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calcis the alternate i386 image the easiest way to install gutsy at the moment, looks like the other images are oversized01:04
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calci bought my laptop today, ended up getting a Toshiba A205-4577 Core 2 Duo 1.73/533, 1GB RAM, 160GB HD, Intel 950 Video, etc01:06
calcwas only $750 USD, not too bad01:06
calci'll probably upgrade it to 2 or 4GB ram01:06
calchmm $70 for 2GB vs $248 for 4GB, i'll probably stick to 2gb, lol01:09
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape!
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape!
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Hobbseemorning pitti!07:40
pittiGood morning07:40
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thullyI'm interested in getting involved in the testing/development of Gutsy, but I only have one system.  What setup do the developers recommend for testing in this case?07:49
pittithully: then you should definitively run gutsy07:49
jsgotangcoyay07:49
pittithully: it's relatively tame right now07:50
thullyOK07:50
thullyI just see all the warnings on the website and fear major breakage of the "can't start X" or "can't use networking" variety...07:51
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thullyWhat about virtualization?  Is that recommended or not as a test environment...07:57
Hobbseethully: doesnt pick up hardware bugs, often.  but it can be used07:57
Hobbseemmm...x breakage...07:58
thullyI actually have a MacBook, so I'm either thinking of doing either Gutsy in Parallels/VMware or a dual-boot w/OS X (need some kind of backup OS if running Gutsy as primary)08:01
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Hobbseedual boot works fine.  or tripple...08:02
thullyI don't really want Windows - that's why I went Mac after I got frustrated w/ Ubuntu a long time ago...08:04
Hobbseei was thinking of dual booting with feisty - not windows08:04
thullyI see... I do have limited HD space, though...08:05
Hobbseehow much?08:06
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Hobbseeit's only going to take <10gb per release08:06
Hobbseein fact, i think it's <5, iirc08:06
Hobbseehi Fujitsu 08:06
thullyOnly a 60GB drive... 08:07
racarrThe worst breakage in gutsy for me is a new debug message in glib in regards to not calling g_thread_init before everything else glib08:07
racarrso now everytime I go through a build process that uses gconftool I get spammed.08:07
racarr:P08:07
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.08:08
thullydoes anyone know what group is dealing w/Mac Intel support for the release?  I know there are a few issues in Feisty I'd like to see fixed by gutsy final08:09
Hobbseeanyone who's interested in it, i suspect08:10
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jsgotangcoi use a macbook but only use it for stable releases so its osx+parallels08:10
thullyso, you're running in parallels?08:11
jsgotangcoon the macbook yeah, im currently using an x86 laptop08:11
jsgotangcoerr toshiba rather08:11
dokopitti: internal libwpd is temporary, fix is already submitted.08:11
FujitsuIs the new g-p-m doing crazy stuff for anybody else? It estimates that i have 10 minutes of battery life remaining all the time, and tells me that my battery is 'invalid' every time I log in.08:12
pittidoko: ah, cool08:12
jsgotangcoFujitsu: gutsy?08:12
Fujitsujsgotangco: Right.08:12
RAOFFujitsu: I might go and do a dist-upgrade with my coffee (via the "uniwide" wireless, which should really be named "unispotty"), I'll check if I see that.08:13
FujitsuRAOF: Heh. UNSW is huge; you can't expect them to have good coverage.08:14
jsgotangcoillknow in a minute (currently updating)08:14
RAOFFujitsu: Then they shouldn't call it "UniWide" :P.08:14
FujitsuRAOF: True.08:15
StevenKThey could call it UniWide, but only if they sprang for enough APs.08:15
thullyI thought of that (Parallels), as there are still quite a few annoying hardware issues running native on the MacBook (the trackpad+wireless signal probably the biggest issues)08:15
RAOFOr maybe the maths department would let me actually connect the laptop to the network.  But that'd be asking too much, obviously :(08:15
StevenKRAOF: But then it might do something evil, like send packets!08:16
RAOFGrr.08:16
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StevenKAt least your uni doesn't block outgoing port 22.08:17
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StevenKYou can't laugh, you aren't even at uni.08:18
FujitsuMrh.08:18
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pittidoko: latest OO.o introduced some build deps, like portaudio; not good...08:33
pittidoko: portaudio needs jack, jack needs type-handling and freebob, and we don't really want all of those08:34
dokopitti: ok, building with the internal copy again08:36
pittidoko: thanks08:36
pittidoko: stlport4.6 build dep also seems to be new; could it also work with stlport5.1, which is in main?08:38
dokopitti: not in feisty (crash after viewing a slide show in full screen mode)08:42
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pittidoko: ok; in this case, promoting 4.6 to main might be better, WDYT?08:43
tepsipakkipitti: the xorg-docs dependancy will be changed to Recommends in Debian08:45
tepsipakkinot that it helps us08:45
dokopitti: let me check this first, I'll need a new upload anyway08:45
pittitepsipakki: ah, good08:45
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pittihi thekorn 08:46
tepsipakkipitti: can Recommends packages be from universe?08:46
pittitepsipakki: no, they shouldn't08:46
pittitepsipakki: it just means that the -docs package really doesn't ship paths, files, etc. which xorg needs08:46
thekornhi pitti 08:47
tepsipakkipitti: ok, so either we keep the delta or include xorg-docs in main?08:47
pittitepsipakki: having it in main is ok, but I'd really like to keep it off the CDs08:48
pittitepsipakki: and the set of Recommends: packages should be closed in a seed08:48
tepsipakkipitti: ah, ok08:48
tepsipakkiso delta it is :)08:48
pittii. e. all packages that are recommended: in desktop etc. should be in desktop08:48
pittitepsipakki: it's most likely not the only delta in xorg anyway, I figure? :)08:48
tepsipakkino, that can probably never be synced :)08:49
Nafallotepsipakki: and you smile? ;-)08:49
tepsipakkialthough most of the changes should be merged in git.d.o eventually08:49
tepsipakkiNafallo: always!08:49
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tepsipakkiNafallo: btw, it was about xorg the metapackage :) Rest should be more or less syncable08:50
Nafallohehe08:50
Nafallonice08:50
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy main frozen for Tribe-1
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ajmitchhi Hobbsee 09:22
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Hobbsee:09:23
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glatzormorning Riddell, could you please point me to your packaging repository for guidance? I would like to fix a patch and include another one.09:30
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dokopitti: OOo apparently needs your approval09:38
pittidoko: ooh, stlport5.1 works? nice09:40
dokopitti: I didn't test, but according to the changelogs this might be fixed09:41
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mvoRiddell: guidance-backends currently depends on python-kde3. I think that dependency is not required, AFAICS there is no gui-code in that package09:49
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glatzorhello mvo!09:50
mvohey glatzor09:50
pitticjwatson: do we have a bug about the broken gfxboot? I'd like to milestone it for tribe-209:55
tepsipakkipitti: its broken?09:56
pittitepsipakki: yes, the new syslinux doesn't get along with the current gfxboot09:56
tepsipakkigrrr09:56
pittiso now we have the old syslinux screens again09:56
tepsipakkiI tested it09:56
pitti(just parroting, cjwatson did the workaround yesterday)09:56
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cjwatsontepsipakki: yes, I told you about it the other day10:08
cjwatsonit doesn't work at all, even in the test suite for me10:08
cjwatsonare you sure you were using the new isolinux.bin?10:09
cjwatsonpitti: no, no bug10:09
pitticjwatson: ok, I'll create one10:09
cjwatsonpitti: ubiquity upload coming now to fix a few bits of critical breakage, and one tweak to stop mounted volumes being visible on the desktop10:09
pittioh, I just had ubiquity crash on me when pressing the 'advanced' button in the summary10:10
pittiI didn't report it yet10:10
cjwatsonthat would be one of the bits of critical breakage :)10:10
cjwatsonEvan fixed that, I believe; the fix looks plausible for that anyway10:10
pittiyay :)10:10
cjwatsonif it was a crash mentioning get_summary_device10:10
cjwatsonbtw, is it just me, or are fonts a little bit bigger in gutsy all of a sudden?10:11
pitticjwatson: you mean smaller?10:12
pitticjwatson: for many people they are too small, and I was just going to follow seb128's advice and bump the default font size10:12
MithrandirI think they might be back to normal size again, yes.10:12
cjwatsonthey're noticeably bigger for me10:12
pittion the live system they are too small10:12
cjwatsonoh, yes, I've noticed that on different hardware too10:12
pittion my desktop I fixed them manually a while ago10:12
cjwatsonI assumed font selection had gone a bit nuts10:13
cjwatsonpowerpc laptop upgraded from feisty => bigger, amd64 desktop running live CD => smaller10:13
tepsipakkicjwatson: ok, I missed that then.. pretty sure I did try the new .bin :(10:14
tepsipakkicjwatson: where were the tools again, I'll look at it asap10:14
cjwatsonhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/gfxboot-test.tar.gz10:17
cjwatsontepsipakki: I was wondering if the new hooks in syslinux needed a new gfxboot package, and was looking at merging that from kanotix10:18
cjwatsontepsipakki: it can wait until after tribe-1, imo - I can just tell cdimage to use the isolinux.bin from feisty10:18
pittitepsipakki, cjwatson: can I assign bug 118744 to either of you?10:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118744 in gfxboot "no gfxboot in gutsy with new syslinux" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11874410:18
cjwatsonsure10:19
tepsipakkiI'll subscribe myself too10:21
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pittitepsipakki: I sub'ed you already10:24
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tepsipakkipitti: right, I wondered why it asked me if I wanted to unsubscribe from it :)10:25
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pitticjwatson: according to seb128, gnome-settings-daemon uses the screen DPI now for the font points->pixels calculation; no idea what it used before, but this explains the hardware dependency10:29
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cjwatsonpitti: gnome-settings-daemon seemed to crash on the live CD, which might explain something too10:37
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pittihm, not for me10:37
glatzormvo: whoa. locations support is nearly complete10:38
mvoglatzor: ROCK!10:38
glatzormvo: perhaps not nearly ... But I started coding :)10:39
glatzormvo: the guidance backend is really nice10:39
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dholbachhiya10:40
mvohey dholbach!10:40
dholbachhey mvo10:41
glatzormvo: is pickle overkill for storing the locations?10:41
pittidholbach: any idea why the logout dialog needs 30 seconds to appear?10:41
dholbachno idea10:41
glatzormorning dholbach10:42
dholbachhi glatzor10:42
Fujitsupitti: It's quietly telling you to use the CLI instead.10:42
dholbachpitti: I'll try if downgrading gnome-session / gnome-power-manager makes it work and go from there10:42
dholbachFujitsu: great solution! :-)10:42
mvoglatzor: no, that is probably fine. but its not human readable :)10:42
cjwatsonpitti: CD builds from now on will use feisty's syslinux to work around this10:42
pitticjwatson: ah, and enable gfxboot again? cool10:43
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pittidholbach: also, I lean towards applying the gconf workaround proposed by seb for bug 11874510:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118745 in libgnome "default desktop/panel menu font sizes too small" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11874510:47
pittidholbach: it seems to help for many people10:47
pittidholbach: WDYT?10:47
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dholbachpitti: yeah, I'm happy with that10:48
pittidholbach: ok; I just tested the change on the live CD; I can care for that if you can work on the logout dialog?10:49
dholbachpitti: I'm looking into it now10:49
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cjwatsonpitti: eternal spinning sounds like:10:51
cjwatson  * Make sure the summary question regex gets split properly.10:51
cjwatson(at a guess)10:51
cjwatsonpitti: right, should enable gfxboot again as a result10:52
pitticjwatson: the exception seemed to match that10:52
dholbachpitti: downgrading gnome-power-manager helps - what I think happens is: gnome-power-manager is asked which capabilities are available (suspend, hibernate) do display on the gnome-session dialog - something goes wrong, 30 seconds timeout10:57
dholbachpitti: I see what I can do10:57
dholbachogra: ^ (you did the update - can you help with that?)10:57
pittidholbach: is there a bug for it already? this should get one, with a milestone10:58
dholbachpitti: right-o10:58
dholbachpitti: I'll take a look10:58
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jsgotangcohey sabdfl11:14
pitticool, so this alternate install went fine11:15
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dholbachpitti: gnome-power-manager changed the dbus path and stuff like that, but I'm still missing something in the fix - I'll let you know how I progress on that11:20
pittidholbach: danke11:21
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dholbachpitti: ok to upload http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/gnome-session.debdiff ?11:25
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dholbachogra: I fixed it11:26
tepsipakkicjwatson: did you merge gfxboot already? I can do it now11:27
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asacpitti: doko is openoffice hunspell fixed? I saw new bugmail and just wanted to be sure for tribe-111:31
cjwatsontepsipakki: no - I'd like to do it myself, if you don't mind, as I want to be very careful about necessary theme changes at the same time11:32
pittiasac: thanks, I milestoned it for tribe-111:32
tepsipakkicjwatson: sure, np11:32
cjwatsonI'm part-way through it11:32
cjwatsonthanks for the offer11:32
pittidholbach: ah, splendid. No bug# in the changelog? Well, if there isn't one, that's fine11:33
pittidholbach: please upload11:33
tepsipakkicjwatson: ping me when it's ready ;)11:33
dholbachpitti: done11:34
pittidholbach: so, that libgnome font size gconf change doesn't fix everything, but it's much better now; I'll keep the bug open, though11:35
dholbachpitti: thanks a lot11:35
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ogradholbach, oops, sorry, i didnt notice that before 11:58
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dokoasac: if the OOo build succeeds11:59
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asacdoko: ah ok ... maybe it should be "fix committed" then, so RMs see this bug as being open for tribe-1?12:02
pittiasac: it is already 12:03
asacyes for libhunspell12:03
asacah ic ;)12:04
pittiwell, libhunspell is still 'confirmed'12:04
pittidoko: is this actually a libhunspell bug? or can this task just be closed?12:04
asaci think libhunspell can be closed as we will not deal with that12:04
pittithat's what I got from the bug trail as well, but better asking :)12:05
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pittiHobbsee: oh, kaffeine in new; kaffeine-gstreamer? yay :)12:08
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dholbachpitti: if I have less important uploads does it make you happier if I keep them in ~/upload or if I upload and they are queued?12:35
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pittidholbach: feel free to upload them, I can ignore them12:36
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dholbachso there's nothing I can do to make you happier? :-)12:36
pittidholbach: a neck massage!12:36
dholbachright :-)12:36
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StevenKStrange sort of neck message, that.12:36
pittidholbach: anything amongst those uploads which unintrusively fixes some nasty wart?12:36
dholbachjust regular updates12:37
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Hobbseepitti: hmm?12:38
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pitti         | N kaffeine-gstreamer/0.8.4-0ubuntu1/ia64 Component: main Section: kde Priority: OPTIONAL12:39
pittiHobbsee: ^12:39
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Riddellpitti: are you going to approve that?12:41
pittiRiddell: not before the sparc buildd built it, and then it's your call, I think12:42
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pittiRiddell: Hobbsee said that this kaffeine version fixed an important bug in the konq plugin12:42
ograoh, all my isos seem to behave, wow ... i never started a release cycle without overzized images12:44
pittiogra: I was quite surprised as well12:47
StevenKpitti: Quick, promote a bunch of stuff. :-P12:47
bhaleogra: :D12:48
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ograpitti, must be you ... i dont even have any uninstallable packages ...12:50
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pittiogra: I spent some time to get gutsy_probs.html close to zero12:51
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dholbachogra: mail moderated12:57
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Hobbseeif anyone feels like starting up a decent ISP in australia, please feel free!01:08
StevenKHeh01:08
Mithrandir"you can run IP over those rusted barbed wires, can't you?"01:09
Mithrandirs/rusted/rusty/01:09
Hobbseehaha01:09
StevenKMithrandir: That's far too advanced.01:09
FujitsuHeh.01:09
HobbseeMithrandir: and carrier pigeons, yes.01:09
FujitsuYay, RFC114901:10
StevenKMithrandir: I swear Telstra have SmokeSignals interfaces on their core routers.01:10
MithrandirStevenK: BlueSmokeSignals?01:10
Hobbseepitti: i relayed what tonio_ had said about it.  but kaffeine tends to bring more fixes than it does bugs for their releases01:10
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StevenKStill far too advanced. :-P01:10
FujitsuOur international bandwidth is really great at times.01:11
pittiHobbsee: so if you want to test it right now, I can skip the sparc debs and NEW them later, and NEW the other 4 arches right now01:11
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Hobbseepitti: that'd be cool.01:12
Hobbseei'm not sure that it's not violating policy, but that'd be cool01:12
MithrandirCisco has some special modules for the 6509s delivered in .au.  One has a pigeon feeder and such.  Another one has the cowboy interface where you plug in the rusty barbed wire and hang your cowboy boots.01:12
pittiargh, that's the 10th thime I asked firefox not to download a 'bin' file from Launchpad01:12
Hobbseehehe01:12
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StevenKI've noticed that once or twice, but I can't reproduce it reliabily.01:13
pittiHobbsee: ohe buildd is busy with OOo, the other with glibc01:13
Hobbseepitti: ouch01:13
pittiHobbsee: I bumped the prio, so Kaffeine should come next, but it won't be there before next cron.daily01:13
MithrandirStevenK: it's one of the app servers just returning a zero-byte file, gzipped, which confuses firefox.01:13
Hobbseepitti: fair enough01:14
pittiHobbsee, Riddell: but you are aware that once I NEW this, it'll be very hard to roll back in case it breaks something?01:14
pittiHobbsee, Riddell: have you tested 0.8.4 locally before?01:14
Ng(that 0 byte gzip bug is filed as bug 89194, fwiw)01:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 89194 in launchpad "LP (regular and beta) sending gzipped binary files" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8919401:14
Hobbseetonio_ has, but hasnt had internet connection to upload it.  so no, i havent.01:15
pittiNg: ah01:15
MithrandirHobbsee: you can grab it from the published NEW queue if you just want to test it01:15
pittiMithrandir: hmm, shouldn't there be sth. like http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/ ?01:15
pittiMithrandir: there's just 'unapproved'01:15
Mithrandirpitti: there should be, yes.01:16
cjwatsonpitti: if you don't mind, I'd like to upload d-i to pick up last night's console-setup fix; makes the selected console setup actually apply01:16
pitticjwatson: buildds are hogged ATM, but sure01:16
cjwatsonI also have this in my tree:01:16
cjwatson  * Remove fs-core-modules workaround, as the kernel has now been fixed.01:16
cjwatsonwhich is a workaround from like feisty herd 2 or something :)01:16
Mithrandirpitti: you know you can adjust priorities of builds now?01:17
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pitticjwatson: I'm not aware of that, what does it affect?01:17
pittiMithrandir: yes; <pitti> Hobbsee: I bumped the prio, so Kaffeine should come next01:17
pittiMithrandir: but we actually need that OO.o for tribe :)01:18
HobbseeMithrandir: sorry, but where would hte published NEW queue for kaffeine be?01:18
cjwatsonpitti: now, it should just remove bloat from the cdrom initrd01:18
HobbseeMithrandir: are you meaning sources, or binary?01:18
cjwatsonpitti: originally fs-core-modules was shoved in to work around isofs.ko being in the wrong udeb01:18
MithrandirHobbsee: not or, and.01:19
cjwatson-# This is wrong and a workaround for isofs not being in the correct udeb in the01:19
cjwatson-# kernel.  To be removed post-herd-201:19
cjwatson-fs-core-modules-${kernel:Version}01:19
HobbseeMithrandir: i dont understand.01:19
pitticjwatson: ah, sounds good then; i. e. it would instantly break everything if that would fail again, which would make us notice it pretty soon, right?01:19
cjwatsonyes01:19
cjwatsonit's a slight risk, but I think it's probably ok at this point01:20
pitticjwatson: sounds fine01:20
pittiI agree, better than doing it later01:20
HobbseeMithrandir: right, got you now, but where can i get them?01:20
Mithrandirpitti: it was just a permission problem on rookery; fixed now01:20
pitticjwatson: current alternate installs fine for me, btw, that looks pretty good01:20
MithrandirHobbsee: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/01:21
cjwatsonexcellent01:21
cjwatsonpitti: uploaded01:21
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HobbseeMithrandir: ah right.  the one i didnt find before due to the 403.  thanks.01:22
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pittiHobbsee: no Kaffeine there, though01:23
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ogradholbach, thanks01:23
pittiHobbsee: FWIW, http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/kaffeine/01:24
pittiHobbsee: I'll wait for your "yay" or "nay"01:24
Mithrandirpitti: given that the queue is less insane again, I've made it publish hourly now01:27
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backbluehi, i'm trying to make libwww-mechanize-perl-1.30, i'm using pbuild, but i get always this error, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24204/ , anyone knows why?01:29
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Hobbsee_ooh!01:38
Hobbsee_OOH!  OOH!  A CONNECTION!!!01:38
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henopitti: I've posted test cases for today's images: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Ubuntu01:39
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Mithrandircan't let you die now that we've finally gotten a community person to help with RM-ing. ;-)01:39
Hobbseeheh01:39
Hobbseeif only my connection holds...01:39
pittiheno: ah, great; however, these images are still quite buggy01:39
HobbseeNEAT!!!01:40
henopitti: as they should be at this point :)01:40
Hobbsee~85% packet loss01:40
ograhey, that means 15% get through, isnt that great :)01:41
LongPointyStick97% now.  impressive01:42
HobbseeMithrandir: it was hardly advertised that one was wanted, though :P01:44
MithrandirHobbsee: I think we have realised that now.. shame we didn't see it earlier01:44
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dholbachhum... am I the only one who has trouble connecting to wiki.u.c?01:59
Keybukthe Internet appears to have snapped01:59
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ograyeah, some neuralgic point must have dies01:59
ogra*died01:59
agoliveiraHello all.01:59
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agoliveiraI also can't connect to Canonical's email server, etc01:59
dholbachsame for revu.tauware.de01:59
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ograwell, my rsync from cdimage still runs fine01:59
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glatzormvo: are we already frozen?01:59
mvoglatzor: yes01:59
glatzormvo: :/01:59
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pittiglatzor: see topic01:59
glatzormvo: no locations and no video ram selection support 01:59
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dholbachworks again02:02
dholbachit seems02:02
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LongPointyStick!ping02:08
ubotupong02:08
LongPointyStick!ping02:08
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Hobbsee!ping02:08
ubotupong02:08
Hobbseethis connection is a bitch tonight.02:09
xxxxx1heh02:09
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Hobbseeis this just au going down, or what?02:11
persiaHobbsee: I think it's a little more widespread.  I've had some trouble with transpacific lines in general in the past while.02:12
Hobbseeright02:12
Hobbseei'm getting up to 98% packet loss02:12
persiaHobbsee: Not that bad here.02:12
Hobbseeat least i'm ircing via ssh now02:12
Hobbseeso it wont obviously drop, and spam you guys02:12
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ograargh, where did libgl1-mesa-dri go ? ltsp is broken :/02:16
pittiHobbsee: shall I send you the kaffeine debs with a pidgeon?02:16
Hobbseepitti: i got them.  there's a file overwritten in there02:17
Hobbseeit doesnt obviously die, but i havent had much of a chance to test02:17
Hobbseei've been attempting to stickytape the connection02:17
pittiogra: libgl1-mesa-dri | 6.5.3-1ubuntu1 |         gutsy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc02:17
ograhmm02:17
dholbachheno: looks like colorblind will become more interesting now - if we had it in mind, the new gnome-mag would provide us with an applet to apply colorblind filters02:17
ograwas it a dependency of something in X before ? 02:18
ograPaket libgl1-mesa-dri ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen02:18
ograPaket referenziert. ....02:18
ograDoch die folgenden Pakete ersetzen es:02:18
ogra  libgl1-mesa-glx02:18
ograE: Paket libgl1-mesa-dri hat keinen Installationskandidaten02:18
ogra(sorry for the german)02:18
henodholbach: yes, we are also doing a SoC project on it with compiz though02:18
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dholbachheno: seems we need a MIR for it02:19
ograhmm, libgl1-mesa-glx is there02:19
henowe might still ship gnome-mag in as the default for gutsy, but the compiz one will be a better technology in the long run02:19
henodholbach: for libcolourblind?02:20
dholbachheno: yes02:20
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dholbachheno: it's a small library that should be harmless - else we can't build gnome-mag against it02:21
ograuh, ah, i got both in the ltsp-client package selection ... 02:21
henodholbach: ok, let's do it than, shall I?02:21
dholbachheno: that'd be nice - I'm happy to update the packaging once it's in main02:22
henook, cool02:22
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ograpitti, i sadly have two other commits in my ltsp bzr branch i havent uploaded yet, but they are non intrusive, mind if i upload to unbreak edubuntu ?02:29
ograpitti, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24215/02:29
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pittiogra: looks good; this is your playground anyway :) please upload02:30
ograok02:30
ograah, crap02:31
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ograindeed that shouldnt be 5.0.9ubuntu1 but 5.0.1002:31
ogragrmbl02:31
pittiyay dch :)02:31
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Keybukogra: dch -iU ?02:35
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cjwatson(or just dch -U)02:37
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racarrWhen is a good time to find seb128? Or would someone else be willing to look at two debdiffs for nautilus and libeel2-2.02:41
Mithrandirwhen he's not on vacation; he'll be back next week, but you could poke dholbach about them.02:43
racarrAh, thanks.02:44
dholbachracarr: I can do that - do they apply against 2.19.2 or 2.19.3?02:45
racarrMrgh, 2.19.2, when did 2.19.3 appear?02:45
dholbach10 hours ago :)02:46
dholbachbut it's not uploaded yet02:46
dholbachthe patches might still just apply02:47
dholbachmain is frozen at the moment anyway, so it's not that bad02:47
dholbachdid you submit the changes to the upstream bug tracker or are they ubuntu centric?02:47
racarrWas going to submit to the upstream bug tracker in near future.02:47
dholbachalrighty02:48
dholbachthat's what we generally prefer, because they know the code much better than we do02:48
dholbachbut I'm happy to look at them - if you can mail me links to them that'd be nice02:48
dholbachor mail to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com02:48
racarrAnyway, the idea is to check to a hint to let Compiz draw the wallpaper, and if so draw the wallpaper transparent. http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/nautilus.debdiff  http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/libeel.debdiff are the debdiffs02:48
dholbachI'll moderate them through the queue if necessary02:48
racarrMail, ok.02:49
dholbachI'm sorry, but I don't think we can accept the eel patch just like that :-/02:49
dholbachit adds API02:49
dholbachI'd really really really prefer to have it in upstream02:49
dholbachit's the same as with the wnck patches02:50
dholbachit's really hard to maintain API over upstream02:50
racarrOk. I'll poke upstream. I'm not sure if they would be interested given that it's only relevant to Compiz *shrug*02:50
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dholbachit'd be really nice to have it02:50
dholbachlet me know once you filed them and I'll subscribe to them and make sure to poke them every now and then02:51
dholbachracarr: thanks for your work on that and sorry for saying 'no' for now02:51
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racarrNo problem at all, thanks for briefly looking. I'll mail you the bug tracker link.02:54
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dholbachgracias!02:55
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StevenKI wonder if compiz can control mouse redraw. Like, have the desktop background stick to the mouse cursor and make it harder to move around the edges, but if a window is over the background, it's fine.02:56
racarrI don't understand your example02:57
racarrbut we want to be rendering the cursor at some point.02:57
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racarrright after beryl-worms.02:58
Hobbseehehe02:58
Hobbseeyep02:58
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racarrdholbach: Ok, done03:07
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ograpitti, ltsp sits in the queue03:08
ograoh, wait03:09
ograi can bother Hobbsee with such stuff now, right ?03:09
Hobbseeogra: hmmm?03:09
Hobbseeogra: no, i dont have archive admin powers.  i'm not employed by you guys...03:09
ograHobbsee, upload queue stuff ?03:09
ograah, only RM then ... ok03:09
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Hobbseeogra: i may be doign RM stuff, but i dont have access to those machines03:10
Mithrandirrelease management, as opposed to release engineering.03:10
Mithrandircarlos: we have a project which uses strings such as "sfil_li_folder_root" as their msgids, would it be possible to get rosetta to display the en_GB as a hint?03:10
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Hobbseesorry, yes.03:11
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MithrandirHobbsee: most people has, but it's useful to tell people about the difference so they know what's useful to ask from you and what you need to poke pitti or other REs for.03:12
Hobbseetrue that.03:12
Hobbseei see the logic perfectly well - it's that my brain hasnt updated yet.03:12
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carlosMithrandir: not yet, but we are finishing some changes that will allow us to support that03:25
carlosMithrandir: which project is that?03:25
henodholbach: MIR is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportColorblind will take care of seeding and such?03:26
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Mithrandircarlos: maemo/hildon03:28
Mithrandircarlos: do you have an ETA on it?03:29
carlosMithrandir: Firefox support is planed for the end of this month03:29
Mithrandirff do the same thing?03:29
Mithrandirthis is normal .po files, it's just that the msgid isn't human-consumable.03:29
carlosMithrandir: do all hildon applications use ids instead of English messages? didn't know that...03:29
Mithrandirat least the core libs seem to do03:30
carlosMithrandir: yeah, although inside the .xpi with  multiple files03:30
carlosMithrandir: ugly :-(03:30
Mithrandiryes, but that won't be fixed for gutsy, so if rosetta can't handle it in the gutsy timeframe, we will have to think of something else.03:30
carlosMithrandir: anyway, there are other projects that use also .po file format and ids instead of English strings as msgid03:31
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carlosMithrandir: that's doable for Gutsy03:31
Mithrandirok, great.03:31
Mithrandircan you give me a guesstimate for when people can start using it?03:31
carlosMithrandir: having Firefox for July, we could get the remaining bits ready around August03:32
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Mithrandirlate-ish, but doable.03:32
carlosMithrandir: although if you start uploading packages in Ubuntu03:32
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carloswe will start showing them automatically03:33
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carlosin Launchpad03:33
Mithrandiroh, cool03:33
Mithrandirthe packages are already hitting the archive, so that bit is going in the right direction.03:33
carlosonce the change is done, they will show English translations by default without needed any new import03:33
Mithrandirgreat. :-)03:34
Hobbseepitti: how hard would it be to get requestsync to accept new-to-ubuntu packages?03:41
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pittiHobbsee: not very, I guess03:50
Hobbseepitti: could you do the python-foo to do it, please :)03:50
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Hobbseewell, not to that degree, to be able to figure it out03:50
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Hobbseeoh steve... :)03:52
HobbseeStevenK: were you offering?03:52
StevenKMaybe.03:52
HobbseeStevenK: okay, please do :)03:53
Hobbseethen pitti can go back to his RM'ing :P03:53
pittiheh, great03:53
FujitsuHobbsee: REing, you mean :P03:53
Hobbseeno, he's RM'ing.03:54
Hobbseehe has access to the DC and such03:54
pittiHobbsee: but it would require some more changes anyway, I guess03:54
pittiHobbsee: we automatically import new stuff from Debian already03:54
Hobbseepitti: such as?03:54
pittiHobbsee: pulling changelogs from a third-party source; I guess that's what you need?03:54
Hobbseepitti: true that - but after teh autosync gets turned off03:54
Hobbseeyeah, i guess.03:54
Hobbseeonly from debian, really, so you could hardcode it03:54
Hobbseeanything else is a corner case, really03:55
geserHobbsee: as I already want to look at requestsync to add an option to subscribe u-u-s, I could also look to get to file sync requests for new packages03:55
Hobbseei dont care who does it - as long as it gets done :)03:56
StevenKMy problem is that if requestsync is called incorrectly, like 'requestsync gutsy foobar', it will assume that gutsy is a new source package for Ubuntu since it doesn't exist in apt-cache madison.03:58
StevenKgeser: That's a one-liner.03:58
StevenKWell, okay, like four lines.03:59
Hobbseeunless you specified that a new package was used with -n or something03:59
StevenKI was just thinking that.03:59
Hobbseemost people wouldnt use the -n if they didnt know what it was04:00
StevenK-s for sponsorship and ubuntu-%s-sponsors is subscribed as opposed to ubuntu-archive, and -n for new source package04:00
Hobbseeand would have likely tried with the normal mode first04:00
Hobbseethat would work.04:00
geserStevenK: I intended to confirm it in such a case and it also needs to find the debian changelog04:00
pittiHobbsee: hm, so why doesn't it actually work right now? 04:01
ograpitti, ... NEW ?04:01
Hobbseepitti: if you request a new package that isnt in ubuntu yet, it tells you that it, rightfully, cant find it in apt-cache madison04:01
Hobbseeeverything else works brilliantly04:01
pittiogra: ?04:01
Hobbseeoh, and the sponsors thing04:02
pittiHobbsee: but specifying the base version manually as 0 should work, no?04:02
ograpitti, ltsp sits in the queue and waits for a distro admin to approve it :)04:02
pittiogra: right, I'm at it, if drescher would finally allow me to login04:02
ograah, k04:02
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ograi just dont want it to be forgotten :)04:03
StevenKpitti: I should have a diff in about 504:04
Hobbseepitti: it doesnt.04:04
Hobbsee  File "/usr/bin/requestsync", line 23, in cur_version_component04:04
Hobbsee    raise Exception('apt-cache madison does not contain %s/%s' % (sourcepkg, release))04:04
HobbseeException: apt-cache madison does not contain foobar/004:04
pittiHobbsee: ah, right, for component04:05
pittiogra: accepted04:07
ograthanks :)04:07
StevenKOkay, I think I'm done.04:07
StevenKHobbsee: Want to test?04:08
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StevenKStupid Mc-stupid-ity stupid PyQT4 upstream!04:09
HobbseeStevenK: sure.  want to email?04:09
Hobbseeanything else might break the spiderweb04:09
StevenKYou could scp it04:09
dholbachheno: it will be enough if gnome-mag will build-depends on it - I'll take care of it, once it has been done04:10
dholbachheno: thanks a lot04:10
HobbseeStevenK: true that.04:10
StevenK  * Set both DESTDIR and INSTALL_ROOT when we run make install since upstream04:11
StevenK    evidently can't decide. 04:11
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wasabiGeeze. Everytime I upgrade kerberos something get's worse.04:17
wasabidebconf question asking me for my realm servers now. blah.04:17
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j1mchello.  i notice no 2007-06-05 images for Xubuntu, but do see 06-05 images for ubuntu and kubuntu.  are the xubuntu ones in the process of being rolled?04:27
Riddellj1mc: try looking at the CD build logs04:30
Riddellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/gutsy/daily-live-20070605.log04:30
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fabbionecjwatson: what was the magic to switch the debconf fronted for alternate installer to pure text?04:31
Riddell/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp//srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp/pool/main/s/syslinux/syslinux_3.11-3ubuntu4_i386.deb: No such file or directory04:31
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Riddellj1mc: something not up to date in your seeds maybe?04:33
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ograj1mc, looks like xubuntu-live is somewhat oudated04:33
ogra*outdated04:33
j1mcRiddell: thanks . . . it looks like there was an error in building, yeah.04:34
ograi assume a simple xubuntu-meta rebuild would fix that04:34
j1mcok.  any idea who i could direct this to?  i am just interested in regards to coordinating iso testing.04:34
ograjani probably04:35
j1mcsounds good.  thanks...04:35
Riddellj1mc: if you update that tell pitti to let it through into the archive, and he or I or tollef etc can set off new CD builds04:37
Riddellpitti: I presume you got CD build powers?04:37
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pittiRiddell: I think I got them today, but no clue yet how to use them04:38
ograpitti, there are readmes on lithium 04:38
pittiI saw them, but no time yet to actually read/exercise them04:38
j1mcthanks again. i will contact jani, and if it's ok, ask him to get in touch with ogra once he's had a chance to do it.04:38
pittiI guess I'll do that tomorrow, when I will start building CDs manually04:38
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wasabi*sigh*, and of course after upgrading I can no longer login.04:44
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carlospitti: hi04:50
pittihey carlos04:50
carlospitti: I wonder whether is a valid use case that you decide to remove a package from PROPOSED pocket instead of move it to UPDATES one04:50
carlosyou == any ubuntu developer04:51
StevenKpitti: Okay, I've hacked requestsync to add support for new source packages, and sponsorship.04:51
pitticarlos: soyuz does not allow us to remove packages from -proposed04:51
pitticarlos: the use case is pretty obvious: if the pacakge is broken, we want to remove it again04:52
carlosremove or update ?04:52
pitticarlos: the other use case was that we wanted to remove the older -proposed if we have a newer one in -updates or -security04:52
pitticarlos: preferably update, of course :)04:52
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pitticarlos: but the second case has become sort of obsolete now04:53
geserStevenK: is there are diff? I'm trying to teach requestsync to also fetch changelogs for packages not in Debian main04:53
carlospitti: ok04:53
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StevenKgeser: There will be, when I've created it.04:54
StevenKgeser: Can you please remind me to create/e-mail you a diff when I re-surface? I need sleep at this point.04:57
gesersure04:57
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pittimvo: does python-apt provide an interface for fetching a source package?05:02
mvopitti: IIRC all the bits are in place, there is "just" no nice function that puts it together. but that is a SMOP05:04
pittimvo: ok, so I'll call apt-get source for now05:05
mvopitti: ok, if you file a whishlist bug and tag it later, I will be happy to look at it 05:06
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pittimvo: bug 11878805:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118788 in python-apt "interface to download source code tree" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11878805:15
pittimvo: thanks05:15
mvopitti: thanks!05:16
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cjwatsonfabbione: err frontend=text I think05:27
fabbionecjwatson: ok thanks.. i will let you know tomorrow :) my hears were bleeding heavly from the Niagara noise.. had to poweroff for my own sake :)05:28
cjwatsonRiddell: oh, d'oh, that syslinux thing is a bug in the gfxboot workaround I installed on lithium; nothing to do with the seeds05:28
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Riddellcjwatson: ok, so how to fix it?05:30
cjwatsonRiddell: should be fixed now, and I've kicked off new xubuntu builds05:30
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pittiRiddell: kde-guidance -> is that important for tribe? 06:07
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Hobbseepitti: file overwrites?  i believe so06:09
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Riddellpitti: yes, if we rebuild the CDs now the existing guidance package has file overlaps so it won't install06:11
pittiHobbsee, Riddell: kde-guidance accepted; wild debdiff, but sane enough06:11
Hobbsee:)06:12
Riddellthanks06:12
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heno=== ISO TESTING === : We are currently testing 20070605 for tribe-1 (but will likely re-spin tomorrow. Please use the lovely new test tracker at https://isotesting.stgraber.org06:23
heno(if you had registered for Feisty testing, you'll need to register again, sorry)06:23
ograor if you dont test todays images make at least sure to pull todays iso to speed up the rsyncing of tomorrows :)06:27
henoindeed, I'm getting them all now06:28
henoogra: is this about what you want tested, or has it changed: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Edubuntu ?06:29
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ograheno, we should list the server addon CDs as well06:30
ograeven tough testing them is only "pop it in the CD tray and check if g-a-i starts06:31
ogra"06:31
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TomaszDpitti, ! pitti, hi. Do you know when a language pack rollup will happen for feisty?06:32
henoogra: ok, added06:34
ograthanks06:34
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mrsn0in gnome when you experience a crash ,where does the bug reporting information go? i dont see it added to bugs.launchpad.net07:32
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RiddellBenC, kylem: has there been an update recently to nvidia linux modules?07:38
BenCnope, not since before feisty release07:38
RiddellBenC: do you know what might have caused this complaint? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24275/07:39
BenCRiddell: sure do07:41
BenCRiddell: They have locally installed nvidia, and it got broken because the last kernel upload changed the ABI07:41
BenCsince they installed it by-hand instead of using our packages, they'll need to re-install so that the kernel modules get rebuilt07:42
RiddellBenC: oh, that could be it.  thanks, I'll poke them in to doing something more sensible07:43
Keybukhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/pretty.ogg07:43
Keybuk^ racarr rocks :p07:44
ogracompressed to death07:49
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pygihey Zdra !07:51
Zdrapygi: hello :)07:51
pygiZdra, how is empathy going? :)07:51
ZdraIt's improving every day :)07:52
pyginice :)07:52
Zdrait rox :D07:52
pygiI'm supposed to release fama 0.0.1 next week, but I have exams07:52
pygidamn it :P07:52
Zdrayeah me too07:53
pygiI can't make any other connection manager (other then gabble) to work properly07:53
pygiwhich sucks :-/07:53
Zdraif you follow the spec everything should just work...07:53
ZdraI get butterfly, gabble and idle to work with empathy07:53
ZdraI didn't tested others07:54
pygibutterfly works fine for you?07:54
pygiI think I got serious problems with it07:54
pygiah, that's what you get when you can't code =)07:54
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Keybukogra: the effect should be evident though, no?07:55
Keybukogra: since it's the desktop background that you're supposed to notice <g>07:55
ograwell, totem runs it at 1024x786 in firefox (which is my browser size) most stuff i see are compression blocks07:56
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Zdrapygi: do you use MC in fama ?07:57
bhaleany chance of requiring english on Planet Ubuntu?07:58
bhaleas a rule of thumb at least07:58
pygiZdra, nop. 07:58
Zdrapygi: you should work with me on empathy :D07:58
ograbhale, well, it looks sweet at least :)07:59
bhaleogra: I agree, but most of us have no hope of reading it07:59
pygiZdra, why? :P07:59
pygiZdra, why would you want someone who can't code, and don't you have contributors already? :)07:59
Zdrabecause it's the only project using MC07:59
ograright, that includes me07:59
Zdraso the only useful project for desktop IM07:59
pygiZdra, haha :)07:59
pygilet's not overreact, shall we :)08:00
pochubhale: Maybe add it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntuEditorialPolicy08:00
pochubhale: btw, I entirely agree with it.08:00
Zdrapygi: Do what you want, I'm just looking for contributors... I'm alone actually :-08:00
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Zdra:(08:00
pygiZdra, and what about answer to first question? :p08:01
Zdraabout butterfly ?08:01
ZdraI fixed a bug in tp-python and now it works08:01
Zdratp-python head should be fixed08:01
pyginice that it works :)08:01
Zdradon't know if it's released yet08:01
pygiI meant "why would you want someone who can't code" :)08:02
pygibut let's move to pm :)08:02
BenCcjwatson, Keybuk: I just uploaded a new linux-ubuntu-modules that fixes the ftbfs on sparc08:04
bhalepochu: edited, could you look?08:04
pochusure08:05
bhalepochu: i dont want to offend anyone, but random languages seem to miss most people08:05
pochubhale: I agree with it. It's annoying.08:05
pochubhale: Also I think posts should be Ubuntu-related (or at least OSS related), but that's another story :)08:06
bhalepochu: well, again.. 'rule of thumb'. I dont think people should be blatantly out in space08:07
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pochubhale: From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu: "[http://blog.example.com/~yourusername/feed?category=ubuntu-only] " :)08:16
pochuBut it looks like most people haven't read that part ;)08:17
pygihaha :-D08:17
etankpochu: i agree with you on the content of the posts to hit the planet.08:19
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cjwatsonBenC: cheers08:21
BenCcjwatson: thanks, btw, added that MIR for kexec-tools as well08:21
BenCadded to queue, but have not done seeds yet08:21
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polopoloHello08:39
polopoloHow to upgrade form feisty to Herd1?08:40
polopoloTribe1 sorry08:40
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BenCbryce: ping08:44
brycehi BenC08:44
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brunoschhi09:46
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shawarmaShouldn't our firefox by default assume that a local html file is encoded in utf-8?10:24
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ajmitchmorning10:42
pittihi ajmitch 10:43
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ajmitchhow are you, pitti?10:43
pittiajmitch: good, thanks!10:44
ajmitchwell, I missed the freeze this time, had no time lately10:45
ajmitchwe need to have samba updated to 3.0.25a10:45
pittiajmitch: erm, for tribe?10:46
ajmitchnot critical, 3.0.25 just had a couple of problems10:46
ajmitchit can wait until afterwards10:46
pittiajmitch: does it affect libsmbclient, or just the server?10:47
ajmitchserver10:47
pittiajmitch: if the latter, then later is the right answer, I think10:47
pittisince people will install it off the net anyway10:47
pittiBenC: l-ubuntu-modules upload looks harmless enough; do we need that for tribe-1?10:49
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pittiogra: still awake?10:56
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LaserJockhi jono 11:02
jonohey11:02
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ajmitchhello jono11:04
jonoheya ajmitch11:05
BenCpitti: yeah, but I thought Colin had processed it11:05
pittiBenC: ok, I'll do it11:05
BenCpitti: thanks!11:07
pittiBenC: so we'll leave sparc broken for tribe-1, I figure11:07
pittiand linux-backports-modules, but that can be updated later, since it's not on the CDs, I figure?11:08
pittigood night everyone11:10
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PriceChildHey... I'm looking for an archive admin?11:48
pygiajmitch, ^^11:49
geserPriceChild: bad timing11:49
etankpygi: if an app is version -0.1pre1 what would the correct name of the deb be when packaging it?11:50
PriceChildgeser, yup :)11:50
ajmitchpygi: what?11:51
pygiI think PriceChild could use your help ^_^11:51
Kmosetank: it's not a final release..11:51
ajmitchI can't help him11:51
pygioh! /me thought you can11:51
ajmitchno, it's not really about REVU11:51
pygioki then n:P11:51
geserPriceChild: try again during european working hours11:51
PriceChildgeser, hehe I will do thanks :) Will idle just incase.11:52
ajmitchpygi: I have no power :)11:52
pygiajmitch, haha =)11:52
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etankKmos: nope11:52
Kmosetank: try to ask at #ubuntu-motu11:53
etankKmos: sure thing11:53
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mikmorghello12:08
mikmorgi think my term is skrewed up.. brb12:09
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