=== sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@adsl-75-57-187-38.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp212-81.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] is the alternate i386 image the easiest way to install gutsy at the moment, looks like the other images are oversized === pochu [n=emilio@51.Red-83-57-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] i bought my laptop today, ended up getting a Toshiba A205-4577 Core 2 Duo 1.73/533, 1GB RAM, 160GB HD, Intel 950 Video, etc [01:06] was only $750 USD, not too bad [01:06] i'll probably upgrade it to 2 or 4GB ram [01:09] hmm $70 for 2GB vs $248 for 4GB, i'll probably stick to 2gb, lol === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by siretart at Sun May 27 17:27:58 2007 === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by siretart at Sun May 27 17:27:58 2007 === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] morning pitti! [07:40] Good morning === thully [n=ubuntu@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] I'm interested in getting involved in the testing/development of Gutsy, but I only have one system. What setup do the developers recommend for testing in this case? [07:49] thully: then you should definitively run gutsy [07:49] yay [07:50] thully: it's relatively tame right now [07:50] OK [07:51] I just see all the warnings on the website and fear major breakage of the "can't start X" or "can't use networking" variety... === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@2-178.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] What about virtualization? Is that recommended or not as a test environment... [07:57] thully: doesnt pick up hardware bugs, often. but it can be used [07:58] mmm...x breakage... [08:01] I actually have a MacBook, so I'm either thinking of doing either Gutsy in Parallels/VMware or a dual-boot w/OS X (need some kind of backup OS if running Gutsy as primary) === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] dual boot works fine. or tripple... [08:04] I don't really want Windows - that's why I went Mac after I got frustrated w/ Ubuntu a long time ago... [08:04] i was thinking of dual booting with feisty - not windows [08:05] I see... I do have limited HD space, though... [08:06] how much? === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] it's only going to take <10gb per release [08:06] in fact, i think it's <5, iirc [08:06] hi Fujitsu [08:07] Only a 60GB drive... [08:07] The worst breakage in gutsy for me is a new debug message in glib in regards to not calling g_thread_init before everything else glib [08:07] so now everytime I go through a build process that uses gconftool I get spammed. [08:07] :P [08:08] Hi Hobbsee. [08:09] does anyone know what group is dealing w/Mac Intel support for the release? I know there are a few issues in Feisty I'd like to see fixed by gutsy final [08:10] anyone who's interested in it, i suspect === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] i use a macbook but only use it for stable releases so its osx+parallels [08:11] so, you're running in parallels? [08:11] on the macbook yeah, im currently using an x86 laptop [08:11] err toshiba rather [08:11] pitti: internal libwpd is temporary, fix is already submitted. [08:12] Is the new g-p-m doing crazy stuff for anybody else? It estimates that i have 10 minutes of battery life remaining all the time, and tells me that my battery is 'invalid' every time I log in. [08:12] doko: ah, cool [08:12] Fujitsu: gutsy? [08:12] jsgotangco: Right. [08:13] Fujitsu: I might go and do a dist-upgrade with my coffee (via the "uniwide" wireless, which should really be named "unispotty"), I'll check if I see that. [08:14] RAOF: Heh. UNSW is huge; you can't expect them to have good coverage. [08:14] illknow in a minute (currently updating) [08:14] Fujitsu: Then they shouldn't call it "UniWide" :P. [08:15] RAOF: True. [08:15] They could call it UniWide, but only if they sprang for enough APs. [08:15] I thought of that (Parallels), as there are still quite a few annoying hardware issues running native on the MacBook (the trackpad+wireless signal probably the biggest issues) [08:15] Or maybe the maths department would let me actually connect the laptop to the network. But that'd be asking too much, obviously :( [08:16] RAOF: But then it might do something evil, like send packets! [08:16] Grr. === RAOF fumes of to Coffee on Campus for coffee & network connection. [08:17] At least your uni doesn't block outgoing port 22. === Fujitsu laughs at StevenK. [08:18] You can't laugh, you aren't even at uni. [08:18] Mrh. === StevenK keeps bending gluck.d.o to his will. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-24-144.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lando [n=lando@adsl-9-29-93.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] doko: latest OO.o introduced some build deps, like portaudio; not good... [08:34] doko: portaudio needs jack, jack needs type-handling and freebob, and we don't really want all of those [08:36] pitti: ok, building with the internal copy again [08:36] doko: thanks [08:38] doko: stlport4.6 build dep also seems to be new; could it also work with stlport5.1, which is in main? [08:42] pitti: not in feisty (crash after viewing a slide show in full screen mode) === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] doko: ok; in this case, promoting 4.6 to main might be better, WDYT? [08:45] pitti: the xorg-docs dependancy will be changed to Recommends in Debian [08:45] not that it helps us [08:45] pitti: let me check this first, I'll need a new upload anyway [08:45] tepsipakki: ah, good === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-2-208.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] hi thekorn [08:46] pitti: can Recommends packages be from universe? [08:46] tepsipakki: no, they shouldn't [08:46] tepsipakki: it just means that the -docs package really doesn't ship paths, files, etc. which xorg needs [08:47] hi pitti [08:47] pitti: ok, so either we keep the delta or include xorg-docs in main? [08:48] tepsipakki: having it in main is ok, but I'd really like to keep it off the CDs [08:48] tepsipakki: and the set of Recommends: packages should be closed in a seed [08:48] pitti: ah, ok [08:48] so delta it is :) [08:48] i. e. all packages that are recommended: in desktop etc. should be in desktop [08:48] tepsipakki: it's most likely not the only delta in xorg anyway, I figure? :) [08:49] no, that can probably never be synced :) [08:49] tepsipakki: and you smile? ;-) [08:49] although most of the changes should be merged in git.d.o eventually [08:49] Nafallo: always! === Nafallo is a quite happy guy aswell :-) === CarlF1 [n=carl@adsl-75-49-219-176.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@80-47-145-133.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] Nafallo: btw, it was about xorg the metapackage :) Rest should be more or less syncable [08:50] hehe [08:50] nice === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nightwish [i=gsn1@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67995.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === matinc [n=ubiq@218.20.2.159] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@121.97.242.119] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman__ [i=gman@nat/sun/x-88b1c142ee1d3b62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy main frozen for Tribe-1 === Hobbsee waves === RAOF waves at Hobbsee [09:22] hi Hobbsee === Fujitsu waves at Hobbsee on the way to TAFE. [09:23] : [09:23] ) === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] morning Riddell, could you please point me to your packaging repository for guidance? I would like to fix a patch and include another one. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick_ [n=Ryan@adsl-76-193-22-155.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman__ is now known as Gman === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] pitti: OOo apparently needs your approval [09:40] doko: ooh, stlport5.1 works? nice [09:41] pitti: I didn't test, but according to the changelogs this might be fixed === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@51.Red-83-57-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] Riddell: guidance-backends currently depends on python-kde3. I think that dependency is not required, AFAICS there is no gui-code in that package === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] hello mvo! [09:50] hey glatzor [09:55] cjwatson: do we have a bug about the broken gfxboot? I'd like to milestone it for tribe-2 [09:56] pitti: its broken? [09:56] tepsipakki: yes, the new syslinux doesn't get along with the current gfxboot [09:56] grrr [09:56] so now we have the old syslinux screens again [09:56] I tested it [09:56] (just parroting, cjwatson did the workaround yesterday) === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-183.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] tepsipakki: yes, I told you about it the other day [10:08] it doesn't work at all, even in the test suite for me [10:09] are you sure you were using the new isolinux.bin? [10:09] pitti: no, no bug [10:09] cjwatson: ok, I'll create one [10:09] pitti: ubiquity upload coming now to fix a few bits of critical breakage, and one tweak to stop mounted volumes being visible on the desktop [10:10] oh, I just had ubiquity crash on me when pressing the 'advanced' button in the summary [10:10] I didn't report it yet [10:10] that would be one of the bits of critical breakage :) [10:10] Evan fixed that, I believe; the fix looks plausible for that anyway [10:10] yay :) [10:10] if it was a crash mentioning get_summary_device [10:11] btw, is it just me, or are fonts a little bit bigger in gutsy all of a sudden? [10:12] cjwatson: you mean smaller? [10:12] cjwatson: for many people they are too small, and I was just going to follow seb128's advice and bump the default font size [10:12] I think they might be back to normal size again, yes. [10:12] they're noticeably bigger for me [10:12] on the live system they are too small [10:12] oh, yes, I've noticed that on different hardware too [10:12] on my desktop I fixed them manually a while ago [10:13] I assumed font selection had gone a bit nuts [10:13] powerpc laptop upgraded from feisty => bigger, amd64 desktop running live CD => smaller [10:14] cjwatson: ok, I missed that then.. pretty sure I did try the new .bin :( [10:14] cjwatson: where were the tools again, I'll look at it asap [10:17] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/gfxboot-test.tar.gz [10:18] tepsipakki: I was wondering if the new hooks in syslinux needed a new gfxboot package, and was looking at merging that from kanotix [10:18] tepsipakki: it can wait until after tribe-1, imo - I can just tell cdimage to use the isolinux.bin from feisty [10:18] tepsipakki, cjwatson: can I assign bug 118744 to either of you? [10:18] Launchpad bug 118744 in gfxboot "no gfxboot in gutsy with new syslinux" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118744 [10:19] sure [10:21] I'll subscribe myself too === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SniperBeamer [n=sniperb@91.89.133.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.124] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] tepsipakki: I sub'ed you already === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] pitti: right, I wondered why it asked me if I wanted to unsubscribe from it :) === syp_ is now known as syp| [10:29] cjwatson: according to seb128, gnome-settings-daemon uses the screen DPI now for the font points->pixels calculation; no idea what it used before, but this explains the hardware dependency === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] pitti: gnome-settings-daemon seemed to crash on the live CD, which might explain something too === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] hm, not for me [10:38] mvo: whoa. locations support is nearly complete [10:38] glatzor: ROCK! [10:39] mvo: perhaps not nearly ... But I started coding :) [10:39] mvo: the guidance backend is really nice === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7799C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] hiya [10:40] hey dholbach! [10:41] hey mvo [10:41] mvo: is pickle overkill for storing the locations? [10:41] dholbach: any idea why the logout dialog needs 30 seconds to appear? [10:41] no idea [10:42] morning dholbach [10:42] hi glatzor [10:42] pitti: It's quietly telling you to use the CLI instead. [10:42] pitti: I'll try if downgrading gnome-session / gnome-power-manager makes it work and go from there [10:42] Fujitsu: great solution! :-) [10:42] glatzor: no, that is probably fine. but its not human readable :) [10:42] pitti: CD builds from now on will use feisty's syslinux to work around this [10:43] cjwatson: ah, and enable gfxboot again? cool === pitti crosses fingers that the current ubiquity upload will fix the eternal spinning on the last step [10:47] dholbach: also, I lean towards applying the gconf workaround proposed by seb for bug 118745 [10:47] Launchpad bug 118745 in libgnome "default desktop/panel menu font sizes too small" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118745 [10:47] dholbach: it seems to help for many people [10:47] dholbach: WDYT? === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] pitti: yeah, I'm happy with that [10:49] dholbach: ok; I just tested the change on the live CD; I can care for that if you can work on the logout dialog? [10:49] pitti: I'm looking into it now === pitti hugs dholbach, thanks [10:51] pitti: eternal spinning sounds like: [10:51] * Make sure the summary question regex gets split properly. [10:51] (at a guess) [10:52] pitti: right, should enable gfxboot again as a result [10:52] cjwatson: the exception seemed to match that [10:57] pitti: downgrading gnome-power-manager helps - what I think happens is: gnome-power-manager is asked which capabilities are available (suspend, hibernate) do display on the gnome-session dialog - something goes wrong, 30 seconds timeout [10:57] pitti: I see what I can do [10:57] ogra: ^ (you did the update - can you help with that?) [10:58] dholbach: is there a bug for it already? this should get one, with a milestone [10:58] pitti: right-o [10:58] pitti: I'll take a look === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono_ [n=jono@88-107-78-128.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] hey sabdfl [11:15] cool, so this alternate install went fine === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-6-221.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] pitti: gnome-power-manager changed the dbus path and stuff like that, but I'm still missing something in the fix - I'll let you know how I progress on that [11:21] dholbach: danke === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] pitti: ok to upload http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/gnome-session.debdiff ? === hellvie [i=MrJ@82.139.47.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] ogra: I fixed it [11:27] cjwatson: did you merge gfxboot already? I can do it now === matinc [n=ubiq@218.20.1.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=Lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] pitti: doko is openoffice hunspell fixed? I saw new bugmail and just wanted to be sure for tribe-1 [11:32] tepsipakki: no - I'd like to do it myself, if you don't mind, as I want to be very careful about necessary theme changes at the same time [11:32] asac: thanks, I milestoned it for tribe-1 [11:32] cjwatson: sure, np [11:32] I'm part-way through it [11:32] thanks for the offer [11:33] dholbach: ah, splendid. No bug# in the changelog? Well, if there isn't one, that's fine [11:33] dholbach: please upload [11:33] cjwatson: ping me when it's ready ;) [11:34] pitti: done [11:35] dholbach: so, that libgnome font size gconf change doesn't fix everything, but it's much better now; I'll keep the bug open, though [11:35] pitti: thanks a lot [11:36] join #kubuntu-devel === pitti hands Lure a slash === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] dholbach, oops, sorry, i didnt notice that before === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] asac: if the OOo build succeeds === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] doko: ah ok ... maybe it should be "fix committed" then, so RMs see this bug as being open for tribe-1? [12:03] asac: it is already [12:03] yes for libhunspell [12:04] ah ic ;) [12:04] well, libhunspell is still 'confirmed' [12:04] doko: is this actually a libhunspell bug? or can this task just be closed? [12:04] i think libhunspell can be closed as we will not deal with that [12:05] that's what I got from the bug trail as well, but better asking :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Hobbsee: oh, kaffeine in new; kaffeine-gstreamer? yay :) === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-165-132.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=Lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] pitti: if I have less important uploads does it make you happier if I keep them in ~/upload or if I upload and they are queued? === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] dholbach: feel free to upload them, I can ignore them === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] so there's nothing I can do to make you happier? :-) [12:36] dholbach: a neck massage! [12:36] right :-) === dholbach hugs pitti === dholbach hugs pitti a lot :) [12:36] Strange sort of neck message, that. [12:36] dholbach: anything amongst those uploads which unintrusively fixes some nasty wart? [12:37] just regular updates === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] pitti: hmm? === mjg59__ [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] | N kaffeine-gstreamer/0.8.4-0ubuntu1/ia64 Component: main Section: kde Priority: OPTIONAL [12:39] Hobbsee: ^ === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.207.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] pitti: are you going to approve that? [12:42] Riddell: not before the sparc buildd built it, and then it's your call, I think === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] Riddell: Hobbsee said that this kaffeine version fixed an important bug in the konq plugin [12:44] oh, all my isos seem to behave, wow ... i never started a release cycle without overzized images [12:47] ogra: I was quite surprised as well [12:47] pitti: Quick, promote a bunch of stuff. :-P [12:48] ogra: :D === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] pitti, must be you ... i dont even have any uninstallable packages ... === ogra rsyncs to see the real thing [12:51] ogra: I spent some time to get gutsy_probs.html close to zero === ogra hugs pitti === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] ogra: mail moderated === deep [n=deep@124.43.224.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee curses her isp. [01:08] if anyone feels like starting up a decent ISP in australia, please feel free! [01:08] Heh [01:09] "you can run IP over those rusted barbed wires, can't you?" [01:09] s/rusted/rusty/ [01:09] haha [01:09] Mithrandir: That's far too advanced. [01:09] Heh. [01:09] Mithrandir: and carrier pigeons, yes. [01:10] Yay, RFC1149 [01:10] Mithrandir: I swear Telstra have SmokeSignals interfaces on their core routers. [01:10] StevenK: BlueSmokeSignals? [01:10] pitti: i relayed what tonio_ had said about it. but kaffeine tends to bring more fixes than it does bugs for their releases === ct2rips [n=ct2rips@p54869d6a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] Still far too advanced. :-P [01:11] Our international bandwidth is really great at times. [01:11] Hobbsee: so if you want to test it right now, I can skip the sparc debs and NEW them later, and NEW the other 4 arches right now === Hobbsee makes another mental note: never do conference calls over VOIP if you dont have to [01:12] pitti: that'd be cool. [01:12] i'm not sure that it's not violating policy, but that'd be cool [01:12] Cisco has some special modules for the 6509s delivered in .au. One has a pigeon feeder and such. Another one has the cowboy interface where you plug in the rusty barbed wire and hang your cowboy boots. [01:12] argh, that's the 10th thime I asked firefox not to download a 'bin' file from Launchpad [01:12] hehe === jml [n=jml@121.44.223.111] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] I've noticed that once or twice, but I can't reproduce it reliabily. [01:13] Hobbsee: ohe buildd is busy with OOo, the other with glibc [01:13] pitti: ouch [01:13] Hobbsee: I bumped the prio, so Kaffeine should come next, but it won't be there before next cron.daily [01:13] StevenK: it's one of the app servers just returning a zero-byte file, gzipped, which confuses firefox. [01:14] pitti: fair enough [01:14] Hobbsee, Riddell: but you are aware that once I NEW this, it'll be very hard to roll back in case it breaks something? [01:14] Hobbsee, Riddell: have you tested 0.8.4 locally before? [01:14] (that 0 byte gzip bug is filed as bug 89194, fwiw) [01:14] Launchpad bug 89194 in launchpad "LP (regular and beta) sending gzipped binary files" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89194 [01:15] tonio_ has, but hasnt had internet connection to upload it. so no, i havent. [01:15] Ng: ah [01:15] Hobbsee: you can grab it from the published NEW queue if you just want to test it [01:15] Mithrandir: hmm, shouldn't there be sth. like http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/ ? [01:15] Mithrandir: there's just 'unapproved' [01:16] pitti: there should be, yes. [01:16] pitti: if you don't mind, I'd like to upload d-i to pick up last night's console-setup fix; makes the selected console setup actually apply [01:16] cjwatson: buildds are hogged ATM, but sure [01:16] I also have this in my tree: [01:16] * Remove fs-core-modules workaround, as the kernel has now been fixed. [01:16] which is a workaround from like feisty herd 2 or something :) [01:17] pitti: you know you can adjust priorities of builds now? === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] cjwatson: I'm not aware of that, what does it affect? [01:17] Mithrandir: yes; Hobbsee: I bumped the prio, so Kaffeine should come next [01:18] Mithrandir: but we actually need that OO.o for tribe :) [01:18] Mithrandir: sorry, but where would hte published NEW queue for kaffeine be? [01:18] pitti: now, it should just remove bloat from the cdrom initrd [01:18] Mithrandir: are you meaning sources, or binary? [01:18] pitti: originally fs-core-modules was shoved in to work around isofs.ko being in the wrong udeb [01:19] Hobbsee: not or, and. [01:19] -# This is wrong and a workaround for isofs not being in the correct udeb in the [01:19] -# kernel. To be removed post-herd-2 [01:19] -fs-core-modules-${kernel:Version} [01:19] Mithrandir: i dont understand. [01:19] cjwatson: ah, sounds good then; i. e. it would instantly break everything if that would fail again, which would make us notice it pretty soon, right? [01:19] yes [01:20] it's a slight risk, but I think it's probably ok at this point [01:20] cjwatson: sounds fine [01:20] I agree, better than doing it later [01:20] Mithrandir: right, got you now, but where can i get them? [01:20] pitti: it was just a permission problem on rookery; fixed now [01:20] cjwatson: current alternate installs fine for me, btw, that looks pretty good [01:21] Hobbsee: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/ [01:21] excellent [01:21] pitti: uploaded === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] Mithrandir: ah right. the one i didnt find before due to the 403. thanks. === hellvie [i=MrJ@82.139.47.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] Hobbsee: no Kaffeine there, though === duese [n=Ident@p5484EF55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] dholbach, thanks [01:24] Hobbsee: FWIW, http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/kaffeine/ [01:24] Hobbsee: I'll wait for your "yay" or "nay" [01:27] pitti: given that the queue is less insane again, I've made it publish hourly now === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-63-165.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === backblue [n=igor@82.102.1.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] hi, i'm trying to make libwww-mechanize-perl-1.30, i'm using pbuild, but i get always this error, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24204/ , anyone knows why? === _cerbero_ [n=jga@pD9E63EB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@121.44.223.111] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj_ [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand_ [n=evand@acm.pct.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] ooh! [01:38] OOH! OOH! A CONNECTION!!! === Hobbsee_ dies of shock [01:39] pitti: I've posted test cases for today's images: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Ubuntu === Mithrandir revives Hobbsee [01:39] can't let you die now that we've finally gotten a community person to help with RM-ing. ;-) [01:39] heh [01:39] if only my connection holds... [01:39] heno: ah, great; however, these images are still quite buggy [01:40] NEAT!!! [01:40] pitti: as they should be at this point :) [01:40] ~85% packet loss [01:41] hey, that means 15% get through, isnt that great :) [01:42] 97% now. impressive [01:44] Mithrandir: it was hardly advertised that one was wanted, though :P [01:44] Hobbsee: I think we have realised that now.. shame we didn't see it earlier === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-17-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pbn [i=pbn@2002:d447:1366:0:0:0:0:22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd_ [n=sjoerd@simons.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.49.202.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] hum... am I the only one who has trouble connecting to wiki.u.c? [01:59] the Internet appears to have snapped === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] yeah, some neuralgic point must have dies [01:59] *died [01:59] Hello all. === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] I also can't connect to Canonical's email server, etc [01:59] same for revu.tauware.de === chninkel [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] well, my rsync from cdimage still runs fine === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] mvo: are we already frozen? [01:59] glatzor: yes [01:59] mvo: :/ === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] glatzor: see topic [01:59] mvo: no locations and no video ram selection support === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tarzeau [i=sengun@krum.ethz.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nxvl [n=nxvl@barovia.aureal.com.pe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gpocentek [n=gauvain@69.60.114.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] works again [02:02] it seems === Zober [n=nsirota@denali.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mcgrof [n=mcgrof@ruslug.rutgers.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyP_ [n=andyp@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust15.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] !ping [02:08] pong [02:08] !ping === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] !ping [02:08] pong [02:09] this connection is a bitch tonight. [02:09] heh === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] is this just au going down, or what? [02:12] Hobbsee: I think it's a little more widespread. I've had some trouble with transpacific lines in general in the past while. [02:12] right [02:12] i'm getting up to 98% packet loss [02:12] Hobbsee: Not that bad here. [02:12] at least i'm ircing via ssh now [02:12] so it wont obviously drop, and spam you guys === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] argh, where did libgl1-mesa-dri go ? ltsp is broken :/ [02:16] Hobbsee: shall I send you the kaffeine debs with a pidgeon? [02:17] pitti: i got them. there's a file overwritten in there [02:17] it doesnt obviously die, but i havent had much of a chance to test [02:17] i've been attempting to stickytape the connection [02:17] ogra: libgl1-mesa-dri | 6.5.3-1ubuntu1 | gutsy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [02:17] hmm [02:17] heno: looks like colorblind will become more interesting now - if we had it in mind, the new gnome-mag would provide us with an applet to apply colorblind filters [02:18] was it a dependency of something in X before ? [02:18] Paket libgl1-mesa-dri ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen [02:18] Paket referenziert. .... [02:18] Doch die folgenden Pakete ersetzen es: [02:18] libgl1-mesa-glx [02:18] E: Paket libgl1-mesa-dri hat keinen Installationskandidaten [02:18] (sorry for the german) [02:18] dholbach: yes, we are also doing a SoC project on it with compiz though === ogra checks the iso [02:19] heno: seems we need a MIR for it [02:19] hmm, libgl1-mesa-glx is there [02:19] we might still ship gnome-mag in as the default for gutsy, but the compiz one will be a better technology in the long run [02:20] dholbach: for libcolourblind? [02:20] heno: yes === heno wonders if it's really main-material [02:21] heno: it's a small library that should be harmless - else we can't build gnome-mag against it [02:21] uh, ah, i got both in the ltsp-client package selection ... [02:21] dholbach: ok, let's do it than, shall I? [02:22] heno: that'd be nice - I'm happy to update the packaging once it's in main [02:22] ok, cool === hggdh [n=hggdh@235.sub-70-216-32.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] pitti, i sadly have two other commits in my ltsp bzr branch i havent uploaded yet, but they are non intrusive, mind if i upload to unbreak edubuntu ? [02:29] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24215/ === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] ogra: looks good; this is your playground anyway :) please upload [02:30] ok [02:31] ah, crap === ogra kicks dch*s auto versioning [02:31] indeed that shouldnt be 5.0.9ubuntu1 but 5.0.10 [02:31] grmbl [02:31] yay dch :) === ogra fixes === pabluk [n=jpablo@200.47.50.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] ogra: dch -iU ? === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] (or just dch -U) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pabluk_ [n=jpablo@200.47.50.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pabluk__ [n=jpablo@200.47.50.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] When is a good time to find seb128? Or would someone else be willing to look at two debdiffs for nautilus and libeel2-2. [02:43] when he's not on vacation; he'll be back next week, but you could poke dholbach about them. [02:44] Ah, thanks. [02:45] racarr: I can do that - do they apply against 2.19.2 or 2.19.3? [02:45] Mrgh, 2.19.2, when did 2.19.3 appear? [02:46] 10 hours ago :) [02:46] but it's not uploaded yet [02:47] the patches might still just apply [02:47] main is frozen at the moment anyway, so it's not that bad [02:47] did you submit the changes to the upstream bug tracker or are they ubuntu centric? [02:47] Was going to submit to the upstream bug tracker in near future. [02:48] alrighty [02:48] that's what we generally prefer, because they know the code much better than we do [02:48] but I'm happy to look at them - if you can mail me links to them that'd be nice [02:48] or mail to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com [02:48] Anyway, the idea is to check to a hint to let Compiz draw the wallpaper, and if so draw the wallpaper transparent. http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/nautilus.debdiff http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/libeel.debdiff are the debdiffs [02:48] I'll moderate them through the queue if necessary [02:49] Mail, ok. [02:49] I'm sorry, but I don't think we can accept the eel patch just like that :-/ [02:49] it adds API [02:49] I'd really really really prefer to have it in upstream [02:50] it's the same as with the wnck patches [02:50] it's really hard to maintain API over upstream [02:50]