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gesersiretart: the problem is that some old uploads got unarchived12:21
siretartgeser: yes, that was a mistake from my side, I said yesterday on irc12:22
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siretartgeser: I accidentally reset all archived information while writing the auto-archive script :(12:22
geseris it safe to archive them again?12:26
siretartyepp12:26
siretartI won't reset them again. it was an accident :(12:26
siretartgood night!12:27
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by persia at Sat May 26 10:02:18 2007
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crimsunok, Forums time!06:52
Hobbseeoh?06:52
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crimsunyep, time for the daily support trawl06:53
Hobbseeurgh06:53
crimsunI just tell myself everything will be ok, and then I jump back into hell.06:54
crimsunthree hours later, I climb out, rinse, and go back to real-life work.06:54
crimsuninterestingly enough, yesterday's trawl has already uncovered two corner cases not fixed in ALSA 1.0.14, but we've got one of them fixed already.06:55
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Nafallo*yawn* morning07:01
Hobbseemorning Nafallo 07:02
Nafallo7:02 and I'm awake..07:02
StevenKpm? :-P07:02
Nafalloam :-P07:02
Nafalloexcept we have 24h here ;-)07:03
NafalloI got stuff to do today so... ;-)07:03
Nafalloand then I will be away again until friday morning ;-)07:04
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Fujitsu`Battery may be invalid' to you too, g-p-m!08:07
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nixternalhaha08:10
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nixternalwb LaserJock 08:11
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Amaranthhow can i make pbuilder use packages i've build/installed locally to satisfy build deps?09:33
Amaranthplease tell me the answer is easier than 'setup a custom repo'09:34
Hobbseepbuilder login --bindmounts /directory/with/debs09:34
man-dibashelier: I will upload tonite when I have access to my gpg key09:35
ajmitchsetting up a custom repository is dead simple though09:35
pygixD09:35
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cbx33hey guys....and nomachine NX experts here?10:06
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cbx33ping imbrandon 10:12
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siretartAmaranth: may I suggest to use sbuild on a specially prepared (read: with your local packages installed) chroot?10:28
siretartcbx33: hardy, since it is non-free10:28
cbx33well there is FreeNX10:29
siretartwhich isn't nomachine NX10:29
cbx33which is in Seveas' repo10:29
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siretartcbx33: you might have more look if you just asked what you want to ask ;)10:29
cbx33ahh i see10:29
cbx33ok10:29
siretarts/look/luck/10:29
Amaranththe server is still non-free10:29
cbx33ok10:29
siretartAmaranth: I thought the client was non-free10:29
Amaranththis is X, the thing on the client computer is the server :)10:30
cbx33i was wondering if multiple people could watch the same NX session10:30
siretartAFAIU, Freenx provides a GPL'ed server, which can be used with the non-free-but-free-as-in-beer client from nomachine10:30
cbx33while one person could control it10:30
Amaranthsiretart: the the non-free bit is the server :)10:31
Amaranthit's a modified xfree8610:31
Amaranthi think that's how it works anyway :)10:31
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siretartAmaranth: they still call the thing which you use to login to the remote server "NX client"10:31
siretartand the last time I looked at it, the installation was still very scary10:32
siretart(2 weeks ago)10:32
cbx33well /me got it up and running very easy with the seveas pacakge10:32
cbx33i was just wondering if anyone knew about multiple viewings of the same session10:33
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dholbachhiya10:40
Hobbseedholbach!!!10:41
dholbachhi Hobbsee10:41
geserHi dholbach10:41
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FujitsuEvening dholbach, Hobbsee, geser.10:42
geserHi Fujitsu10:42
cbx33hey Fujitsu Hobbsee geser dholbach 10:42
Hobbseehi Fujitsu, cbx33 10:43
geserHi cbx3310:43
dholbachhi cbx33, hi Fujitsu10:43
FujitsuHi cbx33,10:43
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RAOFFujitsu: Incidentally, gnome-power-manager thinks that *my* battery is valid :).10:43
FujitsuRAOF: Valid, or invalid?10:43
RAOFFujitsu: Valid.10:43
FujitsuAw. Damn.10:43
RAOFAnd g-p-m is getting really cool.  "5 mins until charged, Provides 2 hrs 10 min battery runtime"10:44
FujitsuI dare not unplug the power, or about 30 seconds later it decides that I need to shut down.10:44
cbx33heheh10:44
RAOF:)10:44
FujitsuProvides 25 minutes battery runtime! Yay! (I know I can get about 1:10 out of it at the moment)10:44
FujitsuIt seems to do some crazy profiling thing.10:44
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FujitsuAnd because I haven't run it down significantly with this new version it thinks the capacity is limited.10:45
RAOFYeah, it's not very accurate for me at the moment either.10:45
FujitsuThe profiling graphs are a little odd.10:45
RAOFI'd expect 3+ hours on a near full charge.  Although I suppose that's less at 100% brightness.10:45
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FujitsuThanks for the notification that my battery is full as I unplug it, g-p-m.10:46
crimsunreally? Mine tells me that I can't suspend-to-*, and it takes 50 seconds for the session logout dialog to appear.10:57
crimsunof course `sudo pmi action suspend` works just dandy, as does "hibernate"...10:57
crimsunbut that's why I love development branches!10:58
Fujitsucrimsun: I don't bother to wait for the logout dialog to appear, and just flip to tty1 to shutdown from there. I didn't know it would eventually appear.10:58
crimsunoh look, that's precisely what's being discussed in -devel10:58
crimsunwhat a coincidence10:58
FujitsuHeh, yes.10:58
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FujitsuArrrgh11:11
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FujitsuI have more than 0% remaining, thanks.11:12
StevenKNah, you just think you do.11:12
FujitsuAh, the graph looks slightly more sane now.11:12
FujitsuRather than dropping from 60% to 20% in about a minute, those points have now vanished and are heading up.11:12
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FujitsuOh great, it's now critically low, and my computer will *power-off* when it becomes completely empty.11:13
FujitsuI've never seen a GNOME application spout so much rubbish in such a short time.11:13
Hobbseethat's a feature11:13
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StevenKHrm. Could it be egging Fujitsu on to install Kubuntu.11:14
FujitsuStevenK: No.11:14
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FujitsuHobbsee: Hahaha.11:14
FujitsuBaaaaah, why is my battery percentage going distinctly up when I'm still unplugged? How do I gain 10% of my power with no input?11:15
StevenKMagic, clearly.11:15
RAOFFujitsu: Lag.  g-p-m now updates itself via the internet.  Get a faster connection :)11:15
StevenKBwahaha11:15
Qball:D11:15
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Fujitsug-p-m is being nasty and retrospectively modifying the Charge History graph.11:47
bashelierman-di: ok thanks :)11:49
pgquiles__I am packaging a library which creates libsnmp++.so.0.0.0. How do I create the symlinks (libsnmp++.so.0 and libsnmp++.so)? Manually? shlibs? something else?11:50
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bashelierpochu: ping12:06
pochubashelier: pong.12:07
bashelierpochu: hey :) I wanted to ask you if I could merge listen, this merge is simple ;)12:08
pochuAny sponsor for Bug #72382? It's an easy fix, so it won't take a lot for review it :)12:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 72382 in mail-notification "Popup not working with KDE 3.5.5" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7238212:08
pochubashelier: There's -4 in Debian?12:09
bashelierpochu: yep, give me a minute and I'll send you the debdiff12:09
pochubashelier: I can't upload it, so need to send it to me ;)12:10
pochuBut I've seen the changes. Please, do it :)12:10
bashelierpochu: np ;)12:11
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bashelierpochu: here it is : http://82.234.91.6/listen_0.5-4ubuntu1.patch, let's report a bug now12:15
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pochuCool12:17
Qballugh...  elcassy is drunk in #ubuntuforums12:18
bashelierpochu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/+bug/11875912:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118759 in listen "Please merge listen (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:20
pochubashelier: thanks!12:21
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bashelierthanks to you ;)12:22
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pochuAnybody with super-upload-powers? :) Bug #72382 and #118759 need you :)12:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 72382 in mail-notification "Popup not working with KDE 3.5.5" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7238212:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118759 in listen "Please merge listen (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11875912:24
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StevenKHrm, make is a really hard parent.12:33
StevenKLive child 0x0064e290 (install-arch) PID 2924 12:33
StevenKReaping losing child 0x0064e290 PID 2924 12:33
StevenKAnd even if you don't lose!12:34
StevenKReaping winning child 0x0064e290 PID 2907 12:34
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sacaterimbrandon: ping?12:41
imbrandonsacater: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.12:41
sacaterah12:41
sacaterimbrandon: ping want to talk to you about server space12:41
dholbachdoes the connection to tiber seem a bit slow to any of you?12:42
bashelierdholbach: it does :/12:45
dholbachok, just didn't know if it was just my problem12:45
bashelierdholbach: do you have a few minuts to sponsor a very simple merge ?12:46
dholbachbashelier: I can look at it, yes12:46
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bashelierdholbach: here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/+bug/118759 :)12:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118759 in listen "Please merge listen (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  12:46
dholbachbashelier: I'm reviewing the patches and packages in my mails now too - so please bear with me :)12:48
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cbx33hey imbrandon you there?12:49
cbx33was messing around with NX today12:50
dholbachbashelier: looks good - doing a test build now12:50
bashelierdholbach: ok thanks :)12:50
FujitsuYay, g-p-m is giving slightly sane time estimates now I've put the battery through a full cycle.12:51
dholbachbashelier: for future uploads: if you close a bug with your upload, add a (LP #<bug number) to debian/changelog - that way they'll automatically be closed12:53
dholbachbashelier: i'll close this one manually12:53
bashelierdholbach: np, I will, thanks12:53
dholbachalright12:54
dholbachbashelier: uploaded12:59
bashelierdholbach: thanks, would you agry to let me try to merge/sync bluez-hcidump now? :)01:02
dholbachsure01:02
bashelierthx01:04
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ryanakcawhen asking for a sync... just create a bug with "Please sync <packagename> from Debian"?01:09
=== Hobbsee would suggest the request sync script
Hobbseebut yes, that works01:11
FujitsuHobbsee: Note that it must be modified for non-MOTU.01:11
HobbseeFujitsu: yes, that's now documented on DeveloperResource01:12
Hobbsees01:12
FujitsuAh, good.01:12
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ryanakcaHobbsee: request sync script?01:13
ryanakcaah01:13
ryanakcaI see01:13
Hobbseeryanakca: yes.  see /usr/bin/requestsync and change where it says to subscribe ubuntu-archive to be ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  it's documented on w.u.c/DeveloperResources01:14
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ryanakcaHobbsee: I've edited for -sponsors, but https://wiki.edubuntu.org/SyncRequestProcess doesn't explain how to use, so, `requestsync aoeui 7.10 Sid` is what I'm guessing, based on 'requestsync <source package> <target release> [basever] '01:27
ryanakcabut, it fails...01:28
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Martinp23dholbach: Should I leave those packages I did with you, or put them on REVU?01:29
geserryanakca: try requestsync aoeui gutsy01:29
StevenKryanakca: You'll also need deb-src lines for gutsy01:30
ryanakcaah, ok01:30
ryanakcathanks :)01:31
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DktrKranzbashelier, has freeradius sync bug #118733 been processed by an archive admin?01:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118733 in freeradius "Please sync freeradius (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11873301:33
DktrKranzif not, you should reopen it in order to be processed01:34
lionelDktrKranz: looks like bashelier closed the bug...01:35
lionel(and it was not processed)01:35
DktrKranzIt seems so01:35
DktrKranzit's not a big issue, though01:36
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lionelDktrKranz: right :)01:37
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LongPointyStickryanakca: use requestsync aoeui gutsy01:41
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dholbachMartinp23: they are fine at your place - as you like it - still reviewing your package and will reply soon01:46
Martinp23dholbach: OK :)01:47
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dholbachMartinp23: replied01:59
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dholbachfernando packaged stuff like crazy01:59
DarkSun88Hi all01:59
dholbachhe's bloody amazing01:59
dholbachMartinp23: maybe we should create DesktopTeam/WIP on the wiki01:59
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dholbachMartinp23: so we don't clash on stuff we're working on01:59
Martinp23dholbach: Indeed - that would be helpful01:59
dholbachMartinp23: I'll do that and link it from /TODO01:59
Martinp23dholbach: OK - /me will work on the packages :)01:59
dholbachMartinp23: thanks a lot for that01:59
jekilhello01:59
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fernandomoin all01:59
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bashelierhey fernando :)02:03
fernandohey bashelier 02:03
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apacheloggermr_pouit: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5245 please revu :)02:06
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ScottK2Good morning all.02:06
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xxxxx1morning people!02:07
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persiaDoes anyone know how long it takes for a Debian upload to get to ftp.debian.org, or another place I can see it before it gets there?02:17
StevenKpersia: dak for Debian runs once a day.02:17
StevenKpersia: And, http://incoming.debian.org/02:17
persiaStevenK: Thanks.  Now to make sure my hijacker is doing a good job :)02:18
StevenKHah02:18
StevenKOh crap.02:19
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persiaGrrr..   Debian maintainers grabbing ITAs should check the Ubuntu patch :(02:20
ScottKpersia: Depending on the maintainer, they may not be interested.  Even from my perspective as an Ubuntu person, those patches are sometimes hard to make sense of.02:24
cbx33StevenK: surely it's good that you know the problem?02:25
ScottKpersia: What's worked for me is direct dialogue with the maintainer or individual bugs on BTS with a patch specific to that problem.02:25
StevenKcbx33: Well, why not?02:26
persiaScottK: In general, that works for me.  This was a package that was orphaned, and I spent two weeks getting it into shape for Debian, and submitted to a Debian sponsor for an ITA, and someone else trumped me as the new maintainer.  I'll submit patches now, but I had a really nice and clean package, without many issues now still in Debian :(02:27
ScottKI see.  Sounds a bit frustrating.02:28
StevenKDebian often is.02:28
StevenK</bitterness>02:28
persiaScottK: Yep.  Just venting here.  I expect we can probably get a merge once I've had some dialog with the new maintainer.02:28
StevenKpersia: File the ITA first! First!02:28
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persiaStevenK: I was encouraged not to by my Debian sponsor until the package had been reviewed.  Next time I'll seek a Debian sponsor I know better (hint, hint).02:29
StevenKYou can't afford my rates.02:29
StevenK:-P02:29
HobbseeStevenK: can be persuaded to uplaod :P02:30
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=== ScottK wonders if persia is kidding given real estate prices in Japan...
persia:)02:30
StevenKpersia: Buy a quad core Pentium D, and I'll upload libc6 if you ask me.02:31
ScottKpersia: If you are interested in Python modules at all, the Debian Python Modules Team is very open to Ubuntu participation and has several DDs that will also sponsor stuff outside the scope of what DPMT covers.02:31
imbrandonlol02:31
StevenKBuy *me* a quad core, that is. :-)02:32
persiaScottK: Nope.  I'm already on the debian games team, and will probably join debian-multimedia once I clear my plate.  This was just one of my wxWindows -> wxWidgets transitions, for which upstream and Debian were dead (and it wasn't a team package), so I thought I'd become a Debian Maintainer.02:33
ScottKOK.  Just a thought.02:33
persiaStevenK: Does Australia still have that surcharge on data processing equipment as needing to be certified by the telephone authority?  Are you allowed to run equipment intended for other countries?02:34
StevenKpersia: Yes, and no.02:35
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persiaStevenK: OK.  Next time I seek an upload, I'll buy you a quad core Pentium D and keep it on my bookshelf until the laws change :)02:36
StevenKWell, it needs to be Austel approved if it connects to the POTS.02:37
StevenKSo, ship it over. :-)02:37
persiaStevenK: Only POTS?  That's an improvement.  I'll keep it in mind.  Thanks.02:38
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FujitsuHas anybody else using LVM noticed that some LVs have vanished from /dev/<VGName> in Gutsy recently?02:45
Fujitsupersia: I had to reread the summary of bug #118772 a few times to confirm I wasn't delusional :P02:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118772 in freqtweak "Please don't merge freqtweak 0.7.0~cvs20070605-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11877202:49
persiaFujitsu: I've contacted the maintainer.  I'm hoping for a sync in a week or so, but didn't want anyone to get excited before it was ready :)02:49
bashelierdoes someone have an i386 ready to test latest Debian zsnes revision ? (new upstream version) I'll ask for sync if it works02:51
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bashelier(I'm have a ready .deb and a rom)02:51
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Hobbseeryanakca: did you get it working?03:40
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Lutinpersia: about the comment you made on inventor: glw is not included in ubuntu. it was provided by the source package 'meta', from which glw has been removed a while back, dunno why04:05
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persiaLutin: Thanks for the note.  I thought it was just similar to GL vs. GLU at first glance.04:06
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Lutinpersia: err. I actually meant mesa . the point is, we end up with unsable packages that we can't fix :/ (I also screwed up by requestiong a sync for xbvl, same thing)04:09
persiaLutin: Perhaps there is a need for a libGLw package?04:10
Lutinpersia: yep, maybe. I haven't been able to find out why it was removed from ubuntu though. looks like it was during the edgy devel sycle04:11
Lutincycle*04:11
bashelierhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inventor/+bug/11860804:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118608 in inventor "Please merge inventor (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Needs info]  04:12
bashelierapt-file didn't give me any resoult about the missing files04:12
bashelierresult*04:12
bashelierperhaps just a missing b-d on libglw-dev, let's try04:14
persiabashelier: Always try apt-cache search foo before build-depending on foo :)04:15
StevenKGLw hasn't existed since Breezy.04:16
bashelierpersia: I'll remember :)04:16
StevenKAnd thanks for asking before taking my merge.04:16
basheliersure, sorry04:17
StevenKIn future, it's polite to do so.04:17
bashelierwill do, don't worry04:17
LutinStevenK: oh, breezy ?04:17
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LutinStevenK: do you know the rationale for its removal ?04:18
StevenKYes. It's a complete PoS.04:18
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LutinStevenK: sorry, what's PoS ?04:19
StevenKI went digging and found out the sordid tale when I did the inventor merge for Dapper, but Dapper was a long time ago.04:19
StevenKLutin: I'll rephrase. The code is utter crap. :-)04:19
LutinStevenK: ahh, I see. thanks :)04:19
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persia(or request a drop)04:24
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leonelhello !04:40
imbrandonStevenK, still awake ?04:41
Hobbseehi imbrandon 04:41
StevenKNope.04:41
imbrandonStevenK, something for you to dream about tonight ... http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/lolcode.jpg04:41
imbrandonHobbsee!04:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: you promised me some scripts, a while ago.04:42
imbrandonHobbsee what ones ?04:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: they havent appeared in my inbox.04:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: konversation nightly scripts, etc04:42
StevenKimbrandon: Twitch.04:42
imbrandoni've been forgetfull/busy lately heh, ahhh ok04:42
imbrandoni'll grab those now-ish04:42
Hobbseegood man.  thankyou04:42
imbrandonStevenK, i knew you would like that04:42
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leonelI need to put  some patches  is it better  to run  dpatch-edit-patch once for every patch  or do  only one time  dpatch-edit-patch ?05:26
bashelierpochu: ping, just to ask you if I could merge monodevelop05:26
pochubashelier: Sure. Just add the new dependency, and ask slomo whether it's ok or not.05:28
bashelierpochu: new dependency has been added in latest Debian revision ;) see Debian #424075, just have to build depend on firefox-dev, depend on firefox for the merge05:31
ubotuDebian bug 424075 in monodevelop "monodevelop: FTBFS: Got a SIGSEGV while executing native code." [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/42407505:31
pochubashelier: That's what I mean :) There are no more changes to merge, so just add the build-dependency ;)05:32
ScottKleonel: I'd do it once per patch so that you can be very clear in debian/changelog what goes with what and why it's there.05:32
bashelierpochu: ok :)05:32
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leonelScottK: that's what I was thinking ..05:35
leonelScottK:  thanks05:35
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LaserJockgpocentek: ping05:38
ScottKNo problem.  It's always important to be clear what's happening and why.  It's even more important for security uploads.05:38
gpocentekLaserJock: pong05:39
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LaserJockgpocentek: see pm05:40
LaserJockdholbach: pingy pingy for you too05:40
dholbachLaserJock: hello05:40
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LaserJockdholbach: how many MC members do I need? all of them?05:40
dholbachLaserJock: it has been up for vote since friday and it'd be nice to hear some views on it - I'm going to reply to the mail today - I've been very busy - so sorry for not replying to it direclty05:42
LaserJockdholbach: well, I ask because there is a TB meeting in 3 hrs05:42
LaserJockdholbach: I think if you can email I'll have all the MC but ajmitch05:42
LaserJockas I think he'll still be asleep05:42
dholbachright05:43
LaserJockI'm trying to figure out if I need to show up at the TB meeting or not ;-)05:43
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LaserJockthe TB might also be interested to know if they need to show up or not05:43
dholbachhobbsee's interview was done separate from the TB meeting05:43
LaserJockheh05:43
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LaserJockdholbach: yes, but I think that was just because of scheduling05:44
dholbachso I'm sure that if you missed the meeting, you'd still get processed quickly enough05:44
Hobbseei dont do 4am meetings.05:44
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LaserJockthe TB meeting today is a decent time for me so if it's possible great05:44
LaserJockif not that's fine05:44
dholbachalright05:44
LaserJockI just wondered05:44
dholbachI can pass on the vote as it is05:44
dholbachif you want to get it processed quickly05:45
Hobbseedholbach: and even that got delayed :P05:46
dholbachright05:46
LaserJockdholbach: well, if they aren't going to take it without ajmitch's vote then I don't see the point05:46
dholbachI can't promise you anything05:46
LaserJockI guess I could ask mdz or something05:46
dholbachI think a majority will be enough, if they're convinced as well05:46
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Hobbseeit'd surprise me if they followed the rule to the letter, instead of the idea of the rule05:47
Hobbseeconsidering timezones and such05:48
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LaserJockdholbach: mdz wants to wait05:51
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dholbachok thanks LaserJock05:59
bashelierpochu: have you also added metacity in the Deps ? It had been removed in revision 0.13.1+dfsg-1 in Debian05:59
slomopochu, bashelier: looks good... pochu, can you already upload ot universe?05:59
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bashelierslomo: here is the debdiff, but I want first to know why the dep metacity has been re-added, because it has been removed in debian and not mentioned in changelog in ubuntu revisions06:02
bashelierslomo: http://paste.stgraber.org/137706:02
slomobashelier: it can be dropped, no idea why anymore but it can ;)06:02
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bashelierslomo: ok, just let me check the build and then I'll attach debdiff the debdiff to the bug :)06:03
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pochuslomo: not yet :)06:08
slomopochu: oh, too bad :)06:09
pochuslomo: oh, and if you have one second, bug #72382 is a one-line fix (add a dependency)06:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 72382 in mail-notification "Popup not working with KDE 3.5.5" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7238206:09
pochuslomo: hehe, but I'll get there sooner or later ;)06:09
slomook, will upload06:09
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mruizhi all06:11
pochuHello mruiz 06:12
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pochuslomo: thanks!06:12
mruizhello pochu 06:12
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mario_dholbach, poke06:16
dholbachpygi: in a phone call06:17
pygioki06:17
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bashelierslomo, pochu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodevelop/+bug/11879506:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118795 in monodevelop "Please merge monodevelop (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  06:24
RainCTHi06:27
RainCTdo "Updated Merges" also require some work?06:27
bashelierRainCT: update merge list you mean ?06:28
RainCTbashelier: the 'Updated Merges' from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html06:28
RainCTdo they need some intervention are is there everything done automatically?06:28
bashelierRainCT: don't know, I'm using DaD :p06:29
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dholbachpygi: back06:31
pygiwas just wondering what happened with packages yesterday06:31
apacheloggereveryone in revu mood please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=539106:31
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bashelierapachelogger: np hold on ;)06:32
apacheloggeraye :)06:32
dholbachpygi: some people took care of them06:32
pochuRainCT, bashelier: DaD and MoM do almost the same. The merge is done automatically if no conflicts are found, but you still need to check everything went fine.06:32
nixternalRainCT: I forgot to tell you, the current Gutsy package for Plucker doesn't build the desktop anymore06:33
pygidholbach, ok then :)06:33
dholbachpygi: thanks06:33
pygifor what? I didn't help ;)06:33
nixternalRainCT: it is my job to Debian to accept my libemhttp package so we can start building the patched kplucker (v1.9) from their dev svn06:34
bashelierpochu: didn't know it was called "updated packages", thanks :)06:34
RainCTnixternal: so do you need the .desktop or not?06:35
nixternalif you have one, you can shoot it my way06:35
nixternalI can guarantee that the 1.9 doesn't have it either06:35
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nixternalI want to get a proper plucker-desktop build before the end of Gutsy06:35
nixternalplucker code isn't the prettiest, and they went ahead and used a non-standard library for this patched version06:36
nixternalwhy they couldn't have just used the curl library instead06:36
pochuapachelogger: check this error in lintian: W: ksshaskpass source: configure-generated-file-in-source debug/config.log06:37
pochuapachelogger: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ksshaskpass-0706051220/lintian06:37
apacheloggerpochu: already asked upstream to fix this06:37
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pochuapachelogger: you can fix it in your package in the meantime :)06:38
apacheloggerpochu: just a clean rule?06:38
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bashelierapachelogger: debian/control: please mention "Homepage" before the url06:38
pochuapachelogger: also in debian/copyright, link to the GFDL the same way you're doing with the GPL (in /usr/share/common-licenses/)06:39
bashelierapachelogger: debian/copyright: missing package license06:39
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apacheloggerme@apoc:/usr/share/common-licenses$ ls06:43
apacheloggerArtistic  BSD  GPL  GPL-2  LGPL  LGPL-2  LGPL-2.106:43
apacheloggerpochu: no gfdl installed by default06:43
geser/usr/share/common-licenses/GFDL -> GFDL-1.2 (on gutsy)06:44
apacheloggeromg06:45
apacheloggerthat's the feisty chroot ^_^06:45
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apacheloggerbashelier: 07:07
apacheloggerpochu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=539207:07
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bluekujaapachelogger, you should remove autogenerated-configure files07:13
bluekujaapachelogger, as reported by lintian07:13
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bluekujaapachelogger, just adding a clean rule07:14
apacheloggerehm07:14
apacheloggerhttp://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=5391&upid2=539207:14
apacheloggerline 28-3007:14
bluekujaapachelogger, why those files are still there?07:15
bluekujaapachelogger, http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ksshaskpass-0706051300/lintian07:15
apacheloggerthe question is: why does lintian still detect them07:16
apacheloggerdpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debug/config.log07:16
bluekuja^^07:16
apacheloggerwell07:16
apacheloggerletz just say lintian is today kinda stupid :P07:16
pochuAnd linda? ;)07:17
bluekuja^^07:17
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bluekujaapachelogger, seems that its not lin* problem07:18
bluekuja;)07:18
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Hobbseehehe07:19
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leonel  find /  -name  leonel -print ..07:26
leonelI'm lost !07:26
leonel:)07:26
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nixternalanyone know which list and when it was noted that we should prune .la files from installing? is this only for libraries or for binaries as well?07:40
xxxxx1nixternal: .la is -dev related07:41
nixternalthat is what I thought, wasn't 100% positive though07:41
xxxxx1should stay in -dev07:43
nixternalwonder where persia is hiding07:46
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polopolohello all, what do must have already done when you want to be a MOTU?08:08
polopolo!moty08:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about moty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:08
polopolo!motu08:08
ubotumotu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU08:08
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geserpolopolo: just start working on MOTU tasks08:10
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nixternalMOTUs: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5393  <- revu me please :)08:10
polopologeser: Does not make scense if I not do everything?08:11
polopoloIs there a list what MOTU's do's?08:11
bashelierpolopolo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO ;)08:11
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polopoloBut must I do all MOTU works, or only a few, like only packaging?08:18
polopoloand merging, sync08:18
pochuDoes anybody's gnome-system-monitor display 0 KB of memory for almost every application?08:22
pochuI'm going to report a bug, but I'd like to ensure it's not me :)08:22
pochuIn Processes tab, Memory field.08:24
bashelierpochu: sorry, not using gnome :}08:25
bashelierpolopolo: just try to do everything you can ;)08:25
xxxxx1pochu: for me is using 4mb08:27
Martinp23pochu: In gutsy, yes :(08:31
Martinp23gnome-system-monitor, gnome-panel, firefox-bin and nautilus are the only ones using memory, apparently :S08:32
geserpolopolo: you don't need to do all, you can specialize if you want08:32
pochuMartinp23: cool, same here.08:32
pochuMartinp23: It wasn't happening at the beginning of Gutsy, so I'll look at the changelog and file a bug report.08:32
pochuThanks for the confirmation :)08:32
Martinp23pochu: No problem :) - well done for spotting it 08:33
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polopolowowoww, is gutsy avalible????08:34
polopoloCan I download it?08:34
Martinp23polopolo: A few days until the fist iso is released, I think08:34
Martinp23I've just done a dist-upgrade08:34
polopoloaha08:34
pochuMartinp23: I don't think so. I've seen that problem for at least a week ;)08:35
polopoloI download it right now08:35
ograthe first tribe CD is planned for thursday08:35
Martinp23pochu: If you set your screensaver to come on after only a minute or so, and use a flash website in FF, does the screensaver come on even through there is mouse activity (for you)?08:35
polopolohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe108:36
ograMartinp23, for sure it does, there is nothing in flash that tells any screensaver to not run08:36
Martinp23aha!08:36
ograoh, wait you said mouse activity ...08:36
ograthats flash being evil ansd hogging the input 08:36
ogra*and08:37
Martinp23yes - I would have expected that to be picked up, even if flash had captured the mouse08:37
Martinp23meh - my fault for using it :P08:37
polopolohow to upgrade from Feosty to Herd1?08:37
ograif you move the mouse out of the browser win while the screensaver is on, does it come back ? 08:38
Martinp23ogra: Yes - I just need to wave the mouse furiously when things start fading08:38
ograMartinp23, rather blame adobe for crappy code :)08:38
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dholbachsee you tomorrow08:39
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blueyedHi masters of the free universe!08:53
lionelhi blueyed08:54
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blueyedCould someone sponsor the upload for bug 88617 (SRU), please? It seems to be ok finally.08:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 88617 in duplicity "incremental backup does not work" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8861708:56
leonelScottK: clamav  has all the patches applied the security bugs are in the 90.X versions  are missing in dapper's clamav  and I can't find  where to patch  them they are for the  cab.c  in 90.X  there's no  cab.c  in 88.X   and  the  cve-2007-2650  and cve-2007-1745 can be done   debian has all patched but the last CVE     but I can't see where they  pathed their  sarge's  clamav 08:58
ubotuThe OLE2 parser in Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (resource consumption) via an OLE2 file with (1) a large property size or (2) a loop in the FAT file block chain that triggers an infinite loop, as demonstrated via a crafted DOC file. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2650)08:58
ubotuThe chm_decompress_stream function in libclamav/chmunpack.c in Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) before 0.90.2 leaks file descriptors, which has unknown impact and attack vectors involving a crafted CHM file, a different vulnerability than CVE-2007-0897.  NOTE: some of these details are obtained from third party information. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-1745)08:58
ScottKleonel: It may be that the issue doesn't apply to the earlier versions.  I don't know.08:59
leonelI'll need more time to see what debian did ..08:59
leoneland see if I can get the patched from there09:00
ScottKSounds good09:00
leonelbut that won't be today .. :(09:00
ScottKOK.  I'll mostly be offline the next 4 days, so ask here if you need help.09:01
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jetsaredimcan someone tell me how to change the java plugin that firefox uses from blackdown to sun?09:05
jetsaredim/join#firefox09:06
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nixternalScottK: any time to revu that kplayer package?09:09
ScottKnixternal: Maybe.  I've got some other stuff I need to get done first.09:10
nixternalk, get the other stuff done and hollah :09:10
nixternal)09:10
nixternalya, split line smiley! /me patents it09:10
siretartnixternal: did you have contact with marillat about kplayer?09:12
nixternalnot yet I didn't..but from what I understand they are keeping it in debian-multimedia09:13
nixternalfor some reason, they think it is the same thing as kmplayer09:13
jetsaredimanyone know the answer to my firefox question?09:15
nixternaljetsaredim: that would be a #ubuntu question truthfully09:15
nixternalsudo update-alternatives --config java09:15
jetsaredimi tried that09:16
jetsaredimbut that doesn't seem to have any affect on firefox09:16
siretartnixternal: why do you say about 'them'? who else is running debian-multimedia.org?09:19
nixternalI don't know09:20
nixternalif he is a DD how come he doesn't push it into the Debian repos? why keep it separated into a non-official repo?09:20
siretartnixternal: because he is pretty pissed of debian09:24
nixternalahhhh09:24
nixternalwell then that may explain some stuff :)09:24
nixternalplus he hasn't updated kplayer in a few months either09:24
man-dinixternal: the whole repo seems outdated to me09:25
nixternalya, there are some old things in there...09:25
nixternalsiretart: do you know if he is typicall a cool dude? would he respond well if I asked him to update or see if he wants to turn over maintainership?09:25
siretartnixternal: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kplayer/kplayer_0.6.2.dsc 404s09:26
nixternalor get it into debian main09:26
nixternalsiretart: I removed it from Debian because they said Christian maintains it already in a non-official repo09:26
siretartnixternal: no idea. that's why I'm so interested in knowing if he has responded to a mail from you09:26
man-dinixternal: didnt you wanted to get kplayer into debian?09:26
nixternalI will email him direction09:26
nixternalman-di: yup, but was redirected to Christian09:26
man-diah09:27
man-diwell, directing to Christian is like sending one into the desert09:27
nixternalwhich is good, because it gave me a chance to make some changes and split the package into kplayer and kplayer-docs09:27
man-diIMO09:27
jetsaredimnixternal: when I run the java config command you posted earlier09:27
nixternalman-di: that is what I have heard09:27
jetsaredimwhat does the "+" sign next to an entry mean?09:27
nixternalyou are interested in the * sign09:27
siretartnixternal: that guy isn't a DD nor a NM, so I wouldn't give too much on him09:27
nixternalsiretart: @debian.org email for him09:28
nixternalor are we talking about someone else?09:28
man-disiretart: there are some DDs I dont give much on...09:28
jetsaredimnixternal: i got that, but I have 4 entries and the blackdown one has the + sign next to it for some reason09:28
siretartman-di: like marillat?09:28
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man-disiretart: more worse ones09:28
siretartnixternal: I'm talking about Raphael Geissert09:29
nixternaloh09:29
siretartman-di: indeed09:29
nixternalman, I wish people who weren't DDs on that list wouldn't make recommendations on such things then09:29
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siretartman-di: didn't you try to apply some time ago? ;)09:29
man-disiretart: I wanted09:30
man-disiretart: but I had not much time for it09:30
man-diI should not give advices to nixternal here, I'm a noone09:30
nixternalsiretart: well, I will get this package into Ubuntu, and then turn around and talk with Christian about it, and push changes to him if he is interested09:30
siretartman-di: totally understandable. You're doing a great job on java packages!09:31
nixternalman-di: but siretart is backing you it seems :)09:31
man-disiretart: describing myself I would do s/great/bad/09:31
man-disiretart: yesterday I uploaded an unsigned eclipse09:31
siretartman-di: huh? I must have a bad perception then ;)09:31
siretartthat happens. nothing to worry about09:32
man-disiretart: well, I have probably high standards for myself09:32
siretartnixternal: I'd say pass marillat a mail, and if he doesn't respond, find a DD to sponsor you09:32
man-dinixternal: if you need a DD, call me09:32
siretartman-di: btw, do we have a (very) rough timeline for openjdk in debian/ubuntu yet?09:34
siretartI'm just curious, but not necessarily in need for java packages (yet)09:34
man-disiretart: as always, its done when its done09:35
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siretartsure09:35
man-disiretart: seriously tom marble and doko want to work on it during debconf09:36
man-ditom is from SUN09:36
siretartah, that's great news09:36
siretartman-di: he is even in this channel ;)09:36
man-disiretart: yeah, he tries to be everywhere09:37
man-disiretart: he is the openjdk ambassasdor and tries to keep the community happy09:37
man-diI guess he dont likes when we talk about him ;-)09:39
siretartman-di: okay :)09:42
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TheDumboSeveas: poke10:04
highvolt1gecolour is evil.10:04
TheDumbowell, he told me to poke him.10:04
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tsmitheman-di, you around?10:21
man-ditsmithe: yes10:22
tsmithehmm sorry, don't worry10:23
tsmithe(yet)10:23
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ajmitchhi10:35
nixternalhi10:36
LaserJockmorning ajmitch 10:36
ajmitchLaserJock: sorry I didn't get to your mail about core-dev10:36
LaserJockajmitch: no problemo10:37
LaserJockajmitch: looks like I've got time :-)10:37
ajmitchyeah10:37
LaserJockI just got up this morning and saw some emails and thought maybe I could get them all in before the TB meeting today10:37
ajmitchtoo much time10:37
LaserJockso I thought I'd give it a go10:37
LaserJockbut Matt's right, it is short notice10:38
lionelhi ajmitch :)10:38
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RainCTcan someone guide me on what to do to package the new version of desktop-file-utils? (see bug 117180)10:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117180 in desktop-file-utils "Encoding is deprecated" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11718010:47
TheMusoHey all10:48
fernandohey TheMuso 10:48
porthoseasac: this is porthose do you still need help10:54
bashelierasac: about xulrunner: keeping ubuntu patches is has build on amd64, sparc and ppc, but has ftbfs on ia64, do you want to have a look to the build log ?10:58
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LaserJockhmm, can somebody check fridge.ubuntu.com for me?11:20
PriceChildLaserJock, too many connections?11:21
pygisure11:21
_MMA_Same here.11:21
pygihehe11:21
pygisame11:21
LaserJockhmm, that doesn't seem good11:21
pygidid you post how to conquer world? :P11:22
porthosesame here to many connections11:22
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LaserJockPriceChild: sure you didn't get a tarball within a tarball?11:24
LaserJockI've seen that happen11:24
PriceChildLaserJock, yeah that's what I'm dreading... but that "shouldn't" have happened11:24
PriceChildbecause of a debian/rules get-orig-source which "can't" have messed it up11:24
PriceChild(repackaged from bz2)11:24
TheDumbohowdy11:25
TheDumbostill no Seveas 11:25
PriceChildrevu seems to be _really_ slow and dropping my connection, not that I've ever downloaded an entire tarball from it before...11:26
geserLaserJock: fridge.ubuntu.com WFM11:26
RainCTgood night11:26
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PriceChildah its back up geser :)11:26
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LaserJockyeah, it's back up11:26
LaserJockI just wondered if I had somehow broken it :-)11:26
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PriceChildLaserJock, I've figured out what's happenning... Its been downloading the tar.bz2 perfectly after looking at debian/watch, then for some reason it must be uscan that's making a .orig.tar.bz2 to it. my next line to then bzcat gizmod*.tar.bz2 catches both of them...11:33
LaserJockheh11:34
PriceChilds/.orig.tar.bz2/.orig.tar.bz2 symlink/11:34
PriceChildI guess I should ask someone to take gizmod out of the build queue?11:34
DktrKranzcrimsun, I reviewed the debdiff of bug #117793, which should reflect your comment. could you please have a look at it? thanks11:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117793 in dbmail "/var/run/dbmail disappears" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11779311:35
xxxxx1bye all!11:36
PriceChildLaserJock, do you know who I should poke?11:36
LaserJockPriceChild: build queue of what?11:37
PriceChildwell it shows up in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=20 which I assume is waiting to be built/something?11:37
LaserJockyou would need to talk to a archive admin11:43
LaserJockbut I'm guessing they might be all gone by now11:43
geserdoes somebody know the gcc define for IA64? __x64_64__ is for AMD64 which one is for IA64?11:43
PriceChildI've fixed it and am about to push it to revu... where should I find an archive admin? -devel?11:44
DktrKranzgeser, I think it's __ia64__11:46
basheliergeser: already ftbfs on the very lasts uploads on ia6411:47
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geserbashelier: if you also mean xulrunner, I'd suggest to modify the patches to also check for IA64 (__ia64__)11:49
geserDktrKranz: google confirms your guess11:49
DktrKranzyou have to try it11:49
basheliergeser: I can do that, but I don't have a ia64 buildd at home, how could I check it works ?11:50
geseras AMD64 and IA64 fails to build with the same error, I'd say that the same patch should fix it for both11:51
basheliergeser: okay, give me a minute to make an other debdiff11:51
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crimsunis this the xulrunner merge from earlier?11:53
geseryes11:53
crimsunI pbuilt it on current amd64/gutsy before uploading...11:53
etankif an app is version -0.1pre1 what would the correct name of the deb be when packaging it?11:53
PriceChildcrimsun, uuu hey :) fixed the above problems in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=539411:53
crimsunetank: 0.1~pre1-0ubuntu111:54
crimsunassuming it doesn't already exist in Debian11:54
etanki am going to try to package wine-doors and it is wine-doors-0.1pre111:54
porthoseasac: you still need help11:55
basheliercrimsun: builds fine on amd64: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7977086/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.xulrunner_1.8.1.4-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz ;) problem on ia6411:55
ajmitchetank: use crimsun's suggestion11:55
crimsunbashelier: ah, I just misread geser's comment11:55
etankcrimsun: with a tilda between the 0.1 and pre?11:55
ajmitchotherwise you'd run into problems when 0.1 is released11:55
crimsunetank: yes11:56
gesercrimsun: do you think the same patch as for AMD64 would also fix the FTBFS on ia64? it's the same error11:56
etankcrimsun: ok11:56
basheliergeser: have to apt-get source again... will take more than a minute so :)11:56
ajmitchsince 0.1~pre1 < 0.1 < 0.1pre111:56
crimsungeser: AFAIK, yes11:56
etankso then this would be correct wine-doors-0.1~pre1-0ubuntu1 ?11:57
geserif this fixes the build on IA64 that would unblock some other packages on IA6411:57
Kmosetank: yes11:58
etankcool11:58
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crimsunDktrKranz: acked, uploaded & Status set accordingly.12:01
etankcrimsun: dh_make doesn't seem to like the ~12:01
crimsunetank: most people here will recommend you not use dh_make(1)12:02
basheliergeser: shall I make a new revision for this fix ?12:02
DktrKranzcrimsun, thanks12:02
pochucrimsun: why not?12:03
etankcrimsun: what is recommened then?12:03
etanki am going from http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html on this?12:03
crimsunetank: you can use anything you want, but some people prefer cdbs12:03
geserbashelier: a new revision is only needed if it got uploaded12:03
crimsunpochu: ^^12:03
basheliergeser: ok12:04
geseras this wasn't uploaded yet, simply modified the patch (note it perhaps also in the debian changelog) and recreate the debdiff12:05
etankthat part of the packagingguide is very short on content :(12:05
crimsunetank: patches are welcome :)12:05
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etankcrimsun: im still learning how to do all of this.12:05
etanki dont know all of the tools yet.12:06
crimsunetank: if you're using dh_make(1), be aware of the Description section of its man page.12:06
pygietank, but you will learn ;12:07
pygi;)12:07
LaserJockhmm, that reminds me12:07
etankpygi: eventually (maybe)12:07
pygietank, bad attitude, bad =)12:07
crimsunwith great mentors like LaserJock and geser, you can't help but learn!12:08
pygicrimsun, mhm ... and I'm bad? :P12:08
=== pygi is helping etank :P
etankbrb12:08
crimsunwell, I'm not deliberately excluding anyone :P12:08
pyginot sure ;)12:08
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