| Daviey | gardengnome: your still working on that eh? | 12:32 |
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| gardengnome | i haven't started yet. :) | 12:33 |
| DaveMorris | how do you guys test mythtv with gutsy yet keep the other 1/2 happy? | 12:33 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: i don't. | 12:33 |
| gardengnome | my mythtv box is still not ready for the living room. sadly. | 12:33 |
| gardengnome | and there's no way i'd be touching a precious produtction mythtv box to test beta software. :) | 12:34 |
| DaveMorris | well mine is as my g/f dosen't live with me | 12:34 |
| Daviey | DaveMorris: i don't atm.. I'd get in so much trouble if i knackered it. Soon i should get a spare box to work with tho | 12:34 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: the GF doesn't live with me either but i still don't want that noisy thing in here. | 12:35 |
| DaveMorris | yeah I've been thinking I need to run a areial cable into my cabinet and setup a spare machine with my Nova 500 card | 12:35 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: besides, we already have enough fights over the remote. i don't want to add any "you broke the TV!!" :> | 12:35 |
| DaveMorris | mines quiet :) an old p400 for a backend and a mini-itx for the front end - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/mythtv-my-setup/ | 12:36 |
| Daviey | I ran a CAT5 & Ariel cable down the side of the house - when i first set it up. I had a combined FE&BE in lounge. Then when i split them up the arial cable became redundant as the BE is in the loft/attic | 12:36 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: i always have trouble with HDD vibrations. | 12:36 |
| DaveMorris | noise wise? | 12:37 |
| gardengnome | yes. | 12:37 |
| Daviey | gardengnome: we have 2 remotes! | 12:37 |
| gardengnome | in most of my boxes. | 12:37 |
| DaveMorris | can you really hear them over the TV/Music | 12:37 |
| === DaveMorris has learnt to ignore pc noise as he has about 5 turned on in his bedroom all the time | ||
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: i'm rather sensitive wrt to noise. i get *lots* of vibration in my cheiftec case and even more in the cheap old case the GF gave to me. | 12:38 |
| gardengnome | i made a spiffy decoupling hdd cage but something is wrong with the case. the mainboard acts up if it's in there. | 12:38 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, it doesnt pull anything via wget yet | 12:39 |
| superm1 | but i think thats the only solution | 12:39 |
| superm1 | for firmware | 12:39 |
| superm1 | unless we have a redistribution licens | 12:39 |
| gardengnome | that case even has nase insulation. i guess i fiddled too much with it and now it's either a EM problem or the case bends the mainboard. | 12:40 |
| superm1 | Daviey, who did you talk to to get your blog on the planet? | 12:40 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: *five* pcs in your bed room? | 12:41 |
| DaveMorris | yeah | 12:42 |
| gardengnome | s/nase/noise/ | 12:42 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, i was thikning a little more about it, i think that for firmware i might write a seperate app | 12:42 |
| superm1 | in gtk | 12:42 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: wow. that'd be five too much for me. | 12:42 |
| superm1 | or pygtk better yet | 12:42 |
| superm1 | and then have ubiquity for mythbuntu depend on it and use its python functionality | 12:43 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: i do have a separate bed room and tinkering room, though. | 12:43 |
| gardengnome | <- snob. | 12:43 |
| DaveMorris | FW, xen host, spare xen host powered down, 2 rackmount swtiches, backup server, desktop, 2 more machines powered down, laptop, then in the livining room, myth backend, myth frontend | 12:43 |
| Daviey | superm1: you edit the bzr branch | 12:43 |
| superm1 | that way Daviey can use it also in the mythbuntu control panel he will be writing too | 12:43 |
| superm1 | Daviey, yup we're at revno 38 right now | 12:43 |
| superm1 | as of last night | 12:43 |
| DaveMorris | gardengnome: I live in a 2bed flat with my bro | 12:43 |
| Daviey | superm1: naa.. i mean for ubuntu planet. | 12:43 |
| superm1 | oh thats it? | 12:43 |
| superm1 | and your on? | 12:43 |
| Daviey | yep | 12:44 |
| Daviey | you edit the conf file yourself :) | 12:44 |
| superm1 | can you add mythbuntu.org? | 12:44 |
| Daviey | superm1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu | 12:44 |
| Daviey | yeah no worries | 12:44 |
| Daviey | whats the rss feed? | 12:44 |
| superm1 | cool great | 12:44 |
| superm1 | http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml | 12:44 |
| Daviey | I'll add it now, if you can give me a feed | 12:44 |
| Daviey | cool | 12:44 |
| Daviey | use the current logo as hackergotchi | 12:45 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: You want me to post it on my blog as well? | 12:45 |
| DaveMorris | about the public alpha 1? | 12:45 |
| superm1 | yea | 12:46 |
| superm1 | Daviey, ^ | 12:46 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, up to you :) | 12:46 |
| Daviey | superm1: ? | 12:46 |
| DaveMorris | depends if we just want ubuntu type people to use it for now | 12:46 |
| superm1 | use the current logo | 12:46 |
| superm1 | just ubuntu type people right now yes | 12:46 |
| DaveMorris | I'll hold of posting it then | 12:47 |
| superm1 | because there is a string of known issues already in alpha 1 | 12:47 |
| Daviey | superm1: ubuntu planet won't have a problem with us adding it? | 12:47 |
| DaveMorris | I get lots of referers from wordpress looking at mythtv tags | 12:47 |
| Daviey | deb-a-day and behind motu are there, so i would think not | 12:47 |
| superm1 | Daviey, we were given a +1 for the team were we not? | 12:47 |
| superm1 | and some of them can't be sussed until the metapackage mythbuntu-standalone is figure out | 12:47 |
| superm1 | *figured | 12:47 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, then for sure lets wait until beta until you put on your blog | 12:48 |
| Daviey | superm1: name "Mythbuntu" or "Mythbuntu Team" ? | 12:48 |
| superm1 | hm | 12:48 |
| superm1 | what makes more sense? | 12:48 |
| superm1 | a team giving releases? or a computer? | 12:49 |
| superm1 | i think Mythbuntu | 12:49 |
| DaveMorris | bug #113438 I can't work out if the guy is taking the piss or not | 12:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113438 in mythtv "[apport] mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in GuideGrid::fillProgramRowInfos()" [Medium,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113438 | 12:49 |
| superm1 | its been submitted upstream, there isnt much we can do | 12:50 |
| === superm1 wonders if he can convince someone in -motu to host the class on reading apport retraces effectively that he wants | ||
| superm1 | wonder if there are any going on for ulive about apport | 12:51 |
| === DaveMorris would attend | ||
| superm1 | with my luck probably at the same time as the mythtv presentation :) | 12:52 |
| superm1 | it'd be really sweet if we get mythbuntu far enough along that it can be used for the demo rather than ubuntu+mythtv | 12:52 |
| Daviey | Ahhhhhhh. why is my bzr using VIM! | 12:53 |
| Daviey | that's commited btw | 12:53 |
| superm1 | cool great | 12:53 |
| superm1 | will it squeeze in that RSS from this morning now - or does it use the time? | 12:53 |
| Daviey | not sure tbh | 12:54 |
| Daviey | i know if i edit my blog; it doesn't repost - but does update | 12:54 |
| Daviey | we'lll see | 12:54 |
| superm1 | ya | 12:54 |
| Daviey | If it doesn't appear within 30mins - delete the post and readd it :) | 12:55 |
| Daviey | superm1: do you want to quickly remove the blog stuff | 12:59 |
| Daviey | and renter it now | 12:59 |
| Daviey | So it has a new time? | 12:59 |
| superm1 | Can you do that on drupal? | 12:59 |
| Daviey | otherwise it might be burried at the bottom | 01:00 |
| Daviey | eek | 01:00 |
| Daviey | how do i login again? | 01:00 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu.org/usr | 01:01 |
| superm1 | i think | 01:01 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu.org/user | 01:01 |
| Daviey | yep | 01:01 |
| superm1 | 1. You must either be one of the [WWW] Ubuntu Members, or be in one of its member teams (From the wiki page about the planet) | 01:01 |
| superm1 | so we're fine | 01:01 |
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| DaveMorris | Daviey: because VIM is the only true way | 01:02 |
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| a5benwillis | ello again guys | 01:03 |
| DaveMorris | hey | 01:03 |
| Daviey | superm1: how do you enter a url in drupal? | 01:03 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, what were you saying about wget earlier? | 01:03 |
| a5benwillis | back for another dumb question :-) | 01:03 |
| Daviey | just plain html? | 01:03 |
| superm1 | Daviey, it's filtered html by default | 01:04 |
| superm1 | but you can change it | 01:04 |
| Daviey | hmm | 01:04 |
| DaveMorris | bug #118710 | 01:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118710 in msttcorefonts "msttcorefonts installer script dosen't use the apt proxy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118710 | 01:04 |
| Daviey | I removed the posting and readded it, but lost the linky's | 01:04 |
| a5benwillis | is it possible to rip a copy protected dvd in myth? I know it can be done outside of myth. | 01:04 |
| superm1 | oh, better fix that :) | 01:04 |
| Daviey | yep - how? | 01:04 |
| Daviey | WYSIWYG editor is naff | 01:04 |
| superm1 | take a look at the source on one of the other pages | 01:05 |
| superm1 | like the download page | 01:05 |
| Daviey | crap | 01:05 |
| superm1 | hit edit on it | 01:05 |
| Daviey | where on there | 01:05 |
| superm1 | and you'll see it | 01:05 |
| Daviey | http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ | 01:05 |
| superm1 | haha your right | 01:05 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: how wheer you able to ship the other firmware for tuner cards? | 01:05 |
| superm1 | for the hauppauge ivtv, sorted out the license on it | 01:06 |
| Daviey | I wonder what will happend.. i deleted the post then re-created it | 01:06 |
| Daviey | :s | 01:06 |
| DaveMorris | just that one card? | 01:06 |
| DaveMorris | or can we ship all hauppage firmware? | 01:06 |
| superm1 | anything supported by the ivtv driver | 01:06 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, do you need firmware for another hauppaugg card? | 01:07 |
| Daviey | superm1: the read more is kinda naff. click it and you'll see what i mean | 01:07 |
| DaveMorris | need it for the NOVA-T | 01:07 |
| superm1 | where does the firmware come from DaveMorris | 01:07 |
| Daviey | NOVA-T 500? | 01:07 |
| DaveMorris | Daviey: yes | 01:07 |
| DaveMorris | dvb-usb-dib0700-01.fw | 01:08 |
| DaveMorris | is what I'm using, I googled for it | 01:08 |
| superm1 | kinda "naff"? | 01:08 |
| superm1 | what does that mean Daviey | 01:08 |
| superm1 | oh thats a silly drupal thing, i dont know how to fix it | 01:08 |
| superm1 | so that it provides the whole read on the rss fed | 01:08 |
| Daviey | yeah, read more leads to an identical link where you need to 'read more' again | 01:09 |
| Daviey | poo.. shall i disable the planet feed until we have it sorted? | 01:09 |
| Daviey | ah http://www.mythbuntu.org/admin/content/rss-publishing | 01:09 |
| Daviey | "FULL TEXT" | 01:09 |
| superm1 | good good | 01:10 |
| superm1 | thats what we need | 01:10 |
| superm1 | i cant fix the link since you posted | 01:10 |
| superm1 | you have to fix it | 01:10 |
| Daviey | you have tho :) | 01:11 |
| superm1 | haha yea i noticed later | 01:11 |
| Daviey | How can i change it so it's 'your' post? | 01:11 |
| a5benwillis | anyone know of a package for 'genisoimage' ? | 01:12 |
| superm1 | its alright if its yours | 01:12 |
| superm1 | not a big deal | 01:12 |
| Daviey | a5benwillis: genisoimage is a package name :) | 01:14 |
| Daviey | or - mkisofs - Dummy transition package for genisoimage | 01:14 |
| a5benwillis | E: Couldn't find package genisoimage | 01:16 |
| a5benwillis | oh, ok. I have that | 01:16 |
| superm1 | Daviey, do you know how to change the node of that URL? | 01:17 |
| Daviey | nope | 01:17 |
| superm1 | because the new one is /10 | 01:17 |
| superm1 | whereas the old one was /9 | 01:17 |
| superm1 | well maybe just leave it as is | 01:17 |
| === Daviey has never used drupal before | ||
| superm1 | so planet doenst freak | 01:17 |
| superm1 | when it sees the new one | 01:17 |
| DaveMorris | night all | 01:17 |
| Daviey | well /9 should be blank now | 01:17 |
| Daviey | DaveMorris: nnn | 01:17 |
| superm1 | it points to the whole page | 01:17 |
| Daviey | hmm | 01:17 |
| superm1 | /9 | 01:17 |
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| superm1 | and makes you click to read more :) | 01:17 |
| superm1 | oh found it | 01:18 |
| superm1 | there was a post trimming option | 01:18 |
| superm1 | its unlimited nw | 01:18 |
| Daviey | hmm | 01:18 |
| superm1 | well its set that way | 01:18 |
| superm1 | but not doing it | 01:18 |
| Daviey | http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml | 01:18 |
| Daviey | looks good to me | 01:18 |
| Daviey | jono: hey | 01:18 |
| Daviey | jono: did you have any joy kicking up a fuss about a mailing list? | 01:19 |
| jono | hey | 01:19 |
| jono | Daviey: nope | 01:19 |
| Daviey | :`( | 01:19 |
| Daviey | jono: thanks for trying | 01:19 |
| Daviey | superm1: were in pole position now | 01:20 |
| superm1 | lol | 01:20 |
| superm1 | we're up there twice | 01:20 |
| Daviey | we aint | 01:20 |
| superm1 | way to go breaking the planet daviey | 01:20 |
| superm1 | yea we are | 01:20 |
| Daviey | oww. we are | 01:20 |
| Daviey | how come the planet doesn't forget posts that get rm'd! | 01:21 |
| superm1 | lol | 01:21 |
| Daviey | ahh well.. twice as much exposure | 01:21 |
| superm1 | haha | 01:21 |
| Daviey | maybe it will rm itself in time | 01:22 |
| superm1 | me hopes | 01:22 |
| Daviey | ah. our contact email still isn't working | 01:22 |
| superm1 | whats our contact email? | 01:22 |
| Daviey | *@mythbuntu.org | 01:23 |
| superm1 | did imbrandon sort that out yet? | 01:23 |
| Daviey | imbrandon: ping a ding | 01:23 |
| Daviey | superm1: don't think so | 01:23 |
| Daviey | maybe we should ask him to move the MX to pegasys | 01:23 |
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| superm1 | jetsaredim, if you want the fixed ubiquity, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade will install it | 07:02 |
| superm1 | from in the env | 07:02 |
| superm1 | i added it to mythbuntu.org for such purposes | 07:02 |
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| gardengnome | re | 09:34 |
| gardengnome | is it normal that we get a *lot* of bug reports which should go upstream? | 09:43 |
| DaveMorris | depends, I can't understand what the hell is happening with the apport bug reports | 09:55 |
| DaveMorris | so they may need to go up or not | 09:56 |
| gardengnome | what don't you understand? | 10:05 |
| DaveMorris | talk when I get to work | 10:08 |
| DaveMorris | so in around 40 mins | 10:08 |
| gardengnome | k | 10:09 |
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| gardengnome | why do i keep makign myself unhappy by deleting my bzr tree? | 10:25 |
| gardengnome | i'm glad i'd bzr pushed before doing that | 10:25 |
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| DaveMorris | grrr I left my glasses in the car | 10:46 |
| gardengnome | have some of mine | 10:46 |
| DaveMorris | ok the info generated by apport is the debugging info which needs to be run through a debugger such as gdm. I assume I also need to have the source packages installed from the repo's. Now I have no idea how to load the stack trace into a debugger, I've only ever loaded my binaries in and run them till the crash. (I tend to do print lines etc when programming rather than using a debugger still ) | 10:57 |
| gardengnome | gdm or gdb? :) | 10:57 |
| DaveMorris | meh | 10:58 |
| gardengnome | you don't need the source packages | 10:59 |
| gardengnome | you need the debugging symbols which are downloaded automatically by apport, AFAIK | 10:59 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: have you read the apport article in the wiki? | 11:00 |
| DaveMorris | nope, which wiki? | 11:01 |
| gardengnome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport | 11:02 |
| gardengnome | ubotu: factoids | 11:02 |
| ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 11:02 |
| gardengnome | ubotu: learn apport as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport | 11:02 |
| gardengnome | ah | 11:03 |
| gardengnome | !apport is <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport> | 11:03 |
| gardengnome | <ubotu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail | 11:03 |
| gardengnome | oops | 11:03 |
| gardengnome | !apport | 11:03 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 11:03 |
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| gardengnome | heh | 11:08 |
| gardengnome | superm1 is busy writing blueprints :) | 11:09 |
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| DaveMorris | his braindump is working then | 11:09 |
| gardengnome | yup | 11:09 |
| DaveMorris | ok, now to find an example of apport and see if I can get it to work | 11:10 |
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| gardengnome | mixing bzr and svn can be annoying | 11:16 |
| gardengnome | merging patches by hand is a rather boring task :) | 11:29 |
| DaveMorris | hehe | 11:30 |
| gardengnome | just merging superm1's changes for the mythtv debian scripts :) | 11:32 |
| DaveMorris | grrr the apport-retrace dosen't pay attention to the proxy settings! | 11:37 |
| gardengnome | :( | 11:40 |
| DaveMorris | far to many packages don't work from behind a proxy ! | 11:41 |
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| DaveMorris | Daviey is here twice, we are blessed | 11:45 |
| gardengnome | yay | 11:47 |
| DaveMorris | where are the blue prints? | 11:48 |
| === DaveMorris always gets lost when using launchpad | ||
| gardengnome | hehe. yep | 11:48 |
| gardengnome | launchpad can be really annoying | 11:48 |
| gardengnome | wait a second | 11:49 |
| gardengnome | i'm so lost. | 11:49 |
| gardengnome | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/ | 11:50 |
| gardengnome | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ | 11:51 |
| gardengnome | ah | 11:51 |
| gardengnome | the project is "mythbuntu" | 11:51 |
| DaveMorris | cheers, I've book marked both of them | 11:51 |
| gardengnome | now i know why i couldn't find it when searching for "mythtv" | 11:52 |
| gardengnome | sigh :'( | 11:57 |
| gardengnome | i can't find out why this patch gets reject | 11:57 |
| gardengnome | it's like i'm missing a changeset or something, but i'm sure it's correct | 11:58 |
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| gardengnome | dear bzr, please suck less. love, michael. | 12:13 |
| DaveMorris | hehe | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | while we're at it. same applies to launchpad as well. | 12:15 |
| gardengnome | i wish i knew why bzr is committing to launchpad now instead of expecting me to push | 12:16 |
| gardengnome | nice | 12:40 |
| gardengnome | there's lots of unused strings in the .po file | 12:40 |
| DaveMorris | .po is the translation files yeah | 12:45 |
| gardengnome | yup | 12:47 |
| === gardengnome is busy translating | ||
| DaveMorris | how do you generate the po files for translation etc? | 12:47 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: cp template.pot de.po | 12:48 |
| gardengnome | ;) | 12:48 |
| gardengnome | http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans | 12:49 |
| DaveMorris | how do you generate the template one | 12:49 |
| gardengnome | i have no clue. | 12:51 |
| gardengnome | i was actually expexting to find a translation engine in launchpad | 12:51 |
| gardengnome | i guess i don't get muchof such goodness becuase i'm using*k*ubuntu | 12:51 |
| DaveMorris | hehe | 12:51 |
| DaveMorris | hmm the wiki on apport is wrong, there is no -d option | 12:57 |
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| DaveMorris | hi a5benwillis | 02:38 |
| gardengnome | DaveMorris: i talked to stuarta in #mythtv about apport this morning | 02:41 |
| gardengnome | http://www.pastebin.ca/539969 | 02:41 |
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| DaveMorris | seems like the are willing to have it working with us then | 02:46 |
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| gardengnome | DaveMorris: yup | 02:57 |
| a5benwillis | Hi DaveMorris | 02:57 |
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| DaveMorris | Daviey: you actually about yet? | 03:03 |
| Daviey | sorta | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | superm1, ping | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | Daviey, you have ssh access to pegasus correct ? | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | anyhow if you do see what i told superm1 about the mail file | 03:43 |
| imbrandon | ( earlier this morning ) | 03:43 |
| Daviey | imbrandon: yes | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | kk | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | just makin sure | 03:44 |
| Daviey | missed it. | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | ohh , there is a new file i put on the server , superm1 has added a few email addresses already | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | its in /storage/websites/mythmail | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | in the form "user@mythbuntu.org<tab>someone@gmail.com" | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | tab NOT space | 03:45 |
| Daviey | winner | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | it will get synced with the mail server every 10 minutes | 03:46 |
| Daviey | user@mythbuntu.org<tab>someone@gmail.com<tab>someone@gmail.com<tab>someone@gmail.com etc? | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | its actualy working now, he has 3 ro 4 addresses in there, fell free to add / remove more | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | one per line | 03:46 |
| Daviey | i'll take a gander | 03:46 |
| Daviey | thanks | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | and no not multipal addresses | 03:47 |
| Daviey | hmm | 03:48 |
| Daviey | what shall i have my email addy as | 03:48 |
| Daviey | s'pose daviey@ | 03:48 |
| Daviey | imbrandon: how can one alias be fwd to many people? | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | it cant atm | 03:48 |
| Daviey | boo | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | i'll work that out later today/tomarrow | 03:49 |
| Daviey | thanks | 03:49 |
| Daviey | imbrandon: is it a cron job that will update it? | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | yes, every 10 minutes | 03:56 |
| Daviey | cool | 03:56 |
| Daviey | Just to confirm, it works | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | Daviey, yes we tested it this morning | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | my mail server has been working for years :) but we tested the script when i put it in this morning | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:05 |
| Daviey | what MTA are you using? | 04:06 |
| imbrandon | postfix | 04:06 |
| Daviey | scary. | 04:06 |
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| === DaveMorris uses postfix | ||
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| DaveMorris | dovecot is quite a new mail server then, v1.0 release less than 2 months old | 04:55 |
| rogue780|mythsrv | I just want something that I can host multiple domains with...have users that don't require a unix account, and to have all the info stored in a mysqldb. | 04:56 |
| Paladine | naaah dovecot has been around ages | 05:03 |
| Paladine | I used it on my fbsd server for years | 05:03 |
| Paladine | rogue780|mythsrv, I am using postfix and courier. It allows virtual domains and virtual users all stored in a mysql database. It auths against the database too so no shell login account required by the users | 05:05 |
| DaveMorris | I'm using the same setup as Paladine | 05:05 |
| Paladine | I use self generated certificates for auth over SLL | 05:05 |
| Paladine | postfix is for smtp and courier is my imapd | 05:07 |
| Paladine | courier supports pop3 too | 05:07 |
| Paladine | which reminds me I need to write a script that adds new users/domains and also creates the relevant directories in /home/vmail | 05:08 |
| Paladine | I keep adding them manually in mysql and forgetting to create the user directories | 05:09 |
| DaveMorris | Paladine: a nice web page for it would be good :) | 05:15 |
| Paladine | yeah | 05:16 |
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| superm1 | can someone please write a patch to commit to universe that will add add 5-6 hours to each $day? thanks. | 05:21 |
| DaveMorris | that busy ay? | 05:21 |
| superm1 | with my class starting yesterday yes. | 05:23 |
| DaveMorris | what you studying? | 05:24 |
| superm1 | its just a gen-ed that i've been putting off (All i have left for my EE degree is a ton of geneds and one EE class) | 05:24 |
| DaveMorris | I finshed my SE degree last year, just gonna enroll on a Masters now since work is gonna pay | 05:25 |
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| superm1 | Can't argue that :) | 05:27 |
| superm1 | it just kinda is unfortunate that i have to break up my day, ibm in the AM, class for 2.5 hours, ibm in the PM, eat, a little ubuntu time and sleep is my life for the next month :( | 05:28 |
| DaveMorris | just loads of boring writing to do agreeing what I'm to work on and how I'll be assessed for it. I've already done the coding part for it :) | 05:28 |
| DaveMorris | your working at IBM now? | 05:28 |
| superm1 | internship for the summer :) | 05:29 |
| superm1 | started ~ 3 weeks ago | 05:29 |
| DaveMorris | cool, doing what? | 05:29 |
| superm1 | well i'm with a services group, so we have a client bring us some layout/schematic work | 05:29 |
| superm1 | and go from there | 05:30 |
| superm1 | so the current project that i'm with i've had to port it to 2 other technologies, update all the docs for the new technologies, and i'm working on models right now | 05:30 |
| DaveMorris | haha, I just broke the MS Word track changes | 05:34 |
| DaveMorris | it dosen't track the deletion of a row in a table | 05:34 |
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| superm1 | haha | 05:37 |
| superm1 | why are you? | 05:37 |
| DaveMorris | the course leader wants to use change tracking for it and he can't use SCM + latex | 05:38 |
| superm1 | thats a shame | 05:39 |
| DaveMorris | all the rest of my work will be done with svn+latex | 05:40 |
| superm1 | latex is on my ever so growing to do list to learn :) | 05:40 |
| DaveMorris | python is on my list :) | 05:40 |
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| superm1 | well i didnt plan to scratch python off mine for awhile, but all this ubiquity stuff is forcing me to | 05:41 |
| superm1 | has some installed? | 05:42 |
| superm1 | er has some how installed? | 05:42 |
| DaveMorris | yeah, instead of the ubuntu bootload I've managed to install the mythbuntu ones | 05:42 |
| superm1 | ah | 05:42 |
| DaveMorris | might of been when I made that amd64 build | 05:42 |
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| superm1 | once we have the meta done for mythbuntu-live and mythbuntu-standalone, i'd like if you could kick off a build of tha ISO | 05:43 |
| superm1 | but at the rate things are going to be going, i can't say when that will be | 05:43 |
| === DaveMorris if he can remember how | ||
| superm1 | the process is getting easier, it should just be a manner of sudo ./mythbuntu_install.sh if you dont need to update any env variables | 05:44 |
| superm1 | and if you do, then it will be VARIABLE=blah sudo ./mythbuntu_install.sh | 05:44 |
| superm1 | etc | 05:44 |
| DaveMorris | I'll need to set the proxy etc in the script | 05:44 |
| superm1 | the build env is getting smarter and smarter | 05:44 |
| superm1 | it takes it from /etc/apt | 05:45 |
| superm1 | if you have it there | 05:45 |
| DaveMorris | from apt.conf cool | 05:45 |
| superm1 | except for the msttcorefonts | 05:45 |
| DaveMorris | I just patched the mstcorefonts installer to take it from there | 05:45 |
| superm1 | but you know about that :) | 05:45 |
| superm1 | oh did you submit a debdiff? | 05:45 |
| DaveMorris | no, just a patch | 05:46 |
| DaveMorris | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/118710 | 05:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118710 in msttcorefonts "msttcorefonts installer script dosen't use the apt proxy (dup-of: 56880)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 56880 in msttcorefonts "Not working with proxy" [Low,Unconfirmed] | 05:46 |
| superm1 | oh neat. | 05:46 |
| DaveMorris | I'll the other maintainers package it etc | 05:46 |
| DaveMorris | 3 line patch so should be easy for them | 05:47 |
| superm1 | indeed | 05:47 |
| DaveMorris | did you do it the same way for the mythbuntu installer script? | 05:47 |
| superm1 | very similar method | 05:47 |
| superm1 | copy in /etc/apt/apt.conf | 05:47 |
| superm1 | to the chroot | 05:47 |
| superm1 | and remove it at the end | 05:48 |
| DaveMorris | yeah I added that part :) | 05:48 |
| superm1 | :) | 05:48 |
| DaveMorris | but it also needed it exporting as well for some reason | 05:48 |
| superm1 | i moved the location some things happened though | 05:48 |
| superm1 | like when the removal occurred | 05:48 |
| DaveMorris | I think your using wget somehwere | 05:48 |
| superm1 | I shouldnt be... | 05:48 |
| superm1 | just msttcorefonts | 05:49 |
| DaveMorris | if so grab the patch from that bug and add it to the start of the script | 05:49 |
| superm1 | well when we write the firmware loader part (which I started yesterday) - we'll make sure to include that | 05:49 |
| DaveMorris | sounds good | 05:50 |
| DaveMorris | I need to leave in 10 ifyou've got anything important to tell me | 05:50 |
| superm1 | not that I can think off hand | 05:50 |
| superm1 | catch up with you later then ;) | 05:50 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, ping | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | superm1: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 05:51 |
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| bfrye25 | hello | 05:58 |
| bfrye25 | does mythbuntu come with NA dvb patches?? | 05:58 |
| bfrye25 | or no? | 05:58 |
| superm1 | bfrye25, NA dvb patches? | 05:59 |
| superm1 | What are these? | 05:59 |
| bfrye25 | they allow mythtv to find NA satalites | 05:59 |
| bfrye25 | i am guessing they are not then | 05:59 |
| bfrye25 | lol | 05:59 |
| superm1 | bfrye25, well are they in trac? | 06:00 |
| superm1 | (mythtv's svn) | 06:00 |
| bfrye25 | hummm i am not sure | 06:01 |
| superm1 | or are these third party patches sitting somewhere else? | 06:01 |
| superm1 | if they're *not* in trac, then we dont have them activated. The best thing to do is submit them on a bug on the mythtv tracker | 06:01 |
| superm1 | to be applied to trunk | 06:01 |
| bfrye25 | oh well then thanks! | 06:01 |
| superm1 | if they apply clean to -fixes | 06:01 |
| bfrye25 | does mythbuntu work alot differntly then ubuntu? | 06:02 |
| superm1 | (and dont break anything) then we can apply them too | 06:02 |
| bfrye25 | or basicly just striped down ubuntu to just work with myth | 06:02 |
| superm1 | its basicaly a stripped down ubuntu | 06:02 |
| superm1 | with a lot of preconfiguration | 06:02 |
| superm1 | we're putting as much of the configuration and package installation directly into the installer | 06:03 |
| superm1 | (as much as possible) | 06:03 |
| superm1 | if you look at the wiki pages, it will be doing all that is done in a standalone backend or frontend on the wiki pages | 06:04 |
| superm1 | !mythtv | 06:04 |
| bfrye25 | wow | 06:04 |
| ubotu | MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV | 06:04 |
| superm1 | we may also have a DVD release that includes an option to install ubuntu-desktop too | 06:04 |
| bfrye25 | that is really nice since myth is anoyng to install some times | 06:04 |
| superm1 | thats not 100% for sure though | 06:04 |
| superm1 | exactly :) | 06:04 |
| superm1 | the disk can also be used as a live frontend | 06:05 |
| bfrye25 | when will the final be out? | 06:05 |
| superm1 | at the rate things are going right now, we'll have a release at the same time as gutsy | 06:05 |
| superm1 | but if they pick up, then it might be sooner | 06:05 |
| bfrye25 | oh when is that expected? i am out of the loop | 06:05 |
| superm1 | oct | 06:06 |
| bfrye25 | oh nice! i look forward to it!!! | 06:07 |
| superm1 | bfrye25, take a look at the alpha if your inclined | 06:07 |
| superm1 | we'd love any input | 06:07 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, we're going to need to add apport support to mythbuntu somehow aren't we.... | 06:08 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, I read that transcript from this morning in #mythtv. Thats good that they are willing to work with us on the apport business | 06:11 |
| bfrye25 | nice! well then i will give it a go and see how i like it :D | 06:16 |
| bfrye25 | thanks | 06:16 |
| gardengnome | re | 06:44 |
| gardengnome | superm1: yes. | 06:44 |
| gardengnome | http://www.pastebin.ca/539969 | 06:44 |
| gardengnome | err | 06:48 |
| gardengnome | sorry | 06:48 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, any ideas how to get those top 3 missing lines? | 06:48 |
| gardengnome | i thought you wanted to read that | 06:48 |
| superm1 | Read it earlier :) | 06:48 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i have no clue :) do they show up in other backtraces generated by apport? | 06:48 |
| superm1 | see i thought that this tells all that is needed: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7357901/ThreadStacktrace.txt | 06:50 |
| superm1 | but perhaps now | 06:50 |
| superm1 | not | 06:50 |
| superm1 | better yet | 06:51 |
| superm1 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7709837/%3Cfdopen%3E | 06:51 |
| superm1 | that gives line numbers and all | 06:51 |
| superm1 | after the retrace service goes through | 06:51 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, could you poke in mythtv-users a bit more | 06:52 |
| superm1 | er mythtv | 06:52 |
| gardengnome | sure | 06:52 |
| gardengnome | i'm in a meeting right now | 06:52 |
| superm1 | and see if they knew about the strack retrace service | 06:52 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i believe they know about it | 06:52 |
| superm1 | I just dont see what more they need though then that? | 06:52 |
| superm1 | because the bug title has the type of fault | 06:53 |
| superm1 | SIGSEGV ex | 06:53 |
| superm1 | tells you the functions active | 06:53 |
| superm1 | and the line numbers | 06:53 |
| gardengnome | they need to know the exact thread where it failed. and the line number, probably. | 06:53 |
| gardengnome | you can have a bunch of threads doing very similar things | 06:53 |
| gardengnome | like two concurrent recordings | 06:54 |
| superm1 | indeed | 06:54 |
| superm1 | so in that bug i showed you | 06:54 |
| gardengnome | and it sees that our back trace doesn't provide that information | 06:54 |
| superm1 | 107882 | 06:54 |
| superm1 | bug 107882 | 06:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 107882 in mythtv "[apport] mythbackend crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_unlock_usercnt()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107882 | 06:54 |
| superm1 | the thread name is in the title | 06:54 |
| gardengnome | hum | 06:54 |
| gardengnome | indeed. | 06:54 |
| superm1 | __pthrex_mutex_unlock_usercnt() | 06:54 |
| superm1 | and that other link | 06:54 |
| superm1 | shows exactly Thread 1 (process 5971) | 06:55 |
| superm1 | with __pthread_mutex_unlock_usercnt() | 06:55 |
| superm1 | so even further: #4 0xb7c034e5 in DVBRecorder::RunDummyVideo (this=0x83448c0) at dvbrecorder.cpp:1301 | 06:55 |
| superm1 | line number and function name | 06:56 |
| gardengnome | yup. | 06:57 |
| gardengnome | we should look at a backtrace they consider to be a good BT | 06:57 |
| superm1 | I really think its just that mythtv devs aren't used to looking at it presented this way | 06:57 |
| superm1 | because gdb puts it out way less informatively | 06:57 |
| superm1 | I've got to run to class again today in a min or two, otherwise i'd poke in there myself about this. Use that bug for an example when you get out of your meeting and can poke around again | 06:59 |
| gardengnome | i'm locked into a room with three smokers. my brain capacity is not that great right now... | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | yup | 07:00 |
| superm1 | lol | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | i hope i can find time | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | heh | 07:00 |
| superm1 | leave me a note if you do, if not i'll try to poke in there later | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | i used to smoke for like 8 years | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | now it sucks | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | yup :) | 07:00 |
| superm1 | Cya later | 07:00 |
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| gardengnome | you'd be the better choice anyways | 07:00 |
| gardengnome | much more knowledgeable ;) | 07:01 |
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| a5benwillis | any bsd users out there? | 08:10 |
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| superm1 | gardengnome, didnt poke in #mythtv yet did you? | 09:55 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i'm on it | 09:55 |
| superm1 | should i join right now? | 09:56 |
| superm1 | or you already started or what? | 09:56 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i'd appreciate it if you joined in. i'll pastebin the conversation for you. | 09:56 |
| superm1 | pastebin it, i'll read and then join | 09:56 |
| gardengnome | http://www.pastebin.ca/542296 | 09:57 |
| gardengnome | the clock is wrong. the conversation is taking place right now | 09:57 |
| superm1 | well it looks like stuarta gave the ok that things really are there | 09:59 |
| superm1 | its just that gdb makes the summary and he is used to that | 09:59 |
| gardengnome | true. maybe apport is just stripping it | 09:59 |
| gardengnome | this stuff is just above my head. :) | 10:02 |
| superm1 | well its hovering on top of my head and touching down every few min too | 10:02 |
| gardengnome | heh | 10:02 |
| gardengnome | too many files, too many open tabs, too many "pessimisations", too many 2line numbers" ;) | 10:02 |
| superm1 | keescook, as its looking, i dont think i'll be getting MOTU this time around. :( Would you be able to look over the diff of the mythtv bzr branch then since last build, and sponsor another upload? | 10:12 |
| superm1 | keescook, fixes the show stopper bug 118705 and a few others | 10:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118705 in mythtv "Gutsy MythTV depends on ntp-simple, which don't exist" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118705 | 10:12 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, i'm not sure if apport will grab dbgsym packages from third party repositories though | 10:18 |
| superm1 | i have support to build them in my local pbuilder | 10:18 |
| superm1 | but we will have to poke around about that | 10:18 |
| gardengnome | yup | 10:18 |
| gardengnome | we can still bribe people into doing stuf for us, you know | 10:18 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, we need to find pitti | 10:19 |
| superm1 | and give him this conversation | 10:19 |
| superm1 | and see if apport can file directly to mythtv tracker | 10:19 |
| gardengnome | heh | 10:19 |
| superm1 | in the format they want | 10:19 |
| superm1 | similar to how gnome does it | 10:19 |
| superm1 | directly to bugs.gnome.org | 10:19 |
| gardengnome | this feels like some kind of computer game where i'm given tasks and hints everywhere and need to finish quests | 10:19 |
| gardengnome | it's fun ;) | 10:19 |
| superm1 | lol i know what you mean | 10:20 |
| superm1 | its felt that way the last month or so for me too | 10:20 |
| superm1 | kinda like a big MMORPG where your group of people come on at certain times, and you can only accomplish certain quests at certain times in real life | 10:21 |
| gardengnome | superm1: we can't file *all* bugs directly to trac.mythtv.org | 10:21 |
| gardengnome | upstream would kill us. :) | 10:21 |
| superm1 | well all apport bugs | 10:21 |
| gardengnome | what about dupes? | 10:22 |
| gardengnome | i believe they like their bug tracker nice & clean | 10:22 |
| superm1 | does their tracker support adding bugs by email? | 10:23 |
| superm1 | we need to write a script then | 10:23 |
| superm1 | that will just scrub our bug reports | 10:23 |
| superm1 | and submit whats necessary | 10:23 |
| gardengnome | (my clothes reek of smoke. blech) | 10:24 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i'd appreciate it if you had a minute for me some time. i translated the debconf strings to german but podebconf-display-po is giving me errors even for the template. seems like a debconf problem to me. | 10:25 |
| gardengnome | tell me when you have time to take a look :)= | 10:25 |
| superm1 | when i have access to my branch again (4-6 hours from now when i leave work) | 10:26 |
| superm1 | did you do this again -fixes or -trunk? | 10:26 |
| superm1 | packages | 10:26 |
| gardengnome | i have not committed anything yet | 10:27 |
| superm1 | okay, go ahead and mail me the debdiff then | 10:27 |
| superm1 | i'll check it out later tonite | 10:27 |
| superm1 | superm1@mythbuntu.org | 10:27 |
| gardengnome | just cd debian/po and run podebconf-display-po -f dialog template.pot | 10:27 |
| gardengnome | you can reproduce it with the stuff that's already there | 10:27 |
| gardengnome | or podebconf-display-po -f dialog fr.po | 10:29 |
| gardengnome | you should then receive a message like laga@prometheus:~/dev/mythbuntu/mythtv/ubuntu/debian/po$ LC_ALL=C podebconf-display-po -f dialog fr.po | 10:30 |
| gardengnome | Template parse error near `../mythtv-frontend.templates: localhost', in stanza #3 of /tmp/Ov2WcaEguB | 10:30 |
| superm1 | I'll have to see when I have my source in front of me again | 10:34 |
| superm1 | i'll let you know what I find | 10:34 |
| gardengnome | sure | 10:34 |
| gardengnome | i'm not in a hurry | 10:34 |
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| superm1 | gardengnome, we should look into an alternate build system for now I think until imbrandon has the aurora figured out completely | 10:43 |
| superm1 | i'd like for us to be able to get these newer packages out for those who want them | 10:43 |
| gardengnome | what's wrong? | 10:43 |
| gardengnome | ah | 10:43 |
| superm1 | the script to build the source packages is fine and all | 10:44 |
| superm1 | but pegasus is very weak. a build will take ages if we do it right on there | 10:44 |
| superm1 | not to mention bog the machine now | 10:44 |
| gardengnome | ah | 10:44 |
| gardengnome | we can build them locally and push them to the mirrors | 10:44 |
| gardengnome | using dput | 10:44 |
| superm1 | using dput? | 10:44 |
| superm1 | never used it for such a purpose | 10:45 |
| superm1 | i've used it to push source packages | 10:45 |
| gardengnome | i think you can push binary packages, too | 10:45 |
| gardengnome | i need to clean up my bzr branches. the paths are very inconsistent in there ;) | 10:46 |
| superm1 | as are mine | 10:46 |
| superm1 | do you have a box that can do builds for this? | 10:46 |
| superm1 | a server thats on all the time or something to that effect | 10:46 |
| superm1 | and can give up a few cycles? | 10:46 |
| superm1 | via a cron job | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | i've got mythwiki.de :) | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | that should be possible | 10:47 |
| superm1 | ah neat | 10:47 |
| Daviey | coming in half way - are you thinking of a dist build? | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | we'll keep it for at least another few months | 10:47 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, well hopefully this aurora server will be sorted by then | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i'm just really paranoid over patent/licensing issues ;) | 10:47 |
| superm1 | you mean by using it to build? | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | yup | 10:48 |
| gardengnome | <- paranoia gnome ;) | 10:48 |
| superm1 | is it running a debian based distro? | 10:48 |
| gardengnome | it's running ubuntu dapper | 10:48 |
| superm1 | Daviey, we want to get the weekly pacakges out there, | 10:48 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, okay then it can install pbuilder and do these builds | 10:49 |
| Daviey | DaveMorris has said that he can build AMD64 packages and push them. | 10:49 |
| gardengnome | superm1: yup | 10:49 |
| superm1 | ah good Daviey | 10:49 |
| gardengnome | i can build i386 packages and push them, too | 10:50 |
| Daviey | I can share the x86 builds. | 10:50 |
| superm1 | ideally it'd be best if the whole process could be automatic | 10:50 |
| gardengnome | what's wrong? i suppose erveryone here has got a few fast boxes at home :) | 10:50 |
| superm1 | well i'm not sure how to automate it all | 10:50 |
| gardengnome | superm1: BTW, do we anything debconf-ish in mythplugins? i'd like to add the mythweb password protection stuff | 10:51 |
| superm1 | imbrandon's server was going to watch a folder for when new dsc's show up | 10:51 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, not yet, but it would be great too | 10:51 |
| Daviey | superm1: i needed to talk to you about myth-themes | 10:51 |
| superm1 | Daviey, shoot | 10:51 |
| Daviey | Hmm.. if m-t-unoffical is 'too big' - for consistency shouldn't the offical themes be broken up? | 10:52 |
| Daviey | then have an offical&unoffical meta package? | 10:52 |
| superm1 | well yes and no. | 10:53 |
| superm1 | because the official ships as a tarball | 10:53 |
| superm1 | whereas the unofficial doesnt | 10:53 |
| Daviey | hmm | 10:53 |
| Daviey | i see. | 10:53 |
| gardengnome | superm1: FYI, juski became the official theme maintainer. | 10:53 |
| superm1 | the unofficial is also 5x the size | 10:53 |
| superm1 | for the mythtv project? | 10:54 |
| superm1 | thats wonderful news | 10:54 |
| Daviey | gardengnome: theme maintainer for mytht?! | 10:54 |
| gardengnome | superm1: some of the unofficial ones might go into svn then | 10:54 |
| gardengnome | yes | 10:54 |
| Daviey | ah geez... better hold out on unoffical then | 10:54 |
| gardengnome | well, there's still mepo-wide | 10:54 |
| Daviey | He said he didn't give a stuff about the svn themes | 10:54 |
| Daviey | then he becomes maintainer?! | 10:54 |
| superm1 | lol | 10:54 |
| superm1 | Daviey, this being the case i think we do have to break up the official | 10:54 |
| gardengnome | Daviey: some donations made him mellow, i think | 10:55 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i dunno how it'll all end. ask juski or in #mythtv. | 10:55 |
| superm1 | well if we break it up, that makes the transition of the theme belonging to one meta to another incredibly simple | 10:55 |
| superm1 | Daviey, the sooner you can get the unofficial package done the better (ignoring this possible upstream change) | 10:57 |
| superm1 | it takes some time for archive adminsto ack new packges | 10:57 |
| superm1 | so later changes are easy, but new packages will take a while | 10:57 |
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| Daviey | Right.. | 11:11 |
| Daviey | just had a lenghtly discussion with juski | 11:11 |
| Daviey | boy that lad can talk | 11:11 |
| Daviey | There is certainly going to be a need for -unoffical | 11:11 |
| Daviey | but he is going to try and get _more_ themes into svn | 11:12 |
| Daviey | - but not all | 11:12 |
| Daviey | So mythtv-themes will still get huge | 11:12 |
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| Daviey | Also juski has 1/2'd the size of his themes, so that should help | 11:12 |
| Daviey | But considering it's still gonna get huge - maybe there should be a split in offical anyway | 11:13 |
| Daviey | But apparently a theme-downloader / on-demand is in the works | 11:13 |
| Daviey | That's gonna be a nightmare for us :( | 11:13 |
| superm1 | well for now | 11:18 |
| superm1 | i say make the two metas | 11:18 |
| superm1 | if a theme downloader comes out, then i turn off the pages in ubiquity | 11:18 |
| superm1 | fully doable :) | 11:18 |
| DaveMorris | I've been trying to think of some blue prints all day but I've not been able to think of any :( | 11:19 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, i've been thinking a lot about your little mythbuntu admin panel | 11:19 |
| DaveMorris | got the url's for them, I bookmarked them at work, but not at home yet | 11:19 |
| superm1 | Daviey, i'm thinking gnome-control-center style almost | 11:20 |
| Daviey | superm1: that's a good idea | 11:21 |
| Daviey | I'm sure most of g-c-c can be ported | 11:22 |
| superm1 | i might have someone recruited to write the firmware loader backend | 11:22 |
| superm1 | in pygtk | 11:22 |
| superm1 | as one of the options | 11:22 |
| superm1 | and i added initial frontend support for it to ubiquity | 11:22 |
| superm1 | last night | 11:22 |
| Daviey | cool | 11:23 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware has a good lsit of firmware/cards | 11:23 |
| superm1 | it doesnt list which firmware goes with whta card though | 11:24 |
| superm1 | just the chips that would use htem | 11:25 |
| DaveMorris | can't we parse lspci to match chipsets with frimware | 11:25 |
| superm1 | probbaly | 11:26 |
| Daviey | - nasty -# | 11:26 |
| Daviey | There aren't *that* many cards that people use.. | 11:26 |
| DaveMorris | true, me and Daviey use the same cards and we never spoke to each other about them | 11:28 |
| superm1 | and most US users use ivtv | 11:29 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: who's gonna write the script for ya? | 11:29 |
| superm1 | my buddy who is jealous of superm1@mythbuntu.org | 11:29 |
| superm1 | he wanted an address at @mythbuntu.org | 11:29 |
| superm1 | and i said he can have one if he writes this | 11:29 |
| DaveMorris | davemorris@mythbuntu.org ;) | 11:29 |
| superm1 | he interpreted it as a challenge | 11:30 |
| superm1 | so i'll see if he follows through | 11:30 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: you fancy having irc cloaks of mythbuntu.org ? | 11:30 |
| superm1 | if not, i'll just disable the ubiquity frontend | 11:30 |
| superm1 | oooh | 11:30 |
| DaveMorris | I can help with the testing in the UK | 11:30 |
| superm1 | ubuntu/mythbuntu/member/superm1 | 11:30 |
| superm1 | thats a long cloak | 11:30 |
| DaveMorris | I need to buy a signal box booster and run an ariel into my bedroom | 11:30 |
| Daviey | ubuntu/member/mythtv/Daviey | 11:31 |
| DaveMorris | unless, Daviey can I get DVB on a indoor arieal from around 10 years ago | 11:31 |
| Daviey | DaveMorris: suck it and see | 11:31 |
| superm1 | ompaul, can you add /mythtv/ to our cloaks? | 11:31 |
| ompaul | superm1, don't know that we can - I have to talk with someone about it - double barrell and all that | 11:32 |
| superm1 | double barrell? | 11:32 |
| ompaul | ubuntu does not have a mythtv cloak | 11:33 |
| ompaul | so it has to be | 11:33 |
| superm1 | oh | 11:33 |
| ompaul | /ubuntu/member.mythtv.superm1 | 11:33 |
| ompaul | and so o | 11:33 |
| ompaul | n | 11:33 |
| ompaul | but only if I get clearence for it | 11:33 |
| superm1 | ah | 11:33 |
| ompaul | it is not "normal" to grant it | 11:34 |
| superm1 | i didnt realize there was such a procedure for cloaks :) | 11:34 |
| ompaul | hehe | 11:34 |
| ompaul | it is long and ardious | 11:34 |
| ompaul | :-/ | 11:34 |
| superm1 | then perhaps not even worth it :S | 11:34 |
| Daviey | agreed | 11:35 |
| ompaul | okay | 11:35 |
| gardengnome | http://laga.ath.cx/mythweb-debconf.jpg | 11:36 |
| gardengnome | yay | 11:36 |
| gardengnome | now i needs to be backed up by some code. :) | 11:36 |
| superm1 | neat i likey | 11:37 |
| superm1 | the code is the fun part anyway gardengnome :) | 11:37 |
| gardengnome | heh | 11:37 |
| gardengnome | debconf templates are easy | 11:37 |
| gardengnome | i almost went postal because my debconf will only show stuff with priority "critical" | 11:37 |
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| DaveMorris | superm1: I was chatting with the guys in #mythtv, basically they won't entertain any bugs which aren't for the laetst release, so I'm gonna reject some of the bugs which need to go upstream on LP | 11:58 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, by latest release, that means 0.20 | 12:03 |
| superm1 | correct | 12:03 |
| superm1 | guys i just sent a PM to the ubuntuforums admins | 12:09 |
| superm1 | about getting a subforum for mythbuntu | 12:09 |
| superm1 | as we get closer to a release, we will need to prepare docs and be ready to answer questions and such in the subforum | 12:09 |
| superm1 | (assuming they +1 it) | 12:09 |
| Daviey | arg! | 12:11 |
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| superm1 | haha | 12:11 |
| superm1 | look at it this way - the better the release, the less you need to frequent the forums ;) | 12:11 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: yeah 0.20 | 12:11 |
| superm1 | I would agree with them on scapping all 0.19 bugs then, its just not feasible to look back | 12:12 |
| superm1 | wait a sec. Ubuntu didnt have 0.19 packages | 12:12 |
| superm1 | made | 12:12 |
| DaveMorris | #66659 | 12:13 |
| superm1 | bug 66659 | 12:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 66659 in mythtv "mythtv-setup crashes when scanning ATSC channels" [Low,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66659 | 12:13 |
| DaveMorris | bug 66659 | 12:13 |
| DaveMorris | damm you beat me to it | 12:13 |
| superm1 | but it has been reproduced in 0.20 | 12:13 |
| superm1 | (On feisty) | 12:13 |
| superm1 | so wouldnt that make it a 0.20 bug? | 12:14 |
| DaveMorris | yes, well spotted, I'l post it upstream | 12:14 |
| superm1 | well i would wait | 12:14 |
| superm1 | it will be rejected | 12:14 |
| superm1 | no backtrace | 12:15 |
| superm1 | as discussed in #mythtv earlier, apport can be of value to them only if its in the bugs we submit | 12:15 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, ^ hopefully you read that before you finish submitting :) | 12:17 |
| DaveMorris | how long should we give users to provide info back before closing the bugs | 12:18 |
| superm1 | 68 days | 12:21 |
| DaveMorris | why 68 days? | 12:22 |
| superm1 | Seems like an adequate amount of time? | 12:23 |
| DaveMorris | just helps to stop stale bugs sitting around | 12:23 |
| superm1 | i'd say poke in #ubuntu-bugs | 12:23 |
| superm1 | and see what the standard is | 12:23 |
| DaveMorris | good idea | 12:23 |
| DaveMorris | bdmurray: ~4 weeks | 12:25 |
| superm1 | so 34 days? | 12:26 |
| superm1 | (just to make my number not seem so bad) | 12:26 |
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