[12:32] gardengnome: your still working on that eh? [12:33] i haven't started yet. :) [12:33] how do you guys test mythtv with gutsy yet keep the other 1/2 happy? [12:33] DaveMorris: i don't. [12:33] my mythtv box is still not ready for the living room. sadly. [12:34] and there's no way i'd be touching a precious produtction mythtv box to test beta software. :) [12:34] well mine is as my g/f dosen't live with me [12:34] DaveMorris: i don't atm.. I'd get in so much trouble if i knackered it. Soon i should get a spare box to work with tho [12:35] DaveMorris: the GF doesn't live with me either but i still don't want that noisy thing in here. [12:35] yeah I've been thinking I need to run a areial cable into my cabinet and setup a spare machine with my Nova 500 card [12:35] DaveMorris: besides, we already have enough fights over the remote. i don't want to add any "you broke the TV!!" :> [12:36] mines quiet :) an old p400 for a backend and a mini-itx for the front end - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/mythtv-my-setup/ [12:36] I ran a CAT5 & Ariel cable down the side of the house - when i first set it up. I had a combined FE&BE in lounge. Then when i split them up the arial cable became redundant as the BE is in the loft/attic [12:36] DaveMorris: i always have trouble with HDD vibrations. [12:37] noise wise? [12:37] yes. [12:37] gardengnome: we have 2 remotes! [12:37] in most of my boxes. [12:37] can you really hear them over the TV/Music === DaveMorris has learnt to ignore pc noise as he has about 5 turned on in his bedroom all the time [12:38] DaveMorris: i'm rather sensitive wrt to noise. i get *lots* of vibration in my cheiftec case and even more in the cheap old case the GF gave to me. [12:38] i made a spiffy decoupling hdd cage but something is wrong with the case. the mainboard acts up if it's in there. [12:39] DaveMorris, it doesnt pull anything via wget yet [12:39] but i think thats the only solution [12:39] for firmware [12:39] unless we have a redistribution licens [12:40] that case even has nase insulation. i guess i fiddled too much with it and now it's either a EM problem or the case bends the mainboard. [12:40] Daviey, who did you talk to to get your blog on the planet? [12:41] DaveMorris: *five* pcs in your bed room? [12:42] yeah [12:42] s/nase/noise/ [12:42] DaveMorris, i was thikning a little more about it, i think that for firmware i might write a seperate app [12:42] in gtk [12:42] DaveMorris: wow. that'd be five too much for me. [12:42] or pygtk better yet [12:43] and then have ubiquity for mythbuntu depend on it and use its python functionality [12:43] DaveMorris: i do have a separate bed room and tinkering room, though. [12:43] <- snob. [12:43] FW, xen host, spare xen host powered down, 2 rackmount swtiches, backup server, desktop, 2 more machines powered down, laptop, then in the livining room, myth backend, myth frontend [12:43] superm1: you edit the bzr branch [12:43] that way Daviey can use it also in the mythbuntu control panel he will be writing too [12:43] Daviey, yup we're at revno 38 right now [12:43] as of last night [12:43] gardengnome: I live in a 2bed flat with my bro [12:43] superm1: naa.. i mean for ubuntu planet. [12:43] oh thats it? [12:43] and your on? [12:44] yep [12:44] you edit the conf file yourself :) [12:44] can you add mythbuntu.org? [12:44] superm1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu [12:44] yeah no worries [12:44] whats the rss feed? [12:44] cool great [12:44] http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml [12:44] I'll add it now, if you can give me a feed [12:44] cool [12:45] use the current logo as hackergotchi [12:45] superm1: You want me to post it on my blog as well? [12:45] about the public alpha 1? [12:46] yea [12:46] Daviey, ^ [12:46] DaveMorris, up to you :) [12:46] superm1: ? [12:46] depends if we just want ubuntu type people to use it for now [12:46] use the current logo [12:46] just ubuntu type people right now yes [12:47] I'll hold of posting it then [12:47] because there is a string of known issues already in alpha 1 [12:47] superm1: ubuntu planet won't have a problem with us adding it? [12:47] I get lots of referers from wordpress looking at mythtv tags [12:47] deb-a-day and behind motu are there, so i would think not [12:47] Daviey, we were given a +1 for the team were we not? [12:47] and some of them can't be sussed until the metapackage mythbuntu-standalone is figure out [12:47] *figured [12:48] DaveMorris, then for sure lets wait until beta until you put on your blog [12:48] superm1: name "Mythbuntu" or "Mythbuntu Team" ? [12:48] hm [12:48] what makes more sense? [12:49] a team giving releases? or a computer? [12:49] i think Mythbuntu [12:49] bug #113438 I can't work out if the guy is taking the piss or not [12:49] Launchpad bug 113438 in mythtv "[apport] mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in GuideGrid::fillProgramRowInfos()" [Medium,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113438 [12:50] its been submitted upstream, there isnt much we can do === superm1 wonders if he can convince someone in -motu to host the class on reading apport retraces effectively that he wants [12:51] wonder if there are any going on for ulive about apport === DaveMorris would attend [12:52] with my luck probably at the same time as the mythtv presentation :) [12:52] it'd be really sweet if we get mythbuntu far enough along that it can be used for the demo rather than ubuntu+mythtv [12:53] Ahhhhhhh. why is my bzr using VIM! [12:53] that's commited btw [12:53] cool great [12:53] will it squeeze in that RSS from this morning now - or does it use the time? [12:54] not sure tbh [12:54] i know if i edit my blog; it doesn't repost - but does update [12:54] we'lll see [12:54] ya [12:55] If it doesn't appear within 30mins - delete the post and readd it :) [12:59] superm1: do you want to quickly remove the blog stuff [12:59] and renter it now [12:59] So it has a new time? [12:59] Can you do that on drupal? [01:00] otherwise it might be burried at the bottom [01:00] eek [01:00] how do i login again? [01:01] mythbuntu.org/usr [01:01] i think [01:01] mythbuntu.org/user [01:01] yep [01:01] 1. You must either be one of the [WWW] Ubuntu Members, or be in one of its member teams (From the wiki page about the planet) [01:01] so we're fine === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:02] Daviey: because VIM is the only true way === defendguin_ [n=supertux@ip5-155.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:03] ello again guys [01:03] hey [01:03] superm1: how do you enter a url in drupal? [01:03] DaveMorris, what were you saying about wget earlier? [01:03] back for another dumb question :-) [01:03] just plain html? [01:04] Daviey, it's filtered html by default [01:04] but you can change it [01:04] hmm [01:04] bug #118710 [01:04] Launchpad bug 118710 in msttcorefonts "msttcorefonts installer script dosen't use the apt proxy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118710 [01:04] I removed the posting and readded it, but lost the linky's [01:04] is it possible to rip a copy protected dvd in myth? I know it can be done outside of myth. [01:04] oh, better fix that :) [01:04] yep - how? [01:04] WYSIWYG editor is naff [01:05] take a look at the source on one of the other pages [01:05] like the download page [01:05] crap [01:05] hit edit on it [01:05] where on there [01:05] and you'll see it [01:05] http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ [01:05] haha your right [01:05] superm1: how wheer you able to ship the other firmware for tuner cards? [01:06] for the hauppauge ivtv, sorted out the license on it [01:06] I wonder what will happend.. i deleted the post then re-created it [01:06] :s [01:06] just that one card? [01:06] or can we ship all hauppage firmware? [01:06] anything supported by the ivtv driver [01:07] DaveMorris, do you need firmware for another hauppaugg card? [01:07] superm1: the read more is kinda naff. click it and you'll see what i mean [01:07] need it for the NOVA-T [01:07] where does the firmware come from DaveMorris [01:07] NOVA-T 500? [01:07] Daviey: yes [01:08] dvb-usb-dib0700-01.fw [01:08] is what I'm using, I googled for it [01:08] kinda "naff"? [01:08] what does that mean Daviey [01:08] oh thats a silly drupal thing, i dont know how to fix it [01:08] so that it provides the whole read on the rss fed [01:09] yeah, read more leads to an identical link where you need to 'read more' again [01:09] poo.. shall i disable the planet feed until we have it sorted? [01:09] ah http://www.mythbuntu.org/admin/content/rss-publishing [01:09] "FULL TEXT" [01:10] good good [01:10] thats what we need [01:10] i cant fix the link since you posted [01:10] you have to fix it [01:11] you have tho :) [01:11] haha yea i noticed later [01:11] How can i change it so it's 'your' post? [01:12] anyone know of a package for 'genisoimage' ? [01:12] its alright if its yours [01:12] not a big deal [01:14] a5benwillis: genisoimage is a package name :) [01:14] or - mkisofs - Dummy transition package for genisoimage [01:16] E: Couldn't find package genisoimage [01:16] oh, ok. I have that [01:17] Daviey, do you know how to change the node of that URL? [01:17] nope [01:17] because the new one is /10 [01:17] whereas the old one was /9 [01:17] well maybe just leave it as is === Daviey has never used drupal before [01:17] so planet doenst freak [01:17] when it sees the new one [01:17] night all [01:17] well /9 should be blank now [01:17] DaveMorris: nnn [01:17] it points to the whole page [01:17] hmm [01:17] /9 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:17] and makes you click to read more :) [01:18] oh found it [01:18] there was a post trimming option [01:18] its unlimited nw [01:18] hmm [01:18] well its set that way [01:18] but not doing it [01:18] http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml [01:18] looks good to me [01:18] jono: hey [01:19] jono: did you have any joy kicking up a fuss about a mailing list? [01:19] hey [01:19] Daviey: nope [01:19] :`( [01:19] jono: thanks for trying [01:20] superm1: were in pole position now [01:20] lol [01:20] we're up there twice [01:20] we aint [01:20] way to go breaking the planet daviey [01:20] yea we are [01:20] oww. we are [01:21] how come the planet doesn't forget posts that get rm'd! [01:21] lol [01:21] ahh well.. twice as much exposure [01:21] haha [01:22] maybe it will rm itself in time [01:22] me hopes [01:22] ah. our contact email still isn't working [01:22] whats our contact email? [01:23] *@mythbuntu.org [01:23] did imbrandon sort that out yet? [01:23] imbrandon: ping a ding [01:23] superm1: don't think so [01:23] maybe we should ask him to move the MX to pegasys === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: Mythbuntu Alpha 1: http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Mon Jun 4 08:25:19 2007 === defendguin_ [n=supertux@ip5-155.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:02] jetsaredim, if you want the fixed ubiquity, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade will install it [07:02] from in the env [07:02] i added it to mythbuntu.org for such purposes === Morbo [n=michael@pdpc/supporter/base/mikm] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["meh"] [09:34] re [09:43] is it normal that we get a *lot* of bug reports which should go upstream? [09:55] depends, I can't understand what the hell is happening with the apport bug reports [09:56] so they may need to go up or not [10:05] what don't you understand? [10:08] talk when I get to work [10:08] so in around 40 mins [10:09] k === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [10:25] why do i keep makign myself unhappy by deleting my bzr tree? [10:25] i'm glad i'd bzr pushed before doing that === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:46] grrr I left my glasses in the car [10:46] have some of mine [10:57] ok the info generated by apport is the debugging info which needs to be run through a debugger such as gdm. I assume I also need to have the source packages installed from the repo's. Now I have no idea how to load the stack trace into a debugger, I've only ever loaded my binaries in and run them till the crash. (I tend to do print lines etc when programming rather than using a debugger still ) [10:57] gdm or gdb? :) [10:58] meh [10:59] you don't need the source packages [10:59] you need the debugging symbols which are downloaded automatically by apport, AFAIK [11:00] DaveMorris: have you read the apport article in the wiki? [11:01] nope, which wiki? [11:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport [11:02] ubotu: factoids [11:02] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [11:02] ubotu: learn apport as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport [11:03] ah [11:03] !apport is [11:03] Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail [11:03] oops [11:03] !apport [11:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono_ [n=jono@88-107-78-128.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:08] heh [11:09] superm1 is busy writing blueprints :) === Daviey_ [n=daviey@cpc4-sout2-0-0-cust715.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:09] his braindump is working then [11:09] yup [11:10] ok, now to find an example of apport and see if I can get it to work === gardengnome tries to get his mythtv and mythplugin tress back into a sane state [11:16] mixing bzr and svn can be annoying [11:29] merging patches by hand is a rather boring task :) [11:30] hehe [11:32] just merging superm1's changes for the mythtv debian scripts :) [11:37] grrr the apport-retrace dosen't pay attention to the proxy settings! [11:40] :( [11:41] far to many packages don't work from behind a proxy ! === Daviey [n=daviey@cpc4-sout2-0-0-cust715.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:45] Daviey is here twice, we are blessed [11:47] yay [11:48] where are the blue prints? === DaveMorris always gets lost when using launchpad [11:48] hehe. yep [11:48] launchpad can be really annoying [11:49] wait a second [11:49] i'm so lost. [11:50] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/ [11:51] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ [11:51] ah [11:51] the project is "mythbuntu" [11:51] cheers, I've book marked both of them [11:52] now i know why i couldn't find it when searching for "mythtv" [11:57] sigh :'( [11:57] i can't find out why this patch gets reject [11:58] it's like i'm missing a changeset or something, but i'm sure it's correct === Daviey [n=daviey@cpc4-sout2-0-0-cust715.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:13] dear bzr, please suck less. love, michael. [12:14] hehe [12:15] while we're at it. same applies to launchpad as well. [12:16] i wish i knew why bzr is committing to launchpad now instead of expecting me to push [12:40] nice [12:40] there's lots of unused strings in the .po file [12:45] .po is the translation files yeah [12:47] yup === gardengnome is busy translating [12:47] how do you generate the po files for translation etc? [12:48] DaveMorris: cp template.pot de.po [12:48] ;) [12:49] http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans [12:49] how do you generate the template one [12:51] i have no clue. [12:51] i was actually expexting to find a translation engine in launchpad [12:51] i guess i don't get muchof such goodness becuase i'm using*k*ubuntu [12:51] hehe [12:57] hmm the wiki on apport is wrong, there is no -d option === Daviey [n=daviey@cpc4-sout2-0-0-cust715.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:38] hi a5benwillis [02:41] DaveMorris: i talked to stuarta in #mythtv about apport this morning [02:41] http://www.pastebin.ca/539969 === Daviey_ [n=daviey@cpc4-sout2-0-0-cust715.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:46] seems like the are willing to have it working with us then === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:57] DaveMorris: yup [02:57] Hi DaveMorris === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey [03:03] Daviey: you actually about yet? [03:04] sorta [03:42] superm1, ping [03:42] Daviey, you have ssh access to pegasus correct ? [03:43] anyhow if you do see what i told superm1 about the mail file [03:43] ( earlier this morning ) [03:44] imbrandon: yes [03:44] kk [03:44] just makin sure [03:44] missed it. [03:45] ohh , there is a new file i put on the server , superm1 has added a few email addresses already [03:45] its in /storage/websites/mythmail [03:45] in the form "user@mythbuntu.orgsomeone@gmail.com" [03:45] tab NOT space [03:45] winner [03:46] it will get synced with the mail server every 10 minutes [03:46] user@mythbuntu.orgsomeone@gmail.comsomeone@gmail.comsomeone@gmail.com etc? [03:46] its actualy working now, he has 3 ro 4 addresses in there, fell free to add / remove more [03:46] one per line [03:46] i'll take a gander [03:46] thanks [03:47] and no not multipal addresses [03:48] hmm [03:48] what shall i have my email addy as [03:48] s'pose daviey@ [03:48] imbrandon: how can one alias be fwd to many people? [03:48] it cant atm [03:49] boo [03:49] i'll work that out later today/tomarrow [03:49] thanks [03:56] imbrandon: is it a cron job that will update it? [03:56] yes, every 10 minutes [03:56] cool [04:04] Just to confirm, it works [04:04] Daviey, yes we tested it this morning [04:05] my mail server has been working for years :) but we tested the script when i put it in this morning [04:05] :) [04:06] what MTA are you using? [04:06] postfix [04:06] scary. === imbrandon hearts postfix === DaveMorris uses postfix === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === rogue780|mythsrv is confused by postfix+dovecot [04:55] dovecot is quite a new mail server then, v1.0 release less than 2 months old [04:56] I just want something that I can host multiple domains with...have users that don't require a unix account, and to have all the info stored in a mysqldb. [05:03] naaah dovecot has been around ages [05:03] I used it on my fbsd server for years [05:05] rogue780|mythsrv, I am using postfix and courier. It allows virtual domains and virtual users all stored in a mysql database. It auths against the database too so no shell login account required by the users [05:05] I'm using the same setup as Paladine [05:05] I use self generated certificates for auth over SLL [05:07] postfix is for smtp and courier is my imapd [05:07] courier supports pop3 too [05:08] which reminds me I need to write a script that adds new users/domains and also creates the relevant directories in /home/vmail [05:09] I keep adding them manually in mysql and forgetting to create the user directories [05:15] Paladine: a nice web page for it would be good :) [05:16] yeah === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:21] can someone please write a patch to commit to universe that will add add 5-6 hours to each $day? thanks. [05:21] that busy ay? [05:23] with my class starting yesterday yes. [05:24] what you studying? [05:24] its just a gen-ed that i've been putting off (All i have left for my EE degree is a ton of geneds and one EE class) [05:25] I finshed my SE degree last year, just gonna enroll on a Masters now since work is gonna pay === n4LR [n=n4LR@mail.trinityvideo.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:27] Can't argue that :) [05:28] it just kinda is unfortunate that i have to break up my day, ibm in the AM, class for 2.5 hours, ibm in the PM, eat, a little ubuntu time and sleep is my life for the next month :( [05:28] just loads of boring writing to do agreeing what I'm to work on and how I'll be assessed for it. I've already done the coding part for it :) [05:28] your working at IBM now? [05:29] internship for the summer :) [05:29] started ~ 3 weeks ago [05:29] cool, doing what? [05:29] well i'm with a services group, so we have a client bring us some layout/schematic work [05:30] and go from there [05:30] so the current project that i'm with i've had to port it to 2 other technologies, update all the docs for the new technologies, and i'm working on models right now [05:34] haha, I just broke the MS Word track changes [05:34] it dosen't track the deletion of a row in a table === DaveMorris grumbles again at having to use .doc for this [05:37] haha [05:37] why are you? [05:38] the course leader wants to use change tracking for it and he can't use SCM + latex [05:39] thats a shame [05:40] all the rest of my work will be done with svn+latex [05:40] latex is on my ever so growing to do list to learn :) [05:40] python is on my list :) === DaveMorris has some how installed the mythbuntu usplash stuff on his works desktop [05:41] well i didnt plan to scratch python off mine for awhile, but all this ubiquity stuff is forcing me to [05:42] has some installed? [05:42] er has some how installed? [05:42] yeah, instead of the ubuntu bootload I've managed to install the mythbuntu ones [05:42] ah [05:42] might of been when I made that amd64 build === lagrimo [n=eric@i53870C31.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:43] once we have the meta done for mythbuntu-live and mythbuntu-standalone, i'd like if you could kick off a build of tha ISO [05:43] but at the rate things are going to be going, i can't say when that will be === DaveMorris if he can remember how [05:44] the process is getting easier, it should just be a manner of sudo ./mythbuntu_install.sh if you dont need to update any env variables [05:44] and if you do, then it will be VARIABLE=blah sudo ./mythbuntu_install.sh [05:44] etc [05:44] I'll need to set the proxy etc in the script [05:44] the build env is getting smarter and smarter [05:45] it takes it from /etc/apt [05:45]