[12:32] <Daviey> gardengnome: your still working on that eh?
[12:33] <gardengnome> i haven't started yet. :)
[12:33] <DaveMorris> how do you guys test mythtv with gutsy yet keep the other 1/2 happy?
[12:33] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i don't.
[12:33] <gardengnome> my mythtv box is still not ready for the living room. sadly.
[12:34] <gardengnome> and there's no way i'd be touching a precious produtction mythtv box to test beta software. :)
[12:34] <DaveMorris> well mine is as my g/f dosen't live with me
[12:34] <Daviey> DaveMorris: i don't atm.. I'd get in so much trouble if i knackered it.  Soon i should get a spare box to work with tho
[12:35] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: the GF doesn't live with me either but i still don't want that noisy thing in here.
[12:35] <DaveMorris> yeah I've been thinking I need to run a areial cable into my cabinet and setup a spare machine with my Nova 500 card
[12:35] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: besides, we already have enough fights over the remote. i don't want to add any "you broke the TV!!" :>
[12:36] <DaveMorris> mines quiet :)  an old p400 for a backend and a mini-itx for the front end - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/mythtv-my-setup/
[12:36] <Daviey> I ran a CAT5 & Ariel cable down the side of the house - when i first set it up.  I had a combined FE&BE in lounge.  Then when i split them up the arial cable became redundant as the BE is in the loft/attic
[12:36] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i always have trouble with HDD vibrations.
[12:37] <DaveMorris> noise wise?
[12:37] <gardengnome> yes.
[12:37] <Daviey> gardengnome: we have 2 remotes!
[12:37] <gardengnome> in most of my boxes.
[12:37] <DaveMorris> can you really hear them over the TV/Music
[12:38] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i'm rather sensitive wrt to noise. i get *lots* of vibration in my cheiftec case and even more in the cheap old case the GF gave to me.
[12:38] <gardengnome> i made a spiffy decoupling hdd cage but something is wrong with the case. the mainboard acts up if it's in there.
[12:39] <superm1> DaveMorris, it doesnt pull anything via wget yet
[12:39] <superm1> but i think thats the only solution
[12:39] <superm1> for firmware
[12:39] <superm1> unless we have a redistribution licens
[12:40] <gardengnome> that case even has nase insulation. i guess i fiddled too much with it and now it's either a EM problem or the case bends the mainboard.
[12:40] <superm1> Daviey, who did you talk to to get your blog on the planet?
[12:41] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: *five* pcs in your bed room?
[12:42] <DaveMorris> yeah
[12:42] <gardengnome> s/nase/noise/
[12:42] <superm1> DaveMorris, i was thikning a little more about it, i think that for firmware i might write a seperate app
[12:42] <superm1> in gtk
[12:42] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: wow. that'd be five too much for me.
[12:42] <superm1> or pygtk better yet
[12:43] <superm1> and then have ubiquity for mythbuntu depend on it and use its python functionality
[12:43] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i do have a separate bed room and tinkering room, though.
[12:43] <gardengnome> <- snob.
[12:43] <DaveMorris> FW, xen host, spare xen host powered down, 2 rackmount swtiches, backup server, desktop, 2 more machines powered down, laptop, then in the livining room, myth backend, myth frontend
[12:43] <Daviey> superm1: you edit the bzr branch
[12:43] <superm1> that way Daviey can use it also in the mythbuntu control panel he will be writing too
[12:43] <superm1> Daviey, yup we're at revno 38 right now
[12:43] <superm1> as of last night
[12:43] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: I live in a 2bed flat with my bro
[12:43] <Daviey> superm1: naa.. i mean for ubuntu planet.
[12:43] <superm1> oh thats it?
[12:43] <superm1> and your on?
[12:44] <Daviey> yep
[12:44] <Daviey> you edit the conf file yourself :)
[12:44] <superm1> can you add mythbuntu.org?
[12:44] <Daviey> superm1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[12:44] <Daviey> yeah no worries
[12:44] <Daviey> whats the rss feed?
[12:44] <superm1> cool great
[12:44] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml
[12:44] <Daviey> I'll add it now, if you can give me a feed
[12:44] <Daviey> cool
[12:45] <Daviey> use the current logo as hackergotchi
[12:45] <DaveMorris> superm1: You want me to post it on my blog as well?
[12:45] <DaveMorris> about the public alpha 1?
[12:46] <superm1> yea
[12:46] <superm1> Daviey, ^
[12:46] <superm1> DaveMorris, up to you :)
[12:46] <Daviey> superm1: ?
[12:46] <DaveMorris> depends if we just want ubuntu type people to use it for now
[12:46] <superm1> use the current logo
[12:46] <superm1> just ubuntu type people right now yes
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I'll hold of posting it then
[12:47] <superm1> because there is a string of known issues already in alpha 1
[12:47] <Daviey> superm1: ubuntu planet won't have a problem with us adding it?
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I get lots of referers from wordpress looking at mythtv tags
[12:47] <Daviey> deb-a-day and behind motu are there, so i would think not
[12:47] <superm1> Daviey, we were given a +1 for the team were we not?
[12:47] <superm1> and some of them can't be sussed until the metapackage mythbuntu-standalone is figure out
[12:47] <superm1> *figured
[12:48] <superm1> DaveMorris, then for sure lets wait until beta until you put on your blog
[12:48] <Daviey> superm1: name "Mythbuntu" or "Mythbuntu Team" ?
[12:48] <superm1> hm
[12:48] <superm1> what makes more sense?
[12:49] <superm1> a team giving releases? or a computer?
[12:49] <superm1> i think Mythbuntu
[12:49] <DaveMorris> bug #113438 I can't work out if the guy is taking the piss or not
[12:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113438 in mythtv "[apport]  mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in GuideGrid::fillProgramRowInfos()" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113438
[12:50] <superm1> its been submitted upstream, there isnt much we can do
[12:51] <superm1> wonder if there are any going on for ulive about apport
[12:52] <superm1> with my luck probably at the same time as the mythtv presentation :)
[12:52] <superm1> it'd be really sweet if we get mythbuntu far enough along that it can be used for the demo rather than ubuntu+mythtv
[12:53] <Daviey> Ahhhhhhh. why is my bzr using VIM!
[12:53] <Daviey> that's commited btw
[12:53] <superm1> cool great
[12:53] <superm1> will it squeeze in that RSS from this morning now - or does it use the time?
[12:54] <Daviey> not sure tbh
[12:54] <Daviey> i know if i edit my blog; it doesn't repost - but does update
[12:54] <Daviey> we'lll see
[12:54] <superm1> ya
[12:55] <Daviey> If it doesn't appear within 30mins - delete the post and readd it :)
[12:59] <Daviey> superm1: do you want to quickly remove the blog stuff
[12:59] <Daviey> and renter it now
[12:59] <Daviey> So it has a new time?
[12:59] <superm1> Can you do that on drupal?
[01:00] <Daviey> otherwise it might be burried at the bottom
[01:00] <Daviey> eek
[01:00] <Daviey> how do i login again?
[01:01] <superm1> mythbuntu.org/usr
[01:01] <superm1> i think
[01:01] <superm1> mythbuntu.org/user
[01:01] <Daviey> yep
[01:01] <superm1> 1. You must either be one of the [WWW]  Ubuntu Members, or be in one of its member teams (From the  wiki page about the planet)
[01:01] <superm1> so we're fine
[01:02] <DaveMorris> Daviey: because VIM is the only true way
[01:03] <a5benwillis> ello again guys
[01:03] <DaveMorris> hey
[01:03] <Daviey> superm1: how do you enter a url in drupal?
[01:03] <superm1> DaveMorris, what were you saying about wget earlier?
[01:03] <a5benwillis> back for another dumb question :-)
[01:03] <Daviey> just plain html?
[01:04] <superm1> Daviey, it's filtered html by default
[01:04] <superm1> but you can change it
[01:04] <Daviey> hmm
[01:04] <DaveMorris> bug #118710
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118710 in msttcorefonts "msttcorefonts installer script dosen't use the apt proxy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118710
[01:04] <Daviey> I removed the posting and readded it, but lost the linky's
[01:04] <a5benwillis> is it possible to rip a copy protected dvd in myth? I know it can be done outside of myth.
[01:04] <superm1> oh, better fix that :)
[01:04] <Daviey> yep - how?
[01:04] <Daviey> WYSIWYG editor is naff
[01:05] <superm1> take a look at the source on one of the other pages
[01:05] <superm1> like the download page
[01:05] <Daviey> crap
[01:05] <superm1> hit edit on it
[01:05] <Daviey> where on there
[01:05] <superm1> and you'll see it
[01:05] <Daviey> http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:05] <superm1> haha your right
[01:05] <DaveMorris> superm1: how wheer you able to ship the other firmware for tuner cards?
[01:06] <superm1> for the hauppauge ivtv, sorted out the license on it
[01:06] <Daviey> I wonder what will happend.. i deleted the post then re-created it
[01:06] <Daviey> :s
[01:06] <DaveMorris> just that one card?
[01:06] <DaveMorris> or can we ship all hauppage firmware?
[01:06] <superm1> anything supported by the ivtv driver
[01:07] <superm1> DaveMorris, do you need firmware for another hauppaugg card?
[01:07] <Daviey> superm1: the read more is kinda naff. click it and you'll see what i mean
[01:07] <DaveMorris> need it for the NOVA-T
[01:07] <superm1> where does the firmware come from DaveMorris
[01:07] <Daviey> NOVA-T 500?
[01:07] <DaveMorris> Daviey: yes
[01:08] <DaveMorris> dvb-usb-dib0700-01.fw
[01:08] <DaveMorris> is what I'm using, I googled for it
[01:08] <superm1> kinda "naff"?
[01:08] <superm1> what does that mean Daviey
[01:08] <superm1> oh thats a silly drupal thing, i dont know how to fix it
[01:08] <superm1> so that it provides the whole read on the rss fed
[01:09] <Daviey> yeah, read more leads to an identical link where you need to 'read more' again
[01:09] <Daviey> poo.. shall i disable the planet feed until we have it sorted?
[01:09] <Daviey> ah http://www.mythbuntu.org/admin/content/rss-publishing
[01:09] <Daviey> "FULL TEXT"
[01:10] <superm1> good good
[01:10] <superm1> thats what we need
[01:10] <superm1> i cant fix the link since you posted
[01:10] <superm1> you have to fix it
[01:11] <Daviey> you have tho :)
[01:11] <superm1> haha yea i noticed later
[01:11] <Daviey> How can i change it so it's 'your' post?
[01:12] <a5benwillis> anyone know of a package for 'genisoimage' ?
[01:12] <superm1> its alright if its yours
[01:12] <superm1> not a big deal
[01:14] <Daviey> a5benwillis: genisoimage is a package name :)
[01:14] <Daviey> or - mkisofs - Dummy transition package for genisoimage
[01:16] <a5benwillis> E: Couldn't find package genisoimage
[01:16] <a5benwillis> oh, ok. I have that
[01:17] <superm1> Daviey, do you know how to change the node of that URL?
[01:17] <Daviey> nope
[01:17] <superm1> because the new one is /10
[01:17] <superm1> whereas the old one was /9
[01:17] <superm1> well maybe just leave it as is
[01:17] <superm1> so planet doenst freak
[01:17] <superm1> when it sees the new one
[01:17] <DaveMorris> night all
[01:17] <Daviey> well /9 should be blank now
[01:17] <Daviey> DaveMorris: nnn
[01:17] <superm1> it points to the whole page
[01:17] <Daviey> hmm
[01:17] <superm1>  /9
[01:17] <superm1> and makes you click to read more :)
[01:18] <superm1> oh found it
[01:18] <superm1> there was a post trimming option
[01:18] <superm1> its unlimited nw
[01:18] <Daviey> hmm
[01:18] <superm1> well its set that way
[01:18] <superm1> but not doing it
[01:18] <Daviey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml
[01:18] <Daviey> looks good to me
[01:18] <Daviey> jono: hey
[01:19] <Daviey> jono: did you have any joy kicking up a fuss about a mailing list?
[01:19] <jono> hey
[01:19] <jono> Daviey: nope
[01:19] <Daviey> :`(
[01:19] <Daviey> jono: thanks for trying
[01:20] <Daviey> superm1: were in pole position now
[01:20] <superm1> lol
[01:20] <superm1> we're up there twice
[01:20] <Daviey> we aint
[01:20] <superm1> way to go breaking the planet daviey
[01:20] <superm1> yea we are
[01:20] <Daviey> oww. we are
[01:21] <Daviey> how come the planet doesn't forget posts that get rm'd!
[01:21] <superm1> lol
[01:21] <Daviey> ahh well.. twice as much exposure
[01:21] <superm1> haha
[01:22] <Daviey> maybe it will rm itself in time
[01:22] <superm1> me hopes
[01:22] <Daviey> ah. our contact email still isn't working
[01:22] <superm1> whats our contact email?
[01:23] <Daviey> *@mythbuntu.org
[01:23] <superm1> did imbrandon sort that out yet?
[01:23] <Daviey> imbrandon: ping a ding
[01:23] <Daviey> superm1: don't think so
[01:23] <Daviey> maybe we should ask him to move the MX to pegasys
[07:02] <superm1> jetsaredim, if you want the fixed ubiquity, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade will install it
[07:02] <superm1> from in the env
[07:02] <superm1> i added it to mythbuntu.org for such purposes
[09:34] <gardengnome> re
[09:43] <gardengnome> is it normal that we get a *lot* of bug reports which should go upstream?
[09:55] <DaveMorris> depends, I can't understand what the hell is happening with the apport bug reports
[09:56] <DaveMorris> so they may need to go up or not
[10:05] <gardengnome> what don't you understand?
[10:08] <DaveMorris> talk when I get to work
[10:08] <DaveMorris> so in around 40 mins
[10:09] <gardengnome> k
[10:25] <gardengnome> why do i keep makign myself unhappy by deleting my bzr tree?
[10:25] <gardengnome> i'm glad i'd bzr pushed before doing that
[10:46] <DaveMorris> grrr I left my glasses in the car
[10:46] <gardengnome> have some of mine
[10:57] <DaveMorris> ok the info generated by apport is the debugging info which needs to be run through a debugger such as gdm.  I assume I also need to have the source packages installed from the repo's.  Now I have no idea how to load the stack trace into a debugger, I've only ever loaded my binaries in and run them till the crash. (I tend to do print lines etc when programming rather than using a debugger still )
[10:57] <gardengnome> gdm or gdb? :)
[10:58] <DaveMorris> meh
[10:59] <gardengnome> you don't need the source packages
[10:59] <gardengnome> you need the debugging symbols which are downloaded automatically by apport, AFAIK
[11:00] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: have you read the apport article in the wiki?
[11:01] <DaveMorris> nope, which wiki?
[11:02] <gardengnome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[11:02] <gardengnome> ubotu: factoids
[11:02] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:02] <gardengnome> ubotu: learn apport as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[11:03] <gardengnome> ah
[11:03] <gardengnome> !apport is <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport>
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[11:03] <gardengnome> oops
[11:03] <gardengnome> !apport
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <gardengnome> heh
[11:09] <gardengnome> superm1 is busy writing blueprints :)
[11:09] <DaveMorris> his braindump is working then
[11:09] <gardengnome> yup
[11:10] <DaveMorris> ok, now to find an example of apport and see if I can get it to work
[11:16] <gardengnome> mixing bzr and svn can be annoying
[11:29] <gardengnome> merging patches by hand is a rather boring task :)
[11:30] <DaveMorris> hehe
[11:32] <gardengnome> just merging superm1's changes for the mythtv debian scripts :)
[11:37] <DaveMorris> grrr the apport-retrace dosen't pay attention to the proxy settings!
[11:40] <gardengnome> :(
[11:41] <DaveMorris> far to many packages don't work from behind a proxy !
[11:45] <DaveMorris> Daviey is here twice, we are blessed
[11:47] <gardengnome> yay
[11:48] <DaveMorris> where are the blue prints?
[11:48] <gardengnome> hehe. yep
[11:48] <gardengnome> launchpad can be really annoying
[11:49] <gardengnome> wait a second
[11:49] <gardengnome> i'm so lost.
[11:50] <gardengnome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/
[11:51] <gardengnome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[11:51] <gardengnome> ah
[11:51] <gardengnome> the project is "mythbuntu"
[11:51] <DaveMorris> cheers, I've book marked both of them
[11:52] <gardengnome> now i know why i couldn't find it when searching for "mythtv"
[11:57] <gardengnome> sigh :'(
[11:57] <gardengnome> i can't find out why this patch gets reject
[11:58] <gardengnome> it's like i'm missing a changeset or something, but i'm sure it's correct
[12:13] <gardengnome> dear bzr, please suck less. love, michael.
[12:14] <DaveMorris> hehe
[12:15] <gardengnome> while we're at it. same applies to launchpad as well.
[12:16] <gardengnome> i wish i knew why bzr is committing to launchpad now instead of expecting me to push
[12:40] <gardengnome> nice
[12:40] <gardengnome> there's lots of unused strings in the .po file
[12:45] <DaveMorris> .po is the translation files yeah
[12:47] <gardengnome> yup
[12:47] <DaveMorris> how do you generate the po files for translation etc?
[12:48] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: cp template.pot de.po
[12:48] <gardengnome> ;)
[12:49] <gardengnome> http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans
[12:49] <DaveMorris> how do you generate the template one
[12:51] <gardengnome> i have no clue.
[12:51] <gardengnome> i was actually expexting to find a translation engine in launchpad
[12:51] <gardengnome> i guess i don't get muchof such goodness becuase i'm using*k*ubuntu
[12:51] <DaveMorris> hehe
[12:57] <DaveMorris> hmm the wiki on apport is wrong, there is no -d option
[02:38] <DaveMorris> hi a5benwillis
[02:41] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i talked to stuarta in #mythtv about apport this morning
[02:41] <gardengnome> http://www.pastebin.ca/539969
[02:46] <DaveMorris> seems like the are willing to have it working with us then
[02:57] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: yup
[02:57] <a5benwillis> Hi DaveMorris
[03:03] <DaveMorris> Daviey: you actually about yet?
[03:04] <Daviey> sorta
[03:42] <imbrandon> superm1, ping
[03:42] <imbrandon> Daviey, you have ssh access to pegasus correct ?
[03:43] <imbrandon> anyhow if you do see what i told superm1 about the mail file
[03:43] <imbrandon> ( earlier this morning )
[03:44] <Daviey> imbrandon: yes
[03:44] <imbrandon> kk
[03:44] <imbrandon> just makin sure
[03:44] <Daviey> missed it.
[03:45] <imbrandon> ohh , there is a new file i put on the server , superm1 has added a few email addresses already
[03:45] <imbrandon> its in /storage/websites/mythmail
[03:45] <imbrandon> in the form "user@mythbuntu.org<tab>someone@gmail.com"
[03:45] <imbrandon> tab NOT space
[03:45] <Daviey> winner
[03:46] <imbrandon> it will get synced with the mail server every 10 minutes
[03:46] <Daviey> user@mythbuntu.org<tab>someone@gmail.com<tab>someone@gmail.com<tab>someone@gmail.com  etc?
[03:46] <imbrandon> its actualy working now, he has 3 ro 4 addresses in there, fell free to add / remove more
[03:46] <imbrandon> one per line
[03:46] <Daviey> i'll take a gander
[03:46] <Daviey> thanks
[03:47] <imbrandon> and no not multipal addresses
[03:48] <Daviey> hmm
[03:48] <Daviey> what shall i have my email addy as
[03:48] <Daviey> s'pose daviey@
[03:48] <Daviey> imbrandon: how can one alias be fwd to many people?
[03:48] <imbrandon> it cant atm
[03:49] <Daviey> boo
[03:49] <imbrandon> i'll work that out later today/tomarrow
[03:49] <Daviey> thanks
[03:56] <Daviey> imbrandon: is it a cron job that will update it?
[03:56] <imbrandon> yes, every 10 minutes
[03:56] <Daviey> cool
[04:04] <Daviey> Just to confirm, it works
[04:04] <imbrandon> Daviey, yes we tested it this morning
[04:05] <imbrandon> my mail server has been working for years :) but we tested the script when i put it in this morning
[04:05] <imbrandon> :)
[04:06] <Daviey> what MTA are you using?
[04:06] <imbrandon> postfix
[04:06] <Daviey> scary.
[04:55] <DaveMorris> dovecot is quite a new mail server then, v1.0 release less than 2 months old
[04:56] <rogue780|mythsrv> I just want something that I can host multiple domains with...have users that don't require a unix account, and to have all the info stored in a mysqldb.
[05:03] <Paladine> naaah dovecot has been around ages
[05:03] <Paladine> I used it on my fbsd server for years
[05:05] <Paladine> rogue780|mythsrv, I am using postfix and courier.  It allows virtual domains and virtual users all stored in a mysql database.  It auths against the database too so no shell login account required by the users
[05:05] <DaveMorris> I'm using the same setup as Paladine
[05:05] <Paladine> I use self generated certificates for auth over SLL
[05:07] <Paladine> postfix is for smtp and courier is my imapd
[05:07] <Paladine> courier supports pop3 too
[05:08] <Paladine> which reminds me I need to write a script that adds new users/domains and also creates the relevant directories in /home/vmail
[05:09] <Paladine> I keep adding them manually in mysql and forgetting to create the user directories
[05:15] <DaveMorris> Paladine: a nice web page for it would be good :)
[05:16] <Paladine> yeah
[05:21] <superm1> can someone please write a patch to commit to universe that will add add 5-6 hours to each $day?  thanks.
[05:21] <DaveMorris> that busy ay?
[05:23] <superm1> with my class starting yesterday yes.
[05:24] <DaveMorris> what you studying?
[05:24] <superm1> its just a gen-ed that i've been putting off (All i have left for my EE degree is a ton of geneds and one EE class)
[05:25] <DaveMorris> I finshed my SE degree last year, just gonna enroll on a Masters now since work is gonna pay
[05:27] <superm1> Can't argue that :)
[05:28] <superm1> it just kinda is unfortunate that i have to break up my day, ibm in the AM, class for 2.5 hours, ibm in the PM, eat, a little ubuntu time and sleep is my life for the next month :(
[05:28] <DaveMorris> just loads of boring writing to do agreeing what I'm to work on and how I'll be assessed for it.  I've already done the coding part for it :)
[05:28] <DaveMorris> your working at IBM now?
[05:29] <superm1> internship for the summer :)
[05:29] <superm1> started ~ 3 weeks ago
[05:29] <DaveMorris> cool, doing what?
[05:29] <superm1> well i'm with a services group, so we have a client bring us some layout/schematic work
[05:30] <superm1> and go from there
[05:30] <superm1> so the current project that i'm with i've had to port it to 2 other technologies, update all the docs for the new technologies, and i'm working on models right now
[05:34] <DaveMorris> haha, I just broke the MS Word track changes
[05:34] <DaveMorris> it dosen't track the deletion of a row in a table
[05:37] <superm1> haha
[05:37] <superm1> why are you?
[05:38] <DaveMorris> the course leader wants to use change tracking for it and he can't use SCM + latex
[05:39] <superm1> thats a shame
[05:40] <DaveMorris> all the rest of my work will be done with svn+latex
[05:40] <superm1> latex is on my ever so growing to do list to learn :)
[05:40] <DaveMorris> python is on my list :)
[05:41] <superm1> well i didnt plan to scratch python off mine for awhile, but all this ubiquity stuff is forcing me to
[05:42] <superm1> has some installed?
[05:42] <superm1> er has some how installed?
[05:42] <DaveMorris> yeah, instead of the ubuntu bootload I've managed to install the mythbuntu ones
[05:42] <superm1> ah
[05:42] <DaveMorris> might of been when I made that amd64 build
[05:43] <superm1> once we have the meta done for mythbuntu-live and mythbuntu-standalone, i'd like if you could kick off a build of tha ISO
[05:43] <superm1> but at the rate things are going to be going, i can't say when that will be
[05:44] <superm1> the process is getting easier, it should just be a manner of sudo ./mythbuntu_install.sh if you dont need to update any env variables
[05:44] <superm1> and if you do, then it will be VARIABLE=blah sudo ./mythbuntu_install.sh
[05:44] <superm1> etc
[05:44] <DaveMorris> I'll need to set the proxy etc in the script
[05:44] <superm1> the build env is getting smarter and smarter
[05:45] <superm1> it takes it from /etc/apt
[05:45] <superm1> if you have it there
[05:45] <DaveMorris> from apt.conf cool
[05:45] <superm1> except for the msttcorefonts
[05:45] <DaveMorris> I just patched the mstcorefonts installer to take it from there
[05:45] <superm1> but you know about that :)
[05:45] <superm1> oh did you submit a debdiff?
[05:46] <DaveMorris> no, just a patch
[05:46] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/118710
[05:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118710 in msttcorefonts "msttcorefonts installer script dosen't use the apt proxy (dup-of: 56880)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56880 in msttcorefonts "Not working with proxy" [Low,Unconfirmed] 
[05:46] <superm1> oh neat.
[05:46] <DaveMorris> I'll the other maintainers package it etc
[05:47] <DaveMorris> 3 line patch so should be easy for them
[05:47] <superm1> indeed
[05:47] <DaveMorris> did you do it the same way for the mythbuntu installer script?
[05:47] <superm1> very similar method
[05:47] <superm1> copy in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[05:47] <superm1> to the chroot
[05:48] <superm1> and remove it at the end
[05:48] <DaveMorris> yeah I added that part :)
[05:48] <superm1> :)
[05:48] <DaveMorris> but it also needed it exporting as well for some reason
[05:48] <superm1> i moved the location some things happened though
[05:48] <superm1> like when the removal occurred
[05:48] <DaveMorris> I think your using wget somehwere
[05:48] <superm1> I shouldnt be...
[05:49] <superm1> just msttcorefonts
[05:49] <DaveMorris> if so grab the patch from that bug and add it to the start of the script
[05:49] <superm1> well when we write the firmware loader part (which I started yesterday) - we'll make sure to include that
[05:50] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[05:50] <DaveMorris> I need to leave in 10 ifyou've got anything important to tell me
[05:50] <superm1> not that I can think off hand
[05:50] <superm1> catch up with you later then ;)
[05:51] <superm1> imbrandon, ping
[05:51] <imbrandon> superm1: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[05:58] <bfrye25> hello
[05:58] <bfrye25> does mythbuntu come with NA dvb patches??
[05:58] <bfrye25> or no?
[05:59] <superm1> bfrye25, NA dvb patches?
[05:59] <superm1> What are these?
[05:59] <bfrye25> they allow mythtv to find NA satalites
[05:59] <bfrye25> i am guessing they are not then
[05:59] <bfrye25> lol
[06:00] <superm1> bfrye25, well are they in trac?
[06:00] <superm1> (mythtv's svn)
[06:01] <bfrye25> hummm i am not sure
[06:01] <superm1> or are these third party patches sitting somewhere else?
[06:01] <superm1> if they're *not* in trac, then we dont have them activated.  The best thing to do is submit them on a bug on the mythtv tracker
[06:01] <superm1> to be applied to trunk
[06:01] <bfrye25> oh well then thanks!
[06:01] <superm1> if they apply clean to -fixes
[06:02] <bfrye25> does mythbuntu work alot differntly then ubuntu?
[06:02] <superm1> (and dont break anything) then we can apply them too
[06:02] <bfrye25> or basicly just striped down ubuntu to just work with myth
[06:02] <superm1> its basicaly a stripped down ubuntu
[06:02] <superm1> with a lot of preconfiguration
[06:03] <superm1> we're putting as much of the configuration and package installation directly into the installer
[06:03] <superm1> (as much as possible)
[06:04] <superm1> if you look at the wiki pages, it will be doing all that is done in a standalone backend or frontend on the wiki pages
[06:04] <superm1> !mythtv
[06:04] <bfrye25> wow
[06:04] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[06:04] <superm1> we may also have a DVD release that includes an option to install ubuntu-desktop too
[06:04] <bfrye25> that is really nice since myth is anoyng to install some times
[06:04] <superm1> thats not 100% for sure though
[06:04] <superm1> exactly :)
[06:05] <superm1> the disk can also be used as a live frontend
[06:05] <bfrye25> when will the final be out?
[06:05] <superm1> at the rate things are going right now, we'll have a release at the same time as gutsy
[06:05] <superm1> but if they pick up, then it might be sooner
[06:05] <bfrye25> oh when is that expected? i am out of the loop
[06:06] <superm1> oct
[06:07] <bfrye25> oh nice! i look forward to it!!!
[06:07] <superm1> bfrye25, take a look at the alpha if your inclined
[06:07] <superm1> we'd love any input
[06:08] <superm1> gardengnome, we're going to need to add apport support to mythbuntu somehow aren't we....
[06:11] <superm1> gardengnome, I read that transcript from this morning in #mythtv.  Thats good that they are willing to work with us on the apport business
[06:16] <bfrye25> nice! well then i will give it a go and see how i like it :D
[06:16] <bfrye25> thanks
[06:44] <gardengnome> re
[06:44] <gardengnome> superm1: yes.
[06:44] <gardengnome> http://www.pastebin.ca/539969
[06:48] <gardengnome> err
[06:48] <gardengnome> sorry
[06:48] <superm1> gardengnome, any ideas how to get those top 3 missing lines?
[06:48] <gardengnome> i thought you wanted to read that
[06:48] <superm1> Read it earlier :)
[06:48] <gardengnome> superm1: i have no clue :) do they show up in other backtraces generated by apport?
[06:50] <superm1> see i thought that this tells all that is needed: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7357901/ThreadStacktrace.txt
[06:50] <superm1> but perhaps now
[06:50] <superm1> not
[06:51] <superm1> better yet
[06:51] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7709837/%3Cfdopen%3E
[06:51] <superm1> that gives line numbers and all
[06:51] <superm1> after the retrace service goes through
[06:52] <superm1> gardengnome,  could you poke in mythtv-users a bit more
[06:52] <superm1> er mythtv
[06:52] <gardengnome> sure
[06:52] <gardengnome> i'm in a meeting right now
[06:52] <superm1> and see if they knew about the strack retrace service
[06:52] <gardengnome> superm1: i believe they know about it
[06:52] <superm1> I just dont see what more they need though then that?
[06:53] <superm1> because the bug title has the type of fault
[06:53] <superm1> SIGSEGV ex
[06:53] <superm1> tells you the functions active
[06:53] <superm1> and the line numbers
[06:53] <gardengnome> they need to know the exact thread where it failed. and the line number, probably.
[06:53] <gardengnome> you can have a bunch of threads doing very similar things
[06:54] <gardengnome> like two concurrent recordings
[06:54] <superm1> indeed
[06:54] <superm1> so in that bug i showed you
[06:54] <gardengnome> and it sees that our back trace doesn't provide that information
[06:54] <superm1> 107882
[06:54] <superm1> bug 107882
[06:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107882 in mythtv "[apport]  mythbackend crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_unlock_usercnt()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107882
[06:54] <superm1> the thread name is in the title
[06:54] <gardengnome> hum
[06:54] <gardengnome> indeed.
[06:54] <superm1> __pthrex_mutex_unlock_usercnt()
[06:54] <superm1> and that other link
[06:55] <superm1> shows exactly Thread 1 (process 5971)
[06:55] <superm1> with __pthread_mutex_unlock_usercnt()
[06:55] <superm1> so even further: #4  0xb7c034e5 in DVBRecorder::RunDummyVideo (this=0x83448c0) at dvbrecorder.cpp:1301
[06:56] <superm1> line number and function name
[06:57] <gardengnome> yup.
[06:57] <gardengnome> we should look at a backtrace they consider to be a good BT
[06:57] <superm1> I really think its just that mythtv devs aren't used to looking at it presented this way
[06:57] <superm1> because gdb puts it out way less informatively
[06:59] <superm1> I've got to run to class again today in a min or two, otherwise i'd poke in there myself about this.  Use that bug for an example when you get out of your meeting and can poke around again
[07:00] <gardengnome> i'm locked into a room with three smokers. my brain capacity is not that great right now...
[07:00] <gardengnome> yup
[07:00] <superm1> lol
[07:00] <gardengnome> i hope i can find time
[07:00] <gardengnome> heh
[07:00] <superm1> leave me a note if you do, if not i'll try to poke in there later
[07:00] <gardengnome> i used to smoke for like 8 years
[07:00] <gardengnome> now it sucks
[07:00] <gardengnome> yup :)
[07:00] <superm1> Cya later
[07:00] <gardengnome> you'd be the better choice anyways
[07:01] <gardengnome> much more knowledgeable ;)
[08:10] <a5benwillis> any bsd users out there?
[09:55] <superm1> gardengnome, didnt poke in #mythtv yet did you?
[09:55] <gardengnome> superm1: i'm on it
[09:56] <superm1> should i join right now?
[09:56] <superm1> or you already started or what?
[09:56] <gardengnome> superm1: i'd appreciate it if you joined in. i'll pastebin the conversation for you.
[09:56] <superm1> pastebin it, i'll read and then join
[09:57] <gardengnome> http://www.pastebin.ca/542296
[09:57] <gardengnome> the clock is wrong. the conversation is taking place right now
[09:59] <superm1> well it looks like stuarta gave the ok that things really are there
[09:59] <superm1> its just that gdb makes the summary and he is used to that
[09:59] <gardengnome> true. maybe apport is just stripping it
[10:02] <gardengnome> this stuff is just above my head. :)
[10:02] <superm1> well its hovering on top of my head and touching down every few min too
[10:02] <gardengnome> heh
[10:02] <gardengnome> too many files, too many open tabs, too many "pessimisations", too many 2line numbers" ;)
[10:12] <superm1> keescook, as its looking, i dont think i'll be getting MOTU this time around. :(  Would you be able to look over the diff of the mythtv bzr branch then since last build, and sponsor another upload?
[10:12] <superm1> keescook, fixes the show stopper bug 118705 and a few others
[10:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118705 in mythtv "Gutsy MythTV depends on ntp-simple, which don't exist" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118705
[10:18] <superm1> gardengnome, i'm not sure if apport will grab dbgsym packages from third party repositories though
[10:18] <superm1> i have support to build them in my local pbuilder
[10:18] <superm1> but we will have to poke around about that
[10:18] <gardengnome> yup
[10:18] <gardengnome> we can still bribe people into doing stuf for us, you know
[10:19] <superm1> gardengnome, we need to find pitti
[10:19] <superm1> and give him this conversation
[10:19] <superm1> and see if apport can file directly to mythtv tracker
[10:19] <gardengnome> heh
[10:19] <superm1> in the format they want
[10:19] <superm1> similar to how gnome does it
[10:19] <superm1> directly to bugs.gnome.org
[10:19] <gardengnome> this feels like some kind of computer game where i'm given tasks and hints everywhere and need to finish quests
[10:19] <gardengnome> it's fun ;)
[10:20] <superm1> lol i know what you mean
[10:20] <superm1> its felt that way the last month or so for me too
[10:21] <superm1> kinda like a big MMORPG where your group of people come on at certain times, and you can only accomplish certain quests at certain times in real life
[10:21] <gardengnome> superm1: we can't file *all* bugs directly to trac.mythtv.org
[10:21] <gardengnome> upstream would kill us. :)
[10:21] <superm1> well all apport bugs
[10:22] <gardengnome> what about dupes?
[10:22] <gardengnome> i believe they like their bug tracker nice & clean
[10:23] <superm1> does their tracker support adding bugs by email?
[10:23] <superm1> we need to write a script then
[10:23] <superm1> that will just scrub our bug reports
[10:23] <superm1> and submit whats necessary
[10:24] <gardengnome> (my clothes reek of smoke. blech)
[10:25] <gardengnome> superm1: i'd appreciate it if you had a minute for me some time. i translated the debconf strings to german but podebconf-display-po is giving me errors even for the template. seems like a debconf problem to me.
[10:25] <gardengnome> tell me when you have time to take a look :)=
[10:26] <superm1> when i have access to my branch again (4-6 hours from now when i leave work)
[10:26] <superm1> did you do this again -fixes or -trunk?
[10:26] <superm1> packages
[10:27] <gardengnome> i have not committed anything yet
[10:27] <superm1> okay, go ahead and mail me the debdiff then
[10:27] <superm1> i'll check it out later tonite
[10:27] <superm1> superm1@mythbuntu.org
[10:27] <gardengnome> just cd debian/po and run podebconf-display-po -f dialog template.pot
[10:27] <gardengnome> you can reproduce it with the stuff that's already there
[10:29] <gardengnome> or podebconf-display-po -f dialog fr.po
[10:30] <gardengnome> you should then receive a message like laga@prometheus:~/dev/mythbuntu/mythtv/ubuntu/debian/po$ LC_ALL=C podebconf-display-po -f dialog fr.po
[10:30] <gardengnome> Template parse error near `../mythtv-frontend.templates: localhost', in stanza #3 of /tmp/Ov2WcaEguB
[10:34] <superm1> I'll have to see when I have my source in front of me again
[10:34] <superm1> i'll let you know what I find
[10:34] <gardengnome> sure
[10:34] <gardengnome> i'm not in a hurry
[10:43] <superm1> gardengnome, we should look into an alternate build system for now I think until imbrandon has the aurora figured out completely
[10:43] <superm1> i'd like for us to be able to get these newer packages out for those who want them
[10:43] <gardengnome> what's wrong?
[10:43] <gardengnome> ah
[10:44] <superm1> the script to build the source packages is fine and all
[10:44] <superm1> but pegasus is very weak.  a build will take ages if we do it right on there
[10:44] <superm1> not to mention bog the machine now
[10:44] <gardengnome> ah
[10:44] <gardengnome> we can build them locally and push them to the mirrors
[10:44] <gardengnome> using dput
[10:44] <superm1> using dput?
[10:45] <superm1> never used it for such a purpose
[10:45] <superm1> i've used it to push source packages
[10:45] <gardengnome> i think you can push binary packages, too
[10:46] <gardengnome> i need to clean up my bzr branches. the paths are very inconsistent in there ;)
[10:46] <superm1> as are mine
[10:46] <superm1> do you have a box that can do builds for this?
[10:46] <superm1> a server thats on all the time or something to that effect
[10:46] <superm1> and can give up a few cycles?
[10:47] <superm1> via a cron job
[10:47] <gardengnome> i've got mythwiki.de :)
[10:47] <gardengnome> that should be possible
[10:47] <superm1> ah neat
[10:47] <Daviey> coming in half way - are you thinking of a dist build?
[10:47] <gardengnome> we'll keep it for at least another few months
[10:47] <superm1> gardengnome, well hopefully this aurora server will be sorted by then
[10:47] <gardengnome> superm1: i'm just really paranoid over patent/licensing issues ;)
[10:47] <superm1> you mean by using it to build?
[10:48] <gardengnome> yup
[10:48] <gardengnome> <- paranoia gnome ;)
[10:48] <superm1> is it running a debian based distro?
[10:48] <gardengnome> it's running ubuntu dapper
[10:48] <superm1> Daviey, we want to get the weekly pacakges out there,
[10:49] <superm1> gardengnome, okay then it can install pbuilder and do these builds
[10:49] <Daviey> DaveMorris has said that he can build AMD64 packages and push them.
[10:49] <gardengnome> superm1: yup
[10:49] <superm1> ah good Daviey
[10:50] <gardengnome> i can build i386 packages and push them, too
[10:50] <Daviey> I can share the x86 builds.
[10:50] <superm1> ideally it'd be best if the whole process could be automatic
[10:50] <gardengnome> what's wrong? i suppose erveryone here has got a few fast boxes at home :)
[10:50] <superm1> well i'm not sure how to automate it all
[10:51] <gardengnome> superm1: BTW, do we anything debconf-ish in mythplugins? i'd like to add the mythweb password protection stuff
[10:51] <superm1> imbrandon's server was going to watch a folder for when new dsc's show up
[10:51] <superm1> gardengnome, not yet, but it would be great too
[10:51] <Daviey> superm1: i needed to talk to you about myth-themes
[10:51] <superm1> Daviey, shoot
[10:52] <Daviey> Hmm.. if m-t-unoffical is 'too big' - for consistency shouldn't the offical themes be broken up?
[10:52] <Daviey> then have an offical&unoffical meta package?
[10:53] <superm1> well yes and no.
[10:53] <superm1> because the official ships as a tarball
[10:53] <superm1> whereas the unofficial doesnt
[10:53] <Daviey> hmm
[10:53] <Daviey> i see.
[10:53] <gardengnome> superm1: FYI, juski became the official theme maintainer.
[10:53] <superm1> the unofficial is also 5x the size
[10:54] <superm1> for the mythtv project?
[10:54] <superm1> thats wonderful news
[10:54] <Daviey> gardengnome: theme maintainer for mytht?!
[10:54] <gardengnome> superm1: some of the unofficial ones might go into svn then
[10:54] <gardengnome> yes
[10:54] <Daviey> ah geez... better hold out on unoffical then
[10:54] <gardengnome> well, there's still mepo-wide
[10:54] <Daviey> He said he didn't give a stuff about the svn themes
[10:54] <Daviey> then he becomes maintainer?!
[10:54] <superm1> lol
[10:54] <superm1> Daviey, this being the case i think we do have to break up the official
[10:55] <gardengnome> Daviey: some donations made him mellow, i think
[10:55] <gardengnome> superm1: i dunno how it'll all end. ask juski or in #mythtv.
[10:55] <superm1> well if we break it up, that makes the transition of the theme belonging to one meta to another incredibly simple
[10:57] <superm1> Daviey, the sooner you can get the unofficial package done the better (ignoring this possible upstream change)
[10:57] <superm1> it takes some time for archive adminsto ack new packges
[10:57] <superm1> so later changes are easy, but new packages will take a while
[11:11] <Daviey> Right..
[11:11] <Daviey> just had a lenghtly discussion with juski
[11:11] <Daviey> boy that lad can talk
[11:11] <Daviey> There is certainly going to be a need for -unoffical
[11:12] <Daviey> but he is going to try and get _more_ themes into svn
[11:12] <Daviey> - but not all
[11:12] <Daviey> So mythtv-themes will still get huge
[11:12] <Daviey> Also juski has 1/2'd the size of his themes, so that should help
[11:13] <Daviey> But considering it's still gonna get huge - maybe there should be a split in offical anyway
[11:13] <Daviey> But apparently a theme-downloader / on-demand is in the works
[11:13] <Daviey> That's gonna be a nightmare for us :(
[11:18] <superm1> well for now
[11:18] <superm1> i say make the two metas
[11:18] <superm1> if a theme downloader comes out, then i turn off the pages in ubiquity
[11:18] <superm1> fully doable :)
[11:19] <DaveMorris> I've been trying to think of some blue prints all day but I've not been able to think of any :(
[11:19] <superm1> Daviey, i've been thinking a lot about your little mythbuntu admin panel
[11:19] <DaveMorris> got the url's for them, I bookmarked them at work, but not at home yet
[11:20] <superm1> Daviey, i'm thinking gnome-control-center style almost
[11:21] <Daviey> superm1: that's a good idea
[11:22] <Daviey> I'm sure most of g-c-c can be ported
[11:22] <superm1> i might have someone recruited to write the firmware loader backend
[11:22] <superm1> in pygtk
[11:22] <superm1> as one of the options
[11:22] <superm1> and i added initial frontend support for it to ubiquity
[11:22] <superm1> last night
[11:23] <Daviey> cool
[11:23] <DaveMorris> superm1: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware has a good lsit of firmware/cards
[11:24] <superm1> it doesnt list which firmware goes with whta card though
[11:25] <superm1> just the chips that would use htem
[11:25] <DaveMorris> can't we parse lspci to match chipsets with frimware
[11:26] <superm1> probbaly
[11:26] <Daviey> - nasty -#
[11:26] <Daviey> There aren't *that* many cards that people use..
[11:28] <DaveMorris> true, me and Daviey use the same cards and we never spoke to each other about them
[11:29] <superm1> and most US users use ivtv
[11:29] <DaveMorris> superm1: who's gonna write the script for ya?
[11:29] <superm1> my buddy who is jealous of superm1@mythbuntu.org
[11:29] <superm1> he wanted an address at @mythbuntu.org
[11:29] <superm1> and i said he can have one if he writes this
[11:29] <DaveMorris> davemorris@mythbuntu.org ;)
[11:30] <superm1> he interpreted it as a challenge
[11:30] <superm1> so i'll see if he follows through
[11:30] <DaveMorris> superm1: you fancy having irc cloaks of mythbuntu.org ?
[11:30] <superm1> if not, i'll just disable the ubiquity frontend
[11:30] <superm1> oooh
[11:30] <DaveMorris> I can help with the testing in the UK
[11:30] <superm1> ubuntu/mythbuntu/member/superm1
[11:30] <superm1> thats a long cloak
[11:30] <DaveMorris> I need to buy a signal box booster and run an ariel into my bedroom
[11:31] <Daviey> ubuntu/member/mythtv/Daviey
[11:31] <DaveMorris> unless, Daviey can I get DVB on a indoor arieal from around 10 years ago
[11:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris: suck it and see
[11:31] <superm1> ompaul, can you add /mythtv/ to our cloaks?
[11:32] <ompaul> superm1, don't know that we can - I have to talk with someone about it - double barrell and all that
[11:32] <superm1> double barrell?
[11:33] <ompaul> ubuntu does not have a mythtv cloak
[11:33] <ompaul> so it has to be
[11:33] <superm1> oh
[11:33] <ompaul>  /ubuntu/member.mythtv.superm1
[11:33] <ompaul> and so o
[11:33] <ompaul> n
[11:33] <ompaul> but only if I get clearence for it
[11:33] <superm1> ah
[11:34] <ompaul> it is not "normal" to grant it
[11:34] <superm1> i didnt realize there was such a procedure for cloaks :)
[11:34] <ompaul> hehe
[11:34] <ompaul> it is long and ardious
[11:34] <ompaul> :-/
[11:34] <superm1> then perhaps not even worth it :S
[11:35] <Daviey> agreed
[11:35] <ompaul> okay
[11:36] <gardengnome> http://laga.ath.cx/mythweb-debconf.jpg
[11:36] <gardengnome> yay
[11:36] <gardengnome> now i needs to be backed up by some code. :)
[11:37] <superm1> neat i likey
[11:37] <superm1> the code is the fun part anyway gardengnome :)
[11:37] <gardengnome> heh
[11:37] <gardengnome> debconf templates are easy
[11:37] <gardengnome> i almost went postal because my debconf will only show stuff with priority "critical"
[11:58] <DaveMorris> superm1: I was chatting with the guys in #mythtv, basically they won't entertain any bugs which aren't for the laetst release, so I'm gonna reject some of the bugs which need to go upstream on LP
[12:03] <superm1> DaveMorris, by latest release, that means 0.20
[12:03] <superm1> correct
[12:09] <superm1> guys i just sent a PM to the ubuntuforums admins
[12:09] <superm1> about getting a subforum for mythbuntu
[12:09] <superm1> as we get closer to a release, we will need to prepare docs and be ready to answer questions and such in the subforum
[12:09] <superm1> (assuming they +1 it)
[12:11] <Daviey> arg!
[12:11] <superm1> haha
[12:11] <superm1> look at it this way - the better the release, the less you need to frequent the forums ;)
[12:11] <DaveMorris> superm1: yeah 0.20
[12:12] <superm1> I would agree with them on scapping all 0.19 bugs then, its just not feasible to look back
[12:12] <superm1> wait a sec.  Ubuntu didnt have 0.19 packages
[12:12] <superm1> made
[12:13] <DaveMorris> #66659
[12:13] <superm1> bug 66659
[12:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66659 in mythtv "mythtv-setup crashes when scanning ATSC channels" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66659
[12:13] <DaveMorris> bug 66659
[12:13] <DaveMorris> damm you beat me to it
[12:13] <superm1> but it has been reproduced in 0.20
[12:13] <superm1> (On feisty)
[12:14] <superm1> so wouldnt that make it a 0.20 bug?
[12:14] <DaveMorris> yes, well spotted, I'l post it upstream
[12:14] <superm1> well i would wait
[12:14] <superm1> it will be rejected
[12:15] <superm1> no backtrace
[12:15] <superm1> as discussed in #mythtv earlier, apport can be of value to them only if its in the bugs we submit
[12:17] <superm1> DaveMorris, ^ hopefully you read that before you finish submitting :)
[12:18] <DaveMorris> how long should we give users to provide info back before closing the bugs
[12:21] <superm1> 68 days
[12:22] <DaveMorris> why 68 days?
[12:23] <superm1> Seems like an adequate amount of time?
[12:23] <DaveMorris> just helps to stop stale bugs sitting around
[12:23] <superm1> i'd say poke in #ubuntu-bugs
[12:23] <superm1> and see what the standard is
[12:23] <DaveMorris> good idea
[12:25] <DaveMorris>  bdmurray: ~4 weeks
[12:26] <superm1> so 34 days?
[12:26] <superm1> (just to make my number not seem so bad)