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viddPumpernickel, may i ask what they did to get banned?12:43
PumpernickelIt was a bot.12:43
viddah12:43
PumpernickelI was enforcing a previous ban.12:43
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XziteIs there a way to boot Xubuntu using a USB-memory?12:54
viddyou mean like from a usb stick as a live cd?12:55
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Xzitevidd: naw... i want to install from the USB-memory since i dont have a floppy or cd-rom in this little embedded system, and since it got USB and i have a 1 gig stick i was hoping for a solution that way =)12:57
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vidd ah... Xzite I know there IS a way...but i do not recall it....12:58
viddlet me dig up a how-to......12:58
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Xzitevidd: thank you very much, my google skills seems to fail tonight =/12:59
Xzitevidd: this is the system im gonna try installing on... http://www.ipcmax.com/product_info.php?products_id=22401:03
maxamillionXzite: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB try that one01:04
viddmaxamillion, is too fast for me01:04
vidd=] 01:04
maxamillioni do only what i can01:04
Merchelo!info poo01:05
ubotuPackage poo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas01:05
Mercheloer01:05
maxamillionMerchelo: ?01:05
Xzitemaxamillion: hmm... does that guide explain exactly how to get the data to the usb-stick?01:06
maxamillionXzite: not entirely sure to be honest, just found it in a search i did01:06
Xzitemaxamillion: ahh... ok, since i know the system will boot from USB... i just dont know how to get the Xubunto CD onto the stick...01:07
maxamillionXzite: ah, ok ... lemme find you a link for that01:07
Xzitemaxamillion: i mean, it could be as simple as extracting the *.iso to the stick but hey... i have no idea... i'm out of caffeine =/01:08
maxamillionXzite: its almost that simple, i don't remember the exact steps but i will get you a link01:08
Xzitemaxamillion: thank you very much =)01:08
viddXzite, what do you have running on that comp now?01:09
Merchelomaxamillion: was looking on how to add a factoid to the ubotu, for usbbooting01:09
Xzitevidd: nothing at all, got it from a friend for like 50 Euro couple of weeks ago...01:09
maxamillionMerchelo: you would have to ask for permission in #ubuntu-ops01:10
Mercheloahh ok01:10
maxamillionXzite: does that machine have a hard drive or you need to run it as a live session?01:11
maxamillionnvm ... i just checked the linke01:11
Xzitemaxamillion: i have a 2 gig drive installed, and 256 megs of memory...01:11
viddwow...tiny01:12
maxamillionXzite: here is an article that covers many alternate installation methods for people without cd-rom drives and details on each method .... http://www.jonlee.ca/tag/optical-drive/ enjoy :)01:12
Xzitevidd: yeah i know, but i dont need more...01:12
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Xzitevidd: it's gonna play bedside irc/mail/mp3jukebox(if i get the audio to work)-computer01:13
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=== vidd is not one to advise other flavors...but you might want to check out damn small linux....
viddit has a usb-install01:14
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maxamillionvidd: but once the installation is complete, it doesn't offer full desktop functionality, such as ability to install other apps or receive system updates01:15
viddmaxamillion, just enough to get the base system....01:15
viddonce the base system is up and he has internet...he can replace the sources.list with fiesty's sources.list and update, and then get all he wants....01:16
viddits a little tricky...but it works surprisingly well01:17
maxamillionvidd: nope, DSL doesn't come with a fully functional dpkg or apt setup01:17
maxamillionvidd: or atleast it used to not ... they might have changed that since i last spoke with the project lead01:17
viddhrm...01:17
maxamillionit has been a couple years01:17
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(Jester45/#xubuntu) typical windows :)06:42
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) or the library ... which ever you prefer to call it06:42
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) Jester45: no joke06:42
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(maxamillion/#xubuntu) looks like a cool game :)06:43
(Jester45/#xubuntu) whats dpkg's error code 1 mean06:43
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(thirdy/#xubuntu) maxamillion, I just choosed the project type in devc++5 to be Win32 not Console app06:43
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) Jester45: no clue06:43
maxamillionthirdy: yeah, then it probably used some windows DLL and didn't make you learn anything about how the gui actually functions06:44
maxamillionthirdy: you will need to learn to use a tool called glade06:44
thirdymaxamillion, yeah, I saw a DLL pop up in my folder06:45
maxamillionthirdy: it will be the easiest for you to write gui apps on linux06:45
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thirdymaxamillion, Kdevelop?06:45
maxamillionthirdy: http://glade.gnome.org/ .... its in the repos "sudo aptitude install glade"06:45
maxamillionthirdy: don't know ... like i said last night, haven't touched KDE since 2001 and even then, i never used kdevelop for more than a day06:46
thirdy!glade06:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:46
maxamillion!info glade06:47
ubotuglade: GTK+ 2 User Interface Builder. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.12.1-6ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 310 kB, installed size 4936 kB06:47
maxamillion!botsnack06:47
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!06:47
maxamillionlol!!!06:47
maxamillioni didn't know sev updated its reply ... that's awesome06:47
thirdyI really need to get a new monitor, mine is since I was in kindergarten, now I'm gonna be 2nd yr college06:48
maxamillionthirdy: yeah ... that's bad for your eyes ...06:49
AlexCAAHHHHHHHHHH06:49
maxamillionAlexC: that is not a good sign ... what's wrong?06:49
AlexCthirdy:that's dangerous shit06:49
thirdyAlexC, thats why I need to make money, need to buy lots of things06:50
maxamillion!language AlexC06:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about language alexc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:50
thirdymaxamillion, ok Exaile! won't start06:50
maxamillionthirdy: uhmm... question about your "stars fall on" app ... does it constantly write to and update a file somewhere just incase windows freezes, then the user can restart the app and pick back up where they left off?06:51
maxamillionthirdy: really? ... strange06:51
AlexCi need a 2 port usb hub06:51
AlexCunpluging the keyboard is annoying06:51
thirdymaxamillion, nope it doesn't06:51
thirdymaxamillion, is this worth downloading?06:52
thirdyhttp://forumw.org/viewtopic.php?t=67831&highlight=linspire06:52
maxamillionAlexC: i actually think i have like 3 4-port usb hubs around here somewhere ... they were free give away's from the belkin rep when i worked at best buy back in high school ... if i find one i can ship it to you06:52
thirdyLinspire says "The world's easiest Desktop linux"06:52
maxamillionthirdy: Linspire is built off of ubuntu06:53
AlexCsweet06:53
maxamillionthirdy: and you wouldn't want linspire, you would want freespire (the free version)06:53
AlexCmaxamillion: I'm in ausralia06:53
maxamillionthirdy: and i don't care for it much, but you might enjoy it ... i think the click-n-run system is something you would get along with06:53
maxamillionAlexC: oh ... ouch06:53
AlexC:(06:54
maxamillionAlexC: yeah, sorry ... i don't think i have enough money for shipping to there06:54
AlexCthey don't cost that much anyway06:55
AlexCi'll get one06:55
maxamillionAlexC: true06:56
maxamillionAlexC: sorry :(06:56
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AlexCi hate virtual packages06:56
AlexCthey make me angry06:56
maxamillionAlexC: ... you mean meta packages?06:57
AlexCthe ones that just link places06:57
maxamillionyeah ... meta packages06:57
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AlexCpackages.ubuntu.com calls them virtual06:58
TacticalPenguinhello06:58
maxamillionAlexC: oh ... didn't know that06:58
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: hello06:58
maxamillionAlexC: the devs call them meta :P06:58
AlexC:P06:58
thirdymaxamillion, I woudn't want freespire?06:59
xjkxI saw a video on youtube where the desktop was 3d, what i need to do07:00
TacticalPenguinBeryl07:00
maxamillionthirdy: i think you might like it ... it uses KDE and i think you would enjoy the CNR system07:00
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: beryl? ... what about it?07:00
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: oh... nvm07:00
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TacticalPenguinxjkx- lookup beryl and search about installing it, its supported pretty well07:01
maxamillionxjkx: http://wiki.beryl-project.org07:01
maxamillionxjkx: if that link doesn't work let me know ... i just typed it from memory07:01
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TacticalPenguinIve had beryl working on an ubuntu install before havent tried with xubuntu yet but it should still work07:01
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TacticalPenguinYea its coolfor like a day07:01
TacticalPenguinThen it gets old07:01
xjkxit works07:02
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: i've run beryl on xubuntu ... it works07:02
TacticalPenguinOk07:02
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: but yeah ... after about 2 weeks i just became annoyed07:02
TacticalPenguinhaha 2 weeks07:02
TacticalPenguindidn't take me half that07:03
TacticalPenguinHas anybody in here managed to get the source of ncurses and/or terminfo to compile and get them to install?07:03
TacticalPenguinOr know of a better way?07:03
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: well i ran it at work long before vista came out and i work in a windows dominated office so it was fun to be like "oh, look what else your operating system can't do"07:03
TacticalPenguinmaxamillion: yea Its fun to tack on what windows cant do when youre trying to get people to try linux07:04
homebrewcidercan someone please help me get Logitech 250 USB headset workingplease. I can select it in menu>settings>settings manager, but mic is selected and when i select speaker, the setting never stays selected07:05
thirdyFreespire doesn't just take open source programs and "toss them in." There are hundreds of changes made to programs such as Firefox, Thunderbird, KDE, GIMP, OpenOffice, etc. that you'll find in Freespire and the CNR Warehouse programs07:05
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: i could be wrong, but i think there is a package called "ncurses-term" that is what you are looking for .... but i could be wrong, i don't know much of it07:05
thirdythat one catched me07:05
homebrewcideror at least tell me where to look07:05
TacticalPenguinOk Ill try that07:05
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maxamillionthirdy: give it a try, only you can decide what is best for your needs ;)07:05
xjkxmaxamillion: the part on "ubuntu" when talking about installation was incomplete, i installed by myself with apt-get install beryl, is there a "what else to do" in that site? cant find07:06
maxamillionhomebrewcider: i unfortunately have no clue .... you might try googling around a bit or ask in #xfce07:06
TacticalPenguinWell that package exists07:06
TacticalPenguinNot sure if itll do what I need it for but Ill try07:06
TacticalPenguin(its for compiling psptoolchain)07:06
maxamillionxjkx: not sure, its been about 8 months since i used beryl07:06
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: oh ... uhmmm... dunno07:06
TacticalPenguinwell ill try it07:07
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: you might need ncurses dev tools or something for compiling07:07
thirdyautomatix2 really sucks07:07
TacticalPenguinyea it says install ncurses before continuing07:07
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: if that doesn't work ... try out "ncurses-dev" package or "ncurses-runtime" package07:07
TacticalPenguinwait07:07
maxamillionthirdy: yes, automatix is garbage07:07
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: yes?07:07
TacticalPenguinthe folder it checked for in usr/lib is libncurses07:08
TacticalPenguinlemme try aptgetting it with lib on the front07:08
thirdymaxamillon, wat do you use for torrent?07:08
TacticalPenguinI use deluge for torrents07:08
thirdyxubuntu, doesn't have one07:08
Jester45i use azureus07:08
thirdysmart install deluge won't work07:08
TacticalPenguinworked for me just fine07:09
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: ah, yes ... there is a libncurses4 and libncurses5 package ... i assume just using libncurses will pull the latest version07:09
TacticalPenguinDLed the deb and ran it07:09
TacticalPenguinhmm07:09
TacticalPenguini tried libncurses5 and it says its already installed07:09
TacticalPenguinand at the latest07:09
maxamillionthirdy: deluge isn't in the repositories yet, you have to download the deb from the site and install it with either dpkg or run it in gdebi (or just double click, i think gdebi will launch and install it for you)07:11
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: hmm....07:11
TacticalPenguinyea thats what I did just got it and ran it in gdebi07:11
maxamillionthirdy: http://deluge-torrent.org/07:11
maxamilliongdebi is a wonderful app :)07:12
maxamillionlike a cross between dpkg and apt-get ... good times07:12
maxamillionanyhoo, back to your ncurses issue07:12
TacticalPenguinlol an dit has a gui07:12
TacticalPenguin*and it07:12
TacticalPenguinits not really urgent but its been annoying me for a while lol07:12
maxamillionTacticalPenguin: you might want to try installing ncurses-dev and libncurses4 ... just incase it wants the older version or some dev library07:13
TacticalPenguinhmm im trying installing ncurses-dev07:13
TacticalPenguinwow lol 5mb to download07:13
maxamillionwow07:14
TacticalPenguininstalled07:14
maxamillionnice07:14
TacticalPenguinlemem try toolchain now07:14
maxamillionmy net connection is soo slow :(07:14
maxamillionk07:14
TacticalPenguinmines 768kbps dsl lol07:14
TacticalPenguinmax download speed is like 90KBps07:15
TacticalPenguinnext worse thing is dialup07:15
maxamillionwell i am a college student and i live off campus in a college town, i'm 10 miles out and too far for cable or dsl ... so i have a cingular/at&t air-card with only EDGE network coverage in the area, so i get like 250kbps max, average of 150kbps and download from the repos at around 30kbps07:16
Jester45no next thing is ISDN07:16
maxamillionJester45: they don't really offer ISDN anymore07:16
AlexCTHAT'S IT!!!!07:17
maxamillionAlexC: ?07:17
Jester45i know but its the next level up07:17
AlexCDEATH TO LIBSDL-DEV07:17
maxamillionAlexC: LOL07:17
maxamillionJester45: true07:17
crimsunbeats my 56kbps dialup.07:18
Jester45then you got dual ISDN and quad and what mulitpule of it they got it to07:18
AlexCi've downloaded like 140 packages over the last two days07:18
maxamillioncrimsun: ouch ... you uber dev on dialup? ... you are a trooper07:18
Jester45then what.. minimal DSL07:19
AlexCand their dependancies07:19
AlexCand for what?07:19
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maxamillionAlexC: no clue ... why don't you tell us :)07:19
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AlexCto compile a game07:19
Jester45what game07:19
AlexCbut no, simply downloading and installing packages isn't enough07:20
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Jester45i give up after the first or 2nd package07:20
AlexCyou have to sell yourself as a sex slave for two years in egypt and then you still have to port 400,000 binary files without source07:21
maxamillionJester45: yeah, the worst part is i just moved into this house last week and my old place had 3mbps/5mbps for half the price i pay for this stupid cellular air-card07:21
AlexCit's impossible07:21
Jester45?? ok..07:21
crimsunwhat the heck is AlexC attempting?07:21
maxamillionAlexC: wow ... maybe you just need to find a new game07:21
AlexCi'll try to install one that you don't have to compile07:22
AlexCif there are any07:22
Jester45maxamillion: and you have good lantency with it hooked 2 like 4 things right? didnt you say its connect to a windows laptop then to a desktop07:22
maxamillionJester45: windows laptop, router, then 3 different linux machines07:23
Jester45AlexC: search the repo for "game" you will have an hour or 2 of read names07:23
maxamillionJester45: and the windows install wasn't paid for by me ... my work took the bill on that one07:23
Jester45but still each new device makes more delay07:24
Jester45but your probly not a gamer right?07:24
maxamillionJester45: nope07:24
maxamillionJester45: only thing i was upset about is that i had to lower my bitrate on my netradio stream07:24
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maxamillionAlexC: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Native_Games07:25
Jester45raise the cache to like 100mb07:25
AlexCwiki.ubuntu.com/Games07:25
maxamillionJester45: this setup is better than going with satellite internet ... which was my other option07:26
maxamillionAlexC: the link i gave you if from a ubuntu gamers community ... it has a good long list, i've played a few they list on there ... but only the ones in the repos because compiling games has never worked for me07:26
AlexCi don't have access to repo's from ubuntu computter07:27
AlexCi have to usb disk them over07:27
maxamillionAlexC: ahhh ... uhmm, you should remedy that ;)07:27
maxamillionAlexC: why does it not have a net connection?07:28
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AlexCit has two winmodems07:28
Jester45wifi problems im guessing07:28
Jester45o07:28
AlexCthat is my problem07:28
maxamillionAlexC: jeebus07:28
Jester45i had a winmodem/audiocard in one07:28
Jester45of my computers07:28
maxamillionAlexC: usb network interface a possibility? ... won't look pretty, but it will work07:28
maxamillionJester45: ouch07:28
AlexCmaxamillion, i would have to drill a hole in the walll07:29
maxamillionAlexC: wifi not a possibility?07:29
AlexCthat would cost money07:30
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Jester45kinda weird setup has the modem out put then a analog audio line up to a chuck of circuit board that stuck in a pci slot and has output there (didnt use pci for data only power)07:30
AlexCin the networking app.....07:30
AlexCsys>networking07:30
AlexCumm...07:30
maxamillionAlexC: yeah, don't use that thing ... its weird07:31
AlexCto activate a interface do you just tick that little box07:31
AlexCokay07:31
AlexCwhat should i get?(must be compat with dial-up)07:31
maxamillionAlexC: oh, i dunno07:31
AlexCi heard wvdial is a good option07:31
AlexCi might try it out07:32
maxamillionAlexC: i've just never had good luck with the provided network app07:32
Jester45AlexC: there is data over power, i dont know what its called but it uses power line to transfer data about wifi speed. you just plug it into an outlet and plug a network calbe into that07:32
Jester45its a funny idea07:32
maxamillionJester45: ohhhh yeah, i heard of that ... even read a couple reviews about it07:32
AlexCit sound difficult07:32
Jester45nope its easier than wired and wifi becuase it uses the building power lines and you just plug your cable in and its connected07:33
maxamillionAlexC: probably more trouble and money then its worth07:33
Jester45each umm router i think can handel ~20 nodes or somthing like that07:34
Jester45yea.. but still cool07:34
maxamillionJester45: very cool07:34
Jester45now they just need to use that but for dsl... maybe extend the reach a few miles07:35
Jester45or shorten07:35
maxamillionJester45: yeah, that would solve my non-dsl problems ... i am literally like a hundred feet or so too far from the service center07:35
maxamillionand they won't fork the money to drop a repeater because they just don't care07:36
thirdy_hmm, i'll go back to xp for now, haven't start any program, bye07:38
maxamillionuhh... ok07:39
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xjkxStarting Tomcat 5 servlet engine using Java from /usr/lib/jdk: (and then it doesnt open)07:53
xjkxwhat could be wrong07:53
maxamillionxjkx: do you have java installed?07:54
xjkxmaxamillion: how do i check?07:56
maxamillionxjkx: type "java -version" in the command line and tell me what it says07:58
xjkxjava version "1.4.2"07:59
xjkxgij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu5)07:59
maxamillionxjkx: yeah, you don't have sun microsystems official java installed ... you have the gnu version and i don't know if tomcat will run on that or not08:00
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maxamillionxjkx: do "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre" in the command line08:01
xjkxok08:01
maxamillionxjkx: and then try the "java -version" again and let me know what it says08:04
xjkxit said "these packages will be kept: "  and didnt install, should i install the 5? Five works in that08:04
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maxamillionxjkx: sure08:07
AlexCpeh, games are overrated08:24
maxamillionlol08:26
maxamillionfrozenbubble for the win08:27
AlexCtoo big08:29
AlexCfor my dial-up08:29
AlexC:(08:29
AlexCunles................ no, it's too big08:29
maxamillioni sorry... good game though08:29
AlexCi know08:30
AlexCall of them are good08:30
AlexCi just wish i had Broadband08:30
maxamillionyeah ... i had broadband a week and a half ago ... now i don't :(08:31
maxamillionmy new house is awesome though :)08:31
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kikr_hey what's a program to download that can grab the colors from the viewport10:05
kikr_grab the hex*10:05
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TheSheepkikr_: you can use gimp for that10:23
kikr_k10:24
TheSheepkikr_: in the gimp's color picker, there is one icon with a screen and the pipette10:25
TheSheepkikr_: that's the tool10:25
kikr_thanks10:27
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Mercheloquiet in here today02:22
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helpmexubuntu rocks!02:44
helpme:D02:44
helpmedo you guys love xubuntu too?02:47
Mercheloin a non physical way, yes02:47
helpmeits economical but sexyyyyyyy02:48
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bolthey... I installed Network Manager from Add/Remove but it doesn't show up02:49
boltafter a reboot, it's not in my systray02:49
boltnor on the menu02:50
bolthow can I get it to start up when I log in?02:50
helpmelog in as root02:50
helpmeoh wait02:50
Merchelosettings->autostarted applications02:50
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Merchelothen in add NetworkManager02:53
bolttrying that now :)02:56
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low_on_ramdoes anyone know how I can boot into xubuntu using the live CD without the X server?02:57
pleia2you have to use the alternate CD, can't use the LiveCD02:58
boltMerchelo: apparently, I must be root to run NetworkManager02:58
low_on_rampleia2, ok. downloading Alternate CD ... will try and see03:01
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Merchelobolt, yeah, i installed it there, and can't run it for some odd reason03:36
bolthow can I delete my saved session?03:40
boltI set nm-applet to autostart, and now I get one more of them each time i log in!03:40
bolti have 10 applets now03:40
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boltnevermind. found it03:44
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helpmehello03:45
helpmei uninstalled beryl03:45
helpmeand my taskbar is missing03:45
helpmethe part of windows where i can minimize and close the folder/program03:45
helpmehow do i get it back?03:45
ablomenhelpme, try alt+f2 > emerald03:46
ablomenoh wait sorry03:46
ablomenyou uninstalled (i read it wrong)03:46
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helpmeyeah03:46
helpmethe thing is03:46
helpmeberyl messed up my window bar to begin with03:47
helpmeso i cant properly minimize windows03:47
helpmeby uninstalling it i thought xfce would set up its defaults03:47
ablomenhelpme, you could try Settings > window manager and then make changes there (to the style or button layout or whatever)03:48
ablomenmaybe that helps03:48
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helpmeterminal said03:50
helpmewindows settings cant open with your current linux settings03:50
helpmedamn03:50
ablomenhmm ouch03:50
helpmedarn beryl is a disaster03:51
helpmeso many bugs03:51
helpmeoh wait03:52
helpmeno wonder03:52
helpmeemerald was still installed03:52
helpmewerid03:52
helpme*weird03:52
ablomenheh ok yeah that's weird03:54
helpmeso if i removed emerald03:55
helpmexfce will take over with my windows settings once again?03:55
ablomeni guess so03:55
ablomenyou should remove emerald anyway, so you'll see after that :)03:56
helpmei just removed it03:57
helpmeproblem is still there03:57
helpmethis sucks03:57
ablomenyou loged in and out?03:57
ablomen(and killed emerald? )03:58
ablomens/and/or03:58
helpmeyes04:00
helpmeto no avail04:00
helpmedamn it04:00
helpmethese settings cannot work with your current window manager04:00
ablomen:/04:00
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helpmehow can i bring back window manager settings to default04:07
ablomenhelpme, removing your xfce config files i guess (make a backup!)04:08
helpmehow do i do that?04:09
ablomenhelpme, mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4_backup04:10
ablomenif you want to restore the backup you just do: mv ~/.config/xfce4_backup ~/.config/xfce404:11
ablomenafter you moved it just log out and in again04:12
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radioaktivstormmorning and stuff, this is an odd question, but is there a way to get kde/qt type apps to integrate more nicely into the gtk based environments? i like some of the kde apps but i want my apps to not look like a hodgepodge or themes.04:41
ablomenradioaktivstorm, afaik there's a clearlooks theme for qt..04:43
ablomenso if you use clearlooks in gtk, that should look pretty nice :)04:44
radioaktivstormablomen sweet! i love clearlooks :D04:44
ablomen:)04:44
ablomenkde-style-klearlook - The Klearlook widget style for KDE << i think this is the package, not sure though04:45
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ablomenah now im sure, it is :)04:47
radioaktivstormfound it ^^. i just run kcontrol to change to klearlook?04:48
ablomeni think zo :)04:48
ablomen*so04:48
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ablomendont use kde related stuff though :)04:48
ablomenbut it sounds right ;)04:49
radioaktivstormlol, yeah....dunno, I cant use kde. it feels too bloated, slow and the context is soo confusing X_X, i must say, the app integration is nice though.04:50
ablomen:)04:51
ablomennever liked kde04:51
Jester45i dont like all the integration04:52
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Jester45why not just have a few apps for settings and not, well you open this so you can open that then you can change the setting04:53
radioaktivstormlol, im not saying that i want everything in one place, but i do like how many of the apps recognise that the other exists and can conscript it for added features. while it is nice....i have to say that every time ive tried out kde, i get frustrated.04:56
Jester45why not just have less apps but bigger ones04:57
Jester45and have all the features in that one04:57
radioaktivstormmy personal preference is really fast small apps. im very willing to sacrifice some features if an app does something and does it well :P i think thats what brought me to looking at Xfce04:59
radioaktivstormthen i saw all the tweaking i could do, and got happy. :D05:00
Jester45hehe so you might like gentoo+xfce05:00
Jester45how much tweaking do you like :005:00
radioaktivstormlol! while i like tweaking....im woefully inexperienced. so i try to stick to learning some stuff with the terminal...trying to learn python and doing some web stuff mostly.05:02
Jester45im being conscripted into web design05:03
radioaktivstormreally? hows that going? im interested in doing web design, but i need some practice on the graphical end.05:04
Jester45yea im working on the nongraphical part now05:04
Jester45vidd.homelinux.net:808005:04
radioaktivstormnot bad :D05:06
Jester45there isnt nothing on there05:06
Jester45i gotaa get a registration page05:06
radioaktivstormi know that. but if you wrote this yourself then you must have command of the coding part. but i guess plain vanilla html isnt so bad. do you hand code or use like nvu or whatever?05:08
Jester45hand05:08
Jester45nvu kills things05:08
radioaktivstormawesome. i agree. i always feel frustrated because i have some friends that do design stuff and some of them make nice lookign webpages, but know nothing about whats under the hood. i need to work on making nice images and graphics and such.05:09
Jester45look at the source on that page :)05:10
Jester45very small05:10
Jester45clients request05:10
radioaktivstorm:D and you got the divs to behave with css in Internet Exploder?05:11
Jester45o wait05:11
Jester45thats the old page05:11
radioaktivstormoh lol05:11
Jester45wait... o no its not05:12
Jester45if you download the page you will see i used <?php include ?> on al the sections, each page is only like 15 lines long then the php addes in all real codeing from a external file so the client can edit esiter05:13
Jester45easier05:13
radioaktivstormgood approach05:15
radioaktivstormi did the same with a site i built for my dad a while back.05:16
radioaktivstormhe doesnt use it anymore05:16
radioaktivstormbut its all good :P05:16
radioaktivstormphp calls are really nice for making things less annoying when you gotta make changes to a lot of pages.05:17
Jester45i just dont really feel like finishing i05:18
Jester45tt05:18
radioaktivstormlol. i hate it when that happens. i sit there for a long time and make something only to realize after 8 hours that i dont really want to do it anymore.05:20
Jester45:)05:20
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TehRealNexGen"ctrl alt f1" to access the full screen terminal doesnt seem to work :-(05:26
Jester45if i set 2 diffrent colors on some text is css the winner or html05:30
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Jester45!opme05:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about opme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:35
Jester45oops sorry05:35
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viddlol05:35
Jester45hey vidd05:35
Jester45wanna opme? in the right channel your bot doesnt know me05:36
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TehRealNexGenhey ive got two kernals sitting in grub after i downloaded another one through synaptic. The latest one works fine but the older one is still sitting there, how do i get rid of it?06:09
gangiejoin #xubuntu06:09
Jester45gangle your in #xubuntu06:09
viddyou can either go into synaptic and remove it....or remove it via apt-get/aptitude06:09
gangiesorry new to gaim06:10
TehRealNexGener lol what do i search for06:11
gangielook for linux image whatever the number is you want to ditch I think06:14
viddgangie, ya beat me to it =] 06:14
gangiepure chance06:15
Jester45the gimp is so slow06:16
TehRealNexGenerm whats the number, i cant be bothered to look at grub again06:16
TehRealNexGenthe default for 7.0406:16
Jester45the last number is -1506:16
viddin synaptic....06:16
viddlook up linux-image.....06:17
Jester45and fine the lowest version number?] 06:17
gangieyou need to know the code following linux image something like -2.6.20-15 so you need to look in grub agin06:17
TehRealNexGenok found it thanx06:18
gangievidd one all06:18
viddno...he will find two of them in synaptic selected....06:18
TehRealNexGenyeah i found two, -15 and -1606:18
viddhe just needs to choose "completely remove" the lowest version number06:18
gangieyep sorry brain fade your right vidd06:19
viddgangie, we all have them06:19
viddits when you dont recover from them that you have a problem06:20
gangieI think I've got a problem then06:20
TehRealNexGenyep done it rebooting if i dont come back then it didnt work lol06:20
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gangieme bruvver has old laptop with win 98 on I think its about 233meg and 5gig hd  Xubuntu see him right. remembered what I came for now :)06:22
TehRealNexGenyep it worked06:22
TehRealNexGenand ctrl alt fn finally works again woot06:23
viddcool...what does that do?06:24
Jester45give you a terminal06:24
Jester45ttyl06:24
viddso its an extra tty?06:26
Jester45no his was broke06:27
Jester45i removed the F5 and F6 ones and put 2 xservers there06:27
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viddJester45, why would you need 2 extra x servers?06:29
TehRealNexGenso guys i have another question when i type top or ps-aux in the full screen terminal (not the emulator) the list of the processes goes of the screen, how do i scroll down.06:30
gangieDont you have to pipe it thru more?06:31
godlessI'm looking for an app to search for files on my system... something like windows search or the spotlight.. any suggestions?06:33
gangiesearch files ? enter   'locate' in a terminal06:33
viddgangie, i think godless is looking for a gui tool06:34
TehRealNexGencatfish06:34
godlessthat's the one I was thinking of, thanks06:35
godlessalthough locate is interesting06:36
godlesshad been using find06:36
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godlessbut I'm trying to search my windows disk actually06:36
godlessand locate doesn't have it indexed... man page open :)06:36
radioaktivstormbeagle?06:38
radioaktivstormoh06:38
gangiestill new to linux hadn't come across Catfish just looked it up06:38
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hyper__chany economist here?07:19
BFTDwhy?07:19
hyper__chjust curious what an economist would think of an article :)07:20
BFTDok07:20
BFTDlink?07:20
PumpernickelWhich article?07:20
hyper__chhttp://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/finance/ip-vs-inflation.php07:20
Kjellvizis it possible to get xubuntu connected to a wireless network that is running without encryption ?07:20
hyper__chKjellviz: yes07:20
Kjellvizhyper__ch: ok thanks07:21
Jester45i think it would be easier07:21
radioaktivstormi used teh network-manager tool from when i installed ubuntu proper then had nm-applet run on startup.07:22
Kjellvizhyper__ch: i cant find "not encrypted" as a choice in the network config, can i just choose WEP and not put in a key ?07:22
hyper__chKjellviz: yes07:22
Kjellvizhyper__ch: thank again :P07:22
Kjellvizman i hate being new to a OS ><07:24
Kjellvizguess ipconfig aint getting me nowhere07:24
hyper__chKjellviz: why not?07:24
hyper__chKjellviz: oh... yes... I remember07:24
j1mcKjellviz: try iwconfig07:25
hyper__chKjellviz: how about:   ifconfig     and     iwconfig07:25
Kjellvizthanks to the both07:25
Kjellvizof you07:25
j1mcKjellviz: i've found this to be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide07:26
Kjellvizj1mc: thanks, that was the next one on my search results hehe07:26
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hyper_chBFTD: Pumpernickel so you are economists?07:29
rothchildhey all how do I edit my applications menu?07:35
radioaktivstormrothchild right click and go to edit menu.07:36
radioaktivstormi think07:36
yotamMediniRightClick -> Settings -> Menu Editor07:37
Pumpernickelhyper_ch: Nope, I'm just this guy, see.07:37
rothchildradioaktivestorm I can't see any of my apps in that menu?07:37
hyper_chPumpernickel: what guy?07:38
radioaktivstormah, if your editing individual apps it looks like you have to edit the xml07:39
radioaktivstormrothchild http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421973&highlight=Customize+Xfce07:40
yotamMediniHow can I save desktop configuration (for next login) without logging out ?07:42
radioaktivstormyotanMedini settings> sessions and start up07:43
radioaktivstormshould have autosave session on logout07:43
rothchildthanks radioaktivstorm07:44
radioaktivstormnp rothchild ^^07:44
radioaktivstormdunno if thats what your looking for though yotamMedini07:44
Kjellvizim getting a lot of failed on translation-sv_SE in my add/remove07:45
Kjellvizwhich means i cant install stuff =(07:45
rothchildwow that's a pain in the a$$ just to edit a menu07:45
yotamMedinino - sorry. For example, I add item to panel. It is not saved unless I logout and ask to save.07:45
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radioaktivstormyotamMedini, you mean it does not preserve your panel like immediately ? hmm....i dont think ive encountered that before. if its the positioning of icons and stuff, you may need to place spacers to keep things from jumping around in the xfce4-panel07:48
Kjellvizit complains that it cannot download, and suggests that the repo is down, but i can surf the repo in firefox07:48
yotamMediniIf I add an item to panel, and computer shuts due to power-failure, next login, I do not have the item in the panel07:49
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yotamMediniIf I logout cleanly - and check the save-for-next-session then item added are respected.07:50
radioaktivstormhmm....not sure what to do about that, but i guess you may have to logout real fast and preserve it that way. not sure. :(07:51
yotamMediniNot a big problem.07:51
yotamMediniFor multi desktop login, say me and my son. Only the first login gets the sound device. Can it (the sound device)  be given to the currernt active desktop ?07:53
radioaktivstormive never encountered that problem before (i only have one account) umm try #ubuntu. ill look around the web and see if i find something08:00
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lusumhi08:02
lusumi have a problem08:02
lusummouse don't work after clicking alt or ctrl08:02
lusumi cannot open main menu08:02
lusumit seem disabled click left08:03
lusumsomeone know why?08:03
radioaktivstormare you using a usb mouse? and did you just plug it in?08:03
lusumqemu virtual machine08:03
lusumradioaktivstorm: all worked very well, i use a shortcut similar to ctrl alt and begin the problem08:04
viddlusum, that is because qemu uses the alt key to "escape" out of the qemu'd environment08:05
viddjust click anywere inside the qemu area and you mouse will come back08:05
lusumvidd: yes i know08:05
lusumvidd: this is not this problem08:05
Kjellvizwhats usually best to use out of win95 and winnt drivers when using ndiswrapper ?08:06
lusumvidd: clicking on start menu08:06
lusumvidd: i cannot use it08:06
viddstart menu INSIDE qemu, or outside qemu?08:06
lusumvidd: inside08:06
viddhrm....08:06
viddwhat is running inside?08:06
lusumxubuntu running on qemu08:07
lusumvidd: is not a big problem08:07
viddon a windows machine or a linux machine?08:07
lusumvidd: is a shortcut activated08:07
lusumvidd: on a linux machine ( kubuntu )08:07
viddare you able to click and open anything else in your qemu'd environment?08:08
lusumvidd: lauch xterm yes08:08
lusumvidd: keyboard don't work no more08:08
viddit COULD be that your apllication menu needs to be restatred08:08
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lusumvidd: i restart virtual machine08:09
lusumvidd: i hoped in a resolutive shortcut :)08:09
lusumvidd: thanks08:10
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MercheloI like my new wallpaper, http://losers.yore.ma/~merchelo/bosd.gif08:11
radioaktivstormlol08:12
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vidd*WAVE*  maxamillion08:16
maxamillionhiya vidd08:16
viddi killed my server =[08:17
maxamillionouch08:17
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test3rhey does ne1 run ne apache sites that has used a link auditing system thats Reading This Right Now?08:34
maxamilliontest3r: not i08:35
ompaul!U08:35
ubotuUnless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..08:35
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maxamillionheh ... that's somewhat funny08:36
bordyheyo folks: Any ideas why my thinkpad 600 running xubuntu wouldnt be able to connect to teh wifi, even after it recognizes the fact that my linksys pcmcia card is in there?08:37
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maxamillionbordy: what is the model of the linksys card?08:38
bordymaxamillion: WPC54G ver308:39
maxamillionbordy: ok, just a moment08:41
bordyugh, may have to do that fwcutter nonsense from what I am seeing. lol08:41
viddbordy, its not all that hard08:41
radioaktivstormoh gosh. fwcutter. i had fun with that one. X_x fwcutter is not that bad, but it helps if you know that your net is using WEP without a password. heh08:42
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maxamillionbordy: yeah, fwcutter has gotten easier as time has gone on08:42
iv1how can I connect to a server such as \\Lbesrv\public\Semaine_ENAC\PHOTOS  ?08:43
maxamillionradioaktivstorm: you can't use WEP without a password08:43
maxamillioniv1: what server protocol?08:43
iv1I'm sorry, what's a server protocol?08:44
Jester45ftp, http, gopher, etc08:44
radioaktivstormmaxamillion, i set it as wep ascii 128 bit, no pass and it let me on. ask mit....who knows why they do that. i spent a whole day figuring that out. T_T08:44
radioaktivstormi think they take your mac address, and then do some crazy magic and stuff.08:45
iv1hmm... I don't have the information about the serverprotocol.08:45
maxamillionradioaktivstorm: i just don't see how you can call it WEP without a password ... but oh well08:45
maxamillioniv1: do you normally connect to that server under windows like that?08:46
radioaktivstormi have no idea.....i was just happy it worked lol :P08:46
iv1well actually, a professor at university wants us to put some documents on this server. the other students with windows can connect without problems, but I don't know how they do it.08:47
maxamillionbordy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/LinksysWPC54G?highlight=%28wpc54g%2908:48
maxamillioniv1: yeah, you need to connect to it as a samba share .... this could get messy08:48
maxamillionradioaktivstorm: fair enough :P08:48
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bordymaxamillion: yeah, thats what I saw too. guess I gotta bite the bullet ;)08:49
iv1maxamillion: do you know how to proceed?08:49
bordythanks for the help08:49
maxamillionbordy: anytime ... good luck! :)08:50
maxamillioniv1: just a moment, let me get you a link08:50
iv1maxamillion: thank you08:50
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maxamillioniv1: do you use only xubuntu or do you by any chance have a mix with other desktop evironments? ... because this is very easy with either gnome or kde because their file managers have samba support built in (something thunar is still working on)09:00
maxamillioniv1: here is a tutorial on how to do it without the need of gnome or kde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComprehensiveSambaGuide09:02
iv1I only use xubuntu, but don't gnome or kde applications work as well on xubuntu? I have for example knetworkmanager or kpowersave etc09:04
iv1maxamillion: okay, I think I understood... then I have to follow the instruction on the link you gave me. thank you very much09:06
radioaktivstormiv1: you can use kde and gnome apps in xubuntu if you want.... i dont know how well  how nautilus works as standalone or if it can....i have gnome and xfce installed. maybe konqueror? although it does some really wierd junk to the default apps sometimes ._. i dont know if dolphin has the samba stuff included more research?09:08
maxamillioniv1: well, if you don't mind the extra hard drive space you can install nautilus and use it for samba shares (i do this at work because i am the only linux user so i have to interface with alot of windows servers) and it works pretty well09:11
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iv1maxamillion: I could not configure samba yet. I have to try later because I have to do some work for university now. thank you very much for your help.09:28
maxamillioniv1: anytime :)09:29
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skarevolutihi09:51
skarevolutisomeone could help me with the auto mount of the cds09:52
maxamillionhello09:52
maxamillionskarevoluti: what's the issue?09:52
hyper_chmaxamillion: I guess he can't auto-mount cds ;)09:52
maxamillionhyper_ch: it might also be an lack of clarity that audio cds aren't meant to be mounted ;)09:53
skarevolutialways appear the popup "Failed to eject cd"09:53
skarevolutiwhen i eject09:53
maxamillionskarevoluti: when you click the button on the cd-rom drive?09:53
skarevolutinop09:53
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maxamillionskarevoluti: when you right click and eject?09:53
maxamillionhyper_ch: lol09:54
skarevolutii dont speak english very well :-$09:54
hyper_chwhat do you speak then?09:54
skarevolutispanish09:55
skarevolutiwhen I insert the cd appear a popup that say: the volume can't be mounted09:55
maxamillionskarevoluti: is it an audio or music cd?09:55
kalikianaAudio CD's can't be mounted.09:55
maxamillionkalikiana: i know09:55
skarevolutidata cd09:55
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maxamillionoh09:55
maxamillionok09:55
hyper_chskarevoluti: there are also spanish channels... but I don't know if there is anyone in #xubuntu-es09:56
maxamillionbah!!! i just realized what time it is, i gotta go to work09:56
maxamillionlaters09:56
skarevolutiok, thanks!09:57
hyper_chskarevoluti: can't help you... for me it works09:57
skarevolutiwhen you insert the cd into the drive nothing happen??09:58
skarevoluti:-$09:58
skarevolutiwhen i insert it appears that popup09:58
hyper_chI dunno... haven't used any cd for a looong time09:59
hyper_chthey are all on my harddisk as .iso10:00
skarevolutijaja10:00
skarevolutithat's cool!10:00
hyper_chmakes the use of them much simpler :)10:00
hyper_chbut then, let me try one10:00
skarevolutiok, thanks10:01
hyper_chyes, it auto-mounts and open a thunar-window and display its content10:01
skarevolutiyes10:02
radioaktivstormwhile we are on the topic, does anyone have any idea why both nautius and thunar both open on automount when i plug in my usb stick?10:02
skarevolutiwithout a window?10:03
skarevolutiyes10:03
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skarevolutigo to configuration10:03
hyper_chhmmm, upon eject a notice appeared... that it has some problmes.. then KIO did unmount the cd and ejected it10:03
skarevoluticonfiguration admin10:03
hyper_chskarevoluti: so everthing seems to work fine for me10:03
skarevolutihyper_ch yeah, when I eject the cd another window appear10:04
skarevolutiFailed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_NC000000Q0".10:04
skarevolutiGiven device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_NC000000Q0" is not a volume or drive.10:04
skarevolutiant finally the cd eject10:05
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skarevolutiumm is a bug10:09
skarevolutihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/9441610:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 94416 in Ubuntu "failure to eject cdrom using button" [Undecided,Confirmed] 10:09
skarevolutiyeah10:09
skarevoluti!10:09
skarevoluti:(10:09
hyper_chskarevoluti: also add your bugreport there10:11
Catoptromancythats pretty common10:12
CatoptromancyI just right click and eject10:13
skarevolutiok hyper_ch thanks! you are so kind10:13
hyper_chskarevoluti: nah, I'm not ;)10:13
skarevolutii like (x-k-edu)Ubuntu because the community is the better!10:15
skarevolutimany thanks10:15
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hyper_chskarevoluti: you're welcome10:15
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DeviadDoes anyone use Lyx in here?11:31
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BFTDLynx you mean?11:36
BFTDoo.h11:36
BFTDI've never even heard of it11:36
BFTD! info lyx11:36
ubotulyx: High Level Word Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 400 kB, installed size 1088 kB11:36
BFTDinteresting11:36
DeviadBFTD, no. lyx11:38
BFTDyeah11:38
BFTDlooks cool11:38
maxamillionDeviad: i used it once a long time ago ... seems like a solid latex editor11:39
Deviadmaxamillion, I can't get \thispagestyle{empty} to work11:40
maxamillionDeviad: i probably wouldn't be of much help, its been quite some time since i even looked at it .... abiword has spoiled me11:40
Deviadabiword looks like shit :(11:41
Deviadopenoffice is not any better11:41
maxamillion!language Deviad11:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about language deviad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:42
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maxamillionbleh11:42
maxamillionnvm11:42
maxamillionDeviad: abiword works for my uses, i don't really do much but type school papers11:42
graziehi maxamillion...sorted the broadband then?11:46
maxamilliongrazie: yes and no, i have net at the house but i am at work right now11:46
maxamilliongrazie: and my net at home is uber slow, but it was the best i could do so i will survive11:47
graziemaxamillion: know how that feels. It's 1 step forward then 2 steps back here too...c'est la vie11:49
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maxamilliongrazie: yup, story of my life11:49
crimeboysomeone can tell me whats package is xfce4-theme-manager ?11:50
maxamillion!info xfce4-theme-manager11:51
ubotuPackage xfce4-theme-manager does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:51
maxamillioncrimeboy: there isn't one11:51
crimeboymaxamillion: what the app to change gtk themes on xfce?11:52
maxamillioncrimeboy: not entirely sure what its called, but its in the settings manager11:53
grazieUser Interface Settings11:53
graziedownload your new theme and extract to ~/.themes then select it with the above11:55
crimeboyi dont have xfce11:55
grazie??11:56
crimeboyi make this extrac direclty on /usr/share/themes/11:56
grazieok...that's fine too11:57
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test3rWHy dos emachines crap box have an INTEL GRAPHICS that will not work  =( I have gotten X to come up once off live cd for about 15min then I get the colorpattern of death. Any thoughts? the box doesnt like the only PCI graphics card Ive tried in it, too.12:17
test3rthe intel one is the onboard one.  yes- i diabled that in BIOS when testing the new insterted pci card12:18
test3rim about to try a del box now with a diff INTEL graphics in it- the 910. i have already saw that things has issues - i hope i read the wrong model number12:19
test3rwhy the heck wont the intel chips take VESA? that is pathetic.12:20
test3rintel crapped on a board and called it a graphics card. ^ ^12:21
viddtest3r, if intel did that...it would be a marked improvement12:21
test3risay-godDaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn i think ur right.12:22
test3rim thinkin that emachines box might get slakt12:23
test3rif i cant get xorg configd correctly12:23
test3rits already got XP on it tho. and i cant get GParted up to resize the XP partititon kus of that intel graphics12:24
test3rand normal tux fdisk doesnt have resize option that EYE found12:24
test3rtheres prob a way but i bet its ugly12:24
test3r=\12:24
maxamillion!language | test3r12:25
ubotutest3r: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.12:25
test3rsorry man- what did i say????   (looks thru above)12:25
test3rbesides,er,,,,,   OK OK i guess thats still a bad thing to say12:26
test3rmy bad12:26
maxamilliontest3r: no worries12:26

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