[12:32] <DaSkreech> Whoot!
[12:32] <DaSkreech> We are getting a new emacs in Gutsy? :)
[12:33] <Arby> Riddell: icon bug filed as bug 118863
[12:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118863 in kdebase "[Gutsy]  extra icons on desktop in kubuntu daily 20070605" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118863
[12:34] <Arby> nixternal: can you confirm when you get back ^^
[12:36] <DaSkreech> !info emacs gutsy
[12:36] <ubotu> emacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 64 kB
[12:45] <Arby> Does anyone else observe broken modules in system settings on gutsy?
[12:50] <Riddell> example?
[12:54] <Arby> Riddell: User management, Disk& Filesystem
[12:54] <Arby> Riddell: filed a list as bug 118864
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118864 in Ubuntu "[Gutsy]  Broken modules in kde system settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118864
[12:57] <Arby> Riddell: also Knetwork manager does not appear in Systray at login, should it?
[12:58] <Riddell> Arby: it should
[12:58] <Arby> right, I'll file another bug then
[12:58] <Riddell> system settings module sounds like guidance breakage
[12:58] <Arby> that would be consistent, I had the same problem as Lure earlier
[12:59] <Arby> guidance update fails
[12:59] <nixternal> Arby: I confirmed that bug
[12:59] <Arby> nixternal: thanks
[12:59] <nixternal> no problem
[12:59] <nixternal> doing iso testing website now
[01:00] <DaSkreech> Bye all!
[01:00] <Arby> Riddell: is the system settings worth filing or will sorting guidance make it go away?
[01:01] <Riddell> Arby: both?
[01:01] <Arby> right I'll file it then
[01:09] <Arby> Riddell: confirmed, fixing guidance solves the system settings problem
[01:13] <nixternal> Arby: are you new around here or am I just now seeing your nick for the first time?
[01:13] <Riddell> Arby: well of course, but how did you fix?
[01:13] <Riddell> nixternal: he was our top iso tester for feisty :)
[01:13] <Arby> Riddell: removed guidance and reinstalled
[01:13] <Arby> having tried dpkg --configure -a
[01:13] <nixternal> Riddell: the name isn't ringing a bell. I was going to say, damn first time I have seen him and he is super tester
[01:14] <Riddell> Arby: mm, right
[01:14] <Arby> which didn't work
[01:14] <Arby> :D
[01:14] <nixternal> Northwind Database rocks!
[01:16] <Riddell> Arby: power manager problem will be fixed in 0.8.0-1ubuntu6
[01:17] <Arby> Riddell: cool, I've left a comment on the bug for how I got around it just in case
[01:18] <Arby> and now I'm too tired to do anything else useful.
[01:20] <nixternal> hey, and his name is Richard...so you know he is good :)
[02:50] <jjesse> wow these girls playing softball are crazy good
[02:52] <RadiantFire> er
[03:09] <RadiantFire> is there a reason?
[03:09] <jjesse> did she cost NW the game?
[03:09] <jjesse> or he?
[03:12] <nixternal> yes she did
[03:12] <nixternal> she missed the tag and lost the game for NW
[03:16] <jjesse> nixternal: it was nice too see new people interesting in helping out in kubuntu
[03:17] <nixternal> very much so. I am wondering if there are going to be any Xandros people coming this way
[03:17] <nixternal> I did read on Xandros forums that some of their Devs and Community members are going over to PCLinuxOS
[03:23] <claydoh> When Lycoris was absorbed by mandriva, quite a lot of users migrated to PCLOS
[03:24] <claydoh> now with xandros folks maybe migrating, it will only add to that distros surge
[03:27] <claydoh> but I didn't convince many (if any) of my former Lycoris colleagues to consider Kubuntu
[03:28] <nixternal> a lot of people are using PCLOS because it is a Microsoft Windows 95 clone out of the box
[03:29] <claydoh> 95?
[03:29] <nixternal> it gives them all of the restricted stuff from the get go, which a lot of people want
[03:29] <Jucato> was, but not so much lately I think.
[03:29] <nixternal> I meant to say XP
[03:29] <nixternal> heh
[03:29] <Jucato> but yeah, it still has most of the restricted stuff
[03:29] <nixternal> it looks just like XP to me
[03:29] <Jucato> they *finally* got rid of that logo
[03:30] <claydoh> heh I don't see how it is Xp-ish myself, but then again I did not find Lycoris to be xp-like either, other sam some colors, etc
[03:30] <nixternal> the theme is, not the kicker, is very XP'ish
[03:30] <Jucato> but then again, KDE is always being spoken of as being "like Windows"...
[03:31] <nixternal> heh, which I don't really see unless you use imbrandon royale kbfx stuff :)
[03:31] <nixternal> claydoh: I know the feeling...doing the same here at the uni
[03:31] <nixternal> and what I do edit, as soon as I reboot I lose it
[03:31] <jjesse> evil network administrators :) :)
[03:32] <claydoh> I do encourage OOo at work, as they just spent $$ on buying Office 2003, and it often has some bugs in very simple documents
[03:32] <nixternal> hehe
[03:32] <claydoh> so I got to go back to using OOo
[03:33] <claydoh> I just convert it all to doc, xls, etc
[03:33] <Jucato> poor you :)
[03:33] <Jucato> well, better OO.o than MS, right? :)
[03:34] <claydoh> I tried to convince the big boss OO was the way, not to spend $$ for the full Office suite for very basic docs and a couple of spreadsheets
[03:35] <claydoh> but he had so many major issues upgrading/setting up 16 restaurants with  new hardware/software he wanted "no more software hassles
[03:35] <claydoh> heh
[03:36] <claydoh> even though our POS registers reports open just splendidly in Calc
[04:48] <jjesse> nixternal: you watching this college world series softball game?
[05:56] <nixternal> just got home from school
[06:29] <nixternal> anyone able to get me a 1024x768 screenshot of the new kdm login? for some reason vmware shows the default box and some blue wallpaper that isn't kubuntu
[06:29] <nixternal> unless of course you can tell me how to fix that
[06:43] <nixternal> wo0t..got it
[07:44] <Hobbsee> uh...who broke guidance?
[07:45] <Hobbsee>  /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager needs to point to /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/guidance-power-manager.py  on the second line.
[07:45] <Jucato> aaah. sssh.. do not disturb :)
[07:46] <Hobbsee> i've no idea why it doesnt
[07:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee: it has been fixed I believe earlier, waiting for syncs and builds I am sure
[07:53] <Hobbsee> right
[08:22] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe1/Kubuntu
[08:22] <nixternal> if you all want to review that...feedback welcomed
[08:25] <nixternal> well, my job is done until tribe 2
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hej
[08:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:26] <Hobbsee> there's still more documentation
[08:26] <nixternal> bah, that has been done since Feisty
[08:26] <nixternal> documentation is less than a weeks worth a work this release (I hope)
[08:26] <nixternal> Jucato: I am concentrating on KDE stuff
[08:26] <Jucato> btw, the kmilo change isn't mentioned?
[08:27] <nixternal> KHelpCenter is my latest project that I am participating with..go figure right
[08:27] <nixternal> orly
[08:27] <nixternal> hrmm, how can I do kmilo in vmware?
[08:27] <nixternal> is there a cheater way of initiating it
[08:28] <Jucato> cheater cheater :)
[08:28] <nixternal> hrmm
[08:28] <nixternal> is kmilo in tribe 1?
[08:28] <nixternal> remember we are in a freeze
[08:28] <Jucato> I thought so. Hobbsee commented yesterday on how nice it looked...
[08:28] <nixternal> alrighty then
[08:28] <nixternal> this should be interesting
[08:29] <Jucato> not really sure if it's in tribe 1, though...
[08:29] <Hobbsee> yes it is
[08:29] <Hobbsee> and its' in tribe 1
[08:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: is there a way to cheat it, so I can show it lowering/raising the volume at least?
[08:30] <Jucato> kinda wished there was a sort of laptop profile for vmware eh? :/
[08:30] <nixternal> that would be nice
[08:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:31] <Jucato> hm... were the konvi changes included in tribe 1? should we actually mention those? :/
[08:31] <Hobbsee> should ahve been
[08:33] <nixternal> I totally forgot
[08:33] <nixternal> what were the changes supposed to be?
[08:33] <nixternal> lookwise, it is the same as feisty from what I can see
[08:34] <gutsy> nasty images ->
[08:34] <gutsy> ahh, here they come...
[08:34] <Jucato> nixternal: the tabs I believe have been brought back to the bottom? and the nicklist theme?
[08:34] <nixternal> nope
[08:34] <nixternal> still tree view
[08:34] <Jucato> hm.. strange... I thought imbrandon reverted...
[08:34] <nixternal> the nicklist theme still has the old boxes
[08:35] <Jucato> old boxes with letters in side them?
[08:35] <nixternal> no letters
[08:35] <Jucato> ah then that has changed
[08:35] <nixternal> gray boxes with a gradient, and then what looks like a + in some of them
[08:35] <Jucato> ah ok...
[08:35] <nixternal> the ones with the + are grayed out as well
[08:36] <Jucato> ok still the same.. no changes then
[08:36] <nixternal> ya, it is the same from when I used it in Edgy
[08:36] <Jucato> really strange...
[08:36] <Jucato> I recall imbrandon mentioning reverting it.. oh well nvm  then :)
[08:37] <gutsy> another thing I notice...konvi is sloooooow
[08:38] <nixternal> any new kmilo screenshots I can steal?
[08:39] <Jucato> none here... maybe ryanakca or mhb?
[08:51] <Lure> nixternal: have added new digikam to Tribe1 page, but needs some love from you (with wiki formating and language) ;-)
[08:52] <nixternal> thanks Lure, I will work on that
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[09:46] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[09:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: your kaffeine upload had a bug in it - file overwrite problem.
[09:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: my kaffeine upload was rejected
[09:46] <Hobbsee> yes.
[09:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't understand the issue in fact
[09:47] <Hobbsee> [16:05]  <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing kaffeine-xine_0.8.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):
[09:47] <Hobbsee> [16:05]  <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/kaffeine/xine_part/pluginsinfo', which is also in package kaffeine
[09:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^
[09:47] <Tonio_> kaffeine_0.8.4-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7964919/kaffeine_0.8.4-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz) was REJECTED
[09:47] <Tonio_> this is my issue
[09:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: was the translations a separate tarball?
[09:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: file conflict shouldn't be rejected by the buildd
[09:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no I think this is the extraction for rosetta process
[09:48] <Tonio_> something has gone wrong with it
[09:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did that reach the repos ?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i uploaded 0ubuntu2, which was accepted
[09:48] <Hobbsee> pitti rejected it, on my request.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> the 0ubuntu1
[09:49] <Tonio_> ho......
[09:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: talking about that I can't understand where is the file conflict....;
[09:49] <Hobbsee> because of the file overwrite
[09:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you look at the debs ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't have that pluginsinfo file in the deb here
[09:50] <Hobbsee> it was foo/bar/ in kaffeine, and foo/bar/bling/xine_part.* in kaffeine-xine
[09:50] <Hobbsee> i do, for kaffeine now
[09:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: argh !!!!!!!!!
[09:50] <Hobbsee> with the new version
[09:50] <Hobbsee> oh no, what have i done?
[09:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I uploaded the WIP version of the package, with a testing patch for the plugin identification
[09:50] <Tonio_> to pass WMP detection.....
[09:50] <Tonio_> shame on me
[09:51] <Hobbsee> so.....
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how broken is it?
[09:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: very ;)
[09:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll upload the good one this time
[09:52] <Tonio_> the one I use locally with success
[09:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like already fixed in the archives.....;
[09:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's the difference between your good one, and the one you uploaded?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> yes, i've fixed the file overwrite problem - how's it broken apart from that?
[09:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: a new patch
[09:54] <Tonio_> touched install files etc.....
[09:54] <Tonio_> well yours might work too
[09:54] <Tonio_> just that the pluginsinfo thing isn't finished at all
[09:55] <Tonio_> but that might not crash.......
[09:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so thaks for fixing.........
[09:55] <Hobbsee> i only fixed the install file
[09:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and sorry for the error....... shame on me
[09:55] <Hobbsee> i didnt fix any buggered patches
[09:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's okay
[09:55] <Tonio_> the pluginsinfo thing doesn't work yet, but doesn't break anything
[09:55] <Hobbsee> good
[09:56] <Tonio_> repeated lots of breakage ?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> so it's not "delay tribe1" material?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance, kaffeine
[09:56] <Tonio_> no issue with kaffeine on that point
[09:56] <Tonio_> at least for kaffeine
[09:56] <Hobbsee> good.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do we need kaffeine-gstreamer in main?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no
[10:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but is it works now we should have it in universe
[10:18] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:18] <Hobbsee> there's no alternate | kaffeine-gstreamer dep on kaffeine, btw
[10:20] <Tonio_> true
[10:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw I have a plan for kaffeine and gutsy, so I'll have to rework on that pluginsinfo thing :)
[10:55] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ?
[10:55] <Tonio_> mhb: I noticed kdesudo doesn't work with the kcontrol modules, switch to admin
[10:55] <Tonio_> mhb: we have to make it to work before releasing anything
[10:56] <mhb> Tonio_: you're right
[10:57] <mhb> Tonio_: have you tried to triage this bug already?
[10:57] <mhb> Tonio_: do you know why it does not work?
[10:59] <mhb> Tonio_: kdesu: Unknown option '--nonewdcop'.
[10:59] <mhb> Tonio_: we're back at implementing options for kdesudo :o)
[10:59] <mhb> Tonio_: (the "kdesu:" line is what kcmshell says when you click "Administrator mode")
[11:09] <Tonio_> mhb: I just discovered it :)
[11:09] <mhb> Tonio_: you should have read what I wrote instead :o)
[11:10] <mhb> Tonio_: this parameter seems to be one of the harder ones
[11:10] <Tonio_> mhb: no time to work on that today, we're ending the french parliament migration for friday
[11:10] <Tonio_> mhb: I'll be finally back in the effort starting next week
[11:10] <mhb> Tonio_: okay
[11:10] <Tonio_> which parameter is missing concerning the kcmshell ?
[11:11] <mhb> Tonio_: it complains about --nonewdcop
[11:11] <Tonio_> mhb: ouch......
[11:12] <Tonio_> mhb: that will not be the easier to add :)
[11:12] <mhb> Tonio_: like I said, a hard one :o)
[11:12] <Tonio_> mhb: but well do it right ? ;)
[11:13] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm sure we will
[11:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: you pinged?
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: that was about the kaffeine issue, but now I know why it had been rejected, Sarah asked for that
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: unfortunatelly, I wanted to do quick and I uploaded a WIP version of the package, with experimental patches I'm working on......
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can kick me if you want :)
[11:54] <Riddell> I'd rather kick xine-line for installing gtk et al
[11:56] <Riddell> xineplug_decode_gdk_pixbuf.so
[11:56] <Riddell> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0
[11:56] <Riddell> that's the culprit
[11:57] <Riddell> siretart: I'd really like to separate that out somewhere, so we don't get a zillion dependencies on the kubuntu cd we don't need
[12:13] <siretart> Riddell: I could perhaps move that to libxine1-gnome, need to check what it is actually good for
[12:16] <Riddell> ooh, yes please
[12:16] <mhb> RadiantFire: ping
[12:22] <mhb> Tonio_: okay, analysis complete
[12:22] <mhb> Tonio_: we need 4 parameters for kcmshell to work
[12:22] <mhb> Tonio_: -nonewdcop, -n, -d, -i
[12:23] <mhb> Tonio_: (do not keep password, hide the command, custom icon)
[12:57] <Lure> Riddell: is current daily-live tribe1 candidate?
[12:58] <Riddell> Lure: no
[12:58] <Riddell> waiting on guidance to be built then we'll make new CDs
[12:58] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[01:42] <Riddell> erk
[02:01] <RadiantFire> mhb: pong
[02:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yeah, almost lost a bunch of patches there ;)
[02:06] <paran> _StefanS_: death by coffee is not fun. I killed my keyboard last friday ;)
[02:07] <_StefanS_> paran: ick, not very good
[02:08] <_StefanS_> paran: I was just mounting a silent fan in a cabinet beside my laptop, and then the plastic-mount broke so my hand slapped at the coffee can
[02:08] <mhb> RadiantFire: hey... long time no talk! :o)
[02:09] <RadiantFire> yeah, has been
[02:09] <RadiantFire> all 2 days
[02:09] <mhb> RadiantFire: hope you're well, but that's not why I'm pinging
[02:09] <RadiantFire> i figured as much
[02:09] <RadiantFire> started work
[02:09] <mhb> RadiantFire: on what?
[02:09] <_StefanS_> wow there's quite alot of new packages to download in gutsy.. 148mb :)
[02:10] <RadiantFire> i'm doing research with one of my professors on Cerebellar Model Articulation Controllers
[02:11] <mhb> RadiantFire: cool
[02:11] <mhb> RadiantFire: so you have little time now, I guess
[02:12] <RadiantFire> yeah
[02:13] <RadiantFire> I've got to go off at like 1/2 an hour, but I'll be here for bit
[02:13] <mhb> RadiantFire: no problem then, just wanted to know how much free time you have
[02:13] <mhb> RadiantFire: I'll be doing some parameter porting from kdesudo to kdesu
[02:13] <mhb> RadiantFire: so that's why I poked you
[02:14] <RadiantFire> ah
[02:14] <RadiantFire> ok
[02:14] <RadiantFire> so he's a silly question. Where is the kdesudo code?
[02:14] <mhb> RadiantFire: on bzr
[02:15] <RadiantFire> mmm... another vcs
[02:15] <mhb> RadiantFire: and launchpad
[02:15] <RadiantFire> so, where exactly on bzr?
[02:15] <mhb> RadiantFire: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk
[02:15] <RadiantFire> ah, and or, what is your goal with said parameter porting?
[02:16] <RadiantFire> sigh, I need to read the tabs in launchpad
[02:16] <mhb> RadiantFire: I wanted to ask why the heck people are afraid of hiding the command name, when kdesu has the option to hide it
[02:16] <RadiantFire> it does?
[02:16] <RadiantFire> i was not aware of that
[02:16] <RadiantFire> I wuold feel like that is a social engineering security whole
[02:17] <mhb> RadiantFire: me neither
[02:17] <mhb> RadiantFire:  { "d", I18N_NOOP("Do not show the command to be run in the dialog"), 0}
[02:17] <mhb> RadiantFire: from kdesu.cpp
[02:18] <mhb> RadiantFire: that's why I poked you, I couldn't understand why people reacted negatively on your patch when you can hide the command with ease
[02:18] <RadiantFire> hmmm
[02:18] <RadiantFire> possibly because if you were just told to "Enter your password" it would raise some red flags
[02:19] <RadiantFire> but if it did say something like "Enter your password to install neato pr0n screensavers." and then you couldn't see the command that would be bad.
[02:20] <RadiantFire> or it could have just been people commenting without looking at the code
[02:20] <mhb> RadiantFire: I suspect the latter
[02:20] <mhb> RadiantFire: :o)
[02:26] <Riddell> ** new alternate CDs up for testing
[02:26] <Riddell> Lure: ^^
[02:27] <RadiantFire> mhb: so is there anyting you want me to do, as soon as I figure out how to get the code
[02:31] <mhb> RadiantFire: no, not really :o) get familiar with bzr and stuff, so we can hack on kdesu and kdesudo unifying once you have time .o)
[02:31] <paran> _StefanS_: Ah. I was only in a hurry when I put my cup down :)
[02:31] <RadiantFire> mhb: ok, bbl then
[02:32] <RadiantFire> hooray! checkout worked
[02:32] <RadiantFire> i guess the more vcs you have to deal with, the easier they are to figure out
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are your thoughts on fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/13497?
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 13497 in kdebase "Locked password on live CD interferes with screen lock" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:40] <Riddell> patches welcome :)
[02:41] <Riddell> it's never reached high enough on my todo list for me to do anything about it, it probably just needs a casper script to echo the right config option into the right place
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm wondering who'd be able to write the patch.
[02:41] <Riddell> anyone with elite bash skills
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm.....
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: btw, i guess i shouldnt say that kubuntu cds are ready, if there are fixes that keep getting dropped in, and/or broken.
[02:42] <Riddell> find the relevant config option for kicker and copy and adapt the gnome script
[02:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: candidate alternate CDs are ready for testing
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i know, i saw
[02:43] <Riddell> so long as you say they're candidates, we want everyone to know
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i meant the "is kubuntu ready for a candidate"
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ie, "are there any other bugs that we need to fix for tribe 1?"
[02:45] <Riddell> I'm pretty confident there aren't
[02:45] <Riddell> we've fixed the ones Arby and nixternal reported last night so I expect these images will be good
[02:46] <Riddell> which is quite a record for a first testing CD infact
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ok, i think i found a quick fix, if its possible to run: export
[02:46] <Hobbsee> RUNNING_UNDER_GDM="True" from casper before the session starts, locking will be
[02:46] <Hobbsee> disabled... (i'll add a real empty password check later too if still required)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> but i doubt it's that simple
[02:47] <Riddell> why does it need that check?  it should always just disable locking (casper only works from the live CD and we always want to disable locking there)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i've no idea.  i know very very little abotu casper
[02:48] <Hobbsee> but that's what i would expect
[02:49] <Riddell> I would guess that test is only so it knows it's GNOME and not another desktop
[02:49] <Hobbsee> true
[02:49] <Riddell> in which case you can check for $KDE_FULL_SESSION=true
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: two questions with that.  a) is it really that simple?  b)  what happens if you were to export both those lines in /etc/environment - do you know if there would be any ill effects?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> and "try it" is not an acceptable answer
[03:38] <lucky_lucas> hi was wondering if's it's possible to switch between two version of flash ? free/non-free, in firefox or konqueror ?
[03:43] <Lure> Hobbsee: I think it is not that simple: I think there is no config file to disable lock function in kde, so coding is required
[03:44] <Lure> Hobbsee: I think I have briefly checked that code when I have worked on disabling suspend/hibernate on live CD through casper for feisty
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i found it
[03:44] <Hobbsee> and yes there is
[03:44] <Lure> yes?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> it's set in kdesktoprc
[03:44] <Lure> I did not look good enough then... ;-)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> it's taken a couple of us a while to find it, though
[03:44] <Lure> Hobbsee: what option?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> under [ScreenSaver] 
[03:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: I suspect it works only after restart, right?
[03:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: so simply adding it to casper would be the way to go
[03:47] <Hobbsee> not sure
[03:48] <Hobbsee> if you put the option into /root/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc, whihc is installed when 22screensaver script is called, before logging into a DM, then i suspect ti would
[03:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: casper is setup before any desktop - I have done patch for powermanagerrc and same way we could add ScreenSaver stuff
[03:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: just download casper source and you will see how it is done for powermanager
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Lure: right....looking
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahh, right, so you've detected it that way
[03:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well you also need to replace the gconf line with something suitable for kicker's config file
[03:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: export which lines?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: which assumes that k-d-s is actually installed, though
[03:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is in kubuntu live cd - this is why I check for existance of it
[03:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: if [ -d /root/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config ] ; then
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Lure: true that.  i'm thinking that we can just echo "Lock=false" >> /root/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdesktoprc
[04:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: You probably need to add [ScreenSaver]  before (as section)
[04:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: unless we already ship something in k-d-s that would overlap
[04:00] <Hobbsee> can i just echo the [ScreenSaver]  first, then the other, or both lines at once, or what?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> id' wondered about the section
[04:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: either way
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hwo could i echo both at once?  echo "[ScreenSaver] /n Lock=false"?
[04:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: we ship kdesktoprc, but no ScreenSaver section
[04:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: you could also code it to be more robust, but I think simple solution (append) is ok for now
[04:02] <Hobbsee> yes, and i hardly think we want to remove it on both live and install?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> what's the more robust option?  my bash is crap
[04:03] <Riddell> nixternal: kdm on alternate CD is indeed not using the kubuntu theme
[04:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: more robust> you would need to check if [ScreenSaver]  section is already in file and if Enabled=xxx is already there and in this case replace the value (with sed or similar)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: point.  at this point, we know it's not.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> as i'ts not specified in k-d-s
[04:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: exactly, so I think we should be fine for now
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i did wonder about just setting it all  in k-d-s though
[04:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: not good, as it would disable it for all users - even the ones added later on real system
[04:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: casper ensures that it is only done for live cd user
[04:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: the chnage is done on FS that is not copied over to real system by ubiquity
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: that was my thought
[04:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[04:34] <Riddell> hi
[04:34] <apachelogger> hey boss
[04:34] <Riddell> (if you're quick, I'm about to reboot for CD testing)
[04:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't you upload filelight?
[04:35] <Riddell> Harald Sitter   (  49) [gutsy-changes]  Accepted filelight 1.0-0ubuntu1
[04:35] <apachelogger> can't find it on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue :(
[04:35] <apachelogger> oh
[04:35] <Riddell> that's a good thing, it means it's been accepted :)
[04:35] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/filelight/1.0-0ubuntu1
[04:35] <apachelogger> ahhh, k ^_^
[04:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: have fun with cd testing then :)
[04:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: it'll only appear in +queue new queue if either the source or one of the binary packages hasn't been in the archive before
[04:38] <Riddell> such as khalkhi.  that needs to be reviewed by an archive admin
[04:38] <Riddell> ** desktop CDs neeing tested **
[04:40] <apachelogger> *closes bug*
[04:45] <Lure> Riddell: rebooting to try desktop cd
[04:59] <nixternal> Riddell: the kdm theme on alternate, has it been reported?
[04:59] <nixternal> I manually fixed mine with the kde-kdm-themes package
[05:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: ?
[05:05] <nixternal> hehe
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they plan to publish the release notes at noon tomorrow or so, german time.
[05:07] <nixternal> cool...I just need to fix up the digikam part and that's pretty much it
[05:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> and the kaffeine part, it looks like
[05:14] <nixternal> I thought kaffeine was complete
[05:15] <nixternal> ahh
[05:15] <nixternal> well that is the kaffeine from the alternate cd..I am taking it has been updated sense
[05:40] <Lure-live> Riddell: btw, no knetworkmanager in Tribe1
[05:40] <Lure-live> Lure-live: it does not get started by default
[05:41] <Riddell> Lure-live: I know, seems to lack the autostart file
[05:41] <Riddell> DPI script also doesn't seem to get run
[05:41] <Riddell> Lure-live: oh and there's two digikam options when I insert my usb disk
[05:41] <Riddell> oodrawing in lost and found
[05:41] <Riddell> fsview installed
[05:41] <Riddell> and kdm theme and background no set
[05:41] <Riddell> is my list
[05:42] <Lure-live> Riddell: ok, but nothing critical for tribe1, right?
[05:42] <Riddell> nah, tribe 1 can live with a few beasties
[05:42] <Hobbsee> like removing the hard drive?  :P
[05:43] <Riddell> open office seems to have started using 16x16 icons
[05:43] <Riddell> hurts my eyes
[05:45] <Lure-live> Riddell: :-( - my eyes hurt even more on this 145 DPI screen
[05:45] <Hobbsee> i'm not happy with how oo.o seems to have corrupted my .ppt
[05:45] <Lure-live> Riddell: should we document this issues on Feedback page?
[05:45] <Riddell> Lure-live: yes, please do
[05:45] <Lure-live> Riddell: will do after install
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> Lure-live: do you want me to test out any kind of modified version of guidance with a UPS?
[05:48] <Lure-live> nosrednaekim: no code yet, but if you can attach you lshal output (with ups attached) to that bug it would be great
[05:48] <Lure-live> nosrednaekim: I might wait for qt4 port to stabilize though before implementing any changes in powermanager
[05:49] <Lure-live> ok, need to reboot to see if install completed
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: be glad it's not Koffice
[05:49] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: true.  i dont have that installed.
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Presentation in that is tuurible
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> Lure-live: ok, sure. its not on my kubuntu computer.. its on my brother's gentoo computer (same version of hal though)
[05:50] <DaSkreech> And it massacres odps as well
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> does that matter?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: that's why i don tuse it
[05:50] <Lure-live> nosrednaekim: just append it and put a note it is from gentoo
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: It's the main weak link I like the rest of the suite over OO.o
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> will do.
[06:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: fixed the release notes, updated the image and added some new images for digiKam.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yay!
[06:17] <nixternal> man, the digikam light table function is pretty sweet
[06:18] <nixternal> I wish Lure would have made separate screenies for it, his did so much justice to it
[06:44] <Riddell> hi Lure, reboot ok?
[06:45] <Lure> Riddell: yes - had to run home in between ;-)
[06:45] <Lure> will install on my desktop too
[06:46] <Lure> Riddell: have updated isotracker page
[06:47] <nixternal> Lure: I added some new images for the digikam and then linked to the image you had to show it in full blown mode :)
[06:47] <Lure> nixternal: great - I just linked one image I know that exists ;-)
[06:47] <Lure> nixternal: I am just plain lazy ;-)
[06:48] <nixternal> image was good, but....it was done in windows or a windows vm, and instead of trying to crop it, I just tried my best to make a couple of new ones that shows some of the functionality
[06:55] <manchicken> Is there a win32 or OSX client for gobby?
[07:01] <nixternal> manchicken: http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/wiki/Download
[07:01] <nixternal> no osx, but windows yes
[07:03] <Lure> nixternal: nice digikam writeup
[07:04] <Lure> nixternal: how did you make kdm login screenshot - I do not get kubuntu theme
[07:04] <nixternal> I had to change it with kde-kdm-themes
[07:07] <nixternal> is it possible to change the head image at all in the user list?
[07:07] <Riddell> it should be, although so far it hasn't worked for me
[07:08] <Lure> Riddell: will there be tribe1 re-spin?
[07:08] <nixternal> maybe I will take a look at it when I get the time
[07:08] <nixternal> guidance installed with a little force today..so that was good
[07:09] <Riddell> Lure: naw, no bugs are important enough
[07:09] <Lure> Riddell: btw, installing on my desktop (also manual part) -> no ubiquity crash
[07:09] <Riddell> curious
[07:10] <nixternal> sebas: I want that KDE sticker for my car! :)
[07:10] <nixternal> I need to find me some KDE stickers, t-shirts, and Kubuntu stickers and t-shirts
[07:11] <Riddell> ask sealne for t-shirts
[07:12] <nixternal> I did, they were super expensive to ship here, and I don't believe many sizes were left when I asked
[07:12] <Riddell> mm
[07:13] <Riddell> I'll bring some across for UDS in november no doubt
[07:13] <Riddell> but a while to wait that
[07:16] <Riddell> Lure: does amarok work with you for mp3s?
[07:17] <nixternal> I will show up to UDS if possible wearing a KDE thong and a Kubuntu t-shirt...so close your eyes
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: need to find some mp3's first ;-)
[07:18] <Riddell> actually it freezes on some oggs too.  kaffeine as well
[07:18] <nixternal> heh, I don't have any either
[07:18] <Riddell> who wants to test kdm fix?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-default-settings_7.10-2ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:18] <nixternal> hrmm...I will
[07:18] <Riddell> need to install and sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:19] <nixternal> I want to know why my kdm login screen looks fine on my other box after a dist-upgrade, but doesn't with the alt install cd
[07:20] <Riddell> because it's only a problem for new installs
[07:20] <nixternal> ahh
[07:20] <Riddell> if you previously had the theme set the new kdm Debian config stuff doesn't change that
[07:21] <Riddell> but if you didn't then it looks for settings in /etc/default/kdm.d/
[07:21] <Riddell> which is altogether nicer
[07:21] <nixternal> ahh
[07:23] <nixternal> I also wonder why opendns breaks samba
[07:28] <sebas> nixternal: I'll send you a t-shirt as soon as I've got the new ones.
[07:29] <Riddell> sebas: new ones?
[07:29] <nixternal> sebas: you are my hero!
[07:30] <nixternal> sebas: ya, tank tops were so 1980's ;)
[07:30] <sebas> Yes, new t-shirts
[07:30] <nixternal> I know, I wore them when I was a teenager thinking I was a bad arse
[07:30] <sebas> nixternal: Remind me if I forget
[07:30] <nixternal> sebas: roger that...thanks!
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Now you just know you hvea bad arse?
[07:31] <nixternal> heh
[07:33] <Riddell> sebas: new t-shirts for what?
[07:33] <nixternal> my lord...I forgot just how awesome my speakers sounded on my big box...playing ogg files in kaffeine, no lock up so far
[07:33] <sebas> Riddell: KDE, nothing aKademy specific
[07:34] <Lure> Riddell: your k-d-s package is ok - I get new kubuntu theme
[07:35] <Lure> Riddell: btw, kdm stop seems to have minor bug (reports error)
[07:35] <nixternal> wo0t...VBox for Gutsy amd64 (using feisty deb) works great!
[07:35] <nixternal> d'oh, wrong chan
[07:36] <Lure> sebas: I am also interested for some kde shirt
[07:38] <sebas> Lure: Remind me as soon as I have them
[07:38] <Lure> sebas: will do - thanks
[07:38] <sebas> :)
[07:38] <Lure> Riddell: flac is playing fine - does freeze occur soon for you?
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: how long does it play fine?
[07:39] <Riddell> Lure: yes, at the start
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will convert some to ogg/mp3 and try that
[07:41] <nixternal> ogg seems to be working fine so far in kaffeine for me
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell: mp3 works (including the script to install mp3 support)
[07:46] <manchicken> Okay, so SOMEBODY made k3b rock.
[07:46] <Riddell> hmm, ok
[07:46] <Lure> manchicken: in what sense?
[07:46] <manchicken> I should send that person a cookie.
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[07:46] <manchicken> Lure: For one, it'll burn MP3s to CD.  For another, reordering tracks works now.
[07:47] <manchicken> And the interface just overall sucks less than it did in 3.5.5
[07:47] <DaSkreech> it did that before
[07:47] <DaSkreech> burnt mp3s reordered and sucked
[07:48] <DaSkreech> oh
[07:48] <nixternal> 1MB download for gutsy daily alt image from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <DaSkreech> maybe someone can help with this
[07:48] <DaSkreech>  what would be responsible for spanning audio cds in Linux?
[07:49] <nixternal> wow, no clue
[07:49] <nixternal> I was wondering about a spanning app recently as well, but not for audio
[07:55] <DaSkreech> I'm figuring that it must be the underlying tools for k3b but that would mean that all Linux stuff is hobbled
[08:02] <nixternal> the latest daily fixes the boot screen I see
[08:02] <nixternal> but so far, it isn't doing anything...yet
[09:20] <marseillai_> i'm trying since two days to package katchtv a pykde program
[09:20] <marseillai_> and i've still this error : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24140/
[09:20] <marseillai_> anyone has an idea ?
[09:26] <fdoving> marseillai_: you can try to repackage the orig.tar.gz
[09:31] <marseillai_> oki
[09:33] <nixternal> katchtv doesn't use make
[09:34] <nixternal> the katchtv tarball is meant to be extracted and copied to a directory
[09:34] <nixternal> so you would need to setup rules to do just that, and then use a postinst script to create a symlink to /usr/bin
[09:35] <nixternal> and then create a desktop file and place it correctly
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Whats ktraderclient?
[09:59] <nixternal> marseillai_: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/misc/katchtv/
[09:59] <nixternal> that is what it would look like..that is a rather nasty package..but it will give you an idea
[09:59] <nixternal> only thing that package is missing is copyright and desktop file really
[10:00] <marseillai_> nixternal: oki
[10:00] <marseillai_> finishing my shower
[10:00] <marseillai_> and i'll take a look at it
[10:00] <nixternal> I had a package of it I used here, but I can't find it now
[10:00] <marseillai_> i've allready the copyright file! :)
[10:01] <marseillai_> nixternal: but if you want i send you my copyright file and you submit the package on revu ...
[10:01] <marseillai_> as you want
[10:01] <nixternal> marseillai_: that package has your name written all over it :)
[10:02] <nixternal> you need to check first because that rules file is quite ugly..it is a cheap hack that I use for oxygen icons here locally
[10:03] <marseillai_> oki
[10:03] <marseillai_> nixternal: i'll firstly try to solve my problem with my package because i prefer cdbs! ;)
[10:04] <nixternal> I do to, but I don't know how cdbs reacts when there is no makefile and all of that
[10:05] <marseillai_> a question
[10:05] <marseillai_> how many times it takes for @ubuntu.com email to be ok ?
[10:08] <nixternal> took me a couple of weeks
[10:10] <manchicken> Does katapult use the amarok data file, or does it actually hit amarok?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Hits amarok as far I know the first time you search
[10:19] <marseillai_> fdoving: you were right repackage the archive works
[10:20] <manchicken> It's not getting results from amarok.
[10:52] <hunger> Sucky day today...
[10:52] <hunger> Managed to overwrite the blocks containing the keys to my homepartition:-(
[10:56] <nixternal> ouch :(
[10:57] <hunger> nixternal: Not too bad... I have backups.
[10:57] <nixternal> I wish I could say that...I need to start backing up again
[10:58] <marseillai> mmmmmmmm can i use dh_py{central,support} for a pykde apps ?
[10:58] <crimsun> if it's necessary, of course.
[11:03] <Riddell> kwwii: about?
[11:18] <ryanakca> wow, KDE4 is pretty interesting
[11:19] <hunger> ryanakca: Sure, but it sucks trying to port something to libs that keep changing all the time.
[11:20] <ryanakca> heh
[11:20] <hunger> ryanakca: And porting from kde3 to 4 is pretty complex without additional interferance from core developers;-)
[11:21] <ryanakca> hunger: hmmm. porting basically means rewriting it for KDE4 in this case?
[11:22] <crimsun> I've been a bit hesitant to use PyQt4 for that reason
[11:23] <ryanakca> crimsun: hmm, well, once written in PyQt4, it won't have to be ported?
[11:24] <hunger> ryanakca: Buildsystem changes, IPC system changes, lots of details in KDE were changed.
[11:25] <hunger> ryanakca: plus I need to switch to a couple of new libs underneath my app.
[11:33] <hunger> is a update of libasound planned? kdelibs4 complains that the current version in gutsy is too old.
[11:34] <crimsun> yes, it is planned.
[11:34] <crimsun> 1.0.14 released after main was frozen for Tribe1
[11:34] <hunger> Great! You guys rock!
[11:35] <crimsun> there are already outstanding issues with 1.0.14
[11:35] <crimsun> the resampling patch that was applied earlier is broken; I have several reports of this in feisty
[11:35] <crimsun> I'll likely back it out for gutsy's alsa-lib 1.0.14
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> is there any plan to implement download script support in Adept?
[11:40] <Riddell> what's that?
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> you know like in Synaptic? you select some packages, then you select "generate package downlaod script" and it automatically makes a wget script
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> its the only thing keeping me from using adept which I otherwise prefer.