[12:32] Whoot! [12:32] We are getting a new emacs in Gutsy? :) [12:33] Riddell: icon bug filed as bug 118863 [12:34] Launchpad bug 118863 in kdebase "[Gutsy] extra icons on desktop in kubuntu daily 20070605" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118863 [12:34] nixternal: can you confirm when you get back ^^ [12:36] !info emacs gutsy [12:36] emacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 64 kB === wsjunior [n=wsjunior@164.41.9.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] Does anyone else observe broken modules in system settings on gutsy? [12:50] example? === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:54] Riddell: User management, Disk& Filesystem [12:54] Riddell: filed a list as bug 118864 [12:54] Launchpad bug 118864 in Ubuntu "[Gutsy] Broken modules in kde system settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118864 [12:57] Riddell: also Knetwork manager does not appear in Systray at login, should it? [12:58] Arby: it should [12:58] right, I'll file another bug then [12:58] system settings module sounds like guidance breakage [12:58] that would be consistent, I had the same problem as Lure earlier [12:59] guidance update fails [12:59] Arby: I confirmed that bug [12:59] nixternal: thanks [12:59] no problem [12:59] doing iso testing website now [01:00] Bye all! [01:00] Riddell: is the system settings worth filing or will sorting guidance make it go away? [01:01] Arby: both? [01:01] right I'll file it then === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-097.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] Riddell: confirmed, fixing guidance solves the system settings problem [01:13] Arby: are you new around here or am I just now seeing your nick for the first time? [01:13] Arby: well of course, but how did you fix? [01:13] nixternal: he was our top iso tester for feisty :) [01:13] Riddell: removed guidance and reinstalled [01:13] having tried dpkg --configure -a [01:13] Riddell: the name isn't ringing a bell. I was going to say, damn first time I have seen him and he is super tester [01:14] Arby: mm, right [01:14] which didn't work [01:14] :D [01:14] Northwind Database rocks! === nixternal waits for the flames of those familiar with that [01:16] Arby: power manager problem will be fixed in 0.8.0-1ubuntu6 [01:17] Riddell: cool, I've left a comment on the bug for how I got around it just in case [01:18] and now I'm too tired to do anything else useful. === Arby --> bed [01:20] hey, and his name is Richard...so you know he is good :) === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-132.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] wow these girls playing softball are crazy good [02:52] er === nixternal is mad at the NW catcher [03:09] is there a reason? [03:09] did she cost NW the game? [03:09] or he? [03:12] yes she did [03:12] she missed the tag and lost the game for NW === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-097.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:16] nixternal: it was nice too see new people interesting in helping out in kubuntu [03:17] very much so. I am wondering if there are going to be any Xandros people coming this way [03:17] I did read on Xandros forums that some of their Devs and Community members are going over to PCLinuxOS [03:23] When Lycoris was absorbed by mandriva, quite a lot of users migrated to PCLOS [03:24] now with xandros folks maybe migrating, it will only add to that distros surge [03:27] but I didn't convince many (if any) of my former Lycoris colleagues to consider Kubuntu [03:28] a lot of people are using PCLOS because it is a Microsoft Windows 95 clone out of the box [03:29] 95? [03:29] it gives them all of the restricted stuff from the get go, which a lot of people want [03:29] was, but not so much lately I think. [03:29] I meant to say XP [03:29] heh [03:29] but yeah, it still has most of the restricted stuff [03:29] it looks just like XP to me [03:29] they *finally* got rid of that logo [03:30] heh I don't see how it is Xp-ish myself, but then again I did not find Lycoris to be xp-like either, other sam some colors, etc [03:30] the theme is, not the kicker, is very XP'ish [03:30] but then again, KDE is always being spoken of as being "like Windows"... === claydoh has to suffer a stock xp setup at work, not allowed to mess with anything :( [03:31] heh, which I don't really see unless you use imbrandon royale kbfx stuff :) [03:31] claydoh: I know the feeling...doing the same here at the uni [03:31] and what I do edit, as soon as I reboot I lose it [03:31] evil network administrators :) :) [03:32] I do encourage OOo at work, as they just spent $$ on buying Office 2003, and it often has some bugs in very simple documents [03:32] hehe [03:32] so I got to go back to using OOo [03:33] I just convert it all to doc, xls, etc [03:33] poor you :) [03:33] well, better OO.o than MS, right? :) [03:34] I tried to convince the big boss OO was the way, not to spend $$ for the full Office suite for very basic docs and a couple of spreadsheets [03:35] but he had so many major issues upgrading/setting up 16 restaurants with new hardware/software he wanted "no more software hassles [03:35] heh [03:36] even though our POS registers reports open just splendidly in Calc === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-097.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44651.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54a72565.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] nixternal: you watching this college world series softball game? === apacheLAGger [n=me@N831P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] just got home from school === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] anyone able to get me a 1024x768 screenshot of the new kdm login? for some reason vmware shows the default box and some blue wallpaper that isn't kubuntu [06:29] unless of course you can tell me how to fix that [06:43] wo0t..got it === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.22.182.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-030-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick === dregorth [n=dregorth@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:44] uh...who broke guidance? === Jucato points to the probably sleeping nixternal... === nixternal is working on tribe 1 notes === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [07:45] /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager needs to point to /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/guidance-power-manager.py on the second line. [07:45] aaah. sssh.. do not disturb :) [07:46] i've no idea why it doesnt [07:53] Hobbsee: it has been fixed I believe earlier, waiting for syncs and builds I am sure [07:53] right === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44270.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54954445.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe1/Kubuntu [08:22] if you all want to review that...feedback welcomed === Hobbsee is still attempting to fix the major bugs. [08:25] well, my job is done until tribe 2 === nixternal goes on vacation [08:26] hej [08:26] heh [08:26] there's still more documentation [08:26] bah, that has been done since Feisty [08:26] documentation is less than a weeks worth a work this release (I hope) === Jucato thought nixternal would be taking a break to focus on KDE stuff... thank goodness he changed his mind :P [08:26] Jucato: I am concentrating on KDE stuff [08:26] btw, the kmilo change isn't mentioned? [08:27] KHelpCenter is my latest project that I am participating with..go figure right [08:27] orly === nixternal checks out kmilo [08:27] hrmm, how can I do kmilo in vmware? [08:27] is there a cheater way of initiating it [08:28] cheater cheater :) === Jucato doesn't know :P [08:28] hrmm [08:28] is kmilo in tribe 1? [08:28] remember we are in a freeze [08:28] I thought so. Hobbsee commented yesterday on how nice it looked... [08:28] alrighty then [08:28] this should be interesting [08:29] not really sure if it's in tribe 1, though... [08:29] yes it is [08:29] and its' in tribe 1 [08:29] Hobbsee: is there a way to cheat it, so I can show it lowering/raising the volume at least? [08:30] kinda wished there was a sort of laptop profile for vmware eh? :/ [08:30] that would be nice [08:30] heh [08:31] hm... were the konvi changes included in tribe 1? should we actually mention those? :/ [08:31] should ahve been === Jucato is all the more interested in upgrading to feisty on at least on of his pretty machines... === nixternal checks konvi [08:33] I totally forgot [08:33] what were the changes supposed to be? [08:33] lookwise, it is the same as feisty from what I can see === gutsy [n=gutsy@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:34] nasty images -> [08:34] ahh, here they come... [08:34] nixternal: the tabs I believe have been brought back to the bottom? and the nicklist theme? [08:34] nope [08:34] still tree view [08:34] hm.. strange... I thought imbrandon reverted... [08:34] the nicklist theme still has the old boxes [08:35] old boxes with letters in side them? [08:35] no letters [08:35] ah then that has changed [08:35] gray boxes with a gradient, and then what looks like a + in some of them [08:35] ah ok... [08:35] the ones with the + are grayed out as well [08:36] ok still the same.. no changes then === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:36] ya, it is the same from when I used it in Edgy [08:36] really strange... [08:36] I recall imbrandon mentioning reverting it.. oh well nvm then :) === gutsy [n=gutsy@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:37] another thing I notice...konvi is sloooooow === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:38] any new kmilo screenshots I can steal? [08:39] none here... maybe ryanakca or mhb? [08:51] nixternal: have added new digikam to Tribe1 page, but needs some love from you (with wiki formating and language) ;-) [08:52] thanks Lure, I will work on that === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@194.187.225.87] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] Riddell: ping ? [09:46] hiya Tonio_ [09:46] hey ;) [09:46] Tonio_: your kaffeine upload had a bug in it - file overwrite problem. [09:46] Hobbsee: my kaffeine upload was rejected [09:46] yes. [09:46] Hobbsee: I don't understand the issue in fact [09:47] [16:05] dpkg: error processing kaffeine-xine_0.8.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install): [09:47] [16:05] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/kaffeine/xine_part/pluginsinfo', which is also in package kaffeine [09:47] Tonio_: ^ [09:47] kaffeine_0.8.4-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7964919/kaffeine_0.8.4-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz) was REJECTED [09:47] this is my issue === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:47] Tonio_: was the translations a separate tarball? [09:48] Hobbsee: file conflict shouldn't be rejected by the buildd [09:48] Hobbsee: no I think this is the extraction for rosetta process [09:48] something has gone wrong with it [09:48] Hobbsee: did that reach the repos ? [09:48] Tonio_: i uploaded 0ubuntu2, which was accepted [09:48] pitti rejected it, on my request. [09:49] the 0ubuntu1 [09:49] ho...... [09:49] Hobbsee: talking about that I can't understand where is the file conflict....; [09:49] because of the file overwrite [09:49] Hobbsee: did you look at the debs ? [09:49] Hobbsee: I don't have that pluginsinfo file in the deb here [09:50] it was foo/bar/ in kaffeine, and foo/bar/bling/xine_part.* in kaffeine-xine [09:50] i do, for kaffeine now [09:50] Hobbsee: argh !!!!!!!!! [09:50] with the new version [09:50] oh no, what have i done? [09:50] Hobbsee: I uploaded the WIP version of the package, with a testing patch for the plugin identification [09:50] to pass WMP detection..... [09:50] shame on me === Hobbsee headdesks. [09:51] so..... [09:51] Tonio_: how broken is it? [09:52] Hobbsee: very ;) [09:52] Hobbsee: I'll upload the good one this time [09:52] the one I use locally with success === Hobbsee beats Tonio_ with a rubber mallet [09:53] Hobbsee: looks like already fixed in the archives.....; [09:53] Tonio_: what's the difference between your good one, and the one you uploaded? [09:54] yes, i've fixed the file overwrite problem - how's it broken apart from that? [09:54] Hobbsee: a new patch [09:54] touched install files etc..... [09:54] well yours might work too [09:54] just that the pluginsinfo thing isn't finished at all [09:55] but that might not crash....... [09:55] Hobbsee: so thaks for fixing......... [09:55] i only fixed the install file [09:55] Hobbsee: and sorry for the error....... shame on me [09:55] i didnt fix any buggered patches [09:55] Hobbsee: that's okay === Hobbsee has gone and told pitti that kubuntu was OK - now we have repeated lots of breakage. [09:55] the pluginsinfo thing doesn't work yet, but doesn't break anything [09:55] good [09:56] repeated lots of breakage ? [09:56] so it's not "delay tribe1" material? [09:56] kde-guidance, kaffeine [09:56] no issue with kaffeine on that point [09:56] at least for kaffeine [09:56] good. === glatzor [n=sebi@p5496510d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] Tonio_: do we need kaffeine-gstreamer in main? === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.54.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] Hobbsee: no [10:18] Hobbsee: but is it works now we should have it in universe [10:18] yep [10:18] there's no alternate | kaffeine-gstreamer dep on kaffeine, btw [10:20] true === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dregorth [n=dregorth@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-107-241.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:55] Hobbsee: btw I have a plan for kaffeine and gutsy, so I'll have to rework on that pluginsinfo thing :) [10:55] mhb: ping ? [10:55] mhb: I noticed kdesudo doesn't work with the kcontrol modules, switch to admin [10:55] mhb: we have to make it to work before releasing anything === mhb takes a look [10:56] Tonio_: you're right [10:57] Tonio_: have you tried to triage this bug already? [10:57] Tonio_: do you know why it does not work? [10:59] Tonio_: kdesu: Unknown option '--nonewdcop'. [10:59] Tonio_: we're back at implementing options for kdesudo :o) [10:59] Tonio_: (the "kdesu:" line is what kcmshell says when you click "Administrator mode") [11:09] mhb: I just discovered it :) [11:09] Tonio_: you should have read what I wrote instead :o) [11:10] Tonio_: this parameter seems to be one of the harder ones [11:10] mhb: no time to work on that today, we're ending the french parliament migration for friday [11:10] mhb: I'll be finally back in the effort starting next week [11:10] Tonio_: okay [11:10] which parameter is missing concerning the kcmshell ? [11:11] Tonio_: it complains about --nonewdcop [11:11] mhb: ouch...... [11:12] mhb: that will not be the easier to add :) [11:12] Tonio_: like I said, a hard one :o) [11:12] mhb: but well do it right ? ;) [11:13] Tonio_: I'm sure we will === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:45] Tonio_: you pinged? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:52] Riddell: that was about the kaffeine issue, but now I know why it had been rejected, Sarah asked for that [11:52] Riddell: unfortunatelly, I wanted to do quick and I uploaded a WIP version of the package, with experimental patches I'm working on...... [11:53] Riddell: you can kick me if you want :) [11:54] I'd rather kick xine-line for installing gtk et al === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] xineplug_decode_gdk_pixbuf.so [11:56] libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 [11:56] that's the culprit [11:57] siretart: I'd really like to separate that out somewhere, so we don't get a zillion dependencies on the kubuntu cd we don't need === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:13] Riddell: I could perhaps move that to libxine1-gnome, need to check what it is actually good for [12:16] ooh, yes please [12:16] RadiantFire: ping [12:22] Tonio_: okay, analysis complete [12:22] Tonio_: we need 4 parameters for kcmshell to work [12:22] Tonio_: -nonewdcop, -n, -d, -i [12:23] Tonio_: (do not keep password, hide the command, custom icon) === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-140-67.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4455a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JLP [n=jlp@84.52.174.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] Riddell: is current daily-live tribe1 candidate? [12:58] Lure: no [12:58] waiting on guidance to be built then we'll make new CDs [12:58] Riddell: ok === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ just tipped a whole can of coffee on the table ... :( - luckily the lappie survived [01:42] erk === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E324.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N831P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N741P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dregorth [n=Jon@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] mhb: pong [02:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yeah, almost lost a bunch of patches there ;) [02:06] _StefanS_: death by coffee is not fun. I killed my keyboard last friday ;) [02:07] <_StefanS_> paran: ick, not very good === dregorth [n=Jon@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:08] <_StefanS_> paran: I was just mounting a silent fan in a cabinet beside my laptop, and then the plastic-mount broke so my hand slapped at the coffee can [02:08] RadiantFire: hey... long time no talk! :o) [02:09] yeah, has been [02:09] all 2 days [02:09] RadiantFire: hope you're well, but that's not why I'm pinging [02:09] i figured as much [02:09] started work [02:09] RadiantFire: on what? [02:09] <_StefanS_> wow there's quite alot of new packages to download in gutsy.. 148mb :) [02:10] i'm doing research with one of my professors on Cerebellar Model Articulation Controllers [02:11] RadiantFire: cool [02:11] RadiantFire: so you have little time now, I guess [02:12] yeah [02:13] I've got to go off at like 1/2 an hour, but I'll be here for bit [02:13] RadiantFire: no problem then, just wanted to know how much free time you have [02:13] RadiantFire: I'll be doing some parameter porting from kdesudo to kdesu [02:13] RadiantFire: so that's why I poked you [02:14] ah [02:14] ok [02:14] so he's a silly question. Where is the kdesudo code? [02:14] RadiantFire: on bzr [02:15] mmm... another vcs [02:15] RadiantFire: and launchpad [02:15] so, where exactly on bzr? [02:15] RadiantFire: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk [02:15] ah, and or, what is your goal with said parameter porting? [02:16] sigh, I need to read the tabs in launchpad [02:16] RadiantFire: I wanted to ask why the heck people are afraid of hiding the command name, when kdesu has the option to hide it [02:16] it does? [02:16] i was not aware of that [02:16] I wuold feel like that is a social engineering security whole [02:17] RadiantFire: me neither [02:17] RadiantFire: { "d", I18N_NOOP("Do not show the command to be run in the dialog"), 0} [02:17] RadiantFire: from kdesu.cpp === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:18] RadiantFire: that's why I poked you, I couldn't understand why people reacted negatively on your patch when you can hide the command with ease [02:18] hmmm [02:18] possibly because if you were just told to "Enter your password" it would raise some red flags === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:19] but if it did say something like "Enter your password to install neato pr0n screensavers." and then you couldn't see the command that would be bad. [02:20] or it could have just been people commenting without looking at the code [02:20] RadiantFire: I suspect the latter [02:20] RadiantFire: :o) [02:26] ** new alternate CDs up for testing [02:26] Lure: ^^ === Arby rsyncs [02:27] mhb: so is there anyting you want me to do, as soon as I figure out how to get the code [02:31] RadiantFire: no, not really :o) get familiar with bzr and stuff, so we can hack on kdesu and kdesudo unifying once you have time .o) [02:31] _StefanS_: Ah. I was only in a hurry when I put my cup down :) [02:31] mhb: ok, bbl then [02:32] hooray! checkout worked [02:32] i guess the more vcs you have to deal with, the easier they are to figure out [02:38] Riddell: what are your thoughts on fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/13497? [02:38] Launchpad bug 13497 in kdebase "Locked password on live CD interferes with screen lock" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:40] patches welcome :) === nosrednaekim [n=nosredna@04-174.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] it's never reached high enough on my todo list for me to do anything about it, it probably just needs a casper script to echo the right config option into the right place [02:41] Riddell: i'm wondering who'd be able to write the patch. [02:41] anyone with elite bash skills [02:42] hmmm..... [02:42] Riddell: btw, i guess i shouldnt say that kubuntu cds are ready, if there are fixes that keep getting dropped in, and/or broken. [02:42] find the relevant config option for kicker and copy and adapt the gnome script [02:43] Hobbsee: candidate alternate CDs are ready for testing [02:43] i know, i saw [02:43] so long as you say they're candidates, we want everyone to know [02:43] i meant the "is kubuntu ready for a candidate" [02:44] Riddell: ie, "are there any other bugs that we need to fix for tribe 1?" [02:45] I'm pretty confident there aren't [02:45] we've fixed the ones Arby and nixternal reported last night so I expect these images will be good [02:46] which is quite a record for a first testing CD infact [02:46] ok, i think i found a quick fix, if its possible to run: export [02:46] RUNNING_UNDER_GDM="True" from casper before the session starts, locking will be [02:46] disabled... (i'll add a real empty password check later too if still required) === Hobbsee wonders if there's a RUNNING_UNDER_KDM="True" possibility [02:46] but i doubt it's that simple [02:47] why does it need that check? it should always just disable locking (casper only works from the live CD and we always want to disable locking there) [02:48] i've no idea. i know very very little abotu casper [02:48] but that's what i would expect [02:49] I would guess that test is only so it knows it's GNOME and not another desktop [02:49] true [02:49] in which case you can check for $KDE_FULL_SESSION=true === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4455a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] Riddell: two questions with that. a) is it really that simple? b) what happens if you were to export both those lines in /etc/environment - do you know if there would be any ill effects? [03:05] and "try it" is not an acceptable answer === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E324.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@137.78.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:38] hi was wondering if's it's possible to switch between two version of flash ? free/non-free, in firefox or konqueror ? [03:43] Hobbsee: I think it is not that simple: I think there is no config file to disable lock function in kde, so coding is required [03:44] Hobbsee: I think I have briefly checked that code when I have worked on disabling suspend/hibernate on live CD through casper for feisty [03:44] i found it [03:44] and yes there is [03:44] yes? [03:44] it's set in kdesktoprc [03:44] I did not look good enough then... ;-) [03:44] it's taken a couple of us a while to find it, though [03:44] Hobbsee: what option? [03:45] under [ScreenSaver] [03:47] Hobbsee: I suspect it works only after restart, right? [03:47] Hobbsee: so simply adding it to casper would be the way to go [03:47] not sure [03:48] if you put the option into /root/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc, whihc is installed when 22screensaver script is called, before logging into a DM, then i suspect ti would [03:51] Hobbsee: casper is setup before any desktop - I have done patch for powermanagerrc and same way we could add ScreenSaver stuff [03:52] Hobbsee: just download casper source and you will see how it is done for powermanager [03:53] Lure: right....looking [03:55] Lure: ahh, right, so you've detected it that way [03:55] Hobbsee: well you also need to replace the gconf line with something suitable for kicker's config file [03:55] Hobbsee: export which lines? [03:56] Lure: which assumes that k-d-s is actually installed, though === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44471.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] Hobbsee: it is in kubuntu live cd - this is why I check for existance of it [03:59] Hobbsee: if [ -d /root/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config ] ; then [03:59] Lure: true that. i'm thinking that we can just echo "Lock=false" >> /root/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdesktoprc [04:00] Hobbsee: You probably need to add [ScreenSaver] before (as section) [04:00] Hobbsee: unless we already ship something in k-d-s that would overlap [04:00] can i just echo the [ScreenSaver] first, then the other, or both lines at once, or what? [04:00] id' wondered about the section [04:00] Hobbsee: either way [04:01] hwo could i echo both at once? echo "[ScreenSaver] /n Lock=false"? [04:01] Hobbsee: we ship kdesktoprc, but no ScreenSaver section [04:01] Hobbsee: you could also code it to be more robust, but I think simple solution (append) is ok for now [04:02] yes, and i hardly think we want to remove it on both live and install? [04:02] what's the more robust option? my bash is crap [04:03] nixternal: kdm on alternate CD is indeed not using the kubuntu theme === apacheLAGger [n=me@N892P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C6f25.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] Hobbsee: more robust> you would need to check if [ScreenSaver] section is already in file and if Enabled=xxx is already there and in this case replace the value (with sed or similar) === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [04:19] Lure: point. at this point, we know it's not. [04:19] as i'ts not specified in k-d-s [04:20] Hobbsee: exactly, so I think we should be fine for now [04:20] i did wonder about just setting it all in k-d-s though === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] Hobbsee: not good, as it would disable it for all users - even the ones added later on real system [04:22] Hobbsee: casper ensures that it is only done for live cd user [04:22] Hobbsee: the chnage is done on FS that is not copied over to real system by ubiquity [04:22] Lure: that was my thought [04:34] Riddell: ping [04:34] hi [04:34] hey boss === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] (if you're quick, I'm about to reboot for CD testing) [04:34] Riddell: didn't you upload filelight? [04:35] Harald Sitter ( 49) [gutsy-changes] Accepted filelight 1.0-0ubuntu1 [04:35] can't find it on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue :( [04:35] oh [04:35] that's a good thing, it means it's been accepted :) [04:35] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/filelight/1.0-0ubuntu1 [04:35] ahhh, k ^_^ [04:36] Riddell: have fun with cd testing then :) [04:38] apachelogger: it'll only appear in +queue new queue if either the source or one of the binary packages hasn't been in the archive before [04:38] such as khalkhi. that needs to be reviewed by an archive admin [04:38] ** desktop CDs neeing tested ** === apachelogger thinks he got the use of +queue [04:40] *closes bug* [04:45] Riddell: rebooting to try desktop cd [04:59] Riddell: the kdm theme on alternate, has it been reported? [04:59] I manually fixed mine with the kde-kdm-themes package === nosrednaekim [n=nosredna@04-174.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee has fixed the screensaver thing :D === nosrednaekim cheers Hobbsee === Hobbsee runs dput. eep === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508f115b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] nixternal: ? === apachelogger turns into bloglogger [05:05]