[12:15] <MaTiAz> sercik: That looks really cool!
[12:15] <sercik> a nice distribution based on edgy! but now i don't use it anymore because i prefer the original!
[12:15] <sercik> thanks :)
[12:15] <sercik> i'm happy!
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> sec i'll make one of mine
[12:16] <sercik> Sure!
[12:18] <MaTiAz> Heh, mine's simple and ugly: http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4016/snapshot3bb1.jpg
[12:19] <MaTiAz> I never bother organizing my desktop to make it look good, as I'll always clutter it in a few days :)
[12:19] <sercik> mmmm i see utorrent!
[12:19] <sercik> i love that program
[12:19] <MaTiAz> Yeah, good thing it works via wine :)
[12:20] <sercik> i have done a good thing to my home!
[12:20] <sercik> i have a server / gateway running mldonkey and i use it to download everythink
[12:20] <sercik> i coonect to it throught sanco gui!
[12:21] <sercik> good night people! here is 00:21 AM
[12:22] <MaTiAz> 1:21AM here :) Night.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I don't see the necessity to run utorrent in Wine when ktorrent is actually as good or better
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> back
[12:24] <MaTiAz> BluesKaj: Well, each to their own :)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> brand loyalty i guess
[12:26] <darryl> any of you guys used VPN from Kubuntu to connect to office?
[12:28] <darryl> I am trying to figure out how to VPN
[12:28] <darryl> been searching all day to no avail
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> sercik: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/shadoweater/snapshot1.png
[12:29] <BluesKaj> !google-linux | darryl
[12:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google-linux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <darryl> BluesKaj: I been doing that all day - I wouldnt come here asking as a first resort
[12:30] <BluesKaj> darryl, maybe searching here will make a diff : http://www.google.com/linux
[12:31] <BluesKaj> odd that VPN for linux isn't in the search databases
[12:32] <darryl> I need to find someone how has done this successfully
[12:32] <BluesKaj> darryl SSH ?
[12:32] <darryl> no VPN
[12:32] <darryl> I need to establish a VPN tunnel
[12:32] <darryl> not SSH
[12:33] <crimsun> I use OpenVPN.
[12:33] <crimsun> it's in the universe repository.
[12:33] <darryl> the Office is a M$ PPTP connection
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> darryl: do you wanna create a vpn connection from your system or to it?
[12:33] <darryl> ActionParsnip: yes :)
[12:33] <darryl> I have downloaded pptpconfig and associated app's but I cant get it to make the tunnel
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> darryl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91249
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> tried that
[12:34] <illriginal> Can someone help me add Java plug in from my java plugin folder to my mozilla-firefox plugin folder, please!
[12:34] <BluesKaj> darryl http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7881
[12:34] <darryl> ActionParsnip: I have been doing this: http://quozl.linux.org.au/pptp/pptpconfig/0-README.phtml
[12:35] <zblach> i need some way to share a folder between vmware any myself. any ideas?
[12:35] <darryl> ActionParsnip: I already tried the link you sent me this morning.... no luck
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> darryl: what happens when you follow it
[12:36] <zblach> !vmware
[12:36] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[12:37] <darryl> ActionParsnip:  It starts to do the tunnel.... I am authenticated.... then I get an error.... One sec I will copy the error:
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> cool
[12:37] <darryl> ActionParsnip:  I get: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP, then the tunnel freezes up and does nothing else
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> add the mac address yourself
[12:38] <darryl> ActionParsnip: that message to me?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> its probably hanging cos its not connecting
[12:39] <darryl> I have no way to know the macid
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> darryl: all my messages are to you, i'll do the name thingy
[12:39] <darryl> only the IP of the VPN server
[12:39] <Minataku> It's not a MAC address
[12:39] <Minataku> You need the IP of the proxy ARP
[12:39] <Minataku> Which may very well be the IP of the VPN server
[12:39] <darryl> Minataku: how do I add that?  I do know what it is....
[12:39] <Minataku> I have no idea
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> Minataku: Isnt ethernet address == mac address
[12:39] <Minataku> I don't even know if I'm right
[12:40] <Minataku> Sorry
[12:40] <darryl> Minataku: yes it is the IP of the VPN server - I just dont know how to make the route to it
[12:40] <darryl> that error message I pasted seems like it has no route or something
[12:41] <Minataku> My SPARCstation 10 needs a new nameplate ;o;
[12:42] <darryl> ActionParsnip: any idea how to get around this error?
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> darryl: you might have to specify the MAC address of the target
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> darryl: just a hunch but not sure
[12:44] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone help me with a quick thing.  i used to know how to do this but forgot.  how do you set the view mode permanently again?
[12:44] <sercik> ActionParsnip: not bad seems mandrake!
[12:44] <sercik> good night!
[12:44] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> sercik: Later dude
[12:57] <LordEpsilon> ...
[12:58] <w33rdo> hi
[12:58] <w33rdo> iptables?
[12:59] <w33rdo> port forwarding?
[01:01] <njt88> Sorry to bother you guys. I'm a newbie trying to understand how this beast works and even the most simple things seem really hard right now. I want to know about the properties of my hard drive - particularly the amount of free memory. HOw can I do this. Thanks in advance
[01:01] <Minataku> njt88: df -h
[01:01] <Minataku> And it's not a bother
[01:01] <Minataku> It's why we're all here
[01:02] <njt88> thanks that 's really kind, but what does df -h mean?
[01:02] <njt88> I told you I'm a newbie! :)
[01:02] <Minataku> Type it into a terminal
[01:02] <Minataku> You'll see :3
[01:02] <njt88> ok, I think I understand.
[01:03] <savetheWorld> http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/06/05/17450.aspx  << dell restores extended warranty on ubuntu systems
[01:03] <w33rdo> iptables?
[01:04] <konam> hi ya all
[01:04] <konam> i'm having problems with k3b
[01:05] <w33rdo> port fowrding?
[01:05] <konam> when im burning something it minimized window appears in every desktop areas flashing, i don't know how to disable this
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> savetheWorld: great link.
[01:07] <savetheWorld> :)
[01:08] <njt88> minataku: thanks very much indeed -  I got it. Need to start learning these codes methinks ^_^
[01:09] <Minataku> njt88: There are tutorials all over the net plus, if you know the command, "man <command>" should bring up a manual page
[01:09] <Minataku> Try it with df if you wish :3
[01:10] <njt88> minataku: thanks dude I'll check that out!
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> anyone want a wattmeter for their laptop?
[01:10] <Minataku> np
[01:28] <ritalin> y0
[01:28] <ritalin> how do i turn ssh on?
[01:30] <K-Ryan> !java
[01:30] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:30] <Skyblast> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:30] <ritalin> Skyblast: danke
[01:31] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm trying to use Java with Konqueror, it's not working but it is installed. Know what the cause might be?
[01:35] <K-Ryan> Pssst
[01:35] <njt88> can anyone help? I'm trying to ascertain how much free space I have on my hard drive, so that I can transfer some data. When I command df -h in the terminal it says I have used 133 gb out of 142, with 1.1gb remaining
[01:35] <Skyblast> Maybe that's 1.1% free it means?
[01:35] <K-Ryan> you can always open the directory where the drive is located and right click > properties
[01:36] <njt88> but when I right click properties of my data files in my home files it only reads 72gb. Which is right and what is causing the discrepancy?
[01:36] <max_> already tried baobab?
[01:37] <mp_> hi i need to know if the nvidia-common package is the real nvidia driver (accel and all). can anyone help me?
[01:37] <max_> oh, it's Kubuntu, sorry
[01:39] <K-Ryan> mp_: You need something else
[01:39] <K-Ryan> !nvidia | mp_
[01:39] <ubotu> mp_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:39] <K-Ryan> The driver is listed in there
[01:39] <K-Ryan> I don't know it off hand
[01:40] <mp_> ty ubotu
[01:40] <Minataku> njt88: You have more files that just what's in your ~
[01:41] <Minataku> The whole system has it's files
[01:41] <max_> if you have a better video card than Geforce 4 install nvidia-glx-new instead of nvidia-glx
[01:41] <Minataku> Plus there's also 5% of total space set aside that only root can use
[01:41] <K-Ryan> mp_: ubotu is the information bot, not a real person =P
[01:41] <afk> Hello i've got an issue with Wireless on kubuntu feisty with the onboard intel prowireless ABG card my upload speeds are nearly 3mbit yet the downloads never even reach 5-7 but on windows or wired i get 24mbit down i've read forms for days and gotten nowhere any input?
[01:42] <w33rdo> guys I've got Iptables broken
[01:42] <w33rdo> FATAL: Error inserting ip_tables
[01:42] <w33rdo> this is a brand new Ubuntu 7 installation
[01:43] <njt88> thanks, so the total is likely to be 133gb out of 142 i.e. It's more or less full, right?
[01:44] <w33rdo> my bad I wasn't using SUDO, LOL
[01:46] <afk> hmm anyone?
[01:48] <Raschko> has ne 1 here been able to stream wma through konqueror?
[01:49] <Raschko> guessin thats a nope
[01:49] <K-Ryan> Raschko: Don't give up, the chat is rather quiet right now.
[01:50] <JuJuBee_> I booted from cd.  Can I remount my local HD rw?
[01:50] <JuJuBee_> Live cd
[01:50] <njt88> minataku: thanks again mate for the info. You da man!
[01:51] <JuJuBee_> I just figured out I have a ton of crap in ~/.local/share/Trash and I should remove it before backing up...
[01:52] <afk> it would seem this project needs to rethink its coding i had this Same problem on egdy and complained miltipule times and everytime i do no one ever has any input it maybe time to think about switching distros soon at this rate i doubt it will ever be atended too
[01:53] <K-Ryan> afk: What's the problem?
[01:53] <afk> [19:41]  <afk> Hello i've got an issue with Wireless on kubuntu feisty with the onboard intel prowireless ABG card my upload speeds are nearly 3mbit yet the downloads never even reach 5-7 but on windows or wired i get 24mbit down i've read forms for days and gotten nowhere any input?
[01:54] <brunatos> hie
[01:54] <K-Ryan> Hmm, don't know but it doesn't sound like a distro thing.
[01:54] <afk> it would seem odd on windows or if i wire it i get the speeds fine
[01:55] <K-Ryan> Hmm, that is odd.
[01:55] <afk> ya thats what stumped me when i built the driver on freebsd i had no issues but both with edgy and this feisty i get this issue
[01:57] <hgarcia> anyone know any good websites on how to get wifi working
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: !wireless
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !wireless | hgarcia
[01:58] <brunatos> i got a litle problem with the wifi (USB adaptator MA101) on Kubuntu (2.6.17.11) i dunno how to make it visible
[01:58] <ubotu> hgarcia: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:59] <hgarcia> I have kubunu fiesty loaded on my laptop and all I need now is to get the wifi to work on it
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: what wireless chip do you have?
[01:59] <hgarcia> broadcom
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: what type of chipset is it?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: you probably have to use Ndiswrapper.
[02:00] <brunatos> 802.11
[02:00] <hgarcia> I have installed ndiswrapper but still it will not work
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: no... what chipset does it use? attheros, broacom, ralink?
[02:01] <brunatos> so i can scan with it
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: this maybe stupid.. but do you have the wireless switch on?
[02:01] <brunatos> oups i dunno, i look
[02:01] <hgarcia> yeah I do
[02:02] <hgarcia> I had it working once before on a older version of kubuntu but I can't get it to go this time
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: hmm... you followed a tutorial for ndiswrapper?
[02:02] <hgarcia> yeah
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: hmmm I don't know.
[02:05] <hgarcia>  ndiswrapper -v
[02:05] <hgarcia> utils Error: no version specified!
[02:05] <hgarcia> driver version:        1.38
[02:05] <hgarcia> vermagic:       2.6.20-16-generic SMP mod_unload 586
[02:05] <hgarcia> does that mean anything?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: you didn't install ndiswrapper-utils
[02:06] <hgarcia> do I need to?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: yep.
[02:07] <hgarcia> ok, thanks
[02:07] <hgarcia> bbl
[02:09] <brunatos> nosrednaekim MA101 is an ATMEL chipset
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: ok.. just a sec.
[02:10] <brunatos> k
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: you need to install "atmel-firmware"
 k i installed it
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: unplugg your wireless thing, waid a minute, and plug it back in.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *wait
[02:16] <brunatos> but i'm a newbe in the wireless network
[02:16] <brunatos> ok
[02:17] <brunatos> it's for connecting my wii on the network by routing by my ubuntu
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: so you want it to act like an access point?
[02:18] <brunatos> (Xcuse if i don't speak very well but i'm french and my english is'nt very good)
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> no problem.. your english is fine.
[02:19] <brunatos> i dunno really (thx) but persons sys me to configure on ad-hoc
[02:25] <brunatos_> when i reconnect the usb adaptator i got a neww gateway that i must del for acces to net
[02:27] <computer> where could i get a copy of standard kubuntu sources.list?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: oh ok.. adhoc will work I guess
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: ok.. it gives you a new device?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> like wlan0?
[02:28] <brunatos_> yes
[02:28] <brunatos_> iwconfig work fine
[02:29] <JuJuBee_> computer : http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[02:29] <brunatos_> "sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc"
[02:30] <brunatos_> and my connection must to be  visible if i scan ???
[02:31] <brunatos_> (i've try a scan with psp (must be the same) but it give nothing
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: I have never ever done ad-hoc, so I really can't hepl any more. sorry
[02:32] <brunatos_> c'est deja pas mal  ;)
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> I give you a bad grade?
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> is that what it said?
[02:33] <brunatos_> just a question power manangement it's for the radio max ??
[02:33] <brunatos_> no it's mean :
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: yeah... I think so.
[02:34] <brunatos_> it is already not badly
[02:35] <brunatos_> it's an expression
[02:35] <amedeo_> hi to all
[02:36] <Small_Mac> used echo command and made a change to bashrc file so command line console starts not in the default folder, but in one of my choosing, problem now: when i open a folder and then do open console in this folder, it doesn't do so, instead console is opened with other folder as default, if someone could help solve problem, thx alot =)
[02:36] <bcasanov> hi all
[02:36] <amedeo_> excuse me, is here someone can help me ?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: yeah.. ask away
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> Small_Mac: just curious... why do you want it to start in another directory?
[02:37] <amedeo_> I'd like set automount of cd on kubuntu, kubuntu is working on wmware 6 workstation 6 ..
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: it should automatically mount it.
[02:39] <Small_Mac> nossrednaekim as with all such "why" questions, just because i felt like it lol, i don't know.. why would i want to start in the default directory, same question really, not sure how to answer
[02:39] <amedeo_> with first installation yes.. after i've updated to kde 357 and it didn't work anymore
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> Small_Mac: ok.. lol.. I was just winder if maybe there was a better way of doing it.
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: if you are only accessing the command line from kde... you could add an option to the konsole startup instead of editing your bashrc
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> sorry... I mean Small_Mac
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: hmm.. I don't know. not having 3.5.7 myself.
[02:41] <jordo23> How do you save your session settings without logging off? Is there a way?
[02:41] <amedeo_> but can you say me how to set automount using terminal commands ?
[02:41] <Small_Mac> nosrednaekim ic, shoulda done that
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: no.. I don't know.
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: ask later maybe someone else will be around to help.
[02:43] <amedeo_> I tried do edit /etc/fstab ma it doesn't work ..
[02:44] <JuJuBee_> I got a zinger of a ? ....  I tried to upgrade from dapper to feisty all at once this morning.  I have just finished backing up everything on my computer that I hold sacred.  Before I flatten and start over, is there a way for me to recover?  maybe go to edgy first  then to feisty?  I cannot boot my current (very broken) os at the moment...
[02:45] <amedeo_> someone can help me  ?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee_: yeah.. go to edgy first.
[02:45] <JuJuBee_> How at this point?
[02:45] <dwidmann> jujubee: not sure if there's a way to recover or not, I do have a plan you can use that might allow you to recover though
[02:45] <will__> ubuntustudio-graphics has an outdated version of blender, do you know where it installed it so I can drop newer binaries over it?
[02:46] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : format and install :)
[02:46] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: no, that's not what I was thinking
[02:47] <JuJuBee_> Good, what then?
[02:48] <luca> hi everyone
[02:48] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann ?
[02:49] <luca> I need to modify the fstab file so that one partition is mounted as r/w from anyone
[02:49] <luca> what lines should I add to the file?
[02:50] <epimeth> luca: that depends.... what is the current line?
[02:50] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: boot live, mount the partition and chroot into it, then run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:50] <luca> dwidmann: /dev/sda5   /media/Data   vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=000  0    0
[02:51] <dwidmann> luca: hmm, not sure, I haven't done that in a while, let me take a look at the manpage and see if I can come up with something
[02:52] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : not familiar with chroot syntax...
[02:52] <luca> dwidmann: ok thanks :)
[02:53] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: well, chroot = change root, so you'll want to use the mountpoint as the argument - ex: "chroot /media/sdc5"
[02:54] <dwidmann> luca: how does it behave with the umaks set to 777?
[02:55] <luca> dwidmann: let me modify it - a simple umount and then mount should be able to do the trick, right?
[02:55] <dwidmann> luca: yup
[02:56] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /dev/sda1
[02:56] <JuJuBee_> chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/sda1: Not a directory
[02:57] <epimeth> luca: try the fourth column as "rw,user,iocharset=utf8,umask=000"
[02:57] <JuJuBee_> I can mount /dev/sda1
[02:57] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: like I said, it takes a directory as an argument
[02:58] <maynards-girl> hi. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 and I went to install firefox but the installer crahsed.  now I't won't let me use the add/remove progrmas- it says it's being used already.  I rebooted and logged out several times and I still can add/remove programs. what do I do?
[02:58] <luca> I am not able to umount
[02:58] <luca> something strange going on - rebooting
[02:58] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : i mounted /dev/sda1 on /media/oldHD
[02:58] <luca> see ya in a sec
[02:58] <dwidmann> luca: okay
[02:58] <epimeth> luca: and if that doesn't work try it with what I just did and a umask of 777
[02:58] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: then "sudo chroot /media/oldHD"
[02:58] <JuJuBee_> Forgot the sudo...
[02:59] <epimeth> dwidmann: who still uses fat32???
[02:59] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: oops, guess I should have mentioned that, then again, it probably would have thrown a pretty obvious message
[02:59] <JuJuBee_> Evil_DuDe: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:59] <dwidmann> epimeth: people looking for compatibility between windows and linux
[02:59] <epimeth> and whats wrong with ntfs-3g?
[03:00] <dwidmann> epimeth: beats me. At any rate, fat32 writing in linux is older and more stable.
[03:00] <JuJuBee_> Weird, where did the vil_DuDe come from?  I pasted the erro from the apt-get...
[03:01] <BluesKaj> dam , lost my windows mbr after updating the linux kernel ... I have the grub menu.lst open for editing but i don't know what i should add for booting windows
[03:01] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: have you tried running "apt-get -f install" like it suggested?
[03:01] <JuJuBee_> Yes, No go.  Same errors I was getting earilier...
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: not a problem.. lemme get my entry for windows
[03:01] <epimeth> dwidmann: true... and uncomfortable tho I am using alpha software (or is ntfs-3g beta at this point?), I nor anyone I know has ever had a problem with it...
[03:01] <BluesKaj> cool, nosrednaekim
[03:01] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: might be something in the examples
[03:01] <JuJuBee_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/metacity-common_1%3a2.18.2-0ubuntu1.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:01] <JuJuBee_> and more about metacity...
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> ok > BluesKaj
[03:02] <dwidmann> epimeth: last I checked it was beta, but it may even be marked stable by now
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: what..how to I PM?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> yeah i looked them dwidmann , but they don't seem to apply
[03:02] <bobesponja> hey
[03:03] <bobesponja>  is there a way to start an application in a specific language?
[03:03] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: tryh deleting that file, mayhap its corrupt
[03:03] <epimeth> dwidmann: it does seem to be reguarded as stable.  I always warn people about "using it at your own risk" but i don't see anyone else giving that warning
[03:03] <JuJuBee_> I did that earlier and let it re-fetch it and same thing...
[03:04] <dwidmann> bobesponja: may be able to do it from konsole. If so, it'd probably involve something like exporting a variable before starting the program
[03:05] <JuJuBee_> Think I've had enough messin round, time to just flatten the system and reinstall...
[03:05] <bobesponja> dwidmann: yep, that's what I was thinking, but I have no idea which varialbe it is
[03:05] <Nuked> I have a problem... both kdm and gdm are freezing up on me when I try to login.. after a series of reboots, I am able to log in. I am using feisty x86_64
[03:05] <dwidmann> epimeth: it seems it has had a stable release
[03:05] <dwidmann> bobesponja: perhaps the LANG variable
[03:05] <epimeth> !ntfs-3g
[03:05] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:06] <JuJuBee_> I have 80GB laptop.  Figured I'd do /, /home, and swap... Suggestions on size?
[03:06] <JuJuBee_> 1GB ram
[03:06] <epimeth> !info ntfs-3g
[03:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.328-1 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 88 kB
[03:06] <Nuked> BluesKaj, I never got to thank you the other day, so thanks
[03:06] <dwidmann> bobesponja: mine is defaulting to LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[03:06] <BluesKaj> np  Nuked :)
[03:06] <shachaf> Is there a good alternative to NetowrkManager that supports WPA and can list visible networks? I'm using nm-applet at the moment, and was considering switching to knetworkmanager, but both are GUI based. Is there nothing console-based?
[03:07] <Nuked> you wouldnt happen to have another solution under your hat for this problem would you?
[03:07] <luca> ok the 777 trick did not function :)
[03:07] <bobesponja> dwidmann: indeed, that's it, thanx a lot :-)
[03:07] <shachaf> I want either different front-end or a new system, as long as it works well (which includes being controllable from the console).
[03:08] <dwidmann> bobesponja: my spectacular intuition strikes yet again :D
[03:08] <luca> dwidmann: the trick did not do it :) other ideas?
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: did you mess around with your xorg.... install any new driverss?
[03:09] <ritalin> you wanna put your feet on my rug dont ya?
[03:09] <epimeth> shachaf: yea... /etc/network/interfaces :-)
[03:09] <epimeth> shachaf: where you from?
[03:09] <Nuked> nosrednaekim, a while ago I tried to get xgl to work
[03:09] <dwidmann> luca: how about setting the uid and gid?
[03:09] <epimeth> luca: you ignoring me on purpose? :-p
[03:10] <epimeth> luca: try the fourth column as "rw,user,iocharset=utf8,umask=000"
[03:10] <dwidmann> for a full list of options, you can run "man mount" and scroll down the part about "fat options"
[03:10] <epimeth> luca: and if that doesn't work try it with what I just did and a umask of 777
[03:10] <luca> epimeth: I had to reboot twice :)
[03:10] <shachaf> epimeth: That neither lists networks nor works with WPA. :-)
[03:10] <epimeth> luca: why?  what was wrong?
[03:10] <Nuked> nosrednaekim, it also prevents me from logging out of my account sometimes, and I have to power off
[03:10] <dwidmann> epimeth: well, the umask=777 apparently didn't work, that's what I suggested
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: that probably didn't do it if its been awhile.
[03:10] <shachaf> epimeth: I see you recognized my name. :-)
[03:10] <luca> nothing still a fresh installation, had to disable coupla things :)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: I assume you updated kdm?
[03:11] <Nuked> 3.5.7
[03:11] <epimeth> dwidmann: you didn't tell luca to add rw and user
[03:11] <Nuked> but I experienced the same problems with gdm
[03:11] <dwidmann> epimeth: nope, guess I didn't
[03:11] <epimeth> shachaf: oh.. wpa... :-p
[03:11] <Nuked> and I switched to kdm thinking it would help
[03:11] <epimeth> shachaf: and that doesn't answer the "where you from" question!
[03:12] <luca> epimeth: it did not do it :(
[03:12] <epimeth> luca: with rw and user?
[03:12] <epimeth> luca: hrm... do you need it to be all or is just you good enough?
[03:12] <shachaf> epimeth: .il
[03:13] <epimeth> shachaf: sof sof od israeli... meatsben oti she #ubunti-il tamid reik
[03:14] <epimeth> shachaf: yesh sipur meachorei hashem o ze stam?
[03:14] <luca> epimeth: it is my primary data partition, I need user r/w access :(
[03:14] <epimeth> luca: but again, is it just you're user or all users?
[03:14] <ritalin> who is mike jones is here!
[03:14] <epimeth> erm.. s/you're/your
[03:15] <luca> epimeth: my user I guess would be good enough
[03:15] <ritalin> holla at yo boy
[03:15] <maynards-girl> hi. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 and I went to install firefox but the installer crahsed.  now I't won't let me use the add/remove progrmas- it says it's being used already.  I rebooted and logged out several times and I still can add/remove programs. what do I do?
[03:15] <luca> try on the console a 'dpkg --configure -a'
[03:16] <luca> without the '
[03:16] <JuJuBee_> I just can't catch a break....  Running installer for kubuntu... Prepare disk space... How do you want to partition the disk?  No choices, just a blank page... Can only press cancel...
[03:16] <epimeth> luca: you don't sound too sure about the "good enough"... but if it *is* enough, add uid=<your user id> to the 4th column as well, and you should be good
[03:17] <epimeth> JuJuBee_: ouch... have you tried the non-gui installer?
[03:17] <JuJuBee_> no
[03:17] <shachaf> epimeth: Sorry, I got disconnected (again).
[03:17] <luca> ok now I will try it thanks
[03:17] <JuJuBee_> never used it
[03:17] <epimeth> JuJuBee_: then may I suggest downloading the alternate install disk and giving it a shot?
[03:17] <shachaf> epimeth: Not especially, that I know of.
[03:18] <JuJuBee_> Would using kopete have anything to do with it?
[03:18] <Small_Mac> !paste
[03:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:18] <JuJuBee_> Im on machine I wish to install on...
[03:18] <epimeth> shachaf: ah... ani ha'iti "betzevet shachaf" rov mehasherut sheli, az chashavti sheulai gam ata :-)
[03:19] <Small_Mac> k trying to run the script pasted at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24348/, that file came with a make file and that's it, when i tried to build it, it complains bascially can't find the header files, where would these header files be in kubuntu feisty, i did a search on root folder, none of the header files came up
[03:19] <epimeth> Small_Mac: apt-get install build-essential ?
[03:20] <shachaf> epimeth: No, it's just my name. :-)
[03:20] <epimeth> shachaf: sababa
[03:20] <Nuked> so no one has any clues?
[03:20] <Small_Mac> epimeth hmm will definitely try that
[03:20] <epimeth> Nuked: sorry? what was the problem?
[03:21] <Nuked> kdm/gdm keep freezing upon login
[03:21] <Nuked> and prevents me from logging out
[03:21] <epimeth> Nuked: sorry mate, beyond my scope atm
[03:21] <Small_Mac> epimeth thx very much, couldn't believe i forgot to install build-essential when i reinstalled kubuntu, thx
[03:21] <epimeth> lol @ Small_Mac
[03:21] <epimeth> happens to all of us...
[03:21] <Small_Mac> yup =)
[03:21] <epimeth> hrm... that reminds me... did *I* install it?
[03:22] <epimeth> oh yea.. I did... compiled sound drivers a few weeks ago ^.^
[03:22] <maynards-girl> luca, thanks! I tried that but it didn't work, so I rebooted and then it worked. thanks !
[03:22] <shachaf> epimeth: So no idea regarding NetworkManager?
[03:22] <epimeth> but now on kernel update sound disapeared again... pisses me off that this is a Known Issue and nobody is doing anything about it... damn realtek/intel hda sound card!
[03:23] <shachaf> epimeth: (The truth is that knetworkmanager was only an excuse to go to a less busy channel than #ubuntu, so my messages wouldn't get lost in the noise...)
[03:23] <epimeth> shachaf: sorry mate... I use knetworkmanager with no problems... now and then it won't start on boot, but a quick kill and alt+space knetwo<enter> fixes that right up :-)
[03:23] <Sean_> ^:ADCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[03:24] <Sean_> wtf?
[03:24] <epimeth> who the hell is peer and why does he keep reseting connections?!?
[03:24] <epimeth> :-D
[03:24] <shachaf> epimeth: I'm trying to stay away from GUI programs as much as possible.
[03:24] <klobster> epimeth: hda sound issues?
[03:25] <shachaf> epimeth: Especially since I switched to xmonad -- keeping trayer running in the background all the time is very annoying.
[03:25] <epimeth> shachaf: I hear you, but afaik there isn't yet a cli tool for WPA
[03:25] <klobster> shachaf: what is the issue?
[03:25] <epimeth> shachaf: but I don't know much about wireless besides my own issues
[03:25] <klobster> btw: evening everyone
[03:25] <epimeth> shachaf: so that isn't saying much....
[03:25] <epimeth> klobster: evening?  its 4:20am!
[03:25] <Nuked> thats odd that you are having issues with realtek and intel hda
[03:25] <Nuked> I have both and I have never had a problem
[03:26] <shachaf> klobster: I want a front-end or alternative to NetworkManager that would work with WPA and WEP, would display the list of networks, and would work from the console.
[03:26] <epimeth> Nuked: ?!?!?  that just pisses me off! what card?
[03:26] <Nuked> 8197 or something like that
[03:26] <Nuked> its integrated into the motherboard
[03:26] <Nuked> both of which work flawlessly on my other feisty computer
[03:27] <epimeth> Nuked: mine's ALC862 chipset onboard
[03:27] <Nuked> yeah If I remember correctly thats the soundcard
[03:27] <shachaf> epimeth: There is wpa_supplicant and friends.
[03:27] <shachaf> epimeth: I could figure out how to use them, I guess.
[03:28] <epimeth> shachaf: good luck ^.^
[03:28] <epimeth> shachaf: always fun learning the "real" way to do things
[03:28] <brian__> anyone here been able to stream wma through konqueror?
[03:28] <epimeth> Nuked: and you're having no problems???
[03:28] <klobster> shachaf: hmm let me take a look
[03:29] <shachaf> epimeth: I wonder how difficult it would be to write a console interface to NetworkManager.
[03:29] <epimeth> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2725 <-- my sound issue, Nuked
[03:29] <shachaf> epimeth: That's the problem with all these fancy modern tools... You write the CLI program FIRST, then the GUI, not the other way around.
[03:30] <epimeth> shachaf: "difficult" being a relative term :-)
[03:30] <Nuked> epimeth not a single problem
[03:30] <Nuked> and I have had that computer for a while now
[03:30] <epimeth> shachaf: I find most are like that unless they really are built for QT or GTK on purpose... IE dolphin, gftpgrabber, kwallet, etc etc
[03:31] <Small_Mac> !pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:31] <epimeth> Small_Mac: you *just* asked ubotu about pastebin... if you're not careful he won't help you anymore :-)
[03:31] <shachaf> epimeth: I don't know dolphin and gftpgrabber, but isn't kwallet a password manager?
[03:32] <epimeth> shachaf: yup... for gui apps :-)
[03:32] <shachaf> epimeth: There's no reason not to split it into "libwallet", "wallet", and "kwallet".
[03:32] <Small_Mac> epimeth sort of same question as b4, i installed build-essential and when i did the make command, the error message is in the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24349/ could u take a peek at it hehe
[03:32] <Small_Mac> epimeth ya i'll scroll up next time
[03:32] <epimeth> shachaf: dolphin is "the" kde file manager, gftpgrabber is "the" kde ftp client
[03:33] <shachaf> epimeth: "gftpgrabber" is a KDE program?
[03:33] <shachaf> epimeth: That's odd.
[03:33] <shachaf> epimeth: (I thought konqueror was "the" KDE file manager?)
[03:33] <epimeth> shachaf: did I write g?  whups... kftpgrabber
[03:33] <epimeth> and I did it a few times!?!?  damn...
[03:34] <epimeth> konqueror is the kde everything... big, bulky, and ugly
[03:34] <strabes> konqueror is the kde file manager for kde 3
[03:34] <epimeth> KDE4 is switching to dolphin as default for file manager
[03:34] <luca> dwidmann: evrything solved, even if the file is still the same :-/ I uninstalled and rerun the Automatix script which modified the fstab in the first place and now everything is fine...
[03:34] <shachaf> epimeth: Well, OK.
[03:34] <strabes> dolphin will be it in kde 4
[03:34] <strabes> i don't like dolphin
[03:34] <shachaf> epimeth: kftpgrabber is fine... Because there's also an FTP protocol and an "ftp" CLI program.
[03:35] <epimeth> strabes: I use dolphin in kde3... just cuz its not installed by default doesn't mean you have to commit yourself to a monstrosity (imo)
[03:35] <luca> epimeth: I hope however that dolphin will have the same power konqueror has about file management
[03:35] <klobster> shachaf is wpa_cli or wpa_supplicant what you are looking for? (also try wpa_<TAB> for other related tools)
[03:35] <shachaf> epimeth: And a curses frontend, and a GTK frontend, and anything else you can thing of.
[03:35] <shachaf> klobster: Yes, I saw those before.
[03:35] <luca> epimeth: the ideal would be something as clear as dolphin and as powerful as krusader :)
[03:35] <shachaf> klobster: How well do they work?
[03:35] <epimeth> luca: the only thing its lacking right now is program specific context menus... I can't right click to unpackage something
[03:36] <shachaf> klobster: Are they an all-around solution (list networks, etc.)?
[03:36] <epimeth> luca: how'd the uid thing work?  mounting okay now?
[03:36] <luca> epimeth: wrong, it still misses the integrated konsole...and sync would be a plus
[03:36] <luca> epimeth: now it's smooth
[03:36] <BluesKaj> ok grub is fixed
[03:36] <strabes> epimeth: I know; i tried out dolphin awhile back but ended up sticking with dolphin. Once you enable all of the options that are hidden by default in kubuntu it's much better
[03:36] <strabes> epimeth: sticking with konqueror*
[03:37] <epimeth> luca: hrm... integrated konsole?  what do you mean?
[03:37] <luca> I do not understand what went awry before - now root is still the owner, but everybody has r/w/exec access
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: did it work?
[03:37] <luca> epimeth: open your old konqueror and press F8 :)
[03:37] <luca> in a folder obviously :)
[03:37] <epimeth> ooohhhh... pretty
[03:37] <BluesKaj> yup , thx muchly nosrednaekim :)
[03:37] <epimeth> and useful!
[03:37] <klobster> shachaf yeah, I believe they will do all you are asking, but check the man pages for running them; I think you need to start one of them before using the others...
[03:38] <epimeth> I'm sure they'll have that by the time kde4 comes along, tho
[03:38] <luca> pretty? It's something so vital I cannot use anything else but konqueror for file management now :D and yeah they should
[03:38] <klobster> shachaf: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wpa_supplicant#WPA_CLI
[03:38] <epimeth> luca: so just rw,user did the trick? or did you need 777 as well?
[03:38] <luca> it's in the dolphin roadmap
[03:39] <luca> epimeth: nothing of the sort, which is wickedly strange
[03:39] <BluesKaj> I'm curious nosrednaekim ...what's the basis or meaning (if there is one) of yer nick ?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: good.
[03:39] <luca> I rerun the automatix script, fstab looks exactly as it did before I came here, but now I have r/w/exec access
[03:39] <epimeth> luca: you mean what you had originally was enough?  that doesn't sound right...
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: read it backwrds
[03:39] <luca> I guess there was an error in the .hal-mtab-lock file
[03:40] <shachaf> klobster: Thanks, I'll look into it.
[03:40] <BluesKaj> Doh! :)
[03:40] <luca> epimeth: as I said, it is wickedly strange, but I assume there was some error in that unreadable-unless-you-are-in-rescue-mode file
[03:40] <luca> now it seems fine
[03:40] <epimeth> luca: meh... don't you love it how "reconfigure" fixes so many problems :-)
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: the PClinusOS guys got it right away...maybe they are smarter...
[03:41] <shachaf> luca: Wait, automatix chmods fstab 777? I heard it was bad, but I didn't think it was THAT bad.
[03:41] <BluesKaj> geezus , I shudda spotted that ...my mother's maiden name :)
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh really? cool.
[03:41] <shachaf> luca: (/me is probably misunderstanding everything, I didn't read your earlier messages.)
[03:41] <BluesKaj> I'm old and a bit slow , mike
[03:42] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: "smarter" or just "are used to thinking in convoluted ways"? :-p
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> lol... good point
[03:42] <BluesKaj> yeah , i'm pretty linear and conventional
[03:42] <klobster> epimeth: did you ask about this in #alsa?
[03:42] <luca> shachaf: no, it is 000
[03:43] <luca> not 777
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: I guess they are kinda "backwards"
[03:43] <shachaf> luca: Automatix chmods fstab 000?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> :-P
[03:43] <luca> shachaf: and it is not bad - it's wonderful, as I personally hate having to configure such things by hand :D
[03:43] <BluesKaj> PClinux won't install on my pc AMD64
[03:43] <shachaf> luca: Mine is 644.
[03:44] <luca> shachaf: no wait it does not do chmod on the fstab
[03:44] <epimeth> klobster: nah... I wrote a few messages on the link I posted earlier... I'm not in a rush really.  I'd rather wait for a proper solution and not muck around with patches
[03:44] <luca> the line regarding the partition has =000
[03:44] <luca> the fstab is still with right permissions
[03:44] <luca> epimeth: yeah in any case I love how reconfiguring solves many things :D
[03:44] <Jack3> anyone here use OpenDNS?
[03:44] <shachaf> luca: I heard it apt-gets from unverified repositories with --force-all and modifies your sources.list without asking.
[03:45] <shachaf> Jack3: I do, sometimes.
[03:45] <Jack3> are yo using it right now
[03:45] <Jack3> because my irc works but i cant load webpaegs
[03:45] <epimeth> oh noes! my X won't run cuz I installed the wrong video drivers!  "reconfigure X!" thank you reconman!
[03:45] <luca> shachaf: dunno if it uses --force, does not seem the case here
[03:45] <Jack3> maybe you could get me the ip for googles page so i can see if i can load it
[03:45] <shachaf> Jack3: No, let me switch.
[03:45] <luca> in any case the repository is not hidden
[03:46] <klobster> epimeth: well, either way, check out these scripts wishie wrote: http://www.wishie.net/alsa/index.php?task=scripts
[03:46] <luca> repoS
[03:46] <shachaf> Jack3: DNS seems to work with OpenDNS for me.
[03:46] <Jack3> shit
[03:46] <shachaf> Jack3: Which address are you resolving?
[03:46] <klobster> epimeth: the alsa-info is brilliant
[03:46] <Jack3> google
[03:46] <Jack3> can you tell me googles ip
[03:46] <klobster> ping google.com
[03:46] <luca> shachaf: it adds the archive.ubuntu.com and archive.canonical.com repos - they are not s$$t :D
[03:46] <shachaf> Jack3: I have 64.233.167.99
[03:46] <Jack3> hmm not workin either
[03:47] <shachaf> Jack3: And IRC does work?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> Jack3: 64.233.167.147
[03:47] <shachaf> Jack3: What about other IPs?
[03:47] <klobster> anyone know how/if i can grep the CD label out of an ISO file?
[03:47] <shachaf> Jack3: 128.36.229.215 should also work.
[03:48] <klobster> 64.233.187.99
[03:48] <epimeth> Small_Mac: sorry I was neglecting you... seems like you're missing the X header files?  I really don't know...
[03:48] <shachaf> Everyone has a different IP for Google, but it doesn't matter, they should all work for Jack3.
[03:48] <epimeth> Small_Mac: maybe you need to install the xorg dev package....
[03:49] <shachaf> Small_Mac: Xlib.h is in libx11-dev.
[03:50] <epimeth> ahh.. I see the israeli seagull has his uses
[03:50] <shachaf> epimeth: dpkg -S Xlib.h :-)
[03:51] <BluesKaj> klobster, if you install acetoneiso ,you may be able to collect info from it's image browser option
[03:51] <epimeth> there is definitely something to be said about dpkg and its brothers... I soooo don't miss the days when knowledge of how to compile was a requirement
[03:51] <shachaf> epimeth: It's not?
[03:51] <shachaf> epimeth: It is for me.
[03:52] <epimeth> klobster: cheers for the link... I'll bookmark and take a look later
[03:52] <BluesKaj> compiling is neat ...sometimes a hit and miss tho depending on the config and make file setup
[03:52] <shachaf> epimeth: How would I configure dwm/xmonad, after all? :-)
[03:52] <klobster> epimeth: yup.  I've been very impressed with the ops in #alsa
[03:52] <epimeth> shachaf: why? what have you *had* to compile recently
[03:52] <Small_Mac> epimeth that did the trick, the xorg-dev package, i just installed it after googling and came back realizing u already told me to do the same =)
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: Well, xmonad is one.
[03:53] <epimeth> Small_Mac: lol.. nice
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> gentoo?lol.
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: I compile pretty much all Haskell programs except for ghc and darcs.
[03:53] <klobster> BluesKaj: I was hoping for a less robust solution.  is that a repo package?
[03:53] <luca> uhm one thing
[03:53] <epimeth> shachaf: whats that?
[03:53] <epimeth> erm... those?
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: Which, xmonad?
[03:53] <Small_Mac> shachaf thanks, i looked that up too, i installed it as well just to be safe and so i have to read less possible convoluting error messages =)
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: A window manager.
[03:53] <luca> do you know how to compile a linux kernel with support for a nvidia card and ipw3945 driver?
[03:54] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, I'm afraid gentoo is still kinda daunting for the likes of me  :)
[03:54] <epimeth> shachaf: I have to say I'm perfectly happy with kdm/kde... don't even feel a slight pull to try new ones out atm.  maybe next year....
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> yep... me too..tho my brother swears by it.
[03:55] <RawSewage> if I want to op all, whats the Konversation command.   /op *   doesnt work
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yes klobster
[03:55] <epimeth> shachaf: az eifo ata gar?  ani vechaver sheli m'yerushalaiim choshvim sheulai igia hazman lehatchil leshavek at kubuntu ktsat ba'aretz.
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> what is op?
[03:56] <shachaf> epimeth: Oops, I'll be back in a bit (dinner).
[03:56] <epimeth> shachaf: ata meunyan leshachnea anashim lehagiya le #ubuntu-il?
[03:56] <luca> well thanks for the help everybody
[03:56] <luca> gotta leave :)
[03:56] <RawSewage> nosrednaekim, channel operator
[03:56] <epimeth> luca: any time :-)
[03:56] <luca> see ya 'round :)
[03:56] <shachaf> epimeth: That should give you a hint about my time zone. :-)
[03:57] <epimeth> shachaf: yea... gmt-5/6?
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> shachaf: west coast of the US?
[03:57] <epimeth> shachaf: come home!
[03:57] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: no, he's israeli... dinner is at earliest 9pm :-
[03:57] <epimeth> :-)
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: lol.
[03:58] <ejortegau> anybody around with a deep understanding of CSS?
[03:58] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: that wasn't a joke... :-)
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: no? wow...
[03:58] <epimeth> ejortegau: how deep are we talking here?
[03:58] <dwidmann> ejortegau: CSS as in Cascading stylesheets or the Content scrambling sysem?
[03:58] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: well, half so anyway... 8pm or so
[03:58] <dwidmann> or some other CSS?
[03:58] <ejortegau> epimeth: well, don't really know, maybe not much... i don't really know much about it. this is my question: is there any reason why firefox wont display a bg image defined on my css file for a <td> but it will display it if i define the style="background-image..." inliine?
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: my knowledge is below "C" level....deep enough?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:59] <ejortegau> dwidmann: stylesheets
[03:59] <ejortegau> hahahha
[03:59] <epimeth> ejortegau: hrm... that's a good question
[04:00] <ejortegau> yeah... i've been fighting with this for the las 45 minutes or so...
[04:00] <epimeth> ejortegau: you wanna paste the relevant pages?
[04:00] <ejortegau> sure, gimme a sec
[04:00] <ejortegau> linkto them or what do you need?
[04:01] <husrev> hi
[04:01] <epimeth> !paste | ejortegau
[04:01] <ubotu> ejortegau: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> hi.
[04:01] <epimeth> husrev: yarg matey
[04:01] <husrev> after installing kubuntu-desktop on ubutu feisty, vmware server gives error
[04:01] <ejortegau> epimeth: http://unification.phys.uregina.ca:3080/atlasregina/index.php
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> husrev: and what is the error?
[04:02] <ejortegau> let me know when you see it, then i'll remove the inline declaration so you see the problem...
[04:02] <wayl8> join #asle
[04:02] <husrev> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:02] <husrev> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:02] <husrev> any idea?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> husrev: how are you running vmware? are you using "sudo"?
[04:02] <Minataku> wayl8: Once is a mistake, twice is getting suspicious
[04:02] <husrev> typing su following by password
[04:02] <Minataku> Please don't spam
[04:03] <husrev> after that typng vmware
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> husrev: ok... you have to do "kdesu vmware"
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> don't log into su first
[04:03] <Minataku> If you're using VMWare server, run it as a regular user
[04:04] <epimeth> ejortegau: goferit
[04:04] <husrev> ok it runs
[04:04] <Minataku> Only perform maintenance and setup as root
[04:04] <husrev> thank you
[04:04] <husrev> i c
[04:04] <ejortegau> epimeth: sorry?
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: I had problems running as regular user.
[04:04] <silveira> anyone is using democracy player well in kubuntu?
[04:04] <epimeth> ejortegau: go for it
[04:04] <husrev> sudo and kdesu gives temporary (for only one command) root right, yeah?
[04:04] <ejortegau> done
[04:04] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: It should be launched by root
[04:05] <ejortegau> big black square on top right cornet
[04:05] <ejortegau> corner
[04:05] <Minataku> As in, the server component started
[04:05] <BluesKaj> ejortegau, is just promoting his school, out on the lone prairies of saskatchewan :)
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> husrev: yeah.
[04:05] <husrev> thank you again
[04:05] <Minataku> After that, you should run VMs as a regular user
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> husrev: but sudo won't work with graphical apps.
[04:05] <ejortegau> BluesKaj: lol
[04:05] <Minataku> Of course Kubuntu may pull some silly crap that I'm not aware of
[04:06] <BluesKaj> <---near sudbury ontario here , ejortegau :)
[04:06] <epimeth> ejortegau: well first of all, you *really* have to start using divs for layout... this table crap is pase', slow, inefficiant, ugly, and well.. just plain unacceptable.  but that's just my professional opinion ^.^  I'm looking at the css file now
[04:07] <Minataku> sudo CAN work with graphical applications, but most of the time the DISPLAY var isn't set so it fails
[04:07] <Minataku> There's a way to do it, I believe, but I don't know it
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: true... but thats the purpose of kdesu;)
[04:08] <ejortegau> epimeth: lol
[04:08] <Dragnslcr> Minataku- yeah, kdesu is what you'd need
[04:08] <ejortegau> epimeth: sorry, i suck at designing, so i took a free template and modded it a little bit
[04:10] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Nah, kdesu is just a lame workaround to an easily rectified problem
[04:10] <Minataku> Laziness is no excuse to write an entirely separate application
[04:10] <ejortegau> epimeth: don't worry, found  the solution
[04:10] <Minataku> Especially when simply using su is enough to solve it as well
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: it does cool kde stuff too..... especially when you don't have sudo installed (gentoo, suse)
[04:10] <epimeth> ejortegau: url(../images/topbar1bg.jpg)
[04:11] <ejortegau> yep
[04:11] <Minataku> I use Gentoo and I don't use KDE
[04:11] <ejortegau> that was it
[04:11] <ejortegau> i don't quite understand why, but that's the way it is, so...
[04:11] <epimeth> ejortegau: url() is relative to the directory the css file is in
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: well..w/e
[04:11] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just in a bit of a sour mood
[04:12] <BluesKaj> is gentoo debian based ?
[04:12] <Minataku> BluesKaj: No
[04:12] <Minataku> Hell no
[04:12] <Minataku> It's a separate distro entirely
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: its source based
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> its really almost BSD based
[04:12] <BluesKaj> ok, but i hear it's hell to install
[04:13] <epimeth> and do me a favor... change <td class="top" .... > to <td id="toptd" ..... > and td.top { css stuff } to td#toptd { css stuff }.   that is *definitely* not a class for tds :-)
[04:13] <Minataku> BluesKaj: If you don't follow the handbook
[04:13] <epimeth> ejortegau: ^
[04:13] <dwidmann> time consuming too, that's the main barrier keeping me from grabbing it
[04:13] <Minataku> Or don't know ANYTHING about your computer
[04:13] <BluesKaj> nomenclature is more than just arcane
[04:13] <Minataku> On a modern computer, Gentoo's initial install will take about 10 hours
[04:13] <Minataku> Run it when you're not around and you have no argument
[04:13] <epimeth> question thats been bugging me for a little while... where did inttab go?
[04:13] <dwidmann> define "modern computer"
[04:14] <Dragnslcr> Gentoo is for people that need very fine control over everything in the system
[04:14] <Minataku> dwidmann: Built during or after 2004
[04:14] <BluesKaj> 10hrs?
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> heh... open office takes 5 hours to compile..
[04:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It's probably less
[04:14] <dwidmann> Oh good, then I guess mine's modern
[04:14] <ejortegau> epimeth: i think i'll just leave it inline, considering i'm not going to reuse it, but anyway, it's good to know why it wasn't working
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> kde probably almost that
[04:14] <Minataku> I'm basing it off of Piyoko's time when I reinstalled, she clocked 14hrs
[04:14] <Dragnslcr> Gentoo may very well be the exact opposite purpose of Ubuntu
[04:15] <BluesKaj> sounds beyond my scope , Minataku
[04:15] <dwidmann> KDE takes only about 2 hours to compile
[04:15] <epimeth> ejortegau: good luck :-)
[04:15] <dwidmann> for me anyway
[04:15] <dwidmann> IIRC
[04:15] <Jucato> !upstart | epimeth
[04:15] <ubotu> epimeth: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:15] <jordo23> Does KDE have a utility to convert .CHM files to something readable?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: oh..ok
[04:15] <Jucato> epimeth: that's where inittab went
[04:15] <epimeth> wow... Jucato is alive!
[04:15] <epimeth> :-p
[04:15] <epimeth> cheers mate
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> COOL!
[04:15] <Jucato> !info kchmviewer | jordo23
[04:15] <ubotu> jordo23: kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 210 kB, installed size 640 kB
[04:15] <Minataku> dwidmann: So with a very recent system you could probably have it from zero to base in maybe 6hrs
[04:16] <dwidmann> Minataku: guess I could figure on 7 or so then
[04:16] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey Jucato....thanks
[04:16] <Minataku> If you have a dual core, reduce by maybe 40%
[04:16] <Jucato> (depends on what you consider "base". you can have a CLI base in Gentoo in less than an hour depending if you have downloaded stage3 already... but anyway offtopic)
[04:16] <dwidmann> 4 hours? No way
[04:16] <Minataku> You WILL screw up your first kernel compile, almost guaranteed
[04:17] <Minataku> But once you get the hang of it, you'll never screw one up again
[04:17] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:17] <dwidmann> Minataku: I've compiled a few kernels before, some of which I did screw up
[04:17] <ejortegau> epimeth: good! finally passed html 4.01 transitional :)
[04:17] <Minataku> dwidmann: It used to take me two or three tries
[04:17] <Minataku> Now I can do it 50 times perfect each one
[04:18] <intelikey> most likely cause  ?
[04:18] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed
[04:18] <dwidmann> Minataku: any trick to that?
[04:18] <Minataku> Plus it's great not needing an initrd/initramfs
[04:18] <Minataku> dwidmann: Once you have a proper configuration, when you grab new sources and go to configure them, it reads the current kernel's config and sets that
[04:18] <epimeth> ejortegau: and strict?
[04:18] <epimeth> ejortegau: :-p
[04:19] <Minataku> Then all you have to do is look around for new or interesting things/features
[04:19] <Minataku> And configure to taste
[04:19] <epimeth> ejortegau: I find strict makes cross-browser compatibilty much much easier
[04:19] <Minataku> If you mess up you can always try again
[04:19] <dwidmann> Minataku: and also hope I don't find bugs
[04:19] <Minataku> dwidmann: If anything, you'd be better off finding bugs in a kernel you compiled
[04:20] <Minataku> Since you can help the kernel team trace it
[04:20] <Minataku> I've done that, BTW
[04:20] <Minataku> My laptop was affected by a rather nasty ACPI bug
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> speaking of laptops... anyone want a wattmeter for one?
[04:20] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed      nobody have clue-by-four ?
[04:21] <dwidmann> Minataku: true, though when you find bugs it does suck in the meantime
[04:21] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: whowhatnow?
[04:21] <FireHazard17> Minataku: what happened?
[04:21] <Minataku> intelikey: A dependent module, sound-slot-0 failed to be inserted
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: first of all why the 2.4 kernel?
[04:21] <Minataku> intelikey: Check dmesg to see if there's any more info as to why
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: a wattmeter... to tell you how many watts your laptop is taking while running off of batteryies
[04:21] <Minataku> dwidmann: Eh... I lost platform-specific ACPI support for a month or two
[04:21] <Minataku> No biggie
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> can help you power manage
[04:22] <intelikey> dmesg is blank on that
[04:22] <Minataku> FireHazard17: My model of laptop had a memory leak when the ACPI subsystem was polled for info
[04:22] <intelikey> nosrednaekim why not
[04:22] <Minataku> I was running fnfxd for platform-specific support
[04:22] <Minataku> This polls ACPI maybe every 10 seconds
[04:22] <FireHazard17> Minataku: eww that sucks
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: because there are WAY more recent kernels... but lol... never mind..
[04:22] <Minataku> Yeah, you could see where that went
[04:22] <Minataku> I helped them trace and fix it
[04:23] <Minataku> It's long gone now
[04:23] <Minataku> 2.4 is still active
[04:23] <FireHazard17> Minataku: cool
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> its up at .34 now though right?
[04:23] <intelikey> nosrednaekim why would i "want" a more recent kernel ?    2.4 is years newer than any hardware it will be running here....  ?
[04:23] <Minataku> It's a fairly good choice for systems with space restrictions
[04:23] <ejortegau> hm, now that you speack about acpi... someone told me that hibernation would not work on my laptop unless a sort of "switched off" the second processor... any ideas how to do that?
[04:23] <Minataku> FireHazard17: Indeed
[04:24] <Minataku> 2.4 kernels are smaller than 2.6
[04:24] <Minataku> And most 2.6 drivers and such are backported
[04:24] <intelikey> indeed
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: ok. never mind.. I was under the impression that the newer the kernel the better
[04:24] <Minataku> That said, I won't use a 2.4 unless I absolutely need something supertiny
[04:24] <intelikey> nosrednaekim ok.
[04:24] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: yea? go try vista :-p
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: sorry.
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: haha... I was talking linux. but I see the point and defer.
[04:25] <epimeth> hmmm.. I wonder if the 2.4 kernel will locate *any* of this lappy's harware...
[04:26] <intelikey> so now with all the sound drivers as module why would i get that error ?
[04:26] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed
[04:26] <epimeth> speaking of which.... anybody know anything about biometric security for linux?  specifically fingerprint readers?
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> is insmod the 2.4 equivalent of modprobe?
[04:26] <intelikey> is it a "wrong" config arg   in module.conf  or something ?
[04:26] <Minataku> intelikey: Try to modprobe "sound-slot-0"
[04:27] <Minataku> Then check dmesg
[04:27] <Minataku> I'm hoping that the default log level on Kubuntu isn't set to some stupidly quiet level
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: no don't worry... it'll tell you if it errors out
[04:27] <Minataku> Yeah, but we need to know WHY
[04:28] <Minataku> This is Linux, not Windows
[04:28] <Minataku> Knowing that it failed isn't enough
[04:28] <intelikey> again dmesg is blank on that     didn't change.  but the modprobe command burped out lots of   "/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: unresolved symbol ..."
[04:28] <intelikey> so it's a version mismatch   right ?
[04:28] <Minataku> intelikey: Bingo
[04:28] <Minataku> Did you self-compile this?
[04:29] <intelikey> yes
[04:29] <Minataku> What's the current kernel you're running?
[04:29] <Minataku> Did you remember to "make modules-install"?
[04:29] <intelikey> well it's 2.4.27   but there is no subversion
[04:29] <intelikey> Minataku hehhe  /ver is useless   lol
[04:29] <Minataku> intelikey: Recompile, and make sure you follow all the compilation directions
[04:30] <Minataku> I don't know the commands for a 2.4
[04:30] <Minataku> I know them for a 2.6
[04:30] <Minataku> make all
[04:30] <Minataku> Er
[04:30] <Minataku> "make all; make modules-install; make install"
[04:30] <Minataku> 2.4 may require more, check "make help"
[04:30] <intelikey> Minataku yeah i'm rebuilding already.   it's  make config ;make dep ;make modules ; make  ;make install
[04:31] <Minataku> Hm
[04:31] <Minataku> I'd make the kernel first
[04:31] <Minataku> Before the modules
[04:31] <Nuked> sorry that I am repeating myself, but my gdm/kdm keep freezing, and when it allows me to login, after some time when I decide to log off the computer just hangs
[04:31] <Minataku> Though in a 2.6 it's done at the same time with "make all"
[04:31] <intelikey> not the order that the README says.
[04:31] <Minataku> intelikey: Ah, okay then
[04:32] <Minataku> Is there no "make modules-install" for a 2.4?
[04:32] <intelikey> yes   but make install  does the kernel and modules
[04:32] <Minataku> For a 2.6 you have to explicitly install the modules
[04:33] <BluesKaj> is the a list of modules that make up the base kernel ?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> there
[04:34] <intelikey> BluesKaj only the things that you "compile in"  what ever part is built as "modules" is just that.  modules.
[04:35] <Nuked> no clues at all?
[04:35] <intelikey> Nuked using kdm or gdm ?
[04:36] <Nuked> kdm at the moment
[04:36] <intelikey> Nuked and do you have remote login via ?dm enabled ?
[04:36] <Nuked> but the same problem occurs with both
[04:36] <Nuked> I dont think so
[04:36] <Nuked> how do I check
[04:36] <BluesKaj> ok , of what then does the kernel actually consist ?
[04:38] <ejortegau> thanks for your help guys
[04:38] <intelikey> BluesKaj i'm not really qualified to answer that.   but for the sake of an answer think of it like this.   there "kernel" is the program that runs everything else  and that program has to control how every other process acts/interacts/and responds.
[04:38] <intelikey> Nuked i think there is a section in kcontrol that can check kdm on that point.
[04:39] <Nuked> ill look into it
[04:40] <BluesKaj> ok intelikey , thanks ...makes sense
[04:40] <intelikey> Nuked you may also have log files that can help find the problem.  look in /var/log/  for anything with ?dm  or xorg  in it.
[04:40] <Minataku> The kernel is the core operational piece of the system
[04:40] <Minataku> It also contains the drivers necessary to interact with pieces of hardware present
[04:40] <intelikey> yep very little is done that doesn't pass through the kernel
[04:41] <Minataku> These drivers can either be compiled into the kernel, or compiled as modules to be inserted into the kernel when needed
[04:42] <intelikey> also "and i like this" you can configure the build process to include or exclude almost anything that the kernel is capable of.
[04:42] <Minataku> The Linux kernel is of a modular monolithic design, the kernel exists as one large inpedendent program with the option of insertable modules to expand functionality as required
[04:42] <Minataku> Correct
[04:42] <Minataku> To the point where parts like initrd/initramfs are not needed
[04:43] <intelikey> even the abality to insert/remove modules is a compile time option.
[04:43] <BluesKaj> sounds like a definition alright , Minataku :)
[04:43] <JuJuBee_> Just finished installing kubuntu feisty for the second time.  The first time no bootable HD after reboot.  Before I reboot, how do I check to see if my HD is bootable?
[04:43] <Nuked> !pastebin
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[04:43] <Minataku> The typical binary kernel is compiled with only what cannot be included as a module
[04:43] <Minataku> Everything that CAN be included as a module is
[04:44] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ good question.
[04:44] <Minataku> The critical modules are usually placed in the initrd/initramfs so they're available to be used on boot for critical pieces such as video and storage control
[04:44] <JuJuBee_> I thought so, got an answer?
[04:44] <Nuked> intelikey,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24353/
[04:44] <Nuked> thats one of them
[04:44] <Minataku> If those aren't present for some reason, you get an panic on boot attempt
[04:44] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ actually.  no.
[04:45] <intelikey> anyone able to answer JuJuBee_   ???
[04:45] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Make sure you've installed GRUB
[04:45] <JuJuBee_> How do  I check?
[04:46] <Minataku> Have you typed "grub-install" at any time?
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> there's always cfdisk to see if the boot flag is enabled
[04:46] <JuJuBee_> Thought I saw something about it installing on hd0.
[04:46] <JuJuBee_> Nope, using gui install.
[04:46] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Then it should be fine
[04:46] <JuJuBee_> Should have been fine the first time then...
[04:46] <Minataku> If it fails to boot you can always boot the installed system from a LiveCD with GRUB
[04:46] <Minataku> Then fix it from there manually
[04:47] <JuJuBee_> Use the boot from hd option?
[04:47] <Minataku> Yes
[04:47] <intelikey> Nuked lots of errors there but just scanning through i don't notice anything that would naturally affect kdm in an adverse mannor...
[04:47] <JuJuBee_> K.  I'll check.  bbs
[04:48] <Nuked> intelikey, what should I do?
[04:48] <Minataku> Ah... the Sun OpenBoot PROM Monitor... with classy CG6 logo and pretty OBP font
 there's always cfdisk to see if the boot flag is enabled <<< yes that would be one of many things needed for a disk to be bootable,,, or would it?   does grub care whether a partition is set bootable ?
[04:48] <Minataku> GRUB doesn't care, AFAIK
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> i thought it did
[04:49] <Minataku> Since GRUB is booted from the MBR
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> or am i thinking lilo again?
[04:49] <intelikey> definite not lilo
[04:49] <intelikey> lilo doesn't even care if it has partitions
[04:50] <hayden> Kubuntu is awesome.
[04:50] <hayden> It just is.
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, you're right if its on the MBR it shouldn't need it...
[04:50] <intelikey> yeah i marval at it too hayden   (maybe not for the same reasons...)
[04:50] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:51] <hayden> Well I switched from Fedora and everything was just so much easier.
[04:51] <hayden> Wireless configuration, samba shares, software installation/updates, everything.
[04:51] <Minataku> Eh... laziness factor...
[04:51] <hayden> Well easier doesn't mean less capable.
[04:51] <intelikey> i really don't know of a good test to see if bios will boot a disk      without rebooting.
[04:52] <Minataku> No offense, it just sounds like the typical Windows user, "F*ck doing it myself, I want it done for me"
[04:52] <hayden> Well
[04:52] <hayden> Before Fedora I used Windows.
[04:52] <hayden> There's nothing wrong with a level of simplicity.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: spoken like a true gentoo user :P
[04:52] <intelikey> indeed
[04:52] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: And what's wrong with that? XD
[04:52] <hayden> As long as the simplicity doesn't limit you.
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> nothing, as you know im one as well XD
[04:53] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Yep :D
[04:53] <intelikey> hayden i agree.  nothing wrong with a level of automation also.   even though i disable most automatic crap as soon as i install...
[04:53] <Minataku> I much better like a distro where I _HAVE TO_ compile my own kernel over one where I'm discouraged at many steps from ever thinking about it
[04:54] <hayden> The only thing I really haven't figured out to do is have synced accounts across a samba network.
[04:55] <Minataku> Heehee, sorry guys, I'll calm down now XD
[04:55] <intelikey> Nuked you do know that all those "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169"  are non-error errors  don't you ?   that is to say the ubuntu team made it do that on purpose and they don't consider that an error.
[04:55] <hayden> Anyone attempted/done that...?
[04:55] <BluesKaj> I'm as lazy as the next guy but i like OSS cuz it only takes work not cash to get apps to do things for you .
[04:55] <JuJuBee_> I'm back, no bootable HD... again...
[04:55] <Minataku> Just in a bit of an argumentative mood for some reason
[04:55] <JuJuBee_> invalid boot sector iirc..
[04:55] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Hrm
[04:55] <Nuked> intelikey I didnt know that
[04:56] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ sounds like you need a /boot  partition at the begining of the disk.
[04:56] <Nuked> but it still does not explain why my system is reacting the way it is
[04:56] <JuJuBee_> I have a /boot, but not separate part.
[04:56] <jewie> herro
[04:56] <intelikey> Nuked yes.  they setup the xorg.conf to try to activate "wacom" devices   and if you don't have one  then you get error messages but not really anything wrong.
[04:57] <intelikey> Nuked and no it doesn't explain that.
[04:57] <jewie> what is best app to use for installing multimedia apps and codecs
[04:57] <JuJuBee_> I Think this happened lat time I installed.  I ended up using all 1 part and letting ubuntu set it up... couldnt have /, /home and swap, but I want it...
[04:57] <hayden> jewie: Adept...?
[04:57] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: You should have three
[04:57] <Nuked> To be honest intelikey im really lost as to why the heck my system just responds the way it does
[04:57] <jewie> how do i find the w32 codecs?
[04:57] <Minataku> /boot swap /
[04:58] <Minataku> In that order
[04:58] <JuJuBee_> no /boot when I df
[04:59] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ the reason for a /boot partition of less than 2g is because some bios' are not able to read the fs of a large disk/partition too big.    that may not be your problem.  but it could be, seeing that grub relies entirely on bios for reading the fs to load the kernel
[04:59] <JuJuBee_> Hmmm, could I have one of those recovery partitions that is interfering?
[04:59] <JuJuBee_> How would I check.
[04:59] <hayden> Anyone tried wireless N yet?
[05:00] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ yes you could.   cat /proc/partitions
[05:00] <fabiosarts> hi
[05:00] <hayden> hi
[05:00] <intelikey> hi
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> Nope, only the 3 I set up...
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> sda1 is /
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> sda2 is /home
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> sda 3 swap
[05:00] <jewie> which would you recommend medibuntu or automatix?
[05:00] <fabiosarts> i have an problem with apt-get
[05:00] <intelikey> size of sda1 ?
[05:01] <JuJuBee_> 58597056
[05:01] <intelikey> jewie !automatix
[05:01] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:01] <intelikey> !medibuntu
[05:01] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:01] <intelikey> where's  the bot ?
[05:01] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[05:02] <jewie> so where should i get the w32codecs from
[05:02] <jsubl2> !WorksForMe
[05:02] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:02] <Minataku> Hey, could someone ban Lulu? That nick collision crap is getting really annoying... Jucato, you still there?
[05:03] <JuJuBee_> I don't get it... I just installed earlier onto a 160GB using 90GB / part first...
[05:03] <jewie> what i should compile them?
[05:03] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ but the bios may be different ?
[05:03] <Minataku> Jucato: Just ban the nickname
[05:04] <Minataku> So if they finally get a clue and use a different one they can still come back
[05:04] <JuJuBee_> Yes, it is, so what can I do?  Should I use a small /boot first then the / and /home and swap?
[05:04] <Jucato> er...
[05:04] <Minataku> Or just do that, either way is fine
[05:04] <Minataku> XD
[05:04] <hayden> Heheh...
[05:05] <Jucato> there
[05:05] <dewey> lol
[05:05] <JuJuBee_> How big does /boot need to be?
[05:05] <Minataku> Nice work, Jucato
[05:05] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Make it 128MB
[05:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: flexing your muscles eh?
[05:05] <JuJuBee_> K, here goes....again.
[05:05] <Minataku> Jucato: Or not so good work
[05:05] <Minataku> >.<
[05:05] <Jucato> need some exercise once in a while...
[05:06] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:06] <JuJuBee_> Thanks.
[05:06] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ i would try that. yes.   make first partition /boot size less than 2g  1g is plenty for /boot  even 500m would be large enough.   then your /  which shouldn't need more than 10g if you have a seperate /home
[05:06] <Minataku> I guess Freenode's IRCd is a bit retarded
[05:06] <JuJuBee_> Really, 10G ?  I like installing stuff... I use vmware as well.
[05:06] <Minataku> Jucato: [23:05:20]  * Lulu (n=lulu@84.159.200.73) has joined #kubuntu
[05:07] <Minataku> That's the IP address
[05:07] <JuJuBee_> my vm was 15G for winblows
[05:07] <hayden> Is there any open-source version of VMWare that's just as good?
[05:07] <Minataku> hayden: QEMU is close
[05:07] <hayden> Can it run programs like Macromedia Flash decently well...?
[05:07] <Minataku> Fairly easy to set up via CLI, nice and simple if you remember the switches you need
[05:07] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ yes really 10 is more than almost anyone has installed as a system   now /home will house all your "personal" stuff  dvd.images and such....
[05:08] <Minataku> hayden: Are you on x86?
[05:08] <hayden> Yes.
[05:08] <JuJuBee_> Should I save my vm's in /home then?
[05:08] <Minataku> If you are just grab !flash-nonfree
[05:08] <intelikey> yes
[05:09] <JuJuBee_> OK then.  Here I go...
[05:09] <JuJuBee_> TTYL
[05:09] <JuJuBee_> Thanks again...
[05:09] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ one advantage in that (which should be obvious) is that if you upgrade and something goes wrong or for any other reason deside to reload the system  you don't loose anything in /home   you loose everything in /
[05:09] <intelikey> too late.
[05:10] <hayden> Heh..
[05:10] <Minataku> Bah, I hate doing that
[05:10] <Minataku> Most of my important things are just on different drives
[05:11] <Minataku> Portioning out /home from / is a pain in the ass
[05:11] <hayden> My home folder is stuffed full of crap I don't need/use.
[05:11] <intelikey> yeah  i don't use partitins    (one disk has an exception to that, also has windows 95 for the kids)
[05:11] <hayden> 95 :P
[05:11] <intelikey> it plays their games
[05:11] <crazy_bus> I've got a flv and a .srt subtitle file.  How do I put these together for youtube?
[05:12] <Minataku> SPARCstation 10 (1 X 390Z50), Keyboard Present
[05:12] <crazy_bus> Is there a program in kubuntu to do so?
[05:12] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:12] <Minataku> I love my collection
[05:12] <hayden> What's the best POP mail program in you guys' opinions?
[05:12] <intelikey> fetchmail/sendmail ?
[05:12] <innernaut> I have two wifi cards in this machine, each are receiving an ip via dhcp... anyone know how I could bridge the cards so that I distribute the bandwidth between both?
[05:13] <BluesKaj> i dl'd vmware , but when highligted , for some reason it began installing under wine , so i aborted ...anyone heard of this ?
[05:13] <hayden> Something with a GUI...
[05:13] <hayden> :P
[05:13] <hayden> I use thunderbird currently, but I'm wondering if there are any better alternatives.
[05:13] <hayden> BluesKaj: Did you download the EXE? :P
[05:13] <intelikey> hayden there is fetchmail-fe  i think...
[05:14] <intelikey> !info fetchmailconf
[05:14] <ubotu> fetchmailconf: fetchmail configurator. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.3.6-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 61 kB, installed size 204 kB
[05:14] <intelikey> that's a gui
[05:14] <BluesKaj> I've tried a few but i always return to T-Bird
[05:14] <intelikey> hayden are you talking about just a client ?
[05:14] <BluesKaj> it was a tarfile, hayden
[05:15] <hayden> intelikey: Yes.
[05:15] <BluesKaj> er ,rar file
[05:15] <intelikey> email clients   hehhe not what i was talking about  sorry.
[05:15] <intelikey> !email
[05:15] <hayden> K, that's what I began thinking when I saw sendmail.
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about email - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <BluesKaj> !kmail
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <hayden> !evolution
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <hayden> !thunderbird
[05:16] <ubotu> a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[05:16] <innernaut> brb
[05:16] <Jucato> !botabuse
[05:16] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:16] <hayden> Whoops...
[05:16] <hayden> Sorry ubotu :P
[05:16] <intelikey> :)
[05:17] <BluesKaj> ooo ubotu ...u look so good when angry
[05:17] <_4strO> !ot
[05:17] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:17] <_4strO> :p
[05:18] <BluesKaj> _4strO, bah
[05:18] <intelikey> ok i have built another kernel...  "take 984,362 ... and action !"
[05:18] <intelikey> time to test.
[05:18] <ubuntu_> evening all i've got a slight (hoping) problem with my install of kubuntu, i was running the 32bit version installed to my disk just fine and decided to go with 64bit instead as my system is 64bit capable i installed just fine and it instructed me to reboot to use the new system or i could keep using the livecd. now i have grub throwing first a 15 error and 2nd a 17 error any ideas?
[05:19] <Qb_Master> Hey again guys
[05:19] <Minataku> ubuntu_: I trust you've looked up these errors
[05:19] <ubuntu_> i have and cant seem to make anything useful from them
[05:20] <Qb_Master> okay so I reinstalled Kubuntu (had 6.06 Dapper Drake, am now on 7.04, Fiesty)
[05:20] <BluesKaj> error 17 is = grub missing
[05:20] <Qb_Master> and I can't get my wireless NIC to be recognized
[05:20] <Qb_Master> I currently have my router sitting on the floor and am plugged into it with a wire
[05:20] <BluesKaj> it happened to me
[05:20] <Qb_Master> (barely makes it)
[05:20] <ubuntu_> how can grub be missing if grub is throwing the error?
[05:20] <Qb_Master> so that I could connect to the internet
[05:20] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: have you tried ndiswrapper?
[05:20] <hayden> Qb_Master: Have you tried ndiswrapper?
[05:21] <mkquist> BluesKaj - have u tried to reinstall grub?
[05:21] <hayden> Ugh, you beat me :P
[05:21] <Qb_Master> ubuntu_: I can't seem to get it to install
[05:21] <BluesKaj> yes , I used the supregrub disk
[05:21] <Qb_Master> a site told me to try
[05:21] <Qb_Master> apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[05:21] <BluesKaj> err supergrub
[05:21] <Qb_Master> and it didn't work
[05:21] <Minataku> ubuntu_: GRUB has two parts
[05:21] <ubuntu_> can i install it via this livecd?
[05:21] <Qb_Master> (yes I tried it with sudo)
[05:21] <mkquist> BluesKaj: was it working before?
[05:22] <Qb_Master> also
[05:22] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: im not up to date on ndiswrapper im still a noob :D
[05:22] <Minataku> The loader chunk which resides in the MBR, which is a very small space
[05:22] <Qb_Master> I'm getting this error
[05:22] <hayden> Qb_Master: Did you try installing it using the Adept Package Manager?
[05:22] <Qb_Master> er
[05:22] <Qb_Master> nvm about the error
[05:22] <Minataku> And the functional section which resides on either / or /boot
[05:22] <Qb_Master> hayden: it didn't show up in the adept manager
[05:22] <hayden> Ah
[05:22] <hayden> Well
[05:22] <ubuntu_> Minataku: how can i go about fixing this, i used the Kubuntu automated install
[05:22] <Minataku> If the second part is missing while the first part is present, the first part will report that GRUB is missing
[05:22] <Qb_Master> ooh hey I may have just got it
[05:22] <hayden> Qb_Master: So what did it do when you tried it with apt-get?
[05:22] <Qb_Master> lol h/o
[05:22] <Minataku> ubuntu_: Boot the LiveCD to a shell, reinstall GRUB
[05:23] <hayden> Qb_Master: OK :D
[05:23] <ubuntu_> i'll bet it has something to do with my choosing reiserfs this time around..
[05:23] <Qb_Master> well
[05:23] <Qb_Master> I did an update through the adept manager
[05:23] <Qb_Master> then tried the command again
[05:23] <Qb_Master> and it seemed to work
[05:23] <ubuntu_> Minataku: i have no idea how to reinstall GRUB i always used LILO in the past
[05:23] <hayden> Cool
[05:23] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, has the grub problem , but I was able to rescue grub with some help from pll here, if you are dual booting like me . If you are just wanting to boot linux the supergrub disk is the answer
[05:23] <Qb_Master> so maybe the package that was missing has been delivered :)
[05:23] <Minataku> ubuntu_: grub-install
[05:24] <hayden> Hah
[05:24] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: yeah im needing to dual boot unfortunately
[05:24] <Minataku> There should be a manual page for it
[05:24] <Qb_Master> however
[05:24] <Qb_Master> still no wlan0
[05:24] <ubuntu_> i did sudo grub-install (hd0) is that correct?
[05:24] <hayden> Yeah
[05:24] <Qb_Master> just the eth0
[05:24] <hayden> You've still got to configure ndiswrapper
[05:24] <Qb_Master> k
[05:24] <hayden> Qb_Master: Do you have the driver disc for your card...?
[05:24] <Qb_Master> nope
[05:24] <Minataku> ubuntu_: I can't tell you, but it sounds proper
[05:24] <Qb_Master> dunno where it is
[05:24] <hayden> OK
[05:24] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:24] <ubuntu_> crap :(
[05:25] <Qb_Master> and their site doesn't give drivers - they say that Linux comes with it in the kernel
[05:25] <hayden> Qb_Master: You're going to have to find the windows drivers on the net somewhere... I believe you need the INF file.
[05:25] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master:  a mounted doze partition with the driver available on it some where?
[05:25] <Qb_Master> so they don't even provide a download link
[05:25] <hayden> Oh
[05:25] <Qb_Master> ahh yeah okay
[05:25] <Qb_Master> I can get the windows drivers, 1 min :)
[05:25] <hayden> OK
[05:25] <ubuntu_> i think linux is back to trying to kill me :)
[05:26] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , my work around was to edit the  /boot/grub/menu.lst by adding the windows boot parameters into it., but I had to install grub on linux first
[05:26] <Qb_Master> (as soon as my wireless internet stops dropping packets ;P)
[05:26] <ubuntu_> i get this error
[05:26] <hayden> Heh
[05:26] <ubuntu_> buntu@ubuntu:~$ grub-install (hd0)
[05:26] <ubuntu_> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0'
[05:27] <Qb_Master> okay I have a Netrtlx.inf
[05:27] <Qb_Master> with 3 other files as well
[05:27] <hayden> Alright
[05:27] <hayden> OK
[05:27] <hayden> Cool
[05:27] <hayden> So
[05:27] <BluesKaj> ubuntu are you on live cd or HDD install right now ?
[05:27] <hayden> Open up a konsole window.
[05:27] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: live
[05:27] <Qb_Master> k
[05:28] <hayden> Qb_Master: Now cd into the directory where the inf file is
[05:28] <Qb_Master> alrighty
[05:28] <hayden> Now
[05:28] <hayden> Run
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: try dropping the () around hd0
[05:28] <hayden> ndiswrapper -i INFFILE
[05:28] <ubuntu_> ok
[05:28] <hayden> Where INFFILE would be replaced by the name of the INF file
[05:28] <BluesKaj> no brackets , ubuntu_
[05:28] <hayden> Oh, and don't forget sudo
[05:29] <hayden> sudo ndiswrapper -i INFFILE
[05:29] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: no go
[05:29] <ubuntu_> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[05:29] <ubuntu_> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:29] <Qb_Master> driver netrtlf is already installed
[05:29] <Qb_Master> ???
[05:29] <hayden> Oh
[05:29] <hayden> Hah
[05:29] <hayden> OK
[05:29] <hayden> So
[05:29] <Qb_Master> it's lying
[05:29] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:29] <hayden> Well
[05:29] <hayden> Try this:
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, hold on...
[05:30] <hayden> sudo ndiswrapper -m
[05:30] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: have you prayed to tux and linus yet?
[05:30] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:30] <Qb_Master> okay
[05:30] <Qb_Master> adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper ...
[05:30] <Qb_Master> oOo
[05:30] <hayden> Qb_Master: Now
[05:30] <Qb_Master> that sounds promising
[05:30] <hayden> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:30] <BluesKaj> well , it's late ...sacktime for me ...take care all , happy linuxing :)
[05:30] <hayden> BluesKaj: Bye bye.
[05:30] <Qb_Master> k done
[05:30] <ubuntu_> later BluesKaj thanks
[05:30] <Qb_Master> no output
[05:31] <hayden> OK
[05:31] <hayden> ...
[05:31] <erhan> when you install something with apt-get, sometimes it asks you a bunch of questions in text based dialogs. when adept installs something that requires such dialogs, I get X errorw failed to open device. I remember having such a problem in synaptic, i installed a gnome-perl library and it started showing gtk dialogs for that. how can I fix this in adept?
[05:31] <Qb_Master> (didn't say anything)
[05:31] <hayden> try...
[05:31] <hayden> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[05:31] <hayden> (that's an L)
[05:31] <hayden> :p
[05:31] <Qb_Master> lolk
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: try it with the actual linux name ie /dev/<whatever>
[05:31] <Qb_Master> that sounds less promising
[05:31] <Qb_Master> netrtlf : invalid driver!
[05:31] <ubuntu_> hd0 would be... /dev/sda/ right?
[05:31] <ubuntu_> as im using SATA
[05:31] <hayden> Qb_Master: Shazbot...
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: yes
[05:32] <hayden> Well
[05:32] <jewie> i have amd k7 cpu. Should I just keep the generic kernel image?
[05:32] <Qb_Master> still no wlan0 showing up in the network listing
[05:32] <hayden> Either you've got the wrong driver...
[05:32] <hayden> Or I guess ndiswrapper isn't recognizing it...
[05:32] <erhan> nobody else realized this before? it always the case in a fresh kubuntu install
[05:32] <Qb_Master> I got the Windows Xp driver from realtek's driver list
[05:32] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: not found or not a block device
[05:32] <hayden> I'm not too experienced beyond this point, so...
[05:32] <hayden> :P
[05:32] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:32] <Qb_Master> hm well
[05:33] <Qb_Master> I'm sure now it's something simple
[05:33] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: just on the off chance you MIGHT know, do you know what chip your wireless card uses?
[05:33] <Qb_Master> yeah
[05:33] <Qb_Master> realtek rtl8180.sys is the windows driver
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, sudo fdisk -l and pastebin the output please
[05:33] <Qb_Master> don't know the specific name
[05:33] <Qb_Master> the card itself is a Belkin F5D5000
[05:33] <hayden> Qb_Master: I smell a Google Quest :P
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> !pastebin | ubuntu_
[05:33] <ubotu> ubuntu_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:33] <ubuntu_> may god help you sir.
[05:33] <Qb_Master> haha I've been googling for 2 days
[05:33] <Qb_Master> that's why I'm here now :P
[05:33] <ubuntu_> i had an F5D7000 it was the devil
[05:34] <hayden> I did that with my first wi-fi card, too :P
[05:34] <jtt> Qb_Master,  lspci -vvv will show driver needed
[05:34] <Qb_Master> w v? or vvv?
[05:34] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:34] <Qb_Master> (or v w?)
[05:34] <jtt> Qb_Master, v v v  3 v's   -vvv
[05:34] <Minataku> Multiple "v"s means more verbosity
[05:34] <Qb_Master> lolk
[05:34] <Qb_Master> ah
[05:34] <Qb_Master> *sifts through to find realtek*
[05:35] <Minataku> You'll want to do "lspci -vvv | less"
[05:35] <eljefe> does anyone know how to make both [Alt]  keys function the same?  Currently my right [Alt]  doesn't do what i want it to
[05:35] <Minataku> Since it's gonna be a lot
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> or | grep realtek
[05:35] <Qb_Master> lolk
[05:35] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24357/
[05:35] <Minataku> eljefe: They're not supposed to be the same
[05:35] <Minataku> One's "Alt" one's "Meta"
[05:35] <eljefe> Minataku: I know, but I don't see any benefit as it is
[05:36] <eljefe> Minataku: can you clarify 'meta's role?
[05:36] <Qb_Master> Minataku: good tip :)
[05:36] <Minataku> I'm sure you can remap them, but that's a real Windows thing to do
[05:36] <Minataku> eljefe: It's a separate modifier
[05:36] <Qb_Master> okay
[05:36] <eljefe> lol dude i've been in kde for 4 years, and i still don't get its role...
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, that's weird, it should be installing....
[05:36] <Minataku> There's Shift, Ctrl, Alt, Meta and Super, IINM
[05:36] <hayden> Alright people, I'ma go.
[05:36] <hayden> G'night.
[05:36] <Qb_Master> 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MA
[05:36] <Qb_Master> C (rev 20)
[05:36] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly:  thats what im not understanding myself
[05:36] <Qb_Master>         Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC
[05:36] <Qb_Master>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Step
[05:36] <Qb_Master> ping- SERR+ FastB2B-
[05:37] <eljefe> Minataku: IIMN ?
[05:37] <eljefe> \IINM
[05:37] <Minataku> If I'm Not Mistaken
[05:37] <ubuntu_> i just fear i've fubared my entire pc doze nix and all
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort
[05:37] <Qb_Master> - <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Latency: 64 (8000ns min, 16000ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
[05:37] <eljefe> ah
[05:37] <Minataku> TBH, I dunno what Meta is for either
[05:37] <Qb_Master>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Region 0: I/O ports at d400 [size=256] 
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Region 1: Memory at febffc00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] 
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[05:37] <Qb_Master> (k sorry about the flood)
[05:37] <Qb_Master> that's the output for the card I believe
[05:37] <eljefe> ok so, i get the role of Super, sorta - it opens the KMenu (except my keybd doesn't have that key); what does Meta do?
[05:37] <Qb_Master> lol sorry
[05:38] <Minataku> Super is the key with the Windows logo
[05:38] <Minataku> Menu is the key with the Menu icon
[05:38] <eljefe> Minataku: that's what I am saying, if its not useful, I'd rather remap Meta to Alt so I can page back in a browser with one hand
[05:38] <Qb_Master> so yeah
[05:38] <ubuntu_> Minataku: what happens if i dremeled the doze logo off?
[05:38] <Qb_Master> what does that tell me now?
[05:38] <Minataku> ubuntu_: You get 50 worthless points
[05:38] <intelikey> well, i think i don't like building kernels.
[05:38] <Qb_Master> and why is access denied to view the capabilities?
[05:38] <abe> hi people
[05:38] <ubuntu_> what if i laser engraved a likeness of linux and tux dancing on the key instead?
[05:39] <Minataku> ubuntu_: Then you're just weird
[05:39] <Minataku> X3
[05:39] <ubuntu_> :D
[05:39] <Qb_Master> wait
[05:39] <Qb_Master> this one line:
[05:39] <Qb_Master> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC
[05:39] <eljefe> Minataku: I just picked up this sweet old OmniKey Plus by Northgate, its an old, heavy keyboard that makes the most satisfying 'click clack' when  I type
[05:39] <Qb_Master> MAC?
[05:39] <ubuntu_> Media Access Controller?
[05:39] <Minataku> Qb_Master: I forget what it stands for
[05:39] <Minataku> Yeah, that's it
[05:39] <intelikey> i din't say i don't like the idea.  just that my machine is too slow for that.   takes to long.
[05:39] <Qb_Master> ooh okay lol
[05:39] <Minataku> eljefe: Cool
[05:40] <eljefe> ubuntu_: if you make replacement keys for sale to replace Win keys, I'd buy one  or two :)
[05:40] <Qb_Master> okay, so I see the card
[05:40] <Qb_Master> er
[05:40] <Qb_Master> it sees the physical card
[05:40] <Qb_Master> but it's not doing anything
[05:40] <ubuntu_> they come in pairs as most dozeboards have a set
[05:40] <Minataku> Qb_Master: Aren't you concerned about a USB wireless card?
[05:40] <Qb_Master> lol lemme try an ifconfig
[05:40] <Qb_Master> no, it's PCI
[05:40] <Minataku> Not a PCI 10BaseT card?
[05:40] <Minataku> Ah
[05:40] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: for wireless its iwconfig
[05:40] <Qb_Master> k
[05:40] <Minataku> Yeah, but he's missing the card entirely, I think
[05:40] <Minataku> That is, no driver
[05:41] <eljefe> Minataku: it is cool!  but i don't have a majority of the 'new' keys, such as Menu or Super/Win. And I dislike the right-[Alt] ... and i wanna remap it.  Seems pretty Linuxy for me to do, I think :)
[05:41] <ubuntu_> thats strange as im running a cousin of the chip he is the 8187L and mine works out of the box
[05:41] <Qb_Master> (lol noob question: how do I get out of the lspci output?)
[05:41] <ubuntu_> ctrl+c
[05:41] <Minataku> No
[05:41] <Minataku> You're in less you type "q"
[05:41] <ubuntu_> oh right
[05:41] <Minataku> For Quit
[05:41] <Qb_Master> ahh k
[05:41] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:41] <Minataku> :P
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[05:41] <Qb_Master> I knew that, but forgot lmao
[05:41] <jtt> Qb_Master, looks like the driver for 8180L does not ship with 7.04
[05:42] <Qb_Master> found it out the other day
[05:42] <ubuntu_> thats herecy!
[05:42] <Qb_Master> jtt: ya but it shipped with 6.06 so that's strange :P
[05:42] <Ace2016> http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxoffice2007lh1.png  :D
[05:42] <intelikey> man but i do like a 2.4 kernel much better than the 2.6 on this box   cut my initial ram usage in half.  form  14m to 8    well almost half.
[05:42] <Minataku> Like I said, I think someone dropped the ball
[05:42] <Qb_Master> yah - well I posted the bug report
[05:42] <ubuntu_> dropped the ball?
[05:42] <jtt> Qb_Master, probably an oversight
[05:42] <Qb_Master> now I'm just trying to get around that problem
[05:42] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:42] <Minataku> What jtt said
[05:43] <ubuntu_> you know it kind of sucks that i can only boot my pc with this livecd now :D
[05:43] <eljefe> ubuntu_ dropped the ball = made a mistake
[05:43] <Qb_Master> iwconfig returns
[05:43] <ubuntu_> ah..
[05:43] <Qb_Master> lo        no wireless extensions.
[05:43] <Qb_Master> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[05:43] <jtt> Qb_Master, you have 6.06  /lib/modules still around somewhere
[05:43] <Qb_Master> ifconfig returns info about those cards
[05:43] <Qb_Master> jtt no
[05:43] <Qb_Master> I reinstalled
[05:43] <Minataku> jtt: Won't work anyway, version mismatch
[05:43] <Qb_Master> not upgraded lol
[05:43] <Minataku> Qb_Master: You may have to recompile a kernel
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: maybe try the --no-floppy option?
[05:44] <Minataku> If there's no way to get the extra drivers
[05:44] <ubuntu_> what would that do?
[05:44] <Minataku> !wireless
[05:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:44] <Minataku> !drivers
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <jtt> Qb_Master, have you looked in the archives for  8180 driver
[05:44] <Minataku> !modules
[05:44] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[05:44] <Minataku> Bah
[05:44] <Minataku> Check that first one
[05:44] <intelikey> but the bug in mc still affects it.   !!! KRAP !!!
[05:44] <Minataku> Maybe there will be something useful there
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: it has to do with how grub install reads the drive.
[05:44] <Minataku> Knowing the wiki, probably not
[05:44] <Qb_Master> um I think I looked but didn't know where to go lol
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: iirc
[05:45] <Minataku> !realtek
[05:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realtek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <ubuntu_> so sudo grub-install hd0 --no-floppy?
[05:45] <Minataku> Eh
[05:45] <intelikey> it looks like i'll stop using mc until it's fixed (probably never)
[05:45] <Minataku> intelikey: What's wrong now?
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: swap the hd0 and --no-floppy flag
[05:45] <intelikey> memory leak.
[05:45] <Qb_Master> well how come I'm the only one who's been in here complaining about 7.04 not having wireless drivers?
[05:45] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:45] <ubuntu_> sudo grub-install --no-floppy hd0 then?
[05:45] <Minataku> Qb_Master: Because you're the only one with a chipset that the idiot forgot to include
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: so grub-install --no-floppy hd0
[05:46] <Qb_Master> ah okay haha
[05:46] <Minataku> No offense to said idiot, but doublecheck next time
[05:46] <intelikey> Minataku trying to save file with only group perms   it can't save but eats about 35m ram "unrecoverable" on each attempt.
[05:46] <ubuntu_> i feel like an idiot :)
[05:46] <Minataku> intelikey: Eep.
[05:46] <terrestre> i lost my swap
[05:46] <Qb_Master> well what would I have to go through to compile my own kernel? (and would it make other programs incompatible?)
[05:46] <intelikey> file size 125 bites.
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: or you may just have to install it by hand
[05:46] <Minataku> terrestre: Open up the computer and find it, should be on the bottom
[05:46] <Minataku> j/k
[05:47] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: still no go
[05:47] <Qb_Master> like, I wouldn't mind having the same kernel as now, plus the wireless driver
[05:47] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:47] <ubuntu_> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, grub --no-floppy and i'll walk you through the setup
[05:47] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: i have one more idea i'll brb ok?
[05:47] <intelikey> Qb_Master to roll your own kernel   get the source   unpack it  read the README   run a few commands.
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: i suspect its because linux isn't the ,0 partition
[05:48] <ubuntu_> and pray
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok
[05:48] <Qb_Master> k
[05:48] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: i suspect something myself im about to test the theory
[05:48] <Qb_Master> well if worst comes to worst I will do that
[05:48] <Minataku> Don't worry, you'll have the original kernel to fall back on if you mess up the new one
[05:48] <Qb_Master> but first off, don't I have to figure out how to get the driver to work?
[05:48] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:49] <Qb_Master> can't just package a new kernel without the driver working lol then it'd be a waste of time
[05:49] <Qb_Master> (mind you I've never rolled a kernel in my life :P)
[05:49] <terrestre> i lost my swap after a freezing or something like that
[05:49] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:49] <intelikey> Qb_Master it's not hard.  just take your time and read through the online help as you go
[05:50] <bob> Greets, everyone...
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> but not on ubuntu, its a pita
[05:50] <Qb_Master> still
[05:50] <intelikey> bob
[05:50] <Qb_Master> I need to get the driver working first, right?
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: ?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> oh,
[05:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly nothing.  bob drops in says hello and leaves before anyont responds
[05:51] <bob> Can someone give me some help with mounting an NTFS partition so that someone other than root can access it?
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: oh, i usually ignore the join/quit msgs
[05:52] <jebuskrist> gentlemens :)
[05:52] <jebuskrist> hitmanWilly: it was as i suspected
[05:52] <intelikey> !ntfs | bob
[05:52] <ubotu> bob: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:52] <jebuskrist> its ubuntu_ by the way
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: i figured that out :P
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: what was it, btw?
[05:52] <bob> Thanks, intelikey
[05:53] <jebuskrist> it installed grub on sdb instead of sda this time around
[05:53] <Qb_Master> wait a minute...
[05:53] <jebuskrist> so by selected sdb as my boot device in my BIOS boot menu everything worked fine
[05:53] <Qb_Master> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[05:53] <_4strO> !ntfs
[05:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:53] <Qb_Master> returns netrtlf : invalid driver!
[05:53] <Qb_Master> does that mean
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: lol, the one bios has set up as boot first, right?
[05:53] <Qb_Master> it just needs a file that is in the wrong place?
[05:53] <Qb_Master> (like a .sys or .cat file? lol)
[05:54] <bob> intelikey: Do you mind if I tell you what I've already done so you can tell me if I'll need to take some extra steps?
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: ive pulled that trick before myself :)
[05:54] <Qb_Master> or does ndiswrapper only use the .inf?
[05:54] <intelikey> jebuskrist ummm hmmm   the scsi emulation used by the installcd tricked out the order   i.e. grub didn't know what bios called the first disk....      that's one thing that scsi emulation does mess up.
[05:54] <jebuskrist> hitmanWilly: well i HAVE sda set as my default 1st boot device and hadnt changed anything except for going to 64bit kubuntu from 32bit so i dont know why it didnt install to sda like the 32bit did
[05:54] <usagi__> hello
[05:54] <intelikey> bob shoot.
[05:55] <jebuskrist> so how to i go about removing the broken grub on my other disk :D
[05:55] <jebuskrist> to=do
[05:55] <intelikey> jebuskrist install a boot loader there.    "over write the MBR"
[05:55] <jebuskrist> i was afraid of that
[05:55] <jewie> sorry to bug 1 more question. I installed mplayer with synaptic.  Where does it look for codecs?  I dont know where to put them.
[05:55] <Qb_Master> aha!
[05:56] <intelikey> jebuskrist you can install M$/s MBR if you like.
[05:56] <Qb_Master> sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/qbmaster/ndis51_663/Netrtlx.inf ----- returned 'installing netrtlx ...'!
[05:56] <Qb_Master> that may have worked hehe
[05:56] <Qb_Master> lemme check
[05:56] <Qb_Master> hmm
[05:56] <intelikey> and it may not have  ?
[05:56] <bob> intelikey: First, I installed the Read/Write to NTFS app. in Automatix2. That only mounted the system restore partition and a hidden partition, not my main Windows drive. So I went into the Disk & Filesystems shell of KControl, created a folder called "windows-drive" under /media, gave it that as a mount point and enabled it...
[05:57] <redshadowhero> Okay, does anyone know how to make a window "float," or otherwise stay on top of all the other windows?
[05:57] <jebuskrist> intelikey: i liked how i had it before it would boot from sda which IS the first disk and i could selected kubuntu or doze now i have to hit the boot selection key and choose sdb to choose kubuntu or doze
[05:57] <intelikey> !Automatix | bob
[05:57] <ubotu> bob: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:57] <jebuskrist> redshadowhero: right click choose always on top?
[05:57] <redshadowhero> oh, wow...
[05:57] <jebuskrist> err advanced>keep above others
[05:58] <Qb_Master> intelikey: well it installed the driver
[05:58] <redshadowhero> ah, there it is.
[05:58] <redshadowhero> Thanks.
[05:58] <jebuskrist> np
[05:58] <jebuskrist> intelikey: i take it automatix isnt well liked?
[05:58] <intelikey> jebuskrist you can install grub there also.   or lilo   or <pick a boot loader>
[05:58] <bob> Umm... I know what Automatix is, but thanks. :)
[05:58] <intelikey> jebuskrist not here. no.
[05:58] <jebuskrist> i like it quite a bit but didnt know it could break systems @_@
[05:59] <jebuskrist> intelikey: im a noob thats far too advanced a thing for me :)
[05:59] <intelikey> bob it was the part about we don't support it that i wanted you to see.
how do I remove a directory?</noob>
[05:59] <Qb_Master> (with terminal)
[05:59] <jebuskrist> rmdir i think?
[05:59] <jebuskrist> or is that dos?
[05:59] <bob> Ohh ok. Well, I'm 99.9% sure the problem I'm having has nothing to do with Automatix
[05:59] <Qb_Master> k
[05:59] <redshadowhero> rmdir
[05:59] <redshadowhero> or you can use rm
[05:59] <jewie> does anyone know where I need to place the essential codec pack for mplayer?
[05:59] <redshadowhero> but there are some flags
[05:59] <Qb_Master> rm didn't work that's why I was asking lol
[06:00] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i'd suggest waiting for confirmation from others before doing anything i say im still shaky at *nix
[06:00] <usagi__> how does one add a font to kde without going through control panel?
[06:00] <Qb_Master> k well I'm just removing an empty directory
[06:00] <redshadowhero> well, rm would work
[06:00] <stumpleit> hi in ubuntu using KDE how can I access the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:00] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: last time i tried that on OSX i wiped out my entire disk @_@
[06:01] <Qb_Master> k so ndiswrapper -l reports 'netrtlx: driver installed'
[06:01] <Qb_Master> ifconfig still shows no wireless card though
[06:01] <Qb_Master> something I need to do first?
[06:01] <terrestre>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/66637 someone, with this problem? any idea?
[06:01] <jebuskrist> one sec Qb_Master
[06:01] <intelikey> !fonts > usagi__
[06:01] <stumpleit> hi in ubuntu using KDE how can I access the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:02] <Minataku> Decided to play with my SPARCstation 10 a bit
[06:02] <jebuskrist> Minataku: i'll bet mines bigger than yours :D
[06:02] <bob> I had to do kdesu konqueror to even be able to open the folder I mounted the Windows partition in. Tried "sudo chown -R bob:bob /media/windows-drive" and "sudo chmod -R a+rw /media/windows-drive". After doing "ls -l /media/windows-drive" it looks like neither of those commands actually did anything
[06:02] <usagi__> intelikey: Thanks
[06:02] <Minataku> Need to fix my Ultra 2 but it's near the bottom of the stack
[06:02] <jebuskrist> i have a beastly old SPARCServer 630MP
[06:02] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Sweet
[06:02] <jebuskrist> it needs a home :(
[06:03] <Minataku> Really now?
[06:03] <jebuskrist> else my dads gonna trash it
[06:03] <Minataku> I'll take it
[06:03] <jebuskrist> you pay shipping :D
[06:03] <Qb_Master> - /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper contains the line "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper"
[06:03] <bob> stumpleit: "sudo /usr/bin/restricted-manager" and if it's not already there, then "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager" and try again.
[06:03] <Minataku> Heehee, I hope I can
[06:03] <Minataku> No guarantees yet, now
[06:03] <Qb_Master> I bet I just have to reload the network config somehow lol
[06:03] <jebuskrist> even comes with a 13-14" monitor, keyboard and mouse :-O
[06:03] <Minataku> I've got a monitor
[06:03] <jebuskrist> Minataku: last time i got a quote to ship it via freight it was about $500
[06:03] <Minataku> jebuskrist: WHAT?!
[06:04] <Minataku> Was that the cheapest?!
[06:04] <jebuskrist> UPS/USPS/FEDEX wanted around 1,500
[06:04] <Minataku> Lemme look up the 630
[06:04] <jebuskrist> its around 200lbs :)
[06:04] <intelikey> bob ok.  you can't chmod or chown a M$ file system.  there is no permissions bit.  the permissions you see are a vertual perms set fs-wide by mount    the args   uid= gid= fmask= dmask= and umask=  affect that vertual permissons
[06:05] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Well... what's it got in it
[06:05] <Minataku> I may ask you to salvage it for me instead
[06:05] <Minataku> Just give me lighter pieces
[06:05] <Qb_Master> (where does Kubuntu look for its network interfaces?)
[06:05] <Minataku> Let's take this to PM
[06:05] <intelikey> bob  for a working example do;   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /mountpoint
[06:05] <jebuskrist> im not registered
[06:05] <stumpleit> hi in ubuntu using KDE how can I access the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:05] <Minataku> jebuskrist: I have that turned off anyway
[06:05] <nbcb> hi how do i find out if i'm using debian or ubuntu in the terminal?
[06:05] <intelikey> and you will see that everything is not set 777  on that fs.
[06:06] <klobster> how do I make firefox NOT open pdf's?  they always hang :(
[06:06] <nbcb> uname -r gives me 2.6.19
[06:06] <intelikey> bob for all the details   man mount    look at the section about fs specific settings
[06:06] <nbcb> does it mean i'm on debian, or ubuntu?
[06:06] <terrestre> lsb_release -a
[06:06] <terrestre> nbcb:  lsb_release -a
[06:06] <bob> intelikey: Thanks
[06:07] <intelikey> np
[06:07] <Qb_Master> ???
[06:07] <bob> This is weird. This is the third dual-boot setup I've done, and I didn't have this problem on either of the other ones
[06:07] <nbcb> terrestre: it doesn't have this command lsb_release..
[06:07] <bob> Actually, fourth*
[06:07] <stumpleit> can anyone tell me how I can enable enable ATI accelerated graphics driver under KDE?
[06:08] <intelikey> bob the others probably setup the /etc/fstab with options in there for that purpose.
[06:08] <bob> stumpleit: Did you see my reply a minute ago?
[06:08] <nbcb> any alternate ways to find out what linux is running?
[06:08] <stumpleit> bob: no missed it sorry
[06:08] <bob> intelikey: Sorry, but umm... Huh? :-D
[06:09] <terrestre> locate ubuntu
[06:09] <intelikey> bob the other installs you mentioned.   all the same installer ?    all the same disk/fs layout ?
[06:09] <Qb_Master> - /etc/network/interfaces
[06:09] <Qb_Master> is that the spot?
[06:09] <bob> Yeah
[06:09] <bob> Well
[06:10] <intelikey> that's what i thought.
[06:10] <bob> I think the partitions may have been arranged differently for Windoze
[06:10] <Qb_Master> hmm...
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> ok, back later all
[06:11] <stumpleit> why doesnt my system have "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:11] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: you still working on it
[06:11] <bob> stumpleit: Run "sudo /usr/bin/restricted-manager"
[06:11] <jebuskrist> stumpleit: you're on Kubuntu not Ubuntu and most documentation is for Ubuntu which uses Gnome and has a few things KDE doesnt
[06:11] <elementrus86> hello
[06:11] <bob> stumpleit: If it's not there, do "sudo apt-get install restricted manager" and try again
[06:12] <elementrus86> how can I install something with apt-get and install all of the dependencies as well
[06:12] <stumpleit> bob: ya i do that but it errors for some reason hrmm
[06:12] <intelikey> the installer is just a hit and miss attempt at setting up a system and giving a usable configuration.     if it hits you go off praising the os.  if it misses...   it's really hard to anticipate every possable configuration/hardware/setup need.   and installers are only as good as the writer + user    so...
[06:12] <bob> I read somewhere that Kubuntu has Restricted Manager installed by default, but there's just no shortcut
[06:12] <bob> errors?
[06:12] <nbcb> locate ubuntu? where is it
[06:13] <Qb_Master> shmm
[06:13] <Qb_Master> *hmm
[06:13] <Qb_Master> I think I'm going to try a restart
[06:13] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: fixed it yet?
[06:13] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: maybe so
[06:13] <Qb_Master> the driver's installed and all
[06:14] <Qb_Master> but I think maybe it needs to reload
[06:14] <stumpleit> bob: ya it says your hardware does not need any restricted drivers and then it exits, nand in the conosle i get errors like modinfo: could not find module fglrx
[06:14] <Qb_Master> and since I dnt know how to do that manually
[06:14] <Qb_Master> I think I'll just reboot
[06:14] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:14] <jebuskrist> couldnt hurt :D
[06:14] <Qb_Master> haha yeah
[06:14] <Qb_Master> I should log this chat tho 1st so I can refer back to it...
[06:14] <jebuskrist> unless you blow up grub like i did :D
[06:14] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:14] <Qb_Master> er hmm
[06:14] <Qb_Master> maybe I can't log it...
[06:15] <Qb_Master> oh wait
[06:15] <Qb_Master> it does it for me
[06:15] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:15] <Qb_Master> k be back in a few minutes
[06:15] <Qb_Master> thanks for the tons of support you guys have given thus far :D
[06:15] <jebuskrist> k
[06:15] <bob> intelikey: Do the numbers in that command you gave me (sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/windows-drive/) correlate to *nix style permissions numbers?
[06:16] <elementrus86> if i wanted to install firefox, how would I install firefox and all the dependencies it requires
[06:16] <jebuskrist> sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:16] <elementrus86> i get dependency errors
[06:16] <usagi__> can mac fonts work in kde?
[06:17] <jebuskrist> strange
[06:17] <intelikey> bob yes   mask numbers   i.e.  7 - <number>
[06:17] <elementrus86> or maybe my root password is wrong or something
[06:17] <Darkkish> how is Qb's wifi doing so far/
[06:17] <elementrus86> i dont remember the kubuntu installer asking me for a root password
[06:17] <Darkkish> it always has o__o
[06:17] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: if you havent changed your root password it would be your user password
[06:18] <jebuskrist> wb Qb_Master
[06:18] <Qb_Master> I's is back :)
[06:18] <Darkkish> Qb_Master how's yoru wifi doing?
[06:18] <Qb_Master> thanks
[06:18] <jebuskrist> np
[06:18] <Qb_Master> umm well better than before Darkkish
[06:18] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:18] <Darkkish> lol
[06:18] <Darkkish> working yet?
[06:18] <Minataku> :O
[06:18] <Qb_Master> lemme see
[06:18] <Qb_Master> :P
[06:18] <bob> Damned ATI
[06:19] <Darkkish> are you running 7.04?
[06:19] <Minataku> I'M IN THE TOP 100
[06:19] <Minataku> HOLY CRAP
[06:19] <jebuskrist> top 100 for what?
[06:19] <Qb_Master> no not yet
[06:19] <Qb_Master> still not in the list :(
[06:19] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[06:19] <jewie> how come I rebooted kubuntu and now the only resolution I have is 640x480
[06:19] <Minataku> I'm in the top 100 scores of this one track in this one event on Forza Motorsport 2 :O
[06:19] <elementrus86> im also planning to update from edgy to feisty
[06:19] <Darkkish> Para que?
[06:19] <Minataku> Specifically, 59
[06:19] <elementrus86> how would i do that? and would all of my apps and configs stay?
[06:19] <Minataku> Of at least 3900
[06:19] <Qb_Master> okies
[06:19] <Darkkish> Oh man, i want Forza 2
[06:19] <Darkkish> but first i want a 360 :p
[06:19] <jebuskrist> xbox 360?
[06:19] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:20] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: I got ndiswrapper, and the wireless driver installed
[06:20] <Minataku> Darkkish: Heh
[06:20] <jebuskrist> my 360 looks lonely
[06:20] <Qb_Master> the wlan0 isn't showing up still though
[06:20] <jebuskrist> next to my wii
[06:20] <Minataku> Yeah, having a 360 would help ;3
[06:20] <jebuskrist> i want the elite just cause its black
[06:20] <elementrus86> dang, this is way more active than the fedora irc channel lol
[06:21] <elementrus86> how would i update from edgy to feisty? and would all of my apps and configs stay?
[06:21] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: one sec
[06:21] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: did you figure out your password yet? lol
[06:21] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: i think you'd do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:21] <Minataku> Haha, that's sweet, it's got my setup and the replay on the server
[06:21] <Darkkish> Qb_Master with ndis it might show up as eth0
[06:21] <jewie> 640x480 is a terrible resolution
[06:22] <Darkkish> lol
[06:22] <jebuskrist> all your apps should stay as for your configs i cant guarantee
[06:22] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: I'm on eth0 now
[06:22] <Darkkish> oh :p
[06:22] <Qb_Master> aka: my router is on the floor
[06:22] <Darkkish> eth1 then?
[06:22] <Qb_Master> and I have 2 50 ft wires cnxn'ed to it
[06:22] <Qb_Master> lol no eth0 is the only one in the list
[06:22] <Darkkish> jewie xorg.conf?
[06:22] <Qb_Master> other then lo (loopback)
[06:22] <Darkkish> lol
[06:22] <jewie> yeah i checked it all that was in there is 640 resolution, i changed it and nothing happened
[06:22] <Qb_Master> lemme get this here gui interface for ndiswrapper
[06:22] <Qb_Master> I'm tired of the terminal
[06:22] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:22] <elementrus86> thx for the help
[06:22] <jebuskrist> np
[06:23] <Minataku> Sorry, I was just shocked to see that XD
[06:23] <jebuskrist> i cant play online with my 360 or anything for that matter
[06:23] <Darkkish> wow did anyone know there is a domain suffix .im
[06:23] <Qb_Master> o.O;
[06:23] <Qb_Master> I have a settings tab now
[06:23] <Qb_Master> in my K menu
[06:23] <Qb_Master> with one option
[06:23] <Darkkish> lol
[06:24] <Qb_Master> 'Windows Wireless Drivers'
[06:24] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:24] <Darkkish> niice
[06:24] <Qb_Master> but it does nothing when I click on it
[06:24] <Darkkish> oh.
[06:24] <Darkkish> not niice.
[06:24] <Qb_Master> :/
[06:24] <Qb_Master> yah
[06:24] <jebuskrist> i think its trying to kill YOU now
[06:24] <Minataku> Heh, my 1969 Nissan Fairlady Z432R
[06:24] <Minataku> Downloadable to the world
[06:24] <Darkkish> I am going to boot to linux
[06:24] <Darkkish> brb
[06:24] <Minataku> Well, a replay featuring it, anyway
[06:24] <jebuskrist> Minataku: you'd never beat my 1969 dodge charger :D
[06:24] <jewie> the same thing happened on my laptop w/ nvidia gfx
[06:25] <jewie> after a reboot, all i get is 640 resolution. i didnt upgrade anything
[06:25] <jebuskrist> unless i had to turn a corner...
[06:25] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Why no online play?
[06:25] <Minataku> XBL Silver is free
[06:25] <jebuskrist> Minataku: shatellite
[06:25] <Qb_Master> oh that's the ndisgtk
[06:25] <intelikey> my first car was a 63 ford fairlane 500
[06:25] <Qb_Master> wonder why it isn't coming up though...
[06:25] <Qb_Master> odd
[06:25] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Ah
[06:25] <Minataku> Yeah, that'll mess ya up
[06:25] <jebuskrist> i could run my packets back and forth faster :D
[06:26] <jebuskrist> a 1500ms minimum ping doesnt do wonders for your game play
[06:26] <jebuskrist> right now im running a whole 1s lag time
[06:26] <Qb_Master> lol all well
[06:26] <Qb_Master> I'll continue with the terminal
[06:27] <Minataku> Heh
[06:27] <Qb_Master> since it's finally coinciding with me
[06:27] <Qb_Master> (a little)
[06:27] <Qb_Master> ah hey Minataku
[06:27] <Minataku> These other guys have, like, modern Zs
[06:27] <Qb_Master> okay I got the driver installed
[06:27] <Minataku> I'm 59th with one from 1969
[06:27] <Minataku> XD
[06:27] <Qb_Master> (with ndiswrapper)
[06:27] <jebuskrist> :D
[06:27] <Qb_Master> the wlan0 still won't show up though
[06:27] <jebuskrist> think you'd beat a 69 dodge charger with that?
[06:27] <Qb_Master> anything you can think of for me to try?
[06:27] <Minataku> jebuskrist: I dunno
[06:28] <Minataku> I know there's at least one old Charger in the game
[06:28] <Qb_Master> wb Darkkish
[06:28] <Minataku> Dunno if it's a '69
[06:28] <jebuskrist> i'll almost guarantee you would in cornering lol
[06:28] <Darkkish> kback
[06:28] <Darkkish> thx Qb_Master
[06:28] <Darkkish> doing mathomework too
[06:28] <Minataku> jebuskrist: That's where I tend to excel over the AI
[06:28] <Qb_Master> lol I should be
[06:28] <Darkkish> but now i'm distracted by beryl
[06:28] <jebuskrist> mmm beryl
[06:28] <Darkkish> lol <3
[06:28] <Minataku> jebuskrist: And I was 59th even with a goofup I made
[06:28] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: did you figure out your irc pass/
[06:28] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:28] <Darkkish> no
[06:28] <Minataku> Where I went off the track for a second or two
[06:28] <Darkkish> i need someone to reset it.
[06:28] <Darkkish> >_>
[06:28] <Qb_Master> you should re-register
[06:28] <Darkkish> how?
[06:28] <Qb_Master> as like Darkkish2
[06:28] <Qb_Master> lol or something
[06:29] <Darkkish> No D:
[06:29] <Darkkish> I AM THE DARKKISH.
[06:29] <Darkkish> lol
[06:29] <jebuskrist> nice Minataku
[06:29] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:29] <jebuskrist> now whats a darkkish?
[06:29] <redshadowhero> okay, another question...
[06:29] <Qb_Master> hmm
[06:29] <Qb_Master> grr
[06:29] <Qb_Master> what am I forgetting to do?
[06:29] <redshadowhero> when a process isn't responding, is there a "ctrl+alt+del"-type combonation in kubuntu?
[06:29] <Qb_Master> lol I know it's like one thing
[06:29] <Qb_Master> one simple thing
[06:29] <Qb_Master> and it'll work
[06:30] <Qb_Master> the driver's there
[06:30] <redshadowhero> I'm asking this for a friend of mine who isn't comfortable with command line
[06:30] <Qb_Master> the alias is in
[06:30] <Qb_Master> (alias wlan0 ndiswrapper)
[06:30] <Qb_Master> but wlan0 still is absent
[06:30] <dogatemycomputer> redshadowhero: there is a task manager.. is that what you're asking?  I think its CTRL-ESC?
[06:30] <redshadowhero> oh...
[06:30] <jebuskrist> Minataku: its a 1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE
[06:30] <Qb_Master> ...
[06:31] <Qb_Master> help?
[06:31] <redshadowhero> he just said its at the shutdown screen...
[06:31] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:31] <redshadowhero> so, there wouldn't be a task manager for THAT, then.
[06:31] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: did you try my link?
[06:31] <Qb_Master> yeah
[06:31] <jebuskrist> no go?
[06:31] <Qb_Master> ooh wait I missed the bottom part
[06:31] <Qb_Master> lmao
[06:31] <dogatemycomputer> redshadowhero: i remapped my default keys to CTRL-ALT-T .. so the defaults are no longer there..
[06:31] <Qb_Master> lemme try the depmod -a
[06:31] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: it's an adjective, it came from my original name Darkkish_Box, but that's too long for alot of things
[06:32] <intelikey> why does bash math act differently with different kernels ?
[06:32] <jebuskrist> ah...
[06:32] <jebuskrist> mine comes from the fact that i looked like a deranged version of jesus all in black
[06:33] <jebuskrist> so my buddies started calling me jebus krist because i can be an asshole at times unlike the forgiving jesus christ
[06:33] <redshadowhero> dogatemycomputer: yes, ctrl+esc does work for me
[06:33] <redshadowhero> dogatemycomputer: but I'll stick with command line for all my process-killing woes
[06:33] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: ndiswrapper -l returns 'netrtlf : driver installed' ---- the site says it should return 'driver present, hardware present'
[06:33] <Qb_Master> is that a bad thing?
[06:34] <jebuskrist> no idea im a noob :(
[06:34] <Qb_Master> lol oh
[06:34] <Qb_Master> k
[06:34] <jebuskrist> thats the limit of my knowledge sorry
[06:34] <Qb_Master> k's
[06:34] <Qb_Master> well um
[06:34] <jebuskrist> as blasphemous as this may sound you might try #gentoo over on freenode
[06:34] <Qb_Master>  sudo ifdown wlan0 returns 'ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured'
[06:34] <jebuskrist> those guys could install and compile their way out of hell if need be
[06:34] <Qb_Master> haha
[06:35] <jebuskrist> @_o
[06:35] <jebuskrist> see what iwconfig gives you
[06:35] <Qb_Master> lo and eth0 still
[06:35] <jebuskrist> blast
[06:35] <Minataku> Sorry, was racing X3
[06:35] <Qb_Master> lol: sudo apt-get heaven prayer universe
[06:35] <jebuskrist> no idea :(
[06:35] <Qb_Master> :P
[06:35] <jebuskrist> good idea :D
[06:35] <Qb_Master> rotfl
[06:35] <jebuskrist> mm racing
[06:36] <Darkkish> A cool game that i found
[06:36] <Darkkish> that i had to have is called Toca Race driver 3
[06:36] <Darkkish> and it has like billions of different cars, but it's for windows, and idk how it would do on wine or cedega.
[06:36] <jebuskrist> none of that can beat mario kart :D
[06:36] <Minataku> Haha
[06:36] <Qb_Master> mario kart rules
[06:36] <Qb_Master> especially when you know how to hex edit it ;D
[06:36] <jebuskrist> name one other racing game that lets you shoot a red turtle up princess peach's backside?
[06:36] <Qb_Master> hehe I have my hacked mario kart
[06:36] <Qb_Master> that's fun to play online :D
[06:37] <Minataku> Heh
[06:37] <Qb_Master> hmm
[06:37] <Qb_Master> okay, it may sound noobish after all I've been going through
[06:37] <Qb_Master> but
[06:37] <Qb_Master> anybody know how to configure a network interface?
[06:37] <_4strO> !codecs
[06:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:37] <intelikey> i just visited #bash        chanserv is set to autoop level 0    you join you are op
[06:38] <bob_> intelikey: Sorry to keep bugging you. Just one more question: Is there anything I can do in KControl's Disk & Filesystems section so that the main Windows partition will be readable and writable by all users upon startup?
[06:38] <elementrus86> if I wanted to learn to program for linux, what would be the best language to learn?
[06:38] <Minataku> C, C++ or Python
[06:39] <Qb_Master> lol I wish I understood C++
[06:39] <Qb_Master> I prolly would if I weren't learning originally in the VisualC++ environment :P
[06:39] <intelikey> bob_ i'm not sure about kcontrol   but you can add  dmask=000,fmask=111  in /etc/fstab   for that mount.    that's the results you want.
[06:40] <Darkkish> lol probably qb
[06:40] <jebuskrist> my programming skills stop at qbasic level and bad qb at that
[06:40] <Jucato> elementrus86: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333867
[06:40] <Qb_Master> lol I learned qbasic when I was in 3rd grade
[06:40] <Qb_Master> ended up programming a DOS-based mp3 player
[06:40] <Qb_Master> in it
[06:40] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:41] <Qb_Master> however, with Windows XP it stopped working
[06:41] <intelikey> qbasic didn't exist when i was in third grade
[06:41] <Qb_Master> because Xp switched over methods of playing sound
[06:41] <bob_> intelikey: Just add that at the end of the line that /dev/hda1 (the windows partition) is on?
[06:41] <Qb_Master> haha I made a basic internet connection thing in Qbasic too :)
[06:41] <elementrus86> i think I'll go with Python
[06:41] <bob_> Sorry, never touched fstab before. :-\
[06:41] <Qb_Master> did it by retrieveing the output manually from winsock.dll
[06:42] <intelikey> bob not end     options section     like this;  /dev/hda1 /mountpoint defaults,dmask=000,fmask=111 0 0
[06:42] <jebuskrist> i feel like an old man :D
[06:42] <Qb_Master> that was a fun time :)
[06:42] <jebuskrist> when i was tooling around with qbasic we didnt have internet :D
[06:42] <intelikey> ooops.
[06:42] <Qb_Master> well at least a fun project
[06:42] <Qb_Master> haha yeah
[06:42] <intelikey> bob not end     options section     like this;  /dev/hda1 /mountpoint ntfs-3g defaults,dmask=000,fmask=111 0 0
[06:42] <jebuskrist> we had... BBS'!!!
[06:42] <Qb_Master> prolly didn't have mp3 either :P
[06:43] <Qb_Master> (not to mention WAV)
[06:43] <jebuskrist> nope :D
[06:43] <Qb_Master> hehe
[06:43] <intelikey> sorry i forgot the fstype the first time bob
[06:43] <Qb_Master> oh man I'm so close
[06:43] <jebuskrist> it could be im older than you or i was poor as #%!#@$ and couldnt afford anything back then :D
[06:43] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[06:43] <Qb_Master> well 3rd grade for me was 8 years ago
[06:43] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:43] <Qb_Master> so
[06:44] <Qb_Master> ya
[06:44] <intelikey> bob note: you should probably install and use ntfs-3g
[06:44] <jebuskrist> 3rd grade for me was...
[06:44] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[06:44] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:44] <jebuskrist> long long ago
[06:44] <Qb_Master> heh
[06:44] <jebuskrist> im probably damn near old enough to be a few peoples parents in here
[06:44] <bob_> intelikey: Should I do that before making this change to fstab?
[06:44] <Qb_Master> um, anybody know a way to open Kate as root without having to go to the terminal and type 'sudo kate'?
[06:44] <jebuskrist> makes me feel like a luser :D
[06:44] <intelikey> bob before or after    read the ubotu post  ^
[06:44] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master:  kdesu kate
[06:45] <jebuskrist> after pressing alt+f2
[06:45] <Qb_Master> thanks :)
[06:45] <jebuskrist> np
[06:46] <jebuskrist> i think i had alot more patience back in the dos days than i do now because i learned dos and computers by banging around as i am in linux now but i get irritated more easily with it now lol
[06:46] <proxie> Any chance anyone could help me mount a hard drive real quick?
[06:46] <jebuskrist> proxie: perhaps
[06:46] <intelikey> bob_ changes in fstab  affect new mounts only.   i.e. you can edit it all day but until the mount command is called for a fs listed in fstab nothing changes.     to test fstab,  close anything accessing the fs and   sudo umount /mountpoint ;sudo mount /mountpoint
[06:46] <proxie> It's a simple hard drive ... although it has WIndows data on it (in NTFS format)
[06:47] <proxie> I just know next to nothing about how to go about getting it mounted.
[06:47] <intelikey> bob_ also the example i gave will mount automatically at boot time.
[06:47] <jebuskrist> proxie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:47] <proxie> I installed "NTFS-config" from the adept manager, but when I click on it to start the application ... nothing comes up
[06:48] <jebuskrist> i know its not supported here but i used automatix to get mine working
[06:48] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g | proxie
[06:48] <ubotu> proxie: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:48] <jebuskrist> intelikey: i already linked em...
[06:48] <bob_> intelikey: That's what I want to do. ntfs-3g isn't necessary for that, right?
[06:49] <intelikey> bob_ writing to ntfs....   yeah kinda.
[06:49] <bob_> intelikey: Because I didn't need it on any of the previous dual boot setups, although as stated, there are some slight differences.
[06:49] <intelikey> bob_ and you didn't break windows ?
[06:49] <proxie> intelikey: what is the "!ntfs-3g" ... is that a command?
[06:49] <Qb_Master> ya jebuskrist they won't help me there
[06:49] <intelikey> proxie bot call.  ubotu answered  ^
[06:49] <brianw> jebuskrist: please do not refer people to #gentoo.
[06:49] <proxie> AH, got ya
[06:49] <Qb_Master> they "support strictly gentoo"
[06:49] <jebuskrist> brianw: sorry :(
[06:50] <brianw> jebuskrist: no worries
[06:50] <bob_> Nope
[06:50] <jebuskrist> well thats not a very friendly thing they always helped me out
[06:50] <brianw> Qb_Master: what is the problem?
[06:50] <Qb_Master> well I had to install my own wireless driver using ndiswrapper
[06:50] <Qb_Master> it says the driver's installed now
[06:50] <Qb_Master> but
[06:50] <brianw> eww
[06:50] <Qb_Master> wlan0 is still not showing up
[06:50] <Qb_Master> (ya I know I had no choice)
[06:50] <intelikey> bob_ if you like "russian rulet"  don't use ntfs-3g
[06:50] <brianw> iwconfig wlan0
[06:51] <Qb_Master> no such device
[06:51] <Qb_Master> it shows up in an lspci though
[06:51] <bob_> intelikey: Ok, thanks. I'll have to fix that on my friends' systems, I guess.
[06:51] <brianw> Qb_Master: is ndiswrapper loaded? lsmod | grep ndis
[06:51] <Qb_Master> ndiswrapper           185820  0
[06:51] <Qb_Master> usbcore               134280  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[06:51] <Qb_Master> appears so
[06:52] <Qb_Master> I think that means it's loaded
[06:52] <brianw> Qb_Master: aye
[06:52] <brianw> Qb_Master: iwconfig
[06:52] <jebuskrist> anyone here running 64bit Kubuntu?
[06:52] <brianw> Qb_Master: any ifaces showing wireless extentions?
[06:52] <jack-> question: i solved the doesnt-even-boot-up thing, was just the fact that nvidia dropped support for old chips like my laptop-ge4..nv works, without opengl/glx though
[06:52] <Qb_Master> lo - no wireless extensions && eth0 - no wireless extensions
[06:53] <jack-> but now i have the same thing with the sound
[06:53] <Qb_Master> (I'm on eth0 atm, which is wired)
[06:53] <Darkkish> I want to configure my 5 button mouse
[06:53] <jack-> does anyone know which update could have killed my sound?
[06:53] <crimsun> jack-: too vague.  What does /proc/asound/cards show?
[06:53] <jebuskrist> jack have you made sure its not muted?
[06:53] <jebuskrist> and the correct card is selected
[06:54] <jack-> yup
[06:54] <Qb_Master> brianw: nope
[06:54] <jebuskrist> i have my onboard sound disabled via bios yet linux still picks it up so i have to select the audigy2
[06:54] <Qb_Master> no ifaces showing wireless extensions :(
[06:54] <Darkkish> where is the xorg again?
[06:54] <jack-> crimsun: jack# cat  /proc/asound/cards
[06:54] <jack->  0 [I82801DBICH4   ] : ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[06:54] <jack->                       Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with ALC202 at 0xd0000c00, irq 10
[06:54] <bob_> jack-: Did you try nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:54] <jebuskrist> xorg.cong?
[06:54] <jebuskrist> orr xorg.conf
[06:54] <intelikey> jebuskrist yeah linus doesn't care much for bios
[06:54] <jack-> bob_ yes, works but glx still doesnt show up
[06:54] <jack-> back to nv for now :x
[06:54] <bob_> Ouch
[06:55] <brianw> Qb_Master: ndiswrapper -l
[06:55] <jack-> seems like i need some odd driver revision inbetween
[06:55] <crimsun> jack-: now pastebin `amixer`  (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[06:55] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:55] <Qb_Master> netrtlx : driver installed
[06:55] <Qb_Master> ^
[06:55] <Darkkish> jebuskrist tthanks
[06:55] <jebuskrist> np
[06:55] <intelikey> i have an "unsupported" nvidia card too
[06:55] <jebuskrist> i have a supported 7900GT PCI-E card
[06:56] <jebuskrist> which is almost 100% useless in linux :D
[06:56] <_4strO> !theme
[06:56] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:56] <Qb_Master> haha jebuskrist I know that -- I have the 7950GT PCI-E
[06:56] <Qb_Master> :P
[06:56] <jebuskrist> a fine card that is :D
[06:56] <Qb_Master> doesn't get much use here in Linux
[06:56] <Qb_Master> ooh yeah :)
[06:56] <brianw> Qb_Master: rmmod ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && dmesg|tail -n10
[06:56] <jebuskrist> i only keep window around for games
[06:56] <jebuskrist> windows^
[06:57] <jack-> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24362/
[06:57] <jack-> looks ok to me :x
[06:57] <brianw> Qb_Master: then paste the tail of dmesg
[06:57] <Qb_Master> here?
[06:57] <crimsun> jack-: amixer set 'External Amplifier' mute
[06:57] <jebuskrist> i suppose i'll back all my stuff up tomorrow format and reinstall both OS' :(
[06:57] <brianw> Qb_Master: no, to a pastebin
[06:57] <Darkkish> why do i always get errors when i open a file using kate?
[06:57] <Qb_Master> lolk
[06:57] <Qb_Master> 1 moment - gotta get my pizza lol
[06:58] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: what error?
[06:58] <jebuskrist> oh and are you running it as root?
[06:58] <jack-> crimsun: done, gave me some crackling in the speakers
[06:58] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: device error
[06:58] <jebuskrist> @_o
[06:58] <Darkkish> Failed to open device
[06:58] <Darkkish> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[06:58] <crimsun> jack-: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[06:59] <jebuskrist> that stumps me
[06:59] <jebuskrist> but im a noob its not hard to do
[07:00] <intelikey> hmmmm some days ya just can't win.
[07:00] <jack-> crimsun: nothing audible ;x problem is: gui apps like noatun dont just play silently, they seem to play 100x faster too
[07:00] <Darkkish> how do i configure my 5 button mouse?
[07:00] <jebuskrist> oh and some ice to both :D
[07:00] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:00] <jack-> time position bar gets through a 80minutes techno set in less than 5 seconds
[07:00] <Qb_Master> okay I'm goin to pastebin now
[07:00] <jebuskrist> no idea Darkkish
[07:01] <Qb_Master> lmao :P
[07:01] <jebuskrist> thats probably 5 seconds too long then :(
[07:01] <intelikey> !mouse | Darkkish
[07:01] <ubotu> Darkkish: Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[07:01] <jebuskrist> just kidding :D
[07:01] <jack-> crimsun: doesnt even matter which backend i configure my arts to use (alsa, oss, esd)
[07:01] <jebuskrist> lol serial mouse :D
[07:02] <Darkkish> thanks intelikey...
[07:02] <Qb_Master> http://paste.uni.cc/16124
[07:02] <Qb_Master> br
[07:02] <Qb_Master> er
[07:02] <Qb_Master> brianw: there ya go :)
[07:02] <jebuskrist> i think the thing i like most about linux is that i can sit on a fresh un-updated install and not get slammed by 300000000 viruses in a span of 5 minutes
[07:02] <intelikey> jack- try alsa  it's a little cleaner...
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: still no wlan0 in iwconfig ?
[07:03] <jack-> intelikey: i know, thanks, but that doesnt give me my sound back ;p
[07:03] <Qb_Master> nope :(
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: is it a usb wifi card?
[07:03] <Qb_Master> no, PCI
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: wierd
[07:03] <brianw> Qb_Master: get a real card, an atheros based one :)
[07:04] <Qb_Master> haha well here's the thing
[07:04] <Qb_Master> it works in Windows, and on Dapper Drake
[07:04] <Qb_Master> (Kubuntu 6.06)
[07:04] <jack-> anyone else seen that sound problem after updating kde to 3.5.7?
[07:04] <intelikey> jack- i must defer to crimsun on sound issues.   he's the man.
[07:04] <Qb_Master> but not in 7.04
[07:04] <brianw> I would still get a native card if it is pci
[07:04] <Qb_Master> atheros?
[07:04] <jebuskrist> brianw: im not sure if this has any bearing on Qb_Master's situation but i had a Belkin F5D7000 he has the F5D5000 with the RTL8180L chipset mine i believe had the RTL8187L chipset and i couldnt get *nix or doze to use realtek's modules nor drivers
[07:05] <jebuskrist> the ONLY thing that used and recognized the card in windows was Belkin's own drivers
[07:05] <Qb_Master> lol I have indeed had a lot of problems with this card
[07:05] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i've learned to stay away from Belkin's gear
[07:05] <Qb_Master> *installing it anyways
[07:06] <Qb_Master> hm, you're not the 1st to tell me that lol
[07:06] <Qb_Master> 2nd person in 2 days that told me belkin is bad...
[07:06] <brianw> Qb_Master: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156168
[07:06] <jebuskrist> i bought the F5D7000 because it used the linux supported chip or so i thought until nothing but their own windows drivers picked it up and used it then it kept dropping ever minute or two
[07:06] <brianw> Qb_Master: I use that in my router
[07:06] <Qb_Master> k
[07:06] <intelikey> Qb_Master belkin = eval     count now at 3.
[07:07] <Qb_Master> haha
[07:07] <Qb_Master> well I like my belkin router
[07:07] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: sell it to some unsuspecting windows loving noob @_@
[07:07] <Qb_Master> never had any problems with it
[07:07] <brianw> Qb_Master: also this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156165
[07:07] <Qb_Master> amazing seeing as it fell off a truck
[07:07] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:07] <jebuskrist> fell off a truck P
[07:07] <jebuskrist> :P
[07:07] <Qb_Master> haha ya I might do that
[07:07] <Qb_Master> it did lmao
[07:07] <brianw> Qb_Master: I am just saying that I use that to act as an AP in my linux router
[07:07] <Qb_Master> wound up at a warehouse
[07:07] <brianw> Qb_Master: it works well
[07:07] <Qb_Master> that my brother worked next to
[07:07] <Qb_Master> k
[07:08] <Qb_Master> grr I hate wireless internet
[07:08] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i was a thug in my old days which is how i got to where i am now so i know what fell off the back of a truck is :P
[07:08] <Qb_Master> haha sweet
[07:08] <jebuskrist> disclaimer: dont take that as an endorsement for being a thug hood gangster gangsta or so on
[07:08] <Qb_Master> if you guys can avoid it -- do not get wireless internet :P
[07:08] <brianw> Qb_Master: I have used both of those cards, and they use the atheros chipset which has a native driver: madwifi
[07:08] <Qb_Master> i c
[07:09] <elementrus86> hey again
[07:09] <elementrus86> lol
[07:09] <elementrus86> how can I get my iPod to show up when I plug it in
[07:09] <Qb_Master> I just don't have $38.28 right now :(
[07:09] <brianw> Qb_Master: no need to muck about w/ ndiswrapper...
[07:09] <jebuskrist> im using on "onboard" USB card using the RTL8187L chip straight out of the box no problems
[07:09] <elementrus86> nothings happening when I plug it in
[07:09] <brianw> Qb_Master: the other is 25 bucks
[07:09] <Qb_Master> hell, I barely have 10
[07:09] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: can you put it in mass storage mode so it shows up like a hard drive?
[07:09] <brianw> Qb_Master: cut some lawns
[07:09] <elementrus86> umm havent tried that
[07:09] <jebuskrist> or ask me for tips on thuggery, just kidding
[07:10] <Qb_Master> I would, but everybody here is rich and has riding lawn mowers :P
[07:10] <Qb_Master> (except me)
[07:10] <Qb_Master> get this one
[07:10] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: so sabotage the mowers and start yourself a nice lil repair business :D
[07:10] <brianw> Qb_Master: ask for donations, say you are going to Washington DC for a summer trip. heh
[07:10] <Qb_Master> haha jebuskrist
[07:10] <Qb_Master> get this: I'm in a tiny spot of "the middle of nowhere"
[07:10] <Qb_Master> literally, tiny
[07:10] <intelikey> !rockbox | elementrus86
[07:10] <ubotu> elementrus86: rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:10] <Qb_Master> 45 feet to my left
[07:10] <Qb_Master> there is DSL and Cable coverage
[07:11] <Qb_Master> about 300 yards to my right
[07:11] <Qb_Master> there is DSL and Cable coverage
[07:11] <Qb_Master> but on this hill there are 2 houses
[07:11] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: out of curiousity where are you located :D
[07:11] <Qb_Master> one of them being mine
[07:11] <Qb_Master> haha Washington
[07:11] <jebuskrist> you sound like you might be my neighbor!
[07:11] <elementrus86> how do you turn your ipod into disk mode
[07:11] <jebuskrist> no idea
[07:11] <elementrus86> what buttons you press? i forgot
[07:11] <jebuskrist> i dont own one
[07:11] <Qb_Master> are you in Washington? lol
[07:11] <jebuskrist> nah..
[07:11] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:11] <jebuskrist> im in gods waiting room
[07:12] <Qb_Master> lol
[07:12] <jebuskrist> err florida
[07:12] <intelikey> !enter | Qb_Master & jebuskrist
[07:12] <ubotu> Qb_Master & jebuskrist: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:12] <jebuskrist> sorry intelikey :( i failed english
[07:12] <stumpleit> I installed ubuntu on my macbook pro but I am having trouble getting my ATI rad 1600 working can anyone send me a link?
[07:12] <Qb_Master> oh okay I'm sorry - old habit. On my old channel that was the only way to keep one's attention :P
[07:12] <intelikey> !ati | stumpleit
[07:12] <ubotu> stumpleit: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <stumpleit> thanks
[07:13] <Qb_Master> intelikey: is that your bot?
[07:13] <intelikey> Qb_Master no.
[07:13] <Qb_Master> lolk
[07:14] <jebuskrist> same here Qb_Master im not used the the structured environment of *nix channels, im used to the chans where you have a half dozen kids pretending to be female with the other half that have no gender confusion issues trying to get n00ds out of the gender confused 35 year olds :D
[07:14] <Qb_Master> haha
[07:14] <Qb_Master> well we had slightly better standards than that :P
[07:14] <jebuskrist> yeah after i became op we did too :D
[07:15] <Qb_Master> I ran a large scripting channel on a small IRC
[07:15] <jebuskrist> i was part of a large scene hacking channel for game consoles
[07:15] <jebuskrist> along with the website and other related aspects
[07:15] <Qb_Master> lots of people talking about code, which required more than one line per explanation most of the time :P
[07:15] <Qb_Master> sweet
[07:16] <jebuskrist> ah for the days of the dreamcast....
[07:16] <Qb_Master> haha I got a friend who's on a ps3 hacking team
[07:16] <jebuskrist> nice, im thinking if we just want to chat we should probably join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:16] <Qb_Master> hey brianw
[07:17] <bob_> Raising Skinny Elephants Is Ultimately Becoming tedious
[07:17] <Qb_Master> if I were to fetch the Kubuntu 6.06 driver and put it into 7.04
[07:17] <jack-> and i still need my sound back :x
[07:17] <Qb_Master> could I use it to run the card? Since the card worked in 6.06
[07:17] <jebuskrist> it wouldnt work due to version mismatches i believe
[07:17] <jack-> crimsun: afk? ;x
[07:17] <Rictoo> Guys, if i installed a program with apt-get, but I want to isntall the latest version of this app (which the repos don't have), can I compile from source? Will this update the old version I got with apt-get?
[07:17] <intelikey> bob_  :)    ok pastebin your fstab     (assuming that's still the issue)
[07:18] <Rictoo> Aka will copiling from source update the old app from apt-get?
[07:18] <Rictoo> Or do I need to apt-get remove first?
[07:18] <sthompson> Howdy all. I believe I have found a bug in KDE but I'm not sure if its just plain KDE in general or Kubuntu
[07:18] <bob_> Rictoo: I think you're best off uninstalling from apt
[07:18] <Rictoo> ok
[07:18] <jack-> Rictoo: dont apt-get remove
[07:18] <bob_> Then compiling
[07:18] <Rictoo> thanks
[07:18] <Rictoo> jack-: ?
[07:18] <Qb_Master> heh okay then
[07:18] <Qb_Master> I'll take that response as a "no"
[07:18] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:18] <Rictoo> compiling from source will update an app from a package?
[07:18] <jebuskrist> yeah thats the simple answer :D
[07:18] <Rictoo> that I isntalled eariler?
[07:18] <jack-> of course
[07:18] <sthompson> I've noticed that when I copy an open office writer or open office spreadsheet the desktop the icon becomes transparent
[07:18] <Qb_Master> actually it's the more complex and expensive answer
[07:18] <Rictoo> REALLY?
[07:19] <Rictoo> :O
[07:19] <crimsun> jack-: unload the sound drivers, erase the state file, reload snd-intel8x0
[07:19] <Rictoo> Are you absolutely sure?
[07:19] <Rictoo> like ABSOLUTELY? :\
[07:19] <Qb_Master> that resonse means I have to fork out $40 that I don't have for a new wireless card
[07:19] <intelikey> Rictoo you can compile and make a .deb   then the package manager will handle the update just fine.
[07:19] <Qb_Master> or just not use the internet on Linux any longer
[07:19] <Rictoo> intelikey: How do I make a deb?
[07:19] <sthompson> Can someone here test that for me?
[07:19] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: question: what do you NEED in 7.04?
[07:19] <jack-> crimsun: sweet, thanks, and how do i unload the sound drivers and where's the state file?
[07:19] <Qb_Master> nothing. I was told to update...
[07:19] <Darkkish> Qb_you could for out the $12 for a 40ft Cat5 cable :D
[07:19] <Darkkish> that would solve alot of problems
[07:19] <Rictoo> intelikey: How do I compile to a deb?
[07:20] <Qb_Master> Darkkish lol yes I could - and prolly should
[07:20] <jebuskrist> well if you dont absolutely need 7.04 i'd just go back to 6.06
[07:20] <Minataku> I better head off to sleep
[07:20] <Minataku> Night, all
[07:20] <stumpleit> the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto arent working for me and aticonfig --inital is seg faulting can anyone help me?
[07:20] <jebuskrist> later Minataku
[07:20] <Minataku> Sorry for being a bit irritating earlier X3
[07:20] <jack-> [../../../src/audio_oss.c:188]  error: Can't open default sound device!
[07:20] <jack-> audio: No such file or directory
[07:20] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  thats what i did.
[07:20] <intelikey> Rictoo i think there is an apt way to do that.    i'm not porficient in that field.    i just know i've seen it discussed in here.
[07:20] <jack-> mpg123's answer
[07:20] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: sell the card to some unsuspecting windows noob and buy a cable :D
[07:20] <jebuskrist> irritating?
[07:21] <Qb_Master> haha I think I will
[07:21] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Before you were here
[07:21] <Minataku> ;3
[07:21] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:21] <bob_> intelikey: Well, I think I've reached an acceptable solution with the Windows partition. Regardless of which route I go, I'm not going to be able to set it up so that only a certain user can read/write from an NTFS drive, unless that one user is root, correct? (Sorry for the stilted wording, I can exert some effort and rephrase if necessary :-D )
[07:21] <Qb_Master> actually no I'll keep the card
[07:21] <Minataku> Sorry, night all X3
[07:21] <jebuskrist> ah :D you were cool with me
[07:21] <jebuskrist> nite
[07:21] <Qb_Master> I'll keep it so I can pick up on other peeps's wireless networks
[07:21] <Qb_Master> :P
[07:21] <intelikey> bob_ negitive.
[07:21] <sthompson> If someone can check the icon (bug) for me I'd appreciate it
[07:21] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i wouldnt do that :P
[07:22] <jebuskrist> too many people are getting busted for such these days
[07:22] <shachaf> bob_: They have RW for NTFS nowadays?
[07:22] <Qb_Master> that's not illegal if their network is unencrypted :P
[07:22] <shachaf> bob_: That shows how out of date I am.
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> shachaf: its stable
[07:22] <intelikey> bob_ uid=<users-uid>,dmask=022,fmask=133
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/write-support-for-ntfs
[07:22] <jebuskrist> true but you'll have to prove that in court :D
[07:22] <jebuskrist> and i assure you court isnt fun :D
[07:23] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  yes it is
[07:23] <shachaf> Admiral_Chicago: That's impressive.
[07:23] <intelikey> bob_ then when it's mounted the "uid" will own everything on the fs.  and have full access.    like i said   man mount   and read up on  'file system specific' options
[07:23] <Qb_Master> why is it?
[07:24] <shachaf> Admiral_Chicago: Doesn't Vista have a new NTFS or something like that?
[07:24] <Qb_Master> lol I don't know for sure that it is or isn't
[07:24] <jebuskrist> vista is the devil
[07:24] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  this guy was using a free coffee shop wifi and the po-po arrested him on the account that the coffee shop owner didn't know he was using it (though the coffee shop owner didn't knwo that was the law either)
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> shachaf: i don't follow vista, it is a PITA imho
[07:24] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: agreed
[07:24] <Darkkish> just goes to show how corrupt some police can be Qb_Master (on account that the owner didn't care)
[07:24] <Qb_Master> lol
[07:25] <Qb_Master> I'd take my laptop and run
[07:25] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: im not sure if its illegal exactly but its your burden to prove you didnt commit a criminal act and that costs money and time
[07:25] <Qb_Master> all ya gotta go is make sure you're not giving out personal info and that your computer's MAC address has been altered :P
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[07:25] <jebuskrist> its more hassle than its worth
[07:25] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:25] <jebuskrist> i assume you want us to take it to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[07:25] <bob_> intelikey: Ok, so just change this line: "/dev/hda1 /media/windows_partition auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0" to this: "/dev/hda1 /media/windows_partition auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid,uid=bob,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0"?
[07:25] <intelikey> bob_   in a konsole  type;  man mount     hit /   and type;   uid=value and gid=value      hit enter.
[07:26] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: that's true
[07:26] <bob_> intelikey: Ok, will do.
[07:26] <Qb_Master> :/ lol
[07:26] <bob_> Thanks a lot for sticking with me through all that. You've been a huge help
[07:26] <jebuskrist> Darkkish, Qb_Master if we want to debate such thing we should probably take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:27] <intelikey> bob_  not  uid=bob  but uid=####    echo $UID  as bob to see  ####
[07:27] <Qb_Master> I'm there
[07:27] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  not if they walk up to you and bust you
[07:27] <bob_> ohh, duh. I knew that earlier. heh
[07:27] <Darkkish> who do i talk to about recovering a lost password?
[07:27] <shachaf> bob_: I think uid= won't accept a username.
[07:27] <shachaf> bob_: You'll have to give it a user id ("id -u").
[07:28] <intelikey> shachaf  ^^^  echo $UID
[07:28] <Qb_Master> Darkkish:
[07:28] <Qb_Master> er
[07:28] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: we're in #kubunti-offtopic
[07:28] <Qb_Master> grr
[07:28] <Qb_Master> lmao you know
[07:28] <shachaf> intelikey: Is yours any better?
[07:28] <bob_> shachaf: Thanks
[07:29] <shachaf> intelikey: Mine is shell-independent.
[07:29] <intelikey> shachaf no just saying i already gave him that info.
[07:29] <_4strO> yahouuuu one more kubuntu in the nature :)
[07:29] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh, oops.
[07:29] <intelikey> set works too
[07:29] <shachaf> intelikey: Sorry, I didn't see your message.
[07:30] <intelikey> don't worry about it.   as long as we don't overload the user i approve of alternate ideas
[07:30] <_4strO> a friend ask me to reinstall his windows, i put a kubuntu too :)
[07:30] <intelikey> often mention other ways of doing   'blah'  myself
[07:30] <shachaf> intelikey: No, they're equally good.
[07:31] <shachaf> intelikey: But mine is more equally good than yours. :-)
[07:31] <intelikey> lol
[07:31] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: i had the same problem with my nick being stolen and they told me to just wait till and if it expire then jump on it and reclaim it
[07:31] <intelikey> more equal....  i'll have to remember that... :)
[07:32] <intelikey> hmmmm   2=2_8  but  2=10_2 is more equal     right ?
[07:34] <intelikey> ok i'm going to "reboot" to recover the half of my memory that MC=Midnight Commander   trashed and cant release...        i hate bugs!
[07:34] <shachaf> intelikey: No, wait.
[07:34] <intelikey> waiting
[07:34] <shachaf> intelikey: Why can't you just kill it?
[07:34] <intelikey> it's not running.  it's a memory leak.
[07:35] <shachaf> intelikey: Where's the memory?
[07:35] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: yeah but i've been waiting forever.
[07:35] <shachaf> intelikey: It doesn't make sense for it to keep on leaking after mc is dead.
[07:35] <intelikey> it ate up 100M  trying to save 125bite file that it only had group permission on.
[07:36] <intelikey> doesn't affect ide   only scsi disks
[07:36] <intelikey> real scsi,  not emulated    afik
[07:37] <intelikey> it's not still leaking.   it ate the ram  and the kernel thinks it's in use.
[07:37] <shachaf> intelikey: Is this really a kernel bug?
[07:37] <intelikey> nope
[07:37] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: 30 days or more?
[07:37] <intelikey> not unless it affect 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
[07:38] <intelikey> and mc can't save files with only group permissions     it should but it can't insted it eats tons of ram trying.
[07:39] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: it's been 32 weeks...
[07:39] <jebuskrist> wtf..
[07:40] <jebuskrist> i have no idea then Darkkish unless someone stole your pass and is logging in to keep it active
[07:40] <intelikey> shachaf i have no idea really.     just know i've tested it with 5 different kernels now,  all the same   it's hard to immagine a kernel bug spanning 2.4.12 --- 2.6.15
[07:41] <shachaf> intelikey: I don't see why that would happen.
[07:42] <shachaf> intelikey: Are you sure it was really killed?
[07:42] <intelikey> shachaf do i have dumb ass writen on my fore head or something ?
[07:43] <shachaf> intelikey: Sorry, just making sure.
[07:43] <shachaf> intelikey: This doesn't make sense.
[07:43] <siva> when i install any any packages from source, the error "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.". how can i resolve it
[07:43] <shachaf> intelikey: Can I reproduce this?
[07:43] <intelikey> shachaf what's more it eats about 35m per attempt to save the same file   until you run out of ram and OOMK takes over.
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: I have mc installed.
[07:44] <intelikey> shachaf if you have an scsi hd maybe
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh.
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: You think it's a hardware problem?
[07:44] <intelikey> i can't reproduce it on ide disks on the same box
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: It doesn't happen with IDE?
[07:44] <shachaf> intelikey: Hmm.
[07:44] <intelikey> nope.
[07:46] <intelikey> get this.   it doesn't happen when i use the same app in the same system and save to an ide disk   it doesn't happen if i have user permission  and it doesn't happen if i dont have any permission  only if i  try to save to scsi disk and have only group permission.
[07:46] <shachaf> intelikey: That's... Strange.
[07:46] <shachaf> intelikey: Why do you use mc anyway?
[07:47] <Darkkish> crap i almost had my mouse working
[07:47] <intelikey> and seeing that my primary usage is on scsi disk and normally only group perms... it's really annoying
[07:47] <Darkkish> then it stopped suddenly.
[07:47] <Darkkish> what the hell >_>
[07:47] <intelikey> shachaf i hardly ever run a gui
[07:47] <Darkkish> is there some sort of mouse configuring gui?
[07:47] <intelikey> Darkkish kcontrol  ?
[07:48] <shachaf> intelikey: (1) Why not? (2) What's wrong with the command line?
[07:48] <Darkkish> intelikey: what?
[07:48] <shachaf> intelikey: I run X all the time, and never use a graphical file browser.
[07:50] <intelikey> shachaf you probably never used mc much...   if it didn't have this bug i'd still be singing it's praises...    it's not just a file browser.    it's my primary editor as well.
[07:50] <Darkkish> grrr
[07:50] <Darkkish> i cant figure out this damn mouse thing
[07:50] <shachaf> intelikey: Its editor is practically edit.com.
[07:50] <siva> when i install any any packages from source, the error "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.". how can i resolve it
[07:51] <shachaf> intelikey: Even if you don't like vi (which I do)/want to learn vi, there are better alternatives.
[07:51] <intelikey> shachaf no. it's not edit.com    has some common look and feel but not a lot.
[07:52] <intelikey> does tons of things that vim also does   but with a feel that i much prefer.
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: you need build-essential
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: you need build-essentials *
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry spelled it wrong
[07:53] <intelikey> anyway.  that's about enough of my offtopicness.   anything else you want to ask before i go shachaf ?
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: are you sure its not in the repos though
[07:53] <siva> how can i do this?
[07:53] <shachaf> intelikey: Nothing urgent, I'll see you when you get back.
[07:53] <siva> ya.. i am sure
[07:54] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago no s
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i'll remember that
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: install that package
[07:55] <^RiaN^> someone here have base64 encoder
[07:55] <^RiaN^> what linux tool that encoding base64
[07:56] <siva> i have installed gcc. but, i couldn't compile a basic c program. how can i reinstall gcc?
[07:56] <yknott> siva: what is the command you are using?
[07:56] <Jucato> siva: install the "build-essential" package. gcc alone might not be enough
[07:56] <siva> gcc siva.c
[07:57] <siva> ok. i will do
[07:57] <klobster> when a cd or flash disk is automounted how does it know where to mount to?
[07:58] <siva> thanks admiral and jucato
[07:58] <intelikey> that's the way i like to see memory used.                    -/+ buffers/cache:         11        238
[07:59] <intelikey> playing audio files talking on irc editing scripts...  and only 11 m used.
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> siva: did it work?
[08:00] <Jucato> (most probably it did :D)
[08:00] <Jucato> or hopefully...
[08:01] <siva> i am installing "build-essential" using apt-get. i hope this will work.thanks
[08:01] <jebuskrist> intelikey: thats what i like about linux :D
[08:03] <intelikey> jebuskrist one of many.    er  eplurabus unium
[08:03] <Ashex> anyone every had the issue of Xorg randomly restarting?
[08:03] <jebuskrist> english :)
[08:07] <pagan0ne> could someone help me to configure my new bluetooth usb dongle under 7.04?
[08:16] <pagan0ne> could someone help me to configure my new bluetooth usb dongle under 7.04?
[08:19] <intelikey> would someone pastebin the output of   "cat /proc/meminfo"   i need to see what a 2.6 kernel does, please
[08:20] <Darkkish> damnit
[08:20] <Darkkish> i still havn't gotten this mouse figured out.
[08:21] <intelikey> Darkkish all my mice have only two buts   i can't do any more than point you at the wiki       which i did...
[08:21] <Darkkish> well
[08:22] <Darkkish> i managed to bind my mouse wheel to the exact thign i want the other buttons to do
[08:22] <intelikey> heh
[08:23] <pagan0ne> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/543833
[08:23] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: you ever get the feeling linux is trying to kill you
[08:24] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: no, but it killed my dog once....
[08:24] <Darkkish> From old age, yes.
[08:24] <intelikey> thank you pagan0ne
[08:24] <pagan0ne> intelikey: np
[08:24] <pagan0ne> intelikey: had to show off some anyway, 4GB of DDR2 aint cheep :D
[08:24] <shachaf> intelikey: I'm curious -- why do you not run X?
[08:24] <Qb_Master> k well thanks for your help guys
[08:24] <Qb_Master> I'ma go do other crap now lol
[08:25] <jebuskrist> later :D
[08:25] <Qb_Master> :D
[08:25] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: 4gb is pretty cheap :D
[08:25] <jebuskrist> only about $200
[08:25] <shachaf> intelikey: Is it to save resources?
[08:26] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  what are you up to?
[08:26] <pagan0ne_reheati> jebuskrist: not the good stuff, its a tad bit more than that, but still i feel special now :D
[08:26] <Qb_Master> about to watch TV and study
[08:26] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne_reheati: are we talking OCZ ballistix etc?
[08:26] <ardchoille> shachaf: Actually, if you have the right apps, xorg isn't needed. You can surf the web, process email, chat, im, create/edit documents all without x.
[08:26] <Qb_Master> and Darkkish why the hell didn't you join the damn channel?
[08:26] <Qb_Master> I told you about it 10 times
[08:26] <Qb_Master> lol
[08:27] <shachaf> ardchoille: Sure, I was just curious.
[08:27] <Qb_Master> you missed good conversation
[08:27] <jebuskrist> calm down Qb_Master :P
[08:27] <Qb_Master> lol I'm calm :)
[08:27] <Qb_Master> haha
[08:28] <shachaf> ardchoille: With my WM, my urxvts are almost ttys.
[08:28] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  which one?
[08:28] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:28] <Darkkish> Qb_Master:  and when did you tell me?
 intelikey: Is it to save resources? <<< sorry was busy.    yes in part.  i just kinda grew out of the pointy clicky thingy     idk why.
[08:28] <Qb_Master> umm when they told us to go there b/c we were talking about the legality of cnxn'ing to wireless networks
[08:28] <Qb_Master> so I joined and told you to join
[08:29] <Darkkish> well i was trying to configure this damn mouse
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then he told you to join
[08:29] <Darkkish> i know exactally what the problem is
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I reminded you to join
[08:29] <ardchoille> shachaf: Yeah. and I run screen+irssi+elinks+mutt+mc+$others and sometimes go weeks without xorg even running.
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I noticed you to join
[08:29] <Darkkish> i just don't know what to do about it.
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I told you again to join
[08:29] <Qb_Master> then I told you just now that you didn't join
[08:29] <jebuskrist> he was busy Qb_Master :)
[08:29] <Qb_Master> lol
[08:29] <pagan0ne_reheati> jebuskrist: ocz
[08:29] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne_reheati: that stuff isnt cheap :D
[08:29] <Qb_Master> anyways I g2g
[08:29] <shachaf> ardchoille: I use xmonad (http://xmonad.org/).
[08:30] <shachaf> ardchoille: Very minimal WM.
[08:30] <jordo23> Is there a way to save your KDE session without logging out and back in?
[08:30] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: whats the problem with your mouse maybe i can help you fix it?
[08:30] <shachaf> intelikey: It doesn't have any of the "pointy-clicky thingy".
[08:30] <intelikey> shachaf i don't do anything that requires a GUI really   i have a few vidios, not many, but i can watch them in the console...
[08:30] <intelikey> shachaf ?
[08:30] <ardchoille> jordo23: What's the point, the session will be saved when you log out and you will eventually ahve to log out anyway.
[08:31] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: yeah you got that right
[08:31] <jordo23> ardchoille: Sometimes I have to restart X and it doesn't save....
[08:31] <shachaf> intelikey: With the framebuffer?
[08:31] <ardchoille> jordo23: Even if you save your session now, you can't "use" it until you log in, which means you had to log out and then the session will get saed anyway.
[08:31] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: i had some corsair twinx total was about $600 in ram :D
[08:32] <intelikey> or svgalibs   either   i prefer svgalib and vlc
[08:32] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: my mouse buttons that should be bound to 6 and 7 are bound to 2 and 3
[08:32] <intelikey> shachaf ^
[08:32] <ardchoille> jordo23: Oh, ok. Well, you might want to find out why you're having to do that as it isn't normal.
[08:32] <jordo23> ardchoille: Not when X crashes from Cedega and stuff and has to be restarted...
[08:32] <Darkkish> (Aka I have 2 mouse2 buttons, and 2 mouse3 buttons
[08:32] <shachaf> intelikey: Why the "?"?
[08:32] <jebuskrist> hmm
[08:32] <ardchoille> lol @ cedega
[08:32] <jebuskrist> and xorg.conf isnt working for you?
 intelikey: It doesn't have any of the "pointy-clicky thingy".  <<<<  i don't follow ???
[08:32] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: this is a match set of 4 1GB ddr2 800 OCZ sticks :p anyway back on topic, you know anything about bluetooth in linux?
[08:32] <jordo23> ardchoille: I laugh at it too sometimes :)
[08:32] <ardchoille> hehe
[08:32] <shachaf> intelikey: Sorry, I was referring to my messages to ardchoille.
[08:33] <shachaf> intelikey: I meant xmonad (http://xmonad.org/), the WM.
[08:33] <jordo23> ardchoille: you know what I mean though....sometimes X just freezes from that stuff...
[08:33] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: idk how to BIND keys in the xorg
[08:33] <jebuskrist> i'll stop drooling now :D
[08:33] <jebuskrist> Darkkish: its been so long i forgot how sorry :(
[08:33] <intelikey> shachaf that didn't seem to attach to anything, so i asked    ?       now i see.
[08:33] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: sorry no, i dont own one bluetooth device
[08:34] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: i do asof 4 hrs ago lol
[08:34] <ardchoille> jordo23: I have never had x freeze on me. But, then again, I do't use anything outside the official repos.
[08:34] <jebuskrist> lol..
[08:34] <jordo23> ardchoille: Ya...I see....I try new stuff a lot...
[08:34] <ardchoille> jordo23: Perhaps "you're" the reason x is freezing? Just my opinion, though.
[08:35] <shachaf> intelikey: I know of at least one previous tty/framebuffer user who switched to X+xmonad
[08:35] <pagan0ne> hes not running beryl is he? lol
[08:35] <jebuskrist> beryl was stable for me :D
[08:35] <jebuskrist> so was automatix
[08:35] <jebuskrist> THEN i decided i HAD to have 64bit kubuntu..
[08:35] <ardchoille> !automatix
[08:35] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:35] <jebuskrist> and i blew everything to hell and back
[08:36] <pagan0ne> automatix workes great for me, but i get alot of artifacts left onscreen from right click menus
[08:36] <pagan0ne> in beryl
[08:36] <intelikey> shachaf i may qualify as a "non-conformist"   don't really know...     i don't use partitions on my hd's    don't use a gui,  write my own  sysvinit system...    use linux exclusively and don't like vim or emacs....     the list is long actually....
[08:36] <jebuskrist> odd
[08:36] <jebuskrist> intelikey: you scare me :P
[08:36] <intelikey> lol
[08:36] <shachaf> intelikey: What do you mean, no partitions?
[08:37] <shachaf> intelikey: You install directly to /dev/hda (or sda)?
[08:37] <intelikey> what part of "no partitions"   do you not understand ?
[08:37] <intelikey> shachaf yes
[08:37] <shachaf> intelikey: Why?
[08:37] <intelikey> why not   :)
[08:37] <ardchoille> lol
[08:38] <jebuskrist> hes scary :P
[08:38] <ardchoille> intelikey: I like the way you think
[08:38] <shachaf> intelikey: And why your own sysvinit system?
[08:38] <jebuskrist> i'd kill someone to be able to run osx on my box natively legally :D
[08:38] <pagan0ne> i bet intelikey also doesnt beleave in backups....
[08:38] <shachaf> intelikey: I mean, no partitions I could understand, sort of.
[08:39] <jebuskrist> whats a backup?
[08:39] <intelikey> shachaf i got tired of rewriting all the sysv scripts...
[08:39] <shachaf> intelikey: But that's a lot more work.
[08:39] <ardchoille> shachaf: Perhaps intelikey has learned enough to have total control over the entire system.
[08:39] <jebuskrist> hes just that hardcore i guess
[08:39] <intelikey> but it's a one off   not an every update/install thing.
[08:39] <jebuskrist> that deserves a level of respect all its own
[08:39] <pagan0ne> ardchoille: intelikey is PART of the system
[08:39] <ardchoille> shachaf: A lot of work? pfft, that's what scripts are for.
[08:39] <pagan0ne> its developed its own consioncesness
[08:40] <ardchoille> lol
[08:40] <jebuskrist> lol
[08:40] <intelikey> pagan0ne i do run as init some times...
[08:40] <pagan0ne> rofl
[08:40] <jebuskrist> thats possible?
[08:40] <intelikey> yes
[08:40] <jebuskrist> i hope you dont take offense to this but, you sir are insane in a good sort of way :D
[08:40] <shachaf> intelikey: I noticed your /quit message, by the way. Are you from .il?
[08:41] <intelikey> in fact i can login as  any account that has a shell   sys bin disk  you name it.
[08:41] <shachaf> intelikey: I noticed you were running IRC as root, also.
[08:41] <intelikey> shachaf from.   no    they call me a "half breed"
[08:41] <intelikey> shachaf no  not root.   :)
[08:41] <intelikey> look again.
[08:41] <pagan0ne> as init
[08:41] <jebuskrist> shachaf: i dont think i'd mess with intelikey anyway lol
[08:41] <elementrus86> hey
[08:42] <intelikey> did i mention that the whole system is  "nosuid,nosgid"
[08:42] <jebuskrist> he can probably remote into your box and cause your cd-rom tray to eject so violently as to shoot out of its casing and then collide with your forehead causing a horrible concussion
[08:42] <shachaf> intelikey: Your ircname is root.
[08:42] <intelikey> shachaf yes it is.
[08:43] <intelikey> but i'm not root.  just trust me.
[08:43] <elementrus86> my ipod only shows up on my system if i boot with it plugged in
[08:43] <jebuskrist> intelikey: you didnt happen to hand solder all your components did you?
[08:43] <Sebboh> Question: how can limit the number of concurrent connections to the same server in the kio FTP thing?  (The server doesn't accept more than one connection, so I get failures when I try to edit a document with kate, etc.) I'm using KDE 3.5.7.
[08:43] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: i didnt know software could solder....
[08:43] <intelikey> jebuskrist not all.
[08:43] <jebuskrist> lol :)
[08:44] <intelikey> jebuskrist i do have 8 drives in this box
[08:44] <elementrus86> anyone know what the problem could be
[08:44] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: hes THAT powerful
[08:44] <elementrus86> my ipod only shows up on my system if i boot with it plugged in
[08:44] <maelcum> Sebboh: probably not at all...
[08:44] <elementrus86> had same prob in fedora too
[08:44] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: not exactly but im guessing its a mounting issue something having to do with fstab/mtab but im a noob so thats as much as i can help
[08:45] <jebuskrist> intelikey: whats your processing power?
[08:45] <intelikey> shachaf also all accounts are locked on this box    so i login without a passwd    lol
[08:45] <intelikey> jebuskrist low low low    this one is amd 350  i also run a p1 100 a lot.
[08:45] <jebuskrist> dont do alot of compiling?
[08:46] <intelikey> no.  built a few kernels that's about all    well and wine and a few other things.
[08:46] <jebuskrist> cool
[08:46] <jebuskrist> what do you think about the pentium pro? think it would make a decent *nix box?
[08:47] <intelikey> sure
[08:47] <intelikey> maelcum yep.
[08:47] <jebuskrist> its a ppro 200mhz 128mb ram and 1mb cache onboard the processor
[08:47] <jebuskrist> im going to assume that a gui is just about out of the question
[08:48] <pagan0ne> gah intelikey must be in my system, a power wire going to my fan just broke loose of its zip tie, and started "buzzing" upaganst another fan!
[08:49] <pagan0ne> jebuskrist: not really, fluxbox or some other lightweight wm wouldnt be TOO bad
[08:50] <jebuskrist> pagan0ne: yeah i left the command line days behind long ago i just dont have the patience anymore
[08:50] <intelikey> pagan0ne lol
[08:50] <Rictoo> "configure: error: SDL_mixer required"
[08:50] <Rictoo> I've tried everything :(
[08:50] <intelikey> shachaf firewalled in ?
[08:50] <intelikey> ah nm.
[08:51] <intelikey> that's set to start in runlevel 9  :)
[08:51] <pagan0ne> am i doing sompthing wrong or is it normal for a 2GHz system running commandline only to take sevral HOURS to bzip a 600Mb file?
[08:52] <jebuskrist> that doesnt sound right
[08:52] <shachaf> pagan0ne: Are you running with -9?
[08:52] <pagan0ne> well i havent really done much bzipping lately, but no it doesnt
[08:53] <shachaf> intelikey: There's something wrong with your clock.
[08:53] <pagan0ne> shachaf: no just tar -jcf file file
[08:53] <intelikey> i don't think   ???
[08:53] <shachaf> intelikey: The timestamps are 1941.
[08:53] <intelikey> oh the year /timestamp  lol   that's intentional
[08:54] <pagan0ne> exit
[08:54] <shachaf> intelikey: Why?
[08:54] <pagan0ne> err, wrong keyboard
[08:54] <intelikey> now murat does seem to be ircing as root
[08:54] <murat> right
[08:54] <intelikey> shachaf if it's messed with,  most people don't reset timestamps.
[08:55] <pagan0ne> anyone here setup a bluetooth usb dongle yet?
[08:55] <Sebboh> Where is the KDE version of the "registry"?
[08:55] <jebuskrist> im gonna head out for the night
[08:55] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh, that makes sense.
[08:55] <pagan0ne> Sebboh: there isnt one really
[08:55] <jebuskrist> thanks for the help all i'll likely be back
[08:56] <Sebboh> Where can I modify internal settings of KDE?  I need to change how KIO uses FTP...
[08:57] <pagan0ne> Sebboh: thats beyond my expirence, but im sure its in some .conf file somewhere
[08:57] <intelikey> shachaf yes  it always is.       unless speciffically set it's a "do nothing"
[08:58] <shachaf> intelikey: Oh, but you can, e.g., alias it to "eval"?
[08:58] <intelikey> shachaf you can set it yes
[09:02] <kraut> moin
[09:04] <premier_> Hi, ubuntu is mounting my windows partition as read only
[09:04] <premier_> its really getting annoying... how do I fix it
[09:05] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g | premier_
[09:05] <ubotu> premier_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:05] <premier_> intelikey: yes, I have that installed
[09:05] <premier_> I have it all installed
[09:05] <intelikey> premier_ also note if it's permissions you need a mask.
[09:05] <premier_> intelikey: mask?
[09:06] <intelikey> umask=000
[09:06] <intelikey> dmask=000,famsk=111
[09:06] <premier_> I can't get permisions to write even as root
[09:06] <intelikey> no there's not permissions bit on the fs.   you have to use a mask.   man mount.
[09:07] <intelikey> short example: sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/hda1        (assuming hda1,  set that accordingly.)
[09:08] <premier_> > /dev/sda2 /media/sda2 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[09:08] <intelikey> premier_ yes that should be ro  it's set   "ro"    duh
[09:09] <premier_> intelikey:
[09:09] <intelikey> it's also not using ntfs-3g  i think.
[09:09] <premier_> intelikey: I don't know how fstab is formatted
[09:09] <premier_> oh, so what should the line be?
[09:09] <intelikey> premier_ see the    ro,user     the   ro,  means mount it read only
[09:10] <intelikey> that's for safty so you don't break windows and loose your files,   again please see the link from ubotu
[09:10] <intelikey> !ntfs
[09:10] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:10] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[09:10] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:10] <intelikey> !fuse
[09:10] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:11] <shachaf> intelikey: Is there any REAL excuse for my computer to take >60 seconds from power on to login?
[09:12] <intelikey> shachaf no.
[09:12] <shachaf> intelikey: I didn't think so. :-)
[09:12] <shachaf> intelikey: How long does it take you to boot up?
[09:12] <intelikey> even with the 15000 ms timeout for scsi reset i post in about 25 seconds.
[09:13] <intelikey> add about 7 for X if you login there
[09:14] <intelikey> if you have a network issue that it requires xx time for config  then that may delay boot time.
[09:14] <shachaf> intelikey: I use a wireless network normally.
[09:15] <shachaf> intelikey: Which is annoying -- it's one of the things that seem to work mainly in the GUI.
[09:15] <shachaf> intelikey: But it's post-login, anyway.
[09:15] <shachaf> intelikey: Maybe I'll start with a clean slate sometime.
[09:15] <intelikey> shachaf you probably haven't optimized your kernel (initramfs.img) ?
[09:16] <shachaf> intelikey: No. I thought those days were long behind me. :-)
[09:16] <premier_> intelikey: okay, so i ran the script mentioned on the page and it still doesn't mount
[09:17] <shachaf> intelikey: I've been considering switching away from Ubuntu to something else.
[09:17] <intelikey> shachaf using a generic initramfs.img  it loads lots of modules you don't use.  thus if you   lsmod and use that for a list then set initramfs to use only the list   it saves boot seconds.
[09:17] <shachaf> intelikey: That might be a good idea.
[09:18] <shachaf> Has anyone here used NixOS?
[09:18] <intelikey> premier_ what does your fstab say now ?
[09:18] <shachaf> I guess this is the wrong channel to ask.
[09:18] <premier_> > /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[09:18] <intelikey> ok now add the masks back.
[09:19] <epimeth> this insomnia is gonna kill me... and I'm blaming you guys for giving me something to do when I should be asleep
[09:19] <intelikey> premier_ what you had for masks should be good   fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[09:20] <intelikey> add that with the defaults you have now.
[09:20] <we3za> hi mate
[09:20] <we3za> would anyone help me with my installation problem please
[09:20] <intelikey> epimeth go to bed and shut up.
[09:21] <we3za> the system told me that i havn't create root system directory
[09:21] <intelikey> don't blame me with your insomnia now   :)    i tried.
[09:21] <intelikey> we3za eeeek   can't mount /
[09:21] <dregorth> epimeth: insomnia sucks doesn't it? :)
[09:22] <intelikey> shachaf oh and i don't use swap and users don't live in /home  and root don't live in /root   hehhe  just to round off the list of non-conformities
[09:23] <premier_> intelikey: can you help me deal with a related annoyance?  I'm only getting 10-20 MB/s or less on a usb port, and the transfer takes up 100% cpu
[09:23] <intelikey> we3za from the live CD you can rebuild the initramfs.img and it "might"  boot.
[09:24] <shachaf> intelikey: And you run (k?)ubuntu? Why?
[09:24] <intelikey> premier_ probably can't.  usb is another weekness of mine.
[09:24] <intelikey> shachaf well actually,  don't tell anyone but kde isn't installed either.
[09:25] <dregorth> i didn't see that ;P
[09:25] <intelikey> shachaf can you help premier_ with USB issue ?
[09:25] <Sephnroth> hi, what are the other kernals on the ubuntu alt install cd?  trying to install kubuntu on my new laptop.  duringbase install it fails.  i went into a shell to look at syslog and it failed to fetch a file from the cd (bad cd?) and the installer says failed to install linux-generic.  but when i continue it provides what appears tobe alternitives i could chose
[09:25] <Sephnroth> like linux-generic with a version number, but doesnt say what they are?
[09:26] <shachaf> intelikey: Why don't you run something nicer like Plan 9, given your minimal usage of software? :-)
[09:26] <premier_> Sephnroth: why not reburn the cd, or check the m5sum?
[09:26] <epimeth> intelikey: whadaya mean go to bed??? I just got to *work*
[09:26] <intelikey> generic would x86 with smp support Sephnroth
[09:27] <epimeth> when I said hello 5 hours ago is when I should have been in bed :-)
[09:27] <hasan> hi guys
[09:27] <hasan> i ve got a question
[09:27] <intelikey> epimeth just trying to help with the sleep issue...     or actually prevent you from accusing me of keeping you up.
[09:27] <hasan> im trying to install my webcam over kubuntu but without success
[09:27] <hasan> can anybody help me?
[09:27] <Sephnroth> problem is i have a really really really naff collection of cds and no way to get more atm so its pot luck if they work - was hoping i could get away with picking a different kernal but nvm :(
[09:27] <hasan> olivetti 350 K is my webcam
[09:28] <intelikey> !webcam | hasan maybe this will help
[09:28] <ubotu> hasan maybe this will help: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:28] <Sephnroth> its a intel centrino 2duo lappy so i could use my better 64bit/amd install cd which i trust, but i had problems with 64bit lately
[09:28] <intelikey> Sephnroth the generic should work well on that.
[09:29] <Sephnroth> though thinking about it i think all my destop issues with 64bit were all xineorama related.. not really an issue on a 1 screen lappy >>;
[09:29] <intelikey> there ya go.
[09:30] <intelikey> "1 screen"   heh    "single faced"
[09:31] <Sephnroth> oh great, now after aborting theinstallation and rebooting lappy "error loading operating system" goodbye my xp install, ty kubuntu alt cd :(
[09:31] <hasan> anybody has any idea where i can find drivers
[09:31] <Sephnroth> dunno how it managed that, new one on me XD
[09:31] <hasan> This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.20-16-server)
[09:31] <hasan> can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
[09:31] <hasan> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[09:31] <hasan> no video grabber device available
[09:31] <hasan> probably i dont install webcam right
[09:31] <hasan> ?
[09:32] <secret> can someone please help me too connect too the home modern via a wifi (cisco) built into my laptop?
[09:32] <intelikey> hasan needs a module inserted i think
[09:33] <secret> I want to my home network? anyone?
[09:33] <secret> connect
[09:34] <Sephnroth> how much hastle is it to install just grub from an install cd (alt install cd)?  cuz i could install kubuntu first  and xp after, xp overwrites the mbr killing grub which is why i always do xp first
[09:34] <intelikey> secret windows network ?
[09:34] <intelikey> !samba
[09:34] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:34] <Sephnroth> but if i can restore grub easy enough then i'll do kubuntu now meaning i wont have to wait for an xp cd off my mate again
[09:34] <secret> no, this is kubuntu
[09:34] <secret> intelikey
[09:34] <intelikey> !grub | Sephnroth
[09:34] <ubotu> Sephnroth: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:35] <Sephnroth> ty
[09:35] <intelikey> secret your home network is a linux network ?
[09:35] <secret> the moderm is harwired too my PC which has ubuntu on it, and I have an IBM laptop with kubuntu which id like too connect via wifi built in
[09:36] <secret> I have a cable internet wifi moderm
[09:36] <faidillinger> can someone please tell me which driver is the best for an ati 9250: FGLRX, ATI or RADEON ???
[09:37] <secret> I also have a computer in the study room connected too the network which has windows on it
[09:37] <secret> help please
[09:37] <sercik> i have changed wallpaper but it appears only after kde load is complete!
[09:37] <sercik> secret: you need to install samba e sambaclient
[09:37] <secret> woah, how do i do that?
[09:38] <secret> so sudo apt-get install samba e sambaclient?
[09:38] <sercik> i don't rememeber if name is sambalient
[09:38] <sercik> lauche synaptic and search for samba
[09:39] <secret> it's aironet cisco wifi card built into my laptop
[09:39] <secret> IBM T40 thinkpad
[09:39] <secret> ok
[09:39] <sercik> you want to to a lan between windows and linux right?
[09:40] <intelikey> apt-cache search samba
[09:40] <secret> no, i have a pc with ubuntu which is hardwired too the moderm and I want too connect my laptop, with kubuntu, too the network
[09:40] <secret> via wifi
[09:40] <sercik> so ypu want to trasform your pc in a gateway!
[09:40] <secret> I just want to connect mmy laptop to the network
[09:41] <secret> i want internet via ifi
[09:41] <sercik> secret: you are too simplicistic
[09:41] <secret> wifi
[09:41] <yknott> faidillinger: any
[09:41] <sercik> where is the wifi?? installed on the pc connected via cable?
[09:41] <yknott> faidillinger: ati/radeon if you want ubuntu community supported, fglrx if you want proprietory 3d accel
[09:41] <secret> No, the wifi card is in my laptop
[09:41] <sercik> you have a modem/router or a modem?
[09:41] <secret> wifi moderm
[09:42] <secret> modem
[09:42] <sercik> and to what the wifi card connect... to the air??
[09:42] <sercik> your modem have wifi?
[09:42] <epimeth> intelikey: yea, well... if I were a girl you wouldn't be saying that ;-)
[09:42] <secret> yes
[09:42] <sercik> FIRST: so is not a modem but a router!
[09:42] <sercik> wired and wireless!
[09:43] <sercik> is not important that there are already one pc wired connected!
[09:43] <secret> eh, the cable comes out off the wall and plugs into the wifi router, moderm whatever it is friend
[09:43] <secret> idk
[09:43] <secret> routor moderm
[09:43] <yknott> faidillinger: you can use the "ati" driver in xorg.conf, it will pick radeon for your device if need be
[09:43] <sercik> your wifi card is recognized in linux laptop?
[09:43] <intelikey> epimeth how do you know?    i might be to old to be a dirty old man
[09:44] <secret> yes I see the symbol light on the laptop
[09:44] <secret> how do i check?
[09:44] <sercik> open a konsole and type ifconfig
[09:44] <secret> ok
[09:44] <sercik> and see if thereis wlan0 or something
[09:44] <faidillinger> yknott: does it means i dont have to indicate radeon in my xorg.conf ??
[09:44] <yknott> may be easier to type iwconfig?
[09:44] <yknott> faidillinger: no, you can use "ati"
[09:44] <faidillinger> yknott: thank you
[09:45] <intelikey> shachaf you want to test a script for me ?    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37115    make sure it works with your system
[09:45] <secret> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:09:6B:93:42:1F
[09:45] <secret>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:45] <secret>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:45] <secret>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:45] <secret>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[09:45] <secret> sorry
[09:45] <sercik> yknott: i dont't know that command but you are right!!
[09:45] <secret> sorry
[09:45] <faidillinger> Has any of you guys tried compiz ? is it worth it ?
[09:45] <sercik> tipe iwconfig!
[09:45] <yknott> faidillinger: worth what?
[09:45] <faidillinger> yknott: worth the try ?
[09:46] <yknott> faidillinger: :) yes but you want to try what? what willl you be looking to get out of it?
[09:46] <secret> what am I looking at though?
[09:46] <sercik> thanks to yknott: type iwconfig
[09:46] <secret> <-- new too linux
[09:46] <Sephnroth> will i get a noticiable performance increase for using 64bit ver of kubuntu on a core2duo oris it just not worth the fuss?
[09:46] <sercik> secret simpy type iwconfig and then press enter
[09:46] <yknott> secret: with iwconfig   you will either see eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 or some other showing details like you just pasted (well ones that relate to wireless properties, like AP, rate, so on)
[09:47] <faidillinger> yknott: well, actually, it is said to free some cpu use, and make the gpu work more . im looking forward to free the cpu/gpu use balance
[09:47] <secret> yeah i see them
[09:47] <yknott> secret: otherwise you will see only several lines displaying "no wireless extensions"
[09:47] <secret> wifi0
[09:47] <secret> and then lots of info
[09:47] <yknott> faidillinger: i have not had it working on mine yet but just as well go for it, if you are up for it,
[09:47] <sercik> you can go under system setting and search for network and you can configure
[09:48] <secret> ok let me look
[09:48] <faidillinger> yknott: yep. think i will give it a try
[09:48] <mikkael> is it possible to see what exactly is the swap used for at the moment ?
[09:48] <intelikey> Sephnroth probably not worth the fuss on a lappy   but if you are any good at helping developers   you could run it for that reason...
[09:48] <yknott> mikkael: what do you mean? to see which drive partition it is?
[09:48] <yknott> mikkael: or how much of the swap is being used?
[09:49] <mikkael> i was running kubuntu without swap flawlessly, now i enabled it again, and there are sitting 33 mb in my swap, im curious what that is
[09:49] <Sephnroth> i'd quite like a stable dev platform XD  half my reason for lappy  is so that when its a nice day but im being forced to work that i can at least do it in my garden :)  thats the reason for the small XP partition too, some of my work requires real windows testing
[09:49] <mikkael> what the content of the swap is? like which allpication is using it, and for what
[09:49] <Sephnroth> i'll go 32bit, simply cuz i have the 32bit image downloaded
[09:49] <secret> I've tried this before and had difficulties connecting
[09:49] <Sephnroth> and theonly 64bit cd i have is edgy
[09:49] <secret> I entered wep keys and everything
[09:49] <Sephnroth> i'd rather go streight to fiesty
[09:49] <sercik> edgy is the best kubunty version!
[09:50] <Sephnroth> whats wrong with fiesty?
[09:50] <mikkael> sercik: why not feisty ?
[09:50] <sercik> i stay better with edgy!
[09:50] <mikkael> im running kde 3.5.7 on feisty and its the best linux experience ive ever had
[09:50] <secret> hexidecimal keytype?
[09:50] <yknott> secret: were you able to disable wep first, connect, verify that you could, then attempt with wep?
[09:50] <yknott> mikkael: i do not know how to do that
[09:51] <mikkael> yknott: no prob
[09:51] <sercik> for me edgy works better! i experimented problems with feisty
[09:51] <yknott> experienced
[09:51] <yknott> sercik: such as?
[09:51] <sercik> for example beryl don't work
[09:51] <secret> when i first installed kubuntu i disabled the wifi and hard wired
[09:51] <secret> i cant remember where i disabled it
[09:51] <sercik> for example driver installed from envy don't work
[09:52] <secret> are the drivers pre installed for aironet cisco wifi cards
[09:52] <sercik> for example in synaptic i didn't see check boxes!
[09:52] <sercik> edgy is more stable! and there are fex differences with feist
[09:52] <yknott> gotcha, well sticking with what works ;)
[09:53] <sercik> nvidia-glx deoends from kernel 386 and not generic
[09:53] <secret> ill be back people, i appreciate the help by the way serkit and yknott
[09:53] <mikkael> thats your experience, for me feisty is faster
[09:53] <mikkael> and same stability
[09:54] <sercik> mikkael: feisty what have more than edgy!
[09:54] <sercik> ?
[09:54] <nodesert_> i still have  old kernels in my system how can i remove them
[09:54] <epimeth> intelikey: say it aint so! now I have nothing to look forward to in my old age :-(
[09:54] <mikkael> i especially realized it after my girlfriend did a upgrade from ubuntu edgy to feisty (she did it alone :) ) on a very slow comp
[09:55] <dregorth> kudos to her
[09:55] <dregorth> :)
[09:55] <sercik> mikkael: i think tha feisty could be better but sure not faster
[09:55] <mikkael> sercik: in general you will have new versions of the most packages, that means a lot of bug fixes, most improvements are "under the hood" you will not see them
[09:55] <sercik> ok!
[09:55] <mikkael> well @ my girlfriends computer its faster (pentium III with 512 mb ram)
[09:56] <sercik> your girlfriens is lucky!
[09:56] <mikkael> i dont think its luck: upgrades often bring better speed
[09:57] <sercik> vista is not faster than xp that is not faster than win2000
[09:57] <dregorth> not when it comes to windows for the most part ;P
[09:57] <mikkael> thats windoze, dont compare that
[09:57] <mikkael> xp boots faster than 2k (was my experience at least)
[09:57] <yknott> mikkael's assertion could still be correct; perhaps win2000-> xp is not an upgrade
[09:58] <yknott> some of the computer work i have done lately has been for customers with windows 2000 and i have been surprised at how responsive it seems (when compared to xp, for example)
[09:59] <yknott> perhaps it is a hm side?grade or downgrade ;)
[09:59] <mikkael> i dont think releases like dapper, edgy, feisty are comparable to 98, 2000, xp, vista
[09:59] <dregorth> true
[10:00] <yknott> the upgrade in there was from the 9x kernel to the nt kernel; that about covers it ;)
[10:00] <mikkael> its a half-year cycle, compared to a several years one, and on a side note, MS forces users to buy up2date hardware
[10:01] <yknott> mikkael: yeah it is sad; anyone who asks me these days for comp advice, i have to tell them that for the most part anything they see in the store will be fast enough - most of the time the comp will be waiting on the user, spend more for more ram and a bigger screen, and less on the fastest processor... o and that the slowest thing in the computer will probably be windows
[10:02] <sercik> mikkael: i run win2k under virtualbox in linux and is faster than winxo installed on my hd :)
[10:02] <yknott> even on systems with 2GB RAM, windows XP still likes to use 770 MB swap before even touching 1GB of that RAM
[10:02] <sercik> this is linux influence!
[10:02] <mikkael> someone wrote in a blog: it took 6 seconds to trash a 23 kb file @ vista
[10:02] <yknott> sercik: i have noticed that too and i think it has to do in large part with the better disk caching of linux than nt
[10:03] <dregorth> mikkael: heh i read that earlier tonight
[10:03] <mikkael> allright, i got to prepare myself for university, see you later guys
[10:04] <intelikey> anyone else care to test   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37117   for me.   needs tested on a 2.6 and 2.2 kernels if anyone is running such
[10:06] <sercik> why don't you test yourself?
[10:06] <Sephnroth> is it a silly idea to have one big 54gig root and a 2.4gig swap?   or should i make like a 10gig root and a 40gig home?
[10:07] <sercik> 40 gig home seems too big
[10:07] <intelikey> sercik have.  now why don't you ?
[10:07] <Tm_T> depends
[10:07] <yknott> Sephnroth: i think it is easier to make one swap and one big ext3 partition for the masses, than divide the space more appropriately
[10:07] <sercik> do you need that i try?
[10:08] <Sephnroth> if ij ust have a big / partition then home willb e stored on root yes?
[10:08] <sercik> Sephnroth: sure
[10:08] <sercik> '/home is under /
[10:08] <yknott> if the comp has only one disk < 10GB, i leave that setting; otherwise at least one swap, one home, one root
[10:08] <Sephnroth> sounds fine to me
[10:08] <Sephnroth> why does home need tobe seperate?  i can understand swap
[10:08] <Sephnroth> i always have a seperate swap
[10:08] <Sephnroth> but what does seperating home do for you?
[10:09] <arunkale> I need to tell a friend how to install nvidia drivers on his computer.. he's using feisty fawn. where is the 'restricted devices' thing located in Kubuntu?
[10:09] <yknott> Sephnroth: having separate /home and / makes it much easier to merely format / to install a new os
[10:09] <Sephnroth> ahh pants tothat :0
[10:09] <Sephnroth> :)
[10:09] <grul> and it makes / less fragmented
[10:09] <yknott> not that you will need to do it so often but
[10:09] <grul> faster! harder!
[10:10] <sercik> the script give errors
[10:10] <yknott> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37118
[10:12] <arunkale> yknott: how do you do it then
[10:13] <yknott> arunkale: adept manager
[10:13] <arunkale> where in adept manager?>
[10:13] <yknott> kmenu/system ?
[10:13] <yknott> command adept_manager
[10:15] <yknott> arunkale: any luck?
[10:15] <arunkale> will try, thanks
[10:16] <arunkale> :)
[10:16] <AnyKey> How can I make the mount command so its up and mounted on the booting of the system?
[10:16] <sercik> AnyKey: add a line to /etc/fstab
[10:16] <AnyKey> sweet.. thanks. :)
[10:18] <Chani> aha, the topic answered my quuestion :)
[10:18] <yknott> thanks for saying hi nonetheless
[10:22] <brendonjt> hi there all how do i get the update notifer to run under my user (i was the first user created)
[10:25] <nodesert_> is anyone know how can i remove old kernels from my system
[10:26] <yknott> nodesert_: you can remove the packages to those old kernels
[10:26] <Jucato> nodesert_: just remove it like a regular package/program. from Adept Manager or apt-get
[10:28] <nodesert_> thanks
[10:29] <claret> hello??
[10:29] <l0phtaax> ...
[10:29] <ardchoille> Hi claret
[10:30] <claret> hello
[10:32] <claret> gtg
[10:35] <^RiaN^> hiii everyone
[10:37] <^RiaN^> can someone helpme
[10:38] <arun> um.. my friend does not see the 'ubuntu restricted extras' in the add/remove section
[10:38] <arun> he's running feisty fawn
[10:39] <arun> what could be the reason?
[10:39] <Lynoure> arun: no commercial repo line in sources.list
[10:39] <Lynoure> arun: if you have feisty too, copy it from your own?
[10:41] <arun> Lynoure: alright, thanks
[10:41] <arun> Lynoure: you mean proprietary drivers
[10:42] <giuseppe> guys is there someone that can help me to install oxygen icons or give me a package please? I've just downloaded the svn version but there are not lots of icons like rubbish. help please?
[10:42] <Chani> ok, https://wiki.kubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems is kinda useless
[10:42] <Chani> there *can't* be no problems
[10:42] <^RiaN^> when i install my new hardware, kubuntu don't want to start
[10:42] <^RiaN^> what should i do
[10:42] <Chani> whta hardware?
[10:43] <^RiaN^> vga driver
[10:43] <Chani> drivers are not hardware
[10:43] <^RiaN^> upss
[10:43] <^RiaN^> vga hardware i mean
[10:44] <Jucato> giuseppe: the latest versions of the oxygen icons cannot be used on KDE 3.5.x
[10:45] <AnyKey> Howdy... okay, I dont think I had any luck with the command "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /etc/fstab /media/backup" ... currently looking at the /media there IS a backup but its just a folder that shows a plug comming out of it.  Is there something I am missing in the command?
[10:45] <Chani> ^RiaN^: I have no idea what you mean.
 giuseppe: the latest versions of the oxygen icons cannot be used on KDE 3.5.x   <--- hrmm I got the ones from kde 4 and hey work fine
[10:45] <smile> hi
[10:46] <Jucato> Jezz_X: you probably got the last working version for KDE 3, which has not been updated for a long time. and which are also under a license that doesn't allow redistribution (so you don't see them around)
[10:46] <Chani> anyone here know of a list of problems upgrading from edgy to feisty?
[10:46] <Jezz_X> ahhh OK
[10:47] <smile> is here any spanish ?
[10:47] <ardchoille> !es
[10:47] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:47] <Lynoure> arun: I cannot remember the exact name of the repository, not on my ubuntu now. Canonical Proprietery or something.
[10:47] <ardchoille> !sources
[10:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:47] <Lynoure> !sourcematic
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sourcematic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <Lynoure> !sourceomatic
[10:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:48] <ardchoille> !source-o-matic
[10:48] <Jezz_X> I got them after I installe kde 4 from the kubuntu website instructions :)
[10:48] <Lynoure> arun: try with source-o-matic if you are not sure.
[10:48] <arun> Lynoure: it fixed the problem, he didn't have the proprietary repos enabled
[10:48] <Jezz_X> then removed kde because it was not working :)
[10:48] <Jucato> Jezz_X: yes. and the KDE 4 apps are the ones using those, not the KDE 3 apps
[10:48] <ardchoille> Lynoure: I think that page will give the Canonical repo
[10:48] <nbcb> help
[10:48] <ardchoille> Jucato: KDE4 is out?!?
[10:48] <arun> Lynoure: my friend can't use one of his external hard drives that is ntfs formatted
[10:48] <nbcb> how do u ls with sorted by filesizes
[10:48] <Jucato> kde 4 alpha
[10:49] <ardchoille> Ah
[10:49] <Jezz_X> nah I did a fresh install as well and kept the folder from icons :\  but yeah if you say so
[10:49] <nbcb> my / is filled up 4.4gb !!
[10:49] <AnyKey> Okay... before I try the command again to mount /dev/hdb1 to /media/backup... How do I type it to mount it so its always mounted when Kubuntu starts?
[10:49] <Jezz_X> not here to start fights
[10:50] <Jezz_X> they are nice icons but I like crystal as well
[10:50] <nbcb> my / is filled up... where shd i look into
[10:51] <ardchoille> nbcb: try: ls -S
[10:51] <AnyKey> hummm... any other forum names on this server that can help with mount command?
[10:51] <Jucato> !mount
[10:51] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:51] <Jucato> !fstab
[10:51] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[10:51] <Jucato> AnyKey: ^^^
[10:51] <nbcb> how did my / filled up
[10:51] <arun> my friend can't use one of his external hard drives that is ntfs formatted on his feisty fawn
[10:51] <AnyKey> thank you Jucato. :)
[10:52] <Jucato> nbcb: try "sudo apt-get clean" to clear the downloaded packages that have already been installed
[10:52] <ardchoille> nbcb: You might have a look in /var/log  and  /var/cache/apt
[10:52] <Jucato> AnyKey: you can also try using the disk mounter in System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disks & Filesystems
[10:52] <AnyKey> oh really.  Nice.  thank you again a bunch! :)
[10:53] <Chani> arun: linux drivers for ntfs are very limited. I don't know what approach feisty takess to ntfs
[10:54] <nik0> hello!
[10:54] <Chani> arun: the only real solution for writing files is to reformat as fat32 instead of ntfs
[10:55] <arun> the same friend doesnt get any results when he searches for 'msttcorefonts' in adept
[10:55] <nik0> what can we do with the 'shell'?
[10:55] <nbcb> omg my log is so big
[10:55] <arun> ok he got it now
[10:55] <nbcb> how do i ls directories only?
[10:56] <nik0> someone?
[10:56] <ardchoille> nbcb: ls -d
[10:56] <ardchoille> nbcb: man ls
[10:56] <nik0> erf !
[11:00] <nbcb> when will the syslog and messages be gzipped???
[11:00] <nbcb> is it on a cron job or something?
[11:00] <nbcb> can i manually ask the system to gz all my logs? its like 2gb
[11:01] <nbcb> main culprit is mysql
[11:01] <Chani> I'm really suspicious about the lack of upgrade problems reported
[11:02] <Chani> I mean, I expect things to break a lot on a dist-upgrade. it's kinda weird to think that it might mostly just work
[11:04] <arun> !nvidia
[11:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:06] <intelikey> wrong blood line ?    did not ishroel say that shiloh would decend from juda ?
[11:07] <intelikey> that's what happens if you don't hit the tab key first.... sorry.
[11:09] <ardchoille> nbcb: You might be interested in /etc/logrotate.conf
[11:11] <grul> God is Not Unix
[11:14] <arun> hahahaha
[11:24] <darkbowser> salut
[11:30] <lupul> hi there
[11:30] <lupul> does anone know a good firewall?
[11:30] <lupul> something like guarddog but better
[11:31] <lupul> !firewall
[11:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:35] <jackie> hello all. quick question.
[11:35] <jackie> right now i'm running kubuntu kde, while installing gnome-desktop.
[11:36] <jackie> i was using gnome, and the only problem i was having was that i would be connected wirelessly, but when i closed my laptop, it would hibernate, and when it woke back up, i would not be able to connect to any networks.
[11:37] <jackie> i was using gnome, and the only problem i was having was that i would be connected wirelessly, but when i closed my laptop, it would hibernate, and when it woke back up, i would not be able to connect to any networks.
[11:38] <jackie> by the way, i'm using a dell 1501 laptop, amd turion 64, kubuntu x64 7.04
[11:38] <jackie> if that helps.
[11:44] <me_> hi all
[11:44] <dfeser> hi there! having problems under feisty with samba...smb.conf loses the workgroup= entry each time I reboot...
[11:44] <dfeser> can someone help me?
[11:44] <Chani> lupul: firewalls aren't really that necessary on linux if you're not running any kind of server, imho
[11:44] <me_> please can anyone tell me how to join dalnet ?
[11:45] <me_> any answer ?
[11:45] <intelikey> /server irc.dalnet.net
[11:46] <pag> intelikey, isn't it irc.dal.net  ?
[11:47] <lupul> i know Chani but i was called from my internet provider and told me to reinstall my windows because i have viruses that flood the network
[11:47] <lupul> so i thought that if i have linux...  and i'm flooding the network then i need a firewall
[11:47] <me_> thanks
[11:47] <dfeser> no answer about my samba question?
[11:53] <mike__> lupul: no need for a firewall but one can be installed if needed
[11:54] <Chani> lupul: lol. I wonder what made them think that...
[11:55] <Lynoure> arun: I was gone. Anyway, that is another matter. Did the repository problem get sorted?
[11:55] <Lynoure> oh, went.
[11:55] <dognews> hi, how can I have syntaxhighlight in a textarea in konqueror (browser mode)?
[11:55] <lupul> don't know
[11:55] <mike__> use firefox hehe
[11:56] <lupul> ok so in the end any firewall recommended? not iptables please cause i'm still a newbee
[11:56] <dognews> mike__: is there a plugin for sntaxhighlight?
[12:01] <ardchoille> !firewall | lupul
[12:01] <ubotu> lupul: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:01] <mike__> http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue42/lauke/
[12:02] <mike__> dognews:  ^^^
[12:02] <lupul> i know. i tryed guarddog but doesn't work properly
[12:02] <mike__> lupul: shorewall?
[12:02] <lupul> everytime i restart my cpu i have to configure it again
[12:02] <lupul> thanks
[12:03] <lupul> trying it now
[12:03] <mike__> ok
[12:03] <dognews> mike__: but it doesn't show editable syntax highlight directly in my textarea
[12:04] <mike__> oh
[12:04] <eagles0513875> i just learned something new this am
[12:04] <eagles0513875> this is for everyones info
[12:04] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:05] <eagles0513875> i thought wma losless had really good encoding which it does it ranges from 400 kbps - 1mbps but now i just reencoded all my music from wma losless to flac and flac has even better bit rates ranging from 850kbps - 1mbps
[12:26] <chuen> Hi all. I have a basic question about 'command line syntax'
[12:27] <chuen> If I want to go to a directory I have created whose name has spaces in it, how do I express that without getting an error?
[12:27] <chuen> For example: 'My Music' as a directory name.
[12:28] <jorik808> chuen: you need to "escape" the space, like so: My\ Music
[12:28] <Jucato> chuen: you can either type: cd "My Music"
[12:28] <Chani> chuen: tab completion can do some of that for you too
[12:28] <Jucato> chuen: or type My[Tab]  (press Tab to autocomplete)
[12:29] <chuen> Wow! That was comprehensive. Thanks all.
[12:32] <sercik> please help me: http://pastebin.ca/544194
[12:33] <sercik> api mismatch with xorg i can't start X anymore
[12:44] <epimeth> !marble
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about marble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <epimeth> !info marble
[12:44] <ubotu> marble: generic geographical map widget. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-2 (feisty), package size 153 kB, installed size 456 kB
[12:46] <admin___> hallo
[12:51] <sivaji> !rar
[12:51] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:52] <sivaji>  !info unrar-free
[12:52] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[12:53] <epimeth> am I the only one hopping up and down in his seat waiting for october?
[12:54] <Lynoure> epimeth: What's then?
[12:54] <Jucato> epimeth: yes, you're the only one :P
[12:54] <sercik> please i need help: i can't start X anymore   http://pastebin.ca/544194
[12:54] <Lynoure> Summers are rather nice, no eagerness for autumn yet.
[12:55] <jack-> sercik: tough luck
[12:55] <jack-> which nvidia card?
[12:55] <epimeth> c'mon guys!  gutsy and kde4's release dates totally coincide! october madness!!!
[12:56] <sivaji> sercik try #ubuntu
[12:56] <Jucato> they coincide. but they won't be released under in the same ISO :)
[12:57] <sercik> hi jack!
[12:57] <sercik> i don't know pc is not mine
[12:57] <sercik> i'm helping via chat a friend!
[01:16] <waterox> hi room
[01:16] <jorik808> hi
[01:16] <waterox> seems slow
[01:17] <jorik808> tis true
[01:17] <waterox> Ill try back
[01:17] <waterox> later
[01:41] <hroch> helou
[01:43] <secret> Another process is running the adept package database? please help!! I'm trying to open add and remove programs but I cant??????
[01:43] <secret> no terminals are open
[01:43] <secret> update is not on
[01:44] <secret> i mean, isnt runnn
[01:44] <jukuli> ctrl+esc and see if it's running but not showing on the screen
[01:44] <jukuli> if it is, kill it
[01:44] <secret> woah wtf?
[01:45] <jukuli> :D ctrl+esc opens the task manager thing and there you can see if the adept is running on the background or something
[01:45] <secret> xorg?
[01:45] <secret> ksys gaurd?
[01:45] <jukuli> there you can also close it
[01:45] <secret> only running ^
[01:46] <secret> adept is there
[01:46] <secret> ut not running
[01:46] <secret> but
[01:46] <secret> not
[01:46] <secret> running
[01:46] <secret> :D
[01:46] <secret> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[01:47] <jukuli> if adept is on the list,try selecting it and pressing kill
[01:47] <secret> thats what the message states
[01:47] <secret> ok then
[01:48] <jukuli> i hope it helped, i have to go now..afk
[01:49] <secret> peace friend
[01:52] <Jucato> !adeptfix | secret
[01:53] <ubotu> secret: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[01:53] <secret> thank you, i try this
[01:53] <main2> hmmm, i installed kubuntu 64bit on my system, it worked with the 2.6.15 kernel fine...
[01:53] <main2> after using adept (After the first run) it broke already
[01:53] <main2> the 2.6.20 kernel, just hangs -> half way........
[01:54] <main2> this really sucks / screwed up my day :P
[01:54] <main2> a lost hour..
[01:55] <secret> thanks jucato, that worked!
[02:03] <foo25> Hey guys, any idea why I would get "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" when booting live CD?
[02:04] <DexterF> hi
[02:05] <DexterF> I used to mount NFS shares with submount. is submount not available on 7.04 or is there a better way?
[02:05] <DexterF> !nfs
[02:05] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[02:06] <logixoul> hi. Rosegarden says my kernel timer resolution is too low (250hz). How do I fix this?
[02:08] <foo25> Can I install without having to boot live CD?
[02:08] <foo25> I keep getting protocol errors
[02:09] <foo25> !install
[02:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[02:09] <foo25> !automate
[02:09] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[02:18] <marrk> hda: DMA timeout error
[02:18] <marrk> can anyone help with that?
[02:18] <marrk> hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[02:18] <marrk> i get those error messages on boot
[02:19] <marrk> and it takes really long
[02:20] <Darkrift> damn
[02:20] <Darkrift> didnt think this chan would be this large
[02:24] <DexterF> kubuntu keeps cloning settings from my old slackware installation on another partiton. how does it do that?
[02:24] <largo24> marrk, is that on a notebook?
[02:25] <marrk> largo24: it's on my desktop
[02:25] <marrk> fresh new kubuntu install
[02:29] <largo24> marrk, hmm. this laptop bug has a similar error msg:
[02:29] <largo24> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/12483
[02:30] <marrk> ye largo24, i've found it somewhere more
[02:31] <marrk> but it's all different things i believe
[02:31] <marrk> i'm looking if my IDE controllers are properly configured
[02:31] <marrk> but i'm all new to linux, so it's going really really slow :)
[02:33] <marrk> hmmm
[02:33] <marrk> looks different to me tbh
[02:35] <marrk> but ye, my computer hangs like 4 or 5 times on boot with a hda timeout
[02:35] <marrk> 30 seconds per timeout
[02:35] <marrk> so that's already 2 minutes doing nothing on boot
[02:35] <Dr_willis> thayt is odd.
[02:35] <marrk> i thought it was ye
[02:35] <Dr_willis> laptop machine?
[02:35] <marrk> nopz
[02:36] <marrk> pretty old amd system
[02:36] <marrk> asrock k7vm2, athlon 2000+ and 2 pretty old 40 gig HD's
[02:36] <marrk> maybe one of the HD's is broken, i don't know
[02:36] <marrk> but everything works
[02:36] <marrk> except for the timeouts on boot
[02:37] <faidillinger> has anyone got any idea on how to make compiz start along with kde at boot ??
[02:37] <marrk> hmmm
[02:37] <marrk> hang isn't the proper word
[02:37] <marrk> freeze is tho
[02:38] <DexterF> faidillinger: point konq to ~/.kde/Autostart and drag the icon from K-Menu, say "symlink"
[02:38] <largo24> marrk, are the hdds set master/slave correctly? can you disconnect one of them?
[02:38] <marrk> i'll disconnect the slave ye
[02:38] <marrk> bbiab then
[02:40] <faidillinger> DexterF: Thank you very much
[02:40] <faidillinger> DexterF: i guess thats the equivalent for the startup menu in windows
[02:41] <DexterF> faidillinger: sort of
[02:46] <marrk> largo24: same thing
[02:46] <marrk> [   21.919574]   hda:<4>hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[02:46] <marrk> [   51.875495]  hda: DMA timeout error
[02:46] <marrk> [   51.875505]  hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[02:46] <marrk> [   51.875511]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[02:46] <pedr1> Hi!
[02:46] <pedr1> how are you?
[02:46] <pedr1> Recently I had a little problem with nvidia
[02:47] <pedr1> I installed the driver from the official page and the X starts without problems
[02:47] <DexterF> marrk: that happen to be an IBM DTLA disk?
[02:47] <pedr1> but when I reboot X doesn't start, I don't know why
[02:47] <pedr1> I use Kubuntu feisty
[02:47] <marrk> DexterF: Maxtor drive
[02:48] <DexterF> marrk: even worse. DiamondMax 9 series?
[02:48] <marrk> could be
[02:48] <DexterF> emitting strange noise on spinup?
[02:48] <marrk> only know the type number
[02:48] <marrk> haven't noticed them
[02:48] <marrk> so i think no
[02:48] <DexterF> 40wire or 80wire ribbon cable? rounded? longer than 45cm?
[02:48] <marrk> 80 wire
[02:48] <marrk> no longer than 45
[02:49] <marrk> first plug (?)
[02:49] <DexterF> another device on the ribbon?
[02:49] <marrk> ye
[02:49] <marrk> not now tho
[02:49] <marrk> i decoupled my samsung disk
[02:49] <marrk> uncoupled
[02:49] <marrk> whatever...
[02:49] <marrk> it's now all by itself
[02:49] <marrk> but i don't have any other problems i think
[02:50] <marrk> so i think it's not the HD
[02:50] <marrk> but not sure tbh
[02:50] <marrk> any HD diagnosis tools in linux?
[02:50] <DexterF> man hdparm. there's some self test options
[02:50] <DexterF> otoh AsRock is the cheapest sh!t one can get, I wouldn't rule out a faulty board
[02:52] <Dr_willis> messages look to me like a sign of drive going dead.
[02:52] <marrk> hmmm
[02:53] <marrk> maybe it's time for an update then
[02:53] <marrk> upgrade*
[02:53] <Dr_willis> i got a 500gb drive for $120 the other day. :)
[02:53] <faidillinger> what command should i enter in about:config to associate firefox and ktorrent ??
[02:53] <faidillinger> or how can i make firefox open a torrent with ktorent
[02:53] <marrk> this one was free, so i wasn't that picky
[02:53] <marrk> should've been i guess
[02:53] <DexterF> faidillinger: i think there even is an FF extension for that. google.
[02:54] <faidillinger> DexterF: thx , i'll google a little bit
[02:54] <Dr_willis> I thouhg i just told firefox to open torrent files with ktorrent and that was it..
[02:55] <Dr_willis> but i normally save all my.torrent files to a dir. So  not 100% sure on that
[02:56] <largo24> marrk, can you put the 2nd drive (samsung?) as primary and install kubu on that? see if you get same errors
[02:56] <marrk> i'
[02:57] <marrk> ve got a winxp install on it
[02:57] <marrk> with loads of data
[02:57] <Dr_willis> given the age of the drives.. I suggest backing it up also. :)
[02:57] <largo24> ok, nevermind that idea
[02:57] <marrk> nah
[02:57] <marrk> i'll drop by a computer store this afternoon
[02:58] <marrk> buy a proper HD
[02:58] <marrk> but then again
[02:58] <marrk> where the hell can i get a non s-ata HD?
[02:58] <llutz> "no backup" means "data unimportant" means waste of diskspace ;)
[02:58] <marrk> nah, the important data is backed up
[02:58] <Dr_willis> i see ide drives all over the place. :) the sata was on sale this weekend here.
[02:59] <largo24> marrk, newegg. you can get a 40-70 gb for $40 US or less
[02:59] <marrk> i'm dutch ;)
[02:59] <Dr_willis> seen ide drives up to 500gb in size. :) for like $100-120 us.
[02:59] <llutz> marrk: cross the border, here in germany you'll get ide :)
[03:00] <marrk> maybe i'll just wait
[03:00] <marrk> and buy a new system
[03:00] <largo24> marrk, you can also dl seatools and run a diagnostics on that questionable hd
[03:00] <marrk> now that's an idea
[03:00] <largo24> http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/SeaToolsDOS.iso
[03:00] <marrk> how/where
[03:00] <marrk> ?
[03:01] <largo24> burn to cd then boot off cd
[03:01] <marrk> great
[03:01] <marrk> can i easily boot to cd in linux?
[03:01] <marrk> burn cd?
[03:01] <marrk> wth...
[03:02] <marrk> maybe i'm too tired to be trying to work with kubuntu
[03:02] <largo24> kubu comes w/ k3b doesn't it?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> largo24: yep
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> haha.... konversation is awesome...
[03:05] <highlandcairn> how do i use a usb to serial cable to connect to a headless pc
[03:05] <ritalin> robbed a jewlry store and told them make me a grill
[03:05] <marrk> haha
[03:05] <marrk> i'm gonna try it with a diskette
[03:07] <tine> lo #kubuntu
[03:07] <tine> exit #kubuntu
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> I think you need a /...tine
[03:08] <tine> quit
[03:08] <tine> quit #kubuntu
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> its "/quit'
[03:15] <marrk`laptop> thikn i just may have to buy a new system
[03:15] <marrk`laptop> should do that anyways tbh
[03:16] <Dr_willis> given how cheap pc;s are getting.
[03:16] <Dr_willis> Its amazing the stuff ya can get these days for just a few hundred $$
[03:17] <MaTiAz> Heh, Yakuake is pretty cool :)
[03:17] <marrk`laptop> ye true
[03:18] <sito_> hellow!
[03:18] <sito_> anywhere use the programa kdenlive?
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> sito_: what is it?
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> and yes, yakuake is awesome. i don't think i've messed with konsole since installing it.
[03:21] <sito_> this program is same of window media maker
[03:21] <sito_> http://kdenlive.org/index.php
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i haven't tried it, but i think i may have to
[03:23] <sito_> A program similar exists to the window media maker?
[03:24] <sito_> cinelerra is difficult
[03:24] <sito_> i like a program simply
[03:25] <marrk`laptop> whoa
[03:25] <marrk`laptop> drive overtemp largo24...
[03:25] <marrk`laptop> think i found the problem
[03:26] <largo24> marrk, was that with seatools
[03:26] <KomiaPoika> hi
[03:26] <marrk`laptop> ye
[03:26] <KomiaPoika> i screwed up my system trying to dist-upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04, and now my system is stuck: when trying to apt-get -f install, i repeatedly get on the error: package has no field-python version
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> apt-get f install what?
[03:27] <marrk`laptop> ye, let's throw away this disk then
[03:27] <marrk`laptop> or at least, don't run an OS on it ;)
[03:27] <marrk`laptop> or anything else valuable
[03:28] <largo24> marrk, does the drive feel hot to the touch? i would be curious to see if you get that error if you let the hd cool off for a few hours
[03:29] <marrk`laptop> it's powered up now
[03:29] <marrk`laptop> let's not touch it
[03:30] <hollandlucas> good afternoon!
[03:30] <MaTiAz> http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/
[03:30] <hollandlucas> Will Gutsy include KDE4?
[03:30] <MaTiAz> I wonder how good Kubuntu would be on that :) Maybe Xubuntu would be better though
[03:30] <secret> can some please help me out with a problem?
[03:31] <secret> I get this message each time I try and add a program via add and remove: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> hollandlucas: not by default, no
[03:31] <hollandlucas> oh what a shame!
[03:31] <marrk`laptop> largo24, feels warm
[03:31] <marrk`laptop> not hot tho
[03:31] <hollandlucas> Gutsy will be released earlier than KDE 4, right?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> hollandlucas: probabl
[03:32] <hollandlucas> I'm really excited about KDE4
[03:32] <Dr_willis> I dont think kde4 has a firm release date yet.
[03:32] <hollandlucas> October 23
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> its like october 26... and its as firm as any other relase schedule
[03:32] <hollandlucas> that's what it says in the wikipedia article on KDE
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. w/e
[03:32] <secret> lol
[03:33] <secret> can you help me?
[03:33] <secret> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. ?
[03:33] <Balaams_Miracle> And since Gutsy is scheduled for early october, there is no chance that Gutsy will have KDE4
[03:33] <ubuntu__> Hola soy nuevo
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> secret: try starting up adept-manager.
[03:33] <secret> Maybe this was a bad install
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> which gives a bit more detailed info
[03:34] <ubuntu__> alguien habla espaol?
[03:34] <lucky_lucas> does anyone know if it's possible to use both flash and gnash on konqueror/firefox to test, report bug and report working sites
[03:34] <secret> yes ok
[03:34] <secret> it is open
[03:34] <secret> opps adept installer
[03:34] <secret> is open
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> try installing what ever you were going to install with that..
[03:36] <secret> ok, also, do you know where the temporary internet files are with konquer?
[03:36] <secret> no about:cache?
[03:37] <secret> anyone there? dam connection...
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> secret: did that work?
[03:37] <secret> i will try
[03:38] <secret> no
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> I don't use konqueror for filebrowsing, but I would suppose its somewhere in .kde
[03:38] <secret> it gives same message: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> secret: what is the error?
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> what are you trying to install?
[03:38] <secret> firefox
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> secret: apt-get -f install?
[03:38] <secret> anything, ssame message
[03:38] <secret> come on?
[03:38] <secret> what for everything?
[03:39] <secret> ok i try
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> maybe you can't access your mirror.
[03:39] <secret> ok where is that?
[03:39] <secret> you mean the server?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:39] <secret> hmmz
[03:40] <secret> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:40] <secret> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> close adept.
[03:41] <secret> when I try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> and any other package manager.
[03:41] <secret> my bad
[03:44] <secret> ok it installed java
[03:44] <secret> hmmz
[03:44] <secret> what's going on eh?
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> you mean... it worked?
[03:45] <secret> I mean, i can't see firefox
[03:45] <secret> it installed java though
[03:45] <secret> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> can't see firfox where
[03:45] <secret> in internet, k menu
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> oh.... so what happens if you say "sudo apt-get install firefox" does it print an error?
[03:46] <secret> I will try
[03:47] <secret> it seems to be installing
[03:48] <secret> Installed
[03:48] <secret> so what's going on with adept?
[03:48] <secret> thanks btw
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> hmm interesting.
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure... try installing something else.. maybe it just had problems with that package.
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> and thats also why its always good to have a command line around
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:48] <secret> ok then
[03:49] <secret> new too linux:D
[03:50] <secret> all im getting now is the adept manager wont load, it gives me an hour glass and thats it
[03:50] <secret> disapears
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> hmm......
[03:50] <secret> Ill try add and remove
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> ok... I have to go good luck.
[03:51] <secret> ok, well I have a big error now
[03:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:51] <secret> ok then thax again
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> ask BluesKajif you have any problems secret
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> hi BluesKaj BTW.
[03:52] <BluesKaj> hey nosrednaekim
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> and bye...
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:52] <secret> k
[03:52] <BluesKaj> work nosrednaekim ?
[03:52] <secret> blueskaj im having problems with adept
[03:52] <secret> can you help?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: school... i'm in highschool
[03:53] <DexterF> !uuid
[03:53] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:53] <BluesKaj> ok , secret describe your prob
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !apt-get-fix
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-get-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !apt-get fix
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-get fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> !adept fix
[03:53] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:54] <secret> ok now it's working wtf?
[03:54] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, if you are in HS ...yer attitude is quite mature :)
[03:54] <secret> ill assume it fixed itself
[03:54] <sercik> how can i configure konqyeror to open .ram files??
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: thank you!
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> and bye
[03:54] <secret> thanks nos
[03:55] <BluesKaj> ok  cya
[03:55] <BluesKaj> secret, were installing something before it fixed itself ?
[03:56] <eagles0513875> how do i start the jack audio server daemon
[03:57] <secret> no it give me an error mesage each time I tryed too install or remove:
[03:57] <secret> [23:39]  <-- os2mac has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  --> jthomas has joined this channel (n=eljefe@64.122.144.186).
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  --> mallize has joined this channel (n=clemenml@A171118.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu).
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  <secret> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:57] <secret> [23:40]  <secret> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:57] <secret> [23:41]  <nosrednaekim> close adept.
[03:57] <secret> [23:41]  <-- incorrect has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[03:57] <secret> [23:41]  <secret> when I try sudo apt-get -f i
[03:57] <secret> Oh my! zsorry
[03:57] <faidillinger> compiz is off the hook
[03:57] <KomiaPoika> lol
[03:58] <eagles0513875> is secret a bot
[03:58] <secret> no
[03:58] <eagles0513875> lol
[03:58] <KomiaPoika> Rumour has it secret is a bot.
[03:58] <benjamin_hr> :P
[03:58] <secret> excuse me?
[03:58] <secret> I no bot :D
[03:58] <KomiaPoika> secret: What help do you need?
[03:58] <eagles0513875> fyi u might wanna use pastebin.ca secret so that way u dont get kicked for spamming the channel
[03:58] <eagles0513875> anyone know how to start the jack daemon
[03:59] <sercik> how can i configure konqyeror to open .ram files??
[03:59] <secret> I was having problems using adept but it ok now ok?
[03:59] <benjamin_hr> if he "pastebin's" copied chat from here, and post the link, i would be more disappointed if i click on it
[03:59] <secret> thanks guys
[03:59] <BluesKaj> secret, so you did the cmnd 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a' and it was fixed , right ?
[03:59] <secret> I did that yes
[03:59] <secret> no wait
[03:59] <secret> I did this
[04:00] <KomiaPoika> benjamin_hr: lmao
[04:00] <secret> yes i did what it says
[04:00] <BluesKaj> ok fine, just making sure it wasn't a diff prob
[04:00] <secret> and now it's fixed
[04:00] <secret> ty
[04:01] <eagles0513875> blue how do i start the jack daemon
[04:01] <eagles0513875> so i can use jack rack
[04:01] <eagles0513875> what im tryign to say is how do i get the jack server up
[04:01] <benjamin_hr> sounds like a naughty question
[04:02] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, sorry dunno, never had much luck with jack ...to me it's clunky and convoluted
[04:02] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:02] <BluesKaj> alsa
[04:02] <eagles0513875> anyone know how to start the jack server
[04:02] <BluesKaj> man jack in the konsole eagles0513875
[04:02] <ArtMoonik> test ?
[04:02] <ardchoille> Passed
[04:03] <eagles0513875> ok BluesKaj
[04:03] <BluesKaj> there must be a ' how to use jack' page somewhere
[04:04] <benjamin_hr> there must be, there are so many "how to jack" -pages out there
[04:04] <eagles0513875> lol i dunno
[04:06] <highlandcairn> need a little help. how do i use my usb/serial connector to login to a different pc
[04:07] <Dr_willis> highlandcairn,  going serial to serial? ya could use a terminal program and a shell on the serial line. for just a terminal. Or could setup 'slip' but its been Years since ive done either.
[04:07] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, try this:
[04:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8781
[04:08] <eagles0513875> ty blue ill try it
[04:08] <eagles0513875> i hate ati
[04:09] <ardchoille> You're not alone.
[04:09] <highlandcairn> Dr_willis, similiar for me. only thing i've ever used was telnet/ssh
[04:09] <eagles0513875> lol took me ages before i was able to get my open gl to work lol ardchoille
[04:09] <Dr_willis> ive had dumb-serial terminals hooked up befor. :)
[04:09] <Dr_willis> 9600 Baud :)
[04:10] <BluesKaj> here's a hint for searching for linux stuff on google , separates alotta windows crap from a search,  http://www.google.com/linux
[04:11] <highlandcairn> now that's going back a bit :)
[04:12] <zhangkai> After running about 40 hours,My machine begin slowly.
[04:16] <kaizad> hi people
[04:17] <kaizad> this is kaizad & i am new 2 ubuntu ie. linux platform !
[04:17] <kaizad> can someone tell me how do u register for irc ! ! !
[04:17] <kaizad> ?
[04:17] <kaizad> ?
[04:17] <kaizad> plzzzzzz...
[04:17] <Dr_willis> kaizad,  - /msg nickserv help
[04:17] <Dr_willis> kaizad,  and read the bots info and check the freenode website
[04:18] <kaizad> thanx man ! ;)
[04:18] <kaizad> REGISTER
[04:19] <kaizad> REGISTER kaizad
[04:19] <kaizad> ?
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> o merciful god in heaven, why hath thou cursed your servant with this friggin chucklehead?
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> kaizad: read harder
[04:20] <kaizad> waaaa dude
[04:20] <kaizad> plzzzz
[04:20] <kaizad> i am new dude :D
[04:20] <kaizad> srry ! ;)
[04:20] <BluesKaj> in the server page not the the chat, kaizad
[04:20] <kaizad> now what is server page ?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> and you '/msg nickserv thecommand touse'
[04:20] <kaizad> i know i might b annoying but plz help ! !
[04:20] <Dr_willis> read the priv message from the nickserv bot.
[04:21] <BluesKaj> where it says freenode ,,the textbox
[04:21] <kaizad> where?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> time to explore your irc client. :)
[04:21] <BluesKaj> what irc client are you using?
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> it probably says "Ubuntu IRC"
[04:21] <kaizad> konversation
[04:21] <kaizad> konversation
[04:21] <kaizad> konversation
[04:22] <kaizad> is it right ?
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a client, yes :)
[04:22] <kaizad> oh
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> over on the left there should be a tree view
[04:22] <kaizad> so is it diff from other clients available?
[04:22] <kaizad> no nothin here
[04:22] <Dr_willis> in linux - theres always 12+ programs to do somthing.
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> like:
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Ubuntu IRC
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> \- #kubuntu
[04:23] <kaizad> ya kubuntu
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> what's above that?
[04:23] <kaizad> nothin !
[04:23] <kaizad> hey dude ! can i hav a cam chat where i can show u  my screen or something  ! ?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> if you did a /msg nickserv help
[04:24] <Dr_willis> the bot 'should' of replied in its own private window
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- NickServ allows you to "register" a nickname and
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- prevent others from using it. The following
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- commands allow for registration and maintenance of
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- nicknames; to use them, type /msg NickServ <command>.
[04:24] <Balaams_Miracle> kaizad: Press the "Print screen" key and upload it to a picture host or something...
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- For more information on a specific command, type
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ- /msg NickServ help <command>.
[04:24] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     REGISTER   Register a nickname
[04:25] <Dr_willis> thats a private message from the bot..
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     DROP       Cancel the registration of a nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     IDENTIFY   Identify yourself with your password
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     ACCESS     Modify the list of authorized addresses
[04:25] <Dr_willis> you dont need to paste it here.. READ it. :)
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     SET        Set various options for your nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     LIST       Display list of nicks matching a pattern
[04:25] <Balaams_Miracle> kaizad: or use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     RECOVER    Kill another user who has taken your nick
[04:25] <Dr_willis> theres never a need to paste stuff like that. here.
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     RELEASE    Regain custody of your nick after RECOVER
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     GHOST      Kill a ghosted nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     INFO       Get information for a nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     LINK       Link your nickname to another
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  [Notice]  -NickServ-     UNLINK     UnLink your nickname
[04:25] <kaizad> [19:54]  <Dr_willis> the bot 'should' of replied in its own private window
[04:25] <kaizad> is it this ?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> you msg'd a bot named 'nickserv' ya got a notice back from someone called 'nickserv' :) Logically - thats the reply.
[04:26] <Balaams_Miracle> kaizad: Do not flood the chatroom. For one thing, it is reason to be kicked. Second, there are better ways
[04:26] <kaizad> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24429/
[04:27] <kaizad> oh SORRY PEOPLE ! ~ ~ ~
[04:27] <kaizad> so what next ?
[04:28] <Dr_willis> read what the bot said? :)
[04:28] <Balaams_Miracle> Go to the server page and type /msg NickServ help register
[04:29] <Dr_willis>  /msg NickServ help  <command>  then it gave a list of the commands.
[04:29] <Dr_willis> the server PAGE is documentation.
[04:29] <Dr_willis> not where you put commands to the bot
[04:29] <kaizad> oh
[04:29] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[04:29] <kaizad> ok ok ok
[04:29] <Dr_willis> ie: ------>    /msg NickServ help  register
[04:29] <kaizad> ya ya got it !
[04:29] <kaizad> :D
[04:29] <Minataku> How is your wife doing?
[04:29] <kaizad> thanx BRO !
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  driving me crazy.
[04:29] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Haha
[04:29] <Minataku> That's her job, after all
[04:29] <Minataku> XD
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  they want to put her ont he Liver Transplant List. but she dont want to.
[04:30] <Minataku> Yipe
[04:30] <mourlos> how the hell can i install my usb modem?:/
[04:30] <sercik> listen radio with kubuntu???
[04:30] <Dr_willis> she has a 'genetic' disorder that makes cysts form on her liver. Not life threating. but can eventually cause livercancer. so they got to keep an eye on ie.
[04:30] <Dr_willis> Some days she cant get out of bed due to the pain.. other days shes ready to take on the world.
[04:30] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Double yipe
[04:31] <Dr_willis> so i never know how much work i got to do around the house - if she aint feeling up to it.
[04:31] <Minataku> I'd imagine with said disorder even a new liver would cause issue
[04:31] <Minataku> But then I'm an engineer, not a doctor
[04:31] <Dr_willis> its like 'cystic fibrosis' only not in the lungs. but in her liver.
[04:31] <BluesKaj> secik yes, use amarok /[playlists/radio streams
[04:31] <Minataku> Aieeee.
[04:32] <BluesKaj> err sercik
[04:32] <Dr_willis> ive been cleaning up the basement also. :)  figureing what to ship out first.
[04:32] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:32] <Minataku> It'd probably be best to stick it all in one box
[04:32] <Minataku> Find anything else down there I might like?
[04:33] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, hmm feel like doing my basement ? :)
[04:33] <Dr_willis> then it will all rattle around. I got about 20lbs of amiga floppy disks i found. :)
[04:33] <mourlos> how the hell can i install my usb modem?:/
[04:33] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Haha
[04:33] <Minataku> mourlos: Plug it in
[04:33] <Minataku> You'll probably need ndiswrapper after that
[04:33] <mourlos> not working
[04:33] <Minataku> USB NIC/MAC/Modems suck like that
[04:33] <Dr_willis> she had me crawling under the house allready today. (got me up at 8 am!) to run tv/cat5 cable for her re-aranged bedroom
[04:33] <Minataku> Heh
[04:34] <Minataku> Dr_willis: 1.44MB floppies can be repurposed
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  880K was the amiga standard
[04:34] <Minataku> Though if there's awesome stuff on them that's good too
[04:34] <Minataku> I know
[04:34] <Dr_willis> or was they.. i forget.
[04:34] <Minataku> I have a Mac that can probably write that kind of disc
[04:34] <Dr_willis> I think they came out with a 1.4mb drive
[04:34] <Minataku> Two Macs, no less
[04:34] <Minataku> And as for an HDD, they're IDE
[04:34] <Minataku> Which is awesome
[04:35] <Dr_willis> The mac and amiga used similer drives. but not sure how well they  can do it.
[04:35] <beth_19_uk> hi
[04:35] <Minataku> I believe they both used the same writing style
[04:35] <Dr_willis> too new of an ide drive may not work either. AMiga needs a small laptop sized drive.
[04:35] <Minataku> There were two, IIRC
[04:35] <Minataku> I've got plenty of those, too
[04:35] <Minataku> 3.5", 2.5", a couple of each
[04:36] <Dr_willis> Redundant Array of Old Disks
[04:36] <Minataku> When I get a busted or pointless machine, I salvage the parts
[04:36] <Minataku> So I've got plenty of little bits and pieces all over
[04:36] <sercik> thanks BluesKaj
[04:36] <sercik> i need to register on last.fm
[04:36] <sercik> ??
[04:37] <Minataku> But yeah, find any other cool systems down there?
[04:37] <Dr_willis> !irc
[04:37] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:37] <xorl> I got a minor issue, my wireless internet keeps posting "ath0: link becomes ready" right after words a few seconds later "atho: link is not ready"
[04:38] <xorl> and the lights on the card just blink back and forth (pcmcia)
[04:38] <Dr_willis> kaizad,  ya may want to read those !irc urls' the bot just gave.
[04:38] <BluesKaj> dunno, i don't bother with last.fm
[04:38] <Dr_willis> welli gotta go get this insulation off me. :) darn wife. waking me at 8am!
[04:38] <Riddell> ** gutsy desktop CDs neeing tested **
[04:39] <BluesKaj> sercik, just choose the playlist/radiostreams ..not last.fm
[04:39] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heehee
[04:41] <sercik> i have not radiostreams in amarok
[04:42] <DexterF> how do I change the gtk2 app font in kub?
[04:42] <unmyth> my vpnc- connection is allways dying in feisty after a few seconds .. in edgy it worked
[04:43] <Amarilis> sercik, Playlist>Add streams...
[04:43] <sercik> ah
[04:43] <xorl> damn wireless!
[04:43] <unmyth> somebody having similiar experiences with vpnc
[04:43] <sercik> but i need to know internet address!
[04:43] <Amarilis> or u can listen online radios using a .pls file
[04:43] <sercik> i tought some programs that have presets for most important radio
[04:43] <sercik> not online radio but real radio
[04:50] <Amarilis> there are real radio stations that streams online
[05:01] <DexterF> what automounter can you recommend other than autofs? I'd like submoutn but that's not in any repository
[05:08] <skript> does feisty use ntfs-3g by default for mounting partitions as 'rw' ?
[05:08] <soopafai> i want to play poker on bwin.com but it needs java. i know i can install sun-java but it requires that i agree on their license and use terms.
[05:08] <soopafai> i wanted to know if there was a completely free alternative
[05:08] <Dr_willis> the free alternatives may not work properly
[05:09] <soopafai> i see
[05:09] <soopafai> then im going for sun-java
[05:09] <soopafai> thx Dr_willis
[05:09] <Dr_willis> be sure to get the version 6
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:09] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:09] <Dr_willis>  sun-java6-jre
[05:10] <soopafai> k
[05:10] <NecroAd> Hey, I'm having trouble installing pidgin -- someone give me a hand?
[05:10] <blekos> anybody using banshee?
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> soopafai: don't worry.. java was just GPLed.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> but sun still has that idiotic EULA thing so far. :)
[05:11] <soopafai> nosrednaekim: oh really, it still has that eula agree on the terms stuff
[05:11] <NecroAd> "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" I get this error when I type "./configure" when I'm trying to install pidgin. It does a few things then stops at that.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> you did install build-essential ?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> its the core of the C compiler stuff.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> and you willproberly need a lot of other dev files/libs as well
[05:12] <NecroAd> aha, I didn't see anything about that in the install file.
[05:12] <NecroAd> Thanks for that, I'll give it a shot
[05:12] <Dr_willis> They assume you got a compiuler installed. :)
[05:12] <NecroAd> ooooh.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> !info pidgen
[05:12] <ubotu> Package pidgen does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:12] <Dr_willis> suprised its not in seveas
[05:13] <NecroAd> spelt it wrong, I think?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> !\pidgin
[05:13] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> !pidgeon
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgeon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> there ya go..
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> its on getdeb.org
[05:13] <NecroAd> aha
[05:14] <NecroAd> danke
[05:17] <Minataku> Dr_willis: wb
[05:17] <hollandlucas> !pidgin
[05:17] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[05:18] <Minataku> Why they can't add it is beyond me
[05:19] <Dr_willis> its how they 'do' things. with their release cycle
[05:19] <Dr_willis> For good or bad. :)
[05:20] <Minataku> Mostly bad
[05:20] <Dr_willis> like the updated firefox fiasco a year or so ago.
[05:20] <Minataku> Anyway, did you find any more interesting crap in your basement?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> why even bother with a 6 mo release cycle  becomes the bigger question
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Not yet. :) looking for some box's at the moment
[05:20] <Minataku> Coo
[05:21] <Dr_willis> i got one for the scsi drive  making sure i can find its scsi cable also.. and any othe rbits
[05:21] <Minataku> Sweet
[05:21] <Lattyware> Is there any way to choose onto which virtual desktop a program will be launched?
[05:21] <Lattyware> As in, if starting from a terminal
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Lattyware,  i was thinking the kde window manager rembered that..
[05:21] <Minataku> Lattyware: Be on that one when you launch it
[05:21] <Dr_willis> OR theres a kstart ? or somt similer tool that can set that
[05:21] <Minataku> If you're not, just move it afterwards
[05:22] <Dr_willis> it can set a lot of things
[05:22] <nosrednaekim> Lattyware: yes... you can make kwin remember that. for specific typed of programs
[05:22] <Dr_willis> kstart -->
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Utility to launch applications with special window properties
[05:22] <Dr_willis> such as iconified, maximized, a certain virtual desktop, a special decoration
[05:22] <Dr_willis> and so on.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <Minataku> Hm... I think it's time to give ULTRA2 a real name... but that'll take a while
[05:22] <Minataku> I fixed it, BTW, the CPU modules weren't seated correctly
[05:23] <Lattyware> Basically, what I want to do is auto-start uTorrent under wine, and as wine doesn't play nice with the system tray, I use a seperate virtual desktop
[05:23] <Lattyware> and moving it every boot is annoying.
[05:23] <Minataku> Lattyware: Use a native BT client
[05:23] <Jucato> Lattyware: right-click on the window title bar -> Advanced -> Special window settings ?
[05:23] <Jucato> ah different case... wine...
[05:23] <Lattyware> Minataku: That's not a solution for me. Mainly because all other clients suck.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Lattyware,  i found it best to use utorrent+wine on its own 'vnc' desktop - :) and a minimal window manager
[05:23] <Dr_willis> that way it staied running in the background all the time. and i could logout
[05:23] <Minataku> Whatever. Terminating support feed.
[05:24] <jthomas_> Lattyware: kTorrent is the opposite of suck!!
[05:24] <Dr_willis> ive had other issues with wine/utorrent.exe
[05:24] <Minataku> BitTornado is an excellent client
[05:24] <Lattyware> No. It has no good DHT support.
[05:24] <Minataku> Done in Python and native as well
[05:24] <jthomas_> KTorrent doest too have DHT
[05:24] <Dr_willis> i recall seeing ktorrent/dht - Not that i am sure what that means. :)
[05:25] <Lattyware> It has it, but it cannot connect to Azureus or uTorrent - so that rules our 99% of DHT peers.
[05:25] <Lattyware> *out
[05:25] <jthomas_> ok so use Azureus
[05:25] <Lattyware> And BitTornado has no multiple clients.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> another nonstandard standard? :)
[05:25] <jthomas_> aren't they all
[05:25] <Lattyware> I get slower speeds with Azureus, and it uses up to much memory, and it often crashes, and often won't start.
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> tell me it isn't so...
[05:25] <Minataku> DHT is probably some retarded crap
[05:25] <Lattyware> *multiple torrents
[05:26] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i was thinking that was what i'd read about it also. :) but i dident want to say too much
[05:26] <jthomas_> DHT finds peers without tracker services, its really nice actually
[05:26] <Dr_willis> the PrivateTracker sites i recall HATE dht
[05:26] <Minataku> It sounds like a bad idea
[05:26] <Dr_willis> but the priv tracker site i used to use .. stopped.
[05:26] <Lattyware> yeah, In some cases, it is the difference between a torrent with a seed and one you can't download.
[05:27] <Minataku> What, it randomly looks for people? That sounds annoying
[05:27] <jthomas_> Lattyware: file a bug report for KTorrent to improve their DHT, or with uTorrent to make a Linux client.
[05:27] <Minataku> Isn't utorrent making one?
[05:28] <Minataku> Coulda sworn I heard that
[05:28] <jthomas_> Minataku: no, it finds torrents that you already share and then connects those that you *could* be sharing
[05:28] <Minataku> jthomas_: Hm... yeah, that sounds like something that could get you banned from a lot of places
[05:28] <Lattyware> jthomas_: They already know about it, just won't fix it for some reason.
[05:29] <Lattyware> It basically finds extra peers.
[05:29] <Lattyware> It can be extremely useful.
[05:29] <Minataku> Right, and like Dr_willis said, I'm sure it'll get you suspended from a number of places
[05:30] <jthomas_> Minataku: i think its souds useful; the places that 'hate' it are thse that share files they shouldn't
[05:30] <Minataku> As if anyone uses bittorrent for 100% legal purposes
[05:30] <Lattyware> And uTorrent say they won't make a linux one. In fact, uTorrent was recently bought by BitTorrent, so it may change.
[05:30] <Minataku> That is, always for legal purposes
[05:30] <jthomas_> when my DHT is turned on in KTorrent, it SUPER increases the number of IP connections going through my router
[05:31] <Lattyware> It'll get you suspended from private trackers who don't want people who aren't on that tracker.
[05:31] <Minataku> Right, which is why it seems better to not have it at all
[05:31] <Lattyware> But I don't use sites with that restriction. I have better sources for torrents.
[05:31] <Lattyware> Why use a site like that? It limits your peers servly.
[05:32] <Minataku> Sometimes those are the only sources
[05:32] <Minataku> Though I'm interested in yours
[05:32] <Minataku> Care to PM me a listing?
[05:32] <Minataku> I can never find any useful sites, mostly all complete crap or search sites with torrents that have been dead for years
[05:33] <Lattyware> Depends, what do you download?
[05:33] <Minataku> Lattyware: Let's just leave it at "anything"
[05:33] <Lattyware> Then I'm probably of not much use, I download a very small set of files
[05:33] <Lattyware> well, comparatively.
[05:33] <Minataku> I collect abandonware OSes, for one
[05:34] <Minataku> Purely for research purposes only, of course
[05:34] <Lattyware> To name it, I use BitTorrent for two main things, Legal Stuff, and the questionably legal (but morally correct) download of unlicensed anime
[05:35] <DexterF> does the "commercial" repo still exist?
[05:35] <Minataku> No copyright violation if there's no copyright in said country
[05:35] <Minataku> Technically
[05:35] <DexterF> !opera
[05:35] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[05:35] <DexterF> hmm. dapper. not feisty?
[05:36] <Lattyware> DexterF: I think that's outdated to the time of Dappers releast
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: my favorite abandonware OS is Vista.
[05:36] <Lattyware> *release
[05:36] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Haha
[05:36] <Lattyware> I remember seeing that in Feisty.
[05:36] <Lattyware> I'm pretty sure, anywayl
[05:36] <Minataku> I prefer old Unixes
[05:36] <Lattyware> and lol @ nosrednaekim
[05:36] <Lattyware> Allthough that was in Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[05:38] <Balaams_Miracle> ubotu:, DexterF: see http://deb.opera.com/ for official Opera repos
[05:39] <Tehnik> How to make KDE remember keyboard layout independently  for each application? For example, when I'm  writing a letter in Russian in a mail editor and talking in English in IRC channel at the same time  I have to switch languages every time I switch between editor and IRC client
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> Tehnik: I don;t think you can do that.
[05:39] <Lattyware> Tehnik: You could assign it to Ctrl+K or something
[05:39] <Lattyware> It's the next best thing.
[05:40] <kaizad> what abt babes out here?
[05:40] <Tehnik> GNOME supports this feature. Why KDE developers can't implement it?
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> my dear Red comrade
[05:40] <sivaji> is there any way to protect a file with password
[05:40] <c1|freaky> is there thunderbird2.0 for kubuntu?
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. youcould do a chortcut
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> *shortcut
[05:42] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: yes... when you say "save" there should be a radio button for save with passwd
[05:43] <DexterF> kaffeine complains "cant bind to info socket" on startup - what do I have to make of this?
[05:43] <sivaji> nosrednaekim : i want to protect audio file
[05:43] <DexterF> Balaams_Miracle: no feisty repos yet. well, ok.
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> google it.
[05:43] <Minataku> Don't tell me Ubuntu is turning into Debian with explicitly following those damn FSGs
[05:44] <Minataku> Not that I think Opera should be used at all anyway
[05:44] <Balaams_Miracle> DexterF: I am an Opera user myself and the official Opera repos are very reliable. For feisty, i use the Sarge repo
[05:44] <DexterF> Balaams_Miracle: i see, thanks
[05:45] <sivaji> nosrednaekim i got it gpg
[05:45] <sivaji> nosrednaekim do u know anything about that
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: nope
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> other than its unbreakable
[05:49] <ni^> hey maybe someone can help me with fglrx compilation issue? i can't compile it with kernel 2.6.20-16-generic. I have such error: cat: /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/build/include/linux/version-*.h: No such file or directory . I tried both ATI and ubuntu package fglrx-kernel-source :/
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> ni^ you need the linux kernel headers
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> and why are you compiling it? there is a good verion in the repositories.
[05:51] <ni^> nosrednaekim: got them also... :/
[05:51] <ni^> nosrednaekim: but i have radeon 9100 and i think it's not supported by this reps
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> 9100.. isn't that integrated?
[05:52] <ni^> nah normal agp card
[05:52] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok.
[05:52] <nosrednaekim> yeah... well I have to go...are you following a tutorial?
[05:52] <ni^> but i read and seems this one is not supported by default package, so the method was to compile it from ati sources but it's hell... files with wrong chmods etc.. :/
[05:53] <ni^> nosrednaekim: maybe u have any better tutorial, i'm loosing hope with this crap
[05:54] <magicbronson> i just installed kubuntu-desktop after a fresh ubuntu 7.04 install. when i rebooted it still loaded gnome instead of kde. i'm not seeing a .xinitrc in my home directory. anyone know how this works?
[05:55] <GrahamA> magicbronson: There's a context menu where you can select KDE, I think it's the Ubuntu logo, next to the login box.
[05:56] <GrahamA> You need to ask on #ubuntu this is #kubuntu
[05:56] <sivaji2009> magicbronson u must select when u enter password
[05:56] <magicbronson> thanks guys
[05:56] <sivaji2009> magicbronson u must select which desktop u need gnome or kde when u enter password
[05:57] <sivaji2009> magicbronson press alt+ctrl+backspace and select kde
[05:57] <ni^> i also tried this method with module-assistant same problem "Build of the package fglrx-kernel-source failed! How do you wish to proceed?" in compile log: /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:89:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory    + plenty of errors lower
[06:02] <sivaji2009> is it possible to apply password for a file
[06:03] <Dr_willis> sivaji2009,  with the various 'fuse' tools you could sort of do that I imagine.
[06:04] <ni^> sivaji2009: u can use encfs http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/04/62-how-to-use-encrypted-directories-with-encfs-and-fuse
[06:05] <service> hi there. ia have an dell optiplex gx 1 and there is no way i can find an audio driver. can anyone help me please?
[06:06] <service> how to configure the generic driver for intel 810 ac 97?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> hmm. That should be supported Id think. Intel 810 has beeb around for ages.
[06:09] <magicbronson> before i installed i was able to go up to 1600x1200 but now the highest i get is 1024x768. anyone know what's going on?
[06:09] <magicbronson> (was running gentoo)
[06:09] <Dr_willis> magical_trevsky,   diferent xorg modelines perhaps. You have installed the proper drivers for your video card?
[06:11] <service> well Dr_willis it is not supported. when i give lspci i don't even see the sound card
[06:11] <marco> hi
[06:11] <service> ! dell optiplex
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dell optiplex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <service> ! dell
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <Dr_willis> service,  from what i just googled. that machine could come with several different sound cards.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> if lspci isent even showing it.. thats.. odd. Id almost say check bios to see if its disabled.
[06:12] <service> it's enabled. on windows worked perfectly. but on linux.... nothing
[06:13] <Dr_willis> id say try a few linux live cd's see if they see it.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> I have had issues ages ago.. with a few sound cards. If i booted to windows. then 'rebooted/softbooted' to linux - the card would not get initilized properly.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> if i Powered Up straight to Linux . it would get seen right.
[06:13] <service> i have only linux
[06:14] <Dr_willis> took me a while to discover why sound woruld work some time on that box.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> the fact that lspci isent showing it - is very very strange. Id print out your lspci output. then try an other live cd - Like Knoppix - and compare its lspci output.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> If ya get lucky and find a live cd that sound works with. check the modules that are getting loaded. (lsmod)
[06:15] <service> pff.....   i have to put the cdrom again and then die here while it starts
[06:16] <service> i found on some forum that i have to reconfigure the kernel with intel 810 ac 097 driver
[06:16] <service> but that's all it sayd
[06:16] <Dr_willis> On-board Crystal Soundcard cs4236  - is what some sites say. is on that machine..
[06:17] <Dr_willis> so im getting conflicting info on google. Guess it depends on which specific machine dell made that month/year.
[06:17] <service> i hate these things
[06:17] <Dr_willis> from url --< Added snd-cs4236 to the bottom of /etc/modules
[06:18] <Dr_willis> try a 'sudo modprobe  snd-cs4236'
[06:18] <Dr_willis> and check dmesg output for any info about sound cards /snd
[06:18] <Kozzi> hello
[06:18] <Dr_willis> aha! this site says that is an ISA soundcard. Not pci
[06:18] <Kozzi> can someone help me to get the scrolling using synaptics touch pad to work
[06:18] <Minataku> Back
[06:18] <service> mine is onboard
[06:18] <Kozzi> Feisty
[06:18] <Dr_willis> http://coffeebear.net/archives/2005/11/16/alsa-crystal-4237b-revisited/
[06:19] <Minataku> CS4236? That seems familiar
[06:19] <Dr_willis> the fact that its onboard dosent mean its NOT an isa or PCI card. :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> the mb has to see it as somthing heh.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> its just built in.
[06:19] <service> aha
[06:19] <service> new thing learned thanks
[06:20] <Dr_willis> but since it is an isa card - that puts it in a whole new ballpark.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> pnp-with isa devices - is.. well.. often flakey
[06:20] <Dr_willis> lots of the info i am finding - is rather.. old.
[06:20] <Minataku> One of the XBLA games is solitare with single-player... and multiplayer modes
[06:20] <Minataku> How the hell does that work?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i got the macse drive in a box.. putting in other stuff. and NOW i cant even move int he garrage..
[06:21] <sivaji2009> how to install  a kernel module "modprobe fuse"
[06:21] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heehee
[06:21] <Dr_willis> i gotta take books to the used bookstore
[06:21] <Dr_willis> sivaji2009,  sudo modprobe fuse
[06:21] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Leave the Mac SE itself
[06:21] <Kozzi> Problem: Scrolling using touch pad doesn't work ( Feisty 7.04)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> sivaji2009,  put it in that modules autoloading file if ya want. :)
[06:21] <Minataku> I made my decision, it'll be far cheaper for me on shipping without it
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  it wont fit. :) i tossed in an Old Calculator. :)
[06:22] <Minataku> Ooooooh
[06:22] <service> thanks for links and advices
[06:22] <Minataku> I like old calculators :D
[06:22] <Dr_willis> found a nice Laptop Box that was big enoyuhg. I gotta grab a few more obx's
[06:22] <service> time to burn brains now
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  you should of NOT said that. :)
[06:22] <Minataku> Haha
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i grabbed a lot for $1 each at a rummage sale.
[06:22] <Minataku> I said it and meant it
[06:22] <Minataku> If you don't want 'em, toss 'em in
[06:22] <Minataku> I especially love ones with red LED displays :D
[06:22] <Dr_willis> if ya can  get one of them working (all the rechargeable batteries are dead) and send it back - that would be cool. heh
[06:22] <Minataku> Heh
[06:23] <Minataku> Rechargeable? Argh! XD
[06:23] <Dr_willis> yep..  several old HPs in here. and a Ti with some magnetit strip reader
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  yep. thats the problem.
[06:23] <Minataku> Sweet
[06:23] <Dr_willis> they are just AA batteries in a plastic case.
[06:23] <Minataku> I'm sure I could at least hack together regular batteries
[06:23] <Dr_willis> 'high tech' for the time.. :)
[06:23] <Minataku> But yeah, throw those in too
[06:23] <Minataku> Ah, kinda like my NEC PC-8201A
[06:23] <Dr_willis> i cant even get to them. i got to get rid of these paperback books i got all over.
[06:24] <Kozzi> how to restart xserver without rebooting the pc ?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> i allready gave away my sliderule to a guy at work. heh
[06:24] <sivaji2009> Dr_willis how to do that
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Kozzi,  alt-ctrl-backspa ce
[06:24] <llutz> Kozzi: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart or ctrl-alt-baclspace
[06:24] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heh, take care of the books then, because those calculators will be so awesome :D
[06:24] <Dr_willis> willis@kubuntu:~$ cat /etc/modules
[06:24] <Dr_willis> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[06:24] <Kozzi> thnx Dr_willis and llutz
[06:24] <Minataku> When you get to them, take down the models, I'd like to look them up :3
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  ok :) gotta go get lunch and the BOokstore is right next to KFC's :)
[06:24] <jwallingford> anybody here using kubuntu 64bit?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> heh - well i am off - bbl
[06:25] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Kickass :3
[06:25] <Minataku> Have fun at lunch ^^
[06:25] <Minataku> jwallingford: Only Solaris 8 64bit
[06:25] <Minataku> Which probably doesn't help you any
[06:26] <Dr_willis> i know i got 5+ calculatotrs.. but can only find the 1.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> lunhc time
[06:26] <Minataku> Later
[06:26] <jwallingford> i cant figure out how to get the flash plugin for Firefox to work. I was just trying to see if anybody has been able to with 64bit
[06:27] <jhutchins> Is qparted on the live CD?
[06:27] <basse> Riddell: got the package? everything ok?
[06:29] <Kozzi> man still not working
[06:29] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: use nspluginwrapper
[06:30] <Kozzi> anyone here got their Synaptics TouchPad scrolling to work ?
[06:32] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: Adept isnt finding it... should I just download it from freshmeat or something?
[06:35] <Minataku> !synaptics
[06:35] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[06:35] <Minataku> Kozzi ^^^^
[06:37] <Kozzi> I missed one line from that link
[06:37] <Kozzi> sigh.. now . brb
[06:41] <faidillinger> has any of you guys ever managed to play counterstrike under kubuntu ?
[06:41] <Kozzi> yay Horizonal works now, thnx Minataku
[06:42] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: yeah... just get it from sourceforge
[06:43] <jwallingford> does adept work with .rpms?
[06:43] <DexterF> faidillinger: ati? no go. nv? cedega
[06:43] <Sephnroth> well, i have these cds that are so poor quality its pretty much guranteed that they are broken somewhere on them.  started installing kubuntu and indeed it broke at one point.  i took advantage of the fact that the kubuntu installer gives u an option to resume from a certain point
[06:43] <DexterF> jwallingford: no, and thats good
[06:43] <Sephnroth> and swapped cds to a different one figuring it cant be broke in same place, and it worked :D
[06:44] <pan> hello
[06:44] <Sephnroth> but just realised that i accidently put in an ubuntu cd instead of kubuntu XD  and now grub says "ubuntu" on its list but loads kubuntu and goodness knows what else i messed XD
[06:44] <Sephnroth> not a problem, just a "lol"
[06:44] <faidillinger> DexterF: yes i got an ati9250 with 3d acceleration + cedega
[06:44] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: not really
[06:44] <Minataku> Kozzi: No problem
[06:44] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: ok i am here: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper#documentation
[06:44] <DexterF> faidillinger: how did you get 3d acc on an 9250?
[06:45] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: what should i be downloading the tar.bz source file?
[06:45] <faidillinger> DexterF: well, the open source driver does 3d acceleration
[06:45] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: I think so... but its odd that its not in the  repositories
[06:45] <faidillinger> on some old cards includind mine (9250 = rv280 )
[06:45] <Kozzi> !wlan
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <DexterF> faidillinger: anyway, ati and cedega don't mix. a few apps work, but that's it. yes, r300 does some basic 3D, but not all functions are implemented yet, so CS probably won't do.
[06:46] <DexterF> to be sure ask ajax on #xorg
[06:46] <faidillinger> DexterF: fine, i will still give it a try. i'll tell you if it works or not
[06:46] <faidillinger> DexterF: btw, compiz is definetely  off the hook, i managed to get it working
[06:46] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: is it in yours?
[06:47] <DexterF> faidillinger: yes, let me know about CS. compiz/beryl was a fight, I take?
[06:47] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: it was in edgy I think.... but no its not in mine
[06:47] <DexterF> !wifi
[06:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:48] <DexterF> Kozzi: see? ;)
[06:48] <Kozzi> test
[06:48] <Kozzi> !wifi
[06:48] <faidillinger> DexterF: yep it was a fight, until after some googling i found that tutorial that told me which options sould and souldnt be on in my xorg.conf
[06:48] <faidillinger> +h
[06:48] <faidillinger> should
[06:48] <DexterF> yup. they should put some patches in the beryl package that automatically add those and check for others
[06:49] <faidillinger> yep
[06:50] <DexterF> um, any coders around..? tried to compile subfs kernel module and get lotse of errors I don't knwo what to make of
[06:51] <Kozzi> lol no idea what I just did, but I think I got my Wifi to work with WEp :D
[06:52] <MaTiAz> Hey, how do I change the default boot option in Grub?
[06:52] <jwallingford> has anybody else installed the flash plugin on a 64bit kubuntu?
[06:53] <llutz> MaTiAz: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, "default" entry
[06:53] <Kozzi> !synaptics
[06:53] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[06:55] <DexterF> Kozzi: wep is insecure, fyi. I'g go wpa if I can
[06:56] <timmay> !g4u
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about g4u - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <timmay> anyone familiar with g4u?
[06:57] <MaTiAz> llutz: There doesn't seem to be a default entry
[06:57] <llutz> MaTiAz: "default=0" should be there
[06:57] <llutz> MaTiAz: if not, add an default entry, with the number of your choice (coutn starts with 0)
[06:57] <llutz> count
[07:02] <squid0> Hi! as per this bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/firestarter/+bug/42759 ), firestarter doesn't seem to be starting on system boot. there's a proposed fix there, but I'm having trouble finding the firestarter configuration file... anyone done this?
[07:08] <OlliK> aziz
[07:09] <jwallingford> ok i have thunderbird 1.5 installed. I have downloaded thunderbrid 2 from mozilla and want to install it. Do I just un-tar the downloaded v.2 file into the directory thunderbird is currently installed to?
[07:09] <JuJuBee> I have a HD I wish to clone to 6 other drives that are identical in side and model/manufacturer...  Is dd the best way?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> 100% identical? DD can do that.
[07:11] <JuJuBee> Is it best way and is it easy?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> theres some optiosn to dd that may make it a little faster. but ive not messed with it much
[07:12] <JuJuBee> K, I'll check around...
[07:12] <Dr_willis> ya could also use mondo/mindi to arvhive the original, then restore it back to the other 6 (if ya had several pc's ya could od this really fast)
[07:12] <yeti_> JuJuBee: it's the easiest way. but triple-check every dd-command you enter
[07:12] <yeti_> JuJuBee: dd will write anythong anywhere if you tell it to :)
[07:12] <JuJuBee> I just want to clone drive 1 to drive 2...
[07:13] <yeti_> then do so :) "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" <- quick and dirty. read man dd for further info before doing it
[07:13] <MaTiAz> Some people abbreviate DD as "destroy data" :)
[07:14] <JuJuBee> Looks easy enough.  Can I do this from live cd?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> yes, ya can.
[07:14] <JuJuBee> good.  Thanks.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> then ya going to power off swap disks, power up.. clone #2 and so on?
[07:14] <JuJuBee> Yep.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> installing Kubuntu on 6 pc's ?
[07:15] <Minataku> wb, Dr_willis
[07:15] <JuJuBee> Yes, my classroom.
[07:15] <aziz> OlliK: yes?
[07:15] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  I now have.. a clear table in the garrage. :)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  are the machines identical?
[07:15] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Cool
[07:15] <OlliK> aziz ?
[07:15] <Minataku> If you can find those calculators, I'd totally love that
[07:15] <Minataku> I love showing off old calculators :D
[07:15] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  if they are networked. You could install to one. and then setup the mondo/mindi stuff to clone to the otehr 5 but then ya got to change their hostnames
[07:15] <aziz> you mentioned my name before
[07:16] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  you sicko!
[07:16] <Minataku> Really, I love showing off all of my collection, so, yeah
[07:16] <JuJuBee> Yes, with one exception... on is missing a second wireless nic.
[07:16] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Haha
[07:16] <JuJuBee> Otherwise identical.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  real men use wires! :)
[07:16] <sparrw> is there a web browser that will let me request a domain from a particular IP?
[07:16] <JuJuBee> Don't have poles and the wires are a hazard lying on the floor...
[07:16] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  thers also some way i recall to make a ubuntu installer disk that just installs with a standard set of options (like for an OEM install)
[07:16] <Minataku> 500ft wireless wire $2000
[07:17] <JuJuBee> Nice, I'll take 2
[07:17] <Dr_willis> flight line and propwash included
[07:17] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:17] <DarkED> hey all, is there a guide to install the nvidia drivers in kubuntu 7.04? i know ubuntu 7.04 has the option in admin panel, but with kde, we have to do it manually... so, any guides? :0
[07:17] <JuJuBee> What about wireless electricity?  I heare it's coming ;)
[07:17] <Minataku> Comes with a free can of elbow grease, too
[07:17] <JuJuBee> Just make sure to duck...
[07:17] <Dr_willis> DarkED,  could install synaptic and then use the ubnuntu guide. :)
[07:18] <Dr_willis> or fire up adept and search/install for the packages. I guess. I did this 3 mo ago.. so cant rember how i did it.
[07:18] <Dr_willis> ive done it so many times.. its an automated reflex. heh
[07:18] <yeti_> DarkED: kde menu -> add/remove programs -> system -> nvidia binary x.org driver
[07:19] <OlliK> aziz: ?
[07:19] <DarkED> yeti_: thank yo
[07:19] <DarkED> you*
[07:19] <DarkED> Dr_willis: same to you :)
[07:19] <Dr_willis> yeti_,  thats TOO simple! it cant be that easy! :)
[07:19] <Dr_willis> what next! will it auto-take-my-dog-out-for-a-walk!
[07:20] <OlliK> aziz
[07:20] <Dr_willis> whats sad is the legal-issues that keep ubuntu from auto-doing some of this stuff.
[07:20] <DarkED> sorry guys, i'm helping a newbie set up kubuntu and the 'hard' way doesnt work here
[07:20] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I love the sound of those HPs, and that TI with the card reader has me REALLY interested
[07:20] <DarkED> he needs the easiest ways possible
[07:20] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  heh. let me see what # it has on it
[07:20] <Minataku> Coo
[07:21] <Dr_willis> ti Programable 58C
[07:22] <Dr_willis> with a Magnetie strip reader. and some mag strips/library chip for it
[07:22] <Dr_willis> programable 58C master Library (even has the original recipet) :)
[07:22] <JuJuBee> Should I check/verify the source drive first?
[07:22] <Minataku> Awesome! :D
[07:22] <Minataku> Dr_willis: You rule :3
[07:22] <JuJuBee> if so, how?  Never did under linux.  Just fsck?
[07:22] <Dr_willis> cost me  $1 at a rummage sale. :)
[07:23] <Minataku> Heehee, nice
[07:23] <Dr_willis> not sure what color the #'s are - no power
[07:23] <tyyy> ned help
[07:23] <Minataku> Probably red
[07:23] <Dr_willis> no charger either. :(
[07:23] <Minataku> I'll figure something out
[07:23] <Dr_willis> yea they went this 'lets put in specilized rechargable batteries' and use our own charger..  route.
[07:23] <Minataku> Typical
[07:24] <Dr_willis> when you can SEE they are using 3 AA rechargeables
[07:24] <tyyy> my system is freezing
[07:24] <Minataku> Got those HPs handy to read off the models or are those missing?
[07:24] <Dr_willis> that cost  ya like $6 now a days
[07:24] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I'll probably just hack in a way to use regular AAs
[07:24] <Dr_willis> they are in a box somewhere. not sure where.
[07:24] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Ah
[07:24] <Minataku> Well, take your time
[07:24] <Dr_willis> either basement or the garrage. :)
[07:25] <Minataku> I'm getting it for the cost of shipping so I can't really demand speed, right? XD
[07:26] <tyyy> my system is freezing
[07:27] <Minataku> tyyy: If you're in the northern hemisphere, just stick it outside
[07:27] <whiles> hello everybody
[07:27] <Minataku> So long as you're not TOO north
[07:27] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[07:28] <tyyy> tryed already but doesnt hep
[07:28] <Minataku> Sorry, I kinda need a nap... inadequate power to provide valid support >.<
[07:28] <whiles> anyone remember the name of the X program that intercepts all the events (mouse, keyboard) and writes them in the shell?
[07:29] <whiles> something like evt, a 3-character name
[07:30] <Minataku> Oh, uh
[07:30] <tyyy> at whiles "cat /dev/input/..."
[07:30] <Minataku> xev
[07:30] <whiles> no, i am talking about a program, an X program
[07:30] <Minataku> Yeah, xev
[07:31] <Minataku> Type it
[07:31] <whiles> yes!
[07:31] <whiles> thank you very much
[07:31] <Minataku> No problem
[07:31] <Minataku> I needed it a while ago to get the X keynames
[07:32] <Minataku> Somehow I remembered it
[07:32] <Minataku> XD
[07:32] <OlliK> aziz
[07:41] <trakinas> hey guys
[07:42] <yeniklasor> is there any application for my "C" programs get auto compile and lanch. Like Dev-C++ ? I don't want use shell everytime :(
[07:42] <trakinas> I was installing flumotion and when dpkg was configuring it I made one choice wrongly. click to go back, crashed. ran dpkg-reconfigure -a  flumotion and it is re-configuring the entirely system...
[07:43] <JuJuBee> How do I check a disck (before cloning) if booted from live cd?  I wish to perform a windows like chkdsk.. or something to verify the drive is good to clone.
[07:43] <trakinas> yeniklasor: ajunta.
[07:43] <yeniklasor> I will take a look now
[07:43] <trakinas> yeniklasor: but it is a bigger than Dev-C++
[07:43] <yeniklasor> for linux?
[07:43] <trakinas> JuJuBee: can't help. never cloned a drive before. never...
[07:44] <trakinas> yeniklasor: sure! :] ] 
[07:44] <yeniklasor> adept couldn't find it
[07:44] <trakinas> or it is anjuta... i kind of have dislexia..
[07:44] <trakinas> try anjuta.
[07:45] <yeniklasor> anjuta yep
[07:46] <trakinas> oh gosh... why i did dpkg-reconfigure -a?? heehe i thought it was going to configure only flumotion
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago> trakinas: i've done that before, don't feel bad
[07:48] <polypusher> hey
[07:48] <trakinas> Admiral_Chicago: haha. Im just afraid of screwing up things here.
[07:48] <trakinas> polypusher: hello there
[07:48] <yeti_> JuJuBee: /sbin/badblocks maybe?
[07:49] <polypusher> when i run ubuntu studio i get an failure in X server
[07:49] <polypusher> is X server the GUI?
[07:49] <Admiral_Chicago> trakinas: just go with default options
[07:49] <trakinas> polypusher: which one?
[07:49] <polypusher> trakinas: do you mean which version?
[07:49] <trakinas> no. the X server is, like says the name, the graphic servers which will able you to run a GUI.
[07:49] <trakinas> polypusher: which error.
[07:50] <trakinas> when booting the live cd? while installing?? give us more information. :P
[07:50] <polypusher> o ok, sorry
[07:50] <trakinas> have you run any other live-cd previously? runs kubuntu okay??
 Anjuta is only compiling my C program. How can I get it launch?
[07:51] <polypusher> ive installed it on my laptop (intel 945IGP graphics), 8GB /root partition. all i get is that an error occured and i get  a blue background with lots of funny white text characters. this is before the GUI shows up
[07:51] <polypusher> but i can continue to login via the CLI
[07:51] <trakinas> yeniklasor: anjuta should put an icon on your dev menu.
[07:52] <trakinas> polypusher: hmmm... that with the live-cd?
[07:52] <polypusher> nope, thats with an ISO i downloaded and installed
[07:52] <trakinas> polypusher: okay...
[07:52] <yeniklasor> Build/compile and make   this is not working
[07:53] <rene>   Help !!whatever resolution wallpaper I download it will not be sharp
[07:53] <trakinas> polypusher: it does not output any msg? only does not load the gui? that does not help.. :/ Bad bad xserver! :P
[07:53] <trakinas> rene: that is really bizarre...
[07:54] <polypusher> i can go and produce the error again and right down the error message, if it gives any?
[07:54] <rene> Yeah whatever I do its fuzzy
[07:54] <trakinas> yeniklasor: to be faire, i never used anjuta that much. :/
[07:54] <coreymon77> hi guys
[07:54] <trakinas> rene: I dont use wallpapers, so i cannot help
[07:54] <trakinas> coreymon77: hey there
[07:54] <trakinas> polypusher: sure!! :] 
[07:55] <coreymon77> how can i set konversation to wait a few seconds (so that i get cloaked) before autjoining channels?
[07:55] <polypusher> ok, be back soon
[07:55] <polypusher> before i go, can i enable the GUI manually?
[07:55] <trakinas> k!
[07:55] <trakinas> polypusher: sure!
[07:55] <polypusher> how do i do that? ill see what happens
[07:55] <trakinas> coreymon77: configuration -> configure Konversation
[07:56] <trakinas> polypusher: I kind of forgot the command... one second
[07:57] <polypusher> ok sure :)
[07:58] <GrahamA> Does anybody know if ubuntu studio works with KDE?
[07:58] <GrahamA> kubuntu
[07:59] <trakinas> GrahamA: sure! you just have to install kde
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> GrahamA: it runs on GNOME
[07:59] <coreymon77> trakinas: i dont think its there
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> GrahamA: but you can install studio and KDE side by side
[07:59] <trakinas> but, imho, Gnome is better for ubuntu studio
[07:59] <trakinas> coreymon77: no clue then. =P
[08:00] <trakinas> polypusher: it should be xf86cfg --textmode, but no cmd like this one here. :P
[08:00] <trakinas> !xorg
[08:00] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:00] <polypusher> cheers man :)
[08:00] <GrahamA> Admiral_Chicago: I just saw a post about it, it looks very interesting.
[08:01] <GrahamA> I might consider giving gnome another go.
[08:01] <trakinas> polypusher: you are welcome! i will try to find out smth in ubuntu... while i do this, try to reproduce the error.
[08:01] <matthew1429> hi guys, just switching over from ubuntu to kubuntu... ubuntu had something called medibuntu that installed everything for me as far as codecs, is there an equivalent here?
[08:01] <trakinas> GrahamA: i really like gnome.
[08:02] <GrahamA> matthew1429: Yeah, medibuntu :P
[08:02] <matthew1429> hehe
[08:02] <trakinas> :P
[08:02] <GrahamA> It's not ubuntu specific, I use it for extra codecs for my Kubuntu install.
[08:02] <matthew1429> hehe
[08:02] <matthew1429> yeah, i switched to kde
[08:02] <matthew1429> because I wanted to try something that would be easier to share through samba
[08:03] <matthew1429> had all kinds of issues with what I'm presuming to be a lack of gnome implementation
[08:03] <GrahamA> Although it's as slow as a grannie on depressants so I don't use it regually, I disaple it for updates.
[08:05] <matthew1429> grahamA do i just add the repos to sources through adept?
[08:05] <GrahamA> Yep, it should say on their site.
[08:05] <matthew1429> these commands probably wouldnt work in kde would that?
[08:05] <matthew1429> sudo su -c 'echo deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ feisty free non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:05] <matthew1429>                 wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update
[08:05] <matthew1429> 
[08:05] <matthew1429> it appears to be ubuntu specific... ill toy around
[08:05] <GrahamA> Yes they would.
[08:06] <trakinas> matthew1429: sure!!!
[08:06] <GrahamA> Apt-get comes with kubuntu
[08:06] <matthew1429> okay
[08:06] <matthew1429> great
[08:06] <coreymon77> matthew1429: commands are commands
[08:06] <trakinas> command line is distro independent.
[08:06] <matthew1429> i didn't know if sudo was gnome specific
[08:06] <matthew1429> agian, noob
[08:06] <coreymon77> matthew1429: kubuntu is exactly the same as ubuntu, its just using jde instead of gnome
[08:06] <trakinas> and *ubuntu are all debian based, which means, aptt for the win!
[08:06] <trakinas> *apt
[08:06] <matthew1429> have only had experience with diffs with suse and ubuntu until about 10 mins ago
[08:07] <GrahamA> sudo is the command line version on all *buntu
[08:07] <coreymon77> matthew1429: other than one using kde and one using gnome, they are exactly the same
[08:07] <trakinas> matthew1429: sudo is a program. you can remove it if you wish. lol
[08:07] <matthew1429> :)
[08:07] <coreymon77> matthew1429: dont though
[08:07] <matthew1429> hehe, i wont
[08:07] <matthew1429> im not that gullible
[08:08] <trakinas> matthew1429: the only differences are the kde specific apps/commands. like the one to use sudo with gui, i guess is kdsudo or smth close to it
[08:08] <matthew1429> ahh
[08:08] <coreymon77> matthew1429: the only difference between the *buntus are what desktop environment they use
[08:08] <matthew1429> vis a vis gksudo
[08:08] <coreymon77> matthew1429: exactly
[08:09] <coreymon77> matthew1429: you see, you already are getting the hang of it
[08:09] <anjos> hi
[08:09] <coreymon77> anjos: hi
[08:09] <anjos> tem alguem do brasil ai??
[08:10] <trakinas> anjos: eu
[08:10] <anjos> td bem?
[08:10] <coreymon77> !br| anjos
[08:10] <ubotu> anjos: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[08:10] <OP> no pero t entiendo ermano
[08:10] <trakinas> mas somente ingles aqui.
[08:10] <OP> no brezilia pero de colombia
[08:10] <coreymon77> i think
[08:10] <anjos> como?
[08:10] <trakinas> anjos: tudo certo. entra no ubuntu-br
[08:10] <anjos> como eu fao isso?
[08:10] <trakinas> OP: ola hermanito!
[08:10] <OP> :D
[08:10] <coreymon77> englsih!
[08:10] <trakinas> anjos: /j #ubuntu-br
[08:10] <anjos>  q eu sou iniciante
[08:11] <trakinas> anjos: okay. agora nao mais te responderei em portugues.
[08:11] <nosrednaekim> quiza #ubuntu-es
[08:11] <anjos> em
[08:11] <anjos> eu acho q to la
[08:11] <coreymon77> people, this is an english channel
[08:11] <OP> lol
[08:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah I know....I hate it when this hapens
[08:11] <trakinas> coreymon77: I know.
[08:11] <coreymon77> trakinas: talk in a pm
[08:11] <coreymon77> trakinas: talk to the eprson in a pm if you want to speak another language
[08:11] <faidillinger> i cannot stand the portuguese language, i dont know why
[08:11] <OP> JOIN #kubuntu-es
[08:12] <nosrednaekim> wanna explain in porteguese how to register you nick? lol
[08:12] <trakinas> coreymon77: i know. i was telling him to NOT SPEAK PORTUGUESE. hehe
[08:12] <coreymon77> why?
[08:12] <trakinas> faidillinger: where are you from?
[08:12] <trakinas> I can stand the french.
[08:12] <trakinas> *cant
[08:12] <faidillinger> trakinas: Paris, France
[08:12] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: what would you need that for
[08:12] <trakinas> faidillinger: freaking coincidence!
[08:12] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: to be able to provate message
[08:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: you are identified
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> I know....
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> never mind
[08:13] <trakinas> coreymon77: cause he cant talk portuguese here? or were you talking with faidillinger
[08:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: and besides, if you frequent a support channel such as this, like i do, i just set myself to unfiltered
[08:13] <faidillinger> being objective, there are much more reasons to be proud of being french than being portuguese
[08:13] <coreymon77> unreged nicks can pm me
[08:14] <trakinas> faidillinger: i wont go through this...
[08:14] <trpr> take it to offtopic :p
[08:14] <faidillinger> trakinas: you're right.... no need to go into this
[08:14] <faidillinger> sorry
[08:14] <trakinas> trotek: no need to go into this
[08:15] <trakinas> faidillinger: no problem! :] 
[08:15] <nosrednaekim> oops...
[08:15] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[08:15] <faidillinger> ...
[08:16] <SunStealth> Hey guys, got a question, how do I setup kopete to open my mailbox with firefox?
[08:16] <trakinas> SunStealth: in gmail?
[08:16] <SunStealth> In kopete
[08:16] <trakinas> SunStealth: your mail box...
[08:16] <faidillinger> SunStealth: you set firefox as your defalut browser
[08:16] <SunStealth> In kopete?
[08:16] <polypusher> hey
[08:17] <trakinas> SunStealth: yep
[08:17] <polypusher> no luck, didnt work
[08:17] <trakinas> polypusher: hello again
[08:17] <trakinas> hmm.. but got the msg?
[08:17] <polypusher> this is what the error said: Fatal server error, caught signal 11, server aborting
[08:18] <polypusher> could it be becuase im only using an 8MB swap space...just until ican back my windows up and remove it
[08:18] <trakinas> polypusher: i doubt it.
[08:18] <polypusher> ah ok
[08:19] <polypusher> my laptop native resolution is 1280x800, i heard there was an issue with intel chips and widescreens, do you think that could affect it?
[08:19] <trakinas> polypusher: it can be a broken Xorg install. you could try updating it or re-installing.
[08:20] <trakinas> polypusher: i really dont know... let's look for it on google! hehe
[08:20] <franco> hi people
[08:20] <trakinas> franco: hello
[08:20] <polypusher> ill try reinstalling, ill skip the packages for now, but when i want to the packages i.e. blender is it a case of double clicking some package file?
[08:21] <franco> I have to configure my wi-fi usb adapter... but it doesn't work. I tried with ndiswrapper, but it gave me an "invalid driver" answer. Now, I'mnot even able to remove that driver. I have an "unappropriate ioctl for device" answer
[08:21] <franco> any idea?
[08:21] <abattoir> franco: what card is it? which chipset?
[08:22] <trakinas> polypusher: you can reinstall *only* xorg. ;] 
[08:22] <trakinas> polypusher: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:22] <trakinas> ops
[08:22] <trakinas> wrong likn
[08:22] <trakinas> polypusher: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg352424.html
[08:22] <franco> abattoir, it's a usb adapter. Atlantis A02-UP-W54
[08:23] <polypusher> cheers, ill try that :)
[08:23] <thomax> hi y'all
[08:23] <trakinas> thomax:
[08:23] <trakinas> hi
[08:24] <thomax> anyone an idea whats best for the life extent of your hdd's, keem em spinning, or spindown after x time of inactivity?
[08:25] <thomax> spindow is something like shutdown, but it doesn't realy shuts down, it just stops spinning
[08:25] <polypusher> sorry, i read through that but i dont know how to install Xorg. this is only my second time installing linux :S
[08:25] <thomax> polypusher: sudo apt-get install xorg
[08:26] <polypusher> ah ok cheers, and thats it all. or do i need to do anything else?
[08:26] <matthew1429> okay, there are a bunch of unmet dependencies in medibuntu when trying to install various codecs
[08:26] <matthew1429> does anyone else recommend automatix or easyubuntu?
[08:26] <trakinas> polypusher: hey
[08:26] <matthew1429> i hear bad things about them
[08:26] <matthew1429> atleast on the ubuntu side of things
[08:27] <trakinas> polypusher: just dpkg-reconfigure x11-server-xorg or smth like this
[08:27] <polypusher> o ok cheers
[08:27] <trakinas> cheers
[08:27] <trakinas> matthew1429: i dont like nothing that is too much automatic
[08:28] <matthew1429> trakinas: how did you get mp3 support working then?  medibuntu isnt' working via command-line as I added the repos and there are "unmet dependencies" of which I try to locate but it puts me in a circle?
[08:29] <abattoir> franco: can't seem to find which chipset it uses. Can you try 'lsusb' in a terminal and pastebin the output?
[08:29] <abattoir> !pastebin
[08:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:29] <thomax> matthew1429: amarok has a mp3support package
[08:29] <trakinas> matthew1429: gstreamer
[08:30] <DexterF> !smb
[08:30] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:30] <abattoir> franco: are you sure there are not opensource drivers available for it? ndiswrapper is the only way?
[08:30] <matthew1429> yeah, it seems to lockup when I try to do it through the gui
[08:30] <matthew1429> gstreamer
[08:30] <matthew1429> okay
[08:30] <thomax> !mp3
[08:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:30] <thomax> !mp3 | matthew1429
[08:30] <ubotu> matthew1429: please see above
[08:31] <matthew1429> I did
[08:31] <matthew1429> thx
[08:31] <thomax> okay
[08:31] <polypusher> ok, its telling me that it wasnt updated, reinstalled or anything becuase its already upto date
[08:31] <polypusher> and the the second command didnt work
[08:31] <trakinas> geez... i think Ive "trashed" my install with one dpkg-reconfigure... ://
[08:31] <acemo> does anyone know a program for designing houses that runs on linux and windows?
[08:31] <polypusher> acemo, you could try blender
[08:32] <acemo> polypusher: tnx
[08:32] <trakinas> polypusher: hmmm...
[08:33] <xjkx> I installed tightvncserver and i am using ultravnc as client to run it from windows, everything is ok but.....the keyboard isnt configured ! wtf? if i run it locally the keyboard is ok, if remotely its not
[08:33] <thomax> acemo: use vmware and run autocad?
[08:33] <polypusher> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure x11 and its saying it isnt installed
[08:34] <trakinas> polypusher: maybe x11 isnt the exactly name. one sec
[08:34] <polypusher> ah ok cheers
[08:34] <acemo> thomax: would autocad be more easy to learn as blender?
[08:34] <thomax> dunno, it's quite pro
[08:34] <polypusher> ive  never used autocad, but im guessing blender might be a bit easier
[08:35] <polypusher> depends what previous experience youve had though
[08:35] <acemo> thomax: mm i dun really need a pro application, just a friend of me wants to do some basic house architecturing
[08:35] <trakinas> polypusher: but blender is a 3d tool, not a CAD tool...
[08:35] <trakinas> polypusher:  xserver-xorg-video-intel --  X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[08:35] <polypusher> thanks trakinas :)
[08:36] <matthew1429> do you guys use a vpn/vnc setup?
[08:36] <franco> abattoir: as far as I know, there aren't
[08:36] <matthew1429> i've heard alot of good things about hamachi
[08:36] <matthew1429> for vpn
[08:36] <thomax> matthew1429: why?
[08:36] <matthew1429> i guess vnc is a toss up
[08:36] <thomax> matthew1429: sudo apt-get install realvnc
[08:36] <thomax> !realvnc
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realvnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:37] <thomax> !vnc
[08:37] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[08:37] <trakinas> polypusher: xserver-xorg
[08:37] <trakinas> that's the name for the package to xorg.
[08:38] <polypusher> ah ok, ill try that
[08:38] <Solifugus> How can I set change screen resolution?  I just installed nvidia driver, but the System Settings->Monitor & Display only shows 1024x768... should be closer to 1600x1024
[08:38] <polypusher> its asking for X server driver
[08:39] <trakinas> polypusher: you could try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:39] <trakinas> or apt-get intall that-one-with-intel-i-showed-you
[08:39] <polypusher> i think this is the right thing, its asking for the VGA driver. but it only goes upto i810
[08:40] <chris_> help needed
[08:40] <chris_> :)
[08:40] <chris_> how do i make firefox default browser
[08:40] <chris_> dumb eh?
[08:40] <acemo> K -> system settings -> default applications -> browser
[08:40] <chris_> allright
[08:41] <polypusher>  i could try VGA, but im guessing i i will only get 640x480 etc
[08:41] <chris_> run in terminal?
[08:41] <chris_> what is it?
[08:41] <matthew1429> Amarok is better than anything I've run across
[08:41] <matthew1429> :)
[08:41] <chris_> amarok is cool
[08:42] <trakinas> polypusher: phone 1sec
[08:42] <polypusher> no probz
[08:42] <dthacker-lt> hi, is there a way to see what the live CD thinks my video card is?
[08:42] <Solifugus> Where can I change my runlevel?
[08:43] <trakinas> dthacker-lt: lspci | grep vga
[08:43] <trakinas> chris_: i hate amarol
[08:43] <trakinas> *amrok. :x
[08:43] <chris_> as long as im here do you know drivers for labtec
[08:43] <abattoir> Solifugus: init <no.>
[08:43] <trakinas> polypusher: look for intal on the list
[08:44] <chris_> trakinas ok anyone has its player
[08:44] <chris_> on wondows my preffered one was winamp
[08:44] <dthacker-lt> trakinas: no output from that command
[08:44] <chris_> a lot of people dont like it too
[08:44] <trakinas> chris_: go for audacious
[08:44] <abattoir> chris_: then try xmms
[08:44] <abattoir> chris_: it's a winamp clone
[08:44] <chris_> i already got xmms its cool
[08:44] <polypusher> its asking for keyboard variant, im configuring xserver. for laptop would it be 105?
[08:44] <trakinas> dthacker-lt: lspci only then
[08:44] <chris_> but amarok displays lyrics :D
[08:44] <trakinas> polypusher: count! xD
[08:44] <Solifugus> abattoir: so if i just want to not be in X, so I can run Xorg -configure (to determine what my video resolutions are)--what runlevel shoudl that be, 1?
[08:45] <trakinas> polypusher: jk... 105 usually has "win key"
[08:45] <chris_> does audacious play lyrics too? does it manage ipod too?
[08:45] <abattoir> Solifugus: what are you trying to do exactly?
[08:45] <trakinas> chris_: lyrics i think you can install external plugin. not sure abut ipod, though
[08:45] <came> quit
[08:45] <came> close
[08:45] <came> quit
[08:45] <came> q
[08:45] <hilltop> hello, just wondering who esr (Raymond) works for?
[08:45] <came> -q
[08:46] <trakinas> came: /quit
[08:46] <Solifugus> abattoir: find out what my highest resolution is so i can put in in xorg.conf
[08:46] <hilltop> looks like came is gone  :)
[08:46] <abattoir> hilltop: a bit offtopic, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Raymond might help
[08:46] <trakinas> Solifugus: how much inchees does yout monitor has?
[08:47] <hilltop> Thanks, I couldn't remember his whole name.  :/
[08:47] <abattoir> Solifugus: which card? which driver are you using?
[08:47] <chris_> eric s raymond is god
[08:47] <Solifugus> abattoir: because, even after installing nvidia drivers, kubuntu is showing 1024x768 as the highest.. It's a laptop that supports somewhere are 1600x1024
[08:47] <Solifugus> abattoir: a recend nvidia card
[08:47] <trakinas> Solifugus: just do "sudo nano /etc/xorg.conf" and then control+w
[08:48] <trakinas> type: 1024x768
[08:48] <abattoir> Solifugus: oh, ok, backup your old /etc/X11/xorg.conf and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[08:48] <DexterF> just installed xine.ui, kaffeine works fine but xine is all garbled. how come?
[08:48] <abattoir> Solifugus: choose the correct driver, and then see if you get the resolution you want
[08:48] <chris_> how do i compil a driver
[08:48] <trakinas> it will look for it on the file. then, add that resolution you want in front of 1024. of course, in the freq it supports. ;] 
[08:48] <abattoir> chris_: a driver for what?
[08:48] <chris_> webcam
[08:48] <Solifugus> abattoir: ok.. i will try that.. (I backed up xorg.conf prior to installing nvidia drivers, cause i noticed it doesn't automatically and screwed me that last time i tried this)
[08:48] <chris_> i got problems wiyth labtec webcam
[08:49] <trakinas> abattoir: is much easier to him only add his res on the file and saving it
[08:49] <jakub__> hello i always forget to take out my CD when shutting down my PC but then when i start it again it doesnt mount the CD and it is impossible to open the drive ... how can i find out how to fix it i tried to do: ................/$: sudo mount /dev/UNITNAME /cdrom                      ... but the unit name is a mystery for me ... can anybody help?
[08:49] <abattoir> trakinas: but we don't know which driver he is using... do we?
[08:49] <trakinas> abattoir: oh! my mistake
[08:49] <trakinas> :] 
[08:50] <trakinas> jakub__: 1st: mount (only)
[08:50] <abattoir> trakinas: he could ofcourse add the driver to the file too ;)
[08:50] <trakinas> to list which devices are mounted. then, after seeing where your cdrom is located, sudo umount /where/it/is
[08:50] <trakinas> abattoir: yep! :] 
[08:51] <Kobalts> Anyone know how to fix this error? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=466190  It has to do with corruption of database for update-desktop-database I think ?
[08:51] <ardchoille> jakub__: Open a terminal and type: blkid
[08:51] <sivaji> what will happen if i kill init process
[08:51] <jakub__> I cant recognize which one is supposed to be the cdrom drive
[08:52] <ardchoille> jakub__: Perhaps: cat /etc/fstab  ?
[08:52] <trakinas> oh, gosh! :/
[08:52] <jakub__> nothing like this in there
[08:52] <trakinas> i ran through a dpkg-reconfigure -a flumotion (my mistake...) to get an  AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Interface'
[08:52] <trakinas> :/
[08:53] <wrede> Do we have any krusader cracks here? I have a problem that is driving me insane
[08:53] <trpr> jakub__: try this. ls -l /dev/cdrom
[08:53] <trpr> jakub__: where does it point?
[08:53] <trakinas> sivaji: why will you want to kill it?
[08:53] <Solifugus> abattoir: the problem is, this thing is asking me what resolution... I want it to tell me..
[08:53] <trakinas> wrede: which one?
[08:53] <jakub__> hda
[08:54] <trpr> bizarre. i thought that usually designated main harddrive
[08:54] <trakinas> Solifugus: you choose.
[08:54] <abattoir> Solifugus: you don't see anything higher than 1024x768 ?
[08:54] <jakub__> but no HDA is in the mount list
[08:54] <trakinas> if you know how much yu can reach with your monitor, you choose te topest one.
[08:54] <abattoir> Solifugus: or rather the resolution that you want?
[08:54] <Solifugus> abattoir: sure.. all the way up to 1920x1440
[08:54] <abattoir> Solifugus: then choose what you want :)
[08:54] <jakub__> my Hard drives are all sda
[08:54] <Solifugus> I want the max I can get
[08:54] <trakinas> Solifugus: so, pick up those you know it supports. ;] 
[08:54] <ardchoille> jakub__: Are you on the livecd?
[08:55] <jakub__> nope
[08:55] <trpr> jakub__: same. i am pretty sure thats a sata thing
[08:55] <jakub__> i have installed from livecd but its on disk
[08:55] <wrede> trakinas: haha. Well I want to select directories with the keyboard so that I can copy them etc. I select them using the spacebar, but this causes the size of the directory to also be calculated which slows everything down. I just want to select the damn directory
[08:55] <jakub__> i suppose
[08:56] <trpr> just my cdrom is scd0. all my drives show up as some s* device
[08:56] <trakinas> wrede: well... if i understand what you want... just control+click it and copy...?
[08:56] <jakub__> last time i tried to du sudo mount /dev/hda /cdrom but it wrote something about no permission to write to DISK and than it collapsed
[08:56] <polypusher> its still not working, guess it must be an issue with my chipset :(
[08:56] <jakub__> *do
[08:56] <trakinas> jakub__: thats correct
[08:56] <wrede> trakinas: No I want to use the keyboard and not the mouse. Just using the keyboard is quicker
[08:57] <jakub__> but it doesnt work
[08:57] <trakinas> is t smth like this?
[08:57] <franco> hi again, people
[08:58] <franco> ehr, sorry for the question, but: I have a folder named "Windows 2000". How can I indicate it via shell? just like, "cd Windows 2000"
[08:58] <polypusher> right, now im getting in the xserver error. driver cant support depth 24
[08:58] <polypusher> and (0) screens found
[08:58] <trpr> franco: cd "Windows 2000" or use a \ in front of each space. cd Windows\ 2000
[08:58] <abattoir> franco: 'cd Windows\ 2000'
[08:58] <trakinas> polypusher: one sec
[08:58] <polypusher> ok sure
[08:59] <abattoir> franco: or just type Windows and hit <tab>
[08:59] <franco> thanks
[08:59] <jakub__> hey only now it works
[08:59] <abattoir> franco: (assuming you don't have any other folder beginning with Windows)
[08:59] <jakub__> sry for disturbing you
[08:59] <trakinas> jakub__: mount: device block /dev/scd0 is write protected ; monting read-only
[09:00] <trakinas> jakub__: np
[09:00] <trakinas> polypusher: okay!
[09:00] <N9NU> does anyone know if I need a special driver for grub to install to by HD0, which is RAID 0 Running Vista (sata drives)
[09:00] <N9NU> My linux drive is # 4 out of 4
[09:00] <trakinas> polypusher: do you know how mcuh deph does your screen supports
[09:00] <polypusher> it supports 32 in windows
[09:00] <N9NU> nvidia mobo
[09:00] <polypusher> ah, i should have choose 16 :(
[09:00] <trakinas> polypusher: try using dpeth of 32.
[09:01] <polypusher> it only goes upto 24 on the options
[09:01] <trakinas> polypusher: hehe! dont worry... is juts that xorg does not likes you.
[09:01] <trakinas> polypusher: did you install that intel package i told you?
[09:02] <karel> Hi friends. I am just lurking. Greetings fron South Africa!
[09:02] <trakinas> polypusher: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:02] <polypusher> trakinas, nope. il do that now :)
[09:02] <polypusher> soz
[09:02] <trakinas> karel: greetings!
[09:02] <trakinas> polypusher: np!
[09:02] <dthacker-lt> hello karel!
[09:02] <trakinas> (are you booting and rebooting from your laptop?)
[09:03] <polypusher> nope, using another pc to type this
[09:03] <trpr> at some point i used a utility to fix problems with my intel i915, allowing me to use the highest (native resolution) which didn't appear before. anyone happen to know what name that utility goes by, or if its even still required?
[09:03] <trakinas> polypusher: awesome! =D
[09:04] <polypusher> i got to go soon :*(. ill quickly try this
[09:04] <dthacker-lt> ah installation is done.  now it's time for video pain.
[09:04] <trakinas> trpr: i think there's a topic on the bot.
[09:04] <trakinas> !intel
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <trakinas> !xorg
[09:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:05] <trakinas> dthacker-lt: long time i dont go through video pain my self. yay
[09:05] <trakinas> *myself
[09:05] <trakinas> polypusher: me too. in 30 minutes
[09:05] <dthacker-lt> trakinas: I have dual monitors, once I get those up, life will be good.
[09:05] <trakinas> dthacker-lt: \o/
[09:06] <polypusher> im typing xserver-xorg-vdeo-intel
[09:06] <trpr> ah. yeah. thanks :)
[09:06] <polypusher> but its saying no command found
[09:06] <trakinas> polypusher: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:06] <polypusher> ah ok, i feel daft :( lol
[09:06] <trakinas> of course, with sudo in front of it
[09:06] <trakinas> polypusher: np! ;] 
[09:06] <trakinas> my mistake too
[09:07] <polypusher> E: package xserver-xorg-video-intel has not installation candidate?
[09:07] <edgy> Hi, in konqueror there is an option of "prompt as needed" on the proxy authentication settings but the other option on which to set the login info is always disabled, why?
[09:07] <trakinas> hmmmmmm... one sec
[09:07] <polypusher> i need disc right?
[09:07] <polypusher> CD
[09:08] <trakinas> polypusher: no... strange.
[09:08] <trakinas> are you connect into net with your laptop?
[09:08] <polypusher> hmm, maybe i could try with i9xx?
[09:08] <dthacker-lt> ok, when PC starts, both monitors display same image, when X starts, right one starts flashing funny colors, card is seen as NV18GL.
[09:09] <dthacker-lt> What do I check first?
[09:09] <trakinas> polypusher: no no! here it found the package.
[09:09] <polypusher> so you think i should reinstall?
[09:09] <trakinas> dthacker-lt: no idea! never worked with dual screen. =(
[09:09] <trakinas> polypusher: no. if it cant find, it is not cached...
[09:10] <trakinas> polypusher: if you have internet connection on you laptop, try "apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video-intel" without the quotes.
[09:10] <trakinas> if not, try with the cd on your drive. ;] 
[09:11] <polypusher> it says package is not avaible but is referred to by another package
[09:11] <polypusher> :S
[09:11] <spence> does kubuntu include an applet that monitors the cpu/hd/video temperature on notebooks?
[09:12] <trakinas> polypusher: i forgot what that means. ha!
[09:12] <trakinas> spence: not that i know, but you can add adesklets and get laptops monitors here: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net
[09:13] <rdw200169> can you guys help me with something?
[09:13] <trpr> spence: superkaramba might have something like that
[09:13] <trpr> spence: at least it offers a ton of system monitors. not sure they are monitoring what you want
[09:13] <spence> trpr, trakinas: thanks for the info, i'll take a look
[09:14] <dthacker-lt> !xwindows
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xwindows - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <dthacker-lt> !xorg
[09:14] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:15] <trakinas> spence: i prefer adesklet, since it is light weight
[09:15] <polypusher> still doesnt work with CD in drive
[09:15] <trakinas> rdw200169: dont ask to ask
[09:15] <trakinas> polypusher: you need updating your package tree... one sec
[09:15] <polypusher> o ok cheers.
[09:16] <trakinas> polypusher: apt-get update...
[09:17] <kheremet> Hi, could you help me with apt-get? I can't install anything apt-get update works well, but install does not work, I always get a message "E: Cannot find the package"
[09:17] <trakinas> kheremet: are you sure about the package name?
[09:17] <kheremet> hmm, I'll check....
[09:17] <trakinas> rdw200169: just ask...
[09:18] <trakinas> kheremet: apt-cache search anythinghere
[09:18] <polypusher>  it looks like every package says could not resolve
[09:18] <trakinas> polypusher: hmmm.. so, not updating the packs list, eh?? with internet connection?
[09:19] <rdw200169> have any of you heard of this: Unexpected end of data, some information may be lost.
[09:19] <rdw200169> as is related to HTTP traffic
[09:19] <rdw200169> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89435
[09:19] <polypusher> my laptop isnt connected, it couldnt connect to my router, probably the wifi chip drivers
[09:19] <trakinas> polypusher: ah! try apt-cdrom install ...
[09:20] <polypusher> ah ok :D
[09:21] <polypusher> E: invalid operation install
[09:21] <polypusher> :S
[09:21] <trakinas> polypusher: heehehe. i was guessing
[09:22] <polypusher> ah ok lol. hmm is there anyway to point the installer to the source?
[09:23] <trakinas> you mean, the source not the deb? you could also download the deb from ubuntu site and install it manually.
[09:23] <trakinas> i mean, if you can get internet connection with the router
[09:24] <kheremet> trakinas, I think I have the right package name, I'm trying to download Aldrin tracker --> http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/aldrin/wiki/AldrinDownloads
[09:24] <polypusher> hm i could do. maybe an reiunstall would be easier
[09:24] <trakinas> kheremet: i cant find it on my tree...
[09:25] <trakinas> kheremet: you ahve to add their local repository
[09:26] <trakinas> polypusher: well... it could do, but if it has the intel driver...
[09:26] <kheremet> trakinas, i have added this one deb http://deb.zeitherrschaft.org/feisty binary/
[09:26] <trakinas> polypusher: if you dont mind trying reintasling...
[09:26] <trakinas> kheremet: what about the source?
[09:26] <trakinas> ops
[09:26] <trakinas> my mistake... :P
[09:26] <kheremet> hmm, source?
[09:26] <foo25> Hey, can you get a non gui installtion for Kubuntu like Ubuntu, because I can't boot the live CD properly on my laptop =S
[09:27] <trakinas> kheremet: there's no source for feisty faw. never mind...
[09:27] <trakinas> kheremet: and apt-get update? ran it?
[09:27] <polypusher> ill do that, see what happens. maybe it was something i done during install. i know ubuntu live CD didnt work on my laptopo either though :S
[09:27] <trakinas> hehe! i never used or tryed ubuntu studio, so I dont know.
[09:28] <dthacker-lt> How do I activate the Detect Monitor button on the Choose monitor dialog?
[09:28] <trakinas> in any case, download the deb and install it manually.
[09:28] <tdn> It takes very long to establish SSH connections on my LAN. I have the output from "ssh -vvv host" here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P596.html. Why does this happen? What can I do to fix it?
[09:28] <foo25> Anyone got any ideas?
[09:28] <jermain> if i want to mount a device how do i identify the device?
[09:28] <polypusher> trakinas, deb? is that like a package for ubuntu.
[09:28] <dthacker-lt> tdn: could be DNS.  do a traceroute and see how well it resolves your target
[09:29] <foo25> WOW! The Kubuntu live CD randomly worked after about 20 trys! =D
[09:29] <tdn> dthacker-lt, I am on my own small LAN. I do not use DNS.
[09:29] <dawall_> jermain: thedevice would be listed under /dev
[09:29] <tdn> dthacker-lt, is it waiting for DNS in the output on that paste?
[09:29] <trakinas> polypusher: is like a package for any debian based distro
[09:29] <trakinas> polypusher: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:30] <jermain> ah ty dawall
[09:30] <dthacker-lt> tdn: didn't see the paste.  can you ping the other box?
[09:30] <tdn> dthacker-lt, yes.
[09:30] <polypusher> could u have the link again plz. IE crashed :(
[09:30] <dwidmann> foo25: 25 tries? ouch
[09:30] <trakinas> polypusher: ie?????????
[09:31] <dawall_> jermain: if it's a harddrive you need to partition it first and set a filesystem to it
[09:31] <kheremet> trakinas, the address is in apt-get update list
[09:31] <trakinas> polypusher: go firefox
[09:31] <trakinas> =P
[09:31] <polypusher> yea, im on windows. its not my comp
[09:31] <tdn> dthacker-lt, also, I do not use DNS. I just use ssh tdn@10.0.0.30.
[09:31] <trakinas> polypusher: i install firefox whatever is my pc or not. :x
[09:31] <trakinas> polypusher: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:31] <trakinas> you probably already have the deps.
[09:31] <DexterF> !gtk
[09:31] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[09:31] <DexterF> !themes
[09:31] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:32] <DexterF> !changethemes
[09:32] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[09:32] <trakinas> kheremet: well, if you alread did apt-get update, it should work
[09:32] <dthacker-lt> tdn: then its probably not DNS, sorry
[09:32] <polypusher> lol FF is way better :)
[09:32] <DexterF> hm. how do I change gtk2 themes in kubuntu?
[09:32] <polypusher> ok im installing again, see what happens
[09:32] <dthacker-lt> How do I enable the Detect Monitor button on the Choose Monitor Dialog
[09:32] <trakinas> right!
[09:33] <kheremet> trakinas, I'm a newbie, but I think I have done everything as I'm supposed to
[09:33] <trakinas> kheremet: remember. the package name is aldrin only. all in lowcase
[09:33] <kheremet> yep
[09:33] <trakinas> kheremet: in anycase, try apt-get update again.
[09:33] <polypusher> trakinas, do i need to have this driver on CD first?
[09:33] <trakinas> then: apt-cache search aldrin
[09:33] <trakinas> polypusher: no way! ;] 
[09:34] <trakinas> polypusher: i mean, it should come with. but you can install whenever you need/want
[09:34] <polypusher> ah ok :)
[09:34] <oslo> hi
[09:35] <polypusher> hey
[09:35] <jermain> dawall_: i'm looking for my external hdd
[09:35] <polypusher> for the partition setup, im using a /root and swap. should i be using media thing aswell?
[09:36] <dawall_> jermain: is it a regular IDE drive??
[09:36] <jermain> i know it is probably sda1, but i need a way to find out
[09:36] <jermain> its just on the usb
[09:37] <joe__> my USB external shows up as /dev/sda
[09:37] <dawall_> jermain: ok, then I'm not quite sure how to find it. I'a quite new at this, but I try...  =)
[09:37] <oslo> on a ftp server, WITH Konqueror: i can create Files&Folders, i can Modify Files&Folders, i can erase folders BUT i CAN'T erase Files ! with another client like kasablanca all is fine ( exept that there another probleme, with casablanca u can't cut & paste, only copy & paste )
[09:37] <jermain> dawall_ live and learn my friend ^^
[09:37] <dawall_> I do
[09:37] <oslo> could someone think he could help ?
[09:37] <oslo> *does
[09:38] <jermain> nul131:where did you find out your ext. hdd was sda?
[09:38] <trakinas> polypusher: no need for it, but i advice using one /mohe partition
[09:38] <trakinas> *home
[09:38] <dawall_> jermain: I'm trying to get a Wireless USB adapter to work myself but I don't know how...  Maybe anyone here has got some tips?
[09:39] <chris_> how to delete a directpry?
[09:39] <polypusher> ah ok. im repaartiomomg the drive
[09:39] <jermain> dawall_: looks like we're in the same boat then
[09:39] <trakinas> chris_: rm -rf /name/of/it
[09:39] <jermain> :p
[09:39] <dawall_> hehe =)
[09:39] <trakinas> becareful! it wont ask for confirmation
[09:39] <jermain> i'll let you know if i find out
[09:40] <nul131> It automounted the first time, but I think that's pretty standard for USB mass storage driver. I'll bet you can find a line in your logs when you insert the device.
[09:40] <oslo> chris_> rm -dr yourdirectory ?
[09:40] <chris_> oki
[09:40] <chris_> :)
[09:40] <oslo> chris_> u could have try rm --help or man rm :p
[09:41] <dawall_> man in front of any command is the best way to learn all about it
[09:41] <chris_> it worked thanx
[09:41] <chris_> ;)
[09:42] <jwallingford> ok i am trying to untar a file to the /opt directory. im in konsole. i have typed "sudo tar -xf tarfile.tar.gz /opt
[09:42] <jwallingford> is that not correct?
[09:42] <trakinas> jwallingford: im pretty sure it is
[09:42] <trakinas> jwallingford: any case, tar --help
[09:43] <jwallingford> im getting an error
[09:43] <jwallingford> that is what --help told me to do :)
[09:43] <jwallingford> the error is /opt not found in archive
[09:43] <trakinas> jwallingford: which error?
[09:43] <nul131> "tar zxf tarfile.tar.gz" to unzip it as it untars
[09:44] <jwallingford> tar zxf or tar -zxf?
[09:44] <nul131> actually either works I think
[09:44] <nul131> tar is old enough that its command line options are quite cryptic and inconsistent
[09:45] <jwallingford> ok i get same error with zxf
[09:45] <jwallingford> i am doing this from the desktop... do i need to do "sudo tar -zxf tarfile.tar.gz ../opt
[09:45] <jwallingford> or something like that?
[09:46] <trakinas> jwallingford: does opt dir exists?
[09:46] <jwallingford> yes
[09:46] <nul131> don't put the destination. just cd to the directory where you want to extract
[09:46] <nul131> if you want to give a destination you have to use the "-C" option
[09:46] <jwallingford> so "sudo tar zxf -c tarfile.tar.gz /opt
[09:47] <nul131> "sudo tar zxf tarfile.tar.gz -C /opt" I think
[09:48] <jwallingford> nul131: ok when i do that i get "You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option"
[09:49] <nul131> Then just do "cd /opt ; sudo tar zxf tarfile.tar.gz"
[09:49] <oslo> jwallingford> try  zxcf
[09:49] <nul131> x = extract, c = create, can't use both in one command line
[09:49] <oslo> nul131> oop
[09:49] <nul131> if you're just in the directory you want to extract to you don't have to specify the destination
[09:50] <jwallingford> im not in the directory i want to extract to
[09:50] <trakinas> jwallingford: one sec
[09:51] <jwallingford> ok i just moved the file to the /opt dir and that works
[09:51] <jwallingford> :)
[09:51] <jwallingford> makes things easier
[09:52] <nul131> yeah, usually in that situation I do "cd /destination/folder ; sudo tar vzxf /path/to/tarfile.tar.gz" that way the tarball can be in any directory, just give the full path
[09:53] <jwallingford> how do you make it so that when you untar it will overwrite any files that are already in that directory under the same name?
[09:53] <nul131> it will always do that by default
[09:53] <jwallingford> i am trying to upgrade thunderbird from v 1.5 to v 2 :)
[09:53] <compilerwriter> I would think that would be in the f  flag jwallingford
[09:54] <jwallingford> f flag?
[09:54] <nul131> compilerwriter: no, it isn't.
[09:54] <jwallingford> ok when i do the tar -zxf i get this error
[09:54] <jwallingford> tar: thunderbird/components/xpcom_threads.xpt: Cannot open: File exists
[09:54] <jwallingford> tar: Skipping to next header
[09:54] <nul131> f is the option that tells tar to use a file instead of the tape device...
[09:54] <compilerwriter> vzxf are flags to the tar command jwallingford
[09:56] <nul131> yeah, in that case v = verbose z = gzip x = extract f = file i/o (instead of tape)
[09:56] <trakinas> polypusher: any success?
[09:56] <compilerwriter> ah the f is a flag for fielname and not force nul131
[09:57] <polypusher> trakinas, im off now. thanks for the help :)
[09:57] <nul131> yeah, because by default tar tries to mess with your tape device, you pretty much need f for every tar command unless you're messing with tapes
[09:57] <polypusher> trakinas, nah not yet. i got an error install base system, but ill try ubuntu and see what happens
[09:57] <polypusher> laters man, take care
[09:57] <compilerwriter> Gawd tar is old.
[09:57] <trakinas> polypusher: you are welcome! okay! anyways... we are here to help. hehe
[09:58] <nul131> I wish there was a good way to get rid of cruft like tar without breaking everything
[09:58] <polypusher> lol good, ill probably be back :P
[09:58] <polypusher> cya
[09:58] <trakinas> cheers
[09:58] <compilerwriter> tar=Tape ARchive
[09:58] <compilerwriter> doh
[09:59] <nul131> Yeah, isn't it about time to move on from all the old backwards UNIX garbage?
[10:02] <trakinas> compilerwriter: i have a shirt where it says: unix is sexy
[10:02] <nul131> My favorite example of that is tabs in makefiles... Supposedly the creator realized it was a bad idea almost right away, but didn't want to change it because he already had 10 users and didn't want to break their makefiles...
[10:03] <compilerwriter> then nul131 we have the more utility, which was useful for what it was intended to do; but then some smartass had to come along and write less.
[10:04] <trakinas> compilerwriter: it says: http://a967.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01524/66/96/1524936966_l.png
[10:05] <compilerwriter> trakinas I see a black shirt but nothing on the thing.
[10:05] <trakinas> compilerwriter: you cant read what is write on?
[10:06] <trakinas> it in green... oO
[10:06] <compilerwriter> nope.
[10:07] <trakinas> anyways, it says: unzip; strip; touch; grep \ finger; mount; fsck; \ more; yes; umount; sleep;
[10:07] <compilerwriter> null131 aren't there better things than make theses days.
[10:08] <compilerwriter> Where did you get that tshirt trakinas.  I need to get one of my own.  Think I will wear it to Sunday School.
[10:10] <trakinas> compilerwriter: in a local webstore. there are other variants.
[10:10] <compilerwriter> send the link over.
[10:11] <trakinas> compilerwriter: the webpage is out of service right now...
[10:11] <trakinas> but is is a brazilian store. hehe
[10:12] <trakinas> *it
[10:13] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.tuxman.de/product_info.php/language/en/products_id/78/product/T-Shirt-Linux-is-sexy-
[10:14] <Daisuke_Ido> a little more in-depth, i suppose, with wine and make clean
[10:14] <Mark_Shuttlewort> hello
[10:14] <weswh-work> can anyone offer any advice on setting up x264 encoded video to play smoothely? Kaffeine seems to have an impossible time with the file (choppy, green artifacts, sound problems), mplayer goes smoothely for maybe 20 seconds, and then starts having buffer errors. I am on Fesity, a 2500+ AMD, ATA100 HD, 1.5ram, 128mb geforce 6200. I *think* the system should be able to handle it...
[10:15] <hatta> :o
[10:15] <hatta> why on earth would you need to reinstall because of that?
[10:16] <Mark_Shuttlewort> is nalioth  here
[10:16] <dthacker-lt> hatta: To eliminate my foolishness as a cause for the next set of problems
[10:16] <trakinas> Daisuke_Ido: one of the variants. =P
[10:17] <hatta> I just don't see how you could screw it up that badly
[10:17] <Daisuke_Ido> here? yes.  active?  not to my knowledge, at least not right now
[10:18] <ubuntu_> HI
[10:18] <dthacker-lt> hatta: I'm not sure which driver to install, can't get the system settings to auto-detect, and can't get my second monitor to work. But it *is* a beautiful day outside...
[10:19] <Daisuke_Ido> drop back to nv if you're not sure
[10:19] <yknott> dthacker-lt: nv should work
[10:19] <Daisuke_Ido> and i don't think it supports multi-monitor
[10:19] <dthacker-lt> Daisuke_Ido: nv definitely did not work
[10:19] <Daisuke_Ido> then something is seriously wrong.
[10:19] <dthacker-lt> second monitor just flashed pretty colors
[10:19] <Daisuke_Ido> like i said
[10:19] <hatta> I don't know how reinstalling is going to fix any of that
[10:19] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't support multi-monitor
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> get one working first
[10:20] <hatta> try using the nvidia installer before reinstalling
[10:20] <dthacker-lt> one works fine
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> then worry about the second.
[10:20] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how i can get my wireless working on KUbuntu??? PLEASE HELP
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i think twinview is the thing you should be looking into
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu_: you're gonna have to be a teensy bit more specific than that
[10:21] <hatta> this isn't windows where reinstalling is the first and last step in troubleshooting
[10:21] <dthacker-lt> Ok, my greek chorus.  I have a fresh install right now.  What is the *first* thing I should do to get the second monitor working
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> hatta: half right
[10:21] <ubuntu_> cisco aironet wifi card
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> hatta: it *is* the LAST step :)
[10:21] <hatta> heh
[10:21] <hatta> fair enough
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> that should never have to be taken...  usually
[10:21] <ubuntu_> can't seem to get ndiswrapper 1.44 installed
[10:21] <ubuntu_> corrrecctly
[10:22] <Daisuke_Ido> what was your vid card?
[10:22] <hatta> I did have to reinstall recently because of a broken grub
[10:22] <Daisuke_Ido> the 6200?
[10:22] <hatta> oh how I tried
[10:22] <dthacker-lt> Daisuke_Ido: NV Quadro 4
[10:22] <hatta> there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth
[10:22] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu.. does the one installed by default not work?
[10:22] <ubuntu_> nope
[10:22] <ubuntu_> i had  the same problem with suse10.2
[10:23] <ubuntu_> the only distro that works out of  the  box for me was Mandriva2007
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> dthacker-lt: start by installing nvidia-glx
[10:23] <dthacker-lt> ok apt-getting.  back shortly
[10:24] <ubuntu_> suse 10.2 detects the wifi card but  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD i could not get it to connect to  the  accesss poinnt
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: hmm... well then I doubt 1.44 is going to help.
[10:25] <dthacker-lt> I'm not sure how much influent dieties have on wireless access points
[10:26] <ubuntu_> thanks nos....
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> sometimes it seems like voodoo....
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: whats your chipset?
[10:27] <ubuntu_> will research somemore or reinstall Mandriva.. the problem with mandriva is.... i can't  geet hamachi instaalled
[10:27] <ubuntu_> not sure off the top of my head
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> ok
[10:29] <ubuntu_> peace everyone
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> yup
[10:29] <Mark_Shuttlewort> is nalioth  here
[10:30] <dthacker-lt> there's this list of users on the side of your client....
[10:30] <trakinas> Mark_Shuttlewort: yep
[10:30] <gabrydoc3> ola
[10:30] <Daisuke_Ido> again, here but not currently active
[10:30] <trakinas> nalioth. Mark_Shuttlewort wants to talk with you
[10:30] <trakinas> gabrydoc3: ol!
[10:30] <DaSkreech> trakinas: what about the shuttling of warts?
[10:30] <dthacker-lt> Daisuke_Ido: ok, nvidia-glx is in.  going to tutorial
[10:31] <trakinas> DaSkreech: ??
[10:31] <canas_> we
[10:31] <canas_> mi leggi pd
[10:31] <gabrydoc3> scoppiato
[10:31] <trakinas> canas_: ciao!
[10:31] <canas_> ciao trakina
[10:31] <canas_> abbiamo un newbie
[10:31] <canas_> di nome gabrydoc3
[10:31] <Daisuke_Ido> dthacker-lt: good luck :)
[10:31] <canas_> aiutatelo pls
[10:31] <canas_> :D
[10:32] <Daisuke_Ido> !it
[10:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:32] <trakinas> canas_: you cant speak italian here, sorry. pvt
[10:32] <canas_> ok
[10:32] <Daisuke_Ido> trakinas: take care
[10:32] <trakinas> bye! ciao! tchau! hasta la vista!
[10:32] <trakinas> Daisuke_Ido: thanks! you too
[10:33] <binvij> hi
[10:33] <binvij> need help with configuring pppoe in kubunt
[10:33] <binvij> can anyone please help me
[10:35] <dthacker-lt> Daisuke_Ido: do I still need to run the install, or has apt done the install for me?
[10:36] <stefan_> romania
[10:36] <stefan_> pe aici
[10:36] <Daisuke_Ido> the install is done
[10:36] <dthacker-lt> ok, on to config then
[10:37] <permanewb> hello. how can I clear a kde session from outside of kde, e.g. gnome is my current desktop, I want to clear the kde session then switch to kde desktop.
[10:38] <yknott> permanewb: what do you mean by clearing the session
[10:39] <permanewb> logging in from kdm, something is saved in my session that causes the machine to shutdown. I want to remove all of the saved applications from the session so I can log in with kde
[10:41] <ctroyer> im trying to install moodbar for amarok.....i have installed fftw3....but when running ./configure, i get this error...checking for fftw3f >= 3.0... configure: error: you need the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West installed !
[10:41] <yknott> permanewb: i do not know where the session data is stored; perhaps someone else can help
[10:41] <crimsun> ctroyer: so install fftw3-dev
[10:41] <ctroyer> k...i'll try that
[10:42] <ctroyer> crimsun...thx that did the trick.....
[10:42] <doug> Question, is there any easy way to also load the Gnome desktop and libraries that go along with itk, so that you can start x in Gnome instead of KDE if desired?
[10:43] <yknott> doug: yes
[10:43] <yknott> doug: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop   (or xubuntu-desktop for that matter)
[10:44] <yknott> doug: then pick 'gnome' from the login manager
[10:44] <doug> thank you ynott
[10:46] <dthacker-lt> Daisuke_Ido: Brilliant!  Twinview is up. Thanks!
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> dthacker-lt: congratulatoins :)
[10:50] <Daisuke_Ido> and i just discovered i have two 10gb hard drives sitting here
[10:50] <permanewb> I think I don't have anything precious to save. I'll try deleting the .kde directory
[10:51] <permanewb> or mv to save.kde I mean
[10:51] <permanewb> thanks
[10:51] <Daisuke_Ido> and an older 600mhz pc...  and a spare well-supported wireless card...  may be building me a myth front-end :D
[10:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it will be ugly, but effective
[10:51] <NetersLandreau> what is the trick to getting fiesty to recognize the intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card?
[10:53] <spider> jeste ktos z polski
[10:53] <spider> ??
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !pl | spider
[10:53] <ubotu> spider: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> dthacker-lt: actually, i'm thinking i might not need myth...  i'm not looking for tv tuning or real pvr functionality, all i want to do is watch movies and tv series i have in here out in the living room
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> there's bound to be a better way to achieve just that
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> but myth's just so nice...  i'm torn
[10:57] <dthacker-lt> yes myth is nice.  The LUG was using mythdora for setup.   I'd probably do an ubuntu setup for fun
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> mythbuntu and knoppmyth are both supposed to be easy to set up (both are debian based, for one)
[10:58] <dthacker-lt> yah, debian based has me spoiled.
[10:59] <Daisuke_Ido> actually the only thing about it that has me spoiled is apt
[10:59] <Daisuke_Ido> if i had to deal with rpms again...  that's what drove me away from linux for five years.
[11:00] <Daisuke_Ido> should bust out the old machine...  it has xubuntu installed already
[11:00] <Daisuke_Ido> but i'm thinking it will need more ram than its measly 192mb if it's going to be decoding video :\
[11:03] <dthacker-lt> Daisuke_Ido: thanks again and good luck on the myth box.  Time to put the desk together and finish configuring.  Good Day!
[11:09] <tdn> What type of SSH keys do you recommend me using?
[11:15] <imagine> tdn: tsa?
[11:16] <tdn> imagine, tsa? Never heard of it. The man page for ssh-keygen does not mention id.
[11:16] <tdn> imagine, /id/it/
[11:22] <colkhis> I am booting from kubuntu livecd, it's trying to load broadband wiriless card driver and failes. can I make it to ignore this error?
[11:27] <greg_g> colkhis: probably, I don't know how though ;)
[11:28] <colkhis> it is going on forever
[11:36] <dwidmann> colkhis: if you know what driver it tries to load you could try blacklisting it
[11:37] <ejortegau> hi guys
[11:38] <dwidmann> hiya
[11:39] <ejortegau> just installed ubuntu server... two things going wrong so far: 1) does not load network card module; i have to do it by hand. 2) since this also happened during install.. it failed configuring network for dhcp. how do i configure it now?
[11:40] <ejortegau> ( i think that was just one thing)
[11:42] <colkhis> dwidmann: the error message is " [ ]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed"
[11:43] <dwidmann> colkhis: if you can, open up the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist with either "kdesu kate" or "sudo nano", or can't you get that far?
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: put it in /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: I think thats what you do...
[11:44] <ejortegau> nosrednaekim: will stay there after packages being updated?
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: If it does what I think it does.. then yes
[11:45] <dwidmann> blacklisting is permanent, or until you remove it from the blacklist file and reboot anyway
[11:45] <ejortegau> nosrednaekim: and any clues on how i configure the network now? second time i install ubuntu, and i didn't expect the server version NOT to have X
[11:45] <colkhis> dwidmann: I can not get that far. when it happens I don't have working kubuntu yet
[11:45] <dwidmann> colkhis: can you get in on the livecd without issue?
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: if its wired... then just run "sudo dhclient eth0"
[11:46] <ejortegau> yeah, it's wired... that will get it working this time... i need it to work after reboot without having to run that again
[11:46] <ejortegau> i guess the question is... where does ubuntu store it's network configuration?
[11:47] <ejortegau> and another one, how do i install x11? :-P
[11:47] <jthomas_> ejortegau: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:48] <ejortegau> thanks
[11:48] <jthomas_> ejortegau: add this: auto eth0 (next line) iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:48] <jthomas_> ejortegau: X11 is the graphics that KDE etc, do you have KDE or Gnome or XFCE running?
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: well.. if you just want minimalistic x...  get xubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <colkhis> dwimann: I boot from cd, then choose safe graphic mode, it gives me messages about setting kymap preparing driversmounting filesystem, etc ...
[11:49] <ejortegau> i installed ubuntu server... startx: command not found
[11:49] <colkhis> then I get a prompt for short time
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: if you want kde, get "kubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <jthomas_> ejortegau: sudo apt-get install kde-base
[11:49] <colkhis> than screen blanks and it starts loading bcm43xx
[11:49] <dwidmann> colkhis: let me check something, there should be a way around th is
[11:49] <ejortegau> do u recommend kde, gnome or xfce?
[11:50] <dwidmann> ejortegau: it's a rather biased channel to be asking that question ;)
[11:50] <ejortegau> can't find package kde-base
[11:50] <ejortegau> oh
[11:50] <ejortegau> yeah
[11:50] <ejortegau> kubuntu
[11:50] <ejortegau> :D
[11:50] <dwidmann> ejortegau: how about kdebase, without the
[11:50] <dwidmann> *-
[11:50] <ejortegau> yep, that worked...
[11:51] <ejortegau> that should install de X11 dependences as well, right?
[11:51] <dwidmann> ejortegau: no, I don't think so
[11:51] <jthomas_> or ejortegau if you want a very minimal setup, read this: http://tuxoblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/ubuntu-light.html
[11:51] <dwidmann> ejortegau: you'll want to have "xorg" and "xserver-xorg" both installed also
[11:51] <jthomas_> ejortegau: i reccommend reading that link but install kde-base instead of ubuntu-base
[11:51] <colkhis> dwidmann: can I do something like: bcm43xx=no_probe?
[11:51] <ejortegau> will do, thanks
[11:51] <dwidmann> colkhis: that's what I'll be checking
[11:52] <dwidmann> colkhis: Hmm, now's a time I really wish I would have taken the time to re-setup vmware-server
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: just get kubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <jthomas_> ejortegau: as you can see, everyone knows what is best but its always different!  thats part of what makes Free Software a democracy
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> haha....but i AM RIGHT! lol
[11:53] <jthomas_> and so am I!
[11:53] <ejortegau> hahaha... yeah, i'm not that new to linux... just to ubuntu. i used to use slackware.
[11:54] <SeanTater> For every packet sent or received, I get two.. Whether someone else pings me or I ping someone else. What is causing this?
[11:54] <jwallingford> how do i install a .rpm in kubuntu?
[11:54] <maelcum> jwallingford: not?
[11:54] <SeanTater> jwallingford: you can convert it, but a deb is better
[11:54] <maelcum> jwallingford: alien can convert package formats iirc
[11:55] <jthomas_> jwallingford: its not recommended... you could try converting it to a .deb with alien but... i would look for a native .deb for kubuntu...
[11:55] <jwallingford> i have been trying like hell to get thunderbird 2.0 to install for the last 2 days and cant find a way to do it. i thought maybe i could just use a .rpm file of 2.0
[11:55] <SeanTater> !apt
[11:55] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:55] <jthomas_> SeanTater: it looks like your network card is also sending to itself maybe?
[11:55] <SeanTater> !adept > jwallingford
[11:56] <SeanTater> jwallingford: You want apt. It installs all that for you
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: hmm... I think I know where to get that
[11:56] <jthomas_> jwallingford: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/18/manually-install-thunderbird-2-ubuntu-704/
[11:56] <jthomas_> thats for 7.04 and its from source i think
[11:57] <maelcum> jwallingford: a quick google search finds at least two apt repositories with thunderbird 2.0 for feisty
[11:57] <SeanTater> jthomas_: any way i can verify or change that if it is?
[11:58] <magicbronson> anybody know offhand where the emacs keybindings throughout kde setting is in kcontrol?
[11:58] <ejortegau> any idea way it does not detect my NIC and modprobes the module?
[11:59] <jthomas_> SeanTater: not really... not off the top of my head at least...  are you sure its happening?  what are you using to verify?
[11:59] <jthomas_> sorry SeanTater i gotta go.
[12:00] <SeanTater> jthomas_: ping (it reports duplicates)
[12:00] <jthomas_> hmm
[12:00] <jthomas_> what are you pinging?
[12:00] <SeanTater> jthomas_: another computer, router, everything in my network
[12:00] <jthomas_> what if you ping out of the network?  ping www.google.com
[12:01] <jthomas_> SeanTater: is it a default setup or have you played with it?
[12:01] <|nethens|> hello
[12:01] <jthomas_> SeanTater: played = changed the networking
[12:01] <SeanTater> jthomas_: no duplicates
[12:01] <SeanTater> jthomas_: now I have to goo see ya
[12:01] <jthomas_> hmm so something in your network...
[12:01] <jthomas_> lol ok!
[12:02] <nethenson> does anyone have the  "kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso" and is willing to make a little .par for me?
[12:02] <colkhis> dwidmann: I was able to edit the blacklist file. how do I make changes effective?
[12:03] <Powerking> is there anyway I can move my initial parition over about....ohh 1GB so I can fit the /boot dir in there?
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> nethenson: whats a .par?
[12:03] <dwidmann> colkhis: were you doing it live, or editing a local file somehow? at any rate, to make the change effective, on a regular installation, just reboot.
[12:04] <ejortegau> how do u configure ur X?
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> Powerking: actually I think the contents of /boot are stored on your MBR
[12:04] <colkhis> dwidmann: I am doing it live
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: what do you mean...
[12:04] <dwidmann> ejortegau: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:04] <ejortegau> nosrednaekim: no they are not
[12:04] <nethenson> nosrednaekim: http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/utils/parchive (Use PAR files to reconstruct missing parts of multi-part archives)
[12:04] <ejortegau> dwidmann: thanks
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> no? ok...my bad.
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> isn't some of it stored in the MBR? like menu.lst.
[12:05] <dwidmann> colkhis: Umm, if it's running okay, and not screwing up, why not run the install? You'll need to edit the blacklist file for the final install as well though
[12:05] <Powerking> Ive had the same problem im having now before, the only problem is I cant reformat the drive like I could last time (dont want to have to reinstall windows)
[12:06] <dwidmann> colkhis: wouldn't this solution leave you without internet though? granted, it'll at least let you ignore the error later assuming it worked correctly
[12:06] <Powerking> the solution before was to put a 1GB partition at the front of the drive, and then it would work, however, I cant move the windows partition....
[12:06] <colkhis> dwidmann: it is having few problems
[12:06] <colkhis> I can not start X
[12:06] <dwidmann> colkhis: what problems/
[12:07] <colkhis> two errors
[12:07] <colkhis> VESA(0): No matching modes
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/18/manually-install-thunderbird-2-ubuntu-704/
[12:07] <colkhis> Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration
[12:07] <Powerking> ok, well I know how im going to fix it, insert my windows disk and have it repair the MBR
[12:08] <colkhis> thats the errors I am getting after startx
[12:08] <dwidmann> colkhis: what video card do you have/
[12:09] <colkhis> dwidmann: I have intel850. xorg.conf says: "Driver "vesa"" for some reason
[12:10] <dwidmann> colkhis: perhaps running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" and changing it to something umm, intelish would work
[12:10] <colkhis> dwidmann: thanks. I'll try
[12:10] <Darkkish> so like
[12:10] <Darkkish> I effed up xorg.conf
[12:11] <ejortegau> firewall configuration is done by hand or is there any kind of wrapper script or application?
[12:11] <Darkkish> and then... i went and fixed it in recovery mode
[12:11] <Darkkish> and now EVERYTHING in ubuntu has been reset...
[12:11] <Darkkish> why
[12:11] <Darkkish> ?
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: everything? like what?
[12:11] <Darkkish> Kicker is out of order, Konversation lost all of it's settings
[12:11] <Darkkish> Beryl wont' start
[12:11] <colkhis> dwidmann: it worked
[12:11] <dwidmann> colkhis: good to hear
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: hmm thats weird... what commands did run while in recovery mode?
[12:12] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: i actually did it in windows... o__o
[12:13] <Darkkish> >_> I bet i effed up a permission or something.
[12:13] <n00b_london> hey, what's the command to update from 6.06 to 6.10 for ubuntu?
[12:14] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: should xorg be checked as executable?