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[12:14] <bashelier> % grep ia64 88*88_ubuntu_pyginputstream.dpatch:+#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__ia64__)
[12:14] <bashelier> 88_ubuntu_pyiinputstream.dpatch:+#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__ia64__)
[12:14] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: nope...
[12:14] <bashelier> 88_ubuntu_pyiinputstream.dpatch:+#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__ia64__)
[12:14] <bashelier> 88_ubuntu_pyiinputstream.dpatch:+#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__ia64__)
[12:14] <bashelier> 88_ubuntu_pyiinputstream.dpatch:+#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__ia64__)
[12:15] <bashelier> geser: here are the changes, updating changelog now
[12:15] <ajmitch> oh dear
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[12:15] <geser> bashelier: looks good
[12:15] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I tried 'requestsync aoeui gutsy', didn't work even after adding deb-src lines and apt-get update
[12:16] <etank> pygi and crimsun, I need all the help I can get. =)
[12:16] <geser> ryanakca: requestsync doesn't work with new packages yet (but StevenK has a patch for it)
[12:17] <ryanakca> geser: ah, ok, thanks... any idea where I can get his patch?
[12:18] <pygi> etank, crimsun is evil :P One should never listen to him :)
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[12:19] <crimsun> pygi's onto something.
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[12:19] <crimsun> I should just wear these devil horns proudly.
[12:19] <geser> ryanakca: on his harddisk, he has written the patch only hours ago
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[12:20] <ryanakca> geser: ah, shucks
[12:20] <ryanakca> geser: so I assume I will have to manually file the request on LP?
[12:21] <Kmos> how to apply the diff to the newest package ? can't remember
[12:21] <Kmos> lol
[12:21] <geser> ryanakca: in theory yes, but aren't we still in auto-sync mode and new packages should be fetch automagically?
[12:21] <Kmos> patch -p0 ../file.diff inside the new directory.. is not working
[12:22] <bashelier> Kmos: patcj -p1 < diff ?
[12:22] <bashelier> patch*
[12:22] <ryanakca> geser: dunno...
[12:22] <Kmos> i think my patch isn't working for some reason
[12:22] <ryanakca> geser: if so, all the bettep :)
[12:22] <ryanakca> s/bettep/better
[12:22] <Kmos> now it's working
[12:24] <geser> ryanakca: first wail till aoeui pass Debian NEW before looking for a sync
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[12:26] <ryanakca> geser: ok
[12:26] <bashelier> geser: here it is http://paste.stgraber.org/1386
[12:27] <bashelier> geser: attached to the bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner/+bug/118500
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118500 in xulrunner "Please merge xulrunner (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Needs info]  
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[12:39] <jekil> why if i do this in rules dh_install doc/* $(CURDIR)/debian/packagename/usr/share/doc/blabla in the deb i get the stuff under /tmp/dbuild ?
[12:40] <asac> porthose: yes i always need help :)
[12:41] <asac> porthose: what timezone are you in? (e.g. its 1 am here now and i wanna go to bed :))
[12:41] <crimsun> jekil: I recommend you use debian/foo.install, in which case you should realise that the second field is relative to the package build dir.
[12:42] <jekil> crimsun: yeah, but i think is a good practice explicit CURDIR, right?
[12:43] <porthose> USA central
[12:43] <crimsun> jekil: yes, but it's not semantically what you intend.  See dh_install(1)'s Description section.
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[12:45] <MrKeuner> hi, are the translations I make using launchpad shared with the actual projects themselves?
[12:46] <pochu> MrKeuner: this is not #ubuntu-translators ;)
[12:46] <pygi> dude, you were told to ask #ubuntu-translators
[12:46] <MrKeuner> I did
[12:46] <pygi> and yes, the projects could use the translations
[12:46] <pygi> this is not #ubuntu-translations
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[12:47] <asac> porthose: ok ... can you be here tomorrow?
[12:47] <pochu> MrKeuner: you can ask danilos or carlos in #launchpad. They probably know it.
[12:48] <MrKeuner> pochu: thanks
[12:48] <pochu> np
[12:49] <jekil> crimsun: i read the man page, but the question are the same.. and i must explict CURDIR in foo.install?
[12:49] <porthose> yea not a problem go to bed lololol
[12:49] <geser> bashelier: will look at it tomorrow
[12:49] <bashelier> geser: ok thx
[12:50] <geser> I will also ask asac about his opinion on this
[12:51] <asac> geser: today? ... i am really in bed now ;)
[12:51] <geser> nah, tomorrow. I'm on my way to bed too.
[12:52] <asac> geser: cool cu and night
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[12:52] <bashelier> sweet dreams guys
[12:56] <crimsun> jekil: in the first field you may - definitely not in the second field [of the same line] 
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[01:06] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco 
[01:06] <jsgotangco> good morning! (7am here)
[01:06] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco 
[01:07] <bashelier> 01:06 < jsgotangco> good morning! (7am here)
[01:07] <bashelier> jsgotangco: sonds strange here ^^"
[01:07] <bashelier> sounds*
[01:07] <crimsun> excellent.
[01:07] <ajmitch> that's ok, it's jsgotangco 
[01:07] <crimsun> !nixternal |nixternal
[01:07] <ubotu> nixternal: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[01:08] <nixternal> gaha
[01:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:08] <nixternal> !-nixternal
[01:08] <ubotu> nixternal has no aliases - added by Hobbsee on 2007-05-31 09:32:53
[01:08] <ajmitch> he's allowed to sound strange
[01:08] <nixternal> thank ubotu for snitching on Hobbsee
[01:08] <ajmitch> poor nixternal
[01:08] <jsgotangco> err? even opera updates are included?
[01:08] <Kmos> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5396
[01:08] <jsgotangco> strange
[01:09] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: heh :P
[01:10] <Kmos> someone can check the gqview package on revu
[01:11] <crimsun> Kmos: main's currently frozen.  Have you spoken with Ryan about updating in Debian?
[01:12] <Kmos> crimsun: nop..
[01:12] <crimsun> I recommend that as an initial step
[01:12] <Kmos> i've also updated ddclient and it's not in debian i think
[01:12] <Kmos> i don't use debian =)
[01:12] <ajmitch>   ddclient |    3.7.0-3 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources
[01:13] <ajmitch> ddclient is, but still older than what we have
[01:13] <Kmos> gutsy has 3.7.1
[01:13] <Kmos> :)
[01:17] <nixternal> 18:16:56 [   dasnipa]  nixternal: they should add that to your bot msg... for complaints contact nixternal 1800-I love MS
[01:17] <nixternal> see what you have started crimsun 
[01:17] <pochu> lol
[01:18] <nixternal> I am waiting to hear back from Google on my anti-google stance against the chicago office
[01:18] <nixternal> they are having a Google Chicago event and invited us..I replied "if only it was gnuoogle"
[01:18] <nixternal> they hate that
[01:19] <pygi> nixternal, I told ya he's evil
[01:19] <pygi> what did you expect?
[01:19] <nixternal> lol
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[01:34] <pochu> So does anybody knows how to make pbuilder not exit when a build fails? I can't find it at pbuilderrc(5), pbuilder(1)
[01:36] <jsgotangco> ok off to the salt mines
[01:36] <pochu> The wiki doesn't help either :/
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[01:43] <StevenK> pochu: You need to add a hook.
[01:46] <StevenK> pochu: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/24337/
[01:46] <nixternal> well well well
[01:46] <StevenK> nixternal: 3 buckets of water.
[01:46] <nixternal> hehe
[01:47] <StevenK> nixternal: Just like, "'I see', said the blind man."
[01:47] <nixternal> which sea?
[01:47] <pochu> StevenK: thanks :)
[01:52] <etank> pygi: got a sec?
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[02:08] <leonel> ScottK: something  I just realize ...   Support  clamav  88.2  for another 4 years ????
[02:09] <leonel> a server running clamav  I think it's better with the  nonLTS ubuntu 
[02:10] <jmg> is universe supported as lts?
[02:10] <jmg> i thought only main
[02:11] <crimsun> support only refers to 1) main & restricted; 2) whatever is specified in a support contract.  Not mutually exclusive.
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[02:13] <crimsun> (mneptok, jbailey, or any other Canonical employee working on Ubuntu could clarify beyond that.)
[02:13] <pochu> Martinp23: bug 118875, if you want to confirm it :)
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118875 in gnome-system-monitor "Memory displays 0 bytes for almost every processes." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118875
[02:14] <etank> crimsun: what do you do an app that already has a debian folder in the .tar.gz file?
[02:15] <etank> actually it is a sym link to a debian folder.
[02:16] <pochu> etank: you can move it to debian-upstream, and say it in debian/README.Debian-Source
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[02:16] <etank> pochu: would you then copy back the changelog, control, etc files?
[02:18] <pochu> etank: You can either use them if they're useful, or create your owns.
[02:19] <pochu> e.g. wxwidgets moves debian/ to debian-upstream/, and uses its own debian/ directory.
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[02:19] <pochu> Which is entirely different from the upstream one, I think.
[02:19] <AndyP> StevenK, pochu: i've added a "Running a Shell When Build Fails (Intro to Hook Scripts)" section to the PbuilderHowto wiki page based on your conversation, hope that's ok
[02:19] <pochu> AndyP: Sure it is, thanks a lot!
[02:20] <AndyP> welcome :)
[02:22] <StevenK> AndyP: Would you mind also mentioning that the hook script needs to be a+x, too?
[02:23] <AndyP> StevenK: sure
[02:24] <pochu> Good night MOTUs and MOTU padawans!
[02:26] <LaserJock> oh man, this weekend I saw a He-Man DVD at Walmart
[02:26] <LaserJock> I almost bought it just case
[02:26] <LaserJock> *cause
[02:27] <StevenK> The old He Man, or the new one?
[02:27] <AndyP> he-man was so not a jedi knight
[02:30] <crimsun> one of the best computer video game series IMO.  YMMV.
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[02:33] <LaserJock> StevenK: not sure actually, my wife showed it to me
[02:34] <LaserJock> if I had something MOTU I could do with it I might buy it
[02:34] <crimsun> of course you can.  Interview him for BehindMOTU.  Duh?
[02:34] <joejaxx> lol
[02:36] <StevenK> LaserJock: I found the simplest way to tell is if He Man looks like a ponce and Shadow Cat looks wrong.
[02:36] <LaserJock> heh
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=== nixternal wants to see Transformers
[02:39] <joejaxx> nixternal: it looks pretty good
[02:40] <StevenK> I saw a preview for it last night.
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[02:41] <nixternal> ya, there was a DirecTV thing last night about it
[02:48] <AndyP> good night folks
[02:48] <joejaxx> Goodnight AndyP 
[03:01] <helfire> lol, nice sign off message :)
[03:03] <etank> can one of you recommend an easy (noob friendly) app to try packaging?
[03:04] <etank> i have been trying to do wine-doors but i just don't get it.
[03:04] <crimsun> could you rephrase that question?  It's a bit ambiguous to me.
[03:04] <crimsun> ah, a specific source.
[03:04] <crimsun> well, try cdbs.
[03:04] <etank> crimsun: i was trying to use cdbs to package it but i keep getting errors
[03:05] <etank> it is probably because i dont understand it (cdbs) that well
[03:09] <crimsun> wow, this dist/debian/ is ... unique.
[03:09] <etank> i just want to work on something that will help me learn 
[03:10] <lathiat> crimsun: 'special' ;)
[03:10] <etank> i assume that once you get the debian/rules file setup for cdbs then you run 'debuild -S' ?
[03:10] <crimsun> debian/*
[03:10] <crimsun> and it'd be debuild -S -sa  at the least
[03:11] <crimsun> well, the basic structure for the source packaging is present in dist/debian/
[03:11] <crimsun> it's a bit crackful, but nothing that can't be fixed.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> yay, crackful
[03:13] <etank> so would i still need to move the original to debian-upstream in that case?
[03:14] <crimsun> I wouldn't move it
[03:14] <crimsun> I'll work through it with you if you'd like
[03:14] <etank> that would be great
[03:15] <crimsun> ok, let's go to #ubuntu-classroom
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[04:01] <jmg> so
[04:01] <jmg> bug #75295 ?
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 75295 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty freeze, kernel (?) tries to access DVD drive" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75295
[04:03] <ajmitch> so
[04:04] <jmg> heh
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[04:05] <ajmitch> throwing out random bug numbers isn't going to achieve much
[04:05] <jmg> clearly
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[04:05] <lathiat> i hear throwing out random patches does
[04:05] <lathiat> ;)
[04:07] <ajmitch> lathiat: only if they get attached to bugs & the right teams subscribed :)
[04:07] <ajmitch> otherwise they tend to get lost in the noise
[04:07] <lathiat> 'close enough'
[04:07] <jmg> i was hoping that someone would say "I just got a fix from jeff and am testing it now"
[04:07] <lathiat> ajmitch: Hah, even then your lucky... ;)
[04:08] <ajmitch> lathiat: much higher chance of success if you prepare a debdiff for upload
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[04:09] <jmg> last activity on the kernel bugzilla was last month
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[05:13] <Kioshen> hi everyone, i'm trying to build a deb package using the packaging guide but it fails at the signing stage with this error :
[05:13] <Kioshen> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[05:13] <Kioshen>  signfile hello-debhelper_2.1.1-1.dsc Jean-Franois Gagnon Laporte <kioshen@gmail.com>
[05:13] <Kioshen> gpg: skipped "Jean-Franois Gagnon Laporte <kioshen@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[05:14] <Burgundavia> do you have a gpg key?
[05:14] <Kioshen> however, I can cleartext sign any file by using gpg directly
[05:14] <Kioshen> yes
[05:15] <Kioshen> i'm trying to build hello-debhelper
[05:15] <Kioshen> using debuild -S
[05:16] <joejaxx> Kioshen: -kKEYHERE
[05:16] <ajmitch> probably due to the accented character which you can't have in the changelog
[05:16] <ajmitch> (iirc)
[05:16] <Kioshen> joejaxx: you mean my key id ?
[05:16] <ajmitch> yes
[05:16] <joejaxx> Kioshen: yes
[05:17] <Kioshen> ajmitch: Do I have to redo my gpg then ?
[05:18] <Kioshen> joejaxx: thanks it passthrough
[05:18] <joejaxx> Kioshen: you are most welcome
[05:18] <Kioshen> Will I always have to this or there an environment variable I can set ?
[05:20] <Kioshen> (sorry for my bad english ... it's getting late ;))
[05:25] <Kioshen> After googling around a bit, you set DEBSIGN_KEYID in ~/.devscripts as a workaround for this
[05:25] <Kioshen> seems a little hackish though
[05:26] <Kioshen> Thanks everyone
[05:26] <crimsun> why does that seem hackish whereas -kfoo doesn't? :)
[05:27] <Kioshen> specifying -kfoo seems hackish too since it doesn't get my gpg key correctly
[05:27] <Kioshen> probably because of my  in my name
[05:28] <crimsun> no, it doesn't look there but at the id
[05:28] <Kioshen> :/
[05:35] <StevenK> If DEBEMAIL and your key match, it should just deal.
[05:35] <Kioshen> How can I verify this ?
[05:35] <Kioshen> visually it does
[05:35] <StevenK> More correctly, if the Changed-By address in the .changes files is one of the addresses on your key with no comment, it should just cope.
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[05:39] <Kioshen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24358/
[05:39] <Kioshen> it seems fine
[05:41] <Kioshen> I'm using this key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xDA35D895&op=index
[05:41] <StevenK> It's the comment of "Development key"
[05:43] <Kioshen> Do I add it to DEBFULLNAME
[05:43] <StevenK> Then your Changed-By will read: Jean-Franois Gagnon Laporte (Development key) <kioshen@gmail.com>
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[05:44] <Kioshen> So it's a no go then
[05:46] <Kioshen> From what I understand, I'm stuck using -kfoo with debuild ?
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[05:53] <Kioshen> Anyway, I'm probably beating a dead horse ... I'll tackle others problems tomorrow. Thanks StevenK for the follow up !
[05:54] <Kioshen> 'night everyone
[06:16] <jmg> is libapache-mod-python bugged?
[06:17] <crimsun> pretty contextless question.  Want a contextless response?
[06:17] <crimsun> :)
[06:18] <RAOF> jmg: Yes.  I can read everything you write!
[06:20] <jmg> apt-get install apache libapache-mod-python, then trying to hello world results in 'import site' failed
[06:22] <jmg> http://www.pastebin.ca/543678
[06:22] <crimsun> it's a straight sync from Debian for Edgy through current Gutsy, so...
[06:22] <jmg> its goatsed?
[06:24] <jmg> sigh
[06:24] <crimsun> so which Ubuntu version is this?
[06:25] <Fujitsu> jmg: It's trying to tell you to use apache2
[06:25] <ajmitch> libapache-mod-python, or libapache2-mod-python?
[06:25] <jmg> Feisty
[06:25] <jmg> libapache-mod-python
[06:25] <jmg> Fujitsu: im trying to develop for a server running apache1.3
[06:26] <jmg> Fujitsu: i migrated myself away from 1.3 years ago
[06:26] <ajmitch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache-mod-python/
[06:26] <jmg> i searThere are currently no open bugs.
[06:26] <jmg> because nobody uses it? :)
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[06:34] <jmg> so, ideas?
[06:34] <jmg> prefix?
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[06:39] <jmg> :/
[06:40] <jmg> doesnt 'Could not find platform independent libraries' mean something sinister?
[06:41] <jmg> what should $PYTHONHOME be on a working ubuntu?
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[06:42] <RAOF> jmg: Blank?  Do you mean $PYTHONPATH?
[06:43] <RAOF> (Which should also be blank, IIRC)
[06:43] <jmg> http://www.modpython.org/pipermail/mod_python/2006-March/020487.html
[06:43] <jmg> bugged since breezy
[06:44] <Burgundavia> jmg: buggy, not bugged
[06:45] <Burgundavia> bugged means it has an electronic snoping device in it
[06:45] <joejaxx> :P
[06:45] <jmg> or that it has an open bug
[06:45] <Burgundavia> no, that would still be buggy
[06:45] <Burgundavia> or "it has a bug"
[06:46] <crimsun> Toadstool fixed a similar bug in an earlier Debian revision.
[06:46] <crimsun> see bugs.do/libapache-mod-python
[06:49] <jmg> according to that, the bug should be fixed
[06:49] <jmg> because that fix is already in the version in feisty
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[06:50] <crimsun> yes, and that modpython.org post is for Breezy.
[06:50] <jmg> yes
[06:50] <jmg> and im here on feisty and the bug is still there
[06:50] <jmg> sooo
[06:50] <crimsun> are you certain you're hitting the _same_ bug?
[06:51] <jmg> i get some extra prefix stuff
[06:51] <jmg> but the same could not import mod_python.apache
[06:52] <crimsun> does it make any difference that the default python version is not 2.4?
[06:52] <jmg> i dont know, does it?
[06:52] <crimsun> well I can't easily test...
[06:52] <jmg> im just checking out the sauce now
[06:52] <jmg> apt-get install build-essential
[06:53] <joejaxx> lol
[06:53] <joejaxx> that is funny
[06:54] <joejaxx> the CIA's website runs on plone
[06:54] <jmg> haha orly
[06:54] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:54] <crimsun> their public web site :)  They have several internal ones.
[06:54] <joejaxx> go to cia.gov and look at the page icon
[06:54] <joejaxx> crimsun: of course :)
[06:54] <jmg> ahahhaah
[06:55] <joejaxx> there are sites restricted to certain ipranges/subnets as well
[06:55] <joejaxx> jmg: :P
[06:55] <jmg> they're trying hard to make it look like it's not plone
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[06:56] <jmg> Referer: https://www.cia.gov/css/ploneStyles0607.css
[06:57] <jmg> Referer: https://www.cia.gov/css/ploneStyles0607.css
[06:57] <jmg> er
[06:57] <jmg> Server: Netscape-Enterprise/4.1
[06:58] <jmg> they probably got sick of getting mambowned
[06:58] <joejaxx> lol
[06:58] <jmg> joejaxx: thanks for that humorous distraction
[06:59] <joejaxx> :) you are most welcome :)
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[07:02] <superm1> Hi mates.  Could anyone do a revu?
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[07:05] <jmg> ok guys, explain this
[07:05] <jmg> I rebuilt the package without changes and it worked
[07:06] <jmg> so either there is a missing dependency or the build in the archive is horked
[07:07] <crimsun> it's obviously the latter
[07:07] <jmg> great
[07:10] <crimsun> Build finished at 20060919-2358 <--
[07:10] <jmg> orly
[07:12] <crimsun> yes, that's the buildd log.
[07:13] <crimsun> you can verify via timestamps on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-python/ , too.
[07:13] <jmg> whats the implication?
[07:13] <crimsun> it hasn't been rebuilt since edgy was released.
[07:14] <jmg> excellent.
[07:14] <ajmitch> crimsun: similar bug filed earlier today
[07:14] <ajmitch> bug 118901
[07:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118901 in libapache2-mod-encoding "Feisty's libapache2-mod-encoding binary have a broken ABI,plz rebuild." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118901
[07:14] <crimsun> 118901
[07:14] <crimsun> yes.
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[07:47] <gnudeep> Hi All 
[07:47] <gnudeep> I created the deb for wsas 
[07:47] <gnudeep> wsas is a java  based webservice engine 
[07:48] <gnudeep> I need to get REUV upload rights 
[07:48] <Hobbsee> !revu
[07:48] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[07:49] <gnudeep> ok 
[07:51] <superm1> Hobbsee, I noticed that you also use the alias LongPointyStick on irc, is there a history as to why you use both?
[07:51] <gnudeep> I have added my gpg keys to the launchpad 
[07:52] <gnudeep> please add my gpg key to REVU keyring 
[07:52] <Hobbsee> superm1: because i'm australian
[07:53] <Hobbsee> gnudeep: sure, give it about 10 mins for it to resync
[07:53] <Hobbsee> superm1: basically, because i dont leave my laptop on all the time, and au connections tend to drop out a bit
[07:53] <gnudeep> Hobbsee, ok 
[07:53] <Hobbsee> superm1: so i can still log, with it there
[07:53] <superm1> ah that makes sense
[07:54] <superm1> rather than having to use Hobbsee_ and Hobbsee__
[07:54] <Hobbsee> superm1: and occasionally if i'm logging in from uni, or my connection is bad, i'll just ssh into there, and talk from there
[07:54] <superm1> and such
[07:54] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:54] <Hobbsee> most people realise that LongPointyStick isnt actually here
[07:54] <gnudeep> Hobbsee, what  is the procedure to get the upload passwd 
[07:55] <Hobbsee> recover the password on the front page of revu - once you've actually gotten something uploaded and accepted, iirc
[07:55] <superm1> gnudeep, you will get an email from revu, that you need to decrypt
[07:55] <superm1> after you hit that recover password button
[07:55] <gnudeep> ok 
[07:56] <gnudeep> WSAS is a java based package. I did not find any specific Doc for java based packages in Ubuntu guides 
[07:57] <Hobbsee> did you check the debian packaging guides?
[07:58] <superm1> gnudeep, when packaging it, there are a few other packages that use java, like eclipse or azureus
[07:58] <superm1> that come to mind
[07:58] <gnudeep> I used dpkg-deb --build to build the deb with compiled binary 
[07:58] <superm1> that you might consider looking at for ideas
[07:58] <gnudeep> I followed Tomcat5.5
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[08:00] <man-di> superm1: azureus is packaged really bad
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[08:01] <superm1> man-di, can't say i've looked at the package ever.  Just know its java :)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> man-di: fix it?  :)
[08:01] <man-di> Hobbsee: there is some long-standing dispute with the maintainer of azureus, ask doko for more infos
[08:02] <Hobbsee> man-di: in debian or ubuntu?
[08:02] <man-di> Hobbsee: debian
[08:03] <man-di> Hobbsee: in ubuntu afaik doko maintains azureus
[08:03] <man-di> and its packaged a bit differently
[08:03] <man-di> uses another SWT
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[08:04] <man-di> Hobbsee: I know that doko at least did some work on it in the past
[08:04] <Hobbsee> true
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[08:04] <StevenK> Didn't Fujitsu touch it last and then regret it?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> man-di: if you've got patches, etc for teh debian version, it'd surprise me if ti wasnt accepted
[08:05] <gnudeep> man-di, any idea about the quality of the tomcat deb
[08:05] <man-di> gnudeep: its in good shape but probably not the best example
[08:05] <superm1> Hobbsee, would you be able to do a revu for me this evening at all before I take off for the night?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> at some point, perhaps
[08:06] <man-di> Hobbsee: I use my time for stuff I know that it will be accepted
[08:06] <superm1> Hobbsee, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Argh, azureus. (my highlighting seems to not want to work)
[08:06] <StevenK> Heh heh.
[08:06] <man-di> I need to leave now
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=== Fujitsu convinces somebody else to touch it.
[08:06] <man-di> gnudeep: if you want to get a review of it, send me a mail with a link to the *.dsc file to konqueror@gmx.de
[08:06] <Fujitsu> That way it gets removed from my list :)
[08:07] <man-di> gone
[08:08] <gnudeep> man-di, ok
[08:12] <RAOF> Fujitsu: No way it's gonna be me.  Last thing I got persuaded to touch was democracyplayer.  Uuurgh.
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Hahahah, I think that's worse.
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[08:14] <Fujitsu> I guess I'll have to create a separate branch for feisty-security.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> (bzr branch, that is)
[08:20] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Can you please attack bug #118855 with your release nomination acceptance powahs?
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118855 in mplayer "Stack overflow in mplayer cddb handling" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118855
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[08:20] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: do what to it now?
[08:21] <jamuraa> Hello, I have a question about how packages from Debian sid get into Ubuntu universe
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Aha, you have them too, of course.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> !ask | jamuraa 
[08:21] <ubotu> jamuraa: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
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[08:21] <jamuraa> Wow, that was dumb.  Let me rephrase:  what is the process that debian sid packages take to get into ubuntu universe? 
[08:21] <pygi> who poked me before? 
[08:22] <Fujitsu> jamuraa: If they are unmodified in Ubuntu, they will be automatically synced across (until DebianImportFreeze)
[08:22] <Fujitsu> If they have had modifications made in Ubuntu, they are merged manually.
[08:22] <StevenK> Bugger. I've lost the magic approve button.
[08:22] <jamuraa> Fujitsu: so new packages in debian sid are automatically added if they build?
[08:22] <RAOF> jamuraa: Only if there are no Ubuntu-specific changes.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Unless they're in contrib/non-free, yes.
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[08:23] <jamuraa> RAOF, Fujitsu: totally new, just got through the NEW queue new, not a new version..  and in main.
[08:24] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Ah. It's no longer -core-dev, it's -drivers
[08:24] <Fujitsu> Oh, ffs.
[08:24] <StevenK> Which means it's community council, tech board, sabdfl or cjwatson.
[08:25] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> oh drivers?  not -release?
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[08:26] <StevenK>  Bug nominations are evaluated by release managers and accepted or declined for fixing in a release.
[08:26] <StevenK> The Ubuntu release manager is Ubuntu Drivers.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> sucky.
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[08:26] <Fujitsu> Yes, let's make the CC control all of our bugs.
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Why not?
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Makes a whole lot of sense.
[08:26] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Sorry.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> oh...this...
[08:28] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hrrm?
[08:28] <Fujitsu> There is a spec in progress by BjornT to give component uploaders the appropriate rights, but this is just stupid.
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[08:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it's a bug
[08:29] <Hobbsee> it should be -releases who can accept
[08:29] <StevenK> -release
[08:29] <Hobbsee> er, yes
[08:29] <Fujitsu> Which is even more restricted. Yay.
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[08:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: done
[08:30] <Hobbsee> i think
[08:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: How'd you manage that?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> sekrit magic
[08:31] <StevenK> It's been accepted, but is still showing as nominated.
[08:32] <Fujitsu> Yes, I noticed that.
[08:32] <Fujitsu> But I'm still trying to work out how Hobbsee accepted them.
[08:32] <StevenK> I don't think they have been.
[08:33] <Fujitsu> Well, they've renominated and autoaccepted by her.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if i've done it right yet
[08:33] <Hobbsee> [16:29]  <pitti> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/mplayer/+bug/118855
[08:33] <Hobbsee> [16:29]  <pitti> you have to manually change the URL
[08:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118855 in mplayer "Stack overflow in mplayer cddb handling" [High,In progress]  
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ^
[08:33] <Fujitsu> It's done, but LP seems to have failed to notice that you shouldn't have nominations for open tasks.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  it's a bug, but that's the workaround
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Malone does like having bugs.
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[08:34] <Fujitsu> So ubuntu-release is the group that accepts them, and LP is lieing when it says ubuntu-drivers is?
[08:34] <StevenK> lying
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[08:35] <Hobbsee> no, anyone in ubuntu-dev can do it, it appears
[08:35] <Hobbsee> if they know the workaround
[08:35] <Hobbsee> (which was mentioned on the conference call)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> ie, add gutsy/ or $release/
[08:35] <Hobbsee> in the URL
[08:36] <Fujitsu> Using the 'Also needs fixing here' button?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:37] <Fujitsu> Ahaha, I forgot you could do that. I've done it a couple of times via the email interface.
[08:37] <Fujitsu> Their permissions system is really thorough, obviously.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:37] <Hobbsee> you're in -dev
[08:37] <Hobbsee> that's all they're mostly restricting it to
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[08:38] <Fujitsu> It looks to me like that would be accessible to anybody.
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[08:38] <Hobbsee> it's not
[08:38] <Hobbsee> i dont think
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[08:42] <StevenK> chokes doesn't have an a
[08:42] <TheMuso> well it does when I am concentrating on coughing. :)
[08:42] <StevenK> Hum. Maybe I need to throw my pedantic, depressed self at REVU.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Nooo! Don't do it!
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[08:43] <TheMuso> Its just grand when a porshion or a brick wall has been knocked out.
[08:43] <TheMuso> s/or/of/
[08:43] <Fujitsu> s/porshion/portion/
[08:43] <superm1> StevenK, if you'd like, you can take a look at the package i mentioned to Hobbsee 20 min ago or so
[08:43] <TheMuso> yeah ok
[08:43] <TheMuso> attention is not on typing atm
[08:43] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: because the use of milestones and release has changed, and it only became clear on said conference call what it was supposed to be used for.
[08:43] <StevenK> superm1: I could. In my current mood, I'm likely to 1) not accept it, 2) bite your head off for little errors
[08:44] <Fujitsu> What's it being used for now, Hobbsee?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it's complicated
[08:45] <superm1> StevenK, Hm.  Well its a pretty simple package, maybe you won't find any little errors :)?
[08:45] <superm1> StevenK, your call though, i dont think REVU is exactly an anti-depressant for most people
[08:45] <Fujitsu> And I suppose the only documentation is inexplicably locked away somewhere incredibly private.
[08:45] <StevenK> More like a depressant.
[08:45] <nixternal> StevenK: if you are throwing yourself at revu, there is a little present by yours truly
[08:45] <nixternal> ;p
[08:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the milestones are only to be used for tribes and such
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[08:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: so we can say "needs to be fixed in gutsy", and then milestone it for a particular tribe
[08:46] <Fujitsu> Ah, that makes sense.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, when it actually came out that way
[08:48] <man-di> back online
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[08:48] <Fujitsu> Why is package installation in sbuild killing my gnome-panel?
[08:49] <StevenK> OOM Killer?
[08:50] <Fujitsu> No, it's doing the normalish thing that happens to some people when installing/upgrading packages. I'm just surprised that it still happens inside sbuild.
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[09:10] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hiya dholbach!
[09:11] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
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=== Hobbsee hugs dholbach ecstatically back :D
=== Hobbsee be squishe
[09:11] <Hobbsee> d
[09:11] <dholbach> :-)
=== Hobbsee breaks, and shatters on the floor
=== pygi composes Hobbsee back
[09:12] <dholbach> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
=== Fujitsu fixes the new RM
=== Hobbsee isnt the RM.
[09:13] <Fujitsu> What's the title?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> release engineer
[09:13] <doko> Hobbsee, man-di: the only difference is the integration of some gnomish look and feel (tabs, icons, and so on)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> RM means i'd have access to the DC, and i dont have htat
[09:14] <Fujitsu> Oh, I thought it was the other way around :(
[09:15] <Hobbsee> nope
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[09:18] <nixternal> man-di: I got a reply back from marillat
[09:18] <nixternal> No, I don't intent to package kplayer officially
[09:19] <nixternal> that is what he said
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[09:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: If you touch mplayer again, please make the modifications in bzr.
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: even rebuilds?  OK, sorry, didnt know it was in bzr
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Even rebuilds, or changelogs get messed up and versions are wrong.
[09:27] <Hobbsee> oh blerg.  that was 2 months ago.  no wonder i dont remember it
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[09:27] <LaserJock> is there a canonical list of what packages are using bzr?
[09:27] <Fujitsu> I'm doing a security update now, and it got rejected.
[09:27] <LaserJock> I remember there was a wiki page at one point
[09:27] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I don't believe so. Most have XS-Vcs-Bzr set, though.
[09:28] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[09:28] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[09:28] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ah, good point
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[09:35] <BugMaN> hi all
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=== dholbach hugs LaserJock back
=== siretart hugs both dholbach and LaserJock 
[10:19] <LaserJock> hi siretart!
=== dholbach hugs siretart back
[10:19] <LaserJock> I must be up late for sure
=== Hobbsee hugs siretart too
[10:20] <LaserJock> all the Germans are showing up ;-)
[10:21] <siretart> dholbach: regarding the revu problems, it might be quicker to just ask an tiber admin to cleanup the upload queue in case of binary uploads
[10:21] <siretart> dholbach: in the past, this didn't appear too often, and in general, we always had some admin around
[10:22] <LaserJock> siretart: what was the problem?
[10:22] <siretart> LaserJock: binary uploads aren't processed and blocking subsequent uploads.
[10:22] <dholbach> siretart: ok cool
[10:22] <siretart> LaserJock: see your tiber admin inbox
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[10:23] <LaserJock> siretart: ah, I cleaned the queue out a couple days ago
[10:23] <LaserJock> there were several binary uploads and stuff ~ 1 month old
[10:23] <siretart> LaserJock: oh, I notice you don't forward your tiber.tauware.de mail, do you read them on tiber?
[10:23] <bashelier> hey all :)
[10:23] <siretart> hi bashelier 
[10:24] <LaserJock> siretart: yes, and somewhat infrequently :/
[10:24] <siretart> ok
[10:24] <bashelier> hey siretart :)
[10:25] <LaserJock> siretart: I guess I could set a .forward
[10:25] <LaserJock> I just haven't bothered
[10:25] <siretart> LaserJock: yes, or .procmail. whatever you prefer
[10:26] <LaserJock> I suppose .procmail would help filter things out better :-)
[10:27] <LaserJock> there's a decent volume of email coming from tiber
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[10:28] <siretart> LaserJock: oh, dholbach just says that he is forwarding an email from marek and tom, and if we could have a look at it
[10:29] <LaserJock> ah, what a beautiful language :-)
[10:29] <LaserJock> it's even fun to listen too
[10:30] <siretart> really?
[10:30] <siretart> :)
[10:30] <LaserJock> I think so
[10:31] <LaserJock> when I was younger I always thought it was really a really rough language, probably from all the silly American movies
[10:31] <LaserJock> like klingon or something
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[10:32] <ajmitch> I'll see if I can get it working 
[10:32] <LaserJock> but now that I've been to UDSs and have actually heard it spoken by real people it sounds nice
[10:32] <siretart> cool
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[10:33] <siretart> LaserJock: I can confirm you that german spoken in silly americal movies indeed sounds very strange and funny to germans ;)
[10:33] <LaserJock> well, it should be fairly easy to see if something other than a _source.changes file has been uploaded and kill them
[10:33] <LaserJock> of course "easy" is still "not done" until somebody does it ;-)
[10:34] <siretart> exactly ;)
[10:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, give me 10 minutes
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[10:36] <LaserJock> heh
[10:36] <ajmitch> just uploading f-spot to revu now
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[10:45] <ajmitch> ok, it works for i386 packages at least
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[10:46] <ajmitch> siretart: check ~ajmitch/queue-reaper please
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[10:52] <LaserJock> hmm, does Debian really chance it's archive key every year?
[10:52] <LaserJock> I'd like to add the Debian archive key to apt on tiber
[10:52] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if the debian-archive-keyring package is new enough
[10:55] <jmg> Is it reccomended to upgrade to feisty and then to gutsy or direct to feisty?
[10:55] <crimsun> yes, the archive key is changed.
[10:55] <crimsun> yes, it's new enough if you pull 2007.02.19-0.1
[10:56] <crimsun> don't dist-upgrade to gutsy unless you pass through feisty.
[10:56] <LaserJock> tiber's got 2006.01.10
[10:56] <LaserJock> I can manually add the key though
[10:56] <crimsun> edgy -> gutsy does work with a fair amount of breakage, but it's certainly massageable.  Most definitely not supported, however.
[10:57] <jmg> ok 
[10:58] <crimsun> ...yeah, this OO.o upgrade is going to wait until I get to the office.
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[11:01] <siretart> ajmitch: I'd do a 'rm -v' in the script to get better response in the cron mails
[11:02] <siretart> LaserJock: please verify the key is correct (by signatures), and go on with adding it manually
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[11:11] <LaserJock> gpg: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"
[11:11] <LaserJock> hmm
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[11:17] <shawarma> LaserJock: I've seen that before. An apt-get update usually fixes it.
[11:18] <LaserJock> blah, I'm an idiot
[11:18] <LaserJock> I figured it out, I was trying to verify the wrong thing
[11:18] <shawarma> LaserJock: It probably happens if you update while some combo of Release.gpg, Release, Packages.gz, Packages, Sources, Sources.gz is out of sync.
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[11:18] <shawarma> LaserJock: Oh.
[11:19] <shawarma> LaserJock: I sometimes get it from apt-get update.
[11:19] <bashelier> siretart: ping, about xine-ui, libxine1-ffmpeg has been added in the Deps on last Debian revision, so a sync in required, would you agry if I filed the bug ?
[11:20] <bashelier> (this Deps was the remaining Ubuntu change)
[11:20] <siretart> bashelier: yes, in fact we can sync xine-ui now. However, I didn't bother since the diff is currently zero. I've had requested a sync on the next upload to debian
[11:21] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, changed that
[11:21] <bashelier> siretart: "next" upload was yesterday, so it's time :)
[11:22] <LaserJock> siretart: ok, Debian archive key added
[11:22] <LaserJock> siretart: that'll  keep me from getting stupid authentication error emails on my cron jobs
[11:23] <LaserJock> \o/ for less mail
[11:23] <dholbach> LaserJock: mruiz is working on gnome-chemistry-utils
[11:23] <LaserJock> oh?
[11:24] <LaserJock> mruiz: what are you planning on doing with it?
[11:24] <dholbach> he wanted to the merge and the update
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[11:25] <LaserJock> dholbach: I kinda doubt it'll work very well given our current goffice version
[11:26] <sivang> hi all
[11:26] <Lure> StevenK: do you plan to work on python-qt4 merge? 
[11:26] <dholbach> LaserJock: ah, we still didn't fix it to work with the newer version?
[11:27] <mruiz> LaserJock: I was merging it and I had problems with the build in pbuilder
[11:27] <LaserJock> well, you keep getting goffice from experimental ;-)
[11:27] <bashelier> siretart: so are you going to use requestsync or do you rather want me to do ask it with a bug ?
[11:27] <dholbach> LaserJock: as I said before: I doubt the patch is going to be big
[11:28] <dholbach> if somebody prepare 0.8 or whatever the new version is, let me know and I'll try to work on a patch
[11:28] <LaserJock> well, we should do gchemtuils 0.8 if we're going to do anything
[11:28] <LaserJock> if I remember right that's supposed to work with goffice 0.4
[11:28] <siretart> bashelier: I don't really care here, however you like
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[11:29] <siretart> lunch.now
[11:30] <dholbach> LaserJock, mruiz: if there are problems with it, let me know and I'm happy to help to get that resolved
[11:30] <mruiz> LaserJock, I had this problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24096/
[11:30] <dholbach> (as we've discussed it like 3-4 times already)
[11:30] <mruiz> thanks dholbach !
[11:31] <LaserJock> dholbach: well, I'm a bit concerned overall with using unstable goffice
[11:31] <LaserJock> we got quite a few gnumeric bugs
[11:31] <dholbach> LaserJock: but not because of goffice
[11:31] <LaserJock> well
[11:31] <dholbach> we have it in now, we can't roll back
[11:32] <LaserJock> you have unstable goffice because of your version of gnumeric
[11:32] <LaserJock> it's a trade off for sure
[11:32] <dholbach> and we had gnumeric bugs before
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[11:32] <dholbach> we can't roll back easily and it'S good if we collaborate with upstream to get issues resolved
[11:32] <dholbach> I don't feel that the current version of gnumeric is immature
[11:32] <LaserJock> no, I wouldn't say that
[11:33] <dholbach> ok good
[11:33] <LaserJock> but we did have at least 2 releases where we released the unstable goffice version
[11:33] <LaserJock> and skipped the stable one
[11:33] <dholbach> yes
[11:33] <LaserJock> which is sort of odd
[11:33] <dholbach> skipped the stable one?
[11:33] <dholbach> which versions are you talking about?
[11:33] <LaserJock> yes
[11:33] <LaserJock> we had 0.1 and 0.3 
[11:34] <LaserJock> and missed 0.2 and 0.4
[11:34] <LaserJock> hopefully 0.4 will be in gutsy and it'll be all good
[11:34] <dholbach> we have 0.4.0 in gutsy
[11:34] <dholbach> ttbomk there was no 0.4.* when we released feisty
[11:35] <LaserJock> yes
[11:35] <dholbach> or it was when we were in deep freeze already
[11:35] <LaserJock> there was suppose to be
[11:35] <LaserJock> but it was very late
[11:35] <dholbach> so there was nothing we could do
[11:35] <dholbach> right
[11:35] <LaserJock> sure
[11:35] <dholbach> so best to deal with the goffice we have now :-)
[11:35] <LaserJock> I'm not really complaining
[11:35] <dholbach> ok good
[11:35] <LaserJock> i'm just saying we need to watch things
[11:35] <dholbach> right
[11:35] <LaserJock> I talke with gchemutils upstream
[11:35] <LaserJock> since I'm involved
[11:35] <mruiz> :-)
[11:36] <LaserJock> and he's adjusting his release schedule to better fit Ubuntu's schedule
[11:36] <dholbach> when the API was broken in goffice, I remember that it was a small change in one call of a function
[11:36] <dholbach> so if we really need to patch gnome-chem-utils, I doubt it's going to take a lot of effort
[11:36] <dholbach> and that's been more than a year ago
[11:36] <dholbach> maybe other changes have happened, but that I don't know
[11:37] <dholbach> so if you want, please keep me in the loop and I'll try to help out
[11:37] <mruiz> dholbach, LaserJock : then, what will happen with my merge (gnome-chemistry-utils)? or Should I do a package update (only)?
[11:38] <dholbach> both
[11:38] <LaserJock> dholbach: sure, thanks for the help
[11:38] <dholbach> np
[11:38] <LaserJock> gchemutils 0.8 is released
[11:38] <LaserJock> and it deps on goffice > 0.3.6
[11:38] <mruiz> yes: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gchemutils/
[11:38] <bashelier> dholbach: do you have time to have a look to a few sync requests ?
[11:39] <LaserJock> I think trying to get 0.6.3 to build in gutsy is going to be a real mess
[11:39] <mruiz> LaserJock, what's the current version of goffice ?
[11:39] <dholbach> bashelier: not now, I have a phone call in some minutes and I need to prepare something
[11:39] <dholbach> bashelier: please ask in here and if nobody replies back, drop me a mail
[11:40] <bashelier> dholbach: np, thanks
[11:40] <dholbach> thanks bashelier
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=== bashelier hugs dholbach too :)
[11:40] <LaserJock> mruiz: in gutsy 0.4
[11:42] <mruiz> LaserJock: I found a bug related to missing headers and its patch: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gchemutils/ 
[11:42] <mruiz> https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?19523
[11:43] <bashelier> mruiz: you can use google.com/codesearch to find file using the undeclared functions and then have a look to the included headers ;)
[11:44] <LaserJock> mruiz: yes, that as fixed in 0.6.5
[11:45] <LaserJock> mruiz: but it only works with goffice 0.2
[11:45] <mruiz> :-(
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[11:49] <StevenK> Lure: I have a package ready to upload; just waiting for the freeze to lift.
[11:49] <Lure> StevenK: great - I am waiting for qt4 event loop support which is in 4.2-1
[11:51] <StevenK> Lure: The merge was a nice difficult one, with Debian changing from -0 to -1 and trying to shoehorn the Ubuntu changes in
[11:52] <Lure> StevenK: yep, I know our rules is very different than theirs (do not recall why really), and I am really happy that you did it ;-) thanks a lot
[11:52] <StevenK> Lure: Why? -dbg packages
[11:53] <Lure> StevenK: true that, but why the for loop being replaced?
[11:54] <StevenK> Because we rely on make variables expanding out to rules, whereas the Debian way uses one target.
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[12:01] <Ubuntu-Qatar> hi all
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[12:11] <pochu> Does anybody's update-manager hangs when going to install updates? (gutsy)
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[12:20] <coNP> What is the proper way to get openbox 3.4 in gutsy? Should I wait till it appears in debian sid and file a sync request? Or should I update the package?
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[12:25] <gpocentek> coNP: we still have some time before the freeze, my opinion is that we should wait for an update in debian
[12:26] <coNP> cannot wait a little freeze in this summer :)
[12:29] <lionel> oh, openbox has a famous maintainer in Debian :)
[12:29] <pygi> which would be?
[12:29] <lionel> Mithandir :)
[12:30] <pygi> he's famous? nah :)
[12:30] <gpocentek> :)
[12:30] <pygi> you must be joking :P
[12:31] <gpocentek> pygi: be careful, he can do whatever he wants to your packages :p
[12:31] <pygi> gpocentek, like what? :)
[12:32] <gpocentek> hum... dropping them from the archive for instance :)
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[12:34] <pygi> gpocentek, doubt it ^^
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[01:31] <Lutin> could someone using an amd64 arch. try to install cinepaint, and then try to install it from feisty-proposed to make sure it installs correctly ?
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[01:58] <xxxxx1> morning people
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[02:19] <giskard> chi sono i MOTU italiani^
[02:19] <giskard> ops wrong channel :(
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[03:09] <effie_jayx> I ma trying to do a dbuild -S but it says my passphrase is not available... am I missing something?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> use -k<yourkeyid> too
[03:10] <effie_jayx> okk
[03:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, -k<your@email.com> works too :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:11] <imbrandon> i never rember my key id but i use my email :)
[03:11] <imbrandon> easy to rember
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[03:14] <StevenK> Part of your email should work too, I use -kstevenk
[03:15] <effie_jayx> I get the same error
[03:16] <effie_jayx> i did dbuild -kF9C7378B -S
[03:16] <effie_jayx> and it says my passphrase is not available...
[03:16] <effie_jayx> that may have to do with the fact I got My gpg key on my older box no?
[03:16] <imbrandon> is your gpg secret key on the machine ?
[03:17] <imbrandon> yes you need to have it on the same machine
[03:17] <imbrandon> it nees the secret key and the passphrase
[03:17] <bashelier> effie_jayx: gpg --list-secret-keys
[03:17] <imbrandon> thats what makes it secure
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[03:18] <effie_jayx> imbrandon,  I have the secring.gpg from my older box
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[03:23] <RainCT> Hi
[03:23] <effie_jayx> ok I just imported it to my new box
[03:23] <effie_jayx> thanks guys
[03:24] <imbrandon> np
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[03:35] <DarkSun88> Hi all
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[03:35] <xxxxx1> hello DarkSun88 
[03:36] <DarkSun88> xxxxx1: Hello
[03:36] <fernando> moin all
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[03:55] <khaur> hi, is there a reason for mozilla-mplayer package to depend on "mplayer", so that "mplayer-nogui" is not an option?
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[03:58] <ogra> khaur, how would your mother change settings for it ? would she know how to do that in commandline ?
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[03:59] <ward_> i was able to compile gephex so i thought, let's find out how to make a deb from it
[03:59] <ogra> might be a good move to have "mplayer | mplayer-nogui" in the deps though so you can optionally use nogui ... but for the common user you will need soemthing to change settings 
[04:00] <ward_> found this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[04:00] <ward_> followed instructions, but... i don't end up with a deb and i don't end up with an error either !
[04:00] <ward_> what could be the problem?
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[04:02] <khaur> ogra: err.. i'm not sure what you mean, but it should be so that by default is no mplayer is installed, mozilla-mplayer pulls mplayer with it, but if mplayer-nogui is installed, mozilla-mplayer settles with it
[04:04] <ogra> khaur, well ,the reason to default to the gui variant is that we dont support commandline stuff by default if we have an alternative ... but what i wrote above about the deps will solve it for you as you described
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[04:04] <ogra> khaur, feel free to file a bug and quote our conversation ;)
[04:05] <khaur> ogra: yeah, my problem is just that in order to have mozilla-mplayer, i _have_ to install mplayer (with gui). i'm not saying for the common user should be changed
[04:05] <khaur> err.. i'm not saying anything should be changed for the common user ;)
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[04:07] <Adri2000> ogra: what about a dep mplayer | mplayer-nogui ?
[04:07] <ogra> khaur, adding a | mplayer-nogui after mplayer to teh deps will solve that ...  
[04:07] <Adri2000> :)
[04:07] <ogra> Admiral_Chicago, yes thats what i said above
[04:07] <ogra> 10 mins ago :)
[04:08] <ward_> anyone?
[04:09] <Adri2000> ogra: ah, sorry
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[04:14] <xxxxx1> hello dholbach 
[04:14] <dholbach> hiya xxxxx1
[04:14] <dholbach> how's it going?
[04:14] <xxxxx1> fine. :)
[04:16] <ward_> probably tjhe problem is that there is no configure file in gephex, to get the configure file one must first execute bootstrap.sh
[04:16] <ward_> how can i tell dh_make that it needs to execute bootstrap.sh first?
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[04:21] <ward_> anyone please?
[04:21] <ward_> i'm working on it atm and i don't have very much time
[04:21] <ward_> (also: i'm not doing it for myself... i don't need it...)
[04:23] <jekil> hello
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[04:25] <ward_> its weird
[04:25] <ward_> people in here make packages right?
[04:25] <ward_> (in a different way then the ubuntu guide and forum says? :s)
[04:26] <ward_> RainCT, if u have a link to another howto/tutorial alike page
[04:26] <ward_> feel free to give it lol
[04:26] <xxxxx1> ward_: why different?
[04:27] <ward_> xxxxx1, because RainCT didn't know i thought people here made packages in a different way then what i'm doing
[04:27] <RainCT> ward_: no, sorry. I haven't looked much into packaging yet, just fixing small stuff. 
[04:27] <ward_> RainCT, its the first time i try too
[04:27] <ward_> RainCT, i thought, hmmm lets try to make adeb
[04:28] <Adri2000> khaur: have you filed a bug against mplayerplug-in (source package of mozilla-mplayer)?
[04:28] <RainCT> ward_: :)
[04:28] <xxxxx1> ward_: you're using revu?
[04:29] <ward_> xxxxx1, nope
[04:29] <ward_> this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[04:29] <ward_> xxxxx1, 
[04:29] <ward_> xxxxx1, i think the only problem is bootstrap.sh needs to get executed to get a configure file
[04:29] <ward_> and dh_make obviously needs a configure file
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[04:31] <xxxxx1> ward_: did you read packagingguide?
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[04:33] <ward_> xxxxx1, this is the only ubuntu document i found
[04:33] <ward_> and this one: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide
[04:33] <ward_> but that's the same
[04:33] <xxxxx1> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf
[04:34] <ward_> xxxxx1, i'll look at it
[04:35] <ward_> xxxxx1, do i need to read all of that to make one little package???
[04:35] <xxxxx1> you can start with packagingguide.
[04:35] <ward_> lol easy decision, i won't ever make a deb in my life :-)
[04:36] <ward_> i don't need them anyway, i can install from source :-)
[04:36] <ward_> now i know what the developer meant with "there is probably not gonna be time to make a deb"
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[04:37] <ward_> why exectly is there wrong info in the docs then by the way?
[04:37] <ward_> and the forum
[04:37] <ward_> xxxxx1, 
[04:38] <ward_> so those docs from the forum are simply wrong?
[04:38] <xxxxx1> i didn't read it forum msg.
[04:38] <ward_> that way appealed to me as its not taking much time
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[04:39] <ward_> they used dh_make, xxxxx1 
[04:39] <xxxxx1> but is safe for you learn the first steps from packagingguide and then ask your questions.
[04:40] <ward_> xxxxx1, i can't read that much
[04:40] <ward_> maybe i'll make it trough the first 2 pages without being distracted
[04:41] <ward_> but will do whenever i have more time/feel like it
[04:47] <Adri2000> khaur: actually the bug is already reported. assigning to me, I will take care of it later.
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[05:01] <nixternal> ScottK: you free at all? Wanted to see if you could take a look at that kplayer app I put on revu...don't approve it, but you can remove it...I am going to resubmit a RFS to mentors here in a few, but would like to get some input before I do
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[05:16] <leonel> goooood  morning !
[05:21] <bashelier> 17:16 < leonel> goooood  morning !
[05:21] <bashelier> nice ^^
[05:22] <leonel> :)  I'm  on  UTC -6
[05:22] <leonel> so   9:22 AM here
[05:22] <leonel> well Have a  GREAT day !
[05:23] <leonel> looking  at    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule    Jun 21  Remaining upstream merges completed, Rebuild Test     that means that  no more  merges  after  Jun 21 ?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> leonel: in the best case, yes
[05:25] <leonel> Hobbsee: so If I'd like to  gutsy had a package with  newer version   I should  ask to be included on debian  then ask for merge to gutsy before  Jun 21 ?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> leonel: you can still do merges and such up to upstream versoin freeze
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[05:26] <Hobbsee> the thing you quoted refered to when teh autosyncer gets turned off
[05:27] <leonel> Hobbsee: ok thanks 
[05:27] <leonel> debian has   dbmail 2.2.3   and  dbmail has released  2.2.5  
[05:27] <leonel> and gutsy has 2.2.3
[05:28] <leonel> so for  gutsy to have 2.2.5   the road is first  in debian then gutsy   
[05:28] <leonel> right /
[05:28] <leonel>  ?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> usually
[05:28] <Hobbsee> it's easier that way
[05:28] <Hobbsee> although you can throw 2.2.5 straight into ubuntu, then add any of debian's fixes in too
[05:29] <effie_jayx> leonel,  can you help me with a merge?
[05:31] <leonel> effie_jayx:  never made a merge    I need to learn that procedure 
[05:31] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: what's up?
[05:32] <leonel> Hobbsee: that sounds great  !
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[05:35] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  well I am not certain of what I am to do with this merge...
[05:36] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  I am looking at it and I am trying to check if everything is ok for ubuntu.
[05:36] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  check the changelog for moodle
[05:37] <effie_jayx> 1.7.2-1
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[06:26] <khaur> Adri2000: ahh, great. thank you very much :)
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[06:31] <RainCT> how should a package with version `4.3.0~rc1-1' be named with -ubuntuX ?
[06:32] <RainCT> 4.3.0~rc1-1ubuntu1?
[06:32] <RainCT> ah ok nvm
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[06:37] <xxxxx1> RainCT: it already have a debian version?
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[06:42] <RainCT> xxxxx1: nevermind
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[07:01] <dholbach> siretart: did you notice problems with the speed of net connection of tiber?
[07:01] <dholbach> siretart: or changes?
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[07:14] <dholbach> (I'm just downloading a 120M netbeans5.5 with 8k/s ... :-/)
[07:17] <xxxxx1> dialup?
[07:17] <xxxxx1> :>
[07:20] <dholbach> no
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[07:28] <nixternal> dholbach: speaking of netbeans, does the intellisense stuff work for you? where it completes the functions, i.e. Double.parseDouble(str), when you type in Double and hit the . it brings up a list of the functions or autocompletes them?
[07:28] <nixternal> some in class said it does it for them in windows, however I haven't gotten it to work with Kubuntu yet
[07:28] <nixternal> s/some/somone
[07:28] <nixternal> s/somone/someone
[07:28] <dholbach> nixternal: no idea, I'm sorry
[07:29] <dholbach> nixternal: I'm mostly reviewing the packaging and basically testing it
[07:29] <dholbach> nixternal: I suggest you get in touch with the maintainers and or file bugs
[07:29] <nixternal> while my_spelling == sucks { s/mistype/correct_spelling; }
[07:29] <nixternal> dholbach: I will look at it a little more, for some reason it is looking at jre and I would think it should look at jdk
[07:30] <dholbach> I don't know
[07:31] <dholbach> there are even a few bug contacts for it
[07:31] <dholbach> so best to file a bug and find out
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[07:31] <nixternal> well I did mine as a source install...I will grab the pkg and test it
[07:32] <joejaxx> hello elkbuntu :)
[07:32] <joejaxx> hello dholbach nixternal 
[07:33] <nixternal> hola joejaxx 
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[07:45] <nixternal> popey: you around at all? there is a guy in #ubuntu-doc that is looking for screencast editor advice...do you have any?
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[07:47] <xxxxx1> hello LaserJock 
[07:47] <LaserJock> hi
[07:48] <geser> Hi LaserJock
[07:48] <tsmithe> oh look it's a LaserJock 
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[07:49] <Vorian> hello
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[07:49] <LaserJock> heh
[07:50] <Vorian> nixternal, isn't a gumba a mushroom
[07:50] <Vorian> ?
[07:50] <nixternal> I wonder where persia is hiding...I need to redo the RFS for KPlayer since the debian-multimedia (marillat) doesn't want to do it officially
[07:50] <nixternal> Vorian: I have no clue
[07:50] <tsmithe> isn't it a little creature in mario, Vorian?
[07:50] <Vorian> ah
[07:50] <nixternal> I just hear it all the time at the local cafe, thought it meant friend or something
[07:50] <tsmithe> but it looks like a mushroom :P
[07:50] <tsmithe> lol
[07:50] <tsmithe> probably does
[07:51] <nixternal> I could have very well just insulted LaserJock as well and not even know it
[07:51] <Vorian> nope, its goomba
[07:51] <Vorian> sorry nixternal 
[07:51] <Vorian> :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> nixternal: like I care ;-)
[07:51] <nixternal> am I right or wrong? :)
[07:51] <nixternal> hahah
[07:51] <nixternal> LaserJock: awww, do you need a hug?
[07:51] <nixternal> I am not going to give you one, but I can find someone to do it I am sure
[07:51] <LaserJock> nah, doing fine thanks
[07:52] <nixternal> good to hear
[07:52] <LaserJock> I got all my core-dev votes in
[07:52] <LaserJock> I'm happy
[07:52] <nixternal> my lawn is 2 feet high and I can't find the motivation to go and mow it
[07:52] <nixternal> every time I do, something *buntu pops up and draws my attention
[07:52] <nixternal> LaserJock: like you were expecting anything less? I could have told you that you will be a core-dev asap
[07:56] <popey> nixternal: thanks
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[07:58] <nixternal> thanks popey!
[07:58] <popey> :)
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[08:04] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, I wasn't certain by any means
[08:04] <nixternal> I knew you would get it..same with Hobbsee...How much more can you prove that you know what you are doing..catch my drift?
[08:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, I wasn't as pleased with my +packages page as I wanted to be
[08:05] <LaserJock> I was originally going to go for it right after Mt. View
[08:05] <LaserJock> but I thought I needed more work in Main
[08:06] <nixternal> LaserJock: just because you aren't happy with your +packages view has nothing to do with the knowledge you have of the system...everyone looks at you with questions and you seem to always answer them..and when you have questions you always know where to go...you know what you are doing and it has been proved
[08:07] <nixternal> now me filling out a motu app is 50/50...I would expect a no right now, that is why I am waiting
[08:07] <porthose> asac: Good mourning
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[08:19] <pygi> hey folks
[08:19] <pygi> anyone have access to sparc or ppc?
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[08:20] <nixternal> I need a vid card for my ppc so I can get it working
[08:21] <pygi> nixternal, oh :)
[08:25] <geser> pygi: sparky.ubuntuwire.com but only for devs
[08:25] <pygi> won't help then, but thanks
[08:33] <tarzeau> pygi: yes?
[08:33] <pygi> tarzeau, yes what? :)
[08:33] <tarzeau> pygi: i got an ultra5 (cow.ethz.ch) 
[08:33] <tarzeau> pygi: what you need tested on the sparc?
[08:34] <pygi> tarzeau, possible to test a gutsy debdiff for brasero for me?
[08:34] <tarzeau> err it's debian sid... i can only test software packages on it
[08:34] <tarzeau> or you tell me that also works there and we test it
[08:35] <pygi> perhaps it will work, yea
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[08:36] <pygi> tarzeau, please grab newest brasero source package from gutsy, and gimme mail, so I'll send you debdiff
[08:36] <pygi> ups, no, it won't work
[08:36] <pygi> damn it :(
[08:36] <pygi> (forgot we don't have libburn and libisofs there)
[08:36] <tarzeau> i can also installt hose?
[08:37] <tarzeau> if it's just those two
[08:37] <asac> porthose: hey
[08:37] <tarzeau> pygi: you know what i'd like to be able...
[08:38] <porthose> I have a little problem I'm on my old ladies puter, I have to go buy a new hd for my puter
[08:38] <tarzeau> pygi: i've got this script http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse   -- what about the other direction? ubuntu is available for sparc? 
[08:38] <pygi> tarzeau, yes, it's available for sparc
[08:39] <tarzeau> pygi: and gutsy is like sid, right?
[08:39] <tarzeau> pygi: can you give me your sources.list somehow?
[08:39] <pygi> tarzeau, kindof. but perhaps it lacks some packages
[08:39] <tarzeau> doesn't matter, it'll be fun to write a curse script
[08:39] <pygi> of gutsy?
[08:39] <pygi> sure
[08:39] <tarzeau> yeah, send them over to me
[08:39] <porthose> so could u meet me back here at 5:00 utc
[08:40] <asac> 5:00 utc? in the morning?
[08:40] <asac> porthose: ?
[08:40] <pygi> tarzeau, http://pastebin.ca/545177
[08:40] <porthose> around this time
[08:41] <asac> porthose: consider, its 7am here at that time :)
[08:41] <porthose> what time zone you in
[08:41] <asac> UTC + 2 
[08:41] <tarzeau> pygi: in ubuntu is there a codename like sid that never changes?
[08:41] <tarzeau> pygi: for the latest one?
[08:41] <pygi> tarzeau, no
[08:42] <porthose> If around this time is good
[08:42] <tarzeau> pygi: k, i try to change my box into ubuntu, if it works i get back to you
[08:43] <pygi> tarzeau, kk
[08:43] <pygi> thanks
[08:45] <porthose> I want to help but it seems like everything else is getting in the way right now, see you tomorrow this time. k
[08:45] <pygi> porthose, hehe :)
[08:47] <tarzeau> pygi: looks good so far: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/curse
[08:49] <pygi> hehe :)
[08:51] <tarzeau> machine is not so fast, so takes a moment to do the "upgrade"
[08:51] <pygi> no worries
[08:52] <pygi> thanks for doing this btw :)
[08:52] <tarzeau> no prob, this way i can test my uncurse script further
[08:53] <tarzeau> you play nethack too?
[08:53] <pygi> no :P
[08:53] <tarzeau> sauerbraten, or other games?
[08:53] <pygi> no games here, sorry
[08:54] <tarzeau> 3d modeling? music stuff?
[08:54] <pygi> I play guitar, but that isn't going to help you :P
[08:54] <tarzeau> record it?
[08:54] <tarzeau> i need free music songs, for in a game...
[08:54] <pygi> meh, I don't play good :)
[08:54] <tarzeau> k :)
[08:54] <pygi> but nice that you're making a game, we need those :)
[08:55] <tarzeau> i don't make a game, it's more of a level/map/textures/music for a game, www.sauerbraten.org
[08:55] <tarzeau> pygi: but i do game packages :)
[08:55] <pygi> oki, we need those too ^_^
[08:55] <pygi> meh, cube2
[08:56] <pygi> now I know what you're talking about :)
[08:56] <tarzeau> yeh ;)
[08:56] <pygi> I think I started original cube once when I was testing something
[08:56] <tarzeau> that must be a long time ago, cube is pretty much older
[08:57] <tarzeau> dpkg: regarding .../dpkg_1.14.4+svn20070602r802-0ubuntu1_sparc.deb containing dpkg:
[08:57] <tarzeau>  package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg
[08:57] <tarzeau> ugh, ubuntu hacks dpkg?
[08:57] <pygi> meh'
[08:57] <tarzeau> they still don't have lzma support?
[08:57] <pygi> :(
[08:57] <tarzeau> pygi: no no, that was just the 1st try
[08:57] <tarzeau> pygi: it can take a few, don't give up so early
[08:57] <pygi> :P
[08:57] <tarzeau> if we want ubuntu, we get it
[08:58] <tarzeau> even if it's by hacking sources and manually building, installing them
[08:58] <tarzeau> i don't want a system between sid and gutsy -- either one or another
[08:58] <tarzeau> dpkg -i --force-all dpkg*ubuntu*.deb
[08:58] <tarzeau> works :)
[08:59] <tarzeau> now for the rest of the packages
[09:02] <pygi> tarzeau, sorry, but you're doing weird and hackish stuff :P
[09:03] <tarzeau> pygi: create a gutsy sparc box for you?
[09:03] <pygi> tarzeau, not that =)
[09:03] <pygi> the conversion stuff hehe :)
[09:03] <tarzeau> it works. rly. i swear
[09:03] <tarzeau> does it matter if i don't run a ubuntu kernel?
[09:04] <tarzeau> (it'd require a reboot, which i hate, downtime coolness...)
[09:04] <tarzeau> do they also have KEXEC enabled? wait doesn't work on non-x86
[09:05] <pygi> don't think kernel would matter much  in this case
[09:05] <tarzeau> great, i don't have a cd-burner in the box either
[09:06] <pygi> you don
[09:06] <pygi> don't need cd-burner
[09:07] <pygi> I need you to "apt-get source brasero", apply debdiff I give you, and try building it in pbuilder gutsy enviroment
[09:07] <tarzeau> pygi: still upgrading
[09:07] <pygi> (you could have done that without converting sid to gutsy IMHO but heh :P)
[09:07] <tarzeau> i know, but i was curious if it's possible to convert
[09:07] <tarzeau> and i'm surprised how well it works
[09:08] <tarzeau> i've had several people wanting to convert their ubuntu to debian, and did so successfully
[09:10] <pygi> everything is possible, but with hacks
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[09:13] <tarzeau> damn ubuntu broke my webserver on cow.ethz.ch
[09:14] <pygi> what did you expect :P
[09:14] <tarzeau> it starts it again
[09:18] <Baby> hi here too tarzeau :)
[09:18] <tarzeau> Baby: heh, hi
[09:18] <tarzeau> Baby: are you not dd? you might want to sponsor evolvotron?
[09:19] <pygi> baby is a dd? How possible is that? o.O
[09:19] <tarzeau> dunno, it was just a guess
[09:19] <Baby> nop, I'm not a DD
[09:20] <tarzeau> Baby: you need to get one
[09:20] <Baby> pygi: what's wrong with being a DD anyway?
[09:20] <Baby> :P
[09:20] <pygi> Baby, nothing, but how can a baby be DD? :
[09:20] <pygi> :P
[09:20] <Baby> XDDD
[09:20] <Baby> yup, that's right ;)
[09:20] <Baby> that's why I'm not a DD i guess :)
[09:20] <pygi> perhaps an honorable DD tho :P
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[09:21] <tarzeau> ugh
[09:21] <Baby> ;)
[09:21] <tarzeau> weeee ubuntu stops all my deaemons and doesn't start them...
[09:21] <tarzeau> are they nuts???
[09:21] <pygi> tarzeau, dude, I told you that you're doing it the wrong way :P
[09:22] <pygi> haha :)
[09:22] <Baby> stops all the daemons? exorcism? buffy? ;)
[09:22] <tarzeau> and it looks like [ OK ]  SUSE and REDHAT without colors
[09:23] <tarzeau> damn ubuntu is fast http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/games/donkey-bolonkey
[09:23] <tarzeau> they do it automatic or manually?
[09:25] <TheDumbo> no it aint
[09:25] <pygi> what are you talking about tarzeau :P
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[09:39] <pygi> tarzeau, how is it going? :P
[09:41] <tarzeau> pygi: Running updmap-sys. This may take some time...
[09:41] <tarzeau> pygi: you've ever worked on sparc computers?
[09:41] <pygi> tarzeau, very very tiny bit
[09:41] <tarzeau> they're not like buzz lightyear
[09:43] <tarzeau> but i've updated my launchpad info meanwhile
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[09:54] <tarzeau> pygi: hey, i are ubuntuhero also, can i has karma?
[09:54] <pygi> tarzeau, lol? :P
[09:54] <tarzeau> https://launchpad.net/~gurkan-linuks is me!
[09:55] <tarzeau> i also wants a karma
[09:55] <pygi> heh
[09:55] <tarzeau> rly just wan!
[09:55] <tarzeau> it's still upgrading btw, Building format(s) --byhyphen language.dat. This may take some time...
[09:55] <tarzeau> the tex packagers should be shot
[09:56] <tarzeau> it's being called and updated many many times and it takes ages
[09:56] <tarzeau> i'll remove it right afterwards
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[09:57] <tarzeau> now what can i do with launchpad? i like those small rocket icons. can i set up us the bomb?
[09:58] <pygi> np
[10:04] <tarzeau> pygi: want to learn some nethack?
[10:05] <tarzeau> webserver running again
[10:05] <tarzeau> pygi: telnet 80.219.76.235 27015      to watch
[10:06] <pygi> tarzeau, no need to watch, thanks :)
[10:07] <pygi> and no time for nethack
[10:08] <tarzeau> ok
[10:11] <etank> tarzeau: that is like watching ascii pacman :)
[10:11] <tarzeau> etank: heh, and best of all it's realtime and you can make bets
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[10:12] <etank> strange
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[10:23] <leonel> In a backport  can I edit  debian/rules  to adjust the  package versions  ?
[10:24] <tarzeau> leonel: the version is not in debian/rules
[10:24] <tarzeau> leonel: it's in oh for the deps? yes sure
[10:24] <leonel> I'm trying to backport python-psycopg2 to dapper 
[10:24] <pygi> jdong, poke
[10:24] <leonel> tarzeau: I mean   debian/control
[10:24] <tarzeau> leonel: yes that
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[10:25] <leonel> python-psycopg2  asks  for  debhelper  5.0.37   and  dapper has  5.0.7
[10:25] <tarzeau> leonel: if the software still works with those other versions
[10:25] <leonel> yes
[10:25] <tarzeau> leonel: usually you don't do versioned depends, if you do, you do it with a very damn good reason
[10:25] <leonel> it compiles  and works  with    python setup.py  build     and  install  and works  fine
[10:26] <leonel> so no problems  to  edit debian/control  to  adjust the dependencies  ?
[10:26] <tarzeau> no
[10:26] <leonel> great 
[10:26] <leonel> thanks
[10:27] <leonel> or ...
[10:27] <leonel> dpkg-buildpackage   -d  will do  ?
[10:28] <leonel> so I don't edit  debian/control ...
[10:28] <tarzeau> no
[10:28] <tarzeau> edit debian/control
[10:28] <leonel> ok
[10:29] <tarzeau> pygi: ok i'm ready tell me command again please
[10:29] <pygi> tarzeau, "apt-get source brasero"
[10:30] <tarzeau> and build it?
[10:30] <pygi> then apply this:
[10:30] <pygi> http://files.libburnia-project.org/releases/sparc_ppc_build_fix.debdiff
[10:30] <pygi> and then build
[10:30] <tarzeau> k
[10:30] <pygi> (In pbuilder)
[10:31] <tarzeau> ok but is slow
[10:32] <tarzeau> pygi: how to apply the debdiff?
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[10:32] <pygi> tarzeau, patch -p0 > sparc_ppc_build_fix.debdiff
[10:32] <pygi> I think :)
[10:32] <tarzeau> can you give me .pbuilderrc for gutsy?
[10:32] <tarzeau> i only know pbuilder in sid debian
[10:33] <pygi> no here, sorry :(
[10:33] <tarzeau> i'll try to figure out
[10:36] <tarzeau> problem is patch is for 0.5.90
[10:36] <tarzeau> and apt-get source got 0.5.2
[10:36] <tarzeau> what version should i use?
[10:37] <leonel> one dependency was on python-central which is not on dapper    edited   debian/rules  so It didn't call dh_pycentral  and all builded  fine ! 
[10:37] <leonel> now  to make the source with those changes ?
[10:37] <tarzeau> leonel: and you know what dh_pycentral is good for?
[10:38] <tarzeau> leonel: i always use debuild (builds source+binary)
[10:38] <tarzeau> dpkg-buildpackage is the same unless give it option to do otherwise
[10:38] <pygi> tarzeau, meh, gutsy has 0.5.90
[10:38] <tarzeau> so your sources.list wasn't good?
[10:38] <pygi> it was (probably)
[10:38] <pygi> damn, I just remembered
[10:38] <pygi> sparc didn't built so you can't get 0.5.90 for sparc ;P
[10:39] <pygi> this fix is supposed to fix it
[10:39] <pygi> so you'll have to download source package manually
[10:39] <tarzeau> i can do that... 
[10:40] <leonel> tarzeau: dh_pycentral is for python modules    and  is provided  by python-central  which  dapper's does not have it 
[10:40] <tarzeau> pbuilder create --distribution gutsy will take some time
[10:40] <leonel> I edited  debian/control to remove  that dependency 
[10:40] <tarzeau> leonel: aha. i'm a python illiterate
[10:41] <leonel> tarzeau: I've already requested a  backport  in lauchpad
[10:41] <leonel> tarzeau: this  deb I've made   will be for  internal use  only .
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[10:42] <tarzeau> leonel: i see
[10:42] <leonel> tarzeau: while the backport gets done
[10:42] <tarzeau> pygi: here's how it applied: patch -p4 < ../sparc_ppc_build_fix.debdiff
[10:42] <pygi> oki :P
[10:42] <pygi> as long as it applied :P
[10:43] <tarzeau> building w/o pbuilder just to check, until pbuilder is ready
[10:43] <tarzeau> applied perfectly
[10:43] <pygi> k, let's see if it'll build
[10:43] <leonel> no module compiled ..
[10:43] <leonel> need to backport  python-central  ...
[10:44] <tarzeau> installing some build-deps
[10:44] <tarzeau> pygi:   libhal-dev: Depends: libhal1 (= 0.5.9-2ubuntu1) but 0.5.9-3 is to be installedE: Broken packages
[10:46] <pygi> mrh
[10:46] <tarzeau> pygi: maybe i can also update that package. it's just slow
[10:46] <pygi> yup
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[10:54] <RainCT> good night
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[10:59] <bashelier> geser: 
[10:59] <bashelier> oups
[10:59] <bashelier> sorry
[11:04] <tarzeau> pygi: trying now pbuilder build brasero_0.5.90-0ubuntu2.dsc
[11:04] <pygi> kk
[11:09] <nixternal> why does vim-full require gnome package?
[11:09] <tarzeau> nixternal: apt-cache show vim-full
[11:10] <tarzeau> apt-cache rdepends vim-gnome
[11:10] <tarzeau> see ?
[11:13] <xxxxx1> bye all
[11:14] <nixternal> I know that..just wondered why all of the gnome stuff...would be nice to ahve a seperate vim-full that didn't depend on all of that
[11:14] <tarzeau> pygi: sorry: W: Unable to locate package libburn4-dev
[11:14] <tarzeau> E: No packages found
[11:14] <tarzeau> pygi: rest is here http://cow.ethz.ch/ubuntu/brasero/
[11:14] <tarzeau> i'm going to sleep or play some sauerbraten
[11:15] <crimsun>      0.3.6-0ubuntu1 0
[11:15] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[11:15] <crimsun> make sure you have universe enabled in your pbuilder cache.
[11:15] <pygi> tarzeau, meh, ok
[11:15] <tarzeau> me?
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[11:15] <tarzeau> MIRRORSITE=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:15] <tarzeau> DISTRIBUTION=gutsy
[11:15] <tarzeau> that's my .pbuilderrc
[11:15] <tarzeau> what do i need to add in there?
[11:15] <crimsun> pbuilder only enables main by default.
[11:16] <tarzeau> aha
[11:16] <tarzeau> you can tell me what to make so it enables universe?
[11:17] <crimsun> COMPONENTS="main universe"
[11:17] <crimsun> you'll need --override-config next
[11:17] <crimsun> (with update)
[11:18] <tarzeau> k i try
[11:18] <pygi> tarzeau, well, sparc should have libburn4-dev
[11:19] <tarzeau> pygi: i try what crimsun suggest and retry to build
[11:19] <tarzeau> pygi: possible my mirror is outdated?
[11:19] <pygi> oki
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[11:31] <pygi> tarzeau, hear ya tomorrow, and thanks for helping
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[11:48] <pochu> lionel: Congratulations!
[11:48] <lionel> thanks pochu :)
[11:49] <pochu> lionel: now you can sponsor me :p
[11:49] <lionel> ;)
[11:50] <geser> lionel: welcome as MOTU
[11:50] <lionel> thanks geser :)
[11:50] <crimsun> congrats.
[11:50] <crimsun> wait, did I +1?  What was I smoking?
[11:50] <crimsun> ;-)
[11:50] <lionel> thanks crimsun
[11:50] <lionel> thanks for all your patience and uploads geser and crimsun !
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[11:52] <bashelier> hey geser :)
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[11:52] <Lutin> lionel: congrats :)
[11:53] <geser> Hi bashelier
[11:53] <superm1> speaking of uploads...... crimsun could I bugger you for a revu?
[11:53] <pochu> superm1: ask lionel who is new :p
[11:53] <superm1> lionel, congrats :)
[11:53] <lionel> :)
[11:54] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397
[11:54] <bashelier> lionel: congrats! ;)
[11:54] <lionel> thanks bashelier
[11:54] <lionel> thanks supem1
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[12:12] <bashelier> superm1: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397, why are you in Maintainer field instead of XSBC-Original-Maintainer ?
[12:13] <superm1> bashelier, I'm going to be XSBC-Original-Maintainer once we get our mailing list 
[12:13] <superm1> for ubuntu-mythtv