[12:38] <superm1> gardengnome, with your implementation of the htaccess debconf, are you requiring a password to be set on installation, or optional?
[12:38] <superm1> and can later be changed with dpkg-reconfigure
[12:41] <DaveMorris> guys in #ubuntu-bugs they have ubot which auto posts when new bugs are filled, you think it'll be good to have mythtv bugs posted to the channel when they are filled?
[12:41] <superm1> Yes
[12:41] <superm1> that would be very good
[12:41] <superm1> do you know how to configure ubotu
[12:41] <DaveMorris> no
[12:42] <DaveMorris> !ubuto
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <DaveMorris> !ubotu
[12:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:42] <DaveMorris> will prob help
[12:42] <superm1> maybe we just need to ask Seveas
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109950 in mythtv "mythtv-database configuration cannot connect to MySQL database" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109950
[12:45] <superm1> DaveMorris, its fixed, but not built in a release yet
[12:45] <superm1> as in the bzr branch has it fixed, but no packages have been built yet from the new branch changes
[12:45] <superm1> need to get imbrandon or keescook or someone else with universe upload rights to do so
[12:46] <DaveMorris> I've changed it to fix committed then, you'll have to go through them and close them when its released
[12:46] <superm1> right
[12:46] <superm1> i poked in #ubuntu-ops to see if Seveas could add bug tracking to ubotu for this channel
[12:49] <superm1> DaveMorris, things are indeed moving along nicely
[12:49] <superm1> these last few days all productivity all around from this room :)
[12:49] <superm1> we might need ubugtu to join
[12:50] <DaveMorris> I've laid the areial cable to my room tonight, just need to buy a conector to plug into my tunner card, then I'll have a backend server to play with for testing which won't anoy anyone in the house
[12:51] <superm1> "tonight"?  isnt it almost midnight there?
[12:52] <DaveMorris> yeah
[12:52] <keescook> superm1: okay, I'm on an upload kick (just closed some other bugs)
[12:53] <keescook> where can I find the orig.tar.gz ?
[12:53] <superm1> on mythbuntu.org/~supermario/
[12:53] <superm1> let me get you an exact link
[12:53] <superm1> keescook, they're both here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/personal/dists/feisty/mythtv_testing/
[12:53] <keescook> perfect, thanks
[12:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97318 in mythtv "_usr_bin_mythbackend.1000.crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97318
[12:56] <DaveMorris> same with bug 97171
[12:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97171 in mythtv "mythfrontend crashed in munmap_chunk() when stopping playback" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97171
[12:57] <superm1> can the retrace service handle that?
[12:57] <keescook> superm1: mythplugins debian/changelog lists "feisty".  :)  I changed it in my now-building version.  can you put that in the bzr tree?
[12:57] <superm1> keescook, yes as soon as i get home
[12:58] <superm1> oh that first one bug 97318, yea reject that
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97318 in mythtv "_usr_bin_mythbackend.1000.crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97318
[12:58] <superm1> unless something gets attached
[12:58] <superm1> 2007-3-28?
[12:58] <superm1> for sure
[01:00] <superm1> as for the second, i'm going to agree scrap it too
[01:00] <superm1> that backtrace isn't usable
[01:00] <superm1> likely because it was before apport went active
[01:08] <superm1> okay mates i'm gonna get home.  i'm starving
[01:08] <superm1> cya soon
[01:25] <DaveMorris> nn all
[01:34] <superm1> keescook, all fixed up in bzr
[01:34] <superm1> DaveMorris, I can't keep up with all your bug mail :)
[01:35] <superm1> we went from like 45 to 16 in a day
[01:35] <superm1> amazing
[01:48] <a5benwillis>  evening people
[01:48] <a5benwillis>  anyone know why my PPV chans wouldnt show up in my guide?
[01:48] <a5benwillis>  They show up in my channel list via mythweb but not in the guide?
[01:48] <superm1> usually marked as not visible in mythtv-setup
[01:48] <superm1> if thats the case
[01:50] <a5benwillis> theyre marked visible in mythweb?
[01:50] <a5benwillis> where in mythtv-setup is that changed?
[01:53] <superm1> channel editor
[01:53] <superm1> you might just need to restart the backend process though
[01:53] <superm1> if you changed them in mythweb
[01:53] <a5benwillis> I didnt change them, they were already set to visible. Its wierd
[01:54] <a5benwillis> I just confirmed via phpmyadmin
[01:54] <a5benwillis> all chans set to '1' for visible
[01:55] <a5benwillis> .
[01:55] <a5benwillis> I always have the wierdest issues huh? ;-)
[01:56] <superm1> keescook, u still here?
[01:56] <a5benwillis> googling now but not finding anything :-(
[01:58] <superm1> shame :(
[02:04] <superm1> man we are making the rounds: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NTgxOA
[02:06] <a5benwillis> Nice!
[02:07] <a5benwillis> Oh, I deleted all of my chans and transponders last night
[02:07] <superm1> makes us have to live up the communities expectations when people start hearing about it :)
[02:07] <a5benwillis> rescanned. I still have that tuning issue with my other card
[02:07] <superm1> wow
[02:07] <a5benwillis> gonna get a new card of the same type
[02:07] <superm1> did you do the scan from the other card?
[02:08] <a5benwillis> dont remember for sure but I dont think so.. the first card is my good card
[02:08] <a5benwillis> of course, when myth starts livetv is selects the highest number card first, which is my bad card.
[02:10] <superm1> funny the way that works out huh?
[02:13] <a5benwillis> fixed it
[02:13] <a5benwillis> somehow LOL
[02:14] <a5benwillis> Well, it shows up in my tv guide but not in mythweb..... Odd
[02:16] <keescook> superm1: yo
[02:16] <superm1> keescook, i adjusted as you described in the mail
[02:16] <superm1> its in the branch now
[02:16] <keescook> okay, cool.
[02:16] <keescook> was 06_3401 supposed to be included?
[02:16] <superm1> that patch was iffy, hence why i didnt want to delete it yet
[02:16] <superm1> but didnt want it activated
[02:16] <keescook> aaah
[02:16] <keescook> okay, cool.
[02:17] <superm1> my local builds were crashing left and right with it on
[02:17] <superm1> (glad I tested :))
[02:17] <keescook> yikes
[02:27] <Daviey> superm1: have you noticed openbox have released a new version..
[02:27] <Daviey> were still using OB right?
[02:27] <superm1> yes
[02:27] <superm1> i just saw it on planet
[02:27] <superm1> dude!!!
[02:27] <superm1> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_04_Public_Alpha_1
[02:27] <Daviey> - i dugg it :)
[02:27] <superm1> i gotta wonder how we get submitted to these sorts of things :)
[02:28] <Daviey> easy...
[02:28] <Daviey> there's a digg button on the site
[02:28] <superm1> www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml?
[02:28] <superm1> oh yea that :)
[02:29] <Daviey> Was thinking about installing something to parse the apache logs
[02:29] <superm1> thats a good idea
[02:29] <Daviey> to see how mnay hits were getting - and where refered from
[02:30] <Daviey> google was rather indecesive tho
[02:30] <superm1> about which?
[02:30] <superm1> about choosing something to parse
[02:30] <superm1> with
[02:30] <Daviey> yep
[02:31] <superm1> imbrandon might have some advice
[02:31] <Daviey> yeah - i'm hardly an experienced webmaster
[02:31] <Daviey> last site i hosted was ~'98 IIRC
[02:31] <superm1> Daviey, i already tested the new OB in mythbuntu, doesnt seem much different
[02:32] <Daviey> until my new 'blog'
[02:32] <superm1> but i'll add it to the build repo
[02:32] <Daviey> your a keen cookie
[02:32] <superm1> i saw it on planet and lit up like a kid getting girl scout cookies
[02:33] <Daviey> funnily 'nuff - when i saw it i lit up like a teenager getting a girl scout :)
[02:33] <Daviey> this might be the ticket - http://sourceforge.net/projects/ahs/
[02:33] <Daviey> hm.. last release 2003 :(
[02:33] <superm1> did you already look in apt?
[02:33] <Daviey> nope
[02:33] <Daviey> probably should have
[02:35] <Daviey> $ apt-cache search apache | grep logs
[02:35] <superm1> Daviey, apt-cache search apache | grep log
[02:35] <superm1> lol
[02:35] <Daviey> Doesn't show up much
[02:35] <superm1> webdruid
[02:35] <Daviey> beat you!
[02:35] <superm1> not according to my logs :)
[02:36] <Daviey> bah
[02:36] <superm1> lire
[02:36] <superm1> visitors
[02:37] <Daviey> http://www.shiftweb.net/support/manual/images/webdruid1.gif  <- looks respectable
[02:39] <superm1> looks pretty basic and straightforward
[02:39] <superm1> i know imbrandon has one that shows bandwidth usrd
[02:39] <superm1> at different times and such
[02:39] <superm1> on one of his servers
[02:39] <Daviey> might be worth asking then
[02:40] <superm1> http://imbrandon.com/stats/bandwidth/
[02:40] <superm1> he did awstats before
[02:40] <superm1> which is a decent one
[02:40] <superm1> i used that at one poitn
[02:41] <Daviey> http://www.projet-webdruid.org/sample/index.html
[02:41] <Daviey> owww.. nice graphs on imbrandons
[02:42] <Daviey> is that awstats?
[02:42] <superm1> Na thats his new thing
[02:42] <superm1> awstats is very pretty
[02:42] <superm1> and overly featurefilled
[02:43] <superm1> awstats is like webdruid + e^10
[02:43] <Daviey> heh
[02:45] <superm1> its in apt
[02:45] <superm1> i just installed it
[02:45] <superm1> just need to figure out how to configure it
[02:51] <Daviey> How's it looking?
[02:51] <Daviey> Hasn't added anything inside /var/www
[02:52] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
[02:52] <superm1> is where it will come up
[02:52] <superm1> it has to "run" a report though first
[02:53] <superm1> sure mumble all over my nano :0
[02:53] <superm1> if you can figure it out, i'm all ears too
[02:54] <Daviey> 24 apache2 processes currently running!
[02:55] <Daviey> wow that pl script is slow to load
[02:55] <superm1>  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=awstats -update I think will do it
[02:55] <superm1> meh getting closer
[02:56] <Daviey> Doesn't it auto add a cron?
[02:56] <Daviey> See 'Build/Update' on awstats_setup.html page
[02:57] <superm1> i got that from the cron job
[02:57] <superm1> that ocmmand
[02:57] <superm1> ah good its running
[02:57] <Daviey> the -config line?
[02:57] <superm1> i wonder if its smart enough to move on to access.log.2.gz and such though
[02:57] <Daviey> would hope so
[02:57] <superm1> because in the conf it only asked for the access.log flie
[02:57] <Daviey> This has the majic /usr/share/doc/awstats/html/awstats_setup.html
[02:58] <superm1> well i'm hoping most of the uglier stuff is handled by dpkg stuff
[02:59] <Daviey> cd /etc
[02:59] <Daviey> find /cron* | grep awstat
[02:59] <Daviey> find | grep awstat
[02:59] <superm1> supermario@pegasus:/etc/cron.d$ cat awstats
[02:59] <superm1> 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * www-data [ -x /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -a -f /etc/awstats/awstats.conf -a -r /var/log/apache/access.log ]  && /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=awstats -update >/dev/null
[02:59] <Daviey> This isn't a shell window is it :S
[03:00] <superm1> well that would be a broken command right here
[03:00] <superm1> it needs to be /var/log/apache2 anyhow
[03:01] <Daviey> ahh... the pleasures of irssi
[03:01] <superm1> that perl script is taking forever to run
[03:02] <Daviey> "perl scripts" take "forever to run"
[03:03] <Daviey> /var/log/apache/access.log  <-- make that a symlink?
[03:03] <superm1> Nope
[03:03] <superm1> this awstats is supposed to work with apache1.x
[03:03] <superm1> i guess
[03:03] <superm1> so thats the default for apache1
[03:04] <Daviey> that's cool
[03:04] <Daviey> but either the cron job needs chaning, or adding a symlink to where it's expecting it
[03:05] <superm1> there we go
[03:05] <superm1> all updated
[03:05] <superm1> um
[03:05] <superm1> our access.log
[03:05] <superm1> the last 2 days
[03:05] <superm1> is 24 megs
[03:06] <superm1> before that the biggest was 3 megs from a 6 day span
[03:06] <superm1> .....wow.
[03:06] <Daviey> geez
[03:06] <superm1> no wonder its taking so long to run this
[03:06] <Daviey> hmm.. site still not reflecting the fact that it's finished
[03:06] <superm1> um and its truncating it every 20000 hosts i think
[03:06] <superm1> Phase 2 : Now process new records (Flush history on disk after 20000 hosts)...
[03:07] <Daviey> ah
[03:07] <Daviey> kicked the load up, thats for sure
[03:09] <Daviey> load average: 3.27
[03:14] <superm1> wanna place bets how many ISOs were downloaded
[03:14] <Daviey> 14
[03:14] <superm1> of the 06-03 release?
[03:14] <superm1> 14?
[03:14] <superm1> i say 22
[03:14] <a5benwillis> I got one!!
[03:14] <a5benwillis> lol
[03:14] <Daviey> okay, i say 23
[03:14] <superm1> and i got one myself
[03:14] <superm1> and so did at least 2 people i told
[03:14] <superm1> i change my number
[03:14] <superm1> i say 31
[03:14] <Daviey> i say 32
[03:14] <Daviey> :)
[03:15] <a5benwillis> I say 18
[03:16] <Daviey> I wanna see some stats before i go to bed
[03:16] <superm1> should have thought of this like 5 hours ago :)
[03:17] <Daviey> you reckon it will take some time?
[03:17] <superm1> hm the log just became 25 megs
[03:17] <superm1> Daviey, stop that for loop that is wget'ing
[03:17] <superm1> :)
[03:18] <Daviey> that's probably me F5 the stats page
[03:21] <Daviey> Well i need to go to bed
[03:21] <Daviey> look forward to seeing in the morning
[03:21] <Daviey> ttfn
[03:22] <superm1> night DaveMorris
[03:22] <superm1> night Daviey
[03:22] <superm1> argh.... tab completion
[03:45] <superm1> okay. and the results are in....... %drumroll%........
[03:45] <superm1> 525 hits?
[03:45] <superm1> for the iso
[03:45] <superm1> 230gb bandwidth
[03:45] <superm1> my god....
[03:48] <superm1> so i guess, well Daviey wins
[04:20] <a5benwillis> WOW
[04:20] <a5benwillis> 525?
[04:20] <a5benwillis> thats amazing
[04:26] <superm1> i know
[04:26] <superm1> 100k hits
[04:26] <superm1> 5k unique visitors
[07:02] <superm1> keescook, you still here by chance?
[07:02] <keescook> I am, I was just going to ping you  :)
[07:03] <superm1> ah very good
[07:03] <superm1> did you have a question?
[07:03] <keescook> I'm having issues pulling from bzr... but I was waiting until I really couldn't figure out what I'd screwed up.  :)
[07:03] <superm1> what happened?
[07:03] <keescook> the orig didn't match bzr, so I'm just repulling the tree
[07:03] <superm1> oh that will take *ages*
[07:03] <superm1> that tree is huge now
[07:04] <superm1> when you say orig didnt match bzr, what do you mean?
[07:04] <superm1> which "orig"?
[07:05] <keescook> the orig I downloaded from your website repo, I got errors during the build: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to themes/default/pf-lines.png: binary file contents changed
[07:05] <keescook> like that
[07:06] <superm1> thats particularly odd.
[07:06] <keescook> yeah, hence my re-pull.  I'm figuring it's my fault
[07:07] <superm1> mythplugins was okay though right?
[07:07] <superm1> yea i just rebuilt src package and let it compare to that .orig.tar.gz, comes out clean for me still (debuild -S -sa -i)
[07:09] <superm1> you didnt accidently use gardengnome's mythtv-trunk did you?
[07:17] <superm1> keescook, I was going to ask you also, if you got a few free moments, i got the gdm theme for mythbuntu on revu too.  My friend finished it up and I packaged it up: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397
[07:19] <keescook> sure, looking now
[07:19] <superm1> cool thanks
[07:21] <keescook> man I love cdbs
[07:23] <superm1> me too :)
[07:23] <superm1> and i didn't realize debian/install could do whole directories until this
[07:23] <keescook> yeah, that's pretty handy
[07:23] <superm1> makes it a *really* simple package :)
[07:23] <keescook> okay, I added a +1 comment on it.
[07:24] <superm1> awesome
[07:24] <keescook> man, the bzr pull is still grinding
[07:25] <superm1> its 35.3 megs
[07:25] <superm1> somehow the mythplugins is 32.3 megs
[07:26] <superm1> imbrandon, are you here?
[07:28] <bjweeks> are the mythbuntu and ubuntu myth teams the same?
[07:32] <keescook> superm1: sorry this is taking so long; I have to crash.  Hopefully it'll be finished downloading by the time I wake up.  :P
[07:32] <superm1> hopefully keescook :)
[07:32] <superm1> bjweeks, many people work on both
[07:33] <superm1> night and thanks again for the revu
[07:35] <bjweeks> I packaged up the daemon needed for my case's VFD and IR sensor to work and was wondering who to submit it to (if the code is even FOSS)
[07:35] <superm1> when you say packaged, debian package?
[07:36] <bjweeks> yeah
[07:36] <superm1> two options, you can follow through this process here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[07:36] <superm1> or have one of use take over the package and follow through it
[07:37] <bjweeks> I don't want to be a MOTU, I just want to help with this one package. I will maintain it if it ever gets excepted
[07:37] <superm1> well you dont have to go towards being a MOTU when just submitting the single package
[07:37] <superm1> there are plenty of people who submit one or two
[07:37] <superm1> every so often
[07:38] <superm1> but dont ever want to go through the whole process of becoming a full fledged maintainer
[07:38] <superm1> so thats fine
[07:39] <bjweeks> I'm waiting for the company to email me back, as they don't have a single license header or any any info about the license
[07:39] <superm1> oh thats unfortunate :(
[07:39] <superm1> the motu and ubuntu-archive guys are pretty strict about licensing
[07:40] <superm1> so until you've got something for it, they wouldnt consider accepting
[07:40] <bjweeks> I have the feeling this in going to involve jumping through some hoops, if it is even OSS
[07:40] <superm1> where did you get the support from it?
[07:40] <bjweeks> hummm? what do you mean exactly?
[07:41] <superm1> well where did this daemon come from?
[07:41] <superm1> for the vfd/ir sensor
[07:42] <bjweeks> the OEM that makes the parts that went into the case. they provide the source but no other info
[07:42] <bjweeks> http://www.irtrans.de/en/download/linux.php
[07:44] <superm1> gardengnome, just looked into debian/po.  The french translation appears to work for me
[07:44] <superm1> they are the ones you mailed?
[07:45] <bjweeks> yep
[07:45] <superm1> is the VFD USB, or some other interface?
[07:45] <bjweeks> internal USB
[07:45] <superm1> does lsusb tell you more bout the vendor?
[07:45] <superm1> possibly
[07:45] <bjweeks> good question, let me fire up the box
[07:46] <bjweeks> also, you guys rock. just thought I would let you know
[07:46] <superm1> thanks :)
[07:48] <bjweeks> all lsusb seems to tell me is the OEM of my USB interface chip
[07:49] <superm1> try lsusb -v
[07:49] <superm1> probably lsusb -v | more
[07:49] <superm1> it will be a lot of output
[07:49] <superm1> and you might need to do it sudo (if you get operation not permitted errors)
[07:50] <bjweeks> so much info I had to less it, this is going to be fun to read :)
[07:54] <bjweeks> I think I found the manufacturer of the circuit board, not much help
[07:55] <superm1> well its someone else to at least *try* to poke with
[07:57] <bjweeks> I hope some day LCDd and lirc support this chip natively
[07:58] <superm1> well the state of whats happening with lirc is up in the air right now too
[07:58] <bjweeks> LCDd should already since this company just forked the GPL'd code, so it should be simple to take the new driver and put in the main package
[07:58] <superm1> because there is an effort to get lirc into mainstream kernel going on
[07:58] <superm1> by the ubuntu media center team
[07:59] <superm1> and a standardization of remotes and such for it too
[07:59] <bjweeks> I can't wait for IVTV to be put in the kernel upstream
[08:00] <superm1> well its close enough with ubuntu :)
[08:00] <superm1> given that we build it on our kernel now
[08:02] <superm1> bjweeks, it will be awhile for ivtv to be in the kernel i'd expect though given its requirement for firmware
[08:02] <superm1> i'm not sure how that would be sussed out
[08:04] <bjweeks> glad I'm getting a pcHDTV card. yay for proper linux support
[08:04] <superm1> bjweeks, when you first plug it in, the kernel modules for it don't autoload (module autoloading is broke on 2.6.20 for cx88-dvb)
[08:05] <superm1> you'll have to add it to /etc/modules
[08:05] <superm1> but otherwise it should work fine :)
[08:06] <bjweeks> I think I saw that on the wiki page for feisty hardware. just more reason to look forward to gutsy
[08:07] <superm1> well thats if the v4l guys fix it for 2.6.22
[08:07] <superm1> hopefully :)
[08:08] <bjweeks> where is testing needed? I need to get some use out of my year old LP account
[08:09] <superm1> bjweeks, have you grabbed a mythbuntu iso at all?
[08:09] <superm1> we need some opinions about the interface and setup and such
[08:09] <superm1> (being alpha 1 and all)
[08:10] <bjweeks> grabbing now
[08:12] <bjweeks> any issues with the 64bit version? I can't see any binary bits that would be needed by myth (well, win32codecs, to play some videos)
[08:12] <superm1> well it'd be better to grab the 32 bit
[08:12] <superm1> the 64 hasn't been updated in a few weeks
[08:12] <bjweeks> that is a very good reason
[08:13] <superm1> but otherwise, no other issues
[08:15] <bjweeks> when is the deadline for getting new packages in for gutsy? not sure what freeze applies
[08:16] <superm1> ooh i think its a ways off
[08:16] <superm1> probably around aug/sept
[08:16] <superm1> aug 16th
[08:16] <superm1> it looks
[08:16] <bjweeks> yeah, whatever UVF means
[08:17] <bjweeks> upstream version freeze, doh
[08:17] <superm1> upstream version freeze
[08:17] <bjweeks> it clicked right after I typed that
[08:24] <superm1> Daviey, you up yet?
[09:20] <imbrandon> superm1, pong
[09:20] <superm1> hey imbrandon
[09:20] <superm1> i was going to remind you again about the MOTU-council post
[09:21] <imbrandon> ahh right
[09:21] <superm1> imbrandon, and point you at this: http://www.mythbuntu.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
[09:23] <superm1> sufficient demand from the alpha 1 announce eh?
[09:24] <imbrandon> nice, rember if you get too much of a load on the server lemme know, when ubuntustudio.org got digg i had to swap them from apache to lighttpd
[09:24] <imbrandon> went from 800 load to 0.03
[09:24] <imbrandon> :)
[09:24] <imbrandon> ( i host them too )
[09:24] <superm1> the weird thing was that most of that wasnt from digg
[09:24] <superm1> only 50 diggs or so
[09:25] <imbrandon> right, you havent dugg yet, trust me
[09:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:25] <superm1> so our rss feed must be either subscribed by lots of others, or something to that effect
[09:25] <imbrandon> they had over 9k hits a minute
[09:25] <superm1> my god
[09:25] <imbrandon> lol yea
[09:25] <imbrandon> thats what i said
[09:26] <superm1> well at that point why not just leave on lighttpd, whats apache's advantage?
[09:26] <bjweeks> somebody does need to submit this to dig, unless you like your server
[09:26] <bjweeks> digg*
[09:26] <imbrandon> superm1, my main webserver is on lighttpd, the one with ubuntustudio.org ubuntuwire.com and imbrandon.com and a few others, mythbuntu.org has its own server though
[09:27] <imbrandon> so i left yall as is
[09:27] <imbrandon> unless you want me to change it over
[09:27] <imbrandon> ( to lighttpd )
[09:27] <superm1> well thus far hasnt failed us -
[09:27] <superm1> so perhaps wait until the need is there?
[09:27] <imbrandon> bjweeks, my servers handle digg no problem, i was pushing over 89MB/s but still chuggin along no issues
[09:28] <imbrandon> :)
[09:28] <imbrandon> superm1, sounds like a plan
[09:28] <bjweeks> dang
[09:30] <superm1> imbrandon, i'm going to hit the sack.  If you've get some time to kill tonight, i've got a revu up for another mythbuntu package tonight: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397
[09:30] <imbrandon> bjweeks, http://www.imbrandon.com/stats/bandwidth/  , look at week 19, that was when ubuntustudio was dugg
[09:30] <imbrandon> superm1, kk yea i can do it after 4am ( 1.5 hours )
[09:30] <superm1> okay, i'll be asleep, but catch the comments in the morning then
[09:30] <superm1> have a good night :)
[09:34] <imbrandon> :)
[10:03] <DaveMorris> imbrandon: you using grey listing on your email server?
[10:20] <imbrandon> no
[10:21] <imbrandon> not for mythinbuntu.org
[10:22] <gardengnome> morning.
[10:23] <gardengnome> davemorris has been a busy bee in the bug tracker
[11:01] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: the mythtv devs can get quite grumpy ;)
[11:01] <DaveMorris> yeah
[11:01] <DaveMorris> I guessed
[11:01] <DaveMorris> was wondering if it'll be out before gutsy
[11:02] <gardengnome> heh
[11:02] <gardengnome> stuarta probably wants to make a release soonish
[11:03] <DaveMorris> some projects try to release ever X months, others when certain features are implemented
[11:04] <gardengnome> heh
[11:04] <gardengnome> there was supposed to be an official 0.20.1 release, but it seems that jarod wilson never got around to it
[11:04] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: for mythtv it's "when it's done"
[11:05] <DaveMorris> makes planning easy :)
[11:05] <gardengnome> heh
[11:05] <gardengnome> yep
[11:05] <gardengnome> if test `db_get mythweb/first_question` == "true" ; then
[11:05] <gardengnome> test: 11: \true: unexpected operator
[11:05] <gardengnome> do you know how i can make this work? :)
[11:06] <gardengnome> err, the error message is:
[11:06] <gardengnome> test: 11: true: unexpected operator
[11:14] <DaveMorris> I don't even know what lanugage that is in
[11:14] <gardengnome> db_get mythweb/first_question
[11:14] <gardengnome> if [ "$RET" = true ] ; then
[11:14] <gardengnome> this is better
[11:14] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: that's basically bash with some debconf-isms
[11:14] <gardengnome> i'm trying to make the mythweb password thing
[11:15] <DaveMorris> didn't reonginse that as bash
[11:15] <gardengnome> well, my bash skills aren't that great. :)
[11:48] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: what do you do for work then?  You always seem to be working on mythtv
[11:49] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: well, you too. :)
[11:49] <gardengnome> i'm a 20 year old student
[11:49] <gardengnome> right now, i don't have school. we get about 6 weeks between our finals and one last verbal exam
[11:49] <DaveMorris> I work at Brighton uni, have spent the last 2 days doing that and my masters stuff rather than my programming stuff
[11:49] <gardengnome> heh
[11:50] <DaveMorris> I completed my SE degree last year
[11:50] <DaveMorris> we seem to have quite a young team working on mythbuntu
[11:50] <gardengnome> yup
[11:51] <gardengnome> i don't work on mythbuntu as such, because i like to jump from project to project. and my technical skills are not that great ;)
[11:51] <gardengnome> i've been using mythtv for 4 years now
[11:51] <DaveMorris> Every bit helps
[11:51] <DaveMorris> I've been using it for 6months
[11:52] <gardengnome> interestingly enough, i never have a completely working box because i enjoy tinkering more than watching TV
[11:52] <DaveMorris> hehe, my box works fine and is in my lounge, I'm just setting up another backend to tinker with
[11:53] <gardengnome> nice :)
[11:53] <gardengnome> i modified a normal ATX case for silent operation. the mainboard tends to produce mysterious failures while in there
[11:54] <gardengnome> i've got everything needed. enough old computers for a nice backend setup and a few silent boxes for FE operation. unfortunately, i don't have a TV cable outlet in my "server" room.
[11:55] <DaveMorris> I've run a 15M tv cable to my server cabniet now
[11:55] <gardengnome> i used to run a 15m tv cable and a 25m cat5 cable to my server room
[11:55] <gardengnome> (designated kitchen)
[11:56] <gardengnome> but it's rather ugly to have that running across your living room
[11:57] <gardengnome> most noise seems to come from hard disks these days.
[11:57] <gardengnome> they always seem to vibrate at the natural oscillation frequency of the case. :)
[12:42] <gardengnome> sed makes me sad.
[12:46] <DaveMorris> whys that?
[12:48] <gardengnome> because i can't quite figure out how i can put mutiple substitutions in one sed call. i seem to get trouble they include spaces
[12:49] <gardengnome> http://www.pastebin.ca/544208
[12:49] <gardengnome> i'd appreciate any hints :)
[12:49] <DaveMorris> I cheat and pipe them into other sed calls for example
[12:49] <DaveMorris>  http_proxy=`grep proxy /etc/apt/apt.conf | sed "s/Acquire::http::Proxy//g" | sed "s/\"//g" | sed "s/;//g" | sed "s/ //g" `
[12:50] <gardengnome> that's lame. ;)
[12:50] <DaveMorris> but works ;)
[12:50] <gardengnome> true
[12:51] <gardengnome> there's another place in mythweb.postinst where it works, but they don't use spaces
[12:51] <gardengnome> i'll investigate some more later
[12:56] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: what bug id where they discussing in #mythtv
[01:14] <gardengnome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/102824
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102824 in mythtv "[apport]  mythfilldatabase crashed with SIGILL in QMutex::lock()" [Medium,Rejected] 
[01:15] <gardengnome> ubotu: !apport
[01:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:44] <Daviey> Woooahhh.  In 2-3 days we've had 5639 Unique visitors and  252.18GB used in bandwidth!
[01:44] <gardengnome> nice
[02:00] <DaveMorris> Daviey: do you know how they are finding the site?
[02:00] <gardengnome> i submitted it to some porn top lists
[02:01] <Daviey> DaveMorris: hmm
[02:01] <Daviey> all over
[02:01] <Daviey> It was submitted to ubut nu-planet
[02:01] <Daviey> digg
[02:01] <DaveMorris> all sounds good then
[02:01] <Daviey> "it's crap"
[02:03] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: btw, "sed -e <expression> -e <expression>" really works. if you don't mess up your regular expressions like i did :(
[02:04] <DaveMorris> cleaner way than what I did then :)
[02:04] <gardengnome> :)
[02:05] <gardengnome> and probably faster
[02:05] <gardengnome> but it wouldn't really matter in my case
[02:06] <DaveMorris> wouldn't in my case, it does it once
[02:06] <DaveMorris> it was a patch for mstcorefonts installer, we'll see if they change it or not
[02:06] <gardengnome> heh
[02:11] <DaveMorris> hmm, just thought.  A way for mythtv to auto download and store podcasts for playback would be good, what do you guys think?
[02:11] <gardengnome> like, torrentocracy or mythstream? ;)
[02:12] <DaveMorris> its already in there is it
[02:12] <DaveMorris> oh well
[02:12] <gardengnome> neither are officially supported
[02:12] <gardengnome> torrentocracy will never become official because people think: bittorrent = illegal
[02:13] <gardengnome> and the devs don't want that to come back to the project
[02:17] <Daviey> DaveMorris: why not just an RSS grabber?
[02:17] <Daviey> that just sits in the background?
[02:20] <DaveMorris> thats what I was thinking, that stored them in a dir which mythtv rescans each time it runs
[02:27] <DaveMorris> new bug reported bug 118943
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118943 in mythtv "mythtv wants to restart my session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118943
[02:28] <DaveMorris> anyone used the tool the users mentioned?
[02:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris: for torrents i use torrentflux - php based on backend
[02:32] <DaveMorris> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Breezy_Installation_Guides - you think that should be removed from the mythtv.org site?
[02:34] <Daviey> yep
[02:34] <Daviey> maybe add.. support for breezy is no longer supported
[02:34] <Daviey> or better english rather
[03:02] <DaveMorris> anyone played with bullet proof X yet?
[03:37] <DaveMorris> more trouble agaim
[03:38] <gardengnome> yup
[03:39] <gardengnome> i can't find out how i can script htdigest. it gives me a password prompt and i don't know how to put a password in there automatically
[03:39] <DaveMorris> this for the .htaccess files?
[03:40] <gardengnome> .htaccess is dead. it's all in a apache config file now.
[03:40] <gardengnome> but yes, essentially it's the .htaccess stuff.#
[03:40] <DaveMorris> which is plain text or encrypted?
[03:41] <gardengnome> it is encrypted, of course. chris petersen decided to use mod_auth_digest some time ago. the old basic authentication used a tool called htpasswd2 whichaccepted the password as a parameter.
[03:42] <gardengnome> i don't think i can just use perl to compute an md5sum because a third parameter, the so-called "realm" is also used when computing the password hash
[03:42] <DaveMorris> I'm afraid I'm no help
[03:42] <gardengnome> heh
[03:43] <gardengnome> i'm just ranting :)
[03:43] <gardengnome> it should be scriptable. i can't believe it's not
[03:43] <gardengnome> i'll bug superm1 later
[03:43] <gardengnome> he knows it all
[03:43] <gardengnome> ;)
[04:40] <gardengnome> ah, it looks like there is a PERL module that'll write out those password files.
[04:47] <gardengnome> library closes in 14 minutes. now i can't get myself a book on perl :(
[04:53] <DaveMorris> won't it open again tomorrow?
[04:53] <superm1> keescook, saw the upload on -changes for mythtv.  Thanks.  Is mythplugins on its way up too?
[04:54] <superm1> morning guys
[04:54] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: no, tomorrow is a bank holiday
[04:54] <gardengnome> morning superm1
[04:54] <DaveMorris> morning superm1
[04:55] <superm1> you guys hear how many downloads mythbuntu got these last few days?
[04:55] <DaveMorris> nope, I saw the bandwidth figures though
[04:58] <superm1> 576 or so as of 10 hours ago
[04:58] <superm1> on the new iso
[04:58] <DaveMorris> superm1: lets us know when the new packages are uploaded and we can see if some of the bugs can then be closed
[04:59] <superm1> DaveMorris, a bunch of them launchpad already closed for us :)
[04:59] <DaveMorris> did they
[04:59] <superm1> well at least 2 of them-
[04:59] <superm1> look at your bugmail
[05:00] <DaveMorris> oooh, the don't depends on mstcorefonts has been fixed
[05:01] <Daviey> I'm back..
[05:01] <Daviey> Is it>
[05:01] <Daviey> ?
[05:01] <gardengnome> superm1: i'm trying to tackle the mythweb authentication blueprint, but i have a hard time automating htpasswd: http://www.pastebin.ca/544629
[05:01] <gardengnome> superm1: do you know how i could pass it the password?
[05:01] <superm1> DaveMorris, well once we get a fake-msttcorefonts package in the archive i'll say it completely is fixed
[05:02] <Daviey> superm1: you've made BZR branch depenend on msttcorefonts | fake-msttcorefonts
[05:02] <superm1> the mythtv side of it is ready for the msttcorefonts
[05:02] <superm1> other way around
[05:02] <superm1> fake-msttcorefonts | msttcorefonts
[05:02] <Daviey> cool
[05:02] <superm1> that way if you dont have msttcorefonts, you get the fake one
[05:02] <superm1> but if you have mstt you dont get the fake one
[05:02] <Daviey> mind have to pester debian font maintainers to find out if they have had any update on licencing
[05:02] <superm1> gardengnome, you try passing it in as a pipe?
[05:02] <superm1> echo PASS | htpasswd
[05:03] <gardengnome> superm1: yup. no worky.
[05:04] <Daviey> echo pass > tmp.txt && htpasswd < tmp.txt ?
[05:04] <superm1> well use temp variables rather than temp files
[05:04] <superm1> if you can
[05:05] <gardengnome> http://www.pastebin.ca/544638
[05:05] <gardengnome> :(
[05:05] <superm1> k gardengnome let me think for a min
[05:05] <gardengnome> if something ended up at the first password prpompt, i'd get a "passwords don't match" mnessage.
[05:05] <superm1> oh -b
[05:05] <superm1> that parameter
[05:05] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: that doesn't work either
[05:06] <gardengnome> superm1: -b for what?
[05:06] <superm1>  -b  Use the password from the command line rather than prompting for it.
[05:06] <gardengnome> superm1: i have to use *htdigest*
[05:06] <superm1> ooooh
[05:06] <superm1> lol silly me :)
[05:06] <keescook> superm1: I have to wait for mythtv to build before I can upload mythplugins
[05:06] <gardengnome> superm1: :)
[05:06] <superm1> keescook, ah ok
[05:07] <gardengnome> superm1: there's a perl module that can supposedly handling those htdigest files. is it a good idea to use that?
[05:07] <superm1> gardengnome, make the password file with htpasswd first
[05:07] <superm1> and then pass that password file to htdigest
[05:08] <Daviey> considering debconf will need to ask for a passwd anyway, why not just allow direct input into htpasswd?
[05:09] <superm1> the $RET variable from debconf can be directed on the comand line
[05:09] <superm1> using the -b parameter
[05:10] <gardengnome> superm1: how would i "pass the password file to htdigest"? this doesn't seem to be supported
[05:10] <keescook> say, I have a very strange problem, and I can't find anything in google: most of my guide data off by two channels.  i.e. I guide info says stuff for the channel two lower, but it says I'm on the right channel.
[05:11] <superm1> gardengnome, let me try myself.  i'll let you know what i find in a min
[05:11] <DaveMorris> keescook: how are you grabbing the channel data?
[05:11] <keescook> mythfill and datadirect
[05:11] <DaveMorris> datadirect?
[05:11] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: zap2it.
[05:12] <keescook> I think the original problem was me trying to add my HD card, which wrecked my channels
[05:12] <DaveMorris> zap2it = the OTA channel listings
[05:12] <keescook> in attempting to fix it, I deleted all my channels and reloaded them from datadirect (zap2it)
[05:12] <keescook> and re-ran mythfill.
[05:12] <gardengnome> keescook: that's either a broken/misconfigured channel frequency table (can be selected in mythtv-setup) or zap2it is messing $things up
[05:12] <keescook> hmmm
[05:12] <keescook> I'll go double-check my freq table
[05:15] <gardengnome> keescook: i remembered this:
[05:15] <gardengnome> err
[05:15] <gardengnome> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html
[05:15] <gardengnome> (scroll down to "channels are off by one")
[05:15] <gardengnome> but i doubt it's thje problem
[05:18] <superm1> gardengnome, when using htdigest, is the the realm you put in used to encode the password as well?
[05:18] <superm1> or is it just listed in between user:realm:pass
[05:19] <gardengnome> superm1: it becomes part of the md5 hash. so yes, it's important.
[05:19] <superm1> ah this is quite the annoying conundrum then
[05:19] <superm1> http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2005/08/msg00080.html
[05:20] <gardengnome> ah, i didn't find that bug
[05:20] <gardengnome> although i have been at this for a few hours already
[05:20] <gardengnome> heh
[05:24] <keescook> gardengnome: cool; yeah, doesn't seem to be that.  it's possible my freq was wrong.  I just re-re-built my channels.  :P
[05:25] <superm1> keescook, are you doing OTA scans for these channels or QAM scans?
[05:25] <gardengnome> superm1: i'm flabbergasted that nobody has cared about that debian bug report for almost two years.
[05:26] <superm1> well we can always add the required patch to ubuntu
[05:26] <superm1> if debian doesn't care
[05:26] <keescook> superm1: I've just gone back to my regular pvr250 (on cable)
[05:26] <gardengnome> superm1: is it worth it?
[05:26] <gardengnome> superm1: that add a lot of delay
[05:26] <superm1> gardengnome, atm. its the only solution i see.
[05:27] <superm1> keescook, your doing channel *scans* though on hte cable then?
[05:27] <gardengnome> superm1: we can still use HTTPD::UserAdmin
[05:27] <keescook> I did at one point, but it destroyed my channel names
[05:27] <superm1> I've always just gotten the channel sources for cable right from zap2it
[05:27] <superm1> and that creates the numbers
[05:27] <superm1> and names correctly
[05:27] <keescook> yeah, that's where I'm at now... mythfill just finished, I'm going to check the guide now...
[05:27] <superm1> gardengnome, python or perl script i'm assuming?
[05:28] <superm1> perl it appears
[05:28] <superm1> http://www.annocpan.org/~LDS/HTTPD-User-Manage-1.66/lib/HTTPD/UserAdmin.pm
[05:28] <gardengnome> yes, perl.
[05:29] <superm1> i wonder if there is more to that thread on that bug
[05:29] <superm1> debian Bug#325547
[05:30] <superm1> its bad when superm1 is faster than a bot: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325547
[05:30] <ubotu> Debian bug 325547 in apache2-utils "/usr/bin/htdigest: noninteractive use of htdigest" [Wishlist,Open] 
[05:31] <superm1> wth.
[05:31] <gardengnome> heh
[05:32] <superm1> if that patch applies cleanly to ubuntu, I think i'd prefer that solution (gardengnome this is all part of the mythweb quest, you'll get +15 dexterity for solving it)
[05:33] <gardengnome> superm1: heh
[05:33] <gardengnome> superm1: i'll ask on the apache user ML first.
[05:34] <superm1> for those in the room not understanding that - gardengnome realized that working on stuff for this team is like being part of mmorpg  where you have to solve quests and talk to lots of people to figure out the way to get things done
[05:35] <superm1> only unlike WoW or anything similar, this is more fun and free :)
[05:35] <gardengnome> it also means that i need to get out more. ;)
[05:36] <Daviey> It's when you find that your spending more time maintaining mythtv, than you are using it!
[05:36] <gardengnome> it's been that way from the beginning
[05:36] <DaveMorris> Daviey: So what do I do now I'm at that stage?
[05:37] <superm1> Daviey, there isn't much to watch in the summer anyway :)
[05:37] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: you start attacking the end boss: VDR
[05:37] <DaveMorris> superm1: you don't like the sun then?
[05:38] <superm1> DaveMorris, I do, but even if i wanted to go outside, its dark by the time i leave work and start chugging at mythbuntu/mythtv related items
[05:38] <keescook> yawp, that seemed to fix it (total wipe followed by scan freq table... cool)
[05:39] <superm1> keescook, with the next upload for mythtv/mythplugins we're going to switch to revno's instead for the svn co.  after discussion in #mythtv about the apport bug reports, thats what they will be preferring
[05:39] <keescook> superm1: sounds good to me.  :)
[05:40] <gardengnome> superm1: what version of debconf and podebconf-display-po do you have installed on your system?
[05:40] <DaveMorris> so how is the numbering going to work with the fixes branch?
[05:40] <superm1> well dont have access to my home laptop, but i'd imagine the same versions as on my work laptop
[05:40] <superm1> 1.5.13ubuntu1
[05:41] <superm1> 1.0.8
[05:41] <superm1> debconf, po-debconf
[05:41] <superm1> respectively
[05:41] <DaveMorris> superm1: how does the new X (aka bullet proof X) work?  Is it able to auto setup TV-OUT on cards for us?
[05:42] <DaveMorris> make
[05:42] <superm1> DaveMorris, I haven't worked with it yet, but I highly doubt it can auto setup tv out
[05:42] <superm1> i'm wondering how it works with binary drivers
[05:42] <superm1> because it completely runs without xorg.conf right?
[05:43] <DaveMorris> supposdly
[05:43] <superm1> is it implemented already in gutsy?
[05:43] <superm1> or to be worked on
[05:44] <DaveMorris> not sure
[05:44] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x
[05:44] <DaveMorris> we're prob best waiting and doing it for after its released, in case its held back
[05:45] <superm1> not until august at least
[05:45] <superm1> for xorg 7.3
[05:45] <superm1> which is one of the requirements
[05:45] <superm1> from what i understand - it can still use xorg.conf
[05:45] <superm1> if you want it to
[05:49] <gardengnome> superm1: my version of po-debconf is 1.0.5. i'll upgrade to see if it resolves my issue
[05:49] <superm1> gardengnome, what system are you on that u have such an old version?
[05:50] <superm1> edgy or dapper?
[05:50] <gardengnome> edgy.
[05:50] <superm1> ah
[05:50] <DaveMorris> how long is edgy supported for?  18 months?
[05:50] <gardengnome> i'm running a backported version of kde, the update to feisty wouldn't be completed smooth for me IMHO
[05:53] <gardengnome> dear launchpad, please be less confusing.
[05:55] <gardengnome> superm1: yay! it's working with a newer version of po-debconf
[05:56] <superm1> gardengnome, good :)
[05:56] <superm1> gardengnome, should we open up that po file for translations on launchpad then too you think?
[05:56] <superm1> i saw the translations section up there
[05:56] <gardengnome> superm1: i hope that doesn't make the translation unsuable for debian (sarge) users
[05:56] <gardengnome> unusable*
[05:57] <gardengnome> well, maybe it'll work anyways even if po-debconf complains.
[05:57] <gardengnome> superm1: yes.
[05:57] <superm1> we dont have debian/sarge as a clientell though?
[05:57] <gardengnome> superm1: keep in mind that the german translation is ready. i'll commit it later tonight after proof-reading it
[05:57] <gardengnome> superm1: marillat has
[05:57] <superm1> ah
[05:57] <gardengnome> well
[05:58] <gardengnome> i dunno what would have broken podebconf.
[05:58] <gardengnome> i could try his version of fr.po with edgy's po-debconf
[05:58] <superm1> our packages are ages beyond his now :)  I've been sending him changes that we make, but he hasnt added a lot of them to his
[05:59] <gardengnome> i'll probably trell him about the trunk repositories
[05:59] <gardengnome> tell*
[05:59] <gardengnome> i have come to the conclusion that htdigest2 sucks. just a quick FYI. :)
[06:00] <superm1> how do these websites get away with it?
[06:00] <superm1> that generate the htdigest for you?
[06:00] <gardengnome> anyways, i need to go shop for food now
[06:00] <superm1> k
[06:00] <gardengnome> superm1: either the perl stuf or they have their own implementation. i'll ask on the apache ML
[06:00] <superm1> mkay
[06:01] <gardengnome> you bet i'm looking forward to not getting mad at stupid software
[06:01] <gardengnome> (yes, i'm just like that)
[06:24] <superm1> ummmm guys
[06:25] <superm1> we're on the frontpage of digg now
[06:25] <superm1> 399 diggs
[06:26] <DaveMorris> link
[06:26] <superm1> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_04_Public_Alpha_1
[06:26] <superm1> it looks like the server isn't handling the load.....
[06:26] <Daviey> wtf!!!
[06:26] <superm1> imbrandon......
[06:27] <Daviey> bah.. i new i should have added my site as a mirror for the iso
[06:28] <superm1> i dont think anyone anticipated this much demand for an *alpha*
[06:29] <superm1> duggmirror didnt even catch us
[06:29] <DaveMorris> have we got a blue print for a web based running of myth-setup?
[06:30] <superm1> web based running?
[06:30] <DaveMorris> yeah, so you can configure it via a webpage, good for headless running without X forwarding
[06:31] <superm1> thats a pretty neat idea
[06:31] <DaveMorris> another idea
[06:32] <DaveMorris> have a wishlist page on mythbuntu.org
[06:32] <DaveMorris> superm1: If we don't have time I may see if a co-worker (lecturer) can get a 3rd year student to do it as a project for 6 months
[06:33] <DaveMorris> sine I work at University of Brighton (UK)
[06:33] <superm1> DaveMorris, that might even be a good idea for direct upstream
[06:33] <superm1> rather than just mythbuntu
[06:34] <DaveMorris> true, would be nice if we contributed something for them, and as we'd be 1st to market will make mythbuntu better whilst the other distros catch up
[06:37] <Daviey> current load is > 25
[06:37] <DaveMorris> you need mirros quick?
[06:38] <Daviey> DaveMorris: popey voluntered
[06:38] <Daviey> but i need to go home
[06:38] <Daviey> he is wgetting the iso now
[06:38] <superm1> Daviey, next time around
[06:38] <DaveMorris> I'll torrent it when I get home
[06:38] <superm1> we need to have mirrors before rss feed
[06:38] <DaveMorris> can we remove the isos and just torrent it?
[06:39] <DaveMorris> from the main site
[06:39] <DaveMorris> and send all isos to popey's mirror
[06:39] <superm1> DaveMorris, is popey's mirror going to be any better?
[06:39] <superm1> imbrandon's is 100Mb connection
[06:40] <DaveMorris> spreads the load, means the main site works fine for normal browsing
[06:40] <DaveMorris> and grabbing of torrent files
[06:41] <tgm4883> awesome
[06:45] <tgm4883> dugg
[06:46] <tgm4883> that web based myth-setup is a great idea, it's the one thing holding me back from puting my pvr-150 in my fileserver
[06:46] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: you can do it by doings ssh -X mythbackend
[06:47] <DaveMorris> then running mythtv-setup
[06:47] <DaveMorris> its what I do now
[06:47] <tgm4883> ah
[06:47] <tgm4883> would i need a gui on the server?
[06:47] <DaveMorris> if you install the gnome desktop it'll work
[06:48] <DaveMorris> you don't need the whole thing, but I its the easiset way to do it
[06:48] <superm1> DaveMorris, current ISOs of mythbuntu are installing X on backends, but I think that would be a great alternative
[06:48] <tgm4883> Does seem the easiest way, well without the above mentioned web-based setup.
[06:48] <DaveMorris> superm1: whats the link so I can make it a blueprint
[06:49] <superm1> DaveMorris, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[06:51] <superm1> woah
[06:51] <superm1> load average: 39.13, 33.66, 28.94
[06:51] <superm1> load is only going up
[06:51] <DaveMorris> superm1: can you create a torrent of the isos
[06:51] <DaveMorris> or someone else
[06:51] <tgm4883> looks like the easiest way to create a torrent is to join a torrent community (cause they provide the tracker)
[06:51] <DaveMorris> popey runs torrent on his servers
[06:51] <superm1> i'm at work, so no :(
[06:52] <tgm4883> ah
[06:52] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: you know how to do it?
[06:52] <tgm4883> not really, just googled it
[06:52] <tgm4883> http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/56.html
[06:52] <superm1> we should find a standard place to host it though
[06:52] <superm1> perhaps using ubuntu trackers
[06:52] <superm1> if they would let us
[06:53] <superm1> i count 152 active connections to the site right now
[06:54] <tgm4883> i dont have the iso, otherwise id try making a torrent
[06:54] <superm1> oops scratch that.  433 connections
[06:55] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: in about 40 mins you can grab them from here http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/mythbuntu/
[06:55] <tgm4883> ok
[06:55] <DaveMorris> don't put that on the site guys
[06:55] <DaveMorris> IT will kill me at work
[06:55] <tgm4883> i'll play with making a torrent of another iso right now
[07:00] <DaveMorris> thanks tgm4883, I'll start seeding it when I get home
[07:01] <superm1> Okay mates.  i've got class.  cu guys in a few hrs
[07:01] <tgm4883> we still need a place for the tracker?
[07:01] <imbrandon> DaveMorris, superm1_away thats good idea
[07:02] <imbrandon> ie torrent only on the site and iso on the mirrors only, i can help you get more mirrors like i did with ubuntustudio.org if you want
[07:02] <imbrandon> but do it any way you wish :)
[07:02] <tgm4883> Can we set the site up to be a tracker?
[07:02] <imbrandon> you could even seed the torrent from the box if you want with btlaunchmanycurses
[07:02] <superm1_away> imbrandon, dont forget the motu-council response :) -later
[07:02] <imbrandon> tgm4883, sure
[07:03] <imbrandon> superm1_away, i did already
[07:03] <imbrandon> did that a few hours ago
[07:03] <superm1_away> ah okay, didnt check up on it
[07:03] <superm1_away> thanks
[07:03] <imbrandon> :)
[07:05] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: those iso's should be there in around 20 mins, check them with the md5sums 1st to make sure they are all there
[07:38] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: those torrent files ready yet?
[07:39] <tgm4883> not quite, I still need a tracker to finish the files
[07:40] <DaveMorris> do we not have one then?
[07:40] <tgm4883> imbrandon was going to set up the server to do so, but im not sure where he is on that.  And we dont know about using ubuntu torrents to do so
[07:41] <tgm4883> although I could throw it up on one of the other torrent sites, at least to test it
[07:41] <DaveMorris> you managed to grab the iso's ok
[07:41] <tgm4883> yep got the isos, md5 checked out fine
[07:41] <DaveMorris> I'm just downloading them at home now
[07:42] <tgm4883> found out that making the torrent is the easy part, its setting the webserver up to handle it is where the work is required
[07:43] <DaveMorris> ahh
[07:44] <tgm4883> im thinking about throwing it up on isohunt (the first site i found) but didn't really know if we wanted to do that
[07:44] <DaveMorris> can we stick it on thepiratebay.org for now?
[07:44] <tgm4883> that would work too i suppose
[07:45] <tgm4883> :( that site doesn't work for me
[07:45] <tgm4883> back now
[07:46] <tgm4883> hmm, the site keeps going up and down for me
[07:57] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: http://linuxtracker.org/ and  http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[07:58] <DaveMorris> elkbuntu is the contact for the ubuntu one
[08:01] <tgm4883> sweet, thanks DaveMorris, Hashing the files right now
[08:04] <DaveMorris> Daviey: are you able to change the links on mythbuntu.org to point to popey's mirror
[08:04] <Daviey> yeah
[08:05] <DaveMorris> and we jsut have the torrents and md5sums on mythbuntu
[08:05] <Daviey> do you have the url?
[08:14] <tgm4883> http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4201
[08:16] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: he means the url for popey's mirrir
[08:16] <Daviey> tgm4883: awesome
[08:16] <tgm4883> ah
[08:16] <tgm4883> well the torrent is up for the i386 iso
[08:17] <DaveMorris> got the url?
[08:19] <tgm4883> does that url not take you there?
[08:20] <DaveMorris> its slow :/
[08:21] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:21] <DaveMorris> r45
[08:21] <tgm4883> want me to dcc you the .torrent?
[08:22] <DaveMorris> yeah
[08:22] <DaveMorris> and it needs to go on the site
[08:26] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:26] <tgm4883> dcc timed out
[08:26] <DaveMorris> I never got a request
[08:26] <tgm4883> strange
[08:27] <DaveMorris> can you mail it to davemorris@mythbuntu.org
[08:28] <tgm4883> ygm
[08:29] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: can you send again please, as grey lsiting has delayed it, but a 2nd 1 will get through
[08:30] <tgm4883> sent
[08:33] <tgm4883> and if that doesn't work
[08:33] <tgm4883> http://linux.weilandhomes.com/Mythbuntu.torrent
[08:33] <DaveMorris> thunderbird thought it was junk ;)
[08:34] <tgm4883> :( mythbuntu not junk
[08:38] <tgm4883> is there a 64-bit alpha release in the works?
[08:40] <DaveMorris> re doing it now
[08:40] <DaveMorris> and I'm now seeding the torrent
[08:40] <tgm4883> sweet
[08:49] <tgm4883> the torrent link doesn't appear to be a link on the site
[08:49] <DaveMorris> Daviey: ^^
[09:02] <keescook> superm1_away:   dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libmyth-dev (>= 0.20-0.2)
[09:02] <keescook> for mythplugins
[09:02] <keescook> odd...
[09:03] <keescook> oh, nm, it hasn't published yet.  gah
[09:08] <DaveMorris> ok I have amd 64 built but I'm unable to test etc
[09:12] <gardengnome> guys, do you need bandwidth or help with a torrent tracker?
[09:12] <gardengnome> ah
[09:12] <DaveMorris> http://linux.weilandhomes.com/Mythbuntu.torrent is the torrent
[09:12] <gardengnome> looks like there is a torrent in place
[09:13] <tgm4883> well the torrent tracker is up, but would we rather use the current one, or make mythbuntu.org with a tracker?
[09:13] <gardengnome> if it's working: why bother?
[09:14] <tgm4883> good point
[09:14] <tgm4883> although is it working is the question
[09:14] <DaveMorris> it is, a friend could download it
[09:14] <gardengnome> lets see
[09:15] <gardengnome> "connecting to peers" ...
[09:20] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: it working yet?
[09:39] <tgm4883> well my router was having major issues, so hopefully its working better now
[09:52] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: nope
[09:56] <superm1_away> keescook, when you build on your pbuilder, make sure that you have a hook to let you include previous builds to resolve build deps
[09:56] <superm1_away> only way to really do it
[09:58] <superm1> Daviey, did you re-run stats at all or anything
[09:58] <gardengnome> superm1: http://www.pastebin.ca/545567
[09:59] <superm1> gardengnome, so we *really* need to drop -03
[09:59] <superm1> to fix inlining and such
[09:59] <gardengnome> superm1: seems so
[09:59] <superm1> -Os a better option?
[10:00] <gardengnome> heh, i remember now. you were a big -Os fan :)
[10:00] <superm1> its -O2 + size, whats to argue?
[10:00] <gardengnome> superm1: we need to talk to upstream about that. AFAIK, they don't really like supporting custom CFLAGS because they can break a lor
[10:00] <gardengnome> i can't make that decision :)
[10:01] <superm1> ok.
[10:01] <gardengnome> s/lor/lot/
[10:01] <gardengnome> i'll write that email to the apache mailing list now
[10:01] <gardengnome> i bet i'll get as many answers as usual
[10:01] <gardengnome> -> zero
[10:02] <superm1> #apache perhaps instead?
[10:02] <gardengnome> tried that already
[10:02] <Daviey> superm1: nope
[10:02] <Daviey> Are you guys seeing the Alpha?
[10:05] <superm1> *seeding
[10:05] <gardengnome> firewall is too restrictive :'(
[10:06] <gardengnome> and i've only got 50kbyte/s at home
[10:07] <superm1> i'll help once i'm home (depending on the demand then)
[10:07] <superm1> i expect it will die down as it moves down the digg pages
[10:08] <tgm4883> oh my goodness, im actually uploading
[10:08] <tgm4883> and all this time I thought it was broke
[10:10] <keescook> superm1: yeah, usually I just wait for publication (I use sbuild)
[10:12] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: I'm not uploading to anyone atm, whats your ip and port and I'll add you as a peer
[10:13] <gardengnome> i'm downloading right now from someone
[10:13] <gardengnome> and uploading at 40kb/s :)
[10:13] <gardengnome> this is my IP:
[10:14] <gardengnome> 88.134.214.235
[10:14] <DaveMorris> superm1: the script isn't building http://www.pastebin.ca/545605 any pointers
[10:14] <tgm4883> im uploading, pretty slow though right now although i was up around 40 earlier
[10:14] <gardengnome> how do i find out the port? i'm running btdownloadcurses.bittornado with default options
[10:14] <superm1> #
[10:14] <superm1> I: Retrieving Release
[10:14] <superm1> #
[10:14] <superm1> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/Release
[10:14] <superm1> that'd be why
[10:14] <DaveMorris> but why isn't it getting it
[10:14] <superm1> try another mirror
[10:14] <DaveMorris> could it be because I' behind a procy?
[10:15] <Daviey> I'm UL @ 20kB/s
[10:15] <superm1> oh does debootstrap listen to apt proxy info i wonder.
[10:15] <superm1> DaveMorris, try HTTP_PROXY="blah:" ./script
[10:15] <gardengnome> do we have a seeder with a *fast* pipe?
[10:16] <superm1> majoridiot
[10:16] <superm1> i'll shoot him a mail
[10:16] <gardengnome> i could summon a few 100 mbit/s if need be
[10:16] <superm1> where is the torrent at ?
[10:16] <gardengnome> http://linux.weilandhomes.com/Mythbuntu.torrent
[10:17] <superm1> Ok sent him a note.  hopefully he can get it on his sreer
[10:17] <superm1> serer
[10:17] <superm1> server
[10:17] <superm1> keescook, is there a big advantage to sbuild over pbuilder?
[10:18] <keescook> for me, speed.
[10:18] <Daviey> somebody with a machine in a datacentre is starting to seed
[10:18] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: hetzner? :)
[10:18] <keescook> I use sbuild with LVM, so I never wait for "unpack" or "uninstall"
[10:18] <keescook> it instantly creates full filesystem snapshots and just drops them when done with the build
[10:18] <DaveMorris> hetzner ?
[10:18] <superm1> oh thats awesome
[10:18] <superm1> takes a ton of space though
[10:18] <superm1> i'd imagine
[10:19] <keescook> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SbuildLVMHowto   it takes as much space as how large you make the filesystems
[10:19] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i was wondering if that machine was located at hetzner, a german ISP. i told someone with a fast server to mirror ir
[10:19] <DaveMorris> that was Daviey
[10:19] <DaveMorris> (21:18:13) Daviey: somebody with a machine in a datacentre is starting to seed
[10:19] <gardengnome> sorry :'(
[10:19] <superm1> gardengnome, that might be majoridiot
[10:20] <gardengnome> nick completion is not that great in here :)
[10:20] <superm1> his is in germany
[10:20] <keescook> I use 4G per master.  for me, that's 10 images total (debian unstable, dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy, on both amd64 and i386)
[10:20] <Daviey> hmm.. popey is starting to seed on his datacentre machine
[10:20] <superm1> is sbuild a recent phenomenom?  because back when i learned last year, pbuilder was the big hit
[10:20] <keescook> superm1: there is a lot of shared knowledge about how pbuilder works, but when I started doing security updates, it was very clear to me that it was a giant CPU waster
[10:21] <keescook> so I took the less-travel path, but documented and scripted it for others.
[10:21] <gardengnome> tgm4883: you sure? i don't see it in my client
[10:21] <keescook> a few people use it, most use pbuilder.
[10:21] <superm1> pbuilder is probably better for "new" packages then, and sbuild for updates
[10:21] <superm1> would you say
[10:21] <tgm4883> whoops, my bad, last couple numbers are different
[10:22] <gardengnome> tgm4883: heh
[10:22] <DaveMorris> superm1: when it fails to get the release in the script, how does it try to get it?
[10:22] <gardengnome> time to reconfigure the firewall on mythwiki.de
[10:22] <superm1> DaveMorris, via debootstrap
[10:23] <superm1> However debootstrap does it internally
[10:23] <Daviey> heh ubuntu-uk.org is about to become a seeder :)
[10:23] <DaveMorris> so have we all learnt the lessons?
[10:24] <Daviey> nope
[10:24] <superm1> no announces on the RSS feed until we have it seeded....
[10:24] <Daviey> oh.. the ubuntu planet doesn't remove deleted posts
[10:25] <tgm4883> im glad that this is working.  I was worried that I built the torrent wrong
[10:25] <tgm4883> i was going to have to leave in shame for screwing something so easy up
[10:25] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 no Daviey put the torrent on the site wrong
[10:26] <Daviey> i fixed it tho
[10:26] <Daviey> i missed a " on the url :s
[10:26] <Daviey> and took forever to fix
[10:26] <tgm4883> is anyone going to throw the 64-bit up there or do we need to test it?
[10:27] <DaveMorris> Daviey: we able to link the iso's against the mirror instead?
[10:27] <Daviey> what mirror?
[10:27] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 I need to build it 1st
[10:27] <DaveMorris> popey's
[10:27] <Daviey> could do
[10:27] <tgm4883> oh sorry, i thought it was built
[10:27] <DaveMorris> superm1: broke the proxy changes I made
[10:27] <DaveMorris> in the script
[10:27] <superm1> i did?
[10:28] <Daviey> Guys, should we change the linky to iso to somebody elses machine?
[10:28] <tgm4883> how do you forward the x session from a headless machine again?
[10:28] <DaveMorris> if [ -z "$HTTP_PROXY" ]  ; then
[10:28] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 ssh -X hostname
[10:28] <tgm4883> ah thanks DaveMorris
[10:28] <DaveMorris> what does that do superm1 ^^
[10:28] <superm1> if its not set, then set it to this
[10:29] <superm1> so if HTTP_PROXY is not an env variable, make one that is this value :
[10:29] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 it isn't the quickest way to handle data but is the easiest and most secure
[10:29] <superm1> assuming your on a wired network
[10:29] <superm1> wireless ,that is going to crawl
[10:30] <tgm4883> i just ask cause someone asked on digg, thought i'd post a reply
[10:30] <DaveMorris> superm1: it should be http_proxy not HTTP_PROXY
[10:30] <superm1> oh its case sensitive?
[10:30] <DaveMorris> yep
[10:31] <superm1> i had no idea env variables could even *be* lower case
[10:31] <DaveMorris> at a later stage I'll change it to parse /etc/apt.conf and if a proxy is in there then use that
[10:31] <superm1> sorry for breaking it :(
[10:31] <DaveMorris> well the amd64 iso is building, are we gonna test it before it goes on the site?
[10:32] <DaveMorris> grr  [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31)]  [Connecting to www.mythbuntu.org (198.247.173.233)] 
[10:32] <superm1> there are a few things that it grabs from the server now
[10:32] <superm1> ubiquity, usplash, gdm, ubiquit-frontend, ubiquity-artwork
[10:32] <DaveMorris> this build may take a while then
[10:33] <superm1> well they are small
[10:33] <superm1> like 5-10 megs total
[10:33] <DaveMorris> but it takes forever to start downloading
[10:33] <DaveMorris> actually its my fucking proxy again
[10:33] <superm1> so what about imbrandon's server is bogged down here? is it because the machine is slow, or are we maxing bandwidth?
[10:35] <superm1> oh the machine is fine now speed wise
[10:35] <superm1> its running right
[10:35] <superm1> i'll get the stats generating then from today
[10:35] <superm1> it appears the cron job isnt doing it automatically
[10:36] <DaveMorris> I: Configuring console-setup...
[10:36] <DaveMorris> I: Configuring ubuntu-minimal...
[10:36] <DaveMorris> I: Base system installed successfully.
[10:36] <DaveMorris> OK
[10:36] <DaveMorris> 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31)]  [Connecting to www.mythbuntu.org (198.247.173.233)] Command terminated by signal 2
[10:36] <DaveMorris> what stage is that at to help me find the problem quicker
[10:36] <superm1> thats the first apt-get
[10:36] <DaveMorris> so step 6?
[10:36] <Daviey> superm1: the load was > 25.00 earlier!
[10:37] <superm1> Daviey, it hit 40 before i left for class
[10:37] <superm1> DaveMorris, dont have the code in front of me, so i dont remember the step number
[10:37] <superm1> but that is the first apt-get
[10:41] <gardengnome> superm1: i just talked to someone in #apache. seems we just need to md5sum user:password:realm
[10:41] <superm1> lol
[10:41] <superm1> really?
[10:41] <superm1> thats it
[10:41] <gardengnome> probably
[10:41] <gardengnome> i'll have to check
[10:41] <superm1> its not user:realm:password?
[10:44] <superm1> Daviey, if you thought yesterday took a long time to process stats: yesterday's log was 25 megs.  Todays is 52
[10:45] <Daviey> oh geez
[10:46] <superm1> it wasn't parsing for webbrowsers or OSs though
[10:46] <superm1> which i wish it was
[10:46] <superm1> not sure where the setting for that is
[10:46] <superm1> last time i setup awstats, it was a lot different of a setup (non apt based)
[10:49] <superm1> keescook, the only thing about waiting for mythtv to get released before building mythplugins: since its introducing some NEW binaries, it will be in the queue for a bit - so it will take a few days before your even able to build mythplugins
[10:50] <keescook> oops.  I will find a work-around.
[10:51] <superm1> UTSL?
[10:53] <gardengnome> superm1: "use the source, luke"
[10:54] <superm1> applying that patch?
[10:54] <gardengnome> no
[10:54] <DaveMorris>  Could not connect to www.mythbuntu.org:80 (198.247.173.233), connection timed out - can you give certain IP's preferential treatment
[10:54] <gardengnome> just trying to find out how it works
[10:54] <gardengnome> superm1: /* Do MD5 stuff */ sprintf(string, "%s:%s:%s", user, realm, pw);
[10:54] <gardengnome> :)
[10:54] <superm1> DaveMorris, i'm not sure how to
[10:55] <superm1> so i was right, the guy in #apache was backwards
[10:55] <DaveMorris> I still think its the proxy of mine though, as ubuntu.com isn't responding now.  We copy the apt.conf file across sucessfully but it isn't using it it seems to resolve the proxy
[10:55] <gardengnome> superm1: heh
[10:56] <Paladine> anyone know if sky use a publically available ntpd?
[10:56] <Paladine> I wanna try and keep my system synced with my skybox time
[10:56] <superm1> Daviey, i can get you the files you need
[10:56] <superm1> can you accept DCC?
[10:57] <superm1> er DaveMorris
[10:57] <DaveMorris> no I can't
[10:57] <superm1> i can mail them then
[10:57] <DaveMorris> its the script which needs fixing, if I work out
[10:58] <DaveMorris> yeah davemorris@mythbuntu.org
[10:58] <superm1> k
[10:59] <DaveMorris> pCan we stick a link to the correct place in LP to report bugs with mythbyntu on the front page of mythbuntu, where they download the stuff from
[10:59] <superm1> ok DaveMorris, extract what i sent you to /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:00] <DaveMorris> superm1: in the chroot?
[11:00] <superm1> I didnt want to until next alpha
[11:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, out of the chroot
[11:00] <superm1> it makes a lnk
[11:00] <superm1> to your local system's
[11:00] <DaveMorris> ok cool
[11:00] <superm1> outside the chroot before you start
[11:00] <superm1> so as to cache archives
[11:00] <superm1> and make future builds faster
[11:00] <superm1> even after cleanup
[11:02] <DaveMorris> ok this is strange, on my actually box, sudo apt-get update works but not apt-get update as root
[11:02] <superm1> env variables are cleaned up
[11:02] <superm1> when you su
[11:02] <DaveMorris> this isn't with the script
[11:02] <gardengnome> only when you "su -" (?)
[11:02] <DaveMorris> its for my normal system
[11:03] <superm1> gardengnome, not sure, I havent run things as root other than sudo since my gentoo days
[11:04] <DaveMorris> script not works when I do it as sudo rather than as root
[11:05] <DaveMorris> btw if anyone in the uk has old rackmount cases I'll buy them :)
[11:17] <superm1> imbrandon, it appears your response didnt show up to the motu-council website
[11:17] <superm1> err list
[11:26] <DaveMorris> amd64 iso, is now built, you want it put on the site?
[11:26] <DaveMorris> I can't test it remotly so I cna't test it now
[11:27] <DaveMorris> also are there short/long tests like they have on the ubuntu site for testing releases?
[11:28] <superm1> we haven't even come up with such a procedure yet :)
[11:28] <superm1> we should do that though-
[11:28] <superm1> DaveMorris, I say upload it, how did you do so before?
[11:28] <DaveMorris> I tested it on a machine at wokr
[11:29] <superm1> did we wget it from you?
[11:29] <DaveMorris> oh, I scp'ed it
[11:29] <DaveMorris> let me put it on a public facing machine
[11:29] <superm1> k
[11:29] <gardengnome> yay
[11:30] <superm1> md5sum magic works gardengnome ?
[11:30] <gardengnome> i've just found the magical hint that'll let me emulate htdigest
[11:30] <gardengnome> yep
[11:30] <superm1> vg
[11:30] <gardengnome> echo *-n* foo:bar:baz | md5sum
[11:30] <gardengnome> -n is important because the "trailing newline" will mess up the md5sum
[11:30] <superm1> so why does htdigest exist if thats all it does?
[11:31] <superm1> why not just have a perl or python script that does that
[11:31] <DaveMorris> superm1: I've almost setup my server for testing on, (1386) it just needs some kvm cables which I have at work I think
[11:31] <gardengnome> superm1: it's all part of the quest, i suppose
[11:31] <superm1> haha gardengnome
[11:32] <DaveMorris> superm1: http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/mythbuntu/
[11:32] <superm1> Thx DaveMorris.  Grabbing right now
[11:33] <superm1> decent speeds too.  680k/s
[11:33] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 can you create a torrent based on them? can you call it the same as the iso to distiguish between it and the i386
[11:33] <DaveMorris> superm1: Uni network
[11:33] <tgm4883_laptop> whats the iso name?
[11:34] <DaveMorris> mythbuntu-7.04~070606-amd64.iso
[11:34] <tgm4883_laptop> reading the faq's on linuxtracker, they don't like the build dates and such in the torrent name
[11:34] <Daviey> bah.. why not
[11:34] <DaveMorris> ok, can you have mythbuntu-alpha-amd64.iso ?
[11:35] <tgm4883_laptop> can totally do that
[11:35] <superm1> oh you know DaveMorris's ISO will actually be alpha1+ a bit
[11:35] <superm1> because i put a few changes into the branch since then
[11:35] <DaveMorris> haha
[11:35] <superm1> some nice changes too
[11:35] <gardengnome> just make your own tracker if they dont like it :)
[11:36] <tgm4883_laptop> :( i have no web server for that.  Although maybe we should look at getting on with the ubuntu torrents
[11:36] <superm1> I agree we should
[11:36] <superm1> we need to set a milestone though
[11:36] <DaveMorris> yeah, superm1 you want daily builds uploaded to mythbuntu.org?
[11:36] <superm1> for when to make another public announce and such
[11:36] <tgm4883_laptop> also, imbrandon was going to look at doing that to the mythbuntu server
[11:37] <superm1> DaveMorris, not daily, because so much is breaking on a day to day basis
[11:37] <superm1> I think just at next milestone
[11:37] <superm1> we should
[11:37] <gardengnome> tgm4883_laptop: you don't need a web server
[11:37] <DaveMorris> ok, just poke me when you want the next one built
[11:37] <superm1> K DaveMorris
[11:37] <gardengnome> tgm4883_laptop: just run bttrack :)
[11:37] <tgm4883> gardengnome, no?
[11:37] <superm1> oh wait DaveMorris i just realize something
[11:37] <superm1> do you have the log
[11:38] <gardengnome> tgm4883: if by "web server" you mean "httpd"
[11:38] <superm1> i wonder what happened to the packages that were not built for 64 bit yet
[11:38] <DaveMorris> superm1: where is the log written to?
[11:38] <superm1> like the usplash
[11:38] <superm1> and ubiquity
[11:38] <superm1> you probably got the ones from ubuntu archive
[11:38] <superm1> doh;:
[11:38] <tgm4883> gardengnome, dont know much about it.  the mythbuntu torrent was my first one
[11:38] <superm1> DaveMorris, it doesnt save unless you tell it to
[11:38] <Daviey> superm1: don't worry - nobody will use the amd64 iso anyway :D
[11:39] <superm1> this iso is going to be pointless then to reflect the latest changes
[11:39] <gardengnome> tgm4883: i was running a tracker for MeinMythTV, a knoppmyth derivate i created for last year's linuxtag
[11:39] <tgm4883> ah
[11:39] <superm1> so guys in terms of the next milestone
[11:39] <superm1> i think we have a few big goals
[11:39] <superm1> that need to be hit upon
[11:39] <superm1> proprietary driver loading / tv out will be my focus
[11:40] <superm1> Daviey, we need that meta sorted out
[11:40] <DaveMorris> superm1: how do I tell it to produce the log?
[11:40] <superm1> ./script > log.txt
[11:40] <superm1> :)
[11:40] <superm1> jetsaredim is looking to break up changes to make them more friendly to merge ubiqjuity back up stream
[11:41] <superm1> what else should we plan to have on the next milestone (based on the blueprints that we have come up with )?
[11:41] <Paladine> weird
[11:41] <superm1> as soon as gardengnome finishes his mythweb magic, i'm going to integrate that too
[11:41] <superm1> into ubiquity
[11:41] <superm1> gardengnome, can you do the change root password debconf stuff too?
[11:41] <Paladine> when I type in the channel number, it doesn't change to the channel, but when I use the cursor arrows and then press enter, it does
[11:41] <superm1> this one is +32 strength
[11:41] <Paladine> oh I know why :)
[11:42] <gardengnome> superm1: for mysql?
[11:42] <superm1> yes
[11:42] <superm1> something that asks to secure
[11:42] <superm1> and if you do secure it
[11:42] <superm1> changes the password
[11:42] <gardengnome> superm1: that shouldn't be hard. i'll assign a blue print to me then
[11:42] <superm1> there is a debconf stub in mysql-server-5.0 for it already
[11:42] <superm1> so it should be pretty straightforward
[11:42] <gardengnome> strength++
[11:42] <gardengnome> nice
[11:43] <superm1> gardengnome, i think you're going to level up really soon
[11:43] <gardengnome> that'll show my WoW buddies
[11:43] <superm1> haha
[11:44] <gardengnome> maybe canonical is gonna give me some special iteams
[11:44] <gardengnome> items*
[11:44] <gardengnome> ;)
[11:44] <superm1> gardengnome's level 45 packager can kick any level 60 paladin's butt
[11:44] <gardengnome> heh
[11:44] <gardengnome> debconf is fun anyways
[11:45] <superm1> interfacing with it in ubiquity is getting easier too :)
[11:45] <superm1> as more and more scripts are getting added in
[11:45] <gardengnome> nice
[11:45] <superm1> okay so that will outline us to the next milestone.
[11:46] <superm1> we need a procedure for testing prepared as well
[11:46] <superm1> as we get closer, DaveMorris would you like to handle organizing that?
[11:46] <DaveMorris> I'll take a look at the ubuntu short and long tests and adapt them to our cause
[11:47] <DaveMorris> is there task tracking on LP?
[11:47] <superm1> via blueprints we can
[11:47] <superm1> based on the stuff i just mentioned we might need a few more blueprints written
[11:47] <Daviey> don't think so.. ubuntu has a seperate webpage for testing / reports on isos
[11:47] <gardengnome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/secure-mysql
[11:47] <gardengnome> <3 blueprints
[11:48] <superm1> Daviey, I think we should push for your control centre for the milestone after this one then too
[11:48] <DaveMorris> have we decided what filesystem to make the recording parttion ?
[11:48] <superm1> Ah thats another thing that needs touching, and probably is over my head
[11:48] <superm1> the partitioner
[11:49] <superm1> any takers :)
[11:49] <DaveMorris> superm1: you a level up potion
[11:49] <gardengnome> nice crickets..
[11:50] <superm1> now later I should be able to kick something out :)
[11:50] <gardengnome> getting psychodelic, huh?
[11:50] <superm1> missed the super mario reference i guess....
[11:51] <superm1> i must be young
[11:51] <DaveMorris> I've just chatted with a lecturer friend who thought the web mythtv-setup would be a suitable project for a final year at the uni, so we might get that done by a student
[11:51] <gardengnome> anyways, i need to spend some time with the significant othe rnow. it's 11:50pm.
[11:51] <gardengnome> superm1: i did not miss the super mario reference.
[11:51] <superm1> DaveMorris, that would be awesome
[11:51] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: he needs some good guidance then. google's sommer of code didn't go so well for mythtv
[11:51] <superm1> DaveMorris, something php based I'd take it?
[11:51] <DaveMorris> only prob is it'll prob take them 8-9 months from now
[11:51] <gardengnome> g'night guys :)
[11:51] <superm1> night gardengnome
[11:52] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: they are actually at the uni so have more supervison
[11:52] <DaveMorris> and I'm there :)
[11:52] <DaveMorris> php based is what I'm thinking with some CSS :)
[11:52] <DaveMorris> night gardengnome
[11:53] <DaveMorris> superm1: you can't be too young to remember super mario
[11:54] <superm1> well 21
[11:55] <DaveMorris> I think that makes gardengnome the youngest at 20
[11:55] <superm1> lol
[11:55] <DaveMorris> Daviey: is >40 ?
[11:55] <Daviey> naa
[11:56] <DaveMorris> >50 ?
[11:56] <superm1> >60 ? man i didnt even know there were linux users that old :)
[11:56] <Daviey> <40
[11:56] <DaveMorris> but > 39?
[11:56] <Daviey> do i have the right to remain silent?
[11:57] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, don't worry about the gdm theme
[11:57] <superm1> i got someone who finished it up last night
[11:57] <superm1> and based it around the logo you did before
[11:58] <DaveMorris> superm1: I've got the mythtv splash install on my works machine now, since I've built those iso's
[11:58] <superm1> have you bulit ubiquity too then?
[11:58] <superm1> if you send me those debs, i can add them to mythbuntu.org
[11:58] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you coming to ubuntu radio live?
[11:58] <Daviey> i mean lugradio live/
[11:58] <DaveMorris> Daviey: no
[11:58] <Daviey> @lart DaveMorris
[11:59] <DaveMorris> I prob should though
[11:59] <Daviey> yes go!
[11:59] <DaveMorris> how much is it? How much is a room?
[11:59] <Daviey> juski will be doing a talk on mythtv
[11:59] <Daviey> DaveMorris: 5 entry
[11:59] <superm1> will he now....
[11:59] <superm1> with what OS?
[11:59] <Daviey> i expect ubuntu tbh
[12:00] <superm1> thats sweet if he does
[12:00] <superm1> i'll have to get a podcast of this
[12:00] <DaveMorris> Daviey: link?
[12:00] <Daviey> He's added mythbuntu to his handout leaflet
[12:00] <superm1> for pointers what to talk about this ubuntu thing next month :)
[12:00] <DaveMorris> for the lazy
[12:00] <Daviey> http://www.lugradio.org/live/2007/index.php/Main_Page
[12:01] <Daviey> DaveMorris: 45-50 for a novotel room
[12:01] <superm1> where is he on the schedule?
[12:01] <Daviey> lighning talk
[12:01] <Daviey> ~20mins IIRC
[12:01] <superm1> there is a BoF
[12:01] <superm1> by Erin Quill
[12:01] <superm1> but not juski?
[12:01] <Daviey> hmm.. not sure
[12:02] <Daviey> His vid is online from last year..
[12:02] <Daviey> he swore not to do it again - seems he is tho
[12:02] <superm1> it really is a weird drug trying to spread it huh?
[12:02] <Daviey> heh
[12:03] <superm1> oh speaking of which, i say we need Daviey's meta of unofficial themes ready by next milestone too
[12:03] <superm1> so Daviey get to it already :)
[12:04] <DaveMorris> I might stay at my rents if I go
[12:04] <DaveMorris> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=WV1+1HT&ie=UTF8&ll=52.625561,-1.818237&spn=0.588535,1.343079&z=10&om=1
[12:04] <DaveMorris>  http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=WV1+1HT&ie=UTF8&ll=52.625561,-1.818237&spn=0.588535,1.343079&z=10&om=1 they are near Ashby-da-la-zouch (towards the top right)
[12:04] <DaveMorris> even
[12:06] <superm1> man i started that stats generation 2 hours ago
[12:06] <superm1> its still chugging
[12:09] <Paladine> man I should have just written a script to sort out my channel numbers and frequencies like I did last time, takes so long to do it in mythtv-setup
[12:12] <Daviey> superm1: next week i'll be much more avaliable
[12:14] <superm1> vg Daviey :)
[12:15] <DaveMorris> superm1:
[12:15] <superm1> yup DaveMorris
[12:15] <Daviey> superm1: your running stats on a machine that is barely responding as it is? :/
[12:15] <superm1> hehe
[12:15] <superm1> its very snappy on ssh
[12:15] <DaveMorris> when I try and load the mythtv-setup it pops up a gtk box saying I need to kill the procces etc
[12:15] <Daviey> heh
[12:15] <superm1>   load average: 0.63, 0.65, 0.85
[12:15] <DaveMorris> when none are running
[12:16] <Daviey> oh.. calmed down some - but http is still slow as heck
[12:16] <superm1> DaveMorris, right it doesnt actually check if any are running
[12:16] <superm1> juts offers to stop them (via init script ) in case they were
[12:16] <Daviey> bandwidth maxed out?
[12:16] <superm1> I think that might be the case
[12:16] <superm1> which is why I really want to see what the stats have to say
[12:17] <superm1> we're also using 408 megs of swap though too
[12:17] <Daviey> oww nasty
[12:17] <DaveMorris> just remove the links to the iso's for a while
[12:19] <superm1> well its not a big deal right now, i mean it will eventually chugg through the stats
[12:19] <superm1> someone else added a mirror
[12:19] <superm1> http://mirror.polorix.net/index.php?dir=Mythbuntu
[12:20] <DaveMorris> link to the iso on the mirror instead of mythbuntu
[12:21] <DaveMorris> then the rest of the site will work better
[12:23] <Daviey> done. :)
[12:23] <Paladine> dave you know what the best deinterlace algorithm is for us brits?
[12:23] <Daviey> Paladine: heh - mine is currently not enabled
[12:23] <superm1> thats a bit country-selfish
[12:23] <Daviey> got better results with it disabled
[12:23] <superm1> for us americans: its bob deint
[12:23] <superm1> :P
[12:23] <Paladine> I get a lot of lines on cartoons like the simpsons
[12:23] <Paladine> it is fine during regular movies and tv, just cartoonsa
[12:24] <Daviey> How are you connecting to your tv?
[12:24] <Paladine> svideo
[12:24] <Daviey> what sort of tv?
[12:24] <Daviey> eww
[12:24] <Paladine> and it is on a monitor not tv
[12:24] <DaveMorris> Paladine: I'm using svideo, I'll check
[12:24] <DaveMorris> mines on a PAL tv though
[12:24] <Daviey> Paladine: can't you use VGA / DVI?
[12:25] <Paladine> I am svideo from the sky box into my pvr250
[12:25] <superm1> wth.  i lost the connection to mythbuntu.org just now
[12:25] <superm1> during the stats update
[12:25] <superm1> i have to start *all* over???
[12:25] <DaveMorris> superm1: use screen ;)
[12:25] <Paladine> my frontend and backend are both on my desktop machine
[12:25] <Daviey> I use DVI -> HDMI cable with deinterlace off and the only noticeable thing is the credits at end of show doesn't always scroll nicely
[12:25] <superm1> should have
[12:25] <superm1> didnt anticipate the need for it on a wired connectoin
[12:26] <DaveMorris> I always use it over the net
[12:26] <DaveMorris> or is mythbuntu next to you?
[12:26] <superm1> well its a state or two away
[12:26] <DaveMorris> I can only see 21 people downloading via torrents
[12:27] <superm1> hmum its still running, but i lost the ssh connection
[12:27] <superm1> i wonder what will happen when it finishes then
[12:28] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, there are only 22 people downloading via the torrent, per the tracker