=== OGDA [n=thomas@216.139.26.215] has joined #xubuntu [12:28] if Only the Higher Being could come and fix all antiquated architechture of sub-par nature For Us. [12:28] that's what i really meant to say I think. [12:28] ;D [12:29] that goes in the quote book i think. === OGDA is now known as BFTD === aliasrush [n=aliasrus@cpe-024-211-104-040.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === test3r actually should count his lucky stars thtat he has friends leet enuf to jus plop these boxes in his lap to try to put tux onto [12:35] um this DELL has a usb keyboard - will tux b able to do that?? [12:36] it should [12:36] im using one right now [12:36] aite awesome [12:37] i'm at work and i even have a microsoft keyboard (that windows ironically needs drivers to be able to use) and linux interfaces with it flawlessly [12:37] microsoft usb keyboard* [12:38] ? [12:38] yeah [12:38] I used a wireless MS one [12:39] i tried mapping the windows key as a shortcut, but alas it didn't work :( === rothchild [n=rothchil@cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust236.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has left #xubuntu ["Kopete] [12:40] yeah u can get that winbows key to work as the menu launcher in here someHows [12:40] i like it off as i play things like Doom [12:41] nice 704desk is booting on that intel910 [12:41] we might have to get some RAM for this bx afterall [12:42] the heatsink inside it is the biggest ive ever seen ever [12:43] there are no fans. planety of vents but no fan that i can tell. runs very very quiet [12:43] will make a Gr8 server [12:44] oh shnap- del util and del restore are on here [12:44] do i hav a burner prob on livecd? [12:44] out to hookup dvdburner i think === kmindi [n=noname@dslb-084-056-134-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu === kmindi[1] [n=noname@dslb-084-056-141-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:02] n/m prob best to do that all from Nero === kmindi[1] is now known as kmindi === Catoptromancy [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === aliasrush_ [n=aliasrus@cpe-024-211-104-040.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === cellofellow [n=josh@72-55-219-118.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:07] is the Feisty Server installer normally very slow? [01:07] cellofellow: dunno, haven't tried it [01:07] cellofellow: i wouldn't assume it to be any slower than a desktop install [01:07] I expect an Ubuntu installation to take like 1/2 an hour, maybe a bit more in a VM, but this has been running for hours. [01:08] Is the Alt CD just slow? [01:09] cellofellow: only time i ever used alt cd was on a really old machine with 64mb of ram, and it took about 2 hours [01:09] I know the alt cd uses apt to unpack and install stuff instead of just uncompressing a single image. Is that why it's slow? === _aussieman- [n=bobo@215.Red-83-32-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:10] cellofellow: well, i would imagine that to create some overhead, yes [01:10] cellofellow: unpacking and installing will always take longer than just copying data [01:10] cellofellow: i thought the installer used dpkg? [01:10] I guess so. [01:10] apt, dpkg, whatever [01:10] lol [01:11] I think Debian uses apt. That's why the netinstall thing works. [01:11] ahhhh, yes .. that would make more sense === maxamillion huggles net install [01:12] This thing has been "Unpacking base system" for about an hour. [01:13] I know it's not frozen. It's chugging away. [01:13] cellofellow: yeah, that's probably about right if its on a virtual system ... what virtual system you using? [01:13] vBox [01:14] cellofellow: what are the specs of the machine running it? [01:14] 450Mhz PIII, 319 MB RAM, 128MB Virtual RAM. [01:15] Windows 2000 runs just fine. [01:15] in VBox. [01:15] cellofellow: how long did it take to install win2k on the vBox? [01:16] two, maybe three hours. Debian Etch Netinstall didn't take this long either. [01:16] maybe an hour [01:16] well i know ubuntu installer is slower than debian's because ubuntu's base system has more stuff to it than debian's === DaBeowulf [n=stefan@pD9EBCFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #Xubuntu [01:19] 'lo. o/ [01:21] I'm kind of puzzled. I installed the OS now and booted it from the disk and now I can no longer enable the NVidia drivers through the 'Restricted drivers' menu. [01:21] !nvidia [01:21] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [01:22] It's listed but when I try to enable it I get prompted for my pass again, now and then, and can click on enable on the Note! dialog thing but it does not appear to do a thing then. [01:22] Thanks checking that now. [01:22] !ati [01:22] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto === Smygis [n=smygis@e611.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu === usr_rob_ [n=robert@c-c6dae055.105-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #xubuntu [01:26] O_o I don't meet the listed "prerequisites", but I could enable it via the aforementioned option when I booted from the Desktop CD. [01:27] I do it the oldschool way: install nvidia-glx and edit xorg.conf [01:28] *wave* cellofellow [01:28] *big *wave* vidd [01:28] whoops [01:29] been a while [01:29] a bit of a while, yeah [01:30] hey hey, the vBox ubuntu installer has moved on. [01:30] cellofellow: w00t [01:30] i wish they would release vBox for amd64 [01:30] what is vbox? [01:31] virtualbox. It's a free virtualizer [01:31] ... beat me to it [01:31] maxamillion: just use QEMU or VMware I guess. [01:31] cellofellow: yeah, i use qemy [01:32] qemu* [01:32] cellofellow: but its slower [01:32] and i refuse to touch vmware ... too many horror stories [01:32] brb [01:32] Way slower. It's not even considered a virtual machine, it's an emulator. [01:33] VirtualBox is quick, almost as fast as kQEMU, and really easy to use. [01:34] Easy to install too. Just a simple installation of a single deb package. [01:35] kQEMU is not easy to install at all. === _aussieman- [n=bobo@215.Red-83-32-188.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:41] cellofellow: isn't it in the repos now? [01:41] don't think so. If it is, it's in multiverse. Or you may have a choice between the PUEL binary and an Ubuntu-built GPL version. [01:42] not in my repos === aliasrush [n=aliasrus@cpe-024-211-104-040.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:43] I feel cleaner [01:43] got rid of all KDE apps and libs [01:43] :-) [01:43] And here I am trying to find out how to make all of my friggin Qt apps look better by themeing Qt. Whoopy. [01:44] cellofellow: they will look better once you port them to GTK or find a GTK alternative ;) [01:45] wow,Dells tech support is like nonexistant when it comes to their backup partition [01:45] All I use is: Scribus, VirtualBox, and sometimes Opera. [01:45] i setup nero inwinblows all ready to bak up this partition, and i find out,its ghosted from windows [01:45] But they still look like junk. [01:47] cellofellow: virtualBox is written in qt? [01:47] the Desktop frontend is Qt. [01:47] but it's mostly SDL. [01:48] cellofellow: huh ... interesting, and i swore opera was independent of both gtk and qt [01:48] is there a gtk torrenter? [01:48] Nope. Opera uses statically linked Qt in windows and optionally for *nix, but it's still Qt. [01:48] I used to have ktorrent [01:49] deluge I like. It's like ktorrent only in PyGTK. [01:49] !deluge-torrent [01:49] Sorry, I don't know anything about deluge-torrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:49] !info deluge-torrent [01:49] Package deluge-torrent does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [01:49] bah [01:49] Catoptromancy: deluge ... its not in the repos, but there is a .deb for ubuntu on their download page [01:49] cool [01:49] I thought it was in backports [01:49] Catoptromancy: http://deluge-torrent.org/ [01:49] josh@lordpenguin:~$ apt-cache search deluge [01:49] deluge-torrent - A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK [01:49] cellofellow: not to my knowledge .... [01:50] cellofellow: oh, huh [01:50] i dunno [01:50] nvm, don't listen to me [01:50] it wasn't there when feisty released [01:51] cool i got the svn [01:51] oh, huh ... i don't have backports enabled in my sources.list [01:52] guess that's why i can't see it [01:52] ah, it's not in the repos. It's a hangover from when I found it in Edgy Backports. Wonder why it's not in Feisty. [01:52] cellofellow: no clue [01:52] Catoptromancy: they have a svn snapshot in a .deb package? [01:52] dunno [01:53] I just got svn [01:53] oh, ok ... you just compiling from source? [01:53] ill see how its work pretty soon [01:53] ya [01:53] cool cool [01:53] i don't like compiling unless i have to [01:53] "compile"? It's Python. [01:54] oh, rgr [01:54] cellofellow: well, you can compile python [01:54] technically .... [01:54] I know, but you don't /need/ to like C. [01:54] cellofellow: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Downloads <--- the ubuntu snippet is confusing [01:56] looks like the "DO NOT INSTALL..." stuff is a little dated. There must have been something wrong with it that got it pulled. [01:57] cellofellow: yeah, that would make sense [01:57] i would think a MOTU would get it back in there though [01:58] I still don't get why it worked when I booted from the CD and refuses when I try the same from the disk install. [01:58] DaBeowulf: why what worked? [01:58] his nvidia [01:58] ah [01:59] oh, i'm off work! :) [01:59] laters all [01:59] i'll bbl [02:01] Could it be I'm not priviledged enough with my current login and it fails to tell me? Although I'm the first user to log in and the one I entered the info of during the install? [02:01] I was able to set the time to what's it actually here atm, though. [02:01] what does `lspci | grep vga` in a terminal say? [02:02] nada! =o [02:02] just lspci then [02:02] or grep VGA [02:02] ack [02:02] maybe ill get .tar [02:02] svns always like to error [02:03] DaBeowulf: ? [02:04] VGA comp controller: NV greedy evil Corp :P NV34 GF FX5200 rev al [02:04] huh [02:04] lsmod | grep nv [02:04] or NV, dunno which [02:04] lsmod grep 'nv|NV' [02:06] Nothing. === Sleepy_Coder [n=sucky_ke@adsl-69-225-6-59.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:07] make that lsmod | egrep 'nv|NV' [02:07] sorry, I'm still learning these regex's. [02:07] I'm trying updating important stuff with System -> Update Manager first atm [02:07] ok [02:07] haha tell me :P [02:07] use egrep -i '^nv' [02:08] (we need to get down dirty and avoid GUI for this stuff. Sorry but it just isn't working.) [02:08] case-insensitive, "nv" at the beginning of the string [02:08] and crimsun the guru comes to save the day. Yay! [02:08] deluge looks pretty cool [02:08] not a guru, just a jelly belly ingester. [02:09] josh@lordpenguin:~$ lsmod | egrep -i '^nv' [02:09] nvidia 3930348 12 [02:09] lol [02:10] DaBeowulf: when update manager is done doing its thing, then we get down and dirty [02:13] invalid option -- ^ [02:13] even with the -i and quotes? [02:13] I don't get that egrep thing you want me to do down it seems. [02:14] Yes === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.220.21.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:14] all this does is see if nvidia is installed and running or not [02:14] "" Quotes or '' ones? [02:14] single ones [02:14] just copy/paste from here [02:14] Yeah tried them. [02:14] somethings wrong [02:14] lsmod | egrep -i '^nv' [02:14] worked here [02:14] compiling wine shouldn't take 2 hours [02:14] I would expect it to [02:15] hmm Nothing now. :S [02:15] that [02:15] s a "no nvidia" [02:15] ok [02:15] you can only have one dpkg-based program running at a time. For now, Update Manager takes that cake. [02:15] it takes 2 mins on my other system [02:15] :/ [02:16] but sure that system is 3 times more powerful, this one shouldn't take more then 20 mins [02:16] It's finished by now. === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-100-200.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:17] Is Firefox one such as well? [02:17] yes, FF is beast to compile. [02:17] Hmm on 2nd thought can't be [02:18] dpkg based since I had that open and running with the Up Man at the same time [02:18] open up the GUI app Software Sources from Settings (I know I said no GUI, but this one works ok) [02:18] DaBeowulf: yup [02:18] dpkg stuff is apt-get, synaptic, aptitude, gdebi, update-manager. that about covers it. [02:18] dpkg itself === CokeMan [n=CokeMan@ip68-110-144-164.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:19] Hmm can't find that there. [02:19] Apps -> System -> Software Sources isn't there? [02:19] is there any way to make the mouse not have a threshold and stuff? i just want it to move one speed the same speed all the time. im using xfce. [02:20] Ah lokked under Settings [02:20] CokeMan: try the Mouse Settings in Settings [02:20] DaBeowulf: no, it's definetly system. Unless you're not using Feisty. It might be somewhere else in an older version. [02:20] Hmm 3rd party softs? [02:21] is all the Ubuntu Software stuff checked off? [02:21] Got it, you said Settings before and I overlooked it in System [02:21] cellofellow: yeah, but all those settings seem to make my mouse move at variable rates, unless im making it all up in my head./ [02:21] main, universe, multiverse, restricted? [02:21] CokeMan: something in xorg.conf will fix that up, I just don't know what. [02:22] soft restricted by multi yes [02:22] and legal copyright/issues [02:22] cellofellow, lol, im a linux noob, thats not gonna help. :P [02:22] check all the boxes under the Ubuntu Software tab (except Source Code unless you really want it.) [02:22] Ok that they were, then. [02:23] CokeMan: Sorry, but you'll have to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf I think to mess with the mouse settings. [02:23] DaBeowulf: apply by closing the app. [02:23] cellofellow, ok, i'll browse around [02:23] done [02:24] Here comes the Terminal [02:24] open a terminal and type `sudo aptitude` [02:24] =0 stuff [02:25] type /nvidia in there to search for the drivers [02:25] no, wait, let's do it the easy way. close aptitude [02:25] just hit q [02:25] nv kernel common [02:25] ok [02:26] Are we following something here: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_nvidia_feisty ? [02:26] run sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` [02:26] I've done this a dozen times [02:26] those are back-ticks around uname [02:27] So the command starts with 'run'? [02:27] no [02:27] sorry [02:27] nm [02:27] sudo then? [02:27] yes [02:27] sudo means "do as superuser" and makes you a pseudo-root. [02:28] so, you can pronounce it sue-dough or sue-do [02:28] is it doing it? [02:28] Yes, thanks. [02:29] Anyone in here wasting his/her time with Unreal Tournament in here? [02:29] Ah nm. [02:30] nope. Seeing as I have a PIII and a Legacy NVIDIA card (don't worry they install the same as normal nvidias) I can't. [02:30] Well, I meant the original one from '99 so you should be able to. :) [02:31] Honestly, I don't like shooter games too much. [02:31] I did that on pretty much the same hardware (TNT2 32MB) [02:31] that's what I have here. [02:31] A fine card IMO. [02:32] I have two here at home. Too bad I can't have em both in the same box. (My boxes only have one AGP port apiece.) === kalikiana is now known as grendel === grendel is now known as kalikiana [02:32] It finished, now Ctrl-Alt-Backspoace? [02:32] not yet [02:32] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [02:33] that will configure X. Most important part is selecting the nvidia driver when it asks. [02:34] there's nv and nvidia [02:34] nv is the open source not-very-good nvidia driver that comes with. nvidia is what you just installed. [02:35] you are using nv right now. [02:35] cellofellow: it's very good, much better than the proprietary nvidia one, just doesn't support acceleration [02:35] I see. [02:35] 'pends on what you call 'good' I guess. [02:35] what's the new free nvidia driver called? [02:35] again [02:36] the one that GNU is still developing. [02:36] and Canonical is helping I believe. [02:36] noveau. [02:36] that's it [02:36] cellofellow: good = no memory leaks, no known bugs, fast, small [02:36] I'd love to see that actually work. [02:37] I suppose. [02:37] os[Linux 2.6.20-16-generic i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz @ 1.99GHz] mem[Physical : 495MB, 53.2% free] disk[Total : 17.53GB, 53.30% Free] video[Intel Corporation ] sound[] [02:37] didn't know nvidia had all of that though. [02:38] cellofellow: and more :) [02:38] cellofellow: google for it if you're interested [02:38] cellofellow: nvidia driver is bloatware [02:38] but I like 3D stuff. :( [02:38] at least it's better than ATI. [02:38] how do i figure out the socket type of my CPU? [02:39] cellofellow: write them an engry letter demanding they release the documentation, you will have a free driver in 3 days [02:39] s/engry/angry [02:39] I think the first part of that has been tried a thousand times. [02:39] cellofellow: you'd be surprised [02:40] Got the mainboard's manual BFTD? [02:40] DaBeowulf no [02:40] Got the MoBo's make and model number and google? [02:41] Celeron 2GHz maybe that narrows it down to one already? [02:41] cellofellow what do you advise kernel framebuffer Y/N? [02:42] I say try Y and if things sort of fizzle cause of it, switch to N. [02:42] I don't notice any real difference. [02:42] 'specially cause my X resolution does't match my fb resolution. [02:43] So to later switch it I'd just run reconf xorg again? [02:43] yes === Smygis_ [n=smygis@e611.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu === _aussieman- [n=bobo@181.Red-83-37-30.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:48] DaBeowulf: how's it coming? [02:49] keyboard model [02:49] is there any way to make the mouse not have a threshold and stuff? i just want it to move one speed the same speed all the time. im using xfce. [02:49] kb 121 it reads on the back but that's not listed in the help text [02:50] Settings Mouse Behaviour? [02:50] i guess [02:51] ah so slider far left does still have some? [02:51] DaBeowulf: it should just need to know what layout the keys are. [02:53] >_< I assumed ESC was 1 step back just made an ass out of me and me :P [02:54] just start over I guess. [02:55] Eek mouse stuff now, I just wanted to switch to the NVidia prop drivers and that was about it ^_^ === test3r [n=shane@71-89-151-154.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has left #xubuntu [] [02:59] ah, well [02:59] all you have to say is that it's a 2 or 3 button mouse usually. [03:00] gah! the kernel that comes with the Server edition of Ubuntu just sort of doesn't work with VBox. [03:01] Right I'm searching for the proper name of my Monitor now :P (oh it asked for the conn port, too) [03:02] jee === Jester45 [n=ryan@d36-102.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:11] damn it didn't say it asked for horizontal 1st and then vertical; Ithought it was both in one go, that's what I get when getting cocky and try advanced :P [03:11] I think I'll have to do this again.. \o/ [03:13] whee finished [03:13] Now Ctrl Alt Bckspc? [03:14] sure [03:15] thanks cu o/ === DaBeowulf [n=stefan@pD9EBCFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #Xubuntu [] === Nikilos [n=niki@168-103-157-233.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:16] Hi [03:16] I was wondering if anyone could help me with the installation of GIMPShop [03:18] !gimpshop === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-84-11.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:18] gimpshop is a hack that makes The Gimp look and feel more like Photoshop. A .deb for Ubuntu is available via http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 [03:18] I know what it is, but I don't know if it is in the repos [03:18] hey, look at that. === test3r [n=shane@71-89-151-154.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:19] I downloaded the .deb and ran it [03:19] I ran GIMP, but it doesn't look any different [03:19] ran it? [03:19] I would think gimpshop is a separate app. [03:19] You mean you use GDebi-GTK to install it? === jgamio [n=jgamio@201.208.147.12] has joined #xubuntu [03:19] !gdebi-gtk [03:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about gdebi-gtk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:19] hey - what happens if i run "Root Kit Revealer" on a multi-boot machine from winblows??? will it show the tux dist as a kit? or will a tru root show up at all???? [03:19] !info gdebi-gtk [03:19] Package gdebi-gtk does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [03:20] test3r: probably won't look outside of the windows partition [03:20] !gdebi [03:20] Sorry, I don't know anything about gdebi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:20] bah [03:21] !info gdebi-core [03:21] oh thats a good point u would have to point it to scan another partition or 'drive' as windows sees it and i dont think you can even do that [03:21] gdebi-core: Simple tool to install deb files. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.4ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 13 kB, installed size 476 kB [03:21] !info gdebi [03:21] gdebi: Simple tool to install deb files. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.4ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 29 kB, installed size 220 kB [03:21] Nikilos: look in the menu for something called gimpshop instead of gimp. === DaBeowulf [n=stefan@pD9EBCFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #Xubuntu [03:22] There isn't a thing called Gimpshop in the menu [03:22] Now Wine. :D [03:22] Nikilos: let me look at this [03:23] 704's partitioning step in the install managed to pass its point with only One logical partition left in the disk scheme [03:23] it must have made the swap an extended of the main tx partititon [03:23] Haha that reconf xorg got me rid of my mousewheel.. [03:24] that's default for debian and ubuntu. use only one primary part, one extended, and then the rest logical inside the extended. [03:24] ill be sure to thank DELL for making a partition that is 5MB on the main hdd [03:24] and another that is 2.5G [03:24] DaBeowulf: did you choose "3-button emulation"? or whatever [03:24] thats default?????! because it has Always made a seperate swap partition [03:25] on every box [03:25] ive ever setup with buntu. and im on box ~20 now [03:25] test3r, did you get a new dell pre-installed with ubuntu...or is this an older box? [03:25] oh, never mind [03:25] no it is a very older box with winxp already on it [03:25] No. Hmm wasn't the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg [03:25] ? [03:25] im trying to leave it intact [03:25] for the challenge [03:26] yeah, DaBeowulf [03:26] xserver is not installed and no info is available.. [03:26] well- not Very older- it has a 2.8Ghrz pent4 in it, but only 256 ram [03:27] xserver-xorg [03:27] biggest heatsink ive Ever Seen. its a fanless box. [03:27] Thanks. >_< [03:27] a fanless box? [03:27] sweet === Nikilos [n=niki@168-103-157-233.tukw.qwest.net] has left #xubuntu [] [03:28] DaBeowulf: the command is sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg (your forgot the last hyphen) [03:28] the heat sink is big i could take it to a scrap yeard and get a , well, something fun with the return money [03:28] how they expect the processor to not melt? [03:28] theheat sink is the size of my head [03:28] =x [03:29] gota b a cool $20 in scrap in just the sink itself. === thirdy [n=thirdy@58.69.35.39] has joined #xubuntu === illu45 [n=illusha@p-dynamic-border5-46.xDSL-1mm.sentex.ca] has joined #xubuntu [03:31] theres Gota b a fan somewheres in it- but its not on the bak. and its quieter than all &$*#, too [03:31] Yes, thanks j1mc [03:31] Good Morning Everyone! [03:32] morning? [03:32] thirdy, where you @? [03:32] Good morning Vietnam! [03:32] oic it Now. it is on te front InSide of the case. and yes it is very quiet and quite big [03:32] CET [03:32] vidd, xubuntu === vidd likes noisy fans....gives him piece of mind that they are working....=] [03:33] vidd, why? [03:33] cuzz you said "morning" thirdy [03:34] yeah i hear u there, vidd. i had a false warning from my mobo temp monitors te other day because it decided it needed the chasis fan monitor active even tho ive never had a chasis fan ad of course there was no current to it so it freeks out and i freek outthen realise it was over nothing [03:34] it just got dark here.... [03:37] haha duh it says horizontal and vertical >_< [03:38] nice. Dell Dimension 3100. up and running 7.04 with SafeMode graphics. time to get windows to accept it, then try reconfiging xserver 4 oGL graphics. [03:38]