[12:54] <nixternal> I am here now, just a tad bit late though :)
[04:09] <GreySim> Does anyone here know how to set up Edubuntu's automatic swap server under normal Ubuntu Feisty?
[04:43] <GreySim> Anyone know how to get nbdswapd without actually installing ltsp-server? I'm actually using Ubuntu Feisty, but figured the people in here would be more intimately familiar with LTSP and probably nbdswapd.
[04:44] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[04:51] <ace_suares> GreySim: maybe #ltsp
[05:20] <Armagon> Greetings.
[05:21] <Armagon> I'm trying to get an edubuntu server/client setup working, and am having problems.
[05:21] <Armagon> I finally got the DHCP server working tonight.
[05:22] <Armagon> Having done that, I tried doing a Network boot with two separate computers, but it hasn't worked.
[05:23] <Armagon> Tailing /var/log/syslog, I see that the ethernet link goes up and down (I'm using a direct link between two computers -- the cable goes right between them, and, as the server (a MacBook) automatically detects how the signal works, I don't need a crossover cable (which I don't have)).  The link goes up and down, but no DHCP request is issued during the time that the other PC tried to boot over the network.
[05:26] <Armagon> Wait.  Aha.  Network boot was disabled in the BIOS on the second computer I'm trying this with ...
[05:27] <Armagon> Hmm...  It did a DHCP request, and got an address, but ended up with "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout."
[06:22] <moquist> Burgundavia: It's working out to get whiprush to present. Thanks a million for prompting me to contact him.
[06:22] <Burgundavia> no worries
[06:26] <jsgotangco> whiprush coming back? cool
[08:08] <moquist> highvoltage: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[09:08] <bibstha> hi everybody
[09:09] <LaserJock> hi bibstha
[09:10] <bibstha> LaserJock: Any idea how to install edubuntu on top of ubuntu??
[09:10] <LaserJock> sure
[09:10] <bibstha> LaserJock: through CD??
[09:10] <LaserJock> you can install edubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <bibstha> LaserJock: coz no high speed net here
[09:11] <LaserJock> and then if you grab the Edubuntu Classroom Server Addon CD you can install the educational apps from CD
[09:11] <RichEd> hi willvdl & LaserJock ... sorry I missed the meeting last night ... was ill in bed with some sort of flu and gastric ...
[09:12] <bibstha> LaserJock: oh, that means, now that i have ubuntu installed, just the server addon cd will be enough? apt-cdrom add??
[09:12] <RichEd> was not a happy chappie ... but sort of better today
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: hi, working on a email for you now
[09:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: thanks ...
[09:12] <LaserJock> bibstha: that will have the educational software, you should just pop it in
[09:13] <bibstha> LaserJock: thanks i should download that then
[09:13] <LaserJock> bibstha: for installing edubuntu-desktop I'm not sure if those packages are on the Ubuntu CD
[09:13] <LaserJock> I'm guessing not
[09:13] <LaserJock> but I don't think it should a big download
[09:16] <bibstha> LaserJock: hey man thanks
[09:17] <bibstha> LaserJock: the desktop cd is for live booting, the server cd is for installing, whats the actual difference with regard to the programs inside?
[09:18] <LaserJock> ah
[09:18] <LaserJock> well right now for Feisty the Desktop CD is good for demos
[09:18] <LaserJock> and have a look around
[09:18] <LaserJock> but if you want to install and LTSP server
[09:18] <LaserJock> or do a regular install (we call it workstation)
[09:18] <LaserJock> the Server CD is the way to go
[09:19] <LaserJock> it's basically got Ubuntu plus some additional stuff
[09:19] <LaserJock> and then the Server Addon CD has a lot more educational apps and a few misc. programs
[09:19] <bibstha> LaserJock: ohh, so to just install gcompris and other games then server addon,
[09:20] <bibstha> LaserJock: thanks again
[09:21] <LaserJock> bibstha: gcompris, KDE Edu, and others are on the Server Addon
[09:40] <Tom47> would edubuntu be a good choice as the basis for a small business ltsp or are there better choices to be considered
[09:40] <LaserJock> I personally think it's a good choice
[09:40] <LaserJock> Edubuntu's LTSP implementation is pretty solid
[09:40] <Tom47> i was thinking that
[09:41] <RichEd> Tom47: you can also install ubuntu server, and then LTSP package, and then the ubuntu-desktop package
[09:41] <LaserJock> and with Feisty it's much less "kiddy" oriented if you install from the Classroom Server CD
[09:41] <LaserJock> I personally would go with Edubuntu Classroom Server install then install ubuntu-artwork
[09:42] <LaserJock> then you get the automated LTSP setup from Edubuntu
[09:42] <Tom47> RichEd: that would put a lot of function on the client or not?
[09:42] <LaserJock> and an artwork tweak from Ubuntu
[09:42] <Tom47> LaserJock: yes sounds along the lines we were thinking
[09:43] <LaserJock> either way is going to be fairly easy
[09:43] <Tom47> RichEd: what factors would sway things in yr suggestion?
[09:43] <RichEd> Tom47: not sure exactly what your comment asks ... but the server is the base, the LTSP is the thin client "support" and then the desktop is needed on the server to give the thin clients a desktop ... with all of the standard ubuntu desktop applications
[09:44] <RichEd> Tom47: check out this link as well http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=161
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[09:44] <RichEd>  	Catalog of Free and Open Source Software for Small-Medium Enterprises  	
[09:44] <RichEd> 	Open Source Victoria has prepared this catalog of open source software for small-medium enterprises. Within it, we have researched and provided a synopsis on a range of software which we believe will be beneficial to many businesses and small public-sector organisations.
[09:44] <Tom47> RichEd: prob reflects my ignoranace on just exactly what the desktop is
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[09:44] <jsgotangco> nice link!
[09:45] <RichEd> Tom47: the server install would just give the "network resource engine" ... the desktop I refer to is the GUI and user applications
[09:46] <Tom47> ok
[09:46] <RichEd> jsgotangco: and this one http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155
[09:46] <RichEd> jsgotangco: same for education ... nice doc ... lots of apps tested & reviewed
[09:46] <LaserJock> RichEd: on the other hand, Edubuntu LTSP server install is all of that, automated
[09:47] <LaserJock> it just needs a artwork tweak to make it more business looking
[09:47] <RichEd> LaserJock: is the artwork tweak documented ?
[09:47] <LaserJock> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:47] <LaserJock> ^^ documented ;-)
[09:48] <RichEd> there is a push for a small business server strategy and support ... so this sort of question will come up more frequently
[09:48] <LaserJock> actually, you really only need:
[09:48] <jsgotangco> RichEd: too bad its not my field anymore
[09:48] <RichEd> and thanks for the answer :)
[09:48] <LaserJock> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[09:49] <RichEd> jsgotangco: so noted ... just getting the info up in the conversation for completion ... this is the edu channel no ? ;)
[09:49] <Tom47> it just seemed to us that starting off with ltsp and building would be reinventing many wheels
[09:49] <jsgotangco> RichEd: :P
[09:50] <RichEd> Tom47: LaserJock suggests the easier route ... Edubuntu off CD and then artwork change
[09:50] <Tom47> RichEd: ok ty ....
[09:50] <RichEd> we also recommend for a LTSP newbie to install (the easier) edubuntu LTSP to get a grip, and then to try the ubuntu route if they need to or want to
[09:50] <LaserJock> gimme a sec and I'll tell you what you'll get
[09:51] <RichEd> * not only will you get a leading LTSP environment but also, if you install now, you'll get:
[09:51] <RichEd> (take it away LaserJock :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> hurry up
[09:58] <Tom47> i am about to hit the dinner gong here
[09:58] <jsgotangco> well you can just remove up all the edu stuff anyways
[09:58] <Tom47> thanks for info
[09:58] <jsgotangco> its only one system you are pretty much fixing
[09:58] <LaserJock> ok, installing ubuntu-desktop
[09:58] <Tom47> i will leave this running
[09:58] <LaserJock> gives you some mono libs
[09:58] <LaserJock> and artwork
[09:58] <Tom47> and back in half an hour
[09:58] <jsgotangco> yeah tomboy is in default
[09:59] <LaserJock> I've gotta run to bed
[09:59] <LaserJock> cya all
[09:59] <Tom47> LaserJock: thanks for advice
[10:00] <jsgotangco> great twitter is out again *sigh*
[11:36] <schizmatik> hello
[11:47] <ludoRA> Bonjour
[11:47] <ludoRA> Hello
[11:48] <RichEd> hi ludoRA
[01:51] <aze> hi all
[01:51] <aze> any french edubuntu users here ? :p
[02:20] <aze> salutr ludoRA
[02:20] <aze> ludoRA: tu s francophone ?
[02:20] <ludoRA> oui oui
[02:20] <ludoRA> bonjour aze
[02:21] <aze> tu utilises edubuntu pour tes enfants ou pour des ecoles ?
[02:23] <aze> ludoRA: je l'ai installe dans une ecole
[02:23] <aze> ludoRA: un journal voudrait faire un article sur cette initiative
[02:24] <ludoRA> j'ai utilis edubuntu pour permettre  des parents de laisser des enfants devant leur pc sans risque pour leurs donnes ni pour le contenu de ce qu'ils manipulent
[02:24] <ludoRA> je connais mal edubuntu en ralit
[02:24] <ludoRA> mais trs bien ubuntu
[02:24] <ludoRA> (sorry for this french dialog)
[02:25] <ludoRA> ;-)
[02:25] <aze> ludoRA: je cherche en fait deux ou trois themes pour l'article
[02:25] <aze> ludoRA: +1 :p
[02:25] <aze> il y a tellement de chose a mettre en avant sur ubuntu et edubuntu que je ne voudrais pas passer a cote de quelque chose
[02:28] <aze> ludoRA: a propos d'ubuntu tu l'utilises dans ton travail ?
[05:41] <Stream_Space> hello
[06:49] <willvdl> I've cleaned up the wiki a bit
[06:49] <willvdl> we now have spaces for website devel, doc devel and wiki devel
[06:51] <willvdl> want to drop the refence to "Devel" in wiki since the wiki is all about development
[08:16] <LaserJock> morning Edu Land
[08:16] <LaserJock> ogra: so did Tribe 1 work out?
[08:59] <Luke802>  Hello I am trying to install edubuntu 6.06 but after it gets to the part of the installation "Building LTSP Chroot" it hangs at 50% complete for a while then goes to black screen with 2 small white rectangles and just fails...
[09:00] <Luke802>  has anyone else had this problem?
[09:10] <Luke802>  Hello I am having a problem with Edubuntu 6 install
[09:10] <Luke802>  IT just seems to hang after 50% of "building LTSP chroot"
[09:10] <Luke802>  anyone have had this problem?
[09:15] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:15] <LaserJock> I haven't
[09:15] <LaserJock> but that seems vaguely familiar
[09:17] <Luke802>  hrmmm
[09:17] <Luke802>  Anyone have a good md5SUm checker for windows?
[09:17] <Luke802>  i'll try and check the iso i downloaded
[09:20] <stgraber> Luke802: md5sum exists for Windows
[09:20] <stgraber> it works the same way as on Linux (you have to call it from cmd.exe)
[09:27] <bluekuja> ogra: you there?
[10:36] <energymedia> Hi All :o)
[10:57] <energymedia> Does anyone have experience using Edubuntu server (ltsp)?  Im struggling to get thin client desktop units connecting to the server, are there any obvious things I should check.  I have checked and rechecked everything - the only thing I have noticed is that the step by step guide on the web did not match with what I was doing, have there been any changes to the software that are not shown on...
[10:57] <energymedia> ...the website?
[10:58] <LaserJock> ogra: cjwatson showed me where the app-install stuff comes from
[10:58] <ogra> LaserJock, ah, cool
[10:59] <LaserJock> energymedia: what Edubuntu release are you using, and where on the website are you looking?
[10:59] <energymedia> laserjock - we just downloaded 7.04
[10:59] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm not exactly sure how to plug in our changes to it
[10:59] <LaserJock> ogra: but for the applications.menu it does a simple cp
[11:00] <energymedia> laserjock - I followed the steps at http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[11:00] <ogra> LaserJock, lets look at that tomoroow, i'm on mz waz to the bathtub :)
[11:00] <ogra> gah
[11:00] <LaserJock> ogra: heh, no problem
[11:00] <ogra> s/z/y
[11:01] <LaserJock> energymedia: you might try looking at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[11:02] <energymedia> LaserJock - I went in their too but directly in at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html
[11:04] <energymedia> the part that I *think* is an issue is that I need to check and verify that the correct services are active
[11:05] <energymedia> the other part is... Can I use "Remote desktop protocol (RDP)" or do I need to use X windows?
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'm not great with LTSP setups
[11:06] <LaserJock> but for your last question, using them for what?
[11:07] <energymedia> What I want to do is have one server - 10 thin clients (neoware c50's).
[11:07] <LaserJock> ok
[11:07] <energymedia> Im determined NOT to have to use any MS Windows boxes to get my solution working! :o)
[11:08] <LaserJock> heh
[11:10] <energymedia> We took the big jump one week and everyone that was just using a desktop pc with office, ie and outlook ended up coming in on the following monday to find Ubuntu 7.04 with Firefox, thunderbird, and Ooo
[11:10] <energymedia> they all accepted it and it was the best thing we could have done.  Now we are bring all the 'various' systems inline to Ub.
[11:11] <LaserJock> cool
[11:12] <energymedia> its just we want to centralize everything and use thin clients as I have seen how good they can work