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| nixternal | BREAK UM! :) | 01:30 |
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| apacheLAGger | aye :P | 01:31 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: quite sick atm, best to send me an email | 01:42 |
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| jjesse | quiet night eh? | 04:03 |
| jjesse | i see that speedcrunch is going to be moving to the kubuntu release schedule | 04:04 |
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| nosrednaekim | I heard that a qt port of ltsp manager was needed. Where can I get info about it? | 04:05 |
| jjesse | i was at a borders bookstore tonight and it had one of the best linux sections i have ever seen | 04:06 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah..my freind says he just goes there to read linux/programming books | 04:06 |
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| nixternal | jjesse: when are you heading home? | 05:51 |
| jjesse | saturday morning | 05:52 |
| nixternal | ahh, god | 05:52 |
| nixternal | err, good | 05:52 |
| jjesse | yeah why? | 05:52 |
| nixternal | tomorrow is supposed to be very nasty here | 05:52 |
| jjesse | oh | 05:52 |
| nixternal | they are already preparing our area for tornadic activity | 05:52 |
| jjesse | same in omaha | 05:52 |
| nixternal | which means, it won't even rain | 05:52 |
| nixternal | heh | 05:52 |
| nixternal | ya, I can see the radar and it doesn't look great there either | 05:52 |
| nixternal | 91f tomorrow, I am not looking forward to that | 05:53 |
| jjesse | yeah it was like 30mph winds here | 05:53 |
| nixternal | ya, we are supposed to have sustained winds of 30+ mph, with gusts up to 70 | 05:53 |
| nixternal | yay windy city for real | 05:53 |
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| === Hobbsee pokes for life | ||
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| Hobbsee | hiya Nightrose! | 08:45 |
| Nightrose | morning Hobbsee | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: i've got a question for you | 08:45 |
| Nightrose | yea? | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: interested in doing any cd testing? | 08:46 |
| Nightrose | why not | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | which arch are you on? | 08:46 |
| Nightrose | 32 bit | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | even better | 08:47 |
| === Hobbsee looks for the info | ||
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: who's life your poking? | 08:48 |
| Tm_T | +e | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-June/023789.html | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: YOURS! | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 08:48 |
| Tm_T | you can't | 08:48 |
| Nightrose | thx Hobbsee - will have a look asap | 08:49 |
| Tm_T | well you can, if you have it, because it's not here | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: if you could test the desktop i386 cd, in whichever configurations that you want, preferably that havent been tested yet, that'd be great | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: check cd, etc, wont mess up your hard drive anyway | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: do you want to test a cd? | 08:49 |
| Nightrose | k Hobbsee | 08:49 |
| === Hobbsee has already gotten in trouble with bandwidth this month, unfortunately | ||
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: but obviously, backups are good :) | 08:50 |
| Nightrose | hehe shure | 08:50 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: if you like me to download it with this ppp | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: *grin* | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: point | 08:50 |
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| === Jucato will be trying to connect to the internet this weekend, through bluetooth dialup :D | ||
| Tm_T | Jucato: that's what I do when I'm not in my pc, but in pc usb is more reliable | 08:53 |
| Tm_T | I have phone with usb <3 | 08:54 |
| Jucato | not even w/ GRPS... I don't know how to set up that one :) | 08:54 |
| Jucato | I really mean "dial up" | 08:54 |
| Jucato | :/ | 08:54 |
| === Jucato will try tomorrow actually | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: the planned release is today, iirc | 08:55 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: bluetooth can be tricky, but with usb, this phone just appears as /dev/ttyACM0 and all I do is open kppp and make a call | 08:55 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you might be talking to Nightrose :) | 08:56 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: I was able to dial up once using bluetooth. but I wasn't able to connect coz I ran out of credits :) | 08:56 |
| Tm_T | haha | 08:56 |
| Tm_T | perfect, isn't it | 08:56 |
| Tm_T | you can imagine myfeelings when my pda(actually WM5) bugs and when I finally get connection, I run out of battery | 08:57 |
| Jucato | :) | 08:58 |
| Tm_T | finally get connection = had 5 resets | 08:58 |
| Jucato | the only reason I'm going suicidal over this is that my laptop's wireless is still broken, and I'm going to a resort this weekend... | 08:58 |
| Tm_T | yup, it's still Windows, even if it's Mobile | 08:59 |
| Jucato | heheh :) | 09:00 |
| Jucato | luckily my only Windows phone is now RIP :) | 09:00 |
| Jucato | this one's a Symbian | 09:00 |
| emonkey-f | get the new openmoko :P | 09:00 |
| Jucato | hehe! I wish! | 09:00 |
| Jucato | that would definitely be a dream come true :) | 09:01 |
| emonkey-f | ack | 09:01 |
| Jucato | but since I just got a new monitor, I don't think I can get one within the next year or so :) | 09:01 |
| emonkey-f | yes it's always this money thing :/ | 09:02 |
| emonkey-f | but this thing I have to buy | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: okay, the testing cds are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20070606.1/ | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | it doesnt appear to be in the annoucement | 09:03 |
| Nightrose | thx Hobbsee | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | ok, closing this one again, running out of bandwidth, see you later kids -> | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | bye Tm_T! | 09:08 |
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| sebas | Does anyone know how it comes that I've seemingly lost all my mimetypes? | 12:59 |
| sebas | Most applications are broken due to this (feisty + 3.5.7 packages) | 01:00 |
| === sebas is puzzled | ||
| Riddell | can't say I've heard of that happening | 01:03 |
| sebas | Removing ~/.kde/share/apps/mimelink did apparently help. | 01:06 |
| sebas | Must be some random file corruption. | 01:06 |
| sebas | Hmpf. No, there it is again. | 01:07 |
| sebas | It works shortly after logging in, then the problem turns up. | 01:07 |
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| Riddell | I don't have a ~/.kde/share/apps/mimelink | 01:11 |
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| Riddell | manchicken_: where is system settings in svn? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | ah, /me spots branches/work/kde4/systemsettings_kde4 | 01:47 |
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| Hobbsee | evening all | 02:33 |
| === nosrednaekim tries to lurk undetected, but still peeps hello | ||
| apachelogger | ahoy Hobbsee | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | :0 | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | * :) | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: no lurking! | 02:34 |
| === Hobbsee goes and attacks the lurkers cupboard with the broom | ||
| Jucato | ouch! | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | we have power. and internet :D | 02:34 |
| === Jucato runs away | ||
| === Hobbsee uses the lassoo on Jucato | ||
| Jucato | nooooo! | 02:35 |
| === nosrednaekim thinks Hobbseecan't even smile right while hitting me | ||
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: you never know :P | 02:35 |
| nosrednaekim | anyway... congradulations on your test release. | 02:36 |
| Riddell | we released? | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | it's been released? | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Riddell | 02:36 |
| nosrednaekim | tribe 1 I thought. | 02:36 |
| Riddell | morning :) | 02:36 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: where does it say that? | 02:36 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: I read a screenshot review. | 02:37 |
| Riddell | where? | 02:37 |
| nosrednaekim | just a second. | 02:37 |
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| nosrednaekim | oh... ahha... never mind. I read it wrong. | 02:38 |
| nosrednaekim | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=741&num=1 | 02:38 |
| === Hobbsee cant release, anyway | ||
| === nosrednaekim sympatizes with Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee can just kill stupid customers | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, wait.... | 02:39 |
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| === apachelogger is wondering | ||
| apachelogger | maybe we should provide a special corporate-default-settings? | 02:41 |
| Riddell | ? | 02:41 |
| apachelogger | well | 02:41 |
| manchicken_ | Riddell: System settings in svn compiles but doesn't run. | 02:41 |
| apachelogger | IMO the current appeal of kubuntu is too shiny | 02:41 |
| apachelogger | good for end users, but not for corporate desktops | 02:41 |
| manchicken_ | It's got some weird dbus error. | 02:41 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: ah, that's fine, it talks about tomorrow | 02:42 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: although it should be out in an hour or so | 02:42 |
| apachelogger | I'm currently doing a migration project for a local NGO and noticed, that it's somewhat strange looking to have a default kubuntu style | 02:42 |
| manchicken_ | apachelogger: Yeah, because XP didn't look like Disney crapped all over the desktop? | 02:42 |
| apachelogger | manchicken_: not as much as feisty does | 02:42 |
| manchicken_ | Feisty looks magnitudes better than XP. | 02:43 |
| apachelogger | not in a corporate context :P | 02:43 |
| apachelogger | well, maybe it's just one of my strange ideas | 02:43 |
| manchicken_ | apachelogger: I don't know what corporate context you're speaking of, but it's just fine around here :) | 02:43 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: tell it to kwwii (when he's around), maybe he'll make it less shiny next release | 02:44 |
| manchicken_ | Wow, I get to wake up to a new koffice. | 02:44 |
| Riddell | manchicken_: in backports? | 02:44 |
| manchicken_ | Yea. | 02:44 |
| Riddell | manchicken_: groovy, can you test and let me know that it works? | 02:44 |
| manchicken_ | Sure. | 02:44 |
| manchicken_ | I use koffice tout les temps. | 02:45 |
| === nosrednaekim , the typical corporate customer is frightened by anything other than "redmond" kde theme | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, for end customers it's just as shiny as it should be, but for corporate.... | 02:45 |
| === apachelogger is wondring whether crystalsvg is support that feeling | ||
| apachelogger | didn't use that iconset since oxygen is public | 02:45 |
| manchicken_ | nosrednaekim: I disagree. I think windows IT folks are. | 02:45 |
| manchicken_ | nosrednaekim: I think the average corporate user would have no problem figuring things out. | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: noo!!! shiny is good. | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | then again, if they really care, surely someone's going to make a whole list of changes that they want | 02:46 |
| nosrednaekim | I being sarcastic | 02:46 |
| nosrednaekim | *was | 02:46 |
| manchicken_ | Ah. | 02:46 |
| === Hobbsee doubts vista stuff is being toned down either | ||
| manchicken_ | No, Vista is not. | 02:54 |
| nosrednaekim | but then again, I don't see much corporate uptake of Vista. Could there be a connection? | 02:56 |
| Riddell | I doubt it, nobody used XP in its first year of release either | 02:58 |
| === Hobbsee attempts to find a nice looking font | ||
| nosrednaekim | Yeah. And for all the same reasons. | 03:00 |
| nosrednaekim | courier is nice. | 03:00 |
| nosrednaekim | ;) | 03:00 |
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| manchicken_ | KOffice seriously needs more templates. | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | koffice seriously needs to do XY graphing. | 03:05 |
| manchicken_ | Needs pivot charts. | 03:05 |
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| apachelogger | kubuntu corporate desktop approach #1: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp044.png | 03:59 |
| Riddell | tango and baghria? dear gods | 03:59 |
| Jucato | eek! at the icons | 04:00 |
| Jucato | no that's Domino | 04:00 |
| Riddell | really? yuck | 04:00 |
| Jucato | it's lots better than Baghira, and not really intended to look like os x | 04:01 |
| Jucato | but the icons!! :/ | 04:01 |
| mhb | svg icons, I presume | 04:01 |
| Jucato | tango icons | 04:01 |
| Riddell | the format is not really an issue | 04:02 |
| mhb | Riddell: no, it's just a comment on a bug with SVG rendering (I guess it's a bug). Look at the lower edges of the Trash icon, for example. | 04:03 |
| mhb | those black circles shouldn't be there | 04:03 |
| Riddell | that's a shadow surely | 04:03 |
| Jucato | yeah. it's part of the icon :) | 04:03 |
| Jucato | look at the Desktop icon | 04:03 |
| mhb | Jucato: badly rendered, too | 04:04 |
| Jucato | tango just isn't meant for KDE :) | 04:04 |
| mhb | the shadow should not be that black on the edges | 04:04 |
| apachelogger | well | 04:06 |
| apachelogger | the problem is, there is no decent icon theme for KDE | 04:06 |
| mhb | you can check that it's rendered badly by looking at Tango/32x32/places/emptytrash.png | 04:06 |
| mhb | Jucato: ^^ | 04:07 |
| === Jucato thinks Nuvola is very decent | ||
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| apachelogger | Jucato: too many colors | 04:11 |
| mhb | apachelogger: I think marketing KDE for corporations isn't about icon theme/widget style | 04:11 |
| Jucato | apachelogger: less flashy than crystal svg, though, just imho :) | 04:11 |
| mhb | apachelogger: it could be a minor plus to have a "mature" look, but only a minor one | 04:11 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: yeah | 04:11 |
| Jucato | well, we can all just wait for Oxygen :) | 04:11 |
| apachelogger | oxygen only looks perfect with oxygen desktop | 04:12 |
| Jucato | (which follows the naming convention initiated by the Tango project anyway) | 04:12 |
| Jucato | hm.. oxygen looks quite nice on plastik, which is what KDE 4 is currently using | 04:12 |
| apachelogger | mhb: well, it's not that minor | 04:12 |
| Jucato | (oxygen style isn't merged yet) | 04:12 |
| apachelogger | mhb: when someone is evaluating desktops the first thing he gets to see is the appeal most probably | 04:13 |
| apachelogger | so the appeal has to be mature to get him a good first impression | 04:13 |
| Jucato | mhb: never underestimate the power of first impressions :) | 04:13 |
| mhb | the first thing they're going to see is a presentation | 04:14 |
| mhb | a web presentation, a live presentation... | 04:14 |
| apachelogger | every user and in the and also an admin is a user wants to see a screenshot | 04:14 |
| apachelogger | matter of fact, if you don't got screenshots on your mainpage it's not good for the first impression thing | 04:15 |
| mhb | http://www.novell.com/linux/features.html I don't see "sober look" in there. | 04:16 |
| === mhb shuts up | ||
| nixternal | g'mornin' | 04:16 |
| apachelogger | mhb: that's technical | 04:16 |
| apachelogger | in general there are two impressions the technical and the appeal | 04:17 |
| apachelogger | you can have a technical advanced an powerful software | 04:17 |
| apachelogger | but if it looks like shit | 04:17 |
| apachelogger | almost no one will use it | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000301.html | 04:17 |
| apachelogger | no matter how good the technical appeal is | 04:17 |
| apachelogger | yummy | 04:17 |
| apachelogger | tribe1++ | 04:18 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Tribe 1 released! | ||
| Jucato | moin nixternal! | 04:18 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: ping | 04:29 |
| Riddell | hola | 04:30 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: hey boss, already had a look at the konqueror debdiff? | 04:30 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: not yet, it's in with my 200 other unread e-mails | 04:35 |
| apachelogger | ok ^_^ | 04:35 |
| === apachelogger thinks Riddell gets far too many mails | ||
| nixternal | wo0t, Tribe 1 is out the door! Good job everyone! | 04:36 |
| apachelogger | yeah, good job! | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:37 |
| === apachelogger opens the wine bottle | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: /dev/null. it's a fixall | 04:37 |
| === Hobbsee gets a crazy amount of email - but not that crazy | ||
| apachelogger | everyone take a glass! | 04:37 |
| === Hobbsee avoids the wine | ||
| apachelogger | cheers guys and gals :) | 04:37 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: omg, why? | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: dont like the taste. | 04:37 |
| apachelogger | oh | 04:37 |
| === apachelogger is looking for something different | ||
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: i had a bit of the champaigne at UDS on the last night. *shudder* | 04:38 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 04:38 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: how about some coffee? | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | meh. coke's good | 04:38 |
| === apachelogger takes the coke from #amarok.dev and hands it to Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | cheers! :) | 04:39 |
| Riddell | nixternal: we definately have the best Tribe1 page, thanks to you | 04:39 |
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| nixternal | woohoo...I try my best to make us look good :) | 04:40 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: if you think Coke is good, you need to try Dr. Pepper :) that is my all time favorite | 04:40 |
| nixternal | now I am a green tea junky | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | ewww | 04:41 |
| Jucato | yay for tea! | 04:42 |
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| nixternal | Jucato: Lipton has these diet green teas that are citrus or berry flavored...man they are good | 04:42 |
| Jucato | and expensive! (over here) | 04:43 |
| Jucato | I go for the asian ones :P | 04:43 |
| nixternal | I go to the asian markets here and get some of their genseng tea...good stuff and it gives me a buzz | 04:43 |
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| Riddell | doc job for someone: this needs to be made more kubuntu compliant | 06:06 |
| Riddell | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports | 06:06 |
| Riddell | for http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-143.php | 06:06 |
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| === apachelogger has no clue about that sort of stuff :S | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: creating /Kubuntu would be meaningful, wouldn't it? | 06:15 |
| Riddell | I don't think there's a need for it for that page | 06:16 |
| Riddell | AddRepositories or whatever it is has a /Kubuntu that needs linked to | 06:16 |
| Jucato | Riddell: isn't that supposed to be koffice-163? | 06:16 |
| === apachelogger puts a knote on the desktop i case no one did it when he's back from dying due to heat | ||
| Riddell | Jucato: oh aye :) fixed | 06:18 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:18 |
| lucky_lucas | is there an eclipse plugin to interface with launchpad ? | 06:23 |
| lucky_lucas | I know there is one for bzr but, I don't konw if it exists for launchpad ? | 06:23 |
| === apachelogger notes that the how to add a repo is not compatible with feisty | ||
| apachelogger | weh | 06:41 |
| === apachelogger starts crying | ||
| Jucato | apachelogger: which part? | 06:44 |
| apachelogger | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu | 06:45 |
| apachelogger | the whole page | 06:45 |
| apachelogger | I'm right now updating it | 06:45 |
| Jucato | ah yes | 06:45 |
| === apachelogger will never start doc work again.... always ends up in editing 3 different pages | ||
| Jucato | wasn't updated with the new Software Properties app | 06:45 |
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| Jucato | apachelogger: um wait. changing or just adding? | 06:46 |
| Jucato | I don't think those original instructions should be removed completely just yet | 06:47 |
| apachelogger | adding | 06:47 |
| apachelogger | === Feisty Fawn (7.04) and newer === | 06:47 |
| Jucato | ah kool :) | 06:47 |
| apachelogger | === Edgy Eft (6.10) and older === | 06:47 |
| Jucato | good goody :) | 06:47 |
| Lure | Riddell: is anybody following displayconfig-gtk developments and updating guidance version? | 06:48 |
| === Lure hopes for nice improvements with new xorg server and xrandr 1.2 | ||
| _Sime_ | Lure: We're in the process of merging and then sharing the backend code. | 06:48 |
| Lure | _Sime_: great - so I expect we will change kde frontend too? | 06:49 |
| _Sime_ | Lure: I don't expect any radical changes to the frontend. It might work a bit better and have less bugs though. | 06:50 |
| apachelogger | hm | 06:51 |
| apachelogger | omg | 06:51 |
| === apachelogger needs to get feisty default setup | ||
| Jucato | for screenshots? | 06:51 |
| apachelogger | yep | 06:51 |
| Jucato | polyester, default colors (kuseven I think), crystal windeco, sans serif fonts, crystalsvg icons, hm... | 06:53 |
| apachelogger | aaaaa crystal | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | omg | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | no | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | thoose icons | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | muahaha, wouldn't call them icons at all | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | ah | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | I'm soo stupid :| | 06:54 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:56 |
| === apachelogger xephyrs to his kubuntu default setup | ||
| Hobbsee | ah yes | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | i wonder why my kdm is stuffed | 06:57 |
| nixternal | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5414 <- revu'erz wanted :) | 06:58 |
| apachelogger | aye, revu'erz are always wanted ... just open konqui -> go to revu.tauware.de -> press ctrl-f -> search for 'sitter' -> if you revued everything once within 24 ours you can win an amarok shirt :D | 07:00 |
| === Jucato waves to nixternal :) | ||
| === nixternal waves back | ||
| === n8k99_ doesn't wave at all | ||
| Jucato | nixternal: linspire is based on Ubuntu now, right? | 07:00 |
| === nixternal already has an amarok t-shirt | ||
| === Jucato drowns n8k99 in waves | ||
| nixternal | Jucato: kubuntu :) | 07:01 |
| Jucato | nixternal: blue wolf logo? O.o | 07:01 |
| Jucato | er.. on kubuntu? they use our KDE packages too? | 07:01 |
| nixternal | what is that? | 07:01 |
| Jucato | blue wolf = amarok logo | 07:01 |
| nixternal | oh, I have no idea..they are about to sell out to microsoft soon anyways I am sure | 07:01 |
| Jucato | hehe that's why I asked :) | 07:01 |
| nixternal | no logo, just the cool amarok letters | 07:01 |
| === Jucato wonders what Canonical/Ubuntu will do if ever that happens | ||
| nixternal | got it from spreadshirt or revellinux | 07:02 |
| nixternal | they better say no | 07:02 |
| Jucato | I want aseigo's KDE shirt!!! | 07:02 |
| nixternal | ya, me too | 07:02 |
| Jucato | er.. I meant something like it. | 07:02 |
| nixternal | I have come close but not dead on | 07:02 |
| n8k99 | hehe | 07:02 |
| nixternal | and a lot of the online shirts places don't make shirts for real men! | 07:03 |
| nixternal | ;p | 07:03 |
| === n8k99 sees Jucato attacking aseigo like a frantic teenager | ||
| Jucato | well, drop the "teenager" part and your correct :) | 07:03 |
| nixternal | http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_spectrop08_ltst_6nh_enus_600x405.jpg | 07:04 |
| nixternal | well that can't be good | 07:04 |
| apachelogger | is universe active by default? | 07:07 |
| Jucato | all of the 4 starting feisty | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: i believe so | 07:08 |
| Riddell | manchicken__: how was koffice? | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: if canonical/ubuntu was being asked to side with microsoft? | 07:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 07:12 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: no.what would canonical/ubuntu do if linspire sells out to ms | 07:12 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: ?? even mutliverse? | 07:12 |
| Jucato | apachelogger: yes | 07:12 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: is that true? | 07:13 |
| Jucato | multiverse by default spec for feisty | 07:13 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: why would it matter? linspire doesnt do much for ubuntu anyway. | 07:13 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: universe and multiverse are enabled by default | 07:13 |
| apachelogger | omfg | 07:13 |
| apachelogger | why did nobody tell me :P | 07:13 |
| Jucato | apachelogger: welcome back to Kubuntu :) | 07:13 |
| === apachelogger will never do a 6 month vacation from FLOSS | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:14 |
| === Jucato leaves it at that :) | ||
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| apachelogger | someone plz revu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu?action=diff&rev2=21 | 07:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: looks lovely | 07:37 |
| apachelogger | hooray :) | 07:38 |
| Daskreech | hi Jucato | 07:38 |
| Jucato | hi Daskreech! any news from Mez? | 07:38 |
| Daskreech | Jucato: Nope I dreamnt that he logged in last night, that was strange. He kept trying to figure out why his name wasn't capitalized | 07:39 |
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| Jucato | apachelogger: "This page describes how to manage software repositories in Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) and Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)." but starts of with Feisty Fawn? | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | hm | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | gotta fix that ^_^ | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports?action=diff&rev2=33&rev1=32 | 07:41 |
| Jucato | oh he left... | 07:42 |
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| Daskreech | he's back | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | bah | 07:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm not sure if there's any need for the "For Feisty Fawn 7.04:" bits | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | austria | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | horrible place for a 24/7 online nerd | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: better now? | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what shall I write instead? | 07:46 |
| apachelogger | Current release | 07:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: well I'm not sure what it's for, if you use the graphical tools you just tick the box, no need for those details | 07:47 |
| Riddell | so I'd just remove it | 07:47 |
| Riddell | manchicken__: got system settings running. it's an empty shell for now but it runs | 07:48 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 07:50 |
| === apachelogger needs a cigarette now | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, there is no harm in leaving it, is there? | 07:52 |
| Riddell | so long as it doesn't confuse people | 07:52 |
| apachelogger | we should just produce videos :) | 07:53 |
| apachelogger | lot higher usability | 07:53 |
| Jucato | hehe | 07:53 |
| nixternal | holy smokes | 07:59 |
| nixternal | Riddell: explain how you made sense of the traceback for system settings? libc6 was the only thing it spit out for me | 08:00 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I just compiled with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull | 08:03 |
| nixternal | ahh | 08:06 |
| nixternal | that is what I didn't do when I was looking at it :) | 08:07 |
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| Daskreech | screenies of tribe "1" are up | 08:21 |
| Riddell | where? | 08:23 |
| Daskreech | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=741&num=1 | 08:24 |
| === rouzic_ausente ha vuelto. | ||
| Riddell | their xubuntu ones are broken | 08:32 |
| Lure | apachelogger: re filelight> will just update Maintainer to ubuntu address and upload | 08:37 |
| apachelogger | Lure: huh? | 08:41 |
| Lure | apachelogger: for ubuntuX version, you need to update Maintainer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | *modifies* | 08:42 |
| Lure | apachelogger: no need, have done it locally | 08:44 |
| apachelogger | ok | 08:44 |
| Lure | apachelogger: uploaded | 08:44 |
| apachelogger | thx | 08:45 |
| Daskreech | Where should I ask about groups within Ubuntu? | 08:46 |
| Lure | apachelogger: I am still missing khalki lib | 08:48 |
| apachelogger | Lure: got stuck in queue | 08:48 |
| Lure | apachelogger: in which queue? | 08:49 |
| apachelogger | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=khalkhi | 08:49 |
| Lure | apachelogger: ok, will try to get source from there and test all three packages | 08:50 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 08:50 |
| apachelogger | Lure: better wait | 08:50 |
| apachelogger | didn't had a look at the others for ages :D | 08:51 |
| apachelogger | just gotta check them | 08:51 |
| Lure | apachelogger: true that - now that tribe1 is out, archive-admins will have some time for NEW handling | 08:51 |
| apachelogger | hm | 08:52 |
| apachelogger | Lure: ok, actually cards and applet should work just fine | 08:52 |
| apachelogger | at least I didn't change anything since my last test build | 08:52 |
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| meven | i have a question about building kde4 | 09:06 |
| meven | i've just compiled kdebase kdepim | 09:06 |
| meven | but in my KDEDIR/bin there not much programs | 09:06 |
| meven | and no startkde script | 09:07 |
| fdoving | meven: what does 'echo $KDEDIR' say? | 09:08 |
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| === apachelogger will search a bed | ||
| apachelogger | nini | 09:45 |
| Riddell | night | 09:45 |
| Arby | anybody know if there are known issues with k3b in gutsy? | 09:53 |
| Arby | (just filed bug 119187) | 09:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119187 in k3b "[Gutsy] cd burning with k3b fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119187 | 09:54 |
| Arby | worked fine in feisty | 09:54 |
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| crimsun | Arby: do you have a feisty install somewhere? | 10:12 |
| crimsun | if so, ls -ld /usr/bin/wodim | 10:13 |
| crimsun | Arby: I've found that I need to grant the user RT priority, else the burn fails with symptoms similar to yours | 10:13 |
| Arby | crimsun: yes I do, checking | 10:13 |
| Arby | crimsun: returns: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 351K 2007-02-02 20:30 /usr/bin/wodim | 10:14 |
| crimsun | ok, is a wrapper used to grant realtime privs? | 10:15 |
| Arby | I have no idea, I didn't set one if there is. | 10:15 |
| Arby | so am I missing a permission setting somewhere? | 10:19 |
| Arby | and is it normal for CD burning to require root privileges? | 10:20 |
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| crimsun | Arby: for every last piece of hardware I've owned, yes, it is normal | 10:36 |
| Arby | OK | 10:36 |
| nixternal | rock on with your badselves | 10:37 |
| crimsun | Arby: I'm not intimate with k3b's innards or Kubuntu's usage; check if kdesu is used | 10:37 |
| crimsun | nixternal could help you chase it | 10:37 |
| nixternal | whoa | 10:37 |
| Arby | in which case shouldn't k3b handle this without the user having to set permissions | 10:37 |
| nixternal | what did I just step into | 10:37 |
| manchicken__ | Riddell: Do you know what the dbus problem was all about? I'm not very familiar with dbus. My guess is that I needed to initialize something but didn't know it. | 10:37 |
| Arby | nixternal: bug 119187 | 10:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119187 in k3b "[Gutsy] cd burning with k3b fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119187 | 10:37 |
| Arby | I'm trying to understand why it fails | 10:37 |
| Riddell | manchicken__: install dbus-x11 | 10:37 |
| Riddell | should sort itself out from there | 10:37 |
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| Arby | crimsun: suggests it's permissions related | 10:38 |
| nixternal | let me try a burn on my gutsy box | 10:38 |
| Arby | and I'm out of my depth with kde's innards | 10:38 |
| manchicken__ | Riddell: Gotta love all of these weird dependencies. | 10:39 |
| nixternal | Arby: is that a sata burner? | 10:40 |
| Arby | nixternal: yes | 10:41 |
| nixternal | I believe the same on I have actually spec wise | 10:41 |
| nixternal | what were you burning, dvd or cd? | 10:41 |
| Arby | data CD | 10:41 |
| nixternal | ok, so I don't need to download an iso to try this | 10:41 |
| Arby | nope, any old random files will do | 10:42 |
| Arby | worked fine on the same machine in feisty | 10:42 |
| Arby | which is why it bothers me | 10:42 |
| Arby | could be a regression | 10:42 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 10:43 |
| nixternal | I get "cdrecord will be run without root privileges" message box when I fire up k3b | 10:43 |
| Arby | ah, so I need to set something somewhere | 10:44 |
| Arby | but it was none obvious (to me) what that required me to do | 10:44 |
| Arby | it's entirely possible this is me being inept | 10:44 |
| Arby | but at the same time, should I need to know that to burn a CD | 10:45 |
| Lure | manchicken__: which package needs dbus-x11? | 10:45 |
| Arby | nixternal: OK, I see that message but it tells me nothing about what I need to do about it. | 10:46 |
| === Lure has changed strigi recently to depend on it | ||
| manchicken__ | Lure: The subversion version of systemsettings | 10:47 |
| nixternal | OK, here goes the burn | 10:47 |
| nixternal | wth | 10:47 |
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| nixternal | OK...now here goes the burn | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | Lure++ | 10:53 |
| Lure | apachelogger: ? | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | revuing :D | 10:53 |
| Lure | apachelogger: hope I can do a bit more in next days | 10:54 |
| === apachelogger is already happy :) | ||
| nixternal | Arby: the burn worked here, add comment to the bug | 10:55 |
| Arby | nixternal: thanks | 10:55 |
| nixternal | I forgot, I burned a DVD this morning as well | 10:56 |
| Arby | I wonder what's wrong here then | 10:56 |
| nixternal | have you tried the burn more than once? | 10:57 |
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| Arby | yes, it's consistent | 10:59 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I thought the kdm login was fixed | 10:59 |
| nixternal | hrmm, and I still have icons on the desktop | 11:00 |
| Arby | me too, for both | 11:00 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: could you email my guidance/career choice teacher with those volunteer hours please? | 11:00 |
| nixternal | I know I just did a k-d-s install | 11:00 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: unless you'd rather... | 11:00 |
| Arby | unless the fix just didn't make tribe | 11:01 |
| nixternal | what is that? I think that might be a JR job | 11:01 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: oh, sure, sorry | 11:01 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ok, thanks | 11:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: the new livecd looks cool, the fonts match the resolution much like ubuntu does it (dpi?) | 11:05 |
| Riddell | mm, the fonts thing is a bug | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: oh, I happen to think it looks nice :) | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: maybe they could be enlarged just a bit, but it looks good when they're not too large | 11:09 |
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| Riddell | _StefanS_: the issue is that X tries to use a DPI based on the monitor physical DPI. gnome just sets it to a strict 96. with guidance we set it to usually 96 but also some other possible values if they are better fits | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | ok :) - the tribe1 livecd seems to install perfectly on my vmware btw | 11:13 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: the kubuntu kdm didn't show on first boot, is this a known bug also? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: yes, update kubuntu-default-settings and restart kdm | 11:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: okay ;) | 11:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: still doesn't work; it thinks I modified kdmrc which I didnt | 11:23 |
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| Lure | Riddell: we just round it around physical to match font sizes better | 11:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: and we just change font dpi, not the rest of the display | 11:25 |
| toma | Lure: are you the one who commented on my blog? | 11:25 |
| Lure | toma: yep - just installed boxbackup and am really happy with it ;-) | 11:26 |
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| toma | Lure: cool! When i had more time I would make a package for it | 11:26 |
| Lure | toma: it is already in universe | 11:26 |
| Lure | toma: boxbackup-client/server | 11:27 |
| toma | Lure: ah cool. /me pulls out his todo list and a pen | 11:27 |
| Lure | toma: it is just that I have used duplicity before - I just never came to boxbackup through google | 11:27 |
| toma | Lure: it should be based on a separate branch from 'chris' ideally. | 11:27 |
| toma | Lure: took me ages to find it as well | 11:28 |
| Riddell | Lure: that's what I was trying to say :) | 11:28 |
| Lure | toma: yep, client is changed on his branch - but I do not have GB files (or windows client), so it works ok here | 11:28 |
| toma | Lure: ah cool! | 11:28 |
| Lure | Riddell: I know, I just wanted to be more specific ;-) | 11:28 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: do you know how to get that freenode cloak (ubuntu/member), I tried asking seveas and he doesn't answer :) | 11:41 |
| Riddell | nope, I don't have one, someone will be incharge of it though | 11:43 |
| _StefanS_ | ah nevermind.. | 11:44 |
| gnomefreak | _StefanS_: are you a member? | 11:45 |
| _StefanS_ | gnomefreak: yes | 11:45 |
| gnomefreak | and you want the cloak? | 11:45 |
| ryanakca | _StefanS_: he's probably sleeping | 11:45 |
| gnomefreak | around this time hes normally gone for the night | 11:46 |
| _StefanS_ | ryanakca: yea, probably. But nevermind it, doesn't really matter that much. Its not like it changes anything ;D | 11:46 |
| ryanakca | _StefanS_: /msg him with your launchpad page and irc username | 11:46 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm, I could try that | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | i just pinged him | 11:47 |
| ryanakca | _StefanS_: well, no need for irc username, but he needs your LP page to prove that you are a member | 11:47 |
| _StefanS_ | ryanakca: yep, I just msg'ed him, so lets see what happens | 11:48 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 11:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I assuming that sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings --reinstall is the thing to do (?) | 11:50 |
| _StefanS_ | I/I'm | 11:50 |
| Riddell | should do it | 11:50 |
| Riddell | then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start | 11:50 |
| _StefanS_ | ah, I just needed the newest updates it seems, they werent sync'ed to the dk mirror yet :) | 11:52 |
| _StefanS_ | everything works now | 11:52 |
| _StefanS_ | look very good btw, | 11:52 |
| === _StefanS_ just ordered 2x200gb 7200rpm disks for the lappie, I better not drop that can of coffee again.... | ||
| Daskreech | Where did you drop it? | 11:57 |
| _StefanS_ | Daskreech: well I had to eject one of my 100gb harddisks and put cloth inside the right ultrabay slot to get all the coffee out | 11:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Daskreech: the harddisk even had small pools of coffee on the top :D | 11:59 |
| Daskreech | ahhh | 12:00 |
| Daskreech | that's a grind for well ground | 12:00 |
| _StefanS_ | it smells nice when it gets all warm.. | 12:00 |
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