[01:30] <nixternal> BREAK UM! :)
[01:31] <apacheLAGger> aye :P
[01:42] <kwwii> Riddell: quite sick atm, best to send me an email
[02:01] <apacheLAGger> hm
[04:03] <jjesse> quiet night eh?
[04:04] <jjesse> i see that speedcrunch is going to be moving to the kubuntu release schedule
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> I heard that a qt port of ltsp manager was needed. Where can I get info about it?
[04:06] <jjesse> i was at a borders bookstore tonight and it had one of the best linux sections i have ever seen
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah..my freind says he just goes there to read linux/programming books
[05:51] <nixternal> jjesse: when are you heading home?
[05:52] <jjesse> saturday morning
[05:52] <nixternal> ahh, god
[05:52] <nixternal> err, good
[05:52] <jjesse> yeah why?
[05:52] <nixternal> tomorrow is supposed to be very nasty here
[05:52] <jjesse> oh
[05:52] <nixternal> they are already preparing our area for tornadic activity
[05:52] <jjesse> same in omaha
[05:52] <nixternal> which means, it won't even rain
[05:52] <nixternal> heh
[05:52] <nixternal> ya, I can see the radar and it doesn't look great there either
[05:53] <nixternal> 91f tomorrow, I am not looking forward to that
[05:53] <jjesse> yeah it was like 30mph winds here
[05:53] <nixternal> ya, we are supposed to have sustained winds of 30+ mph, with gusts up to 70
[05:53] <nixternal> yay windy city for real
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hiya Nightrose!
[08:45] <Nightrose> morning Hobbsee
[08:45] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: i've got a question for you
[08:46] <Nightrose> yea?
[08:46] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: interested in doing any cd testing?
[08:46] <Nightrose> why not
[08:46] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:46] <Hobbsee> which arch are you on?
[08:46] <Nightrose> 32 bit
[08:47] <Hobbsee> even better
[08:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: who's life your poking?
[08:48] <Tm_T> +e
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-June/023789.html
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: YOURS!
[08:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:48] <Tm_T> you can't
[08:49] <Nightrose> thx Hobbsee - will have a look asap
[08:49] <Tm_T> well you can, if you have it, because it's not here
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: if you could test the desktop i386 cd, in whichever configurations that you want, preferably that havent been tested yet, that'd be great
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: check cd, etc, wont mess up your hard drive anyway
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: do you want to test a cd?
[08:49] <Nightrose> k Hobbsee
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: but obviously, backups are good :)
[08:50] <Nightrose> hehe shure
[08:50] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: if you like me to download it with this ppp
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: *grin*
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: point
[08:53] <Tm_T> Jucato: that's what I do when I'm not in my pc, but in pc usb is more reliable
[08:54] <Tm_T> I have phone with usb <3
[08:54] <Jucato> not even w/ GRPS... I don't know how to set up that one :)
[08:54] <Jucato> I really mean "dial up"
[08:54] <Jucato> :/
[08:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the planned release is today, iirc
[08:55] <Tm_T> Jucato: bluetooth can be tricky, but with usb, this phone just appears as /dev/ttyACM0 and all I do is open kppp and make a call
[08:56] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you might be talking to Nightrose :)
[08:56] <Jucato> Tm_T: I was able to dial up once using bluetooth. but I wasn't able to connect coz I ran out of credits :)
[08:56] <Tm_T> haha
[08:56] <Tm_T> perfect, isn't it
[08:57] <Tm_T> you can imagine myfeelings when my pda(actually WM5) bugs and when I finally get connection, I run out of battery
[08:58] <Jucato> :)
[08:58] <Tm_T> finally get connection = had 5 resets
[08:58] <Jucato> the only reason I'm going suicidal over this is that my laptop's wireless is still broken, and I'm going to a resort this weekend...
[08:59] <Tm_T> yup, it's still Windows, even if it's Mobile
[09:00] <Jucato> heheh :)
[09:00] <Jucato> luckily my only Windows phone is now RIP :)
[09:00] <Jucato> this one's a Symbian
[09:00] <emonkey-f> get the new openmoko :P
[09:00] <Jucato> hehe! I wish!
[09:01] <Jucato> that would definitely be a dream come true :)
[09:01] <emonkey-f> ack
[09:01] <Jucato> but since I just got a new monitor, I don't think I can get one within the next year or so :)
[09:02] <emonkey-f> yes it's always this money thing :/
[09:02] <emonkey-f> but this thing I have to buy 
[09:03] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: okay, the testing cds are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20070606.1/
[09:03] <Hobbsee> it doesnt appear to be in the annoucement
[09:03] <Nightrose> thx Hobbsee
[09:07] <Tm_T> ok, closing this one again, running out of bandwidth, see you later kids ->
[09:08] <Hobbsee> bye Tm_T!
[12:59] <sebas> Does anyone know how it comes that I've seemingly lost all my mimetypes?
[01:00] <sebas> Most applications are broken due to this (feisty + 3.5.7 packages)
[01:03] <Riddell> can't say I've heard of that happening
[01:06] <sebas> Removing ~/.kde/share/apps/mimelink did apparently help.
[01:06] <sebas> Must be some random file corruption.
[01:07] <sebas> Hmpf. No, there it is again.
[01:07] <sebas> It works shortly after logging in, then the problem turns up.
[01:11] <Riddell> I don't have a ~/.kde/share/apps/mimelink
[01:46] <Riddell> manchicken_: where is system settings in svn?
[01:47] <Riddell> ah, /me spots branches/work/kde4/systemsettings_kde4
[02:33] <Hobbsee> evening all
[02:34] <apachelogger> ahoy Hobbsee
[02:34] <Hobbsee> :0
[02:34] <Hobbsee> * :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: no lurking!
[02:34] <Jucato> ouch!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> we have power.  and internet :D
[02:35] <Jucato> nooooo!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: you never know :P
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> anyway... congradulations on your test release.
[02:36] <Riddell> we released?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> it's been released?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> tribe 1 I thought.
[02:36] <Riddell> morning :)
[02:36] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: where does it say that?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I read a screenshot review.
[02:37] <Riddell> where?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> just a second.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> oh... ahha... never mind. I read it wrong.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=741&num=1
[02:39] <Hobbsee> oh, wait....
[02:41] <apachelogger> maybe we should provide a special corporate-default-settings?
[02:41] <Riddell> ?
[02:41] <apachelogger> well
[02:41] <manchicken_> Riddell: System settings in svn compiles but doesn't run.
[02:41] <apachelogger> IMO the current appeal of kubuntu is too shiny
[02:41] <apachelogger> good for end users, but not for corporate desktops
[02:41] <manchicken_> It's got some weird dbus error.
[02:42] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: ah, that's fine, it talks about tomorrow
[02:42] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: although it should be out in an hour or so
[02:42] <apachelogger> I'm currently doing a migration project for a local NGO and noticed, that it's somewhat strange looking to have a default kubuntu style
[02:42] <manchicken_> apachelogger: Yeah, because XP didn't look like Disney crapped all over the desktop?
[02:42] <apachelogger> manchicken_: not as much as feisty does
[02:43] <manchicken_> Feisty looks magnitudes better than XP.
[02:43] <apachelogger> not in a corporate context :P
[02:43] <apachelogger> well, maybe it's just one of my strange ideas
[02:43] <manchicken_> apachelogger: I don't know what corporate context you're speaking of, but it's just fine around here :)
[02:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: tell it to kwwii (when he's around), maybe he'll make it less shiny next release
[02:44] <manchicken_> Wow, I get to wake up to a new koffice.
[02:44] <Riddell> manchicken_: in backports?
[02:44] <manchicken_> Yea.
[02:44] <Riddell> manchicken_: groovy, can you test and let me know that it works?
[02:44] <manchicken_> Sure.
[02:45] <manchicken_> I use koffice tout les temps.
[02:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, for end customers it's just as shiny as it should be, but for corporate....
[02:45] <apachelogger> didn't use that iconset since oxygen is public
[02:45] <manchicken_> nosrednaekim: I disagree.  I think windows IT folks are.
[02:46] <manchicken_> nosrednaekim: I think the average corporate user would have no problem figuring things out.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: noo!!!  shiny is good.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> then again, if they really care, surely someone's going to make a whole list of changes that they want
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> I being sarcastic
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> *was
[02:46] <manchicken_> Ah.
[02:54] <manchicken_> No, Vista is not.
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> but then again, I don't see much corporate uptake of Vista. Could there be a connection?
[02:58] <Riddell> I doubt it, nobody used XP in its first year of release either
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Yeah. And for all the same reasons.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> courier is nice.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:05] <manchicken_> KOffice seriously needs more templates.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> koffice seriously needs to do XY graphing.
[03:05] <manchicken_> Needs pivot charts.
[03:59] <apachelogger> kubuntu corporate desktop approach #1: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp044.png
[03:59] <Riddell> tango and baghria?  dear gods
[04:00] <Jucato> eek! at the icons
[04:00] <Jucato> no that's Domino
[04:00] <Riddell> really?  yuck
[04:01] <Jucato> it's lots better than Baghira, and not really intended to look like os x
[04:01] <Jucato> but the icons!! :/
[04:01] <mhb> svg icons, I presume
[04:01] <Jucato> tango icons
[04:02] <Riddell> the format is not really an issue
[04:03] <mhb> Riddell: no, it's just a comment on a bug with SVG rendering (I guess it's a bug). Look at the lower edges of the Trash icon, for example.
[04:03] <mhb> those black circles shouldn't be there
[04:03] <Riddell> that's a shadow surely
[04:03] <Jucato> yeah. it's part of the icon :)
[04:03] <Jucato> look at the Desktop icon
[04:04] <mhb> Jucato: badly rendered, too
[04:04] <Jucato> tango just isn't meant for KDE :)
[04:04] <mhb> the shadow should not be that black on the edges
[04:06] <apachelogger> well
[04:06] <apachelogger> the problem is, there is no decent icon theme for KDE
[04:06] <mhb> you can check that it's rendered badly by looking at Tango/32x32/places/emptytrash.png
[04:07] <mhb> Jucato: ^^
[04:11] <apachelogger> Jucato: too many colors
[04:11] <mhb> apachelogger: I think marketing KDE for corporations isn't about icon theme/widget style
[04:11] <Jucato> apachelogger: less flashy than crystal svg, though, just imho :)
[04:11] <mhb> apachelogger: it could be a minor plus to have a "mature" look, but only a minor one
[04:11] <apachelogger> Jucato: yeah
[04:11] <Jucato> well, we can all just wait for Oxygen :)
[04:12] <apachelogger> oxygen only looks perfect with oxygen desktop
[04:12] <Jucato> (which follows the naming convention initiated by the Tango project anyway)
[04:12] <Jucato> hm.. oxygen looks quite nice on plastik, which is what KDE 4 is currently using
[04:12] <apachelogger> mhb: well, it's not that minor
[04:12] <Jucato> (oxygen style isn't merged yet)
[04:13] <apachelogger> mhb: when someone is evaluating desktops the first thing he gets to see is the appeal most probably
[04:13] <apachelogger> so the appeal has to be mature to get him a good first impression
[04:13] <Jucato> mhb: never underestimate the power of first impressions  :)
[04:14] <mhb> the first thing they're going to see is a presentation
[04:14] <mhb> a web presentation, a live presentation...
[04:14] <apachelogger> every user and in the and also an admin is a user wants to see a screenshot
[04:15] <apachelogger> matter of fact, if you don't got screenshots on your mainpage it's not good for the first impression thing
[04:16] <mhb> http://www.novell.com/linux/features.html I don't see "sober look" in there.
[04:16] <nixternal> g'mornin'
[04:16] <apachelogger> mhb: that's technical
[04:17] <apachelogger> in general there are two impressions the technical and the appeal
[04:17] <apachelogger> you can have a technical advanced an powerful software
[04:17] <apachelogger> but if it looks like shit
[04:17] <apachelogger> almost no one will use it
[04:17] <Hobbsee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000301.html
[04:17] <apachelogger> no matter how good the technical appeal is
[04:17] <apachelogger> yummy
[04:18] <apachelogger> tribe1++
[04:18] <Jucato> moin nixternal!
[04:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[04:30] <Riddell> hola
[04:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: hey boss, already had a look at the konqueror debdiff?
[04:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: not yet, it's in with my 200 other unread e-mails
[04:35] <apachelogger> ok ^_^
[04:36] <nixternal> wo0t, Tribe 1 is out the door! Good job everyone!
[04:37] <apachelogger> yeah, good job!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: /dev/null.  it's a fixall
[04:37] <apachelogger> everyone take a glass!
[04:37] <apachelogger> cheers guys and gals :)
[04:37] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: omg, why?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: dont like the taste.
[04:37] <apachelogger> oh
[04:38] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i had a bit of the champaigne at UDS on the last night.  *shudder*
[04:38] <apachelogger> hehe
[04:38] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: how about some coffee?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> meh.  coke's good
[04:39] <Hobbsee> cheers!  :)
[04:39] <Riddell> nixternal: we definately have the best Tribe1 page, thanks to you
[04:40] <nixternal> woohoo...I try my best to make us look good :)
[04:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if you think Coke is good, you need to try Dr. Pepper :) that is my all time favorite
[04:40] <nixternal> now I am a green tea junky
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ewww
[04:42] <Jucato> yay for tea!
[04:42] <nixternal> Jucato: Lipton has these diet green teas that are citrus or berry flavored...man they are good
[04:43] <Jucato> and expensive! (over here)
[04:43] <Jucato> I go for the asian ones :P
[04:43] <nixternal> I go to the asian markets here and get some of their genseng tea...good stuff and it gives me a buzz
[06:06] <Riddell> doc job for someone: this needs to be made more kubuntu compliant
[06:06] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:06] <Riddell> for http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-143.php
[06:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: creating /Kubuntu would be meaningful, wouldn't it?
[06:16] <Riddell> I don't think there's a need for it for that page
[06:16] <Riddell> AddRepositories or whatever it is has a /Kubuntu that needs linked to
[06:16] <Jucato> Riddell: isn't that supposed to be koffice-163?
[06:18] <Riddell> Jucato: oh aye :)  fixed
[06:18] <Jucato> :)
[06:23] <lucky_lucas> is there an eclipse plugin to interface with  launchpad ?
[06:23] <lucky_lucas> I know there is one for bzr but, I don't konw if it exists for launchpad ?
[06:41] <apachelogger> weh
[06:44] <Jucato> apachelogger: which part?
[06:45] <apachelogger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:45] <apachelogger> the whole page
[06:45] <apachelogger> I'm right now updating it
[06:45] <Jucato> ah yes
[06:45] <Jucato> wasn't updated with the new Software Properties app
[06:46] <Jucato> apachelogger: um wait. changing or just adding?
[06:47] <Jucato> I don't think those original instructions should be removed completely just yet
[06:47] <apachelogger> adding
[06:47] <apachelogger> [06:47] <Jucato> ah kool :)
[06:47] <apachelogger> [06:47] <Jucato> good goody :)
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: is anybody following displayconfig-gtk developments and updating guidance version?
[06:48] <_Sime_> Lure: We're in the process of merging and then sharing the backend code.
[06:49] <Lure> _Sime_: great - so I expect we will change kde frontend too?
[06:50] <_Sime_> Lure: I don't expect any radical changes to the frontend. It might work a bit better and have less bugs though.
[06:51] <apachelogger> hm
[06:51] <apachelogger> omg
[06:51] <Jucato> for screenshots?
[06:51] <apachelogger> yep
[06:53] <Jucato> polyester, default colors (kuseven I think), crystal windeco, sans serif fonts, crystalsvg icons, hm...
[06:54] <apachelogger> aaaaa crystal
[06:54] <apachelogger> omg
[06:54] <apachelogger> no
[06:54] <apachelogger> thoose icons
[06:54] <apachelogger> muahaha, wouldn't call them icons at all
[06:54] <apachelogger> ah
[06:54] <apachelogger> I'm soo stupid :|
[06:56] <Jucato> :)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[06:57] <Hobbsee> i wonder why my kdm is stuffed
[06:58] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5414  <- revu'erz wanted :)
[07:00] <apachelogger> aye, revu'erz are always wanted ... just open konqui -> go to revu.tauware.de -> press ctrl-f -> search for 'sitter' -> if you revued everything once within 24 ours you can win an amarok shirt :D
[07:00] <Jucato> nixternal: linspire is based on Ubuntu now, right?
[07:01] <nixternal> Jucato: kubuntu :)
[07:01] <Jucato> nixternal: blue wolf logo? O.o
[07:01] <Jucato> er.. on kubuntu? they use our KDE packages too?
[07:01] <nixternal> what is that?
[07:01] <Jucato> blue wolf = amarok logo
[07:01] <nixternal> oh, I have no idea..they are about to sell out to microsoft soon anyways I am sure
[07:01] <Jucato> hehe that's why I asked :)
[07:01] <nixternal> no logo, just the cool amarok letters
[07:02] <nixternal> got it from spreadshirt or revellinux
[07:02] <nixternal> they better say no
[07:02] <Jucato> I want aseigo's KDE shirt!!!
[07:02] <nixternal> ya, me too
[07:02] <Jucato> er.. I meant something like it.
[07:02] <nixternal> I have come close but not dead on
[07:02] <n8k99> hehe
[07:03] <nixternal> and a lot of the online shirts places don't make shirts for real men!
[07:03] <nixternal> ;p
[07:03] <Jucato> well, drop the "teenager" part and your correct :)
[07:04] <nixternal> http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_spectrop08_ltst_6nh_enus_600x405.jpg
[07:04] <nixternal> well that can't be good
[07:07] <apachelogger> is universe active by default?
[07:08] <Jucato> all of the 4 starting feisty
[07:08] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i believe so
[07:11] <Riddell> manchicken__: how was koffice?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if canonical/ubuntu was being asked to side with microsoft?
[07:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[07:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no.what would canonical/ubuntu do if linspire sells out to ms
[07:12] <apachelogger> Jucato: ?? even mutliverse?
[07:12] <Jucato> apachelogger: yes
[07:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that true?
[07:13] <Jucato> multiverse by default spec for feisty
[07:13] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why would it matter?  linspire doesnt do much for ubuntu anyway.
[07:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: universe and multiverse are enabled by default
[07:13] <apachelogger> omfg
[07:13] <apachelogger> why did nobody tell me :P
[07:13] <Jucato> apachelogger: welcome back to Kubuntu :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:33] <apachelogger> someone plz revu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu?action=diff&rev2=21
[07:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks lovely
[07:38] <apachelogger> hooray :)
[07:38] <Daskreech> hi Jucato
[07:38] <Jucato> hi Daskreech! any news from Mez?
[07:39] <Daskreech> Jucato: Nope I dreamnt that he logged in last night, that was strange. He kept trying to figure out why his name wasn't capitalized
[07:40] <Jucato> apachelogger: "This page describes how to manage software repositories in Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) and Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)." but starts of with Feisty Fawn?
[07:41] <apachelogger> hm
[07:41] <apachelogger> gotta fix that ^_^
[07:41] <apachelogger> anyway
[07:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports?action=diff&rev2=33&rev1=32
[07:42] <Jucato> oh he left...
[07:45] <Daskreech> he's back
[07:45] <apachelogger> bah
[07:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not sure if there's any need for the "For Feisty Fawn 7.04:" bits
[07:45] <apachelogger> austria
[07:45] <apachelogger> horrible place for a 24/7 online nerd
[07:45] <apachelogger> Jucato: better now?
[07:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: what shall I write instead?
[07:46] <apachelogger> Current release
[07:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: well I'm not sure what it's for, if you use the graphical tools you just tick the box, no need for those details
[07:47] <Riddell> so I'd just remove it
[07:48] <Riddell> manchicken__: got system settings running.  it's an empty shell for now but it runs
[07:50] <apachelogger> uhm
[07:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, there is no harm in leaving it, is there?
[07:52] <Riddell> so long as it doesn't confuse people
[07:53] <apachelogger> we should just produce videos :)
[07:53] <apachelogger> lot higher usability
[07:53] <Jucato> hehe
[07:59] <nixternal> holy smokes
[08:00] <nixternal> Riddell: explain how you made sense of the traceback for system settings? libc6 was the only thing it spit out for me
[08:03] <Riddell> nixternal: I just compiled with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull
[08:06] <nixternal> ahh
[08:07] <nixternal> that is what I didn't do when I was looking at it :)
[08:21] <Daskreech> screenies of tribe "1" are up
[08:23] <Riddell> where?
[08:24] <Daskreech> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=741&num=1
[08:32] <Riddell> their xubuntu ones are broken
[08:37] <Lure> apachelogger: re filelight> will just update Maintainer to ubuntu address and upload
[08:41] <apachelogger> Lure: huh?
[08:41] <Lure> apachelogger: for ubuntuX version, you need to update Maintainer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[08:42] <apachelogger> *modifies*
[08:44] <Lure> apachelogger: no need, have done it locally
[08:44] <apachelogger> ok
[08:44] <Lure> apachelogger: uploaded
[08:45] <apachelogger> thx
[08:46] <Daskreech> Where should I ask about groups within Ubuntu?
[08:48] <Lure> apachelogger: I am still missing khalki lib
[08:48] <apachelogger> Lure: got stuck in queue
[08:49] <Lure> apachelogger: in which queue?
[08:49] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=khalkhi
[08:50] <Lure> apachelogger: ok, will try to get source from there and test all three packages
[08:50] <apachelogger> uhm
[08:50] <apachelogger> Lure: better wait
[08:51] <apachelogger> didn't had a look at the others for ages :D
[08:51] <apachelogger> just gotta check them
[08:51] <Lure> apachelogger: true that - now that tribe1 is out, archive-admins will have some time for NEW handling
[08:52] <apachelogger> hm
[08:52] <apachelogger> Lure: ok, actually cards and applet should work just fine
[08:52] <apachelogger> at least I didn't change anything since my last test build
[09:06] <meven> i have a question about building kde4
[09:06] <meven> i've just compiled kdebase kdepim
[09:06] <meven> but in my KDEDIR/bin there not much programs
[09:07] <meven> and no startkde script
[09:08] <fdoving> meven: what does 'echo $KDEDIR' say?
[09:45] <apachelogger> nini
[09:45] <Riddell> night
[09:53] <Arby> anybody know if there are known issues with k3b in gutsy?
[09:54] <Arby> (just filed bug 119187)
[09:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119187 in k3b "[Gutsy]  cd burning with k3b fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119187
[09:54] <Arby> worked fine in feisty
[10:12] <crimsun> Arby: do you have a feisty install somewhere?
[10:13] <crimsun> if so, ls -ld /usr/bin/wodim
[10:13] <crimsun> Arby: I've found that I need to grant the user RT priority, else the burn fails with symptoms similar to yours
[10:13] <Arby> crimsun: yes I do, checking
[10:14] <Arby> crimsun: returns: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 351K 2007-02-02 20:30 /usr/bin/wodim
[10:15] <crimsun> ok, is a wrapper used to grant realtime privs?
[10:15] <Arby> I have no idea, I didn't set one if there is.
[10:19] <Arby> so am I missing a permission setting somewhere?
[10:20] <Arby> and is it normal for CD burning to require root privileges?
[10:36] <crimsun> Arby: for every last piece of hardware I've owned, yes, it is normal
[10:36] <Arby> OK
[10:37] <nixternal> rock on with your badselves
[10:37] <crimsun> Arby: I'm not intimate with k3b's innards or Kubuntu's usage; check if kdesu is used
[10:37] <crimsun> nixternal could help you chase it
[10:37] <nixternal> whoa
[10:37] <Arby> in which case shouldn't k3b handle this without the user having to set permissions
[10:37] <nixternal> what did I just step into
[10:37] <manchicken__> Riddell: Do you know what the dbus problem was all about?  I'm not very familiar with dbus.  My guess is that I needed to initialize something but didn't know it.
[10:37] <Arby> nixternal: bug 119187
[10:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119187 in k3b "[Gutsy]  cd burning with k3b fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119187
[10:37] <Arby> I'm trying to understand why it fails
[10:37] <Riddell> manchicken__: install dbus-x11
[10:37] <Riddell> should sort itself out from there
[10:38] <Arby> crimsun: suggests it's permissions related
[10:38] <nixternal> let me try a burn on my gutsy box
[10:38] <Arby> and I'm out of my depth with kde's innards
[10:39] <manchicken__> Riddell: Gotta love all of these weird dependencies.
[10:40] <nixternal> Arby: is that a sata burner?
[10:41] <Arby> nixternal: yes
[10:41] <nixternal> I believe the same on I have actually spec wise
[10:41] <nixternal> what were you burning, dvd or cd?
[10:41] <Arby> data CD
[10:41] <nixternal> ok, so I don't need to download an iso to try this
[10:42] <Arby> nope, any old random files will do
[10:42] <Arby> worked fine on the same machine in feisty
[10:42] <Arby> which is why it bothers me
[10:42] <Arby> could be a regression
[10:43] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:43] <nixternal> I get "cdrecord will be run without root privileges" message box when I fire up k3b
[10:44] <Arby> ah, so I need to set something somewhere
[10:44] <Arby> but it was none obvious (to me) what that required me to do
[10:44] <Arby> it's entirely possible this is me being inept
[10:45] <Arby> but at the same time, should I need to know that to burn a CD
[10:45] <Lure> manchicken__: which package needs dbus-x11?
[10:46] <Arby> nixternal: OK, I see that message but it tells me nothing about what I need to do about it.
[10:47] <manchicken__> Lure: The subversion version of systemsettings
[10:47] <nixternal> OK, here goes the burn
[10:47] <nixternal> wth
[10:53] <nixternal> OK...now here goes the burn
[10:53] <apachelogger> hm
[10:53] <apachelogger> Lure++
[10:53] <Lure> apachelogger: ?
[10:53] <apachelogger> revuing :D
[10:54] <Lure> apachelogger: hope I can do a bit more in next days
[10:55] <nixternal> Arby: the burn worked here, add comment to the bug
[10:55] <Arby> nixternal: thanks
[10:56] <nixternal> I forgot, I burned a DVD this morning as well
[10:56] <Arby> I wonder what's wrong here then
[10:57] <nixternal> have you tried the burn more than once?
[10:59] <Arby> yes, it's consistent
[10:59] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought the kdm login was fixed
[11:00] <nixternal> hrmm, and I still have icons on the desktop
[11:00] <Arby> me too, for both
[11:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: could you email my guidance/career choice teacher with those volunteer hours please?
[11:00] <nixternal> I know I just did a k-d-s install
[11:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: unless you'd rather...
[11:01] <Arby> unless the fix just didn't make tribe
[11:01] <nixternal> what is that? I think that might be a JR job
[11:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: oh, sure, sorry
[11:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, thanks
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the new livecd looks cool, the fonts match the resolution much like ubuntu does it (dpi?)
[11:08] <Riddell> mm, the fonts thing is a bug
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh, I happen to think it looks nice :)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe they could be enlarged just a bit, but it looks good when they're not too large
[11:12] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the issue is that X tries to use a DPI based on the monitor physical DPI.  gnome just sets it to a strict 96.  with guidance we set it to usually 96 but also some other possible values if they are better fits
[11:13] <_StefanS_> ok :) - the tribe1 livecd seems to install perfectly on my vmware btw
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the kubuntu kdm didn't show on first boot, is this a known bug also?
[11:20] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, update kubuntu-default-settings and restart kdm
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: okay ;)
[11:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: still doesn't work; it thinks I modified kdmrc which I didnt
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: we just round it around physical to match font sizes better
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: and we just change font dpi, not the rest of the display
[11:25] <toma> Lure: are you the one who commented on my blog?
[11:26] <Lure> toma: yep - just installed boxbackup and am really happy with it ;-)
[11:26] <toma> Lure: cool! When i had more time I would make a package for it
[11:26] <Lure> toma: it is already in universe
[11:27] <Lure> toma: boxbackup-client/server
[11:27] <toma> Lure: ah cool. /me pulls out his todo list and a pen
[11:27] <Lure> toma: it is just that I have used duplicity before - I just never came to boxbackup through google
[11:27] <toma> Lure: it should be based on a separate branch from 'chris' ideally.
[11:28] <toma> Lure: took me ages to find it as well
[11:28] <Riddell> Lure: that's what I was trying to say :)
[11:28] <Lure> toma: yep, client is changed on his branch - but I do not have GB files (or windows client), so it works ok here
[11:28] <toma> Lure: ah cool!
[11:28] <Lure> Riddell: I know, I just wanted to be more specific ;-)
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know how to get that freenode cloak (ubuntu/member), I tried asking seveas and he doesn't answer :)
[11:43] <Riddell> nope, I don't have one, someone will be incharge of it though
[11:44] <_StefanS_> ah nevermind..
[11:45] <gnomefreak> _StefanS_: are you a member?
[11:45] <_StefanS_> gnomefreak: yes
[11:45] <gnomefreak> and you want the cloak?
[11:45] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: he's probably sleeping
[11:46] <gnomefreak> around this time hes normally gone for the night
[11:46] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: yea, probably. But nevermind it, doesn't really matter that much. Its not like it changes anything ;D
[11:46] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: /msg him with your launchpad page and irc username
[11:46] <_StefanS_> uhm, I could try that
[11:47] <gnomefreak> i just pinged him
[11:47] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: well, no need for irc username, but he needs your LP page to prove that you are a member
[11:48] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: yep, I just msg'ed him, so lets see what happens
[11:48] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I assuming that sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings --reinstall is the thing to do (?)
[11:50] <_StefanS_> I/I'm
[11:50] <Riddell> should do it
[11:50] <Riddell> then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[11:52] <_StefanS_> ah, I just needed the newest updates it seems, they werent sync'ed to the dk mirror yet :)
[11:52] <_StefanS_> everything works now
[11:52] <_StefanS_> look very good btw,
[11:57] <Daskreech> Where did you drop it?
[11:59] <_StefanS_> Daskreech: well I had to eject one of my 100gb harddisks and put cloth inside the right ultrabay slot to get all the coffee out
[11:59] <_StefanS_> Daskreech: the harddisk even had small pools of coffee on the top :D
[12:00] <Daskreech> ahhh
[12:00] <Daskreech> that's a grind for well ground
[12:00] <_StefanS_> it smells nice when it gets all warm..