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mptGooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!02:30
mptdanilos, quite a few questions on rosetta-users@ about "No translatable templates available" messages02:38
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jam-laptopmthaddon: thanks for removing the spam. Any idea how it happened?03:04
mthaddonnot exactly - I'm pretty sure I disabled that account previously - this time I'm sure for certain, so if it happens again we'll know that somehow the spammer is re-enabling their account03:05
jameshmthaddon: how did you disable the account?03:07
mthaddonjamesh: set password is 'invalid' and set status of all rows in the emailaddress table to 303:08
jameshmthaddon: I wonder if that allows the person to reactivate the account?03:08
mthaddonjamesh: I understand there's a script that should do this more thoroughly, but it's broken at the moment03:09
mthaddonjamesh: it's possible - I should test it on staging...03:09
mthaddonexcept I don't think we have email going out from staging... anyway, I'll see how far I can get03:10
mthaddonjamesh: oh dear... you can indeed sign up again with the same account details as before03:31
jameshmthaddon: spiv had a half finished branch to try and make disabling users easier/more effective03:32
mthaddonjamesh: although not sure how we'd get around this (it would be trivial for spam users to sign up with a different email address anyway)03:32
jameshgiven the recent spamming, perhaps it should be resurrected and finished03:32
spivjamesh: yeah03:33
spivjamesh: want to do it for me? ;)03:33
jameshperhaps find someone who isn't totally busy on SSO or supermirror :)03:33
kiko-afkjamesh, spiv, mthaddon: the spam is driving me nuts, and I've been talking about this with salgado and steve03:33
kiko-afkunfortunately nobody has cycles for 1.1.603:33
kiko-afkwe have a couple of ideas03:33
kiko-afkbut I need some investigation first03:34
kiko-afkI'll email about this tomorrow03:34
kiko-afknot tonight. tomorrow :)03:34
mthaddonkiko-afk: driving me nuts too :)03:34
spivkiko-afk: you'd have time if you just stopped doing all that unimportant manager work, right? ;)03:34
kiko-afknobody else wants to do it spiv :-(03:34
kiko-afkok TFB03:35
kiko-afkZZZ03:35
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mthaddonsee ya03:35
spivkiko-afk: g'night03:35
kiko-afkfucking spammers man03:35
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mthaddonjamesh: does your branch you were talking about do this as a script or within the UI?03:36
mthaddonjamesh: sorry, looks like it was spiv's branch...03:37
jameshmthaddon: looks like it is in the UI03:37
jameshmthaddon: it is up on the pending-reviews page03:37
mthaddonjamesh: nice... 03:37
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ubotuNew bug: #119028 in launchpad "'+' email addresses should be collapsed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11902805:45
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carlosmorning08:46
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ubotuNew bug: #119053 in rosetta "references to rosetta-users mailing list should be removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11905311:40
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blink0Hi folks, I would like to know how to enable the Fn key in my laptop. I could not find a way to ask in Launchpad.net. Can I get any help here?01:13
oojahblink0: I can't help you myself, but the place in launchpad to ask questions is https://answers.launchpad.net/01:14
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FujitsuHow often does the PPA accepting thingy on dogfood run?01:54
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FujitsuAh, every 20 minutes, I see.02:01
cprovguten morgen, leute !02:02
FujitsuGut nacht.02:03
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lfittlcprov: is the PPA stuff available for testing? (I would really help me to use that stuff for my MOTU work)02:23
cprovlfittl: yes, beta-testing02:23
lfittlcprov: ok, where can I sign up? :)02:23
cprovlfittl: pvt02:24
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Fujitsucprov: I note that PPA binary accept mails for arch: all have (i386) in the subject line.03:26
cprovFujitsu: it's a temporary test/bug. We should not send those when operating *normally*03:28
cprovFujitsu: did all the rest work for you ? 03:29
Fujitsucprov: It looks good otherwise.03:29
FujitsuI personally like getting the binary accepts.03:29
cprovFujitsu: nice 03:29
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cprovFujitsu: so, we can discuss this later, maybe it's  a good idea to keep them (with better contents, though)03:30
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kikomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee03:59
statikme 203:59
Fujitsuyoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou03:59
sinzuime04:00
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bigjoolsmememe04:00
jskme04:00
barryme04:00
mptOk, compulsory singing lessons at the next Allhands04:00
allenapme04:00
kikome04:00
bacme04:00
jtvme04:00
BjornTme04:00
mthaddonme04:00
adeuringme04:00
carloslaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa04:00
salgadowho's chairing?04:00
kikoI hope it's SteveA 04:01
kikobut meanwhile, can it be mpt?04:01
stubme04:01
cprovme04:01
mwhudsonme04:01
mrevell_me but also finishing up on PPA marketing call04:01
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mptokie, MEETING TIME04:01
Rinchenme and Steve is on a plane04:01
mptWho is here who hasn't already said so?04:01
carlosme04:01
salgadome04:01
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bigjoolsRinchen: you have internet on your plane then? :)04:01
danilosme04:01
schwukme04:02
mwhudsonddaa: ping04:02
mptstub?04:02
stub(21:01:17) stub: me04:02
Rinchenbigjools, :-)  me and, oh btw, Steve is on a flight to London.04:02
bigjools;)04:02
stubflacoste: ping04:03
mptIn case you're wondering what's going on, this is the weekly Launchpad developer meeting04:03
flacosteme04:03
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mptFor the next half an hour or so, we'll be discussing Launchpad development.04:03
mpt== Agenda ==04:03
ddaahere04:03
ddaame04:03
mpt * Roll call04:03
mpt * Agenda04:03
mpt * Next meeting04:03
mpt * Actions from last meeting04:03
mpt * Oops report (Matsubara)04:03
mpt * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )04:03
mpt * Bug tags04:04
mpt * Operations report (mthaddon)04:04
mpt * DBA report (stub)04:04
mpt * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )04:04
mpt * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:04
mpt----04:04
mpt * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)04:04
mpt * Mini specifications (joey/steve)04:04
mpt * Including the RF number when closing bugs (kiko/joey)04:04
mpt----04:04
mpt * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )04:04
mpt----04:04
mpt== Next meeting ==04:04
mptAnyone who won't be here same time next week?04:04
ddaaI won't.04:05
kikoI will04:05
ddaa(I'll be on vacation for the next two meetings)04:05
mptok04:05
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mptEr, thanks ChanServ 04:05
kikoRinchen, did you make this channel +1?04:06
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kikoerr +t04:06
mpt== Actions from last meeting ==04:06
mptThere were none04:06
jameshChanserv likes me more than mpt04:06
Rinchenapparently04:06
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mpt== Oops report (Matsubara) ==04:06
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salgadomatsubara's not here today --it's a holiday here04:06
mptmatsubara isn't here, ok04:06
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Rinchenand here comes the oops report...04:07
Rinchens/in/is04:07
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mpt== Oops report (Rinchen) ==04:07
RinchenToday's oops report is about bugs 61096, 30602, 86361, 5464.04:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 61096 in rosetta "Rosetta should allow '\r' and '\r\n' in the same msgid/translation" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61096 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)04:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)04:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 5464 in blueprint "+specs page needs batching or redesign" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5464 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)04:07
RinchenThis week we had some occurences of OOPSes related to bug 61096. carlos, can04:07
Rinchenyou go on with the fix you proposed in the bug report?04:07
carlosRinchen: sure04:07
danilosRinchen: I don't think those are related... the OOPSes happened on $\r$\n, which is not the same thing04:08
carloswill see whether I could do it tomorrow as part of FiF04:08
carlosdanilos: it's the same thing04:08
daniloscarlos: this is allowing both \r and \n in the same string, not \r and \r\n04:08
kikocarlos, danilos: take it outside04:08
carloswhich is the same thing04:08
RinchenOk, please keep Diogo up to speed on those if you would. 04:09
RinchenBug 30602 is our top timeout bug and has been re-assigned to jtv. How's 3060204:09
Rinchenwork going?04:09
kikoI am giving jtv guidance on 3060204:09
carlosRinchen: sure04:09
kikoI have the email started, it will go out in 1.5h04:09
jtvThe very job this meeting is keeping me away from :-)04:09
SteveAhi04:09
jtvBig question is: how do I performance-test that mother.  I'll bother the other kids with that after the meeting.04:09
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mptWelcome SteveA 04:10
kikostub, so.. guess SSO has eaten up your free time.04:10
stubThat and the usual stuff04:10
Rinchenjtv, kiko - thanks. 04:10
stubI've done some work on Bug 86361 but not any significant progress04:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)04:11
Rinchenstub, you did some work on bug 86361 converting the GIST indexes to the newer04:11
Rinchenformat, right? How's that? Did it take any effect?04:11
kikookay.04:11
stub(indexes changed but hassn't helped enough for those crazy queries)04:11
kikostub, did the index change finish?04:11
stubRinchen: If we want to skip to the DBA part of the meeting....04:11
kiko:)04:11
mptWe could do that if it's helpful04:11
RinchenOk, I'll include the DBA piece back to Diogo04:11
stubAll our GIST text indexes are now GIN.04:12
RinchenBug 5464 is not a problem right now but should be kept on radar. It's the top04:12
Rinchensoft time out (after 30602); It's an unbatched page which issues repetitive04:12
Rinchenqueries to the DB.04:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 5464 in blueprint "+specs page needs batching or redesign" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5464 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)04:12
kikoRinchen, okay. can have jon work on that by 1.1.804:12
RinchenGreat. That concludes the OOPS report.04:13
mptthanks Rinchen 04:13
mpt== Bug report ==04:13
Rinchen3 for today04:13
RinchenBug #107912, mthaddon, there was some discussion about  leaving this bug in progress until we move to apache load balancer or whether to assign it to someone who can fix it from here.  jamesh / stub - any words of wisdom?04:13
ubotuBug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private04:13
RinchenBug #62612, first reported on 2006-09-27. I bumped this up from high to Critical this week based on a discussion with elmo. mthaddon is working on a fix to relieve some of the current space issues by cleaning out the accepted queues. We still need to look into other areas for cleaning such as old distros. cprov, any ideas there?04:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 62612 in soyuz "Need a drescher disk space strategy" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62612 - Assigned to Tom Haddon (mthaddon)04:13
jameshRinchen: I think 107912 is fixed, isn't it?04:14
Rinchenjamesh, it was partly cherried last night04:14
mthaddonRinchen: 107912 is okay, the one about the apache load balancer and whether to leave it open til then is bug 118976 04:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118976 in launchpad "Source IP of site visitors not currently reported in Launchpad logs" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118976 - Assigned to Tom Haddon (mthaddon)04:14
Rinchengah04:14
Rinchenok, we'll drop that one today then.04:14
jameshRinchen: well, I'm not sure how the load balancer would affect it04:15
cprovRinchen: mthaddon should a list of files by this time. IHMO, the fix is trivial and will just work04:15
cprovRinchen: about archive-removal for old distros, we will address it in 1.1.7 04:15
mthaddonRinchen: 62612 is in progress and working fine - should complete today04:15
cprovRinchen: basic directions were already discussed and approved04:15
Rinchencprov, mthaddon thanks. Is there a new bug for the work in 1.1.7 or will we reuse the existing ticket?04:16
kikois everything tom's fault this week!!04:16
Rinchenhehe, kiko I don't buy that at all 04:16
mptIs that all for the bugs report?04:16
cprovRinchen: there is a spec, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/soyuz/+spec/archive-removal-redesign04:16
Rinchenmpt,  1 more04:16
mthaddonRinchen: not sure about that...04:16
Rinchencprov, great thanks.04:16
RinchenBug #65800, first reported on 2006-10-12. mthaddon, I know you've been busy as we've dumped some other critical on you plus normal work. Does this look like it can be done for 1.1.6?04:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 65800 in launchpad "staging. and demo. should obviously be demos" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65800 - Assigned to Tom Haddon (mthaddon)04:17
mthaddonRinchen: I don't see why not, but I'm not sure why it's assigned to me04:17
RinchenYou agreed to take it last week :-) 04:17
RinchenShould it belong to someone else?04:17
Rinchenlike mpt?04:18
mptIt's about code that distinguishes between production and non-production databases04:18
mthaddonRinchen: ah, that would explain it :( 04:18
mptMy part of it is already done04:18
mptand in the main template.04:18
mptJust commented out.04:18
mthaddonRinchen: I'll take another look at it and let you know (haven't had time to delve into it yet)04:18
mptSomebody on the infrastructure team?04:18
kikompt, I think assigning it to tom is confusing there.04:18
kikoit just needs a config item04:19
kikothat's not very difficult to do04:19
mptI don't remember if I was the one who did that. If so I apologize.04:19
kikoand nothing tom would need to do04:19
=== Rinchen assigned it last week after Tom took it.
Rinchenblame me.04:19
stubPunt it to me04:19
mthaddonRinchen: if I took it, then it's my own fault... thx stub04:20
mptThis meeting shall be a blame-free zone. Moving on ...04:20
RinchenIf Tom is the wrong person I happen to know we have cadre of other great developers :-) 04:20
Rinchenstub, thanks.04:20
Rinchenmpt, done with bugs.04:20
mpt== Bug tags ==04:20
mptThere were no tags proposed.04:20
mpt== Operations report (mthaddon) ==04:20
mthaddonBusiness as usual. 04:20
mthaddonRolled out change to X_FORWARDED_FOR so we now are gathering source IP(s) of visitors - bug 118976 (need to decide whether to close bug or re-assign)04:20
mthaddonSpam issue - been discovered that current method doesn't prevent users from signing up again with the same email address and continuing to spam04:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118976 in launchpad "Source IP of site visitors not currently reported in Launchpad logs" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118976 - Assigned to Tom Haddon (mthaddon)04:20
mptmthaddon, anything else?04:21
mthaddonfor 118976, we are now getting two IPs, the source IP and 127.0.0.1 in a comma seprated list - not sure whether to leave as is until we move to Apache load balancer or not...04:21
mthaddonI'd like some input on that bug, but other than that, nothing else04:22
mptWho can provide that input on 118976?04:22
mptSteveA?04:22
mptThanks Tom for that report04:23
mthaddonI can follow up later if no-one's biting...04:23
mpt(and thanks Joey for the bugs report)04:23
mptok04:23
SteveAI'll talk with mthaddon about htat later04:23
mthaddonthx SteveA04:23
mptcool04:23
mpt== DBA report (stub) ==04:23
stubI need to know if there are any DB patches yet to reach my queue so I can schedule a call with Mark for the second round of review.04:23
stubAll our GIST text indexes are now GIN. It has helped a bit, but not nearly enough to mark Bug 86361 solved. I'll look at it a bit more, but I think we are going to need to sort this at Python level by simplifying what queries end up going to the db.04:23
stubIdeally db patches will be done the release cycle before the code is written - we have had db patches bounced at a late stage already, and if we are able to do this it could save us some rewriting.04:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)04:23
kikoI want to apologize for not having the DB patch plan in place earlier, which is why we're going to overrun the weekly schedule slightly04:24
kikoI have a meeting item about this.04:24
statikstub: when is your meeting? I'd like to sneak a patch in late (next 24 hours or so)04:24
stubstatik: Not scheduled yet, because I wasn't sure what was still inbound. I'll look forward to your patch.04:25
danilosstub: I'll have a simple patch myself04:26
statikkiko: i think we are all getting used to the new schedule, but I want to say that I think it is going to start working really well once we get through the first cycle04:26
stubdanilos: eta?04:26
danilosstub: Monday04:26
stubok.04:26
mptstub, anything else?04:26
stubno04:27
mptok, thank you04:27
mpt== Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] ) ==04:27
kikostub, please see privmsg04:27
RinchenI received RT access for the Launchpad queue this week and have done some "dustin' and a cleanin'".  This has enabled me to close a rather surprising number of open tickets. Also the Sysadmin team has also been working on our queue and they have closed quite a few tickets as well. 04:27
RinchenDoes anyone have any urgent RT's that I should be aware of, particularly if they are blocking you?04:28
Rinchen504:28
Rinchen404:28
Rinchen304:28
jtvJust an annoyance: moin patch04:28
RinchenUnderstood. I can't prioritize that over system requests though, I hope you understand. 04:29
jtvsure04:29
mrevellRinchen: 28195 and 28197 are required to get the LP News blog to a state where we can announce it04:29
RinchenRight the news and theme iirc04:29
RinchenThose are listed as higher priority but I'll look at them again today04:29
mrevellRinchen: theme and htaccess04:29
kikomrevell, due for 1.1.6 correct?04:29
mrevellRinchen: Theme is part way done thanks to mthaddon04:29
mrevellkiko: Yes.04:29
kikothank u04:30
Rinchenok, thanks folks. mpt, back to you04:30
mptthanks again, Joey04:30
mpt== A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) ==04:30
mrevellOn 22 June, we are closing the rosetta-users list to new posts. I have posted a message to launchpad-users and rosetta-users about this. There is also a message on the rosetta-users' Mailman page and in the footer of every rosetta-users email.04:30
mrevellCarlos has already changed the subscription policy to moderated, to prevent people signing up and thereby wasting their time. On 22 June we'll close the list to new posts but leave the archives online.04:30
mrevellUnfortunately, we can't migrate people from rosetta-users to launchpad-users, so we've asked them to sign up manually.04:30
mrevellThe closure shouldn't have too much impact, as rosetta-users is quite quiet now.04:31
jtvIsn't it a matter of a mailman mass-subscription?04:31
kikojtv, mrevell: I think it's an advantage to garden the list that way, though.04:31
mrevellkiko: true.04:31
barryjtv: it's technically possible to migrate, but it may not be socially desireable04:31
=== jtv nods
carlosjtv: personal preferences like nomail, digest, etc...04:31
mptcarlos / danilos, I saw a couple of questions about "no templates available" messages on rosetta-users@, that it would be nice to reply to before it's closed04:32
mptunless you've replied to them already04:32
mrevellcarlos and I discussed the fact that launchpad-users is higher traffic, too, so people may not be happy being automatically signed up to it.04:32
danilosmpt: sure, will get to doing lists after the meeting04:32
mptdanilos, thanks04:32
mrevellSo, mpt, that's all from me.04:32
mptThanks mrevell 04:32
mpt== How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry) ==04:32
barrysome reviewers have seen pre-impl phone calls on branches, though only on the new branches. some reviewers have even had pre-impl calls too.  so far feedback is light but positive; reviews seem helpful.  all the new 1.1.6 branches should have pre-impl review calls.04:33
barrythat's status from yesterday's eu/us reviewer's meeting04:33
barrydoes anybody here have anything to add, positive or negative?  have you been doing the phone calls?04:33
Rinchenbarry, ...04:33
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RinchenI saw somewhere a proposal to track if branches have had pre-imps.04:34
Rinchenis that true?04:34
jameshI did a call with carlos today04:34
barryRinchen: there's a line in PendingReviews that submitters are supposed to fill in with their pre-impl reviewer04:34
jameshwhich seemed productive04:34
=== carlos did one with jamesh :-P
barryold branches won't have them, but all new branches should04:34
Rinchenbarry, thanks. I'm excited to see how this progresses.04:35
barrycarlos, jamesh: excellent, thanks04:35
jtvI've had two last week or so, and they were good04:35
mptbarry, do you want to discuss this again next week?04:35
=== flacoste did two-in-one with salgado, hosted one for jtv and with jsk (after meeting)
ddaaI have mostly informal calls and IRC chats about the design of new code, with teammates. I am currently using that to fill the preimpl review field.04:35
barrympt: i think we should keep it on the schedule for the entire cycle04:35
mptok, that seems reasonable04:35
mptmoving on04:35
mpt== Mini specifications (joey/steve) ==04:35
RinchenSteveA, 04:36
Rinchenand I have developed a way to break-out large items04:36
SteveAhi04:36
SteveAright04:37
=== Rinchen passes over to Steve.
SteveAso, our standard spec template on the wiki is great for exploring an issue04:37
SteveAand examining all its facets and communicating about it etc.04:37
SteveAhowever04:37
SteveAsometimes, we want to take a large task, and break it down into smaller parts04:37
SteveAso each can be tracked separately within a development cycle04:37
=== barry can relate
SteveAso, we've developed a pattern for doing this04:38
SteveAthat04:38
SteveA - keeps the content of the specs on the launchpad wiki, without creating lots and lots of wiki pages04:38
SteveA - allows the dependency and metadata and targeting to be tracked in the blueprint tracker of launchpad04:38
SteveA - has a template for writing a "spec" that is absolutely minimal04:39
SteveA    while still communicating the scope, the goal/deliverables, and how we'll know when it is complete04:39
SteveARinchen can point out the template and @how to@ guide for this that he put together04:39
SteveA(excuse UK keyboard)04:39
Rinchen wiki:minispectemplate04:39
SteveAplease use this template when doing a minimal spec like this04:40
SteveAand I recommend you start a big spec with a minimal spec04:40
ddaahttps://launchpad.canonical.com/minispectemplate04:40
SteveAand enlarge it if needed after that04:40
SteveARinchen: that's all I have to say on this right now04:40
SteveAthanks ddaa04:40
barrySteveA: what about existing big specs?  should we split them up into smaller specs to fit them into the cycle?04:40
mptThank you SteveA04:40
Rinchenthanks SteveA04:41
SteveAbarry: do that if you need to in order to plan things effectively during a cycle04:41
kikowhat SteveA said04:41
mpt== Including the RF number when closing bugs (kiko/joey) ==04:41
RinchenOne thing this does due for us is to allow multiple people to have worked assigned to them via the Milestone list04:41
SteveAyou can link from mini specs to larger specs04:41
barrythat makes sense: big specs are for the big picture, mini specs are for actually accomplishing the work within the cycle framework04:41
Rinchen I've been relating them to Bug Tasks. In a way a mini spec can be used like a "spec task" 04:42
kikocan we move on?04:42
RinchenBut it can be used of course for more things.04:42
kiko<mpt> == Including the RF number when closing bugs (kiko/joey) ==04:42
mptplease04:42
kikoSo engineers of the future04:42
kikowhen you mark a bug fix committed, please annotate the change with the RF revision number.04:43
kikoit's not just a good idea, it's the law.04:43
kikoEOT04:43
mptthank you kiko, and thanks for being brief04:43
mptwe have a couple more items which hopefully will be as quick04:43
flacosteactually, the agreed convention was 'Fixed in RF <number>.'04:43
flacoste(that was agreed in a LP meeting in December)04:43
kikothanks flacoste, please email a confirmation.04:43
kikothis is just me cleaning out an old INBOX item.04:43
sinzuiDo we do this for Fix Release?04:43
mptkiko, I e-mailed a confirmation during the week.04:44
kikothanks mpt 04:44
mpt== Problems with review process (Danilo) ==04:44
danilosWith lots of non-au reviewers on sprint, others busy with OpenID04:44
danilosstuff, we've got a bit of a stall in review process (I had bad04:44
danilosexperiences the last week).04:44
danilosIf it's a one off, lets ignore it, but if it's not, lets discuss this04:44
daniloson list (ping me if you've had bad experiences as well).04:44
danilosOther's experiences? What went wrong?04:44
danilosUse the list, I am done.04:44
mptThanks danilos 04:44
mpt== Database patch deadlines for 1.1.6 (kiko) ==04:45
kikoOkay04:45
kikoI sent out an email yesterday with a weekly plan for our releases.04:45
kikounfortunately we developed this rather late in the cycle04:45
kikoso04:45
kikoEXCEPTIONALLY04:45
kikofor 1.1.604:45
kikowe will be opening the database next TUESDAY04:46
kikoand closing it on THURSDAY04:46
kikothat means that your patches need to be up for review by MONDAY MORNING BANGKOK TIME04:46
jtvFor the record, is that on the calendar yet?04:46
cprovdanilos: I share this concern about my tasks for 1.1.6 too, reviewers are/will be overloaded, AFAICS04:46
kikomark and stub will have a call monday.04:46
kikojtv, no, it's 1.1.6-only, so it will only be communicated in email to avoid confusion.04:46
kikoI will email this to the list now.04:47
kikoif you have a database patch and this freaks you out, talk to me TODAY04:47
kikoEOT.04:47
mptThank you kiko04:47
mptand finally04:47
mpt== Team three sentences ==04:47
mptFlood the zone04:47
jtvTEAM: Translations04:47
jtvDONE: Opening for Gutsy, optimization, #46156, #116196, #116200, post-reviews04:47
jtvTODO: Complete #30602, #40550, #57460, suggestions filter, Firefox XPI import04:47
jtvBLOCKED: No04:47
flacosteTEAM: answer-tracker spec04:47
flacosteDONE: started implementation of FAQBase, nearly reach consensus on BadgesSpec and RanksSpec, work on supporting English through PersonLanguage.04:47
flacosteTODO: finish implementation of FAQBase, 1.1.6 bug fixes04:47
flacosteBLOCKED: no04:47
salgadoTEAM: FOAF04:47
salgadoDONE: Finished fix for bug 70519 and started SSO04:47
salgadoTODO: Finish SSO and bug 53442, land fix for 70519 and 04:47
salgadoBLOCKED: no04:47
mthaddonTEAM: Infrastructure04:47
mthaddonDONE: Production cherry picks, track down and fix problem with db reconnection (bug 117993), Launchpad-SSO work, triage, oops report, helped salgado with a fix for #1135, linkchecker testing on staging.04:47
mthaddonTODO: Beta LP Apache. Rollout Documentation, track down and fix problem with db reconnection (bug 117993), Launchpad-SSO work, triage, more linkchecker tests, update oops-tools to categorize exceptions (#118869) and LP to not log TranslationUnavailable exceptions (#118867)04:47
mthaddonBLOCKED: None04:47
barryTEAM: mailing lists04:47
barryDONE: sabdfl reviews completed; updates to specs 99% completed04:47
barryTODO: resolve last few issues & get big happy checkmark on phase two and three specs; code like mad04:47
barryBLOCKED: no04:47
mptTEAM: UI04:47
mptDONE: bug page work, SSO design (mpt), SSO Web work (Victor)04:47
mptTODO: SSO coding, finish bug page, bug fixes04:47
mptBLOCKED: no04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70519 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 53442 in launchpad "It should be possible to delete distribution mirrors" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53442 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)04:47
allenapTEAM: bug tracker04:47
allenapDONE: Bjorn and Gavin are sprinting in Luxembourg, working on Bug Workflow, Crash Database and bug 114763. Abel has fixed bug 6572. Schwuk was working on bug 58388, but has moved onto bug 116367 which is more pressing.04:47
allenapTODO: Bjorn, Gavin - bug 114763; Bjorn: Planning for next milestone; Abel - bug 6572; David - bug 58388, bug 116367; Gavin - bug 11636404:47
allenapBLOCKED: no04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117993 in launchpad "Database reconnection code can get stuck" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117993 - Assigned to James Henstridge (jamesh)04:47
statikTEAM: Commercialization04:47
statikDONE: reviews, salesforce integration, recruiting, prototyping, customer interactions,04:47
statikTODO: salesforce integration, reviews, figure out what can actually fit in 1.1.6 schedule and try to sneak a DB patch in.04:47
statikBLOCKED: no. 04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114763 in malone "View for approving many nominations at once" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114763 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 6572 in malone "In distribution bug searches, it should be possible to filter out bugs with open upstream tasks" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6572 - Assigned to abel (adeuring)04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 58388 in malone "Implement a tag command in the email interface" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58388 - Assigned to Dave Murphy (schwuk)04:47
cprovTEAM: Soyuz04:47
cprovDONE: PPA journey (code fix and beta-testing) & Soyuz 1.1.6 (all done in pending-review)04:47
cprovTODO: addressing reviews, starting 1.1.7 specs (commercial-repo & archive-removal)04:47
cprovBLOCK: no04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116367 in malone "Apport should be able to report private bugs" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116367 - Assigned to Dave Murphy (schwuk)04:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116364 in malone "Better handling of the "this is my bug" +filebug case" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116364 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)04:47
ddaaTEAM: Bazaar integration04:47
ddaaDONE: smartserver for supermirror up for code review, restricted branch listings for private  branches up for review, UI for branch visibility policy up for review, CodeImportTidbits, ImportdRolloutHowto,  import-status-change-ui, code-import-content-type up for review, code-import-initial-view started, code-import-content-type-consistency started.04:47
ddaaTODO: extend authserver api for on demand branch access and private branches,  team subscriptions for branches, land private branches, further investigation of codebrowse hangs, more code-import-* implementation, ddaa on vacation.04:47
ddaaBLOCKED: no04:47
mptIt appears that nobody is blocked04:48
mptwhich is good04:49
mptAny final thoughts?04:49
mpt504:49
mpt404:49
mpt304:49
mpt204:49
mpt104:49
mptMEETING ENDS04:49
ddaawell04:49
mptThank you everybody04:49
bacallenap: ping04:49
carlosthanks04:49
ddaastub made noises about db patches that should be scheduled on the cycle BEFORE anything that depends on them04:50
ddaawas that put in the law yet?04:50
ddaaRinchen: was it?04:50
stubI don't know if we can make it law, but it would be a good idea.04:50
flacosteddaa: that's the first time I heard about that04:50
ddaastub++ it would be a good idea indeed, when possible04:51
flacostebut having had a patch rejected late in the cycle, I can see the point04:51
Rinchenddaa, it's a good idea but we didn't document it anywhere.04:51
ddaaRinchen: oh BTW04:51
allenapbac: hi there04:51
flacostestub: i have a DB patch in your queue, but pending-reviews seems to have a problem with it04:51
Rinchenpart of what kiko and I have been poking at with the cycle is to attempt to make these finer details clearer so that we all understand what is due and when04:52
flacosteit's marked 'Unknown' but the path on PendingReviews seems fine04:52
ddaaRinchen: it's likely that my current db patch will get bounced, and that therefore mwhudson and I will miss our 1.1.6 goals, that all depend on it.04:52
kikomwhudson,  ddaa, kind of sad, but next time, discuss the idea earlier.04:52
ddaakiko: *cough*04:52
stubflacoste: I'll work it out. ta.04:52
mwhudsonand it also means that we'll be doing work for 1.1.7 that will be depending on a db patch that hasn't been approved04:53
flacostestub: thanks, you can always look into the faqbase-model diff which includes faqbase-db04:53
stubflacoste: Just make sure you have pushed it :)04:53
flacostestub: thanks for the reminder, but both are :-)04:53
mwhudson(though given that ddaa and stub just came up with the new plan together, that shouldn't be too much of a problem, i hope)04:53
ddaadirection has not been decided yet04:54
ddaait's just likely that the current design will be dropped in favour of the new idea04:55
ddaabut discussion still needs to happen all around the team04:55
stubflacoste: fti.py creates all the text indexes - you don't need to add them. Just edit the data structure at the top of fti.py04:56
flacostestub: i did, so I can remove the CREATE INDEX faq__fti from the DB patch?04:57
stubflacoste: Yes. All that will do is create a second index. You also don't want the fti column either.04:58
flacostestub: good to know!04:58
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 5464 in blueprint "+specs page needs batching or redesign" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5464 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)05:02
carlosRinchen: btw, remember to ping us if your management meeting takes doesn't finish in an hour...05:03
sabdfli'm +1 on batching for the page when rendered on Pillar's, where you don't really want to see the full list05:03
sabdflbut -1 on series, where you do want the full list, because it's the release-management view05:03
Rinchencarlos, Steve cleared me to attend your meeting05:03
Rinchenat least, that's what I remember ;-)05:03
sabdflat least, as a user of the system in that fashion, that's what i'd like05:03
sabdflany objections?05:03
carlosRinchen: well, I was suggesting to delay our meeting until you are free05:03
mptIs the distrore^Wdistroseries Bugs listing batched?05:04
kikohopefully05:04
Rinchencarlos, "free" is relative :-)   So I can make it happen now.  IRC, voice?05:05
carloskiko, danilos, jtv: ^^^05:05
mptI don't see why the blueprints listing would be batched differently from the bugs listing (modulo the amount of information shown for each)05:06
kikowhat carlos?05:06
carloskiko: 1.1.7 planning meeting?05:06
mptanyway, bedtime05:07
kikocarlos, totally impossible this week for me, want to pre-plan with joey, it's cool.05:07
kikosorry05:07
carloskiko: I thought this week was the deadline for that05:08
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RinchenOfficially it is but I think kiko wants to delay some of that.05:08
Rinchenflacoste is already done05:08
RinchenI saw your items yesterday05:09
Rinchenbzr down-under has completed most of theirs05:09
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Rinchenbzr europe has done some work there05:09
carlosRinchen: should we meet today then?05:10
Rinchenhmpf. Well, carlos jtv danilos 05:10
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carlosor just wait and meet next week with kiko and you?05:10
Rinchenwe can do a review and try to keep it short05:10
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beunomrevell: pong   :D05:10
jtvDo it offline, per email, but with a bit of structure perhaps?05:10
mrevellbeuno: thanks :) On a call at the moment05:11
beunomrevell: I'll idle here, just ping me back05:11
Rinchenin this regard, kiko is the customer. I know you've looked at.05:11
mrevellbeuno: cool05:11
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Rinchenso I'm ok if you want to delay it05:11
carlosI'm fine with having a meeting with you if it's short05:12
jtvcarlos, Rinchen: and I'm simply available05:12
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Rinchenirc or voice?05:12
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carlosvoice++05:13
carlosdanilos: ?05:13
Rinchenok, fire up skype and i'll ring you all in05:13
danilosah, let me dig out the headset05:13
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tarzeaucan i not create a new project on launchpad?06:53
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pochutarzeau: You can: https://launchpad.net/projects/+new06:56
tarzeauand join a projects?06:56
pochuFor that you have to join the drivers team, not the project.06:57
tarzeauhow can i do that? i want to be in nethack team06:58
pochu(Or the bugs contact team, or the security contact team...)06:58
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pochugo to the main page and in the right it says "Driver", "Bug contact"... Click on the team you want to join and join it as with any other team.06:58
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tarzeausays Not yet assigned and is not clickable?06:59
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pochuThen in the left in lifecycle you can see who's registered the project. Ask him.07:00
tarzeauwhat if the person who's registered the project is me? what should i ask myself?07:01
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tarzeauah i found out :)07:02
tarzeaui'm a driver now07:02
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marcin_anthi all08:53
marcin_antwhere can I talk about problems with my account in launchpad?08:53
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salgadomarcin_ant, here! :)08:55
marcin_antsalgado: ok, so I don't see bugs reported by me in my account summary08:57
salgadomarcin_ant, can you give me the link to the page in which you expected to see these bugs?08:57
marcin_antsalgado: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~marcin-antczak/+reportedbugs08:58
marcin_antsalgado: and for example there is a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbconfig-common/+bug/11331008:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released]  08:58
salgadomarcin_ant, you don't see them there because they're closed already. that page only shows the bugs which are still open08:59
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salgadomarcin_ant, that's indeed confusing, but we have a bug reported for it already08:59
salgadomarcin_ant, to see all bugs you reported you can go to the advanced search page08:59
marcin_anthmm but that's pretty weird that if we got "fix released" status then this bug is closed... but it doesn't mean that problem is solved09:00
marcin_antbecause in this particular bug fix is availabe as new upstream release - but not available for edgy or feisty users because there is no package with new version09:01
salgadothen it shouldn't be fix released?09:01
marcin_antsalgado: it depends what you mean by fix _released_ 09:02
salgadowell, it has been fixed for ubuntu09:03
salgadobut I think this is better discussed on #ubuntu-bugs09:03
salgadoindeed, we should make it clear that the +reportedbugs page doesn't include fix-released bugs09:04
marcin_antsalgado: for me if this fix is not packaged and available as upgrade for feisty users it's pretty hard to accept this as 'released'09:04
salgadomarcin_ant, I sort of agree with you on that, but this is part of Ubuntu's policy09:05
marcin_antsalgado: yeah... to be honest after few years with ubuntu I'm more and more dissapointed with all this "ubuntu policy" stuff... but it's not launchpad thing so forget09:07
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staniIs there a way that people can vote on a feature/blueprint?09:56
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kikostani, better than voting would be working on it!10:09
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RainCTHi10:14
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RainCThow can I upload a project to Launchpad?10:15
stanikiko: i know, but as I work on my project, it would be interesting to see easily what is the most requested feature10:33
kikostani, yeah, ISWYM10:35
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gianmtHi guys, is bazaar.launchpad.net down? I cannot push revisions.10:45
gianmtRainCT, you mean a bzr repo or tarballs? afaik for tarballs is not yet possible10:46
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RainCTgianmt: bzr, is it possible to create on there?10:48
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gianmtRainCT, sure11:04
gianmtpush the repo on your directory through sftp11:05
RainCTgianmt: to where?11:06
gianmtyou have an account on launchpad do you?11:07
RainCTyes11:07
gianmtso you have a https://launchpad.net/~user directory11:07
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RainCTyea11:08
gianmtRainCT, just a sec, wife calling11:09
RainCTokay11:09
gianmthere I'm :)11:13
gianmtso you need an ssh publick ke y11:13
gianmtyou can upload it into your profile11:13
RainCThave one, and uploaded11:14
gianmtafter you have done that you can push you repo with bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~youruser/yourpackagename/trunk11:14
gianmtuhm...and IIRC you don't even need trunk11:16
RainCTPermission denied (publickey).11:16
RainCTbzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation11:16
gianmtthat's an ssh problem, I just push a few revision without any problem11:16
thumperRainCT: push to sftp://youruser@bazaar.launchpad.net/~youruser/product/branch-name11:20
thumperthe sftp server uses the youruser@ to verify who you are11:21
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RainCTlike this? it continues without work..    bzr push sftp://rainct@bazaar.launchpad.net/~rainct/qttube/trunk11:22
ubotuNew bug: #119203 in malone "Pie chart labels should be hyperlinks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11920311:35
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RainCTthumper, gianmt: now :)11:37
RainCTI had a key I no longer have on LP11:38
RainCTprobably from my latest Ubuntu installation (overwrote the disc with Feisty), now that I've added the new ones it seems it works :) thanks11:38
gianmtnp :) glad that it works11:39
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ubotuNew bug: #119208 in launchpad "fmt:link should work for all linkable objects" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11920811:50

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