[01:06] <kitche> have any of you thought about using fmask or dmask in the docs instead of umask?
[01:07] <crimsun> more context?
[01:09] <kitche> with ntfs and vfat, all files will have the executable bit set because those filesystems don't understand the concept.  The dmask allows you to keep the +x on directories, and fmask to remove it from files.
[01:12] <nixternal> kitche: is it possible for you to do a write up on the wiki to help explain further? hopefully we can get it tested and possibly use it for documentation purpuses..that kind of information may be usefull to some users
[01:12] <crimsun> fmask and dmask aren't documented in mount(8) for NTFS.
[01:16] <nixternal> crimsun: I have read some ntfs howtos that document what he is talking about I believe
[01:16] <nixternal> I am not 100% sure because, opposite of what you and hobbsee believe, I don't have NTFS to test :)
[01:17] <kitche> I think umask needs to be used for mount but it's more for fstab I believe
[01:18] <crimsun> mount(8) options are the ones used in fstab(5)
[01:21] <kitche> hmm fmask and dmask does seem like fat only but it seems to work for ntfs also
[01:40] <Tom47> not sure if this is the right place but to at least one degree https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows needs a change to reflect feisty
[01:42] <crimsun> you may log in using your LP credentials and change it.
[01:45] <Tom47> crimsun not certain i would be willing to back my jusdgment
[01:46] <crimsun> then modify it, and ping me to check when you've finished
[02:06] <Tom47> crimsun have made the change i noticed .... upon reflection it prob also needs an update to reflect vista (ie beyond XP) but i don't have vista (nor a live XP for that matter)
[02:06] <crimsun> I have access to Vista and can check.
[02:07] <Tom47> ok ty ... well thats a first for me .... always good to do something new
[02:08] <kitche> I m use to writing documention lol used to write it all the time when I worked on Source Mage
[02:08] <Tom47> its many years since i documented systems .... anyoe remember COBOL ;-)
[02:08] <crimsun> looks fine to me.
[02:09] <Tom47> ty
[02:18] <JanC> Tom47: I learned COBOL at school, writing programs on paper with little squares & some fatter lines to mark the important collumns...
[02:18] <JanC> but that's about it  :)
[02:19] <Tom47> ah the joy of sunbmitting it to the keypuch area for cards
[02:19] <Tom47> gives me the horrors thinking abt it
[02:19] <JanC> there were no punch cards anymore in my time at school (early 1990s)
[02:20] <Tom47> it was 1969 for me sad to say
[02:20] <JanC> but we got the horror stories from teachers who accidentally droped a stack of unnumbered punchcards  ;)
[02:21] <JanC> 1969 actually sounds like a great time for learning CS :)
[02:22] <JanC> you know, back when some people still understood everything about computers  :)
[02:22] <crimsun> back when there were serious operating systems problems to resolve
[02:23] <Tom47> its an addiction
[02:23] <crimsun> I can only imagine the excitement surrounding semaphores, monitors, etc. - things we take for granted today
[02:24] <JanC> like, "we have 2050 bytes of code and only 2048 bytes of memory"?  ;)
[02:25] <Tom47> Granite Rockx - tm Stoneage clinkernet start-up
[02:25] <JanC> well, some people still question the usefulness of things like semaphores
[02:27] <crimsun> heh, my mentor at IBM (Brian Clark, who's a Fellow) told me lots of neat stories about their systems fixes :)
[02:28] <crimsun> JanC: sure, but to date no one has devised as nice a solution.
[02:29] <JanC> many people just (try to) avoid the problem
[02:29] <Tom47> Sema4 - tm new-wave communications technologies
[02:30] <crimsun> yeah, a lot of programmers fall back to single-threaded solutions
[02:31] <Tom47> heheheh
[02:32] <JanC> or at least "limited threaded" solutions
[02:33] <Tom47> Sema4 have flagged an upcoming micro-warp release
[05:33] <somerville32> Hiya
[12:02] <bdmurray> should bug 86058 be opened or fix released?
[12:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86058 in xubuntu-docs "Minor spelling correction - "Add Applications -> Synaptic"" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86058