=== Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@adsl-69-209-68-46.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === mode/#ubuntu-mozillateam [+o Admiral_Chicago] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-mozillateam [-o Admiral_Chicago] by ChanServ [01:08] red_herring: so you are already here... [01:08] i was about to request you [01:08] hence ops === red_herring is present === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp167-203.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:24] only here for a few i should be back in morning for the day. I did something stupid and im fixing it ;) [02:34] ooo, native theme buttons in firefox trunkies ^-6 [02:34] ^-^ * === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp167-203.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:50] congradulations to roc & his homies for sucessfully enabling native widget drawing within the html documents on firefox trunkies === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [10:16] morning! [10:47] hjmf: morning :) [10:47] let the day commence ;) [10:47] finally thunderbird 2.0.0.4 RC1 is out ... wow! [10:48] that is wierd ... not even binaries on ftp [10:51] ah .. apparently they are not mirrored ... so you have to go to right/primary server to find them [11:34] hjmf: are there talkback ids for mozilla bug 357030 [11:34] Mozilla bug 357030 in General "Clicking an item causes Firefox to crash" [Critical,Resolved: worksforme] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357030 [11:43] ? [11:49] asac: hi! I was going to review that bug this evening as I noticed that was upstream rejected [11:50] also noticed that the upstream's OP used ubuntu too [11:51] ... however looking now. There are talkbacks incidents with that signature [11:52] give me some minutes to check [12:00] yes there are talkbacks from 2.0.0.4 that matches our master bug #89090 [12:00] Launchpad bug 89090 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crashed [@nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] ] [@nsTextControlFrame::SetProperty] " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89090 [12:00] e.g. http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/firefox/FF2004/smart-analysis.lin [12:01] search for [12:01] "[ 9 nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() 70fe212a - nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() ] " === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [12:01] which is a crash from mandrake or mandriva however is now called [12:01] asac: ^^^ === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak wishes other distros would catch up to dpkg/apt a bit faster [12:06] mandrake is a redhat son ;) === gnomefreak playing with fedora [12:07] and it cant determine depends nor work them out worth a crap [12:07] I used mandrake for lots of years and finally I got tired of rpm's [12:07] hmmm ... as long there there are talkbacks it might make sense to reopen or post a new bug [12:08] asac: how can be reopened a upstream bug? [12:08] hjmf: file it again with [dont close] ;) [12:08] hjmf: i can do that ... as i have unrestricted privileges in bts :) [12:09] this morning I posted there a comment [12:09] asac: cool [12:09] one of the goods that shipped with getting into the mozilla security group :) [12:09] actually not unrestricted ... but mostly anything ;) [12:09] you have to know too much to get involved upstream :( [12:11] we have asac, he involves us upstream! :-P [12:11] :) [12:13] yeah .... hjmf if you have multiple bugs you would like to NEW (e.g. confirm) ... and have posted some comments in bugzilla you can write a gerv@mozilla.org to get the NEW power [12:13] e.g. the ability to confirm bugs upstream [12:13] actually I have just post once upstream (this morning) ... but good to know [12:14] jmf: yeah ... once you have done some triaging ... or reported a few new bugs which are valid and are confirmed [12:14] we have enough bugs in mozilla in ubuntu let alone working on upstream bugs [12:14] gnomefreak: the idea is not to work on bug here in ubuntu, but collaborate with upstream [12:14] good point [12:14] (e.g. let them fix our bugs ... which we gathered valuable info on) [12:14] actually we are more like a "spam" filter [12:15] asac: yes, I have to be more confident with upstream triaging before starting messing there [12:15] give me time :) [12:15] hjmf: yes if you have questions let me know [12:15] asac: sure [12:15] hjmf: you could be like gnome upstream and just close bugs without giving a good reason [12:15] ;) [12:15] gnomefreak: lol [12:15] hehe ... upstreams tend to do that :) [12:15] in general [12:16] they dont want to be bothered is why they do that [12:16] or they are too proud of their code :) [12:16] more features == more bugs but they dont relize that [12:17] yeah mostly they are proud of their code === gnomefreak loves gnome but there are alot of complaints i have with it but will never be fixed [12:17] and for the epiphany case they probably have the same problem upstream [12:18] whenever they claim that mozilla has a problem their bugs get rejected with "we don't support you" ... "you are doing wrong" :) [12:18] asac: has anyone filed that upstream with mozilla yet? [12:18] gnomefreak: the crash in epiphany? [12:18] yes [12:18] actually that should be done by epiphany devs [12:18] because only they can really argue why its not their fault [12:19] if we post there, mozilla devs will most likely say that its epiphany who trashes memory === gnomefreak thinks file it upstream let mozilla tell us its mozilla or epip. than go back with this is what they stated now we need more info on why you think its gecko [12:19] gnomefreak: yeah [12:19] thats right [12:19] so the bug sits there and doesnt get fixed? thats not good opensource policy IMHO [12:20] noone feels responsible [12:20] that is no policy :) [12:20] actually i will try to talk to chpe :) [12:20] i already had arguments with him about totem crashes [12:20] so i am not really optimistic ... but its at least a try [12:20] be hard! [12:20] :) [12:21] lets find out whats wrong with it and patch it send patch to whoevers fault and go that route maybe [12:21] hjmf: i already tried that ;) [12:21] way too much work on our end though [12:21] gnomefreak: yeah :) [12:21] gnomefreak: actually i think its a gecko problem (after all) [12:22] problem is that epiphany uses gecko in a way, firefox doesn't use it [12:22] so if we can reduce the testcase by just a simple gecko app [12:22] we could boost it :) [12:22] but that requires coding ;) [12:23] that's epiphany's guys work, IMHO [12:23] yes [12:23] point is that they couldn't reproduce :/ [12:23] which is a valid point ... though i doubt that they really tried hard [12:24] yeah [12:25] otoh, maybe it doesn't happen on trunk (for gecko) ... which would make any serious work on this somehow wasted time [12:27] asac: was seb or daniel able to reproduce or anyone on the desktop team? [12:27] seb is on holiday unfortunately [12:27] i bet they can reproduce though [12:27] can we reproduce on gutsy? [12:28] i only tried feisty [12:28] asac: i dont think so but i will check later onc ethese updates are done [12:28] i was gonna try on fedira last night but its not installable [12:28] fedora even [12:28] cant find libgecko.... useless ass pakcage-manager [12:29] fedora is uninstallable? [12:29] are you trying chroot? [12:29] epiphany is uninstallable in fedora [12:30] no there is no docs on creating a chroot for it other than using mock and iirc mock is fedora>fedora === gnomefreak needed to move gutsy to bigger drive so i installed fedora over gutsy and installed gutsy on 40 gig [12:31] fedora has urpmf like mandrake? [12:31] not that i know of [12:32] atleast they didnt when i stopped using it at FC4 [12:32] hmm === gnomefreak relearning rpm/yum but they do have apt modified for rpms [12:32] it was quite useful to find packages I thought they have taken it from mdk [12:33] but as of fedora7 alot of things have changed will be changing (not sure if released yet) but they dropped core and extras [12:35] although the one thing so far that i liked is printer was auto detected auto configured during install [12:35] that's not a valid point, if everything gets autoconfigured where is the fun? [12:36] true [12:36] that's what I dislike most from ubuntu too [12:36] :) [12:36] you still have to add printer to ubuntu though [12:36] I don't know, my printer is at the debian server [12:36] hjmf: go debian then :) [12:36] which sure I had to configure [12:37] asac: ^^ [12:37] but unfortunately it mostly works as well ;) [12:37] ah :) [12:37] :) [12:37] http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/fedora/7/Fedora/i386/os/images/minstg2.img [12:37] i am trying to use that one :) [12:37] lets see what it is [12:38] hjmf: use fedora it will take you an hour+ to install nvidia drivers [12:38] ... interesting! ;) [12:38] do you use the official rpms right? [12:38] no [12:39] hjmf: they have unofficial repos [12:39] ah, I used the official ones for mandrake [12:39] but I gess that it wasn't even rpms [12:40] I left mdk a year ago [12:40] the wiki gives you someoneelses yum.conf to use with alot of repos than install log out log in as root(still not sure how yet) config-command log out and back in again [12:40] sounds easy :( [12:41] ok that is too simplistic [12:41] i managed to chroot into that [12:41] lol [12:41] but thats just nothing [12:42] gnomefreak: do you use dualhead? [12:42] hjmf: hell no [12:42] ah, I could have send you my old mdk xorg.conf files === gnomefreak lucky to get one working [12:44] gnomefreak: how does yum work? [12:44] asac: like shit [12:44] lol [12:44] :) [12:44] asac: i cant get it to work like it used to [12:45] asac: i am waiting to install yumex [12:45] its yums GUI [12:45] yum install should work but fails to work === gnomefreak has big book on FC4 [12:45] been looking things up as i go along [12:46] asac: man yum and yum --help are not very helpful [12:46] atleast at 11 pm lastnight they werent [12:46] yeah i just gave up [12:47] the minstg2.iso is probably not the right way to bootstrap a chroot :) [12:47] i doubt it ;) [12:47] i had extra space so i said wth === gnomefreak used to use fedora and suse all the time [12:48] mandrake was once in a while ubuntu === all the time [12:48] ok so they don't release cd images at fedora anymore ... just DVDs [12:49] as soon as ff opens i can tell you [12:49] thought there were cd images (atleast for 6 [12:49] ) [12:53] asac just for the record [12:53] [ 9 nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() 70fe212a - nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() ] [12:54] forget this ^ [12:54] vnc cp&paste again [12:54] wait [12:54] [12:54] 500 crashes found where the Stack Signature contains 'nstextcontrolframe::setvalue' and the Deployment ID looks like 'MozillaOrgFirefox2%%' [12:55] from talkback [12:56] the limit of the search was 500 though [12:56] ouch [12:57] hjmf: is that a search for firefox 2 only? or also trunk? [12:58] product: All [12:58] so I guess that involves trunk ?? [12:59] yeah [12:59] who knows [12:59] how did you find the bug? [01:00] isn't there a bug with @...setvalue in summary? === gnomefreak wants to see this movie it looks cute :) [01:02] hjmf: anyway ... have you looked at the talkback signatures? do they look somehow similar === asac for me totem doesn't start anymore ..."BadMatch" === asac but ut2004 works instead !! [01:03] asac: doe sit give you the bad match bychance? [01:03] asac: yes the ones I've look in matched [01:03] gnomefreak: yes [01:03] hjmf: cool [01:03] asac: I don't remmember how/why did I find that bug [01:03] but looking for other open bugs [01:04] give me some minutes [01:04] hjmf: try to find a bug with that signature in summary ... otherwise we will open one and associate the talkback id with it [01:04] asac: ok [01:04] looking [01:04] maybe pick random signature elements to search [01:04] at best from the advanced search form ... where you can only search for "summary" [01:05] though there might be valid bugs that just have the stack in the content [01:05] asac: bugzilla bug 301270 [01:05] bugzilla 301270 [01:05] :) [01:05] mozilla bug 31270 [01:05] or not [01:05] Mozilla bug 31270 in MailNews: Account Manager "Cannot create a new mail account via Account Wizard" [Blocker,Verified: duplicate] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31270 [01:06] mozilla bug 301270 [01:06] Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270 [01:06] comparing stacks [01:06] yeah last one looks good [01:06] (from summary) [01:07] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270#c1 [01:07] Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New] [01:07] -> testcase [01:07] ?? [01:08] might be a bit tricky to do as we don't have quick-start [01:12] asac: the second stack in that bug matches our master, though is difficult to see because the way it is pasted [01:12] there is a test case, looking if I can reproduce ti [01:12] it [01:12] what is the second stack ? #5? [01:19] asac: yes #5 [01:20] asac: but this other one matches better: mozilla bug 383120 [01:20] Mozilla bug 383120 in Layout: Form Controls "crash on executing window.open javascript popup [@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383120 [01:21] I can't reproduce any of the test cases [01:21] hmm [01:23] this second bug has a test case easy to do, but nothing happens [01:24] hmmm ... hjmf maybe you should keep a debug build at hand ... often you can see assertion on the console and get much more valuable backtraces if you get a crash [01:24] ... and debug builds crash more easily ;) and more in the place where the bug occurs :) [01:25] nothing to hurry :) ... but any mozilla bug triager should have a debug build ;) [01:25] if you want to know how to do it let me know :) [01:25] asac: any link so I can look at it later [01:25] I'm off now for lunch [01:26] hjmf: its just: [01:26] 1. extract upstream source [01:26] 2. create a .mozconfig file in top-level dir: [01:27] . $topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfig [01:27] ac_add_options --enable-debug [01:27] ac_add_options --disable-optimize [01:27] (thats the content of the .mozconfig file) [01:27] 3. make -f client.mk build [01:27] 4. start firefox from dist/bin directory: cd dist/bin; ./firefox [01:27] done [01:28] ok copying, I may latter ask you as I try [01:28] sure [01:28] bye then, I'll be back this evening [01:28] :) [01:28] hjmf: cu! have fun ... and good lunch et al [01:28] ty [01:33] hjmf: added those instructions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [01:57] !chroot [01:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box [01:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop [01:59] i filled that page with previously unseen content :) [02:04] looks good [02:05] asac: why are we using upstream building instructions? [02:06] for instance to do debug builds? [02:06] ah ok [02:06] which is why i started to add content to that page [02:07] as in if we needed to find out if its ubuntu or upstream you can build upstream to test or to debug issue? [02:08] actually our backtraces are often not really usable because they come from an optimized build [02:08] ah ok [02:09] ok got 2 of my chroots building atm [02:10] and some moron that wont stop pinging me :( [02:10] pm? [02:10] you should killfile people more deliberately ;) [02:13] no in #ubuntu [02:15] gnomefreak: oh you are diving the major constant flood of brabbling :) [02:15] he has a mixed system efisty and gutsy and wonders why shits broken. hes trying to downgrade back to feisty now using pinning (doesnt work all that great) and i told him 3 times im in the middle of something. oh and hes and old debian user since warty [02:15] how many are in the channel 1k ? [02:15] 1106 [02:15] old debian user :) ... actually i managed to downgrade once on debian :) [02:15] but only once [02:16] yeah since debian warty [02:16] gnomefreak: tell him to upgrade to feisty ... or safe home and reinstall ;) [02:16] hehe debian woody he might mean ... but apparently he has no clue [02:16] i told him to reinstall a bunch of times but he doesnt listen [02:16] gnomefreak: then just ignore [02:16] he did mean woody im sure [02:16] he will stop at some point if you don't feed him [02:17] :) === gnomefreak thinking of learning bash so i can script these instructions :( [02:17] he stopped for now. [02:17] grrrrrrr [02:17] hehe i pinged you [02:17] maybe not [02:17] :) [02:17] oh [02:18] sorry for the joke [02:18] ;) [02:18] its all good [02:18] i grrrred before i looked [02:18] he was looking for support on his issue in -devel all i wanted to do was get him out of devel for support [02:21] i guess i can write the script to run the commands but i have to learn how to insert missing values maybe ill read /tonighttomorrow [02:22] tonight/tomorrow [02:23] what commands? [02:23] i guess i would have to define $version than i can use that for the ubuntu versions [02:23] asac: to build chroot [02:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot [02:24] ah you want to make setting up chroot more easily? [02:24] yes since i seem to do it alot [02:24] lol [02:24] wait [02:24] pitti had a script [02:24] http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/ [02:24] makechroot [02:24] i guess [02:24] ty [02:24] looking [02:25] it does mounting /dev at al [02:25] for you [02:25] automatically [02:25] take care that it mounts your home as well :) [02:25] so don't remove chroot without taking care of that [02:25] ... acutally when i lost my home it was because of that script ;) === gnomefreak managed to lose home without the script lol [02:26] hehe [02:27] is it NET||abuse who bugged you? [02:27] no [02:27] he appears to have problems with his wifi card [02:27] talmid was the one [02:28] ah ... i better exit that channel again ... its just sad to see people that don't get an answer :/ [02:28] NEt||.. always has issues with his wifi [02:28] maybe it was never resolved ;) [02:28] maybe [02:28] poor bastard === gnomefreak doesnt do wifi. my laptop i use wifi card plugin and go no config needed [02:33] what chipset has your card? [02:33] i have to get one as well as my laptop wifi ship is completely broken [02:33] dont know its a dlink wna 2330 [02:34] it was cheap like 20 USD === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak wonders if they fixed debootstrap for sid yet [02:40] ok im thinking the 19th [02:40] since july 3rd is close to a US holiday [02:41] screw it lets do the 26th at 1800 << asac ok date and time for meeting for you? [02:41] hjmf: Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford ^^^ === tsurc [n=alistair@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:42] asac: i also need a list of the type of skills for memebers. example bug traigers, forum posters, ect... [02:43] ill be posting a forum post (maybe get it stickied) about the team the archives for testing and request for skilled users (unskilled if willing to learn) [02:44] does any one know how I can get openoffice docs to open in a browser window. Oppenoffice has a firefox plugin but ubuntu doesn't seem to ship it. [02:44] tsurc: link to the plugin please [02:45] tsurc: and i guess it would depend on what your opening if it will open in firefox [02:45] tsurc, gnomefreak is the one you want to talk to :) === gnomefreak would push it off to asac but lets see what info you have on it. it may need to be packaged by OO.o devels anyway since the way he said it its an OO.o plugin [02:48] what license is it [02:49] apparently so I'm told debian ship it. the plugin's called libnpsoplugin.so [02:50] not sure, it part of the openoffice. but as I said the ubuntu openoffice doesn't have it in [02:50] *not sure which license [02:51] are you sure thats the plugin name? === gnomefreak hasnt seen a plugin end with .so [02:55] tsurc: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libnpsoplugin.so&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all [02:56] gnomefreak: if you can draft a post ... i can post it ... i have now the Developers "emblems" in forums [02:56] and heno told me that this would attract loads of people :) [02:56] of course i am unsure ;) [02:56] i have forum mods that can sticky it [02:56] gnomefreak: i guess the idea is you send it to mailing lists ... and i forward to forum ... in that way you get credits ;) [02:56] i just need to think of what to say [02:57] ah ok [02:57] gnomefreak: lets work on it a bit later ... i have to get something done atm [02:57] e.g. 1h [02:57] asac: i have alot to get done but ill be in and out all day mostly in [02:58] gnomefreak: this might shed some light http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=409514& [02:58] tsurc: if a debian package i need the link there. [02:59] tsurc: you did notice its for windows right? [02:59] gnomefreak: yep.... look down the bottom of that page though... [03:00] tsurc: not help ful [03:00] at all [03:01] i need link to plugin link to debian if they package it (doesnt say anything there about it) but the homepage for plugin for linux is the main thing i need. [03:01] this post in mozillazine is pretty much useless [03:02] asac: have you heard of this plugin? [03:02] hey I know..... that why I asked here if any one knew about a pluggin. There is one for windows that works (I've used it) and using that mozillazine page it appears there is one for linux... apparently.. but not in ubuntu. [03:02] would like to look into it ... iff its free software [03:03] otherwise we cannot care [03:03] tsurc: can you figure out where this plugin is distributed from? [03:03] that would help a lot [03:04] asac: I'll try.. either way though would you let me know any info you find. even if its non-free I'd still like to know more info. [03:10] i won't search for it :) [03:10] i rely on others bringing info to me :) [03:11] so i can evaluate in depth those that look good :) [03:15] ok then thanks anyway [03:16] np [03:20] asac: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mozilla-openoffice.org [03:27] tsurc: ok its build from within ooo [03:31] i would say file a wishlist bug and let OO.o guys play with it. i guess we are not merging OO.o from debian since we dont have it [03:36] yes ... wishlist for ooo [03:36] ok break [03:39] break also. tsurc can you file a bug against openoffice.org and give them what you would like included what it does some info on it and the link above than post the link to the bug in here ill mark it as wishlist and that way i can keep track of the status [03:51] gnomefreak: hows the best way to file it? its not something I've done before [03:53] !bugs [03:53] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots [03:53] tsurc: go there and it will help you through it just make sure you add the stuff above to it. [03:54] I.E. do I file it under ubuntu (Home>Ubuntu -> Bugs) or do I search for openoffice or firefox/mozilla package and file it there? [03:55] tsurc: giv eme a few minutes ill file it you add info after that [03:55] thanks [03:56] yw [04:01] tsurc: ok just add the rest of the info needed that i stated above to this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/119103 [04:01] Launchpad bug 119103 in openoffice.org "there is a plugin for OO.o that allows you to open stuff in firefox can we add this feature please" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] [04:02] ok going back to what i was doing. [04:03] just found this too, It doesn't look like anythings been done about it either. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mozilla-openoffice.org [04:03] tsurc: yes [04:07] http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html [04:08] tsurc: there is no package in testing nor stable [04:09] something is wrong with that package [04:09] maybe it was too broken to ship [04:09] or it wsa not build by default? [04:11] ok, so where is the best place to find out. I'll be guessing the package maintainer of openoffice upstream.. right? [04:15] for some reason im thinking doko is upstream as well as ubuntu (thought he was DD also but not sure) [04:16] for what? [04:16]