[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> red_herring: so you are already here...
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i was about to request you
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hence ops
[02:24] <gnomefreak> only here for a few i should be back in morning for the day. I did something stupid and im fixing it ;)
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> ooo, native theme buttons in firefox trunkies ^-6
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> ^-^ *
[07:50] <DarkMageZ> congradulations to roc & his homies for sucessfully enabling native widget drawing within the html documents on firefox trunkies
[10:16] <hjmf> morning!
[10:47] <asac> hjmf: morning :)
[10:47] <asac> let the day commence ;)
[10:47] <asac> finally thunderbird 2.0.0.4 RC1 is out ... wow!
[10:48] <asac> that is wierd ... not even binaries on ftp
[10:51] <asac> ah .. apparently they are not mirrored ... so you have to go to right/primary server to find them
[11:34] <asac> hjmf: are there talkback ids for mozilla bug 357030
[11:34] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 357030 in General "Clicking an item causes Firefox to crash" [Critical,Resolved: worksforme]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357030
[11:43] <asac> ?
[11:49] <hjmf> asac: hi! I was going to review that bug this evening as I noticed that was upstream rejected
[11:50] <hjmf> also noticed that the upstream's OP used ubuntu too
[11:51] <hjmf> ... however looking now. There are talkbacks incidents with that signature
[11:52] <hjmf> give me some minutes to check
[12:00] <hjmf> yes there are talkbacks from 2.0.0.4 that matches our master bug #89090
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89090 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crashed  [@nsTextControlFrame::SetValue]  ]  [@nsTextControlFrame::SetProperty] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89090
[12:00] <hjmf> e.g. http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/firefox/FF2004/smart-analysis.lin
[12:01] <hjmf> search for
[12:01] <hjmf> "[ 9   nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() 70fe212a - nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() ] "
[12:01] <hjmf> which is a crash from mandrake or mandriva however is now called
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[12:06] <hjmf> mandrake is a redhat son ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> and it cant determine depends nor work them out worth a crap
[12:07] <hjmf> I used mandrake for lots of years and finally I got tired of rpm's
[12:07] <asac> hmmm ... as long there there are talkbacks it might make sense to reopen or post a new bug
[12:08] <hjmf> asac: how can be reopened  a upstream bug?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> hjmf: file it again with [dont close]  ;)
[12:08] <asac> hjmf: i can do that ... as i have unrestricted privileges in bts :)
[12:09] <hjmf> this morning I posted there a comment
[12:09] <hjmf> asac: cool
[12:09] <asac> one of the goods that shipped with getting into the mozilla security group :)
[12:09] <asac> actually not unrestricted ... but mostly anything ;)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> you have to know too much to get involved upstream :(
[12:11] <hjmf> we have asac, he involves us upstream! :-P
[12:11] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:13] <asac> yeah .... hjmf if you have multiple bugs you would like to NEW (e.g. confirm) ... and have posted some comments in bugzilla you can write a gerv@mozilla.org to get the NEW power
[12:13] <asac> e.g. the ability to confirm bugs upstream
[12:13] <hjmf> actually I have just post once upstream (this morning) ... but good to know
[12:14] <asac> jmf: yeah ... once you have done some triaging ... or reported a few new bugs which are valid and are confirmed
[12:14] <gnomefreak> we have enough bugs in mozilla in ubuntu let alone working on upstream bugs
[12:14] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is not to work on bug here in ubuntu, but collaborate with upstream
[12:14] <gnomefreak> good point
[12:14] <asac> (e.g. let them fix our bugs ... which we gathered valuable info on)
[12:14] <asac> actually we are more like a "spam" filter
[12:15] <hjmf> asac: yes, I have to be more confident with upstream triaging before starting messing there
[12:15] <hjmf> give me time :)
[12:15] <asac> hjmf: yes if you have questions let me know
[12:15] <hjmf> asac: sure
[12:15] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you could be like gnome upstream and just close bugs without giving a good reason
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:15] <hjmf> gnomefreak:  lol
[12:15] <asac> hehe ... upstreams tend to do that :)
[12:15] <asac> in general
[12:16] <gnomefreak> they dont want to be bothered is why they do that
[12:16] <hjmf> or they are too proud of their code :)
[12:16] <gnomefreak> more features == more bugs but they dont relize that
[12:17] <asac> yeah mostly they are proud of their code
[12:17] <asac> and for the epiphany case they probably have the same problem upstream
[12:18] <asac> whenever they claim that mozilla has a problem their bugs get rejected with "we don't support you" ... "you are doing wrong" :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: has anyone filed that upstream with mozilla yet?
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: the crash in epiphany?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:18] <asac> actually that should be done by epiphany devs
[12:18] <asac> because only they can really argue why its not their fault
[12:19] <asac> if we post there, mozilla devs will most likely say that its epiphany who trashes memory
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah
[12:19] <asac> thats right
[12:19] <gnomefreak> so the bug sits there and doesnt get fixed? thats not good opensource policy IMHO
[12:20] <asac> noone feels responsible
[12:20] <asac> that is no policy :)
[12:20] <asac> actually i will try to talk to chpe :)
[12:20] <asac> i already had arguments with him about totem crashes
[12:20] <asac> so i am not really optimistic ... but its at least a try
[12:20] <hjmf> be hard!
[12:20] <hjmf> :)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> lets find out whats wrong with it and patch it send patch to whoevers fault and go that route maybe
[12:21] <asac> hjmf: i already tried that ;)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> way too much work on our end though
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: actually i think its a gecko problem (after all)
[12:22] <asac> problem is that epiphany uses gecko in a way, firefox doesn't use it
[12:22] <asac> so if we can reduce the testcase by just a simple gecko app
[12:22] <asac> we could boost it :)
[12:22] <asac> but that requires coding ;)
[12:23] <hjmf> that's epiphany's guys work, IMHO
[12:23] <asac> yes
[12:23] <asac> point is that they couldn't reproduce :/
[12:23] <asac> which is a valid point ... though i doubt that they really tried hard
[12:24] <hjmf> yeah
[12:25] <asac> otoh, maybe it doesn't happen on trunk (for gecko) ... which would make any serious work on this somehow wasted time
[12:27] <gnomefreak> asac: was seb or daniel able to reproduce or anyone on the desktop team?
[12:27] <asac> seb is on holiday unfortunately
[12:27] <asac> i bet they can reproduce though
[12:27] <asac> can we reproduce on gutsy?
[12:28] <asac> i only tried feisty
[12:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont think so but i will check later onc ethese updates are done
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i was gonna try on fedira last night but its not installable
[12:28] <gnomefreak> fedora even
[12:28] <gnomefreak> cant find libgecko.... useless ass pakcage-manager
[12:29] <asac> fedora is uninstallable?
[12:29] <asac> are you trying chroot?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> epiphany is uninstallable in fedora
[12:30] <gnomefreak> no there is no docs on creating a chroot for it other than using mock and iirc mock is fedora>fedora
[12:31] <hjmf> fedora has urpmf like mandrake?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[12:32] <gnomefreak> atleast they didnt when i stopped using it at FC4
[12:32] <asac> hmm
[12:32] <hjmf> it was quite useful to find packages I thought they have taken it from mdk
[12:33] <gnomefreak> but as of fedora7 alot of things have changed will be changing (not sure if released yet) but they dropped core and extras
[12:35] <gnomefreak> although the one thing so far that i liked is printer was auto detected auto configured during install
[12:35] <hjmf> that's not a valid point, if everything gets autoconfigured where is the fun?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> true
[12:36] <hjmf> that's what I dislike most from ubuntu too
[12:36] <hjmf> :)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> you still have to add printer to ubuntu though
[12:36] <hjmf> I don't know, my printer is at the debian server
[12:36] <asac> hjmf: go debian then :)
[12:36] <hjmf> which sure I had to configure
[12:37] <hjmf> asac: ^^
[12:37] <asac> but unfortunately it mostly works as well ;)
[12:37] <asac> ah :)
[12:37] <hjmf> :)
[12:37] <asac> http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/fedora/7/Fedora/i386/os/images/minstg2.img
[12:37] <asac> i am trying to use that one :)
[12:37] <asac> lets see what it is
[12:38] <gnomefreak> hjmf: use fedora it will take you an hour+ to install nvidia drivers
[12:38] <hjmf> ... interesting! ;)
[12:38] <hjmf> do you use the official rpms right?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> no
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hjmf: they have unofficial repos
[12:39] <hjmf> ah, I used the official ones for mandrake
[12:39] <hjmf> but I gess that it wasn't even rpms
[12:40] <hjmf> I left mdk a year ago
[12:40] <gnomefreak> the wiki gives you someoneelses yum.conf to use with alot of repos than install log out log in as root(still not sure how yet) config-command log out and back in again
[12:40] <gnomefreak> sounds easy :(
[12:41] <asac> ok that is too simplistic
[12:41] <asac> i managed to chroot into that
[12:41] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:41] <asac> but thats just nothing
[12:42] <hjmf> gnomefreak: do you use dualhead?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> hjmf: hell no
[12:42] <hjmf> ah, I could have send you my old mdk xorg.conf files
[12:44] <asac> gnomefreak: how does yum work?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: like shit
[12:44] <hjmf> lol
[12:44] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: i cant get it to work like it used to
[12:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i am waiting to install yumex
[12:45] <gnomefreak> its yums GUI
[12:45] <gnomefreak> yum install <package> should work but fails to work
[12:45] <gnomefreak> been looking things up as i go along
[12:46] <gnomefreak> asac: man yum and yum --help are not very helpful
[12:46] <gnomefreak> atleast at 11 pm lastnight they werent
[12:46] <asac> yeah i just gave up
[12:47] <asac> the minstg2.iso is probably not the right way to bootstrap a chroot :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i doubt it ;)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i had extra space so i said wth
[12:48] <gnomefreak> mandrake was once in a while ubuntu [12:48] <asac> ok so they don't release cd images at fedora anymore ... just DVDs
[12:49] <gnomefreak> as soon as ff opens i can tell you
[12:49] <gnomefreak> thought there were cd images (atleast for 6
[12:49] <gnomefreak> )
[12:53] <hjmf> asac just for the record
[12:53] <hjmf> [ 9   nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() 70fe212a - nsTextControlFrame::SetValue() ] 
[12:54] <hjmf> forget this ^
[12:54] <hjmf> vnc cp&paste again
[12:54] <hjmf> wait
[12:54] <hjmf> 
[12:54] <hjmf> 500 crashes found where the Stack Signature contains 'nstextcontrolframe::setvalue' and the Deployment ID looks like 'MozillaOrgFirefox2%%'
[12:55] <hjmf> from talkback
[12:56] <hjmf> the limit of the search was 500 though
[12:56] <asac> ouch
[12:57] <asac> hjmf: is that a search for firefox 2 only? or also trunk?
[12:58] <hjmf> product: All
[12:58] <hjmf> so I guess that involves trunk ??
[12:59] <asac> yeah
[12:59] <asac> who knows
[12:59] <asac> how did you find the bug?
[01:00] <asac> isn't there a bug with @...setvalue in summary?
[01:02] <asac> hjmf: anyway ... have you looked at the talkback signatures? do they look somehow similar
[01:03] <gnomefreak> asac: doe sit give you the bad match bychance?
[01:03] <hjmf> asac: yes the ones I've look in matched
[01:03] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[01:03] <asac> hjmf: cool
[01:03] <hjmf> asac: I don't remmember how/why did I find that bug
[01:03] <hjmf> but looking for other open bugs
[01:04] <hjmf> give me some minutes
[01:04] <asac> hjmf: try to find a bug with that signature in summary ... otherwise we will open one and associate the talkback id with it
[01:04] <hjmf> asac: ok
[01:04] <hjmf> looking
[01:04] <asac> maybe pick random signature elements to search
[01:04] <asac> at best from the advanced search form ... where you can only search for "summary"
[01:05] <asac> though there might be valid bugs that just have the stack in the content
[01:05] <hjmf> asac: bugzilla bug 301270
[01:05] <gnomefreak> bugzilla 301270
[01:05] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:05] <hjmf> mozilla bug 31270
[01:05] <gnomefreak> or not
[01:05] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 31270 in MailNews: Account Manager "Cannot create a new mail account via Account Wizard" [Blocker,Verified: duplicate]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31270
[01:06] <hjmf> mozilla bug 301270
[01:06] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270
[01:06] <hjmf> comparing stacks
[01:06] <asac> yeah last one looks good
[01:06] <asac> (from summary)
[01:07] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270#c1
[01:07] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New] 
[01:07] <asac> -> testcase
[01:07] <asac> ??
[01:08] <asac> might be a bit tricky to do as we don't have quick-start
[01:12] <hjmf> asac: the second stack in that bug matches our master, though is difficult to see because the way it is pasted
[01:12] <hjmf> there is a test case, looking if I can reproduce ti
[01:12] <hjmf> it
[01:12] <asac> what is the second stack ? #5?
[01:19] <hjmf> asac: yes #5
[01:20] <hjmf> asac: but this other one matches better: mozilla bug 383120
[01:20] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 383120 in Layout: Form Controls "crash on executing window.open javascript popup [@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383120
[01:21] <hjmf> I can't reproduce any of the test cases
[01:21] <asac> hmm
[01:23] <hjmf> this second bug has a test case easy to do, but nothing happens
[01:24] <asac> hmmm ... hjmf maybe you should keep a debug build at hand ... often you can see assertion on the console and get much more valuable backtraces if you get a crash
[01:24] <asac> ... and debug builds crash more easily ;) and more in the place where the bug occurs :)
[01:25] <asac> nothing to hurry :) ... but any mozilla bug triager should have a debug build ;)
[01:25] <asac> if you want to know how to do it let me know :)
[01:25] <hjmf> asac: any link so I can look at it later
[01:25] <hjmf> I'm off now for lunch
[01:26] <asac> hjmf: its just:
[01:26] <asac> 1. extract upstream source
[01:26] <asac> 2. create a .mozconfig file in top-level dir:
[01:27] <asac> . $topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfig
[01:27] <asac> ac_add_options --enable-debug
[01:27] <asac> ac_add_options --disable-optimize
[01:27] <asac> (thats the content of the .mozconfig file)
[01:27] <asac> 3. make -f client.mk build
[01:27] <asac> 4. start firefox from dist/bin directory: cd dist/bin; ./firefox
[01:27] <asac> done
[01:28] <hjmf> ok copying, I may latter ask you as I try
[01:28] <asac> sure
[01:28] <hjmf> bye then, I'll be back this evening
[01:28] <hjmf> :)
[01:28] <asac> hjmf: cu! have fun ... and good lunch et al
[01:28] <hjmf> ty
[01:33] <asac> hjmf: added those instructions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop
[01:57] <gnomefreak> !chroot
[01:57] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[01:59] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop
[01:59] <asac> i filled that page with previously unseen content :)
[02:04] <gnomefreak> looks good
[02:05] <gnomefreak> asac: why are we using upstream building instructions?
[02:06] <asac> for instance to do debug builds?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:06] <asac> which is why i started to add content to that page
[02:07] <gnomefreak> as in if we needed to find out if its ubuntu or upstream you can build upstream to test or to debug issue?
[02:08] <asac> actually our backtraces are often not really usable because they come from an optimized build
[02:08] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ok got 2 of my chroots building atm
[02:10] <gnomefreak> and some moron that wont stop pinging me :(
[02:10] <asac> pm?
[02:10] <asac> you should killfile people more deliberately ;)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> no in #ubuntu
[02:15] <asac> gnomefreak: oh you are diving the major constant flood of brabbling :)
[02:15] <gnomefreak> he has a mixed system efisty and gutsy and wonders why shits broken. hes trying to downgrade back to feisty now using pinning (doesnt work all that great) and i told him 3 times im in the middle of something. oh and hes and old debian user since warty
[02:15] <asac> how many are in the channel 1k ?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> 1106
[02:15] <asac> old debian user :) ... actually i managed to downgrade once on debian :)
[02:15] <asac> but only once
[02:16] <gnomefreak> yeah since debian warty
[02:16] <asac> gnomefreak: tell him to upgrade to feisty ... or safe home and reinstall ;)
[02:16] <asac> hehe debian woody he might mean ... but apparently he has no clue
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i told him to reinstall a bunch of times but he doesnt listen
[02:16] <asac> gnomefreak: then just ignore
[02:16] <gnomefreak> he did mean woody im sure
[02:16] <asac> he will stop at some point if you don't feed him
[02:17] <asac> :)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> he stopped for now.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrr
[02:17] <asac> hehe i pinged you
[02:17] <gnomefreak> maybe not
[02:17] <asac> :)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:18] <asac> sorry for the joke
[02:18] <asac> ;)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> its all good
[02:18] <gnomefreak> i grrrred before i looked
[02:18] <gnomefreak> he was looking for support on his issue in -devel all i wanted to do was get him out of devel for support
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i guess i can write the script to run the commands but i have to learn how to insert missing values maybe ill read /tonighttomorrow
[02:22] <gnomefreak> tonight/tomorrow
[02:23] <asac> what commands?
[02:23] <gnomefreak> i guess i would have to define $version than i can use that for the ubuntu versions
[02:23] <gnomefreak> asac: to build chroot
[02:24] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[02:24] <asac> ah you want to make setting up chroot more easily?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> yes since i seem to do it alot
[02:24] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:24] <asac> wait
[02:24] <asac> pitti had a script
[02:24] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/
[02:24] <asac> makechroot
[02:24] <asac> i guess
[02:24] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:24] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:25] <asac> it does mounting /dev at al
[02:25] <asac> for you
[02:25] <asac> automatically
[02:25] <asac> take care that it mounts your home as well :)
[02:25] <asac> so don't remove chroot without taking care of that
[02:25] <asac> ... acutally when i lost my home it was because of that script ;)
[02:26] <asac> hehe
[02:27] <asac> is it NET||abuse who bugged you?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> no
[02:27] <asac> he appears to have problems with his wifi card
[02:27] <gnomefreak> talmid was the one
[02:28] <asac> ah ... i better exit that channel again ... its just sad to see people that don't get an answer :/
[02:28] <gnomefreak> NEt||.. always has issues with his wifi
[02:28] <asac> maybe it was never resolved ;)
[02:28] <gnomefreak> maybe
[02:28] <asac> poor bastard
[02:33] <asac> what chipset has your card?
[02:33] <asac> i have to get one as well as my laptop wifi ship is completely broken
[02:33] <gnomefreak> dont know its a dlink wna 2330
[02:34] <gnomefreak> it was cheap like 20 USD
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ok im thinking the 19th
[02:40] <gnomefreak> since july 3rd is close to a US  holiday
[02:41] <gnomefreak> screw it lets do the 26th at 1800 << asac ok date and time for meeting for you?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> hjmf: Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford ^^^
[02:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i also need a list of the type of skills for memebers. example bug traigers, forum posters, ect...
[02:43] <gnomefreak> ill be posting a forum post (maybe get it stickied) about the team the archives for testing and request for skilled users (unskilled if willing to learn)
[02:44] <tsurc> does any one know how I can get openoffice docs to open in a browser window. Oppenoffice has a firefox plugin but ubuntu doesn't seem to ship it.
[02:44] <gnomefreak> tsurc: link to the plugin please
[02:45] <gnomefreak> tsurc: and i guess it would depend on what your opening if it will open in firefox
[02:45] <IdleOne> tsurc, gnomefreak is the one you want to talk to :)
[02:48] <gnomefreak> what license is it
[02:49] <tsurc> apparently so I'm told debian ship it. the plugin's called libnpsoplugin.so
[02:50] <tsurc> not sure, it part of the openoffice. but as I said the ubuntu openoffice doesn't have it in
[02:50] <tsurc> *not sure which license
[02:51] <gnomefreak> are you sure thats the plugin name?
[02:55] <gnomefreak> tsurc: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libnpsoplugin.so&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[02:56] <asac> gnomefreak: if you can draft a post ... i can post it ... i have now the Developers "emblems" in forums
[02:56] <asac> and heno told me that this would attract loads of people :)
[02:56] <asac> of course i am unsure ;)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> i have forum mods that can sticky it
[02:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess the idea is you send it to mailing lists ... and i forward to forum ... in that way you get credits ;)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> i just need to think of what to say
[02:57] <asac> ah ok
[02:57] <asac> gnomefreak: lets work on it a bit later ... i have to get something done atm
[02:57] <asac> e.g. 1h
[02:57] <gnomefreak> asac: i have alot to get done but ill be in and out all day mostly in
[02:58] <tsurc> gnomefreak: this might shed some light http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=409514&
[02:58] <gnomefreak> tsurc: if a debian package i need the link there.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> tsurc: you did notice its for windows right?
[02:59] <tsurc> gnomefreak: yep.... look down the bottom of that page though...
[03:00] <gnomefreak> tsurc: not help ful
[03:00] <gnomefreak> at all
[03:01] <gnomefreak> i need link to plugin link to debian if they package it (doesnt say anything there about it) but the homepage for plugin for linux is the main thing i need.
[03:01] <gnomefreak> this post in mozillazine is pretty much useless
[03:02] <gnomefreak> asac: have you heard of this plugin?
[03:02] <tsurc> hey I know..... that why I asked here if any one knew about a pluggin. There is one for windows that works (I've used it) and using that mozillazine page it appears there is one for linux... apparently.. but not in ubuntu.
[03:02] <asac> would like to look into it ... iff its free software
[03:03] <asac> otherwise we cannot care
[03:03] <asac> tsurc: can you figure out where this plugin is distributed from?
[03:03] <asac> that would help a lot
[03:04] <tsurc> asac: I'll try.. either way though would you let me know any info you find. even if its non-free I'd still like to know more info.
[03:10] <asac> i won't search for it :)
[03:10] <asac> i rely on others bringing info to me :)
[03:11] <asac> so i can evaluate in depth those that look good :)
[03:15] <tsurc> ok then thanks anyway
[03:16] <asac> np
[03:20] <tsurc> asac: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mozilla-openoffice.org
[03:27] <asac> tsurc: ok its build from within ooo
[03:31] <gnomefreak> i would say file a wishlist bug and let OO.o guys play with it. i guess we are not merging OO.o from debian since we dont have it
[03:36] <asac> yes ... wishlist for ooo
[03:36] <asac> ok break
[03:39] <gnomefreak> break also. tsurc can you file a bug against openoffice.org and give them what you would like included what it does some info on it and the link above than post the link to the bug in here ill mark it as wishlist and that way i can keep track of the status
[03:51] <tsurc> gnomefreak: hows the best way to file it? its not something I've done before
[03:53] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[03:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <gnomefreak> tsurc: go there and it will help you through it just make sure you add the stuff above to it.
[03:54] <tsurc> I.E. do I file it under ubuntu (Home>Ubuntu -> Bugs) or do I search for openoffice or firefox/mozilla package and file it there?
[03:55] <gnomefreak> tsurc: giv eme a few minutes ill file it you add info after that
[03:55] <tsurc> thanks
[03:56] <gnomefreak> yw
[04:01] <gnomefreak> tsurc: ok just add the rest of the info needed that i stated above to this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/119103
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119103 in openoffice.org "there is a plugin for OO.o that allows you to open stuff in firefox can we add this feature please" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 
[04:02] <gnomefreak> ok going back to what i was doing.
[04:03] <tsurc> just found this too, It doesn't look like anythings been done about it either. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mozilla-openoffice.org
[04:03] <asac> tsurc: yes
[04:07] <asac> http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html
[04:08] <asac> tsurc: there is no package in testing nor stable
[04:09] <asac> something is wrong with that package
[04:09] <asac> maybe it was too broken to ship
[04:09] <asac> or it wsa not build by default?
[04:11] <tsurc> ok, so where is the best place to find out. I'll be guessing the package maintainer of openoffice upstream.. right?
[04:15] <gnomefreak> for some reason im thinking doko is upstream as well as ubuntu (thought he was DD also but not sure)
[04:16] <asac> for what?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> OO.o
[04:16] <asac> he is DD
[04:16] <asac> but main maintainer is rene for ooo
[04:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:18] <asac> is it possible to download a complete youtube video (so i can watch offline?)
[04:18] <gnomefreak> me wonders if the .deb found https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/breezy/i386/mozilla-openoffice.org/1.9.129-0.1ubuntu4 still works
[04:18] <asac> na
[04:18] <asac> no way
[04:19] <asac> maybe you could respin the sources of that version (if you are lucky)
[04:19] <gnomefreak> asac: should beable to. look to the right under the picture it should have a download link no?
[04:19] <gnomefreak> asac: too many patch fixing in that im sure
[04:19] <asac> be able yes ... but reasonable ...no
[04:19] <asac> hehe
[04:20] <asac> gnomefreak: patching is not the problem
[04:20] <asac> you need some basic understanding how to read the code
[04:20] <gnomefreak> looking at youtube its beena  while since i was there
[04:20] <asac> otherwise you will always end up not knowin what you are doing
[04:20] <asac> at least if a merge for instance is not trivial
[04:22] <gnomefreak> true
[04:22] <gnomefreak> i dont see download link anymore
[04:22] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:24] <asac> yeah
[04:26] <asac> really unfortunate for what i try to do now :(
[04:27] <gnomefreak> there is a way im sure just not sure how
[04:28] <gnomefreak> you found tbird 2.0.0.4 rc?
[04:28] <asac> yeah was released today
[04:28] <asac> its uploaded already
[04:29] <asac> will appear when tribe-1 is out
[04:29] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw it
[04:29] <asac> so tribe testers will get it :)
[04:29] <asac> i will push bzr
[04:29] <asac> wait a sec
[04:29] <asac> ok should be avail. in a few
[04:30] <asac> you ever found out why sync took so long the other day?
[04:31] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[04:31] <gnomefreak> Lp never answered me
[04:32] <gnomefreak> I will grab it after lunch sometime
[04:41] <asac> cool
[04:41] <asac> we should update feisty as well
[04:42] <gnomefreak> i was gonna try it tonight
[04:43] <gnomefreak> it still hasnt been updated/synced in LP yet
[04:50] <asac> hmm
[04:50] <asac> thats wierd
[04:50] <asac> i can play youtube video even without ffmpeg gstream plugin installed
[04:50] <asac> that can't be right
[04:51] <gnomefreak> asac: youtube == flash
[04:51] <gnomefreak> thats all you should need
[04:51] <gnomefreak> but you are on 64 so not sure
[04:52] <gnomefreak> ok gone for real this time
[04:52] <asac> thats plain crazy
[04:52] <asac> gnomefreak: yes :)
[04:52] <asac> i know about that fact
[04:53] <asac> i am working on gnash :)
[04:53] <asac> and gnash should need codecs to play those files
[04:53] <gnomefreak> yuck
[04:53] <asac> but it doesn't :)
[04:53] <asac> i can plays without ffmpeg libs
[04:54] <asac> the idea is to use gstreamer as backend
[04:54] <asac> and then install ffmpeg codecs on demand
[05:28] <hjmf> downloading and building debug build :)
[05:29] <hjmf> gnomefreak:  26th at 1800 july? june?
[05:29] <hjmf> both are ok for me
[05:33] <asac> hjmf: you can use the CVS instructions as well :)
[05:33] <asac> instead of downloading source tarball
[05:34] <asac> for triage it probably makes most sense to pull MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH
[05:36] <asac> yeah i finaly can get to get code section i want to work on :)
[05:36] <asac> in gnash ;)
[05:38] <hjmf> asac: yes, I'm following your instructions at the wiki :)
[05:40] <asac> let me know if something doesn't work
[05:41] <asac> i just typed from out of my head :)
[05:42] <hjmf> asac: configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required
[05:42] <hjmf> fixing
[05:42] <hjmf> well, indeed it was already:
[05:43] <hjmf> mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser
[05:43] <hjmf> ac_add_options --enable-application=browser
[05:44] <hjmf> never mind, noticed what failed
[05:44] <hjmf> :)
[05:46] <asac> hjmf: you can add MOZ_CO_PROJECT to .mozconfig ... or pass at command line
[05:46] <asac> like what i documented
[05:46] <asac> and at top of the .mozconfig we include a default mozconfig for application "browser"
[05:47] <hjmf> asac: yes, already noticed, just my fault :P
[05:47] <asac> of course :-P
[05:48] <hjmf> right :)
[05:50] <asac> anyone ever has seen the "auto-codec-install" feature working in totem?
[05:51] <asac> e.g. you don't have a codec installed ... open a video and you are getting an installation dialog or something?
[05:51] <asac> e.g. to install gstreamer-plugins-ugly for instance :)
[05:53] <hjmf> I don't use totem, but I remember something like that showing up when we tried the apple video issue. A popup menu letting you to choose which gstreamer wanted to use
[05:53] <hjmf> in that time I had the one from ubuntu and another built myself with ipod stuff enabled
[05:53] <hjmf> acc or aac codecs
[05:54] <asac> hmm
[05:54] <asac> interesting ... can you make a screenshot? my totem doesn't start here atm :-P
[05:55] <hjmf> will try
[05:55] <asac> nothing to hurry ... but since i want to add that feature to gnash ... it would be helpful if could at least see it once somewhere :)
[05:57] <asac> unless it just works now :)
[05:58] <asac> wow
[05:58] <asac> it just works :)
[05:58] <asac> hehe
[05:59] <asac> how smart i am ;)
[05:59] <asac> actually it doesn't work perfectly, yet ... but i would like to see the screenshot before I invest the time to make it work perfectly.
[06:00] <hjmf> asac: got the screenshots
[06:00] <asac> cool ... unfortunately the package could not be found ;)
[06:00] <asac> but that is a different thing!!
[06:02] <hjmf> any place to post them so you can view them
[06:02] <hjmf> maybe I email you?
[06:03] <asac> hjmf: dunno
[06:03] <asac> there are image hosting services
[06:03] <asac> if you don't have a mirror
[06:03] <asac> mail is ok as well :)
[06:04] <asac> imageshack.us
[06:04] <asac> ?
[06:04] <asac> http://www.imageshack.us/
[06:04] <asac> its like pastebin  for images ;)
[06:10] <asac> too bad that sudo doesn't work in chroot
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^ ... you got it working, right?
[06:11] <hjmf> asac: http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazognomecodecinsfx3.png
[06:11] <hjmf> asac: http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazoaadiryquitarard2.png
[06:11] <asac> ah nvm
[06:11] <asac> i have no password set :)
[06:11] <asac> hjmf:
[06:11] <asac> thx
[06:11] <hjmf> yw
[06:11] <asac> what happens next?
[06:11] <asac> ah wait ;)
[06:11] <asac> 2nd image not yet loadewd
[06:12] <hjmf> it's quite slow :/
[06:12] <asac> yeah
[06:12] <asac> damn
[06:12] <asac> i wanna see ;)
[06:12] <asac> the second
[06:13] <asac> ah ok
[06:13] <asac> hjmf: is that a standalong windo
[06:13] <asac> w
[06:13] <asac> or is the dialog embedded in totem?
[06:13] <asac> i just wonder because the "missing codec" api allows to set an Xid of the window that invokes it
[06:14] <asac> and api claims:
[06:14] <asac> "This function is for X11-based applications (such as most Gtk/Qt applications on linux/unix) only. You can use it to tell the external the XID of your main application window, so the installer can make its own window transient to your application windonw during the installation.
[06:14] <asac> "!
[06:15] <asac> hjmf: ^^^ do you see something like that?
[06:16] <hjmf> totem http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-genius_480x376.mov
[06:16] <hjmf> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2
[06:16] <hjmf> ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer.net|0.10|totem|Decodificador MPEG-4 AAC|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true (Decodificador MPEG-4 AAC)
[06:18] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[06:18] <asac> he? ... so it doesn't work for you?
[06:19] <hjmf> yes it works, just showing how it works
[06:20] <hjmf> then the search for codec window starts
[06:21] <asac> ah ... is the installer window transient with totem
[06:21] <asac> or just an independent window?
[06:21] <hjmf> independent
[06:22] <hjmf> you can close totem and the window remains open
[06:23] <hjmf> proccess: /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gnome-codec-install --transient-fo...
[06:25] <hjmf> hjmf      6886  0.1  1.6  60072 16896 pts/3    S    18:20   0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gnome-codec-install --transient-for=65011716 gstreamer.net|0.10|totem|Decodificador MPEG-4 AAC|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true
[06:25] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[06:25] <asac> ah ok
[06:25] <hjmf> asac: I insist copy and paste in vnc is a hell :(
[06:25] <hjmf> :)
[06:25] <asac> maybe gnome-app-install is not capable to squeeze itself into a Xid :)
[06:25] <asac> hjmf: why do you use vnc?
[06:26] <asac> chroot?
[06:26] <hjmf> no, the irc client is in my head-less debian server
[06:26] <hjmf> to be up 24/7
[06:27] <asac> ah
[06:27] <asac> right
[06:27] <hjmf> I know I can launch it from my desktop
[06:27] <asac> i use irssi in screen :)
[06:27] <asac> that works pretty well
[06:27] <hjmf> actually I'm using xchat
[06:28] <asac> yeah ... otherwise you wouldn't need vnc ;)
[06:28] <hjmf> but maybe it is worth a try
[06:28] <hjmf> yea
[06:28] <asac> i switched from GUI clients because of that
[06:28] <hjmf> h
[06:28] <asac> and my gateway is a low-end computer
[06:28] <asac> 10 years old
[06:28] <hjmf> mine too
[06:28] <asac> so i don't want to use it for something else like mail server , screen server
[06:28] <asac> maybe webserver
[06:28] <hjmf> 1996 166Mhz
[06:28] <asac> and firewall
[06:28] <asac> oh
[06:28] <asac> mine is better :)
[06:28] <asac> 350
[06:28] <asac> ;)
[06:29] <hjmf> oooh!
[06:29] <hjmf> :;)
[06:29] <asac> but i think it must have been the same year somehow
[06:29] <asac> maybe 1997?
[06:29] <asac> i dunno
[06:29] <asac> its always running ... never had a failure
[06:29] <asac> no disk crash ... nothing
[06:29] <hjmf> mine is a siemens from that date and never failed me :)
[06:29] <asac> yeah
[06:29] <asac> mine as well ;)
[06:29] <asac> siemens Xpert
[06:30] <asac> ;)
[06:30] <asac> or something like that
[06:30] <asac> what a coincident :)
[06:30] <asac> @schedule Berlin
[06:30] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 07 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[06:30] <hjmf> same here
[06:30] <asac> i hate meetings at that time
[06:30] <asac> its just unreasonable
[06:31] <hjmf> that time is our dinner time in spain, dunno in germany
[06:31] <hjmf> not that bad
[06:31] <hjmf> :)
[06:32] <asac> yeah ... its time for anything ... but please not work :)
[06:32] <hjmf> lol
[06:32] <asac> work would even be fine ... but meeting ;)
[06:36] <asac> hjmf: what happens if you install that plugin?
[06:36] <asac> i mean does the video automatically resume?
[06:36] <asac> or do you need to restart manually?
[06:36] <hjmf> didnt try...
[06:37] <hjmf> asac: the video resumes
[06:37] <hjmf> quite fluent
[06:38] <hjmf> cool: build finished, starting new firefox...
[06:39] <hjmf> BonEcho/2.0.0.5pre
[06:42] <hjmf> quite verbose output :)
[06:44] <asac> yeah .... thats the idea for gnash as well
[06:44] <asac> lets see how easy i can hack this
[06:44] <asac> without extending everything
[06:44] <hjmf> asac: I'm off for a while
[06:44] <hjmf> have fun
[06:48] <asac> thanks
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: the 19th works for me. i probably wouldn't be in town the 3rd. afaik, i'm traveling that day
[07:34] <asac> jau ... works like a charm i would say
[07:38] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash_missing_codec_v0001-filtered.patch
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there JenFraggle
[10:19] <gnomefreak> asac:  sudo works in all my chroots (ubuntu ones
[10:19] <gnomefreak> )_
[10:19] <asac> yeah i fixed it :)
[10:19] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:19] <asac> i never gave my user a passwd
[10:19] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:19] <asac> btw, meeting atm ;)
[10:19] <gnomefreak> what is last build thunbird in my repo?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> asac: ah yes i didnt see that
[10:20] <asac> no idea ... in which repo?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> MT feisty
[10:20] <asac> i pushed to bzr .4~rc1-0ubuntu1
[10:20] <asac> you can bake a mt release out of it
[10:20] <gnomefreak> i need to figure out version to use
[10:20] <asac> we could wait for final release as well though
[10:20] <asac> your decision
[10:21] <asac> -0ubuntu0.mt1
[10:21] <gnomefreak> 2.0.0.0-0ubuntu3~.mt1
[10:21] <asac> yeah ... new one is current bzr version ... but change packag revision like above
[10:22] <gnomefreak> 2.0.0.4~rc1-0ubuntu1.mt1?
[10:22] <gnomefreak> that wont work
[10:25] <asac> n look above :)
[10:25] <asac> 2.0.0.4~rc1-0ubuntu0.mt1
[10:25] <gnomefreak> ah 2.0.0.4-0ubuntu0.mt
[10:25] <asac> right
[10:25] <gnomefreak> with rc
[10:25] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:25] <asac> yes
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing source will build a little later tonight
[10:46] <asac> fine gnomefreak you can use the orig.tar.gz from gutsy if you want
[10:46] <asac> or as usual :)
[10:46] <asac> but then you should use a different upstream version:
[10:46] <gnomefreak> oh i didnt think of that
[10:47] <asac> 2.0.0.4~rc1~mt-0ubuntu0.mt1
[10:47] <asac> unless you orig.tar.gz ball has an exact md5sum match
[10:47] <gnomefreak> eh its almost done
[10:52] <asac> just take care tat you eithe rchange tarball version or have the same md5sum :)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> thought update-orig created right version of orig.tar?
[10:57] <asac> done
[10:57] <gnomefreak> meeting?
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: problem is that you need the same tarball
[10:58] <asac> or a version lower than the gutsy one
[10:58] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:58] <asac> it doesn't matter what update-orig creates
[10:58] <gnomefreak> do you have md5 of yours?
[10:58] <asac> no :)
[10:58] <asac> they are in launchpad
[10:58] <gnomefreak> they are?
[10:58] <asac> i guess chances are low
[10:58] <asac> that they will match
[10:58] <gnomefreak> than i will have to grab one from LP
[10:59] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8010039/thunderbird_2.0.0.4%7Erc1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:59] <asac> there should be md5
[10:59] <asac> in the .dsc
[11:00] <gnomefreak> neither for the source tar
[11:00] <gnomefreak> the orig.tar and diff md5s
[11:01] <asac> yes
[11:01] <asac> the orig.tar is what matters
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: at best just use the one in gutsy
[11:01] <asac> everything else is just wasted efford
[11:01] <asac> if you have prepared your source tree
[11:01] <asac> you just need to put the orig.tar.gz next to it
[11:01] <asac> should work
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i have the source there
[11:02] <gnomefreak> problem
[11:03] <gnomefreak> cant get source from gutsy.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> doing dist-upgrade to make sure
[11:06] <gnomefreak> ha i found dsource incase it didnt get pushed
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i have 29 updates so something did
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ummmmmm im so lost
[11:13] <gnomefreak> etch is processing iceape 1.0.9
[11:14] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2 is latest.
[11:15] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 118696 maybe due to ati driver can you look at it
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118696 in firefox "Return from fullscreen disables minimize, maximize and window close buttons." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118696
[11:19] <gnomefreak> asac: also how do i get from http://svn.debian.org/ to the iceape part of svn
[11:19] <asac> pkg-mozilla
[11:19] <asac> then find your way down the tree
[11:19] <asac> don't we have a bzr import for that ?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ok ty that was the one i neededd
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: i think we dropped that
[11:22] <asac> we dropped what?
[11:22] <asac> the bzr tree?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> when we first started building iceape we used debian dir from svn but we stopped that once branch was made
[11:23] <gnomefreak> he hasnt built it anyway
[11:23] <asac> actually we tried to keep the sftp://asac@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/iceape/debian-1.1.x/
[11:23] <gnomefreak> he just finished 1.0.9
[11:23] <asac> as a sync from sftp://asac@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/iceape/debian-1.1.x/
[11:24] <asac> gnomefreak: 1.0.9 was a security update
[11:24] <asac> for etch
[11:24] <gnomefreak> yes i know
[11:24] <asac> the unstable version should be ahead
[11:24] <asac> did you do anything to the debian-1.1.x ?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> 1.0.9 was like firefox 1.5.0.12
[11:24] <gnomefreak> no
[11:24] <asac> ok ... let me sync it
[11:24] <asac> you have to merge from there to your tree then
[11:24] <gnomefreak> my tree is more up to date iircv
[11:24] <gnomefreak> -v
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: more up to date ... like: you have your own changes
[11:25] <asac> that is totally valid
[11:25] <asac> but still it should be derived from debian-1.1.x tree
[11:25] <asac> which eases the pain to merge new changes done by debien in your tree
[11:25] <gnomefreak> how do i merge it than
[11:25] <asac> ok debian-1.1.x is up to date
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: you should have initially pulled from that branch
[11:26] <asac> then you just need to run bzr merge
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i pull from my branch
[11:26] <asac> it doesn't matter
[11:26] <asac> usually you don't need to pull from your branch
[11:26] <gnomefreak> the debian branch screwed me up last time with bzr why would i want to go through that again
[11:26] <asac> because you have all the changes on your disk already
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:27] <asac> just merge regularaly from the debian-1.1.x brnahc
[11:27] <asac> you will figure out how
[11:27] <gnomefreak> so once i grab my branch merge using debian branch
[11:27] <gnomefreak>  locally
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[11:27] <asac> and if there are changes ... and you merged them
[11:27] <asac> push to your branch
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dopnt merge my branch and debian branch
[11:27] <asac> then never pull from your branch again
[11:27] <asac> because there is no need to
[11:27] <asac> right?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> right
[11:28] <gnomefreak> well i have to
[11:28] <asac> good
[11:28] <gnomefreak> since i dont have it atm
[11:28] <asac> no you don't need to
[11:28] <asac> yeah
[11:28] <asac> but in general you don't need to
[11:28] <gnomefreak> right
[11:28] <asac> because your branch in lp ... is your local branch published ;)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> bzr merge debian1.1.x....
[11:28] <asac> by coincident it works as a backup :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i see
[11:28] <asac> bzr merge http://..../debian-1.1.x
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: actually the merge should not bring anything new to you (unless you didn't merge for a long time)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i think i have all those changes
[11:43] <gnomefreak> im gonna berge it anyway
[11:43] <gnomefreak> merge
[11:43] <asac> gnomefreak: its good to try a merge
[11:43] <asac> just to see that your branch is up to date
[11:43] <gnomefreak> and just add my changes to it and once i get it built ill push to my branch as update
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nothing much i can do until mike finishes 1.1.2
[11:45] <gnomefreak> since its not playing nice
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: did you happen to not commit all changes?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i cant merge from it
[11:55] <asac> what is the problem?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> that was my fault
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i backed up my debian dir and didnt move it
[11:56] <gnomefreak> makes adding my changes back easier :)
[11:56] <gnomefreak> and yes my branch is up to date
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: that makes no sense ... you have a branch to keep your changes
[12:00] <asac> e.g. in future ... no need to backup changes
[12:00] <asac> :)
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: did you start your branch from scratch?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> asac: doesnt merging from debian1.1.x overwrite my debian dir?
[12:01] <asac> if you started from scratch without branching from debian-1.1.x at the beginning then you are lost
[12:01] <asac> no
[12:01] <asac> why should it
[12:01] <asac> if your changes are committed
[12:01] <asac> you merge in new changes
[12:01] <asac> but yours are still there
[12:02] <gnomefreak> because my changes are not in debian1.1.x
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: thats why you have your private branch
[12:02] <asac> e.g. you carry changes that are not in debian-1.1.x
[12:02] <asac> but debian-1.1.x is your base :)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:03] <gnomefreak> oh you dont have bean count and i still do
[12:05] <asac> in forums?
[12:05] <asac> yeah ... i am "developer" :-P
[12:05] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:05] <asac> the idea is to hide that developers don't post much in there i guess :)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> possibly
[12:17] <asac> night!
[12:17] <gnomefreak> night
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: i am back for a few seconds :)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:21] <asac> what kind of tasks did you have in mind for the forum announcement?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> here i got something for you from #ubuntu
[12:22] <asac> i added a bug for a master bug maintainer
[12:22] <asac> if you have other ideas ... feel free to add them as bugs
[12:22] <gnomefreak> 18:20 <        rbs-tito > misfit: Firefox should download and install Flash  automatically
[12:22] <asac> yeah ... rejected
[12:22] <asac> its not our problem :)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i would like to get people to join with some knowledge in areas
[12:22] <asac> actually it will improve :)
[12:23] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... we need to define those areas
[12:23] <gnomefreak> bugs #1
[12:23] <asac> which i started with the "master bug maintainer" ... which is definitly not a beginner job
[12:23] <asac> at best we would end up with areas where we can have multiple people that are beginners and don't have time to do 24/7 service :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> coding and iirc that is what your bug is about
[12:23] <asac> its not about coding :)
[12:24] <asac> my specs are about coding
[12:24] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:24] <asac> my bug is about taking care for master bugs ... e.g. that they are really processed
[12:24] <asac> , maybe even rejected
[12:24] <asac> so that our master bug lists stays managable
[12:24] <gnomefreak> good idea
[12:24] <asac> ... and eactually do upstream communication on them ... it requires a good understanding though
[12:24] <gnomefreak> we need beginner bug traigers as well as advanced
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... lets find well defined tasks for beginners
[12:25] <asac> as those will be more easy to attract i guess :)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> to start with unconfirmed untraiged
[12:26] <gnomefreak> if i get done helping a freind on sat. i will get to bugs. im only gonna have win pc and feisty laptop
[12:26] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :) thats good ... actually on the long run i would like to push more initial triaging to QA team
[12:26] <gnomefreak> we can use people for falsh extentions ect...
[12:26] <asac> gnomefreak: do we have other tasks?
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: personally i think we need a reliable QA team
[12:27] <gnomefreak> flash even. daniel is gonna be gone for a year or so traveling
[12:27] <asac> e.g. 10 testers that will test dapper security releases before we send it out
[12:27] <asac> daniel?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> we have no QA team really
[12:27] <gnomefreak> crimsun
[12:27] <asac> ah
[12:27] <gnomefreak> he was main flash guy as i understood it
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: question is: do we want our own QA team(s)
[12:27] <Admiral_Chicago> daniel chen..