[12:35] <superm1> tgm4883, did you want to take over any of these specs at all that we are preparing?
[12:36] <tgm4883> Not yet, I have west coast finals comming up these next 2 weeks so I don't want to commit to something that im not prepared to complete
[12:36] <superm1> K.
[12:36] <tgm4883> then i should be free
[12:37] <superm1> didnt want to leave you out :)
[12:37] <tgm4883> thanks
[12:37] <superm1> anyone know what ever happened to bendailey?
[12:37] <tgm4883> !seen bendailey
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen bendailey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <superm1> he wanted to help out, and such, but hasnt been around for ages
[12:38] <superm1> i know majoridiot is swamped in work stuff with a big case lately
[12:40] <DaveMorris> I've been seeing him in here whilst you've been sleeping superm1
[12:41] <superm1> man i'm off IRC for like 6 hours a day, and of course thats when he stops in
[12:42] <superm1> well if you see him around again, ask him if he is interested on taking up something and committing to a few weeks
[12:42] <superm1> we've to a variety of specs that are going to need to be filled
[12:42] <superm1> i'll file some more later this evening
[12:51] <Daviey> nice.... site is suddenly really responsive
[12:53] <superm1> just from pointing to that mirro?
[12:53] <Daviey> yep
[12:53] <superm1> see the funny thing
[12:53] <superm1> last night before i went to bed
[12:53] <superm1> i was talking to imbrandon
[12:53] <superm1> and he mentioned that he moved his other server to lighttpd
[12:54] <superm1> and i said that we should hold off moving to it until needing it
[12:54] <Daviey> heh
[12:54] <Daviey> not sure that is the big issue...  think it was bandwidth!
[12:54] <DaveMorris> hope the other guy like having his server hammered
[12:54] <DaveMorris> it was bandwidth
[12:54] <DaveMorris> the iso's where making the site unusable
[12:55] <Daviey> if the new mirror starts respinding slowly, i'll move it back
[12:55] <superm1> i wish the logs would finish parsing
[12:55] <DaveMorris> I suggest we have 2 different machines, 1 with the iso's on, running a bit torrent tracker as well, the other with the site and apt repo's
[12:56] <Daviey> hmm
[12:57] <superm1> well next time we'll have time to get us all a copy
[12:57] <superm1> and seeding too
[12:57] <superm1> we can probably run the tracker right from there
[12:57] <DaveMorris> we seeding the amd64 yet?
[12:57] <Daviey> well announce *only* torrent until hype goes
[12:58] <Daviey> DaveMorris: is there a need to seed amd54?
[12:58] <Daviey> demand is quite low imho
[12:58] <superm1> DaveMorris, but that image doesnt have ubiquity and usplash i thought?
[12:58] <tgm4883> I dont even have the amd64 iso
[12:58] <DaveMorris> true, but its only an alpha, ppl are grabbing it to have a look
[12:58] <superm1> i wget'ed it to mythbuntu.org but its just sitting in my home directory
[12:59] <DaveMorris> 763 diggs now
[01:00] <tgm4883> question, since we release with ubuntu releases are we trying to also release with the tribe releases?
[01:01] <superm1> "No LIRC support? What's the point then? Getting the remote and IR blaster functions working is easily the most difficult part of setting up MythTV, involving compiling kernel modules and manually editing a text file to map all the remote buttons. If the Mytbuntu team hasn't automated the process, as the LinuxMCE guys did, then what's the difference between this release and just installing Feisty and then getting the MythTV packages throu
[01:01] <superm1> gh Synaptic?"
[01:01] <superm1> the linuxmce guys have a lirc mapper??
[01:01] <DaveMorris> does the poster not reliase its only an alpha
[01:01] <tgm4883> he was reminded
[01:02] <Daviey> nice to have your efforts bashed
[01:02] <tgm4883> my favorite is "These guys should focus on helping the xbmc linux port."
[01:03] <superm1> haha
[01:03] <superm1> yea i saw that one too
[01:03] <tgm4883> I gave that a thumbs down
[01:04] <DaveMorris> >>* The standalone backend advanced options remove too much and take out the backend too!
[01:04] <DaveMorris> what do they mean there?
[01:04] <superm1> thats in the known issues
[01:04] <superm1> for that ubiquity biuld
[01:04] <superm1> its hackishly solved in the current ubiquity build
[01:04] <DaveMorris> its fixed in the amd64 one
[01:04] <superm1> DaveMorris, assuming you can get away without a 64 bit ubiquity build :)
[01:05] <tgm4883> where is the new amd64 iso, i'll throw it up in the vm
[01:05] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/
[01:05] <superm1> for now
[01:05] <DaveMorris> "I get that it's an alpha. I don't get why they'd bother releasing something that essentially does nothing. They've apparently built a GUI that automates a process that can be performed with less than ten terminal commands."
[01:06] <DaveMorris> we didn't digg it
[01:06] <DaveMorris> there isn't even a digg it button with the rss feed
[01:06] <superm1> a few guys even blogged it too
[01:06] <Daviey> DaveMorris: but there is on the site
[01:06] <DaveMorris> "I hope Mythbuntu's method of setting up the hard drives is a far cry better than Knoppmyth's installer." how does the knoopix one do it?
[01:06] <tgm4883> ok i'll have it in 10 minutes.  Is there an md5sum DaveMorris?
[01:07] <superm1> DaveMorris, dunno.  Something ncurses i'd think
[01:07] <superm1> tgm4883, refresh
[01:07] <Daviey> DaveMorris: hda1 =  / hda3 =  /myth   IIRC
[01:07] <superm1> i put that there too
[01:07] <Daviey> quite nice imho
[01:07] <DaveMorris> yeah superm1 never grabbed it http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/mythbuntu/
[01:07] <superm1> yes i did
[01:07] <tgm4883> ha
[01:07] <tgm4883> thanks
[01:07] <superm1> DaveMorris, :)
[01:07] <superm1> Hey majoridiot made it in
[01:07] <superm1> hows it going?
[01:07] <tgm4883> hi majoridiot
[01:07] <DaveMorris> can we ask if the user if they have 2 hard drvies installed, and make the larger drive for recordings
[01:07] <majoridiot> nuts.
[01:08] <DaveMorris> I'd recommend using 2 drivers for users
[01:08] <majoridiot> have a few so i thought i'd drop in
[01:08] <DaveMorris> as myth seems to burn through hard drives
[01:08] <superm1> DaveMorris, the partitioner is going to be a huge mess.....
[01:08] <superm1> i dont have any idea how its going to be done
[01:08] <superm1> right now its just using standard ubuntu partitioner
[01:08] <superm1> majoridiot, shoot
[01:08] <majoridiot> *bang*
[01:09] <superm1> somehow i misread your statement. i  thought you said you had a few ideas
[01:09] <superm1> no a few moments
[01:09] <majoridiot> ah lol
[01:10] <Daviey> i read it the same as you superm1 :)
[01:10] <majoridiot> always have ideas... just not the time to do anything with them :S
[01:10] <superm1> so to make up for that.  think of a few ideas that we should write more specs
[01:10] <DaveMorris> I read as I've had a few ie drinks
[01:10] <superm1> lol
[01:10] <superm1> funny how we all interpreted that
[01:10] <majoridiot> DaveMorris- i wish.
[01:10] <superm1> must say somtehing about whats on all our minds' or something
[01:11] <Daviey> $ sudo apt-get install beer
[01:11] <DaveMorris> superm1: blue print link, I will book mark it
[01:11] <Daviey> exec -o sudo apt-get install beer
[01:11] <tgm4883> :(
[01:11] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[01:11] <tgm4883> E: Couldn't find package beer
[01:11] <superm1> that is for mythbuntu
[01:11] <superm1> and this is the mythtv one
[01:11] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/
[01:12] <DaveMorris> whats https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ then?
[01:12] <Daviey> ~mythbuntu is the team
[01:12] <superm1> ^ what he said
[01:12] <Daviey> and mythbuntu is the project IIRC
[01:12] <tgm4883> ah that reminds me
[01:13] <tgm4883> what did we find out about the perl bindings superm1?
[01:13] <superm1> tgm4883, they are supported on trunk, and gardengnome is going to add them to his trunk packaging
[01:13] <superm1> nothing about them working on -fixes
[01:13] <tgm4883> ah
[01:13] <tgm4883> so it should work with the alpha?
[01:13] <superm1> but once he adds them to trunk packaging, i'll poke some more
[01:13] <superm1> well the alpha is still using -fixes
[01:13] <superm1> just a newer -fixes
[01:14] <tgm4883> ok
[01:14] <superm1> unless 0.21 is released
[01:14] <superm1> which gardengnome indicated that Chutt wants to release it
[01:14] <superm1> that its been a whlie
[01:14] <Daviey> hmm - leechers bleeding off
[01:14] <superm1> alright so majoridiot if there was something you really wanted to see on mythbuntu, what is it?
[01:15] <superm1> what would make it shine above the rest
[01:15] <superm1> other than its done by us of course
[01:16] <majoridiot> sec... phone :(
[01:16] <DaveMorris> auto dectedtion of shared music/films over limewire like rhythbox does
[01:17] <DaveMorris> auto dection of nfs which can be mounted
[01:17] <superm1> Can NFS shares be probed?
[01:17] <superm1> I think they actually can
[01:17] <superm1> well that does bring another idea i was considering up though
[01:17] <superm1> setting up samba during install
[01:18] <superm1> with some sane shares
[01:18] <superm1> and sane permissions
[01:18] <DaveMorris> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/partitioner
[01:19] <superm1> Looks great DaveMorris
[01:19] <DaveMorris> we could prehaps have a small meta package for your desktop, which installs the nfs stuff and sorts out the exporting so your frontend/backends can find it
[01:19] <majoridiot> so much for this... gotta take a conf. call for work :(
[01:20] <majoridiot> i'll be back asap
[01:20] <superm1> cu majoridiot
[01:20] <majoridiot> biab
[01:20] <superm1> i can definately forsee that fitting into Daviey 's installer then too
[01:20] <superm1> *control centre
[01:20] <superm1> he does
[01:20] <DaveMorris> superm1: daviey's installer is for the backends
[01:21] <DaveMorris> atm my desktop shares my music via nfs to my mythfrontend
[01:21] <superm1> well how about this then?
[01:21] <superm1> that control centre
[01:21] <DaveMorris> so it'll be a package which goes on a non myth box
[01:21] <superm1> can detect the type of install you have
[01:21] <superm1> Then something that is gnomeish
[01:21] <superm1> dont they have something like that already
[01:22] <superm1> in gnome to export nfs shares?
[01:22] <DaveMorris> do they?
[01:22] <superm1> right click a folder
[01:22] <superm1> i swear they do
[01:22] <tgm4883> I had a thought that recently came to me in a forum thread
[01:22] <superm1> yea it offers to setup nfs or samba
[01:22] <superm1> for you when you do that
[01:23] <superm1> tgm4883, shoot
[01:23] <DaveMorris> superm1: It needs nfs or smba installed
[01:23] <tgm4883> although i haven't even set it up so I dont know if it works or now
[01:23] <tgm4883> not
[01:23] <DaveMorris> mine only offers to share via nfs
[01:23] <superm1> DaveMorris, but does install them for you during that gui
[01:23] <superm1> oh mine offers to install services for both
[01:23] <superm1> and then go from there
[01:24] <Daviey> Hmm.. if you can autoprobe a backend nfs/samba that would be awesome
[01:24] <superm1> You can probe for shares
[01:24] <Daviey> could store mysql.txt
[01:24] <superm1> if you have the right utils installed
[01:24] <tgm4883> and perhaps it already works or is implemented, but what about UPnP devices being able to connect to the mythbackend (specifically the xbox 360)
[01:24] <superm1> ooh export the mysql.txt
[01:24] <superm1> on the backend
[01:24] <superm1> tgm4883, that is in the works
[01:25] <tgm4883> ah
[01:25] <Daviey> superm1: that's a great idea, why didn't i think of that <grin>
[01:25] <superm1> trunk has much improved support for it
[01:25] <superm1> Daviey, get a spec on launchpad
[01:25] <superm1> for it
[01:25] <Daviey> heh
[01:25] <tgm4883> i didn't even know you could connect to a linux box from the 360 until the other day
[01:26] <Daviey> who made https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/firmware-finder ?
[01:26] <superm1> Me
[01:26] <Daviey> cool
[01:26] <superm1> i've got a buddy that might do it, and then it will be a button in your control centre
[01:27] <Daviey> oh, why have we got 'Answers' switched off?
[01:27] <Daviey> that's great superm1, maybe we an wean you from the abuse of lanugae that is English (USA)
[01:27] <DaveMorris> hmm, is the control center gonna run on the backend?
[01:27] <superm1> Daviey, we'll have a forums section opened up eventually on ubuntuforums
[01:28] <DaveMorris> or be an app you can install on any box to control the backend
[01:28] <DaveMorris> or web page backend control
[01:28] <superm1> the way I understood it, it will be on any mythbuntu box
[01:29] <superm1> and it will configure things commonly done
[01:29] <superm1> like lirc
[01:29] <superm1> and calling mythtv-setup
[01:29] <superm1> and opening nvidia or ati control panels
[01:29] <DaveMorris> but a frontend won't have mythtv-setup ;)
[01:29] <superm1> so it will have to find a way to figure out what kind of box its on
[01:29] <superm1> once the meta is done
[01:30] <superm1> debconf can store that info
[01:30] <superm1> its stored in ubiquity atm
[01:31] <superm1> during nvidia driver install, we will have to make sure xvmc is preconfigured
[01:32] <superm1> (once driver install is figured out of course)
[01:32] <DaveMorris> what would be really nice is if you had a big NAS and a smaller mythbox.  It records a show, then once it's done, it moves the file to the NAS, and symblinks to it.
[01:32] <superm1> but thats a very corner setup
[01:32] <superm1> for someone to have that
[01:33] <DaveMorris> corner setup ?
[01:33] <superm1> corner case setup
[01:33] <superm1> like a particular setup that not a lot of users will necessarily have
[01:33] <DaveMorris> I don't know the term
[01:33] <DaveMorris> yes, but we could also offer it as a setup
[01:33] <superm1> but they need to have a NAS then
[01:34] <DaveMorris> or just a another box with a load of disks
[01:34] <DaveMorris> and nfs
[01:34] <superm1> why not just record directly over the network to the alternate box then?
[01:34] <DaveMorris> would have to be with 0.21 and muliple storage locations though
[01:34] <DaveMorris> superm1: wasn't sure if it'd be quick enough
[01:35] <superm1> this whole looming 0.21 thing is going to be the bane of our existance i think
[01:35] <superm1> with our luck it will come out like 5 days after our release
[01:36] <DaveMorris> I jsut thought of it as a advanced option
[01:36] <superm1> right
[01:36] <DaveMorris> some people can easily do the basic stuff, and wanna be 'cool' by having the harder stuff
[01:37] <DaveMorris> these 'cool' people can normally afford the extra hardware
[01:37] <tgm4883> would 5 days after our release be better or worse than 5 days before?
[01:37] <superm1> haha
[01:37] <superm1> i think so
[01:37] <superm1> because 5 days before, we have time to fix it
[01:37] <DaveMorris> anyway I need to sleep
[01:37] <superm1> 5 days after, that means that we have to go back
[01:37] <superm1> and fix it
[01:37] <superm1> after people downloaded it a lot
[01:37] <superm1> night DaveMorris
[01:38] <tgm4883> ah we would go back and implement it
[01:38] <DaveMorris> I thnink Daviey has already sneek off
[01:38] <superm1> that Daviey character
[01:38] <superm1> can we really trust him....... ;)
[01:39] <tgm4883> hmm, any chance of putting our logo on the login screen?
[01:40] <tgm4883> hmm, i think there is something wrong with the 64-bit iso
[01:40] <DaveMorris> whys that?
[01:40] <tgm4883> i seem to be stuck in a loop
[01:40] <superm1> tgm4883, i've got that figured out already
[01:40] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397
[01:41] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 you have amd64 then?
[01:41] <tgm4883> yea
[01:41] <DaveMorris> I'll test it tomorrow at work, but where is the loop stuck then?
[01:41] <superm1> DaveMorris, if you rebuild, you can compare the log to this one
[01:41] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/buildlog
[01:41] <superm1> that is the last build that was done on pegasus
[01:42] <superm1> my roomate has a collection of ppc boxes.  i might try to snag one of those
[01:43] <superm1> and get a ppc build made too
[01:43] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 where does it get stuck?
[01:44] <tgm4883> after you reboot right after installing, it goes into the myth setup for language and database configuration.  After the second page of database configuration it restarts the window manager and sticks you right back into the language chooser
[01:44] <superm1> tgm4883, I think i know what that is
[01:44] <superm1> when you did install though
[01:44] <superm1> did you get options
[01:44] <superm1> for fe/be
[01:44] <tgm4883> no
[01:44] <superm1> and be only and fe only?
[01:45] <superm1> then this build isnt good anyhow
[01:45] <superm1> it doesnt have the newer ubiquity
[01:45] <superm1> which works around a ton of that
[01:46] <DaveMorris> oh well
[01:46] <DaveMorris> def off to bed now
[01:46] <DaveMorris> night all
[01:46] <superm1> nn
[01:57] <tgm4883> :(
[01:57] <superm1> ?
[01:57] <tgm4883> trying the 32bit iso and the installer crashed
[01:57] <superm1> yick
[01:57] <superm1> what were you doing?
[01:58] <tgm4883> Installing in my VM, I selected an advanced install.  Primary fe/be, and unselected a variety of plugins
[01:59] <superm1> right
[01:59] <superm1> and just poof
[01:59] <superm1> right there?
[01:59] <tgm4883> no, it installed somethings...let me get the syslog and partman
[02:01] <tgm4883> where should i put these logs?
[02:01] <superm1> well what was the last stepthat it reached
[02:01] <superm1> so i know if they are worth looking at
[02:02] <tgm4883> Installing system, 83%, configuring mythtv
[02:02] <superm1> ooh not good.
[02:03] <superm1> okay do this
[02:03] <superm1> in that env
[02:03] <superm1> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[02:03] <superm1> it will install the new ubiquity
[02:03] <superm1> make sure that doesnt happen again
[02:03] <superm1> with it
[02:03] <tgm4883> ok
[02:05] <superm1> the newer ubiquity has some other preliminary magic put in related to mysql as well
[02:06] <superm1> about copying settings from the live env in
[02:06] <superm1> if you start the frontend and want to install it
[02:07] <tgm4883> installers running again
[02:09] <tgm4883> nope, crashed as soon as it hit 83%
[02:10] <superm1> what VM are u using?
[02:10] <tgm4883> vmware-player
[02:10] <superm1> OK.  havent tried in there myself
[02:10] <superm1> only virtual box
[02:10] <tgm4883> built the machine on easyvmx.com
[02:10] <superm1> i'll have to see whats happening
[02:11] <superm1> can u pastebin the syslog?
[02:11] <tgm4883> yea
[02:11] <superm1> what do you think of the interface so far?
[02:11] <superm1> going the right direction?
[02:11] <tgm4883> looks good
[02:11] <tgm4883> few things
[02:12] <superm1> few things wrong, or few options?
[02:12] <tgm4883> the explanations of the different options dont show up in their entirety in the installer, and
[02:12] <superm1> oh no, that came back
[02:12] <superm1> for like the headings
[02:12] <superm1> at the top
[02:12] <superm1> i thought i nailed that before
[02:13] <tgm4883> what editiors do i have available to get the logs?
[02:13] <superm1> nano
[02:13] <superm1> vi
[02:13] <superm1> cat, more etc
[02:13] <tgm4883> ah
[02:14] <superm1> you can install anything in there though
[02:14] <superm1> gedit kate scite, if you need
[02:14] <tgm4883> how do i select the whole file in nano?
[02:14] <tgm4883> im use to gedit :)
[02:14] <superm1> install gedit then :)
[02:17] <tgm4883> ok, i haven't used pastebin before, but don't you just copy it in there and send?
[02:17] <superm1> paste it there
[02:17] <superm1> submit
[02:17] <superm1> and you get a url
[02:17] <superm1> which you put here
[02:17] <tgm4883> yea, not working
[02:17] <tgm4883> queryfailure
[02:18] <superm1> try another pastebin site then
[02:18] <superm1> there are dozens of them
[02:18] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[02:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:19] <tgm4883> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24512
[02:20] <superm1> you said you chose a Master FE/BE right?
[02:20] <tgm4883> yea
[02:20] <tgm4883> primary
[02:21] <superm1> well i have a feeling there is a typo in there then
[02:21] <superm1> crap
[02:21] <tgm4883> yea primary backend w/ fronend.  The first option
[02:21] <superm1> where patternline is chosen
[02:21] <tgm4883> should i try a different option?
[02:22] <superm1> Yes
[02:22] <superm1> i think i know where the typo might be too
[02:23] <tgm4883> ok, its doing master backend so i don't have to look up my mysql database password
[02:23] <superm1> yup i know exactly what it is
[02:23] <superm1> wow i'm shocked that i didnt catch this before
[02:23] <tgm4883> thats what im here for ;)
[02:24] <superm1> if you do a std install, the problem wouldnt have occurred
[02:24] <tgm4883> if there is one thing im good at it is installing OS's
[02:24] <superm1> or if you do any other kind of advanced
[02:24] <superm1> thanks a lot!  very good find
[02:24] <tgm4883> np
[02:26] <tgm4883> one question, in adding another backend or frontend.  The info you need for the new machine would be your a) database password, and b) your master backend address, anything else?
[02:27] <superm1> i dont think so
[02:27] <tgm4883> yep, shot right by 83%
[02:27] <tgm4883> ok
[02:28] <tgm4883> i had an idea, but not sure it was worth it (stole it from windows anyway)
[02:28] <superm1> well shoot
[02:28] <superm1> cant hurt
[02:29] <tgm4883> figured what if we could store those settings in a file on a usb key or something, then when installing a new machine, it could grab those settings from the key instead of the user having to go get them
[02:29] <superm1> i've been trying to think how that could be implementd
[02:29] <tgm4883> would probably be a benefit for network manager users too
[02:29] <superm1> maybe a boot option, choose your device
[02:30] <tgm4883> could it be something in the myth setup that checks for that file? (similar to the windows unattended installs)
[02:31] <superm1> but where would be that standard locatoin?
[02:31] <superm1> perhaps automount flash drives
[02:31] <tgm4883> ah
[02:32] <superm1> and crawl through /media ?
[02:32] <superm1> that could be a possibility I guess
[02:32] <tgm4883> yea it could crawl though, then if none is found fall back to a default
[02:32] <tgm4883> thats what windows does I think
[02:32] <superm1> tgm4883, could you throw a spec up on launchpad for that?
[02:32] <tgm4883> i suppose
[02:33] <superm1> during the login procedure that file can be looked for in /media and parsed
[02:33] <superm1> and then if it is found, either auto start a frontend
[02:33] <superm1> or autostart ubiquity
[02:35] <tgm4883> spec == blueprint?
[02:35] <superm1> yes
[02:36] <tgm4883> do you have to be a team member to do so?  I dont think im a team member
[02:36] <superm1> i'll add you then
[02:36] <superm1> there you go
[02:37] <tgm4883> thanks
[02:50] <superm1> digg results are in...... 413.84 GB content went out today
[02:51] <tgm4883> wow
[02:51] <superm1> along with 3288.95GB "partial content"
[02:51] <tgm4883> blueprint is done
[02:51] <superm1> did we really put out 3.2TB?
[02:51] <tgm4883> hope its ok
[02:51] <superm1> of partial content....
[02:52] <superm1> yes looks good
[02:52] <tgm4883> could have, people hitting the server, only getting partial downloads
[02:52] <tgm4883> although that seems like a lot compared to the 413
[02:52] <superm1> thank goodness for cost free hosting
[02:52] <tgm4883> :( been sitting on installing the grub boot loader for a while now
[02:53] <superm1> thats not good....
[02:53] <superm1> reboot the VM/
[02:53] <superm1> with the iso not mounted
[02:53] <superm1> perhaps
[02:54] <tgm4883> hmm, nothings happening with an unmounted iso
[02:58] <superm1> Hm.
[02:58] <superm1> I'm gonna have to jet
[02:58] <superm1> time to leave work
[02:58] <superm1> I'll be back on later on this eve
[06:03] <jetsaredim> superm1: this whole turn on/off cli option thing is essentially the same thing as the migration-assistant option
[06:03] <superm1> right
[06:03] <superm1> --disable-migration-assistant
[06:03] <superm1> we can have --enable-mythbuntu
[06:03] <jetsaredim> or just --mythbuntu
[06:03] <jetsaredim> whatever
[06:04] <superm1> carry on
[06:04] <jetsaredim> so
[06:04] <jetsaredim> in the gtkui file
[06:05] <jetsaredim> we just turn off all of the pages that are relevant to mythbuntu and change the references so that going back doesn't show the pages
[06:05] <jetsaredim> the code is all pretty much there for m-a
[06:06] <jetsaredim> just need to adjust for the number of pages in mythbuntu install
[06:07] <jetsaredim> make sense?
[06:08] <superm1> well i dont think that would fly with them though
[06:08] <superm1> because its still fairly invasive then
[06:08] <superm1> and other files are affected
[06:08] <superm1> like install.py
[06:09] <superm1> well i think that might be the only other "affected" file
[06:09] <superm1> install.py
[06:09] <superm1> but nonetheless
[06:11] <jetsaredim> i'll ask evan
[06:12] <jetsaredim> i'm kind of assuming that since this is a proven path that they won't have a problem with it
[06:13] <superm1> and that env variable
[06:13] <superm1> BREADCRUMB_STEPS
[06:13] <superm1> needs to be overriden too then
[06:13] <jetsaredim> yep
[06:13] <jetsaredim> look for MIGRATION in gtkui
[06:14] <jetsaredim> the first occurrence has that covered
[06:14] <superm1> so all of our steps are default then in their setup
[06:14] <superm1> and we remove ours when the arg isnt there
[06:14] <jetsaredim> right
[06:15] <superm1> well if they are cool with that, then awesome
[06:15] <jetsaredim> i gotta get it working first
[06:15] <superm1> :)
[06:15] <jetsaredim> details, details
[06:16] <jetsaredim> ugh - baby crying
[06:16] <jetsaredim> have the change to ubiquity done i think
[06:17] <jetsaredim> now just have to put in the removal code in gtkui
[06:17] <jetsaredim> first thing in the morning most likely
[06:17] <superm1> it would be nice too if we implictly disable migration assistant
[06:17] <superm1> by doing this
[06:17] <jetsaredim> we can do that too
[06:17] <jetsaredim> just a matter of setting that env var to 1
[06:18] <jetsaredim> which can be done in the same place we're setting our new env variable
[06:18] <jetsaredim> anyway gotta run
[06:18] <jetsaredim> bbl
[06:18] <superm1> okay later
[08:23] <superm1> imbrandon, your mail to motu-council didn't show up today for some reason or another to l.u.c
[08:28] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[08:28] <imbrandon> i'll look at my sent box
[12:17] <gardengnome> morning.
[12:17] <DaveMorris> morning
[12:17] <DaveMorris> njoying your bank holiday?
[12:18] <gardengnome> superm1: i never said chutt was going to release 0.21. 0.20.1 is ready AFAIK, but it never was released. it doesn't matter since we already use the fixes branch.
[12:18] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i don't have school anways. :)
[12:18] <gardengnome> superm1: there has been talk about releasing 0.21 soon, but there are still over 300 or 400 open tickets
[12:19] <gardengnome> bank holiday is bad, in fact, because i'm still waiting for my DVB card to arrive
[12:21] <gardengnome> is it possible to add comments to blue prints in LP?
[12:22] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: +1
[12:23] <gardengnome> yes mister shuttleworth, I BLAME YOU
[12:23] <gardengnome> i wonder how it looks under the hood.
[12:23] <DaveMorris> messy
[12:23] <gardengnome> yes
[12:24] <gardengnome> otherwise, they would be able to release the source immediately
[12:29] <Daviey> erm.. you can add to the 'whiteboard'
[12:30] <gardengnome> thanks
[12:32] <DaveMorris> non viewed traffic, does that include downloading the iso's in firefox?  Or just in things like wget ?
[12:33] <Daviey> should be both
[12:33] <Daviey> but as i changed the mirror that might have borked that
[12:33] <Daviey> plus softpedia and torrents
[12:35] <DaveMorris> 3288.95 GB of not viewed traffic this month already
[12:35] <DaveMorris> can we also get it to report the number of dwnloads for isos (broken into each type) and torrents?
[12:38] <DaveMorris> cakes now - someone's birthday :)
[12:39] <gardengnome> whose?
[12:39] <Daviey> Is it your bday DaveMorris ?
[12:39] <gardengnome> ;)
[12:40] <Daviey> 20!
[12:40] <Daviey> common
[12:40] <Daviey> you must be kidding
[12:40] <gardengnome> nope
[12:41] <gardengnome> "am i supposed to be grown-up now? can i still get wasted?". that kind of stuff
[12:41] <gardengnome> anyways, that's getting too philosophical now
[12:41] <Daviey> Ask yourself the same question when you have kids
[12:42] <gardengnome> heh
[01:17] <DaveMorris> not my birthday, my Dean's so cakes and champange
[01:26] <Daviey> good ol' dean eh?
[01:27] <DaveMorris> yep
[01:28] <Daviey> DaveMorris: stop holding your breath!
[01:47] <rogue780|mythsrv> superm1, well done on the alpha/digg
[01:51] <gardengnome> interesting
[01:52] <gardengnome> i've got debian/mythweb.config and debian/mythweb.templates
[01:52] <gardengnome> debian/rules also lists dh_installdebconf -s
[01:52] <gardengnome> but those files are not put into the final deb :'(
[01:52] <gardengnome> any clues?
[01:59] <DaveMorris> in my packaged I did, I copy them in manually afterwards
[01:59] <DaveMorris> after the $(MAKE) under the install tagert
[02:00] <gardengnome> i'll have to try that, thanks
[02:07] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: could you show me the exact line?
[02:07] <gardengnome> i'm getting cp: regulre Datei debian/mythweb/DEBIAN/config kann nicht angelegt werden: No such file or directory
[02:07] <gardengnome> ;)
[02:07] <gardengnome> maybe i need to mkdir debian/mythweb/DEBIAN/ first
[02:47] <DaveMorris> can you pastebin your rules file then
[02:47] <DaveMorris> sorry I had lunch
[02:49] <gardengnome> no problem
[02:49] <gardengnome> i just did an mkdir first and now they are in the package
[02:49] <gardengnome> it hangs when postinst tries to reload apache, though
[02:50] <gardengnome> i'll have to figure that one out
[02:51] <DaveMorris> how does it try and relaod it
[02:53] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: no, the reload itself should be fine, it's something that happens afterwards.
[02:54] <gardengnome> in postinst. which would be some db_get stuff.
[02:54] <gardengnome> let's see, my DEBIAN_PRIORITY setting could be wrong
[02:55] <DaveMorris> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg - lol
[03:10] <DaveMorris> a5benwillis: superm1 was wondering if you'd be interesting in doing some work for mythbuntu
[03:11] <jetsaredim> superm1: can we change the step names in the glade file to something that has Myth in the name?
[03:11] <jetsaredim> just for clarity's sake
[03:14] <jetsaredim> something like: stepMythInstallType, stepMythCustomInstall, stepMythPlugins, stepMythThemes, stepMythMasterBE, stepMythPropDrivers?
[03:14] <DaveMorris> jetsaredim: his around 5 or 6 hours behind UTC
[03:15] <jetsaredim> me too
[03:15] <jetsaredim> he only 1 TZ behind me
[03:15] <jetsaredim> :)
[03:23] <jetsaredim> DaveMorris: where u @?
[03:23] <DaveMorris> UK
[03:41] <jetsaredim> ah
[03:53] <jetsaredim> hmm
[03:53] <superm1> jetsaredim, thats not a big deal to change
[03:53] <jetsaredim> superm1: looks like cjwatson isn't terribly keen on the idea
[03:54] <superm1> go for it, just make sure that its updated all around
[03:54] <superm1> why is that?
[03:54] <jetsaredim> apparently the m-a component is different in that it's on by default
[03:55] <superm1> well who makes the final call then?
[03:55] <superm1> evand or cjwatson
[03:55] <jetsaredim> i'm guessing watson
[03:55] <jetsaredim> evan seems to be deferring to him
[03:55] <jetsaredim> still his tree ultimately
[03:56] <superm1> is he completely against it?
[03:56] <superm1> or just not "too keen on it"
[03:58] <jetsaredim> supposedly there are some changes to make everything more modular in ubiquity
[04:01] <superm1> for us to do?
[04:01] <jetsaredim> no
[04:01] <superm1> oh going on
[04:01] <superm1> by them
[04:01] <jetsaredim> right
[04:01] <superm1> well thats going to make a merge by us very difficult come gutsy
[04:02] <jetsaredim> trying to find out now when that's supposed to be
[04:20] <tgm4883> who is laga?
[04:20] <DaveMorris> gardengnome:
[04:20] <tgm4883> ah
[04:20] <gardengnome> yup
[04:20] <gardengnome> i need to recover that nick
[04:20] <gardengnome> :)
[04:20] <DaveMorris> you can after 3 months on in use can't you?
[04:20] <tgm4883> I hadn't seen that patch.  Does it also work for a backend?
[04:20] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: probably
[04:20] <DaveMorris> /nickserve help
[04:21] <DaveMorris> \nickserve help
[04:21] <gardengnome> tgm4883: i have no clue. ask in #mythtv-users they might know
[04:21] <DaveMorris> what ever the command is anyway
[04:21] <gardengnome> 15:54 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-           Last Seen: 1 year 29 weeks 6 days (2h 12m 26s) ago
[04:21] <gardengnome> it's still registered
[04:21] <gardengnome> i need to talk to freenode staff
[04:21] <DaveMorris> yeah, but you can stalk the guys as say its yours and you lost the pass
[04:22] <gardengnome> yup
[04:22] <DaveMorris> where is the wiki for the blueprints meant to be?
[04:22] <DaveMorris> so we can disccuss them etc
[04:23] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: AFAIK, you just create a wiki page and link to it in LP
[04:24] <DaveMorris> yeah,  I meant what server did we want to use for the wiki pages
[04:24] <gardengnome> if anyone feels like reviewing my mythweb authentication mess, please let me know. debconf doesn't ask me any questions even when it should :(
[04:25] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: wiki.ubuntu.com ? is there another one?
[04:28] <superm1> gardengnome, is it up on the bzr branch now?
[04:28] <gardengnome> no
[04:28] <superm1> put it up there and i can i look it over via webif
[04:28] <superm1> in a bit
[04:28] <laga> superm1: yup
[04:29] <laga> need to go over it again
[04:29] <superm1> ooh found the old pass
[04:29] <laga> for my old nick?
[04:29] <superm1> yea?
[04:29] <laga> oh
[04:29] <laga> heh
[04:29] <laga> that was a question
[04:29] <laga> no, i just talked to a freenode staffer
[04:29] <DaveMorris> easily sorted then
[04:29] <laga> yup
[04:30] <laga> it was just my laziness
[04:30] <superm1> now i gotta get used to gardengnome being green
[04:30] <laga> i want to become an ornamental hermit
[04:30] <tgm4883> looks like that secondary-fe-be-autoconfiguration is needed
[04:30] <tgm4883> i mean not needed
[04:31] <laga> yay.
[04:31] <laga> all registered now :)
[04:32] <gardengnome> i want to keep this one as well.. need to wait a few minutes before i can register it
[04:34] <laga> \o/
[04:34] <laga> this feels much better.
[04:47] <laga> superm1: it's committed to mythplugins-trunk
[04:53] <DaveMorris> anyone here any good with python and c++ ?
[04:53] <laga> hehehe
[04:53] <laga> DaveMorris: http://www.mvpmc.org/~erl/ maybe that can help
[05:01] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: the mytharchive problem you created a ticket....
[05:02] <maniacxs> you can check using mytharchivehelper what db settings mytharchive uses:
[05:02] <maniacxs>     cout << "-p/--getdbparameters outfile\n";
[05:02] <maniacxs>     cout << "       (write the mysql database parameters to outfile)\n\n";
[05:02] <DaveMorris> cheers
[05:03] <maniacxs> i have not looked there exactly in the py it fails. but if it a db problem you can check what mytharchive.py is using with the helper app.
[05:03] <maniacxs> s/there/where
[05:03] <DaveMorris> Daviey: has the same problem, we'll try and bang heads and see if we can fix it
[05:08] <laga> heya maniacxs :)
[05:11] <maniacxs> hey laga ;)
[05:12] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: if you run it on a remote host (not where the db is) the host has to be able to access the db with the user. set up in mysql.txt.
[05:13] <maniacxs> the mythfrontend should need the db, too. if i am informed correctly.
[05:13] <DaveMorris> yeah it does
[05:19] <superm1_> laga, whats this? https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mythtv/trunk
[05:20] <superm1_> it looks like trunk somehow in launchpad??
[05:21] <superm1_> also; your changes need to be pushed up yet
[05:21] <superm1_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/
[05:21] <superm1_> according to that
[05:21] <superm1_> i dont see them there
[05:27] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: can you check if your mythburn.py file that is used belongs to the 0.20svn20070122ubuntu3 package? svn20070122 (~r13354) should have VERSION="0.1.20070407-1" yours have VERSION="0.1.20060910-1"
[05:30] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: how can I do that on the cli?
[05:31] <DaveMorris> daviey: what packaged you using for mytharchive?
[05:31] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: if i would know how mythburn.py is started...
[05:31] <maniacxs> i do not remember ... ;)
[05:31] <maniacxs> try locate mythburn.py you should have only one
[05:32] <DaveMorris> I was gonna look at what package was isntalled, but I usually use synaptic for that and I'm at work now
[05:32] <laga> superm1_: yes, https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mythtv/trunk has been around for quite some time now.
[05:32] <Daviey> DaveMorris: latest in both feisty & edgy
[05:32] <Daviey> -> using two machines
[05:32] <maniacxs> it is possible taht you get these errors, when you have 2 mythtv installations one in /usr and one in e.g. /usr/local
[05:32] <superm1_> neat laga
[05:32] <laga> superm1_: sorry, i forgot to push. AFAIK, it commits directly to launchpad for my mythtv-trunk branch, but nor for mythplugins
[05:33] <superm1_> yea thats how mine is too
[05:33] <superm1_> its weird
[05:33] <laga> heh
[05:33] <laga> nice
[05:33] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: with dpkg -L packagename you can check the files belonging to the deb
[05:33] <laga> superm1_: ok, pushed my changes. sorry for the confusion
[05:34] <laga> superm1_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/mythplugins-trunk
[05:34] <laga> superm1_: it says i pushed them 48 jminutes ago o_O
[05:34] <superm1_> haha
[05:34] <DaveMorris> # version of script - change after each update VERSION="0.1.20061201-1"
[05:35] <maniacxs> laga: you are ubuntu deb maintainer now?
[05:35] <laga> maniacxs: no, i'm just helping out a bit.
[05:36] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: in your ticket in trac you have " 2007-02-14 18:13:03 mythburn.py (0.1.20060910-1) starting up..."
[05:36] <DaveMorris> its prob been updated since, but its still there
[05:36] <DaveMorris> the problem that is
[05:37] <superm1_> laga, mythweb.templates, shouldn't all instances of Description be _Description?  Or is that just for po updates?
[05:37] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: so if the package 0.20svn20070122ubuntu3  is created from 2007-01-22svn should have ~VERSION="0.1.20070407-1"
[05:37] <laga> superm1_: i have no clue. i think man 7 debconf-devel says "Descriptiob"
[05:37] <laga> superm1_: i have no clue. i think man 7 debconf-devel says "Description"
[05:38] <DaveMorris> I have no idea
[05:38] <DaveMorris> daviey: has the same problem with the same setup
[05:39] <superm1_> laga, you shoudn't have to manually make the DEBIAN directory
[05:39] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: so maybe you have 2 mythburn.py files one in /usr/local and one in /usr and it takes the older one from December 2006
[05:39] <superm1_> or copy in the templates or .config
[05:39] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: I only have 1 file
[05:40] <maniacxs> does someone have a url to the deb file of mytharchive 0.20svn20070122ubuntu3?
[05:40] <superm1_> laga,
[05:40] <superm1_> i think i found the problem
[05:41] <superm1_> your dh_installdebconf uses a -s
[05:41] <superm1_> but mythweb is arch independent
[05:41] <superm1_> so you will want to be using a -i
[05:41] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: what repo are you using for mythtv?
[05:42] <DaveMorris> the offical ubuntu ones
[05:42] <laga> superm1_: the debconf files i'm installing manually
[05:42] <laga> superm1_: although i'll try that suggestion
[05:43] <superm1_> don't install them manually - thats very mesy
[05:43] <superm1_> messy
[05:43] <laga> yup
[05:43] <laga> i blame DaveMorris
[05:43] <DaveMorris> thanks, for that
[05:44] <DaveMorris> you could always make them extra cc files in your configure script
[05:45] <laga> ;)
[05:45] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/mythplugins_0.20-svn20070122.orig.tar.gz
[05:45] <DaveMorris> I'm afraid its a bit slow though
[05:45] <superm1_> DaveMorris, isnt that the same one you can apt-get source?
[05:45] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: thank you
[05:45] <maniacxs> ;)
[05:46] <DaveMorris> yes, but he wanted a url link to it
[05:47] <DaveMorris> I've just killed ktorrent so it should upload quicker now as well
[05:48] <superm1_> packages.ubuntu.com?
[05:49] <DaveMorris> thanks, I didn't know about that
[05:50] <superm1_> when not on a debian system, its the easiest way to get stuff like that
[05:50] <superm1_> debian has one too
[05:50] <superm1_> at packages.debian.org
[05:51] <spoky99> hi superm1
[05:51] <laga> superm1_: did you find any other mistakes? it doesn't seem to make a difference wether i'm using dh_installdebconf or cp
[05:52] <spoky99> I'm italian user escuse my bad english
[05:52] <spoky99> I don't remember the irc comman :(
[05:52] <superm1_> hi spoky99
[05:53] <spoky99> i tried to install mythbuntu
[05:53] <spoky99> but exit one error
[05:53] <superm1_> about a postinst?
[05:53] <superm1_> at the very end
[05:54] <spoky99> no directly by iso cd of mythbubtu
[05:54] <superm1_> There have been several issues resolved in ubiquity
[05:54] <superm1_> since release
[05:55] <superm1_> there is one big one left, but what kind of install were you shooting for?
[05:55] <spoky99> i post a bug in launchpad.net
[05:55] <superm1_> spoky99, very good, can you tell me the number?
[05:55] <spoky99> whait.. i'm a lot slowly in english :(
[05:56] <superm1_> No big deal.  Take your time :)
[05:56] <spoky99> Mythbuntu 7.04 x86 (Alpha: 06/03/2007) ISO
[05:56] <superm1_> Yes, there is a few known issues with the installer
[05:57] <spoky99> I'm just a linux newbie
[05:57] <superm1_> some of them have been resolved since that ISO was made, but there is one outstanding issue
[05:57] <superm1_> spoky99, I'd say hold off till our next alpha.
[05:57] <superm1_> it will be more newbie friendly
[05:57] <spoky99> thanks
[05:57] <superm1_> (and do a lot more)
[05:57] <DaveMorris> Ci  tradotta da un programma ma qui va. Potete prego conosciamo il numero che dell'insetto avete inviato su launchpad o sul URL per l'insetto
[05:57] <spoky99> whait
[05:57] <spoky99> tell me in english
[05:58] <DaveMorris> Can you please let us know the bug number you posted on launchpad for the url for the bug
[05:58] <spoky99> I understend a lot
[05:58] <laga> DaveMorris: was that babelfish?
[05:58] <DaveMorris> laga:  yeah
[05:58] <laga> DaveMorris: looks like it ;)
[05:58] <spoky99> but I don't write and.. don't speak a lot :)
[05:59] <DaveMorris> spoky99: your written English is quite good though
[05:59] <tgm4883> That is translate from a program but it goes here. You can I pray we know the number that of the bug you have sended on launchpad or on the URL for the bug
[05:59] <tgm4883> is that close to the original?
[05:59] <DaveMorris> the orginal is ^^
[05:59] <spoky99> i don't remember it.. i'm searcing it :)
[05:59] <laga> o_O
[06:00] <DaveMorris> spoky99: you'd of got a email about it as well, but maybe 20mins after you posted it
[06:00] <spoky99> yes..
[06:00] <spoky99> but I missig it
[06:00] <spoky99> :(
[06:00] <superm1_> laga, good thing you moved . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule up to outside the function i thought it was that at fist, but then saw it commented out
[06:01] <tgm4883> whats your launchpad name?
[06:01] <superm1_> laga, at this point, is it just not showing the debconf pages upon install as you expect?
[06:02] <superm1_> and more importantly, do they show up when doing dpkg-reconfigure mythweb
[06:02] <DaveMorris> bug 119055
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119055 in ubiquity "mythbuntu crashes on  first installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119055
[06:03] <superm1_> ooh the regular ubuntu ubiquity guys wouldnt be too happy with that.
[06:04] <superm1_> have to move that to mythbuntu tracker
[06:04] <DaveMorris> there isn't a mythbuntu package for me to assign it against
[06:04] <superm1_> spoky99, that bug has been fixed in our bzr branch though
[06:04] <superm1_> thanks for the report :)
[06:04] <spoky99> yess..
[06:05] <laga> superm1_: it's not showing the debconf pages. it just goes on trying to restart apache. after that, it hangs.
[06:05] <laga> superm1_: dpkg-reconfigure is a good call
[06:06] <superm1_> DaveMorris, got it resolved.
[06:06] <superm1_> see bug  119055 now
[06:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119055 in mythbuntu "mythbuntu crashes on  first installation" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119055
[06:07] <superm1_> it should be in mythbuntu
[06:07] <superm1_> yup
[06:07] <DaveMorris> yeah I moved it to mythtv and you made it upstream mythbuntu
[06:07] <superm1_> there is another one though still that is going to bite people
[06:07] <superm1_> directly related to this one
[06:07] <superm1_> i started to fix it last night, but fell asleep before i got it done
[06:07] <superm1_> where mythtv-database isn't properly initialized
[06:07] <laga> superm1_: heh. dpkg-reconfigure --force will just hang after restarting apache, too
[06:08] <spoky99> what is bzr branch?
[06:08] <laga> superm1_: narf. actually, the template and config are not in the package.
[06:08] <superm1_> spoky99, its like svn or cvs, a versioning system
[06:08] <laga> superm1_: where exactly do i need to put that dh_installdebconf call?
[06:09] <superm1_> where you have it is right
[06:09] <superm1_> as long as you use a -i
[06:09] <superm1_> the -s won't work because its arch indep
[06:12] <maniacxs> Dav
[06:12] <DaveMorris> yeah
[06:12] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: i assume you have files in the mydata.xml file.
[06:12] <maniacxs> whats with the recording directory?
[06:13] <maniacxs> it is a recording you want to burn right?
[06:13] <DaveMorris> yeah, videos burn fine (but they are nfs mounted)
[06:14] <DaveMorris> whats the mydata.xml file?
[06:14] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: please check the RecordFilePrefix in the settings table in the mythconverg first please
[06:15] <DaveMorris> what does that do?  Say where to get the file from?
[06:16] <superm1_> laga, also that db_stop
[06:16] <superm1_> not too sure its a good idea
[06:16] <spoky99> superm1: I finnally read your post in the endo of the bug but.. I tryed a lot of time to install mythbuntu usig a different mode
[06:17] <spoky99> also if i try to install mytbuntu in normal mode Master Backend Frontend
[06:17] <superm1_> spoky99, if you boot up the disk, and right click the desktop
[06:17] <superm1_> you can pick terminal
[06:17] <spoky99> yess
[06:17] <superm1_> and run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y'
[06:17] <superm1_> and then that will update ubiquity to the newer version that we have
[06:18] <spoky99> the installation end whit one error (is in italian.. i try to translate)
[06:18] <spoky99> wowww
[06:18] <spoky99> great!
[06:18] <spoky99> I don't try this way!!
[06:18] <superm1_> spoky99, but there is still an issue regarding the database that you might hit
[06:18] <spoky99> ifyes
[06:18] <spoky99> yes!
[06:19] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: try following: echo "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix' AND hostname = 'pacifica';" |mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h YOURDATABASEHOST
[06:19] <spoky99> i tryed 5 time, but one only ghive me this error
[06:19] <superm1_> spoky99, stick around this channel the next day or two, i'll let you know once i fix the other database issue.
[06:19] <spoky99> the other time the error was "your cd or your hard disk is damaged, clean the cd rom.."
[06:19] <superm1_> i'm at work right now, so it will be a bit until i can
[06:20] <spoky99> see you tomorrow
[06:20] <superm1_> very good
[06:20] <superm1_> cu
[06:20] <spoky99> thanks!
[06:20] <spoky99> this evening I hav the linux lip 101 courses
[06:21] <spoky99> I cold go eat someting
[06:21] <spoky99> bye
[06:21] <superm1_> bye
[06:21] <superm1_> laga, i'm running to clas in like 2 min, anything else?
[06:22] <laga> superm1_: no, i have to study analysis now anyways. looks like it's not working yet, though
[06:22] <superm1_> k laga.  i'll be back later, we'll touch bases then
[06:22] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: have you seen it?
[06:23] <DaveMorris> I did, but can you repost it
[06:23] <DaveMorris> I had to reboot
[06:23] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: try following: echo "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix' AND hostname = 'pacifica';" |mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h YOURDATABASEHOST
[06:23] <DaveMorris> the usbbus was screwing up and not detecting my device
[06:23] <DaveMorris> on my FE or BE?
[06:23] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: where you want
[06:24] <superm1_away> well that didnt work.  oh well
[06:24] <superm1_away> guys i'm not here ok :)
[06:24] <maniacxs> please check if hostname = 'pacifica' is the hostname of your FE
[06:24] <DaveMorris> it is
[06:24] <maniacxs> ok
[06:25] <maniacxs> laga: have you tested the lightscribe patch for mytharchive i created?
[06:25] <maniacxs> some time ago
[06:26] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: it should show you the directory that is used for the FE for the recordings.
[06:26] <maniacxs> e.g.: RecordFilePrefix        /mnt/store/tv_record    cathrin
[06:27] <laga> maniacxs: i don't have a lightscribe DVD writer.
[06:27] <laga> maniacxs: i dont have a mythtv box either at the moment ;)
[06:27] <maniacxs> laga: oh ... poor boy ;)
[06:27] <maniacxs> what happend to your mythtv box?
[06:27] <laga> maniacxs: it's semi-working. waiting for the fourth capture card
[06:28] <laga> maniacxs: it's being overhauled.. well, it's been that way since 6 months now. school and GF interference
[06:29] <maniacxs> laga: yes the GF interference is harder to solve than everythin else...
[06:29] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: I'm getting confused.  My FE gets the recordings by them been streamed from the BE
[06:30] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: mythburn gets the recordings from mythtranscode if you enabled it. but mythtranscode does not support remote streaming yet
[06:30] <laga> maniacxs: yes, but it's also very rewarding
[06:30] <maniacxs> so you need access to the tv_record dir
[06:30] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: thats where its going wrong then
[06:30] <laga> maniacxs: i get a lot of leisure time from procrastinating my school studies so it's not that bad
[06:30] <DaveMorris> so I need to network mount the tv_record dir
[06:30] <maniacxs> laga: ;) yes it is...
[06:32] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: currenty its going wrong when it tries to create a path for the file because you have (possibly) no information about the path for the FE to the recordings
[06:33] <maniacxs> if you fix the missing path issue in the settings table (e.g. using the settings menu in mythfrontend) it will crash later when trying to get the files.
[06:33] <maniacxs> or when running mythtranscode if enabled
[06:33] <DaveMorris> ok, I'll give it a go after work, thanks for the help
[06:34] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: please do this i am going to check if it is fixed in 0.20-fixes
[06:35] <laga> superm1_away: yay. the debconf questions show up. had the name of a template messed up somewhere in mythweb.config
[06:35] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: it won't be for another 3 hours till I cna start to look at it
[06:37] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: do you have ssh access to the host? you can run mytharchive from cli ;) if it is possible at your work.
[06:37] <maniacxs> ;)
[06:37] <DaveMorris> I do have access yeah
[06:37] <DaveMorris> but I need to export everything
[06:47] <maniacxs> it seems to be fixed in 0.21
[06:47] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: what was fixed?  In that it gives a sane error message ?
[06:48] <maniacxs> 0.20-fixes still fetches the data from settings table
[06:50] <maniacxs> i have not really checked every changes. mythburn.py is a really really ugly file ;) but 0.20-fixes still needs the setting RecordFilePrefix 0.21 does not need it anymore.
[06:51] <laga> superm1_away: fixed a few bugs in prepareauth()
[06:51] <maniacxs> with 0.21 you would get a sane error message. yes you are right
[06:52] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: you would get the error message 242 from mythtranscode in your case
[06:53] <bdmurray> Hello, I recently saw bug 119119 and it seems to be related to installing mythbuntu.  Is there a team to assign it to?
[06:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119119 in ubiquity "Installer Crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119119
[06:54] <DaveMorris> mythtbuntu is the team, if you can't assign it to that stick under mythtv and I'll get it sorted
[06:54] <DaveMorris> thanks bdmurray
[06:56] <bdmurray> DaveMorris: sure, no problem.
[07:03] <maniacxs> laga: have you tried to involve your $GF into mythtv dev? e.g. translations it works for me. i can to much more in the time she is busy ;)
[07:03] <DaveMorris> lol, thats one way
[07:04] <laga> maniacxs: she's busy enough as it is.
[07:04] <laga> i assume. :)
[07:04] <DaveMorris> do we have translotors for Italian and Spanish (mexican) ?
[07:05] <DaveMorris> I could try and convince some people at work to do those if we havent
[08:20] <laga> superm1_away: i've just pushed my fixes (three revisions). debconf questions are now displayed, but it still hangs after apache restart
[09:12] <laga> maniacxs: this one is for us: http://www.bash.org/?20987
[09:47] <DaveMorris> I think alot of people are gonna be disapointed with that alpha superm1
[09:47] <DaveMorris> we've had 3 bugs about ubiquity in it already
[10:03] <superm1_away> DaveMorris, i see them
[10:04] <superm1_away> its a shame, common case that wasnt well tested before that announce
[10:04] <superm1_away> i was really hoping for input on interface more than full install, but i dont think that is the way the community is going to view it
[10:05] <superm1_> laga do you *need* that db_stop?
[10:05] <superm1_> i havent checked your latest version yet to see if its still there
[10:06] <superm1_> but i'm wondering if that is killing things, i cant recall ever having to use one my self
[10:06] <superm1_> DaveMorris, and i have the rest of the fix for how to do it entirely in my mind right now, its just a matter of getting it in
[10:07] <superm1_> and having the time to get it in more so
[10:08] <laga> superm1_: where is that db_stop?
[10:08] <laga> guess ill just grep for it.
[10:09] <superm1_> it was in the postinst
[10:09] <superm1_> mythweb.postinst
[10:09] <laga> superm1_: it's commented out in postinst
[10:09] <superm1_> o
[10:09] <superm1_> let me look closer again :)
[10:10] <laga> :)
[10:10] <superm1_> the webif makes it easy to miss lines commented out
[10:10] <superm1_> hence why i almost though you were . /usr/share/..... in that function
[10:10] <laga> i should have put everything into one commit, that would have made it easier for you
[10:13] <superm1_> laga that prepare_auth function
[10:13] <superm1_> perhaps should it be moved
[10:13] <superm1_> out of the case statement
[10:13] <superm1_> and called appropriately
[10:13] <laga> might be worth a try
[10:14] <superm1_> put it before the case statement
[10:14] <superm1_> so that sh reads it first
[10:14] <DaveMorris> whats the link for our section of the forums
[10:15] <DaveMorris> and do we have a mialing list yet?
[10:15] <superm1_> DaveMorris, we dont have it yet, we need to file a proposal
[10:15] <superm1_> for the forums section
[10:15] <superm1_> (wanted to wait until next alpha/beta)
[10:15] <superm1_> should we do it now you think?
[10:15] <DaveMorris> whats the wiki software on mythbuntu?
[10:16] <DaveMorris> jsut gave me a message box with a yes/cancel option
[10:16] <laga> fsck
[10:16] <laga> db_get mythweb/firstquestion || true
[10:16] <laga> this has to be mythweb/yesno
[10:16] <DaveMorris> and the wiki software sucks
[10:16] <laga> when i renamed that template, i knew i was in for trouble. i still did it.
[10:16] <laga> i hope it'll work now
[10:16] <superm1_> DaveMorris, its drupal
[10:17] <DaveMorris> It just removed all the formatting I had!
[10:17] <superm1_> Oh there is an option
[10:17] <superm1_> right below the post
[10:17] <superm1_> to change if it filters the html or no
[10:17] <superm1_> What are you posting?
[10:17] <superm1_> In support?
[10:18] <DaveMorris> I'll show ya in a moment
[10:19] <superm1_> DaveMorris, should I file the proposal for the forums sction now you thinkg?
[10:19] <superm1_> or wait
[10:20] <DaveMorris> http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/11
[10:20] <DaveMorris> is what I'm working on
[10:20] <laga> when would they be enabled? do you really need a bunch of digg bit.. users whining about an alpha version of ubuntu?
[10:21] <superm1_> DaveMorris, ah good
[10:21] <superm1_> laga, you mean the forums section?
[10:21] <DaveMorris> we gonna have a wiki place for people to produce documentation on?
[10:22] <superm1_> ideally yes
[10:22] <superm1_> release notes are a must
[10:22] <superm1_> and an install guide would be good
[10:22] <superm1_> its a matter of finding where to fit it all though, those links among the top are filling quick
[10:22] <superm1_> even on my 1440x1050 LCD
[10:23] <laga> superm1_: yes
[10:23] <superm1_> laga, see and thats the reason i wanted to delay getting them opened
[10:23] <superm1_> because people whining
[10:24] <superm1_> maybe after the other ubiquity change that fixes the master back/front install
[10:24] <laga> superm1_: i mighr be a misanthrope, but web 2.0 and its user-generated content usually just means "people whine on digg" to me. ;)
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[10:24] <superm1_> i'll hold off drawing up that prop. then
[10:26] <DaveMorris> superm1 you know how I can rename the pages rather than them been node/11
[10:28] <superm1_> imbrandon, knows that magic.  He said its an advanced option
[10:28] <superm1_> at the bottom
[10:28] <superm1_> so try expanding those hidden sections
[10:28] <superm1_> on the edit page
[10:29] <DaveMorris> do we all have access to advanced options?
[10:29] <superm1_> yes
[10:29] <superm1_> we should
[10:30] <superm1_> yea see i didnt see it either
[10:31] <DaveMorris> imbrandon: poke
[10:34] <Daviey> hmm
[10:36] <superm1_> http://drupal.org/node/113373
[10:36] <superm1_> thats what i find
[10:37] <Daviey> intresting - http://lircconfig.commandir.com/
[10:37] <laga> nice
[10:39] <superm1_> that does look interesting
[10:44] <superm1_> okay so the path module is enabled
[10:44] <superm1_> it was already
[10:46] <DaveMorris> but how do you use it?
[10:46] <superm1_> lol
[10:47] <superm1_> i found the advanaced menu
[10:47] <superm1_> but its not working
[10:47] <superm1_> it just breaks the link
[10:47] <DaveMorris> where's the advanced menu?
[10:47] <superm1_> there should be a menu item called url aliases
[10:47] <superm1_> thats where it is handled
[10:48] <DaveMorris> on my menu bar on the left I have Create content, my account and logout
[10:48] <superm1_> i'm looking for it still myself
[10:49] <superm1_> http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/path
[10:50] <superm1_> here we go
[10:50] <superm1_> permissions are off
[10:50] <DaveMorris> "You can enable the path module on the modules page (administer >> modules). Then when users with the right permissions create or edit posts, they'll see a field for "URL path settings." That's where they can enter an alias of their choice."
[10:50] <superm1_> for EVERYONE
[10:51] <superm1_> try now
[10:51] <DaveMorris> yep
[10:53] <DaveMorris> superm1 offical docs, they gonna be wiki's or what?
[10:53] <superm1_> DaveMorris, i was thinking that we keep mythbuntu docs on mythbuntu
[10:53] <superm1_> .org
[10:53] <DaveMorris> as html docs?  PDF?
[10:53] <superm1_> but we control them
[10:53] <superm1_> as drupal items
[10:53] <superm1_> linked around
[10:54] <DaveMorris> ok, then we need to start making those, they will take a while
[10:54] <superm1_> your right they will
[10:54] <DaveMorris> and translating ;)
[10:54] <superm1_> DaveMorris, did you see awstats after yesterday? we have people all over the world
[10:54] <superm1_> your right
[10:54] <DaveMorris> I suggest we do them in pair's
[10:55] <superm1_> the problem si
[10:55] <superm1_> does drupal support translation
[10:55] <DaveMorris> so that its checked as it goes along with someone else
[10:55] <superm1_> or should we even worry about that
[10:55] <DaveMorris> well, setting up TV in the UK is slightly different to the US
[10:55] <superm1_> behind .net/.con, italy and germany were the biggest
[10:55] <superm1_> 44.36 GB from italy
[10:56] <superm1_> good point
[10:56] <superm1_> well the generalized docs can be started
[10:56] <DaveMorris> will also want docs on how to set it up with the various sataltie cable companyies, so they'll end up quite Country specific
[10:57] <superm1_> does drupal include support to include pages?
[10:57] <superm1_> then the general one can be written
[10:57] <superm1_> and include subpages
[10:57] <superm1_> for country specific
[10:57] <DaveMorris> we just create the main page, with the others as different pages
[10:58] <DaveMorris> I'm thinking of like.
[10:58] <DaveMorris> Installing mythbunt [general]  [Country Flags linked to localised versions] 
[10:58] <superm1_> right
[10:58] <superm1_> and then the localized versions all have the same structure
[10:59] <superm1_> and include localized pages
[10:59] <DaveMorris> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests is whats used for ubuntu iso's, can we do the same with the mythbuntu ISO's?
[10:59] <laga> i'd volunteer for the german translation
[10:59] <DaveMorris> volunters Daviey to help him with the UK pages
[11:00] <superm1_> i'm not sure how we should handle tests yet
[11:00] <superm1_> because there is a lot that will be changing in the next week
[11:01] <superm1_> tgm4883, you said you couldnt commit to something coding nec now, but can you to helping with writing this doc?
[11:08] <laga> superm1_: http://laga.ath.cx/mythweb-password.jpg
[11:08] <laga> \o/
[11:08] <superm1_> ooo
[11:09] <superm1_> looks like something works :)
[11:09] <laga> yes :)
[11:10] <laga> interestingly enough, the postinst still hangs, but everything is set up properly :)
[11:10] <superm1_> to mythtv;mythtv
[11:10] <superm1_> or www-data:www-data?
[11:10] <laga> superm1_: thanks a lot, you have been a great help :)
[11:10] <superm1_> laga, npm glad to see this finally come to life
[11:10] <laga> superm1_: anything that's not world-readable.
[11:10] <laga> superm1_: well, it cost you too much time
[11:10] <superm1_> its been on my todo for ages (along with a very long list of other things)
[11:11] <laga> heh
[11:11] <laga> it's been fun although it took me like two days.
[11:11] <laga> next one will be faster, i hope.
[11:11] <superm1_> i hear you - all the autologin stuff took me a 1.5 weeks total to sort out
[11:12] <DaveMorris> superm1 In this doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults they talk about been able to use Rsync to update the ISO due to they way its built, does that work with the mythbuntu ISO's?
[11:13] <superm1_> thats crazy if it does
[11:13] <laga> superm1_: ouch
[11:13] <laga> superm1_: do we need more than one user name? i could easily add a small user management thingy
[11:13] <superm1_> for mythweb?
[11:13] <superm1_> i think just the one user is plenty
[11:14] <laga> k
[11:14] <laga> i'll fix the outstanding issues and commit it tomorrow. oh, i need to make it work on edgy too, right?
[11:14] <superm1_> laga, not at this point
[11:14] <DaveMorris> laga: and dapper ;)
[11:15] <superm1_> gusty is all we got to shoot for
[11:15] <superm1_> well feisty would be convenient too
[11:15] <superm1_> but gutsy is the important one
[11:16] <superm1_> after the DB problem is fixed, i think i'll try building a gutsy ISO
[11:16] <laga> superm1_: feisty will work. edgy is a bit tricky because apache 2.0.x in edgy needs to be told differently about the password file.
[11:16] <superm1_> and see how things work comparatively
[11:16] <superm1_> laga, dont worry about edgy then
[11:16] <laga> superm1_: i was just wondering about possible backports
[11:16] <superm1_> isnt gutsy LTS
[11:16] <superm1_> release
[11:16] <superm1_> dapper people should be upgrading anyway if so
[11:17] <DaveMorris> Dapper is LTS
[11:17] <DaveMorris> so 3yrs
[11:17] <superm1_> i thought i read somewhere gutsy was also to be
[11:17] <laga> upgrading is scary.
[11:17] <DaveMorris> laga: upgrading is easy (unless you have the nvidia drivers)
[11:17] <superm1_> laga, we are going to have to support upgrades too
[11:18] <superm1_> so we better be doing them ourselves
[11:18] <laga> that's what VMs are for
[11:18] <laga> i have enough trouble keeping my boxen running as it is. ;)
[11:20] <DaveMorris> I need to grab some kvm cables then I have a real box I can trash every day :)
[11:20] <superm1_> i'm gonna pick up an extra hard drive i think
[11:20] <superm1_> so that i can do the tv out tests
[11:20] <superm1_> once i get that code
[11:20] <superm1_> in
[11:20] <DaveMorris> superm1 get some quick change caddies
[11:20] <superm1_> anyone have an ATI card they will be able to test with too?
[11:21] <DaveMorris> its what I've got in this machine I'm gonna use for test
[11:21] <DaveMorris> I've got nvidia
[11:21] <laga> superm1_: i've got an older ATI card in my mythtv box
[11:21] <DaveMorris> my frontend is VIA, but we're not doing the openchrome drivers yet,
[11:21] <superm1_> OK good laga you'll be in charge of making sure that it works
[11:21] <superm1_> once its in
[11:21] <DaveMorris> Needs VIA to give him a smaple board to test with etc
[11:21] <superm1_> DaveMorris, that will be added to the list though after we get the ATI and NVIDIA sorted
[11:21] <laga> i'm not sure yet if i want to sacrifice my production box, even with a spare hard disk
[11:22] <superm1_> laga, do you have a HD set you will be able to use to test it with or just standard?
[11:22] <superm1_> even a spare hard disk??
[11:22] <laga> superm1_: i've got a bunch of spare hard disks, AFAIK
[11:22] <laga> some old 40GB cruft
[11:22] <superm1_> thats all you need anyway
[11:22] <DaveMorris> laga: if you come to England I can give ya a 500Mhz box to test with
[11:22] <superm1_> 10 gigs
[11:22] <superm1_> tops
[11:23] <laga> DaveMorris: no worries, i have got enough old hard ware lying around
[11:23] <laga> in fac,t ui've got a whole room dedicated to it. ;)
[11:23] <DaveMorris> then use one of those for testing the backend
[11:24] <DaveMorris> my production backend is a 400Mhz box
[11:24] <laga> in fact, my spelling is really bad today
[11:26] <laga> i've got two or three P3 450MHz, one athlon with 700MHz, the asus pundit with a celeron 2.4GHz, my mythtv box running an athlon xp 1800+ at 1.2GHz and my main box
[11:26] <laga> i could put together a development box, but i don't hacve any spare usable tv tuners (bt8x8 chips don't cound)
[11:27] <laga> that's why i'd rather use virtual machines. i don't have to get up that way.:)
[11:28] <DaveMorris> we need a page on mythbuntu for people to donate tuner cards , gfx cards and mini-itx boards
[11:28] <DaveMorris> oh and remotes
[11:29] <superm1_> DaveMorris, on that same helping us page
[11:29] <superm1_> contributing
[11:29] <superm1_> add a note about it
[11:30] <superm1_> that they can either help with testing, or donate / lend hardware
[11:30] <laga> it might be a good idea to make v4l-dvb snapshots available. that way, people can get bleeding edge drivers for their TV cards
[11:31] <DaveMorris> have 2 packages then, vrl-dvb and vrl-dvb-bleeding
[11:31] <superm1_> vrl-dvb?
[11:31] <superm1_> what is vrl
[11:31] <superm1_> oh v4l-dvb
[11:31] <superm1_> haha
[11:31] <laga> there is no separate v4l-dvb package, it gets pulled into linux before a kernel releae
[11:31] <DaveMorris> I meant 4
[11:32] <laga> release*
[11:32] <DaveMorris> ah
[11:32] <laga> however, there are lots of personal branches where individual people host improved/new drivers.
[11:33] <laga> eg for DVB-S2 cards (dunno if some of those drivers were merged into v4l-dvb main).
[11:33] <laga> unfortunately, putting together such a package would be a rather tedious task
[11:33] <superm1_> laga, throw a spec up about it, as the pipeline runs dry for other stuff (which will take awhile :)) we can think more into it
[11:34] <laga> k
[11:34] <laga> anything is good as long as it prevents me from analysis
[11:35] <superm1_> i wish i had a week or two away from class and work to hammer a lot of this out
[11:35] <superm1_> its annoying only being able to work on it from 8P-1A or so while getting other stuff done at the same time
[11:36] <DaveMorris> superm1 you do a good job though!!
[11:36] <laga> after a few days of doing nothing but hacking on ubuntu stuff, you start to feel weird
[11:36] <laga> trust me
[11:36] <laga> DaveMorris: yup, i have to agree :)
[11:36] <laga> i'm always jealous of productive people
[11:36] <DaveMorris> team leader on a distrubuntuion and your 21
[11:37] <DaveMorris> You'll have a job as a project leader yet
[11:37] <superm1_> well thanks guys :)
[11:37] <DaveMorris> you gone all red yet?
[11:38] <superm1_> yes, but its warm in my office, thats probably why :)
[11:38] <DaveMorris> and this is the 1st project I've been involved with, and I feel its going well
[11:38] <superm1_> me too
[11:38] <superm1_> things are falling into place well
[11:38] <Daviey> superm1_: working for IBM - i'm jealous of that
[11:39] <Daviey> 4 more diggs until we reach 1000!!
[11:39] <superm1_> woah
[11:39] <superm1_> we're still up there???
[11:40] <Daviey> not frontpage.. :(
[11:40] <superm1_> we were second page last night yet when i went to bed
[11:40] <Daviey> but the digg page is #2 under google for 'mythbuntu'
[11:40] <superm1_> imbrandon said that we peaked at 82MB/s
[11:40] <superm1_> yesterday
[11:41] <Daviey> nowonder site died
[11:41] <Daviey> i was amazed how quickly changing the linky to dl fixed it
[11:41] <superm1_> yea no kidding
[11:41] <Daviey> speaking of that.. maybe we should change the link back
[11:42] <superm1_> a lot of people must have linked to that digg page, if its the number two hit
[11:42] <superm1_> in google
[11:42] <superm1_> for mythbuntu
[11:43] <DaveMorris> I didn't even blog about it :)
[11:45] <laga> spec is done
[11:46] <DaveMorris> whats the mysql command to see the fields in a table?
[11:46] <DaveMorris> describe?
[11:46] <DaveMorris> yes it was
[11:46] <superm1_> is there a way to modify a mysql table's permissions without the server running?
[11:47] <Daviey> superm1_: seems kinda nasty
[11:47] <superm1_> Daviey, well i'd hate to have to start mysql just for that purpose on an install before reboot
[11:47] <superm1_> and its kinda messy in that currently it is starting on live disk boot up
[11:47] <superm1_> on its own
[11:47] <superm1_> so its nasty in its own way already
[11:48] <laga> superm1_: you'd need to start mysqld anyways. for the BE.
[11:48] <laga> err
[11:48] <laga> mythtv-setup.
[11:48] <superm1_> well the current way things are going, thats not until reboot
[11:48] <Daviey> i copied the directory for mythtv on a backup once; without doing a dump.  It imported fine - but i didn't like doing it
[11:48] <superm1_> Daviey, did you feel dirty?
[11:48] <laga> i hope you did
[11:49] <Daviey> i felt very dirty
[11:49] <Daviey> had to wash my hands
[11:50] <superm1_> well i'll keep thinking more into it.
[11:50] <superm1_> i dont want it to come down to that
[11:50] <superm1_> but the current issue is those new permissions are not activated at all for that exact reason
[11:51] <Daviey> shell script on reboot?
[11:51] <superm1_> thats another dirty hack though
[11:51] <Daviey> cleaner than hacking mysql files directly imo
[11:52] <superm1_> good point
[11:53] <superm1_> well if anyone else is feeling like some ubiquity hacking tonight before i get back and wants to see what they can do
[11:53] <Daviey> why are the permissions wrong anyway?
[11:53] <superm1_> i can point you to where it needs to be done
[11:53] <superm1_> because a new password is generated after all the files are copied over
[11:53] <superm1_> so not every mythbuntu install has the same password
[11:54] <Daviey> oic
[11:58] <superm1_> DaveMorris, when i first got down to setting up password settings, it dawned upon me that it was a bad idea to have all mythbuntu users with the same mysql password :)
[11:58] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, wrote a spec yesterday that i really like the idea of though
[11:58] <superm1_> that it can grab info from a flash drive
[11:58] <superm1_> or cd drive
[11:58] <Daviey> Would seem running mysql on live cd or post reboot might be the only way
[11:58] <superm1_> or something mounted in /media
[11:58] <DaveMorris> url for the lazy?
[11:58] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, apparently some of that spec is not needed
[11:58] <Daviey> superm1_: wasn't that me that added the spec?
[11:59] <DaveMorris> oh, they way to easily move around the database settings, and be used by the livecd
[11:59] <superm1_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/secondary-fe-be-autoconfig
[11:59] <Daviey> oh. we might bave dup. specs then
[11:59] <superm1_> Daviey, maybe
[12:00] <superm1_> DaveMorris, yes so say you want to autostart your frontend
[12:00] <superm1_> from live cd
[12:00] <superm1_> you plug in the flash drive, put the cd in and start
[12:00] <superm1_> and then when it comes to X
[12:00] <superm1_> it automatically would start mythfrontend based on the info on the flash drive
[12:00] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, did you see the autodiscovery patch for mythfrontend?
[12:00] <maniacxs> DaveMorris: I saw your reply to the ticket. Checking in the database directly was easier for me, because i do not know where to set it in the fe. It is possible to set it in the FE or was it the mythtv-setup on the FE, too.
[12:01] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: does it work?!
[12:01] <DaveMorris> the other option could be for the backend to export it as nfs, and the livecd mounts it that way
[12:01] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, does it work?!
[12:01] <superm1_> Daviey, beat me again!
[12:01] <tgm4883_laptop> it says it works
[12:01] <superm1_> its on trunk only though right?
[12:01] <tgm4883_laptop> although it doesn't work for secondary backends
[12:01] <Daviey> superm1_: don't lie - you cpied/pasted my line :)
[12:02] <Daviey> does it just ping the subnet?
[12:02] <DaveMorris> maniacxs: I couldn't find it on the frontend, it maybe in mythtv-setup
[12:02] <tgm4883_laptop> i talked with the guys over at mythtv-users, aparently it acts as a upnp frontend
[12:02] <superm1_> or use avahi?
[12:02] <tgm4883_laptop> i have the convo over at my desktop
[12:02] <tgm4883_laptop> although we didn't get into that too much as i just wanted to know if it also worked for a backend
[12:03] <maniacxs> good night
[12:03] <superm1_> well if that patch really works, that'd be awesome to put on ubuntu
[12:03] <superm1_> so that we can detect backends that easily
[12:03] <Daviey> and mount samba/nfs :)
[12:03] <tgm4883_laptop> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3293 for those who haven't seen it
[12:03] <DaveMorris> I'd say share the databse config file via nfs
[12:04] <DaveMorris> and mount it, rather than using usbsticks
[12:04] <superm1_> why hasnt it been touched upon in the last 2 months i wonder
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> I figure with that, and probably the low likelyhood of people adding secondary backends, it makes the spec i wrote either low priority or no priority
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe because "The code in the patch is completely functional, and only needs cosmetic changes" ?
[12:05] <Daviey> how many people using mythbuntu will have secondary backends?
[12:05] <superm1_> "With this patch, the frontend starts to participate in the UPnP protocol as a AVMediaRenderer. A full implementation at this time would make the patch too complex. If this, or a modified version of this patch gets committed, I will add the remaining classes to stub out all services needed for a fully compliant UPnP Renderer. (However, this patch does make the frontend a discoverable device)."
[12:05] <superm1_> that is what sticks out to me
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, not many i figure
[12:05] <superm1_> the frontend performs a lot differently then
[12:06] <DaveMorris> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/disklessfrontend <- what you guys think?
[12:06] <Daviey> DaveMorris: sounds good
[12:06] <superm1_> DaveMorris, ooh that can get complex to put into an installer
[12:06] <laga> DaveMorris: that'd be great, although complex. there are a few packages out there that'll simplify such a task.
[12:06] <laga> maybe we can use the LTSP stuff
[12:06] <Daviey> although not sure it should be part of ubiquity
[12:06] <Daviey> superm1_: grr!
[12:07] <superm1_> laga, what it really comes down to is just exporting a NFSROOT for the install
[12:07] <DaveMorris> yeah, it wouldn't be in the installer, the installer would pull the packages down for it
[12:08] <laga> superm1_: ooh, what about PXE, etherboot, dhcpd? :'(
[12:08] <superm1_> well you dont have to go that route
[12:08] <Daviey> DaveMorris: maybe part of mythbuntu control centre :)
[12:08] <superm1_> flash card
[12:08] <superm1_> sd/compact flash
[12:08] <superm1_> that has the kernel
[12:08] <laga> superm1_: that's no fun
[12:08] <Daviey> kernel can just as easily be dl from pxe
[12:08] <laga> it took me ages to figure out netbooting :)
[12:08] <DaveMorris> PXE asks the dhcped server for where to download from
[12:08] <superm1_> same with mine
[12:09] <superm1_> but most routers wont tell that info
[12:09] <DaveMorris> and you can have more than one dhcp server on a network
[12:09] <superm1_> how do you make that second server non authoritative?
[12:09] <superm1_> but still give out the info
[12:09] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Not if configured both as primary
[12:09] <DaveMorris> you can tell the backend one to only answer PXE requests
[12:09] <DaveMorris> I belive anyway
[12:09] <laga> superm1_: it can be done, AFAIK
[12:10] <Daviey> cool, maybe thats a gutsy+0.5
[12:10] <DaveMorris> well it would def be a bouns over the other distros
[12:10] <superm1_> DaveMorris, do you have a copy of the latest iso and the old one handy?
[12:10] <superm1_> can you try that rsync trick?
[12:10] <Daviey> diff sync?
[12:10] <superm1_> yea diff rsync an iso image
[12:11] <DaveMorris> I  have the 1386 one we seeded, is there a newer one now
[12:11] <Daviey> binary diff
[12:11] <Daviey> - bsdiff ?
[12:11] <superm1_> dont know what it was called
[12:11] <DaveMorris> Daviey:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[12:11] <superm1_> it was on the wiki page
[12:12] <Daviey> nice..
[12:12] <superm1_> DaveMorris, haven't generated a new one as of yet.  want that db problem fixed first
[12:12] <superm1_> and i've got a firmware page that needs cleanup yet too
[12:12] <Daviey> i had an idea.. 'check latest' and if plausiable apt-get upgrade on livecd ? :)
[12:12] <DaveMorris> then I can't rsync the diffs ;)
[12:12] <superm1_> well there are other ones
[12:12] <superm1_> on mythbuntu.org/
[12:12] <superm1_> /files/iso
[12:15] <DaveMorris> I think they need to be the same name
[12:15] <laga> how much traffic did mythbunto.org have because of digg?
[12:15] <superm1_> DaveMorris, mv OLDFILE NEWFILE ?
[12:15] <DaveMorris> grrr
[12:16] <superm1_> laga, yesterday - 400 something GB of full downloads
[12:16] <laga> nice :)
[12:16] <superm1_> and some 3.2TB the last 2 days total of partial
[12:16] <superm1_> 200 something the day before that on full downloads
[12:16] <DaveMorris> superm1 wasn't that unviewd data
[12:16] <DaveMorris> such as wget's
[12:16] <superm1_> DaveMorris, it was HTTP206 Partial Content
[12:16] <Daviey> not included the mirrors or torrents
[12:16] <superm1_> so it could have been
[12:17] <superm1_> 1500 something iso's from the website
[12:17] <Daviey> wow
[12:17] <superm1_> +amount on mirrors and torrents
[12:17] <laga> nice :)
[12:17] <superm1_> majoridiot said he is still seeding today, with a constant 200kb/s upload
[12:17] <superm1_> to a ton of people
[12:17] <Daviey> :)
[12:17] <Daviey> popey upped over 15Gb
[12:18] <DaveMorris> I can see 29 seeders and 10 leechers
[12:18] <Daviey> (that was early this morning, maybe more now)
[12:18] <Daviey> last night he was upping 1Mb/s IIRC
[12:18] <laga> i get "[14:52:31]  rejected by tracker - Tracker error 3" all the time in my bt client on mythwiki.de :(
[12:19] <Daviey> they're gonna get you
[12:20] <Daviey> you have one!?