[12:35] tgm4883, did you want to take over any of these specs at all that we are preparing? [12:36] Not yet, I have west coast finals comming up these next 2 weeks so I don't want to commit to something that im not prepared to complete [12:36] K. [12:36] then i should be free [12:37] didnt want to leave you out :) [12:37] thanks [12:37] anyone know what ever happened to bendailey? [12:37] !seen bendailey [12:37] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen bendailey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [12:37] he wanted to help out, and such, but hasnt been around for ages [12:38] i know majoridiot is swamped in work stuff with a big case lately [12:40] I've been seeing him in here whilst you've been sleeping superm1 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:41] man i'm off IRC for like 6 hours a day, and of course thats when he stops in [12:42] well if you see him around again, ask him if he is interested on taking up something and committing to a few weeks [12:42] we've to a variety of specs that are going to need to be filled [12:42] i'll file some more later this evening === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:51] nice.... site is suddenly really responsive === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:53] just from pointing to that mirro? [12:53] yep [12:53] see the funny thing [12:53] last night before i went to bed [12:53] i was talking to imbrandon [12:53] and he mentioned that he moved his other server to lighttpd [12:54] and i said that we should hold off moving to it until needing it [12:54] heh === superm1 smacks himself in the head now [12:54] not sure that is the big issue... think it was bandwidth! [12:54] hope the other guy like having his server hammered [12:54] it was bandwidth [12:54] the iso's where making the site unusable [12:55] if the new mirror starts respinding slowly, i'll move it back [12:55] i wish the logs would finish parsing [12:55] I suggest we have 2 different machines, 1 with the iso's on, running a bit torrent tracker as well, the other with the site and apt repo's [12:56] hmm [12:57] well next time we'll have time to get us all a copy [12:57] and seeding too [12:57] we can probably run the tracker right from there [12:57] we seeding the amd64 yet? [12:57] well announce *only* torrent until hype goes [12:58] DaveMorris: is there a need to seed amd54? [12:58] demand is quite low imho [12:58] DaveMorris, but that image doesnt have ubiquity and usplash i thought? [12:58] I dont even have the amd64 iso [12:58] true, but its only an alpha, ppl are grabbing it to have a look [12:58] i wget'ed it to mythbuntu.org but its just sitting in my home directory === DaveMorris still hasn't installed it once himself yet [12:59] 763 diggs now === superm1 has installed it too many times in VMs [01:00] question, since we release with ubuntu releases are we trying to also release with the tribe releases? [01:01] "No LIRC support? What's the point then? Getting the remote and IR blaster functions working is easily the most difficult part of setting up MythTV, involving compiling kernel modules and manually editing a text file to map all the remote buttons. If the Mytbuntu team hasn't automated the process, as the LinuxMCE guys did, then what's the difference between this release and just installing Feisty and then getting the MythTV packages throu [01:01] gh Synaptic?" [01:01] the linuxmce guys have a lirc mapper?? [01:01] does the poster not reliase its only an alpha [01:01] he was reminded [01:02] nice to have your efforts bashed [01:02] my favorite is "These guys should focus on helping the xbmc linux port." [01:03] haha [01:03] yea i saw that one too [01:03] I gave that a thumbs down [01:04] >>* The standalone backend advanced options remove too much and take out the backend too! [01:04] what do they mean there? [01:04] thats in the known issues [01:04] for that ubiquity biuld [01:04] its hackishly solved in the current ubiquity build [01:04] its fixed in the amd64 one [01:04] DaveMorris, assuming you can get away without a 64 bit ubiquity build :) [01:05] where is the new amd64 iso, i'll throw it up in the vm [01:05] http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/ [01:05] for now === majoridiot [n=majoridi@74-141-134-199.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:05] "I get that it's an alpha. I don't get why they'd bother releasing something that essentially does nothing. They've apparently built a GUI that automates a process that can be performed with less than ten terminal commands." [01:06] we didn't digg it [01:06] there isn't even a digg it button with the rss feed [01:06] a few guys even blogged it too [01:06] DaveMorris: but there is on the site [01:06] "I hope Mythbuntu's method of setting up the hard drives is a far cry better than Knoppmyth's installer." how does the knoopix one do it? [01:06] ok i'll have it in 10 minutes. Is there an md5sum DaveMorris? [01:07] DaveMorris, dunno. Something ncurses i'd think [01:07] tgm4883, refresh [01:07] DaveMorris: hda1 = / hda3 = /myth IIRC [01:07] i put that there too [01:07] quite nice imho [01:07] yeah superm1 never grabbed it http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/mythbuntu/ [01:07] yes i did [01:07] ha [01:07] thanks [01:07] DaveMorris, :) [01:07] Hey majoridiot made it in [01:07] hows it going? [01:07] hi majoridiot [01:07] can we ask if the user if they have 2 hard drvies installed, and make the larger drive for recordings [01:07] nuts. [01:08] I'd recommend using 2 drivers for users [01:08] have a few so i thought i'd drop in [01:08] as myth seems to burn through hard drives [01:08] DaveMorris, the partitioner is going to be a huge mess..... [01:08] i dont have any idea how its going to be done [01:08] right now its just using standard ubuntu partitioner [01:08] majoridiot, shoot [01:08] *bang* [01:09] somehow i misread your statement. i thought you said you had a few ideas [01:09] no a few moments [01:09] ah lol [01:10] i read it the same as you superm1 :) [01:10] always have ideas... just not the time to do anything with them :S [01:10] so to make up for that. think of a few ideas that we should write more specs [01:10] I read as I've had a few ie drinks [01:10] lol [01:10] funny how we all interpreted that [01:10] DaveMorris- i wish. [01:10] must say somtehing about whats on all our minds' or something [01:11] $ sudo apt-get install beer [01:11] superm1: blue print link, I will book mark it [01:11] exec -o sudo apt-get install beer === DaveMorris can never find his way around LP [01:11] :( [01:11] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ [01:11] E: Couldn't find package beer [01:11] that is for mythbuntu [01:11] and this is the mythtv one [01:11] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/ [01:12] whats https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ then? [01:12] ~mythbuntu is the team [01:12] ^ what he said [01:12] and mythbuntu is the project IIRC [01:12] ah that reminds me [01:13] what did we find out about the perl bindings superm1? [01:13] tgm4883, they are supported on trunk, and gardengnome is going to add them to his trunk packaging [01:13] nothing about them working on -fixes [01:13] ah [01:13] so it should work with the alpha? [01:13] but once he adds them to trunk packaging, i'll poke some more [01:13] well the alpha is still using -fixes [01:13] just a newer -fixes [01:14] ok [01:14] unless 0.21 is released [01:14] which gardengnome indicated that Chutt wants to release it [01:14] that its been a whlie [01:14] hmm - leechers bleeding off [01:14] alright so majoridiot if there was something you really wanted to see on mythbuntu, what is it? [01:15] what would make it shine above the rest [01:15] other than its done by us of course [01:16] sec... phone :( [01:16] auto dectedtion of shared music/films over limewire like rhythbox does [01:17] auto dection of nfs which can be mounted [01:17] Can NFS shares be probed? [01:17] I think they actually can [01:17] well that does bring another idea i was considering up though [01:17] setting up samba during install [01:18] with some sane shares [01:18] and sane permissions [01:18] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/partitioner [01:19] Looks great DaveMorris [01:19] we could prehaps have a small meta package for your desktop, which installs the nfs stuff and sorts out the exporting so your frontend/backends can find it [01:19] so much for this... gotta take a conf. call for work :( [01:20] i'll be back asap [01:20] cu majoridiot [01:20] biab [01:20] i can definately forsee that fitting into Daviey 's installer then too [01:20] *control centre === DaveMorris hopes majoridiot works on the american contient [01:20] he does [01:20] superm1: daviey's installer is for the backends [01:21] atm my desktop shares my music via nfs to my mythfrontend [01:21] well how about this then? [01:21] that control centre [01:21] so it'll be a package which goes on a non myth box [01:21] can detect the type of install you have [01:21] Then something that is gnomeish [01:21] dont they have something like that already [01:22] in gnome to export nfs shares? [01:22] do they? [01:22] right click a folder [01:22] i swear they do === DaveMorris checks [01:22] I had a thought that recently came to me in a forum thread [01:22] yea it offers to setup nfs or samba [01:22] for you when you do that [01:23] tgm4883, shoot [01:23] superm1: It needs nfs or smba installed [01:23] although i haven't even set it up so I dont know if it works or now [01:23] not [01:23] mine only offers to share via nfs [01:23] DaveMorris, but does install them for you during that gui [01:23] oh mine offers to install services for both [01:23] and then go from there [01:24] Hmm.. if you can autoprobe a backend nfs/samba that would be awesome [01:24] You can probe for shares [01:24] could store mysql.txt [01:24] if you have the right utils installed [01:24] and perhaps it already works or is implemented, but what about UPnP devices being able to connect to the mythbackend (specifically the xbox 360) [01:24] ooh export the mysql.txt [01:24] on the backend [01:24] tgm4883, that is in the works [01:25] ah [01:25] superm1: that's a great idea, why didn't i think of that [01:25] trunk has much improved support for it [01:25] Daviey, get a spec on launchpad [01:25] for it [01:25] heh [01:25] i didn't even know you could connect to a linux box from the 360 until the other day [01:26] who made https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/firmware-finder ? [01:26] Me [01:26] cool [01:26] i've got a buddy that might do it, and then it will be a button in your control centre [01:27] oh, why have we got 'Answers' switched off? === superm1 really likes typing centre rather than center. he feels more cultured [01:27] that's great superm1, maybe we an wean you from the abuse of lanugae that is English (USA) [01:27] hmm, is the control center gonna run on the backend? [01:27] Daviey, we'll have a forums section opened up eventually on ubuntuforums [01:28] or be an app you can install on any box to control the backend === DaveMorris prefers the 2nd option [01:28] or web page backend control === tgm4883 prefers center. If he wanted to be cultured he would be in a petre dish [01:28] the way I understood it, it will be on any mythbuntu box [01:29] and it will configure things commonly done [01:29] like lirc [01:29] and calling mythtv-setup [01:29] and opening nvidia or ati control panels [01:29] but a frontend won't have mythtv-setup ;) [01:29] so it will have to find a way to figure out what kind of box its on [01:29] once the meta is done [01:30] debconf can store that info [01:30] its stored in ubiquity atm === DaveMorris is trying to think of ways his customerized his myth setup [01:31] during nvidia driver install, we will have to make sure xvmc is preconfigured [01:32] (once driver install is figured out of course) [01:32] what would be really nice is if you had a big NAS and a smaller mythbox. It records a show, then once it's done, it moves the file to the NAS, and symblinks to it. [01:32] but thats a very corner setup [01:32] for someone to have that [01:33] corner setup ? [01:33] corner case setup [01:33] like a particular setup that not a lot of users will necessarily have [01:33] I don't know the term [01:33] yes, but we could also offer it as a setup [01:33] but they need to have a NAS then [01:34] or just a another box with a load of disks [01:34] and nfs [01:34] why not just record directly over the network to the alternate box then? [01:34] would have to be with 0.21 and muliple storage locations though [01:34] superm1: wasn't sure if it'd be quick enough [01:35] this whole looming 0.21 thing is going to be the bane of our existance i think [01:35] with our luck it will come out like 5 days after our release [01:36] I jsut thought of it as a advanced option [01:36] right [01:36] some people can easily do the basic stuff, and wanna be 'cool' by having the harder stuff [01:37] these 'cool' people can normally afford the extra hardware [01:37] would 5 days after our release be better or worse than 5 days before? [01:37] haha [01:37] i think so [01:37] because 5 days before, we have time to fix it [01:37] anyway I need to sleep [01:37] 5 days after, that means that we have to go back [01:37] and fix it [01:37] after people downloaded it a lot [01:37] night DaveMorris [01:38] ah we would go back and implement it [01:38] I thnink Daviey has already sneek off [01:38] that Daviey character [01:38] can we really trust him....... ;) [01:39] hmm, any chance of putting our logo on the login screen? [01:40] hmm, i think there is something wrong with the 64-bit iso [01:40] whys that? [01:40] i seem to be stuck in a loop [01:40] tgm4883, i've got that figured out already [01:40] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5397 [01:41] tgm4883 you have amd64 then? [01:41] yea [01:41] I'll test it tomorrow at work, but where is the loop stuck then? [01:41] DaveMorris, if you rebuild, you can compare the log to this one [01:41] http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/buildlog [01:41] that is the last build that was done on pegasus [01:42] my roomate has a collection of ppc boxes. i might try to snag one of those [01:43] and get a ppc build made too [01:43] tgm4883 where does it get stuck? [01:44] after you reboot right after installing, it goes into the myth setup for language and database configuration. After the second page of database configuration it restarts the window manager and sticks you right back into the language chooser [01:44] tgm4883, I think i know what that is [01:44] when you did install though [01:44] did you get options [01:44] for fe/be [01:44] no [01:44] and be only and fe only? [01:45] then this build isnt good anyhow [01:45] it doesnt have the newer ubiquity [01:45] which works around a ton of that [01:46] oh well [01:46] def off to bed now [01:46] night all [01:46] nn [01:57] :( [01:57] ? [01:57] trying the 32bit iso and the installer crashed [01:57] yick [01:57] what were you doing? [01:58] Installing in my VM, I selected an advanced install. Primary fe/be, and unselected a variety of plugins [01:59] right [01:59] and just poof [01:59] right there? [01:59] no, it installed somethings...let me get the syslog and partman [02:01] where should i put these logs? [02:01] well what was the last stepthat it reached [02:01] so i know if they are worth looking at [02:02] Installing system, 83%, configuring mythtv [02:02] ooh not good. [02:03] okay do this [02:03] in that env [02:03] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y [02:03] it will install the new ubiquity [02:03] make sure that doesnt happen again [02:03] with it [02:03] ok [02:05] the newer ubiquity has some other preliminary magic put in related to mysql as well [02:06] about copying settings from the live env in [02:06] if you start the frontend and want to install it [02:07] installers running again [02:09] nope, crashed as soon as it hit 83% [02:10] what VM are u using? [02:10] vmware-player [02:10] OK. havent tried in there myself [02:10] only virtual box [02:10] built the machine on easyvmx.com [02:10] i'll have to see whats happening [02:11] can u pastebin the syslog? [02:11] yea [02:11] what do you think of the interface so far? [02:11] going the right direction? [02:11] looks good [02:11] few things [02:12] few things wrong, or few options? [02:12] the explanations of the different options dont show up in their entirety in the installer, and [02:12] oh no, that came back [02:12] for like the headings [02:12] at the top [02:12] i thought i nailed that before [02:13] what editiors do i have available to get the logs? [02:13] nano [02:13] vi [02:13] cat, more etc [02:13] ah [02:14] you can install anything in there though [02:14] gedit kate scite, if you need [02:14] how do i select the whole file in nano? [02:14] im use to gedit :) [02:14] install gedit then :) [02:17] ok, i haven't used pastebin before, but don't you just copy it in there and send? [02:17] paste it there [02:17] submit [02:17] and you get a url [02:17] which you put here [02:17] yea, not working [02:17] queryfailure [02:18] try another pastebin site then [02:18] there are dozens of them [02:18] !pastebin [02:18] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [02:19] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24512 [02:20] you said you chose a Master FE/BE right? [02:20] yea [02:20] primary [02:21] well i have a feeling there is a typo in there then [02:21] crap [02:21] yea primary backend w/ fronend. The first option [02:21] where patternline is chosen [02:21] should i try a different option? [02:22] Yes [02:22] i think i know where the typo might be too [02:23] ok, its doing master backend so i don't have to look up my mysql database password [02:23] yup i know exactly what it is [02:23] wow i'm shocked that i didnt catch this before [02:23] thats what im here for ;) [02:24] if you do a std install, the problem wouldnt have occurred [02:24] if there is one thing im good at it is installing OS's [02:24] or if you do any other kind of advanced [02:24] thanks a lot! very good find [02:24] np [02:26] one question, in adding another backend or frontend. The info you need for the new machine would be your a) database password, and b) your master backend address, anything else? [02:27] i dont think so [02:27] yep, shot right by 83% [02:27] ok [02:28] i had an idea, but not sure it was worth it (stole it from windows anyway) [02:28] well shoot [02:28] cant hurt [02:29] figured what if we could store those settings in a file on a usb key or something, then when installing a new machine, it could grab those settings from the key instead of the user having to go get them [02:29] i've been trying to think how that could be implementd [02:29] would probably be a benefit for network manager users too [02:29] maybe a boot option, choose your device [02:30] could it be something in the myth setup that checks for that file? (similar to the windows unattended installs) [02:31] but where would be that standard locatoin? [02:31] perhaps automount flash drives [02:31] ah [02:32] and crawl through /media ? [02:32] that could be a possibility I guess [02:32] yea it could crawl though, then if none is found fall back to a default [02:32] thats what windows does I think === tgm4883 shudders [02:32] tgm4883, could you throw a spec up on launchpad for that? [02:32] i suppose [02:33] during the login procedure that file can be looked for in /media and parsed [02:33] and then if it is found, either auto start a frontend [02:33] or autostart ubiquity [02:35] spec == blueprint? [02:35] yes [02:36] do you have to be a team member to do so? I dont think im a team member [02:36] i'll add you then [02:36] there you go [02:37] thanks [02:50] digg results are in...... 413.84 GB content went out today [02:51] wow [02:51] along with 3288.95GB "partial content" [02:51] blueprint is done [02:51] did we really put out 3.2TB? [02:51]