=== Catoptromancy [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === bun-bun [n=bun@unaffiliated/bun-bun] has joined #xubuntu [12:34] is there an applet for xubuntu for configuring wireless network stuff? === aliasrush [n=aliasrus@cpe-024-211-104-040.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:36] bun-bun: not as of yet, you can try either wifi-radar or nm-applet === Nikilos [n=niki@168-103-157-233.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:37] Hello [12:37] Nikilos: hi [12:37] I was wondering if anyone could help me with making Gimpshop work? [12:37] why not just use theGimp? === kikr [n=ant@ool-435499fc.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:38] I wanted to try using Gimpshop [12:38] Nikilos: i dunno to be honest, never tried it [12:38] maxamillion: becuase gimp is not a free photoshop :) [12:38] TheSheep: but gimpshop is just theGimp with a photoshop-like interface [12:39] Right, and 'tis why I want to use it [12:39] i unfortunately can't help you .... i've never touched it [12:39] maxamillion: it's as if you made emacs with WOrd's interface === Megadeus [n=Megadeus@r74-192-167-113.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:39] I ran the .deb, and it said it installed. I opened GIMP, but I didn't see a difference except with the loading image which now said "Gimpshop"... === [Lightning] [n=chatzill@86.104.181.22] has joined #xubuntu [12:40] <[Lightning] > problem solved after many attempts [12:41] Nikilos: try examining what files that .deb installed [12:41] Nikilos: and running the binary from a terminal [12:41] <[Lightning] > misconfiguration by various apps [12:41] [Lightning] : what was it? [12:41] ah [12:41] <[Lightning] > firewall rules [12:41] [Lightning] : apps supported by ubuntu? [12:41] <[Lightning] > and i edited some config files also [12:42] The files that were installed were mostly in the /usr/doc and /usr/local folders [12:43] <[Lightning] > i don't know if they are supported, i don't even know wich one did it but after trying to configure the itables directly with limited knowlege and with some tools i managed to get it woking properly [12:43] <[Lightning] > i read the help wich comes with ubuntu and gave me a lot of info [12:44] [Lightning] : one step lcoser to a pro admin job :) === [Lightning] feels the need for a powerful firewall for linux wich doesn't require a lot of experience [12:44] [Lightning] : linux has a powerful firewall build in [12:44] <[Lightning] > yes [12:44] <[Lightning] > but not an easy one :D [12:45] [Lightning] : the apps are only wrppers for config [12:45] <[Lightning] > indeed [12:45] <[Lightning] > something like kerio personal would be nice [12:45] [Lightning] : well, you know where the code is, get to work :) [12:46] <[Lightning] > with clear rules and wich doesn't mess up your existing config but probably in timp i'll get used to iptables [12:46] <[Lightning] > hehe :D [12:46] [Lightning] : you might want to contact an existing project and give them some feedback [12:46] <[Lightning] > btw [12:46] [Lightning] : you can help even with 0 programming knowledge [12:46] <[Lightning] > gnome-lokkit crashes [12:47] !bugs | [Lightning] [12:47] [Lightning] : If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots [12:47] <[Lightning] > i have programming knowlege just not in langs frquently used in unix world [12:47] [Lightning] : any lang will do [12:47] [Lightning] : even visual basic === [Lightning] wishes to get windows out of his head === doenner [n=denis@91.150.108.34] has joined #xubuntu [12:48] python's easy. [12:48] <[Lightning] > is gnome-lokkit supported ? [12:48] <[Lightning] > by ubuntu i mean [12:49] it's supported by someone, the bugs will be forwarded [12:49] even if it's not "oficially" supported === [Lightning] is very tired it's 2 in the morning here :( [12:50] <[Lightning] > thank you for the help [12:51] <[Lightning] > bye [12:55] Here's a question: What's the oldest computer you've successfully installed Xubuntu on? [12:56] Megadeus: 200mhz pentium, 64mb of ram, 2gb hdd === Nikilos [n=niki@168-103-157-233.tukw.qwest.net] has left #xubuntu [] [12:56] wow. [12:56] Megadeus: but that's just me personally [12:56] p90 60MB ram [12:56] That gives me hope. [12:56] it took some time ;) [12:57] Megadeus: not very productive [12:58] I'm relatively new to linux and ubuntu, and was having trouble installing regular ubuntu 7.04 on an old hewlett-packard with a Pentium 3 and 128 ram and a 10gb hard drive today. [12:58] so I'm going to try Xubuntu later today. [12:59] Megadeus: use the alternate cd [12:59] Okay, thanks for the advice. [12:59] Yeah, the regular CD wouldn't boot at all. [12:59] Do you recommend 7.04 or 6.10? [12:59] 7.04 [01:00] Cool. Thanks. [01:00] anytime [01:01] good night [01:02] TheSheep: night [01:02] Is there anything special I should know about using the Alternate CD? [01:03] Megadeus: nope, just read it as you go .. its rather straight forward, just isn't as pretty [01:03] Haha. Thanks. [01:03] Well, thanks for the help: I'm out. === Megadeus [n=Megadeus@r74-192-167-113.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has left #xubuntu [] [01:04] i think its quite pretty [01:04] i think its elegant [01:04] but not as pretty [01:05] Anyone see the colors ? [01:05] ? [01:05] Q: when a new version of xubuntu is released, does the system upgrade automatically, if not, how to do that and will my system be the "same" afterwoods? [01:06] no, edit your sources.list change the name of the version to the next like "edgy" to "feisty" and then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [01:06] doenner: no it doesn't upgrade automatically, and yes all your settings will be the same [01:06] and it should be just the same === Merchelo_ [n=Merchelo@deathray.redbrick.dcu.ie] has joined #xubuntu [01:08] doenner: only thing that might change is the desktop theme if you use the default [01:08] ah, ok. thx for the quick answers. when is the next big release? === Merchelo_ is now known as Merchelo [01:08] october? [01:08] you mean, if they change the standard theme? [01:08] doenner: right [01:09] doenner: but if you choose a non-default one, it won't change due to an upgrade [01:09] well it changes a little each release [01:09] doesnt it ? [01:10] Jester45: yes [01:11] i forgot how to check my current version of xubuntu [01:12] doenner run uname -r and tell us what it says [01:12] 2.6.17-11-generic [01:12] i think i have two kernels installed [01:13] the other is 2.6.17-10-generic i think [01:13] that would be edgy i think [01:13] yes, its *-10* [01:13] doenner: that's fine, when you get the upgrade it keeps the old one just incase the new one breaks something, it will always default to the newest kernel you have installed [01:13] i noticed that [01:13] doenner: yeah, 2.6.17 is edgy, fesity is 2.6.20 [01:13] whats the difference? [01:14] the new one is better :) [01:14] feisty's current is 2.6.20-16 [01:14] to be more exact [01:15] or -15 if you didnt update [01:15] RandomDestructn, hehe [01:15] 2.6.20-15-386 [01:15] thats why its telling me I should reboot [01:15] i remember downloading the 6.06 instal cd [01:15] beh, some day. [01:15] yea pretty much just better, now 2.4 -> 2.6 is diffrent [01:15] the page says, thats dapper drake [01:16] doenner press alt+F1 [01:16] Jester45, and sometimes worse. There were a string of kernals that made my system not boot a while back. [01:17] i get the xfce documentation, Jester45 [01:17] yea, what version does it say [01:18] 4.2 === Nikilos [n=niki@168-103-157-233.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:25] Hi all, again, I was wondering if there is a plugin for GIMPShop on Linux to put all of its windows under one window? [01:25] yea Nikilos i will look for a link [01:26] Thank you [01:27] http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads/gimpshop_2.2.11-1_i386.deb [01:27] download that and double click the file [01:28] Thanks [01:28] Wait, is this the download for GIMPShop? [01:29] yes [01:30] On Linux, is there a way to change it so the GIMPShop windows are all in one window? [01:30] you cant just add a plugin for the gimp [01:31] Yes, I understand that [01:32] So it's not possible in Linux as the moment? [01:37] well its possible [01:37] now, how hard im not sure [01:37] Hmm ok [01:37] Well, thanks anyway === Nikilos [n=niki@168-103-157-233.tukw.qwest.net] has left #xubuntu [] [01:46] how to disable restricted/propietary drivers by command?! [01:46] kj0ttdeig: add them to your blacklist.custom and the modules won't load [01:50] so how could i do that in command line? [01:57] by pressing the right keys :P [02:06] :p [02:06] any ideas on what the name on the pack could be? then i could do: sudo apt-get remove packname [02:07] it was something about ati or fxgl or something === T` [n=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu === doenner [n=denis@91.150.108.34] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-135-179.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-135-179.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p54B96A9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === T` [n=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu === doenner [n=denis@91.150.108.34] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === riq [n=riq@20151129081.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_ [n=vidd@static-72-86-132-125.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_ is now known as vidd_laptop [04:13] how do you find a process on the command line when it is too far down on the list for top? [04:19] could adjust terminal to show more lines [04:19] default was 100 or 200 [04:20] I set mine for like 2000, you can scroll up real far [04:32] Use htop; it has support for scrolling. [04:33] Pumpernickel, ty...i will try that [04:33] is it installed by default? [04:33] Nope. [04:35] Pumpernickel, that is sweet tyvm === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-84-11.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === homebrewcider [n=mal001@219-90-136-205.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [04:47] hey guys to install mp3 support, what packages do I need to install [04:47] please [04:49] homebrewcider: this may help you: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs [04:49] thanx [04:49] checking now [04:50] i gotta go . . . have a good night, all === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-84-11.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu [] === Zabii [n=j@cpe-76-181-196-81.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:10] hi [05:10] i decided to put xubuntu on my old crappy pc [05:10] will i have to install drivers for my ethernet, or will it use default ones [05:11] hello?? [05:11] lol [05:12] It will provide ethernet drivers. [05:12] cool [05:13] im gonna use synergy to control it and my other vista machine from my main vista machine [05:13] :P [05:13] ive used linux at school [05:13] and figured linux was cooler for my old pos pc than xp === maxamillion [n=adam@mobile-166-217-186-235.mycingular.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:14] should it lag up on cleaning up... [05:14] on the install [05:14] 87% [05:15] Zabii: its a known bug, it will take a while, but it does finish successfully [05:15] k [05:15] i had to kill a process earlier [05:15] Zabii: oh ... hmmm [05:15] it lagged on 65% for 3 hours [05:15] oh there it goes [05:15] Zabii: yeah, on some language pack? [05:15] glad i took pc os and security at school [05:16] yeah it did [05:16] wtf is a grub package [05:16] lol [05:16] Zabii: grub is the boot loader .... xubuntu won't boot without it ;) [05:16] oic [05:16] !info grub [05:16] grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-20ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 370 kB, installed size 824 kB [05:16] k [05:16] so hey [05:17] normal linux programs will run [05:17] correct [05:17] Zabii: there is an alternative called LiLO, but nobody uses it anymore ... [05:17] Zabii: yeah, they should without an issue [05:17] i need to run synergy [05:17] having 2 keyboards and mice on my 3 machine desktop is much [05:17] what's synergy? [05:17] ohhh yeah [05:18] synergy will run fine, i think it might even be in the repositories [05:18] i run 2 vista boxes and 1 xubuntu now [05:18] once it loads [05:18] it keeps telling my bios is to old [05:18] lol [05:18] !info synergy [05:18] synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 593 kB, installed size 1460 kB [05:18] yup [05:18] i use it now for my two vista machines [05:18] its nice [05:18] Zabii: yup, you can just install it with aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, etc. [05:18] ew, vista machines .... i'm sorry [05:18] i love vista [05:19] but i enjoy linux [05:19] its fun [05:19] Zabii: really? [05:19] yup [05:19] been running linux since rc2 [05:19] legal copies [05:19] ms loves me [05:19] lol [05:19] Zabii: i don't like microsoft but i can atleast admit that XP was a solid distro, but vista ... i just can't stand it [05:19] ooh linux just booted === Zabii looks in awe [05:19] omg i hate that pc [05:19] its so slow [05:19] lol [05:21] will it autoload usb mice [05:22] i cant really use this mouse i have for it [05:22] yeah, it will autoload alot of things [05:22] wheres my taskbar [05:22] o.o [05:22] lol [05:22] i used ubuntu at school [05:22] lol [05:22] thats why im lost now [05:22] my xubuntu install at work autoloads the microsoft usb keyboard that my boss ordered for me (though windows needs drivers for it ironically) === homebrewcider [n=mal001@219-90-136-205.ip.adam.com.au] has left #xubuntu [] [05:23] lol there it is [05:23] i have to scroll up [05:23] lol [05:24] :) [05:24] Zabii: xubuntu _is_ ubuntu, just with a different desktop environment and a different set of default applications [05:24] i need more ram [05:24] 64m is not much [05:25] so if i clicked firefox [05:25] it should be loading right [05:26] how do i configure net [05:26] lol [05:27] Zabii: that machine hooked up to ethernet with dhcp? [05:27] dunno [05:27] its hooked up to this machine tho [05:27] ics from windows [05:27] Zabii: do "ifconfig" in the command line and see if the ethernet port has an ip address === Forte|I_HATE_VB [n=j@cpe-76-181-196-81.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:28] well [05:28] im Zabii [05:28] i got dced [05:29] rgr [05:29] nice, i hate VB too :) [05:29] omg whats the network admin pw [05:29] Forte|I_HATE_VB: the password of the first account you setup [05:29] doesnt help that i keep typing on the wrong keyboard [05:29] oic [05:30] Forte|I_HATE_VB: the first account you setup is the "admin account" [05:30] how much is really old pc ram [05:30] lol [05:30] Forte|I_HATE_VB: technically the "sudo" account, which gives it root-like privilages without actually having to have a root account enabled ... its more secure by design [05:30] !sudo [05:30] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. [05:32] ooh i like it when it gives me a little bar [05:32] thats moving [05:32] that means it might just work [05:32] well [05:32] xscreensaver huh [05:33] !info xscreensaver [05:33] xscreensaver: Automatic screensaver for X. In component main, is optional. Version 4.24-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 276 kB, installed size 2216 kB [05:33] lol [05:33] k [05:34] Forte|I_HATE_VB: you can edit the xscreensaver config from the settings manager, there is a screen saver section [05:34] omg it works [05:34] i got net [05:35] should i get more ram [05:35] lol [05:35] i havent used this pc in forever === jgamio [n=jgamio@201.208.147.12] has joined #xubuntu [05:36] "omg it works" ... i should put that on the web page as a testimonial [05:36] :P [05:36] lol [05:36] go for it [05:36] so i need a .rpm [05:36] right [05:36] if i remember from a year ago === Jester45 [n=ryan@d36-102.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:37] omg how do i open it [05:37] lol [05:37] k nm [05:38] wow [05:38] i went so into l33t speak its not funny === cellofello1 [n=josh@69-71-160-171.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:38] noooo!!! [05:38] rpm != xubuntu [05:38] what? [05:38] xubuntu is built on ubuntu, ubuntu is built on debian ... debian uses .deb === cellofello1 is now known as cellofellow [05:38] well damn [05:38] cellofellow: clarifying differences [05:39] how do i get rpm to work [05:39] its the only thing for synergy [05:39] lol [05:39] Forte|I_HATE_VB: uhmmm... make it into a debian package with alien [05:39] !alien [05:39] RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous) [05:39] o noes [05:39] Forte|I_HATE_VB: wait, you can just intall synergy from the repos ... you don't need the rpm package you downloaded [05:39] wheres that at [05:39] :( [05:39] !info synergy [05:39] synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 593 kB, installed size 1460 kB === Forte|I_HATE_VB is now known as Zabii2 [05:39] this is going to be a long night ... [05:40] im sorry max [05:40] Zabii2: its ok [05:40] my ubuntu sucks [05:40] lol [05:40] Zabii2: do this in a terminal "aptitude search synergy" [05:40] Zabii2: you must be a Fedora veteran or something. [05:40] it probably won't return anything because i think we need to change your sources.list ... but one step at a time [05:41] just `sudo aptitude install synergy` [05:41] yeah [05:41] cellofellow: i think i am going to give symphonyOS a shot tomorrow, the mezzo desktop looks interesting [05:41] my pc is messing up for a second [05:41] Zabii2: awesome [05:41] hold up === maxamillion notes his digital sarcasm [05:41] maxamillion: that it does. Yet another thing to install in virtualbox [05:42] wow, so how much ram should i buy for a 1999 pc [05:42] lol [05:42] cellofellow: well, you can just boot .. i think its just a liveCD that also has a hdd install capabilities ... i am curious to see since it is now based on ubuntu if it will support installing software from the repos [05:42] Zabii2: depends on the ram clock speed [05:43] Zabii2: let's do this the easy way: Open Apps => System => Software Sources, enable everything in the Ubuntu tab, and then do the previous command. [05:43] maxamillion: when did SymphonyOS switch from Knoppix to Ubuntu base? [05:43] well it didnt let me install it [05:43] said it cant find it [05:43] lol [05:43] cellofellow: well it switched from knoppix to debian unstable branch and then to ubuntu [05:43] all my boxes are circa 1999. Two have 319MB and that's I all I need to handle. [05:44] Zabii2: do the software sources thing. [05:44] cellofellow: the switch to debian stable happened prior to last release and then the switch to ubuntu just recently happened [05:44] it would be nice if my machine could use laptop ddr ram [05:44] circa 1999? [05:44] i have half a gig o fthat [05:44] of that [05:44] lol [05:44] lol === jordansdad253 [n=ash@70-59-177-163.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:44] maxamillion: that's a lot of switching. [05:44] i upgraded my old laptop to have more [05:44] when i moved to vista for it [05:45] i like all os [05:45] maxamillion: I think one of the boxes has 1998 and 1999 parts. [05:45] cellofellow: yeah, i know [05:45] cept macos [05:45] bah, Vista. [05:45] shh [05:45] dont bah me [05:45] lol [05:45] im not a sheep [05:45] I wasn't. [05:45] TheSheep: you hear that? [05:45] Zabii2: you are in linux town, you are bound to have strange things said at you talking about vista === maxamillion thinks radomir is sleeping [05:46] lol [05:46] i like all os tho [05:46] hey [05:46] all the ubuntu tabs are checked [05:46] hello all [05:46] jordansdad253: hi === _aussieman [n=bobo@161.Red-88-11-215.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:46] ok === Zabii2 is now known as Zabii [05:46] Zabii2: now install the synergy package. [05:47] does anyone know where i can find out how to change the login screen in xubuntu? [05:47] Zabii: ok, now run "sudo aptitude install synergy" in ther terminal and the password it asks for will be your account password [05:47] well wait its doing something with the internet [05:47] jordansdad253: go to Apps -> System -> Login Window and choose a different theme. Lots available on xfce-look.org and gnome-look.org [05:47] im gonna make this a project box [05:48] i got it from my uncle [05:48] maxamillion: we forgot to tell Zabii to aptitude update [05:48] i said hey, when you upgraded your pc [05:48] wheres your old one [05:48] Zabii: ahhhh, that we did [05:48] he said in the basement [05:48] i said give it to me [05:48] lol [05:48] Zabii: nice [05:48] didnt realize it was this bad [05:48] what? [05:48] thanks cellofellow [05:48] my pc [05:49] hey uh, is there an irc ap alot like mirc for linux [05:49] xchat [05:49] Zabii: check out xchat [05:49] k [05:49] ill do that [05:49] bah, Jester45 beat me to it === Jester45 likes to lurk [05:50] dunno what its doin there [05:50] Jester45: you get your fserve thing figured out? [05:50] but its lagged up on the software screen [05:50] no [05:50] but i *might* have a hostinbg sign up [05:50] gtg === cellofellow [n=josh@69-71-160-171.mammothnetworks.com] has left #xubuntu [] [05:50] so whats an aptitude update [05:51] Zabii: you have an terminal open? [05:51] and *might* have a 2nd larger one if vidd is ok with what they have :) [05:51] no im installing updtates [05:51] Zabii, it downloads a list of packages === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #xubuntu [05:51] Zabii: installing updates how? [05:51] or its installing [05:51] im watching [05:51] from software sources [05:51] says im outdated [05:51] Zabii: ohhh, yeah ... the graphical user interface [05:51] so apt knows there is newer ones [05:52] so is it doing what you were gonna have me do === jordansdad253 [n=ash@70-59-177-163.tukw.qwest.net] has left #xubuntu [] [05:52] Zabii: it might be doing part of it, yes [05:52] and the screen close [05:52] lol [05:52] thats good [05:52] now what to do on the command prompt [05:52] er [05:52] Zabii: ok, open a terminal [05:52] terminal [05:52] sorry, dos [05:52] lol === Zabii is a dosman [05:53]