[12:34] <bun-bun> is there an applet for xubuntu for configuring wireless network stuff?
[12:36] <maxamillion> bun-bun: not as of yet, you can try either wifi-radar or nm-applet
[12:37] <Nikilos> Hello
[12:37] <maxamillion> Nikilos: hi
[12:37] <Nikilos> I was wondering if anyone could help me with making Gimpshop work?
[12:37] <maxamillion> why not just use theGimp?
[12:38] <Nikilos> I wanted to try using Gimpshop
[12:38] <maxamillion> Nikilos: i dunno to be honest, never tried it
[12:38] <TheSheep> maxamillion: becuase gimp is not a free photoshop :)
[12:38] <maxamillion> TheSheep: but gimpshop is just theGimp with a photoshop-like interface
[12:39] <Nikilos> Right, and 'tis why I want to use it
[12:39] <maxamillion> i unfortunately can't help you .... i've never touched it
[12:39] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's as if you made emacs with WOrd's interface
[12:39] <Nikilos> I ran the .deb, and it said it installed.  I opened GIMP, but I didn't see a difference except with the loading image which now said "Gimpshop"...
[12:40] <[Lightning] > problem solved after many attempts
[12:41] <TheSheep> Nikilos: try examining what files that .deb installed
[12:41] <TheSheep> Nikilos: and running the binary from a terminal
[12:41] <[Lightning] > misconfiguration by various apps
[12:41] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : what was it?
[12:41] <TheSheep> ah
[12:41] <[Lightning] > firewall rules
[12:41] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : apps supported by ubuntu?
[12:41] <[Lightning] > and i edited some config files also
[12:42] <Nikilos> The files that were installed were mostly in the /usr/doc and /usr/local folders
[12:43] <[Lightning] > i don't know if they are supported, i don't even know wich one did it but after trying to configure the itables directly with limited knowlege and with some tools i managed to get it woking properly
[12:43] <[Lightning] > i read the help wich comes with ubuntu and gave me a lot of info
[12:44] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : one step lcoser to a pro admin job :)
[12:44] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : linux has a powerful firewall build in
[12:44] <[Lightning] > yes
[12:44] <[Lightning] > but not an easy one :D
[12:45] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : the apps are only wrppers for config
[12:45] <[Lightning] > indeed
[12:45] <[Lightning] > something like kerio personal would be nice
[12:45] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : well, you know where the code is, get to work :)
[12:46] <[Lightning] > with clear rules and wich doesn't mess up your existing config but probably in timp i'll get used to iptables
[12:46] <[Lightning] > hehe :D
[12:46] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : you might want to contact an existing project and give them some feedback
[12:46] <[Lightning] > btw
[12:46] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : you can help even with 0 programming knowledge
[12:46] <[Lightning] > gnome-lokkit crashes
[12:47] <TheSheep> !bugs | [Lightning] 
[12:47] <ubotu> [Lightning] : If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:47] <[Lightning] > i have programming knowlege just not in langs frquently used in unix world
[12:47] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : any lang will do
[12:47] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : even visual basic
[12:48] <Megadeus> python's easy.
[12:48] <[Lightning] > is gnome-lokkit supported ?
[12:48] <[Lightning] > by ubuntu i mean
[12:49] <TheSheep> it's supported by someone, the bugs will be forwarded
[12:49] <TheSheep> even if it's not "oficially" supported
[12:50] <[Lightning] > thank you for the help
[12:51] <[Lightning] > bye
[12:55] <Megadeus> Here's a question: What's the oldest computer you've successfully installed Xubuntu on?
[12:56] <maxamillion> Megadeus: 200mhz pentium, 64mb of ram, 2gb hdd
[12:56] <Megadeus> wow.
[12:56] <maxamillion> Megadeus: but that's just me personally
[12:56] <TheSheep> p90 60MB ram
[12:56] <Megadeus> That gives me hope.
[12:56] <TheSheep> it took some time ;)
[12:57] <TheSheep> Megadeus: not very productive
[12:58] <Megadeus> I'm relatively new to linux and ubuntu, and was having trouble installing regular ubuntu 7.04 on an old hewlett-packard with a Pentium 3 and 128 ram and a 10gb hard drive today.
[12:58] <Megadeus> so I'm going to try Xubuntu later today.
[12:59] <TheSheep> Megadeus: use the alternate cd
[12:59] <Megadeus> Okay, thanks for the advice.
[12:59] <Megadeus> Yeah, the regular CD wouldn't boot at all.
[12:59] <Megadeus> Do you recommend 7.04 or 6.10?
[12:59] <maxamillion> 7.04
[01:00] <Megadeus> Cool. Thanks.
[01:00] <maxamillion> anytime
[01:01] <TheSheep> good night
[01:02] <maxamillion> TheSheep: night
[01:02] <Megadeus> Is there anything special I should know about using the Alternate CD?
[01:03] <maxamillion> Megadeus: nope, just read it as you go .. its rather straight forward, just isn't as pretty
[01:03] <Megadeus> Haha. Thanks.
[01:03] <Megadeus> Well, thanks for the help: I'm out.
[01:04] <Jester45> i think its quite pretty
[01:04] <maxamillion> i think its elegant
[01:04] <maxamillion> but not as pretty
[01:05] <Jester45> Anyone see the colors ?
[01:05] <maxamillion> ?
[01:05] <doenner> Q: when a new version of xubuntu is released, does the system upgrade automatically, if not, how to do that and will my system be the "same" afterwoods?
[01:06] <Jester45> no, edit your sources.list change the name of the version to the next like "edgy" to "feisty" and then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:06] <maxamillion> doenner: no it doesn't upgrade automatically, and yes all your settings will be the same
[01:06] <Jester45> and it should be just the same
[01:08] <maxamillion> doenner: only thing that might change is the desktop theme if you use the default
[01:08] <doenner> ah, ok. thx for the quick answers. when is the next big release?
[01:08] <aanderse> october?
[01:08] <doenner> you mean, if they change the standard theme?
[01:08] <maxamillion> doenner: right
[01:09] <maxamillion> doenner: but if you choose a non-default one, it won't change due to an upgrade
[01:09] <Jester45> well it changes a little each release
[01:09] <Jester45> doesnt it ?
[01:10] <maxamillion> Jester45: yes
[01:11] <doenner> i forgot how to check my current version of xubuntu
[01:12] <Jester45> doenner run uname -r and tell us what it says
[01:12] <doenner> 2.6.17-11-generic
[01:12] <doenner> i think i have two kernels installed
[01:13] <doenner> the other is 2.6.17-10-generic i think
[01:13] <Jester45> that would be edgy i think
[01:13] <doenner> yes, its *-10*
[01:13] <maxamillion> doenner: that's fine, when you get the upgrade it keeps the old one just incase the new one breaks something, it will always default to the newest kernel you have installed
[01:13] <doenner> i noticed that
[01:13] <maxamillion> doenner: yeah, 2.6.17 is edgy, fesity is 2.6.20
[01:13] <doenner> whats the difference?
[01:14] <RandomDestructn> the new one is better :)
[01:14] <Jester45> feisty's current is 2.6.20-16
[01:14] <Jester45> to be more exact
[01:15] <Jester45> or -15 if you didnt update
[01:15] <doenner> RandomDestructn, hehe
[01:15] <RandomDestructn> 2.6.20-15-386
[01:15] <RandomDestructn> thats why its telling me I should reboot
[01:15] <doenner> i remember downloading the 6.06 instal cd
[01:15] <RandomDestructn> beh, some day.
[01:15] <Jester45> yea pretty much just better, now 2.4 -> 2.6 is diffrent
[01:15] <doenner> the page says, thats dapper drake
[01:16] <Jester45> doenner press alt+F1
[01:16] <RandomDestructn> Jester45, and sometimes worse.  There were a string of kernals that made my system not boot a while back.
[01:17] <doenner> i get the xfce documentation, Jester45
[01:17] <Jester45> yea, what version does it say
[01:18] <doenner> 4.2
[01:25] <Nikilos> Hi all, again, I was wondering if there is a plugin for GIMPShop on Linux to put all of its windows under one window?
[01:25] <Jester45> yea Nikilos i will look for a link
[01:26] <Nikilos> Thank you
[01:27] <Jester45> http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads/gimpshop_2.2.11-1_i386.deb
[01:27] <Jester45> download that and double click the file
[01:28] <Nikilos> Thanks
[01:28] <Nikilos> Wait, is this the download for GIMPShop?
[01:29] <Jester45> yes
[01:30] <Nikilos> On Linux, is there a way to change it so the GIMPShop windows are all in one window?
[01:30] <Jester45> you cant just add a plugin for the gimp
[01:31] <Nikilos> Yes, I understand that
[01:32] <Nikilos> So it's not possible in Linux as the moment?
[01:37] <Jester45> well its possible
[01:37] <Jester45> now, how hard im not sure
[01:37] <Nikilos> Hmm ok
[01:37] <Nikilos> Well, thanks anyway
[01:46] <kj0ttdeig> how to disable restricted/propietary drivers by command?!
[01:46] <maxamillion> kj0ttdeig: add them to your blacklist.custom and the modules won't load
[01:50] <kj0ttdeig> so how could i do that in command line?
[01:57] <doenner> by pressing the right keys :P
[02:06] <kj0ttdeig> :p
[02:06] <kj0ttdeig> any ideas on what the name on the pack could be? then i could do: sudo apt-get remove packname
[02:07] <kj0ttdeig> it was something about ati or fxgl or something
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> how do you find a process on the command line when it is too far down on the list for top?
[04:19] <Catoptromancy> could adjust terminal to show more lines
[04:19] <Catoptromancy> default was 100 or 200
[04:20] <Catoptromancy> I set mine for like 2000, you can scroll up real far
[04:32] <Pumpernickel> Use htop; it has support for scrolling.
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> Pumpernickel, ty...i will try that
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> is it installed by default?
[04:33] <Pumpernickel> Nope.
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> Pumpernickel, that is sweet tyvm
[04:47] <homebrewcider> hey guys to install mp3 support, what packages do I need to install
[04:47] <homebrewcider> please
[04:49] <j1mc> homebrewcider: this may help you: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[04:49] <homebrewcider> thanx
[04:49] <homebrewcider> checking now
[04:50] <j1mc> i gotta go . . . have a good night, all
[05:10] <Zabii> hi
[05:10] <Zabii> i decided to put xubuntu on my old crappy pc
[05:10] <Zabii> will i have to install drivers for my ethernet, or will it use default ones
[05:11] <Zabii> hello??
[05:11] <Zabii> lol
[05:12] <Pumpernickel> It will provide ethernet drivers.
[05:12] <Zabii> cool
[05:13] <Zabii> im gonna use synergy to control it and my other vista machine from my main vista machine
[05:13] <Zabii> :P
[05:13] <Zabii> ive used linux at school
[05:13] <Zabii> and figured linux was cooler for my old pos pc than xp
[05:14] <Zabii> should it lag up on cleaning up...
[05:14] <Zabii> on the install
[05:14] <Zabii> 87%
[05:15] <maxamillion> Zabii: its a known bug, it will take a while, but it does finish successfully
[05:15] <Zabii> k
[05:15] <Zabii> i had to kill a process earlier
[05:15] <maxamillion> Zabii: oh ... hmmm
[05:15] <Zabii> it lagged on 65% for 3 hours
[05:15] <Zabii> oh there it goes
[05:15] <maxamillion> Zabii: yeah, on some language pack?
[05:15] <Zabii> glad i took pc os and security at school
[05:16] <Zabii> yeah it did
[05:16] <Zabii> wtf is a grub package
[05:16] <Zabii> lol
[05:16] <maxamillion> Zabii: grub is the boot loader .... xubuntu won't boot without it ;)
[05:16] <Zabii> oic
[05:16] <maxamillion> !info grub
[05:16] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-20ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 370 kB, installed size 824 kB
[05:16] <Zabii> k
[05:16] <Zabii> so hey
[05:17] <Zabii> normal linux programs will run
[05:17] <Zabii> correct
[05:17] <maxamillion> Zabii: there is an alternative called LiLO, but nobody uses it anymore ...
[05:17] <maxamillion> Zabii: yeah, they should without an issue
[05:17] <Zabii> i need to run synergy
[05:17] <Zabii> having 2 keyboards and mice on my 3 machine desktop is much
[05:17] <maxamillion> what's synergy?
[05:17] <maxamillion> ohhh yeah
[05:18] <maxamillion> synergy will run fine, i think it might even be in the repositories
[05:18] <Zabii> i run 2 vista boxes and 1 xubuntu now
[05:18] <Zabii> once it loads
[05:18] <Zabii> it keeps telling my bios is to old
[05:18] <Zabii> lol
[05:18] <maxamillion> !info synergy
[05:18] <ubotu> synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 593 kB, installed size 1460 kB
[05:18] <Zabii> yup
[05:18] <Zabii> i use it now for my two vista machines
[05:18] <Zabii> its nice
[05:18] <maxamillion> Zabii: yup, you can just install it with aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, etc.
[05:18] <maxamillion> ew, vista machines .... i'm sorry
[05:18] <Zabii> i love vista
[05:19] <Zabii> but i enjoy linux
[05:19] <Zabii> its fun
[05:19] <maxamillion> Zabii: really?
[05:19] <Zabii> yup
[05:19] <Zabii> been running linux since rc2
[05:19] <Zabii> legal copies
[05:19] <Zabii> ms loves me
[05:19] <Zabii> lol
[05:19] <maxamillion> Zabii: i don't like microsoft but i can atleast admit that XP was a solid distro, but vista ... i just can't stand it
[05:19] <Zabii> ooh linux just booted
[05:19] <Zabii> omg i hate that pc
[05:19] <Zabii> its so slow
[05:19] <Zabii> lol
[05:21] <Zabii> will it autoload usb mice
[05:22] <Zabii> i cant really use this mouse i have for it
[05:22] <maxamillion> yeah, it will autoload alot of things
[05:22] <Zabii> wheres my taskbar
[05:22] <Zabii> o.o
[05:22] <Zabii> lol
[05:22] <Zabii> i used ubuntu at school
[05:22] <Zabii> lol
[05:22] <Zabii> thats why im lost now
[05:22] <maxamillion> my xubuntu install at work autoloads the microsoft usb keyboard that my boss ordered for me (though windows needs drivers for it ironically)
[05:23] <Zabii> lol there it is
[05:23] <Zabii> i have to scroll up
[05:23] <Zabii> lol
[05:24] <maxamillion> :)
[05:24] <maxamillion> Zabii: xubuntu _is_ ubuntu, just with a different desktop environment and a different set of default applications
[05:24] <Zabii> i need more ram
[05:24] <Zabii> 64m is not much
[05:25] <Zabii> so if i clicked firefox
[05:25] <Zabii> it should be loading right
[05:26] <Zabii> how do i configure net
[05:26] <Zabii> lol
[05:27] <maxamillion> Zabii: that machine hooked up to ethernet with dhcp?
[05:27] <Zabii> dunno
[05:27] <Zabii> its hooked up to this machine tho
[05:27] <Zabii> ics from windows
[05:27] <maxamillion> Zabii: do "ifconfig" in the command line and see if the ethernet port has an ip address
[05:28] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> well
[05:28] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> im Zabii
[05:28] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> i got dced
[05:29] <maxamillion> rgr
[05:29] <maxamillion> nice, i hate VB too :)
[05:29] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> omg whats the network admin pw
[05:29] <maxamillion> Forte|I_HATE_VB: the password of the first account you setup
[05:29] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> doesnt help that i keep typing on the wrong keyboard
[05:29] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> oic
[05:30] <maxamillion> Forte|I_HATE_VB: the first account you setup is the "admin account"
[05:30] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> how much is really old pc ram
[05:30] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> lol
[05:30] <maxamillion> Forte|I_HATE_VB: technically the "sudo" account, which gives it root-like privilages without actually having to have a root account enabled ... its more secure by design
[05:30] <maxamillion> !sudo
[05:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:32] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> ooh i like it when it gives me a little bar
[05:32] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> thats moving
[05:32] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> that means it might just work
[05:32] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> well
[05:32] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> xscreensaver huh
[05:33] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> !info xscreensaver
[05:33] <ubotu> xscreensaver: Automatic screensaver for X. In component main, is optional. Version 4.24-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 276 kB, installed size 2216 kB
[05:33] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> lol
[05:33] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> k
[05:34] <maxamillion> Forte|I_HATE_VB: you can edit the xscreensaver config from the settings manager, there is a screen saver section
[05:34] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> omg it works
[05:34] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> i got net
[05:35] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> should i get more ram
[05:35] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> lol
[05:35] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> i havent used this pc in forever
[05:36] <maxamillion> "omg it works" ... i should put that on the web page as a testimonial
[05:36] <maxamillion> :P
[05:36] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> lol
[05:36] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> go for it
[05:36] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> so i need a .rpm
[05:36] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> right
[05:36] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> if i remember from a year ago
[05:37] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> omg how do i open it
[05:37] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> lol
[05:37] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> k nm
[05:38] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> wow
[05:38] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> i went so into l33t speak its not funny
[05:38] <maxamillion> noooo!!!
[05:38] <maxamillion> rpm != xubuntu
[05:38] <cellofello1> what?
[05:38] <maxamillion> xubuntu is built on ubuntu, ubuntu is built on debian ... debian uses .deb
[05:38] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> well damn
[05:38] <maxamillion> cellofellow: clarifying differences
[05:39] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> how do i get rpm to work
[05:39] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> its the only thing for synergy
[05:39] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> lol
[05:39] <maxamillion> Forte|I_HATE_VB: uhmmm... make it into a debian package with alien
[05:39] <cellofellow> !alien
[05:39] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:39] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> o noes
[05:39] <maxamillion> Forte|I_HATE_VB: wait, you can just intall synergy from the repos ... you don't need the rpm package you downloaded
[05:39] <Forte|I_HATE_VB> wheres that at
[05:39] <maxamillion> :(
[05:39] <cellofellow> !info synergy
[05:39] <ubotu> synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 593 kB, installed size 1460 kB
[05:39] <maxamillion> this is going to be a long night ...
[05:40] <Zabii2> im sorry max
[05:40] <maxamillion> Zabii2: its ok
[05:40] <Zabii2> my ubuntu sucks
[05:40] <Zabii2> lol
[05:40] <maxamillion> Zabii2: do this in a terminal "aptitude search synergy"
[05:40] <cellofellow> Zabii2: you must be a Fedora veteran or something.
[05:40] <maxamillion> it probably won't return anything because i think we need to change your sources.list ... but one step at a time
[05:41] <cellofellow> just `sudo aptitude install synergy`
[05:41] <Zabii2> yeah
[05:41] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i think i am going to give symphonyOS a shot tomorrow, the mezzo desktop looks interesting
[05:41] <Zabii2> my pc is messing up for a second
[05:41] <maxamillion> Zabii2: awesome
[05:41] <Zabii2> hold up
[05:41] <cellofellow> maxamillion: that it does. Yet another thing to install in virtualbox
[05:42] <Zabii2> wow, so how much ram should i buy for a 1999 pc
[05:42] <Zabii2> lol
[05:42] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well, you can just boot .. i think its just a liveCD that also has a hdd install capabilities ... i am curious to see since it is now based on ubuntu if it will support installing software from the repos
[05:42] <maxamillion> Zabii2: depends on the ram clock speed
[05:43] <cellofellow> Zabii2: let's do this the easy way: Open Apps => System => Software Sources, enable everything in the Ubuntu tab, and then do the previous command.
[05:43] <cellofellow> maxamillion: when did SymphonyOS switch from Knoppix to Ubuntu base?
[05:43] <Zabii2> well it didnt let me install it
[05:43] <Zabii2> said it cant find it
[05:43] <Zabii2> lol
[05:43] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well it switched from knoppix to debian unstable branch and then to ubuntu
[05:43] <cellofellow> all my boxes are circa 1999. Two have 319MB and that's I all I need to handle.
[05:44] <cellofellow> Zabii2: do the software sources thing.
[05:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: the switch to debian stable happened prior to last release and then the switch to ubuntu just recently happened
[05:44] <Zabii2> it would be nice if my machine could use laptop ddr ram
[05:44] <maxamillion> circa 1999?
[05:44] <Zabii2> i have half a gig o fthat
[05:44] <Zabii2> of that
[05:44] <Zabii2> lol
[05:44] <maxamillion> lol
[05:44] <cellofellow> maxamillion: that's a lot of switching.
[05:44] <Zabii2> i upgraded my old laptop to have more
[05:44] <Zabii2> when i moved to vista for it
[05:45] <Zabii2> i like all os
[05:45] <cellofellow> maxamillion: I think one of the boxes has 1998 and 1999 parts.
[05:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i know
[05:45] <Zabii2> cept macos
[05:45] <cellofellow> bah, Vista.
[05:45] <Zabii2> shh
[05:45] <Zabii2> dont bah me
[05:45] <Zabii2> lol
[05:45] <Zabii2> im not a sheep
[05:45] <cellofellow> I wasn't.
[05:45] <cellofellow> TheSheep: you hear that?
[05:45] <maxamillion> Zabii2: you are in linux town, you are bound to have strange things said at you talking about vista
[05:46] <Zabii2> lol
[05:46] <Zabii2> i like all os tho
[05:46] <Zabii2> hey
[05:46] <Zabii2> all the ubuntu tabs are checked
[05:46] <jordansdad253> hello all
[05:46] <maxamillion> jordansdad253: hi
[05:46] <cellofellow> ok
[05:46] <cellofellow> Zabii2: now install the synergy package.
[05:47] <jordansdad253> does anyone know where i can find out how to change the login screen in xubuntu?
[05:47] <maxamillion> Zabii: ok, now run "sudo aptitude install synergy" in ther terminal and the password it asks for will be your account password
[05:47] <Zabii> well wait its doing something with the internet
[05:47] <cellofellow> jordansdad253: go to Apps -> System -> Login Window and choose a different theme. Lots available on xfce-look.org and gnome-look.org
[05:47] <Zabii> im gonna make this a project box
[05:48] <Zabii> i got it from my uncle
[05:48] <cellofellow> maxamillion: we forgot to tell Zabii to aptitude update
[05:48] <Zabii> i said hey, when you upgraded your pc
[05:48] <Zabii> wheres your old one
[05:48] <maxamillion> Zabii: ahhhh, that we did
[05:48] <Zabii> he said in the basement
[05:48] <Zabii> i said give it to me
[05:48] <Zabii> lol
[05:48] <maxamillion> Zabii: nice
[05:48] <Zabii> didnt realize it was this bad
[05:48] <cellofellow> what?
[05:48] <jordansdad253> thanks cellofellow
[05:48] <Zabii> my pc
[05:49] <Zabii> hey uh, is there an irc ap alot like mirc for linux
[05:49] <Jester45> xchat
[05:49] <maxamillion> Zabii: check out xchat
[05:49] <Zabii> k
[05:49] <Zabii> ill do that
[05:49] <maxamillion> bah, Jester45 beat me to it
[05:50] <Zabii> dunno what its doin there
[05:50] <maxamillion> Jester45: you get your fserve thing figured out?
[05:50] <Zabii> but its lagged up on the software screen
[05:50] <Jester45> no
[05:50] <Jester45> but i *might* have a hostinbg sign up
[05:50] <cellofellow> gtg
[05:50] <Zabii> so whats an aptitude update
[05:51] <maxamillion> Zabii: you have an terminal open?
[05:51] <Jester45> and *might* have a 2nd larger one if vidd is ok with what they have :)
[05:51] <Zabii> no im installing updtates
[05:51] <Jester45> Zabii, it downloads a list of packages
[05:51] <maxamillion> Zabii: installing updates how?
[05:51] <Zabii> or its installing
[05:51] <Zabii> im watching
[05:51] <Zabii> from software sources
[05:51] <Zabii> says im outdated
[05:51] <maxamillion> Zabii: ohhh, yeah ... the graphical user interface
[05:51] <Jester45> so apt knows there is newer ones
[05:52] <Zabii> so is it doing what you were gonna have me do
[05:52] <maxamillion> Zabii: it might be doing part of it, yes
[05:52] <Zabii> and the screen close
[05:52] <Zabii> lol
[05:52] <Zabii> thats good
[05:52] <Zabii> now what to do on the command prompt
[05:52] <Zabii> er
[05:52] <maxamillion> Zabii: ok, open a terminal
[05:52] <Zabii> terminal
[05:52] <Zabii> sorry, dos
[05:52] <Zabii> lol
[05:53] <maxamillion> command prompt is tollerable terminology
[05:53] <Zabii> k
[05:53] <Zabii> well im there now
[05:53] <Zabii> sudo what
[05:53] <Zabii> lol
[05:54] <maxamillion> Zabii: sudo aptitude install synergy
[05:54] <maxamillion> Zabii: and that will download and install synergy for you
[05:55] <Zabii> whats the best way to see what kind of ram i have without opening box
[05:55] <maxamillion> Zabii: i don't think there is a way
[05:55] <maxamillion> well ... wait
[05:55] <Zabii> lol in windows, i can click a button
[05:55] <Zabii> and it says
[05:55] <Zabii> ddr2
[05:55] <Zabii> lol
[05:56] <Jester45> there might, same way to look at your cpu but, maxamillion  would you know how to do that
[05:56] <Zabii> um it installed
[05:56] <Zabii> but where is it
[05:56] <Zabii> lol
[05:57] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah, but cpu wouldn't tell what clock speed the ram is
[05:57] <Jester45> yea.. but im guessing its somthing like that
[05:57] <Zabii> so where do programs install
[05:57] <Jester45> every where,
[05:58] <maxamillion> Zabii: all over the place
[05:58] <Jester45> :)
[05:58] <Zabii> bah
[05:58] <Zabii> lol
[05:58] <Jester45> mostly in /usr/bin/ right?
[05:58] <maxamillion> Zabii: once it installs you can do "man synergy" it will display the manual page for the program
[05:58] <maxamillion> Jester45: yes, i believe so
[05:59] <Jester45> thats one thing i dont like about linux theres no program files folder
[05:59] <Jester45> but... there is a package manager so i guess that out weights it
[05:59] <Zabii> well you know your pc blows when you formated today and you only have 5.8 gigs free
[06:00] <Zabii> i found synergy and it wont load
[06:00] <Zabii> lol
[06:00] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeeaaahhh, i think a program files folder is annoying ... i like how linux does it because different executables are placed in different places based on their "classification"
[06:01] <Zabii> uh
[06:01] <Zabii> you know you can do that in windows
[06:01] <Zabii> just custom install
[06:01] <Zabii> lol
[06:02] <Zabii> well
[06:02] <Zabii> still cant find synergy
[06:02] <Zabii> i must be a noob
[06:02] <Jester45> maxamillion, windows kinda does that, useless programs fo in \WINDOWS\  and better ones go in program files
[06:02] <Zabii> jester
[06:03] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah ... ish
[06:03] <Zabii> you install programs anywhere
[06:03] <Jester45> Zabii, run "synergy"
[06:03] <maxamillion> but we don't talk about windows in here
[06:03] <Zabii> lol
[06:03] <Jester45> thats in -offtopic
[06:03] <maxamillion> Zabii: you can install programs anywhere in linux, it just takes a little configuration
[06:03] <Jester45> Zabii, but that takes long then 6 clicks on next
[06:03] <Jester45> longer*
[06:04] <Zabii> noone lets it auto install
[06:04] <Zabii> lol
[06:04] <Zabii> anyway
[06:04] <Zabii> it still doesnt go
[06:04] <Zabii> i must be doing something wrong
[06:04] <Jester45> but apt is easier it just a few keystroke
[06:04] <maxamillion> yup
[06:05] <Zabii> so synergyc wont run
[06:07] <maxamillion> no clue
[06:07] <Zabii> :(
[06:07] <maxamillion> Zabii: did you read the synergy manual page? ... if you run the client you probably need to give it a server to connect to
[06:07] <Jester45> is it a program you run or something run it ?
[06:08] <Zabii> there is no manual page
[06:08] <Zabii> it keeps telling me there is no manual
[06:09] <Jester45> i think its a program that gets run by a diffrent program
[06:09] <Jester45> say xorg?
[06:10] <Zabii> sudo aptitude install synergy
[06:10] <Zabii> er snap
[06:10] <Zabii> lol
[06:11] <Zabii> o im dumb
[06:11] <Zabii> i gotta run it from the terminal
[06:11] <Zabii> or something
[06:11] <maxamillion> yeah, didn't you hear me say to run "man synergy" in the terminal?
[06:12] <Zabii> tried that
[06:12] <maxamillion> Zabii: what'd it say?
[06:13] <Zabii> i got it now
[06:13] <Zabii> hold on
[06:13] <Zabii> gotta go fix that here
[06:14] <maxamillion> k
[06:16] <Zabii> well its connected
[06:16] <Zabii> but somethings wrong pc side
[06:16] <Zabii> lol
[06:16] <Zabii> brb
[06:16] <maxamillion> k
[06:18] <maxamillion> kalikiana: hi hi
[06:19] <kalikiana> hi maxamillion :)
[06:19] <kalikiana> What a wonderfull morning, beginning with a fresh shower :D
[06:19] <maxamillion> kalikiana: how's the browser? ... and svn snapshot action?
[06:20] <Zabii> WOOHOO
[06:21] <kalikiana> maxamillion, I'm having few time for my software currently, I hope you can wait for another cuple days.
[06:21] <Zabii> max
[06:21] <Zabii> how do i fix screen resolution
[06:22] <Zabii> never mind
[06:22] <Zabii> noob question
[06:23] <maxamillion> Zabii: ;)
[06:23] <Zabii> lol
[06:23] <Zabii> my pc is so laggy i cant click ok
[06:23] <Zabii> to keep settings
[06:23] <maxamillion> kalikiana: i have infinite patience ... its summer :)
[06:24] <Jester45> what kalikiana  doing
[06:25] <maxamillion> Jester45: writting a light weight gtk web browser that doesn't use the gecko engine :)
[06:25] <Jester45> OO lighter than firefox's "light weight"
[06:26] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah, real light wieght
[06:26] <Zabii> know whats funny
[06:26] <maxamillion> weight*
[06:26] <Zabii> my aunt said
[06:26] <Zabii> why do i need 3 pcs
[06:26] <maxamillion> Zabii: HAHAHAHA
[06:26] <maxamillion> rgr
[06:34] <xjkx> where do you set your keyboard language? My keyboard language is OK locally, but when i run my system trhough tightvncserver it is US keyboard, but mine isnt
[06:41] <Jester45> xjkx, you have to set it in the remote computer i belive i dont know where
[06:47] <Zabii> only problem is i have to whip out the old keyboard and mouse to start synergy
[06:47] <Zabii> but other than that this roks
[06:47] <Zabii> lol
[06:48] <Jester45> Zabii, you can have it autostart
[06:48] <Zabii> i still have to log on
[06:48] <Jester45> you can auto logon also
[06:48] <Zabii> well thats a task for tomorow
[06:49] <Zabii> lol
[06:49] <Jester45> and if you want to get detailed you can start it before you login (if its not a gui)
[06:49] <Zabii> its not
[06:49] <Zabii> its synergyc -f Forte-PC
[06:49] <Zabii> thats it
[06:49] <Zabii> lol
[06:52] <Jester45> well i dont know what it is
[06:56] <Zabii> !ping
[06:56] <ubotu> pong
[06:56] <Zabii> k
[06:56] <Zabii> well
[06:56] <Zabii> cant connect to anything else
[06:57] <Zabii> cause my net sucks
[06:57] <Zabii> brb
[07:37] <BFTD> hi
[07:41] <maxamillion> hi
[10:09] <Deviad> Hello guys
[10:09] <Deviad> I compiled a 2.6.20 with ubuntu patches and I added to it mactel patches
[10:10] <Deviad> On boot I get "kernel panic not syncing: attempting to kill init"
[10:10] <Deviad> Is it because I had to use a vanilla kernel to add mactel patches or the reason is someone else?
[10:10] <Deviad> something*
[11:20] <AlexC> hello all
[11:48] <kj0ttdeig> i had xubuntu installed on a computer with an ati graphics card, but now i've switched it with my nvidia card.. and of course now i can read the message "no screens found" on my screen..
[11:48] <kj0ttdeig> is there a command line-way to install nvidia-drivers?
[11:48] <Catoptromancy> !nvidia
[11:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:48] <Catoptromancy> hey it worked
[11:49] <AlexC> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:49] <AlexC> then after that type: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[11:49] <AlexC> and restart
[11:50] <kj0ttdeig> thanks, rebooting now.. ;)
[11:56] <AlexC> wonder if it worked
[11:57] <AlexC> if it does then it's +1 point AlexC
[11:57] <kj0ttdeig> at least it managed to log on.. but i'll have to reconfigure the 1280x720 resolution
[11:59] <AlexC> worked?
[12:00] <Deepshock> Hi anyone awake?
[12:00] <AlexC> yeppers
[12:02] <Deepshock> Alex maybe u can help me out.. i just installed ubuntuserver.. .and i'm trying to get the xubunutu 7.04 to run on top of it.. i ahve the cd burnt
[12:03] <Deepshock> but idk wat to do from here... i tried logging into terminal and doing the sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop but it says no package exists
[12:03] <AlexC> what cd?
[12:03] <Deepshock> the xubuntu 7.04
[12:03] <AlexC> live or alternative
[12:03] <Deepshock> live
[12:03] <Deepshock> sorry
[12:04] <AlexC> that's your problem
[12:04] <AlexC> the alternative and the DVD have repositories
[12:04] <Deepshock> i need the alternate cd u say?
[12:04] <AlexC> Live doesn't
[12:04] <AlexC> yes
[12:04] <Deepshock> well lets say i have a net conn
[12:05] <Deepshock> i have ubuntu server currently installed
[12:05] <AlexC> and you need to put the alternative as a source
[12:05] <Deepshock> is there anyway i can install xubuntu on top of it via net?
[12:05] <RandomDestructn> its not really 'on top of'.  you're just installing another component.
[12:05] <RandomDestructn> but yeah
[12:05] <AlexC> sudo apt-get update
[12:05] <Deepshock> so first run that?
[12:05] <AlexC> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:06] <AlexC> yeah, that will update the list of packages
[12:06] <RandomDestructn> AlexC, won't he need to edit the sources.lst to remove the CD source (if its trying that).
[12:06] <AlexC> and the second will install xfce
[12:06] <AlexC> yes
[12:06] <AlexC> if he put it there
[12:07] <Deepshock> so i just did the update
[12:07] <Deepshock> now just run the install part?
[12:07] <AlexC> yes
[12:07] <AlexC> see if it works
[12:07] <Deviad_> Hello
[12:08] <AlexC> hi deviad_
[12:08] <Deepshock> k doing it now... hi deviad
[12:08] <Deviad_> Pls help me to fix this. When I try to modprobe fglrx module version 8.37 I get the following: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.20.12-mactel/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:08] <AlexC> it is a big file
[12:08] <Deviad_> I'm running Ubuntu Feisty
[12:08] <Deviad_> Is there any patch for 8.37 I knew this happened with 8.33, 8.34, 8.35 with 2.6.20
[12:08] <AlexC> put "sudo" in front of the command
[12:09] <Deviad_> AlexC, it's the same
[12:09] <Deviad_> I even tried being root
[12:09] <AlexC> that's interesting
[12:10] <AlexC> i'm not experienced with fglrx
[12:10] <RandomDestructn> Deviad_, you added it to the xorg.conf?
[12:10] <Deviad_> yeah
[12:10] <Deviad_> I had 8.35 before with 2.6.18
[12:10] <RandomDestructn> hm. thats what google told me the problem is :/
[12:10] <Deviad_> then I upgraded to 2.6.20 and downloaded 8.37
[12:11] <Deviad_> the problem is that 8.37 do not have Ubuntu/Feisty in their build options
[12:11] <Deviad_> so I had to use Debian/etch
[12:11] <Deviad_> don't know if it might be the problem
[12:13] <RandomDestructn> Deviad_, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide that any help?
[12:13] <Deviad_> wait a sec
[12:13] <Deviad_> I'm gonna try one more time
[12:13] <RandomDestructn> kk.
[12:13] <kj0ttdeig> it works AlexC, but only with 1024x768
[12:13] <RandomDestructn> ah, perfect.
[12:13] <RandomDestructn> someone who know something about ati.
[12:13] <AlexC> kj0ttdeig: well. that's a step ahead
[12:14] <kj0ttdeig> yeah
[12:14] <Deviad_> RandomDestructn, first thing I had to write "feisty" instead of "Feisty"
[12:14] <Deviad_> ^^
[12:14] <Deviad_> when I built the package that's why it didn't recognize Feisty
[12:14] <Deviad_> hehe
[12:14] <kj0ttdeig> but the ati card managed 1280x720, but i felt that the colors were too blurry
[12:15] <RandomDestructn> I'm glad I got rid of my ati card for my main box :/
[12:28] <Deepshock> wohooo xfce instaleld
[12:35] <Deepshock> say guys, how can i have my system boot into terminal as its first thing and then only go into xfce when i type startx
[12:35] <Deepshock> ?
[12:37] <ablomen> Deepshock, sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/gdm should do it
[12:37] <Deepshock> Ablomen, thx - what does that do ?
[12:37] <ablomen> substract
[12:38] <Deepshock> i see u just disabled permissions to execute that
[12:38] <ablomen> so -x == not eXecutable, +x == eXecutable
[12:38] <Deepshock> so it'll just not be permitted
[12:38] <ablomen> jup
[12:38] <Deepshock> hmm ok
[12:38] <ablomen> jup
[12:38] <Deepshock> but then when i do startx
[12:38] <Deepshock> as room
[12:38] <Deepshock> root it'll work
[12:38] <ablomen> jup
[12:39] <ablomen> but you should not do it as root
[12:39] <ablomen> just as normal user
[12:43] <Deviad_> hello guys.
[12:44] <Deviad_> This is the detailed error message that I get when I try to modprobe fglrx
[12:44] <Deviad_> http://rafb.net/p/lis1mH95.html
[12:46] <Deepshock> ablomen so i just added 2 devices into my /etc/network/interfaces is there anyway i can get my box to recognize then by stopping/starting some service or do i hve to reboot?
[12:47] <ablomen> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart << that should do it i think
[12:47] <ablomen> not sure though
[12:47] <Deepshock> thanks ^^^
[12:47] <ablomen> :) np
[12:48] <RandomDestructn> while youre at it do an ls of that directory (/etc/init.d) and see all the things you can restart
[12:48] <RandomDestructn> its good to know
[12:48] <RandomDestructn> or to have a vague idea anyway :)
[12:56] <Deviad_> Can anyone pls help me?
[12:59] <kj0ttdeig> !grub
[12:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:10] <Deviad_> Can anyone pls help me with this issue: http://www.rafb.net/p/lis1mH95.html
[01:18] <RandomDestructn> the forums about this exact problem don't help?
[01:18] <RandomDestructn> Deviad_,  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=14314 for example
[01:20] <RandomDestructn> http://www.google.ca/search?q=%5Bfglrx%3Afiregl_init_module%5D+*ERROR*+firegl_stub_register+failed  seems to get a lot of hits anyway
[01:20] <Deviad_> mmmm
[01:20] <Deviad_> it seams like my problem could be agpgart
[01:21] <Deviad_> or better i have to compile it as a module
[01:21] <Deviad_> :P
[01:21] <RandomDestructn> dunno. I know nothing about ati. heh
[01:21] <RandomDestructn> other than to not buy it ;)
[01:28] <Deviad_> RandomDestructn, If you are using a recent Linux 2.6 kernel that has the Linux AGPGART driver statically linked in (some distribution kernels do), you can pass the
[01:41] <Deepshock> so i just instaled this thing called wlassist and its in the applications > Network menu.. but when i open it.. asks if i used sudo? how do i change that icon shortcut so it opens with sudo?
[02:08] <Deviad> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2798251#post2798251
[02:27] <saispo> hi
[02:27] <saispo> anyone have problem with shortcut keyboard in Xfce Gutsy ?
[02:28] <saispo> some are working, some aren't...
[02:30] <RandomDestructn> I use keytouch
[02:30] <RandomDestructn> (I'm leaving right this second though. good luck :P)
[02:30] <saispo> i haven't got the problem under feisty
[02:36] <Deviad> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2798251#post2798251
[03:27] <skyfaller> hey folks... do you think that Xubuntu will run OK on a Dell Latitude LS with a Pentium III 497 mhz processor and 128 MB RAM?
[03:27] <skyfaller> or would you recommend some other distro?
[03:27] <Merchelo> should be fine
[03:27] <Merchelo> min ram is 64meg
[03:28] <pleia2> skyfaller: those are the specs I run it under, you'll just have to use the alternate CD when you install
[03:28] <skyfaller> OK :)
[04:18] <Deepshock> Hey guys, if i install xubuntu over ubuntu server... is that a seperate linux distro or just some gui on top of the ubuntu server?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> Gui with server packages
[04:34] <jpnurmi> hi. opera keeps causing problems to me. it tends to handle urls clicked in some apps even if firefox is set as default web browser. i have made sure that there is not a single instance of "opera" in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[04:34] <jpnurmi> first it was handling all the links clicked in konversation. the problem was worked around by setting konversation to use firefox as "custom browser". now i noticed that opera handles links clicked in thunderbird too... any ideas how to get them handled in firefox instead?
[04:47] <Zabii> does desktop ram have to be bought in twos
[04:57] <doenner> I had the idea of getting another DesktopManager but the default xfce one. Any suggestions?
[04:58] <somerville32> doenner, there are a ton.
[04:58] <somerville32> E11
[04:58] <somerville32> blackbox
[04:59] <maxamillion> fluxbox, window maker, beryl, compiz ... the list goes on
[04:59] <doenner> not WM, just desktop manager
[04:59] <maxamillion> doenner: oh ... uhmmm
[04:59] <maxamillion> doenner: may i ask what the complaint is? ... i can better offer a suggestion if i know what it is you want out of a desktop
 doenner: may i ask what the complaint is?
[05:00] <doenner> good question :)
[05:02] <doenner> i dont really use the desktop for files, so something with other functionalities would be good.
[05:03] <maxamillion> doenner: more icons, less icons, no icons?
[05:03] <doenner> less icons
[05:03] <doenner> no icons is also fine
[05:04] <doenner> maybe something like boxes with functions (news, system monitor, or similar
[05:04] <maxamillion> doenner: you can just disable icons with xfdesktop
[05:04] <maxamillion> doenner: ooooh, you want desklets
[05:05] <doenner> never heard of that word, googling it right now
[05:05] <maxamillion> doenner: you will either want adesklets (better on system resources), or gdesklets (generally easier to use, but somewhat costly on system resources_
[05:07] <doenner> i tell you what i think i know: I can prevent xfce of managing the desktop (desktop settings), and install another manager which will deal with the desktop. and i assume gdesklets is such a manager !?
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> heh i erased my desktop
[05:10] <maxamillion> doenner: no, gdesktlets is just like Mac OS X's widgets ... it just runs ontop of xfce's desktop but i think it will provide what you want
[05:10] <doenner> even better
[05:11] <Catoptromancy> at first it was by accident, but then after I reformatted I did it on purpose
[05:11] <doenner> how did you do that?
[05:11] <doenner> maxamillion, and its the same thing with adesklets?
[05:12] <maxamillion> doenner: sure is
[05:13] <doenner> thanks for guiding me in the right direction, maxamillion
[05:14] <maxamillion> doenner: anytime :)
[05:23] <doenner> i think i'll go adesklets, since i dont like eyecandy eating too much recources.
[05:26] <maxamillion> doenner: good choice :)
[05:51] <infbliss> hi all can somebody tell how to bind windows key in xfce
[05:52] <maxamillion> infbliss: should be able to do so in the settings manager under keyboard .. you can bind all kinds of key combinations there
[05:54] <infbliss> maxamillion: i tried to do win+r but it does not bind it
[05:55] <maxamillion> strange
[05:55] <infbliss> it just says r
[05:58] <maxamillion> infbliss: its possible the windows key isn't even enabled
[05:58] <infbliss> yes it seems so
[05:58] <infbliss> maxamillion: you have any idea what to do
[06:34] <wren> I'm really loving Xfce's new composite feature, but is there any way to turn OFF translucent menus?
[06:37] <doenner> on my system, win key is "dead" too
[06:38] <doenner> but there's a tut on the web telling how to enable it
[07:13] <doenner> http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/05/27/miss-the-win-key-in-linux-use-kde/
[07:15] <skyfaller> doenner: but isn't that for KDE, not Xfce?
[07:16] <skyfaller> also that article is 2 years old
[07:17] <Jester45> anyone have a suggestion for a cli torrent downloader with dht
[07:18] <Catoptromancy> jester you can try deluge, not cli but its small
[07:19] <Jester45> yea i didnt like it to much
[07:19] <Jester45> im look for something i just just turn on  and let it seed for a few weeks
[07:21] <skyfaller> heh, most importantly infbliss left the room so he won't hear any debate about how to use the win key
[07:31] <grazie> Jester45: rtorrent.. dht?
[07:31] <Jester45> does it support ght
[07:32] <grazie> Jester45: ght or dht...I don't know want either is
[07:32] <grazie> what* ^^
[07:33] <Jester45> dht is distributed hash tree,  its like a 2nd tracker
[07:34] <doenner> skyfaller, you're totally right
[07:35] <doenner> i guess i should've had a better look on the tutorial :/
[07:35] <grazie> Jester45: I don't think it does
[08:02] <luisbg> where is janimo?
[08:02] <luisbg> anybody has his email
[08:03] <luisbg> I need to contact him for something he knows about already
[08:03] <TheSheep> luisbg: look at the launchpad
[08:04] <luisbg> hey joejaxx
[08:04] <luisbg> found a irc channel I was in before you ;)
[08:04] <joejaxx> hello luisbg
[08:04] <joejaxx> luisbg: nah :P
[08:04] <luisbg> TheSheep, I didn't saw him email there
[08:04] <luisbg> going to check
[08:06] <luisbg> TheSheep, is he on a break right now from xubuntu?
[08:06] <doenner> what script is responsible for putting mountable devices (usb-flash, cdrom etc) on the desktop?
[08:07] <skyfaller> hey folks, I'm having serious issues with the xubuntu alternate CD
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> doenner, fstab
[08:08] <skyfaller> the md5 sum checks out on the downloaded iso, and I've burned it to 3 different CDs, but every time I put it in the computer and test its integrity it fails
[08:08] <TheSheep> doenner: it's done via dbus and hal, not with a script
[08:08] <TheSheep> doenner: xfdesktop has a code for it
[08:10] <doenner> so its built into xfdesktop, and it checks fstab. how come it doesnt put my root and home partition there? where can i configure that?
[08:10] <TheSheep> doenner: it doesn't check fstab, it communicates with HAL
[08:10] <doenner> whats hal
[08:11] <doenner> can you plz describe it step by step what happens?
[08:11] <doenner> i plug my usb stick in
[08:11] <TheSheep> doenner: a service responsible for handling devices, connected usb devices, etc.
[08:11] <doenner> an then?
[08:12] <TheSheep> doenner: I don't know details, I know that there is udev involved with its rules, and a hal daemon that watches thngs and communicates using dbus with other applications
[08:12] <TheSheep> doenner: but xfdesktop has option whether to display the filesystem and home icons or not
[08:13] <TheSheep> doenner: in settings->desktop settings, second tab, at the bottom
[08:14] <doenner> maybe you got some other version, my last option on that tab is the font size of the icons
[08:14] <doenner> my xfce is v4.2
[08:15] <TheSheep> doenner: ah, it didn't have that yet
[08:15] <TheSheep> doenner: on top of that, the xubuntu version was hacked to remove these icons
[08:15] <TheSheep> doenner: you may compile the version from xfce.org to get them
[08:16] <TheSheep>  (or just upgrade)
[08:18] <doenner> the only things i compiled from source were kernels and those ended up in kernel panics
[08:22] <skyfaller> why do you need 128 MB RAM to run but 192 MB RAM to install?  that seems weird
[08:23] <Pumpernickel> The installer uses more than 0MB ram.
[08:23] <Pumpernickel> A lot more.
[08:23] <doenner> ?
[08:23] <skyfaller> Pumpernickel: ah, that is logical :)
 why do you need 128 MB RAM to run but 192 MB RAM to install?  that seems weird
[08:24] <doenner> i use my legs to run
[08:43] <craigbass1976> Why do I see gdm starting up when booting to an xubuntu cd?
[08:46] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: because xubuntu uses gdm as its session manager
[08:48] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, is there another way?  I'm having a bear of a time with an inspiron 1100.  Tried the alternate ubuntu cd and installing with text, but when the hard drive stopped spinning I finally shut 'er down.  COuldn't boot, checked with DSL to see empty partions
[08:49] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: what's wrong with gdm? ... gdm should not be your problem
[08:51] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, I don't know if that's the issue or not.  I'm just looking for things that Knoppix, Ubuntu, and CentOS have in common, becuase none of them will boot to gui mode.  DSL and Puppy Linux work
[08:52] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: ahhhh, that's an issue with X, not gdm
[08:52] <craigbass1976> BAH!
[08:52] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: boot xubuntu and select "safe graphics mode" at the boot screen, you should be fine from there
[08:52] <craigbass1976> No, already tried that
[08:52] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: really? .... do you know what graphics hardware your laptop has?
[08:53] <craigbass1976> Not sure, but I went through the Ubuntu forums and saw that upgrading the BIOS should have done the trick.  I supose I could look in DSL, but I don't know if that will tell me.
[08:54] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: it does, just depends on how familiar you are with the GNU tools used to show such things
[08:55] <craigbass1976> Want to tell me the command?  I don't know off the top of my head
[08:55] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: there are a few, but lspci would probably give you what you need
[08:55] <craigbass1976> ok
[09:15] <craigbass1976> lspci gives me gibberish.  lspci -vvv doesn't tell me, unless it's using codewords or something, which one is a video card.  Looking on Dell's site now
[09:20] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, Dell's site is so informative... I guess it's got an intel card.
[09:22] <maxamillion> intel cards have complete kernel level support ... unless its some dell hack job on an intel chipset you shouldn't have an issue
[09:22] <Meile> hello, I got one question. Xubuntu displays a messagebox with something like: "The internet site of Xubuntu is not reachable, xfce may not work properly". But my internet is ok and everything works finde. Someone got an idea where I can look to solve this small problem?
[09:23] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, No, you don't think Dell would screw anything up, do you?  Do you?  Perish the thought
[09:23] <craigbass1976> Meile, what do you do to cause this, go in a firefox window?
[09:24] <maxamillion> Meile: it sounds like a locale issue ... xfce requires locale to be set correctly, i've heard of the issue but never had it myself
[09:24] <Meile> no it is displayed directly after the login in gdm
[09:25] <Meile> ok maybe. i searched in google but nobody in germany seems to have this problem ;)
[09:34] <Meile> ok thx so far. i will have a look on the local settings
[09:34] <Meile> bye
[10:02] <wren> Currently when there's a window flashing in my taskbar (it's using the URGENT wm tip), it is only flashing on one of my desktops. This seems rather silly, since it's meant to catch my attention. Most window managers I've used display "urgent" windows on any desktop in the taskbar. Is there any way to get behavior like this on XFCE?
[10:37] <redrod> hey guys, i've got a question.. what application is responsible for automounting of hardware in Xubuntu? my first guess was gnome-volume-manager (it's frequently mentioned in ubuntuforums.org), but i get my drives mounted without it being installed :/
[10:38] <maxamillion> redrod: hald+usbmount
[10:38] <maxamillion> !hald
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <maxamillion> !hal
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <maxamillion> !info hald
[10:38] <ubotu> Package hald does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:39] <maxamillion> WHAT!@#%!] 
[10:39] <redrod> hard drives too? not external, internal..
[10:39] <maxamillion> redrod: yes, i believe hal handles hard drives as well
[10:39] <maxamillion> redrod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29
[10:41] <redrod> ok.. it messes with gparted, mouting the partitions on every drive_refresh, so i'll need to find a way to temporarily disable it..
[10:43] <redrod> thankey, maxamillion; ubuntu package search gives me the HAL package - somebody should fix the bot :)
[10:46] <redrod> another question - my flash drive mounts as read-only (at least Thunar keeps telling me that), though "mount" shows that it's mountes as "rw"; does the 077 mask has to do something with it? it's vfat, so there should be no predefined ownership policies
[10:49] <maxamillion> yeah, i'm not entirely sure why thunar would do that ... i don't get that issue on my machine(s), you might want to poke around launchpad and see if that is a known bug, if not then you should submit a bug report
[10:52] <redrod> last night everything was working ok - then i plugged in another IDE drive and initiated all that fuss about gparted and automount.. mb it's interconnected somehow :/
[11:07] <Pumpernickel> Change the umask to 000 if you want all users to have write access.
[11:12] <jasonmoneyhbz> does anyone know the username/password for the livecd login?
[11:13] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: there isn't one
[11:13] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: just hit enter
[11:15] <jasonmoneyhbz> maxamillion: i tried that it doesnt like it
[11:18] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: really? ... strange
[11:18] <jasonmoneyhbz> yea i know it
[11:18] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: you sure you are using xubuntu livecd?
[11:18] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: i know the fluxbuntu livecd has a login/pass ... but not xubuntu
[11:20] <jasonmoneyhbz> maxamillion: its the x86 desktop version
[11:21] <maxamillion> huh ... very strange
[11:27] <jasonmoneyhbz> maxamillion: what is the alternate cd like?
[11:30] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: just a text based hard drive installer ... bascially the same installer as the gui one, but not as pretty
[11:31] <jasonmoneyhbz> wow it just booted into it after about the 10th restart. this time while it was loading i did a ctrl alt f1 to see all the errors it pumped out
[11:31] <Catoptromancy> I find manually partitioning much easier in the Alternate CD
[11:32] <jasonmoneyhbz> its weird why it all of a sudden decided to not prompt me
[11:33] <maxamillion> jasonmoneyhbz: might be a bad download
[11:34] <redrod> Pumpernickel, i thought that 777 would give full access (or 222, if we only need writing)
[11:38] <maxamillion> redrod: 777 is a chmod mask, not a umask
[11:38] <maxamillion> wait
[11:39] <redrod> it is a chmod mask :)
[11:39] <maxamillion> yeah... they are different, but related
[11:39] <redrod> but i thought that they are made in the same fashion
[11:39] <maxamillion> redrod: well no because just enter the command "umask" in your terminal and see what it spits back at you
[11:39] <redrod> hmm, ok.. when i get back home i'll try :)
[11:40] <maxamillion> redrod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask
[11:40] <maxamillion> redrod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod
[11:44] <redrod> awful.. [umask]  = 666 AND NOT [chmod] 
[11:44] <redrod> why not use the same mask :S
[11:47] <redrod> mount gave me the umask of 077, which means i had a chmod of 700.. well, that should be 'nough to create files :/
[12:04] <Erny> Hi I am new to Linux, I installed Ubuntu 7.04 from a magazine dvd, it installed and runs well, I have up from the main resource everything OK. I down loaded Xubuntu, using  " sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop" everything seemed to go well, however after installing, grub does not give me an option to run xubuntu, only ubuntu, the xubuntu log in page does appear, and gnome is loaded but from then on it all reverts to Ubuntu, does anybody know what I have done wro
[12:06] <vidd> Erny, the reason you do not get a second grub entry is because you do not have 2 "distro's" installed...but rather 2 desktop environments
[12:06] <vidd> what you need to do is configure your splash screen to let you choose which desktop environment you wish to load
[12:07] <Erny> Thanks, how do I do that?
[12:07] <vidd> one moment while i get you a link
[12:07] <vidd> =] 
[12:12] <vidd> Erny, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24644/
[12:12] <Erny> Thanks vidd!
[12:12] <vidd> np
[12:24] <Pumpernickel> redrod: Only if you're the owner.
[12:27] <redrod> my flash drive is vfat - the umask should be the only thing to take care of access rights..