[12:37] <manchicken> Riddell: So do you know if you could get me a kubuntu shirt made in a baby's size? ;)
[12:45] <mhb> hi
[12:53] <nixternal> manchicken|away: cafepress has(d) one
[12:59] <Arby> following an oem install should the oem-config wizard launch automatically on login?
[01:03] <Arby> ah, nevermind
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> they look awful.......... geeky.
[02:18] <RadiantFire> they do don't they
[02:45] <nixternal> Riddell: that is \sh's crowd
[03:08] <jjesse> anything fun going on tonight?
[03:09] <crimsun> it's pretty happening here in the coffee shop
[03:20] <RadiantFire> mmm... coffee shop
[03:42] <ryanakca> umm... wouldn't Kat recursively import itself? it's currently cataloging it's db... which then get's cataloged... but, as the catalog grows with stuff scanned from the catalog, the catalog grows...
[03:43] <RadiantFire> ryanakca: I feel like kat should know were its own db is and to not scan that
[03:43] <ryanakca> RadiantFire: yeah
[03:44] <ryanakca> once it starts scanning itself, it alwais adds stuff for itself to scan
[03:44] <ryanakca> methinks
[03:44] <RadiantFire> if it does, you have uncovered a fatal flaw in its design
[03:45] <ryanakca> s/alwais/always
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> hey > RadiantFire
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> wait... how do I PM?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> ah..never mind
[03:47] <RadiantFire> oh goodie
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:21] <ScottK2> Hello Hobbsee
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hiya :)
[09:08] <pygi> hello folks
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hi pygi!
[09:13] <pygi> Hobbsee, is sealne (or whatever the spelling is) or tonio around?
[09:13] <pygi> Hobbsee, I can see that k3b isn't really maintained in the distro (except regular updates, but that's not too good)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> tonio_ is the nick, seaLne doesnt appear to be
[09:14] <pygi> Hobbsee, tonio_ isn't here as well
[09:14] <pygi> meh, I want to get cdrecording up to shape, and there's just too many bugs
[09:18] <Riddell> sealne isn't active at the moment, he's busy organising akademy
[09:19] <pygi> Riddell, got it
[09:20] <pygi> Riddell, anyone in kubuntu familiar enough with k3b's codebase and cd-recording that could maintain k3b?
[09:21] <pygi> this is an impressive list of bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/
[09:21] <pygi> each one of them can and should be fixed imho
[09:25] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[09:25] <Hobbsee> pygi: you?
[09:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, I can't do everything ... :)
[09:26] <pygi> but compare it to number of bugs brasero has for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero
[09:26] <pygi> and you'll see what I'm refering to
[09:26] <pygi> and I believe in a couple of days I'll be able to close all brasero bugs except the wishlist stuff
[09:28] <pygi> Hobbsee, Riddell : I'd seriously like k3b to become better, so users could have better kubuntu experience
[09:41] <pygi> Hobbsee, pls react :P
[09:44] <Hobbsee> -EAFK
[10:37] <mhb> good morning
[10:39] <Hobbsee> morning mhb!
[11:53] <Jucato> Tm_T: yay!! I got it to work... partially...
[12:35] <fdoving> yay, openvpn is cool.
[12:41] <ryanakca> RadiantFire: it's still scanning itself, so I have a feeling that it's either a bug, and will scan itself indefinitely or until it escapes from it's loop
[01:16] <Riddell> ooh, progress http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-systemsettings.png
[01:18] <gnomefreak> thats different? i havent set up kubuntu on gutsy yet but that looks just about the same to me
[01:19] <mhb> do we really need the tabs?
[01:21] <Jucato> what other possible alternative to separate the Advanced modules?
[01:21] <mhb> Jucato: um... not separate it?
[01:22] <Riddell> it's not ment to be different, it's ment to be KDE 4 :)
[01:22] <sebas> I wonder if ereslibre's klistview categories wouldn't be useful for systemsettings, manchicken|away
[01:22] <sebas> http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=49
[01:23] <Jucato> mhb: hm.. dunno. iirc it was el who worked on separating them. manchicken was the one who converted them to tabs. they were buttons previously
[01:23] <Jucato> anyway... off to dinner...
[01:24] <mhb> Jucato: true, but I've never heard positive feedback about it
[01:25] <mhb> Jucato: yeah, bad topic
[01:28] <_StefanS_> I would like that new kde4-systemsettings to let you go back to non-administrative privileges, sometimes you need to just set stuff on user level
[01:49] <RadiantFire> hi mhb
[01:50] <mhb> hi RadiantFire
[01:56] <pygi> Hobbsee, you know that doesn't work on me
[01:56] <Hobbsee> awww
[01:56] <apachelogger> omg
[01:56] <pygi> sorry, won't wor as well
[01:56] <pygi> work*
[01:56] <Hobbsee> it will if it's used hard enough :P
[01:56] <pygi> nop
[01:56] <pygi> trust me
[01:56] <pygi> especially if it's made out of wood, I can just burn it :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> it's metal.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> nice, hard, shiny metal
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> magnesium?
[01:57] <pygi> ok, then I'll just turn the fire to greater temperature
[01:57] <apachelogger> today on apachelogger tv: pbuilder - watch it throw off the domino piece
[01:58] <pygi> Hobbsee, I need to talk to you about serious things
[01:58] <Hobbsee> pygi: okay
[01:58] <apachelogger> bah
[01:59] <pygi> Hobbsee, we need to think of a viable way to maintain k3b
[01:59] <pygi> it just isn't going to work this way
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure you could discuss that without sealne here, effectively, though
[01:59] <Hobbsee> how well does debian maintain it?
[01:59] <Riddell> pygi: hmm?
[01:59] <pygi> if I remember, there's a good maintainer in debian that took over k3b
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Original-Maintainer: Francois Marier <francois@debian.org>
[02:00] <pygi> but there's still lack of common sense since no one is really familiar with the inner workings
[02:00] <pygi> Hobbsee, yup, him :)
[02:00] <pygi> Riddell, wanted to discuss k3b situation if you don't mind :)
[02:00] <pygi> (and yes, I know I'm boring, just trying to get things done)
[02:00] <Riddell> pygi: what's to discuss?  a maintainer within Kubuntu would be nice.  I don't see any going spare
[02:01] <pygi> ah, I knew sealne  was updating to newest versions, but that just ain't gonna cut it
[02:01] <pygi> there are a lot of bugs reported against k3b, and no one is looking at them/fixing them
[02:01] <Hobbsee> k/d differences look to be a fair bit
[02:01] <Hobbsee> (and this is in main, so we probably cant ignore it)
[02:02] <Riddell> pygi: that's the case for lots of packages.  probably most
[02:02] <pygi> (no idea what "k/d" means)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kubuntu/debian
[02:02] <pygi> Riddell, well, true ... but if we can fix it, why wouldn't we? Especially in fields where we've got experts available)
[02:02] <Riddell> sebas: that looks very nice
[02:02] <pygi> and there are a lot of areas like that in repositories
[02:03] <pygi> Hobbsee, indeed, that's why I'm arguing anyway
[02:03] <pygi> but even if it was universe, a lot of people use it
[02:03] <Riddell> pygi: do you have anything to propose?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> it looks like lure's done some uploads of it, too
[02:04] <pygi> yes, but it's all new releases and such
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he's proposing that someone put some work into it, where that someone isnt him.
[02:04] <Riddell> well yes, that's not very helpful though
[02:04] <pygi> that was low Hobbsee. You do know I'd help wherever I can.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> but...in the time that you've been poking us here tonight, you could have *done* some of that.  and i suspect that Riddell and i are happy to sponsor sane changes.
[02:06] <pygi> I'm currently fighting brasero fail to build on sparc & ppc due to upstreams bad code. But I've got brasero down to tiny little bugs
[02:06] <pygi> couple of them only
[02:07] <sebas> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-163.php <- I do not find the updates tab?
[02:07] <pygi> I'd like to see k3b at the same situation, and it just ain't gonna happen this way
[02:07] <pygi> (/me is sorry if it's bad how it sounds, but ...)
[02:08] <Riddell> sebas: do you have software-properties-kde installed?
[02:08] <sebas> Let's have a  look
[02:08] <sebas> No, installing it now
[02:08] <Hobbsee> sealne's regarded as the maintainer - i'd suggest you talk to him about how you should help out, in getting what you want.  obviously, people who work with the code regularly are going ot have more of an idea of what's wrong there.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> Lure: I was going through some bug reports and wanted to confirm something.
[02:09] <pygi> Hobbsee, IMHO I'm not some troll around here who's trying to stop your good work or anything. Just trying to helpp.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> i'd also suspect that if we cant find someone in kubuntu who will maintain it, we should send our changes, which seem to be a fair few, back to debian.  which we should do anyway
[02:09] <pygi> Hobbsee, well, that's the problem. There's never been any changes in ubuntu to fix bugs.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh indeed.  but you've hit the brick wall of "no one here actually wants to touch that partiuclar package, as they dont know enough"
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and keeping on hitting that will not make the answer any different, i'm afraid.
[02:10] <fdoving> pygi: why not just sync with debian if they have a nice package?
[02:10] <pygi> Hobbsee, meh, ok, I don't want to argue with you :(
[02:10] <Hobbsee> i'm not trying to argue - i'm merely laying out the facts.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> as it is, i dont burn enough cds, etc, that i have any chance of being able to work on it effectively
[02:10] <pygi> I didn't say you have to work on it
[02:10] <Riddell> sealne won't be touching it, he's got RSI and he's organising akademy
[02:11] <pygi> yes, I understand
[02:11] <Jucato> pretty :D
[02:12] <pygi> Hobbsee, I have enough work as is anyway, as we all do
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> Lure: yeah.... about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/112120 the ;ast responder says that he can't use your patch packages because they are i386. BUt since its Python. it should be cross platform, right?
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112120 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes at startup" [High,Fix committed] 
[02:12] <pygi> and I do understand ... but still think we should get things going :(
[02:12] <sebas> Riddell: Thanks, got it now.
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> hehe... didn't know ubotu could do that.
[02:12] <manchicken_> Riddell: Did you try playing with that custom widget I made for it?
[02:12] <Lure> Jucato: ;-)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> pygi: oh i agree with you.  no question there.  but "shoudl get things going" doesnt actually translate to finding someone, and fixing the entire world.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> which is a pain.
[02:13] <Riddell> manchicken_: nope, where's that and what does it do?
[02:13] <fdoving> pygi: what's the problem with k3b? - are you sure there are package bugs, if not, the bugs should be forwarded upstream.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: the want for someone to maintain k3b adn go thru the buglists.
[02:13] <manchicken_> It's in SVN with systemsettings, and I designed it to be simple.
[02:13] <manchicken_> :)
[02:13] <manchicken_> It's like KIconGroupPage or something like that.
[02:13] <pygi> fdoving, some bugs should indeed be forwarded upstream, but some we should fix as well
[02:14] <manchicken_> Can't remember exactly what I called it.
[02:14] <pygi> otherwise it ain't gonna work
[02:14] <pygi> we just can't embrace upstream sources without patches all the time
[02:14] <manchicken_> It's just using layouts for a lot of that stuff.
[02:14] <Lure> nosrednaekim: right, they can change their local .py files
[02:14] <pygi> Hobbsee, meh
[02:14] <pygi> Hobbsee, Riddell : anyway, sorry for bugging. I'll stop talking about it.
[02:14] <Lure> nosrednaekim: packages are still arch specific due to some C++ modules used in python
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> Lure: hmm...thats too bad.
[02:15] <fdoving> Hobbsee: tonio of course :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> pygi: you've hit the "unpaid people have the right to work on whatever they like, and to avoid whatever they don't like" wall too.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i was wondering about that
[02:16] <fdoving> Hobbsee: he did the last merge with debian. even closed a bug :)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[02:16] <pygi> Hobbsee, yes, yes, I apologize ... as I said, will not discuss it anymore
[02:18] <fdoving> pygi: the thing is, we must focus on packging, upstream focus on development, if someone have fun fixing bugs and send patches upstream, that's just a bonus. if we were trying to fix all bugs in all packages available in kubuntu we would need some more developers.
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> Lure: is that just for safety purposes, or does it really commonly break things?
[02:19] <Lure> nosrednaekim: it breaks if you set cpu freq to one that is not supported by powermanager (for example "conservative")
[02:19] <Lure> nosrednaekim: if there would be many reporters (which I do not see), we could classify it as SRU-candidate
[02:19] <fdoving> Lure: will the when-laptop-lid-closes feature become ac/battery aware in the future? - i always lock screen on ac, and suspend on battery. annoying to have to change that manually whenever i disconnect ac.
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Lure: sorry for my ignorance, what is a SRU-candidate?
[02:20] <Lure> fdoving: open wishlist bug - it may make sense really
[02:20] <manchicken_> Riddell: kicongrouppage.h
[02:20] <fdoving> Lure: do you use the kde bugtracker?
[02:20] <pygi> stable release update nosrednaekim
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> pygi: ah ok.
[02:20] <Lure> fdoving: however for most users it is a question more if they are on lid or external display, so options beside- none might not make much sense
[02:21] <Lure> nosrednaekim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:22] <Lure> pygi: I agree we have too many bugs opened on k3b, but it is unfair to compare this to brasero (which is in universe and not installed by default, not to mention that k3b is used a lot by gnome users too)
[02:22] <Lure> pygi: major problem we have in ubuntu is "drinking-from-the-firehose" in terms of bugs
[02:23] <Lure> pygi: so it is not a problem of fixing bugs (I am one of those very interested in bug fixes), but in terms og bug triage/getting bug reports to appropraite quality
[02:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: poke
[02:24] <Hobbsee> oh hang on, whos' into system settings here?
[02:24] <Lure> pygi: the problem is also that it is hard for developers to focus on k3b (which works for them just fine as is) and not on other bugs they encounter personally
[02:24] <fdoving> Lure: i often use the lid-display and lock-screen on close, compiling with the lid locked can be nice when you have kids in the house. :)
[02:24] <Lure> fdoving: right
[02:24] <fdoving> i might be a special case.
[02:25] <sebas> fdoving: It's three clicks to change the setting, do you think this validates cluttering the UI?
[02:25] <Lure> pygi: and you should not underestimate what Hobbsee said: volunteers do what they like not always what they should (in whoever minds)
[02:25] <pygi> Lure, pm
[02:26] <Lure> pygi: you started public discussion, so no need to pm now ;-)
[02:26] <fdoving> sebas: i do it alot, so to me, yes. i can see that others might not want it though.
[02:26] <pygi> Lure, yes, but I fall back, and have no intentions to continue
[02:26] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: That tickles.
[02:26] <sebas> To be honest, I do not see a wide use case
[02:27] <Lure> pygi: I just responded on scrollback so I responded to ping ;-)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: what are your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/52670?
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52670 in kde-systemsettings "Kubuntu setting default components don't affect gnome/gtk apps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:27] <pygi> Lure, time will tell. It always does.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> apart from cimmo being a pain as usual?
[02:28] <Lure> sebas: I would probably agree that we really need to think about possible usecases - I hate to write solutions for things I do not understand the use case
[02:28] <pygi> Lure, trust me or do not, but things will change =) And then you'll see I was right :)
[02:28] <pygi> (about whatever related to this field :))
[02:28] <fdoving> Lure, sebas: gnome-power-preferences can do this.
[02:28] <Lure> pygi: so you will take care of k3b bugs? thay would be great...
[02:28] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: My feelings on that is that we don't maintain Thunderbird.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: the issue is a decent one, though
[02:29] <pygi> Lure, I didn't said that.
[02:29] <Jucato> Hobbsee: unfortunately, that's a feature, not a bug. but a very inconvenient feature...
[02:29] <Lure> fdoving: they can do all kind of stuff, but I may not agree it is right
[02:29] <Hobbsee> please both of you reply on that bug.
[02:29] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: But system settings should be working with alternatives properly.
[02:30] <Lure> fdoving: please open bug and describe use-cases for different settings and I think there might be other interested users to add to it
[02:30] <pygi> Lure, IMHO if nothing else, and in no other field I can have a say ... in the cd-recording I believe I do
[02:30] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: that's my thought.  who's the relevant person for making it so?
[02:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee, manchicken_: I recall encountering a slightly old KDE app called kalternatives in KDE SVN
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: isn't there a setting "apply qt themse to gtk apps"?
[02:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: I think a bug is already open for that.
[02:30] <Jucato> it's a KDE counterpart to galternatives
[02:30] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: there's 2, yeah.
[02:30] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5423
[02:30] <Hobbsee> iirc
[02:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: So this one should be closed as a poorly worded duplicate.
[02:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: That's my $0.02
[02:30] <Jucato> er no....
[02:30] <Lure> apachelogger: maybe tonight (if kids will be good ;-))
[02:30] <Jucato> manchicken_: this is a different issue
[02:31] <manchicken_> Jucato: I thought this one was just that alternatives weren't being set?
[02:31] <apachelogger> Lure: k :D
[02:31] <Jucato> manchicken_: yes. which is different from the gtk-qt  engine
[02:31] <manchicken_> Jucato: The bug that Hobbsee is talking about doesn't seem like it's a gtk-qt engine issue.
[02:32] <Jucato> yes. it's a kcontrol bug, imho (not really systemsettings... but...)
[02:32] <Jucato> althought it's not really a "bug" per se
[02:32] <manchicken_> Jucato: system settings is the official system settings program of kubuntu :)
[02:33] <Jucato> hence the "but..."
[02:33] <Jucato> :)
[02:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: wonderful
[02:33] <Jucato> Tm_T: but there's a problem, hence the "partially". :(
[02:34] <Tm_T> that is?
[02:34] <Jucato> I can only ping, use apt-get, and use w3m in the CLI
[02:34] <Jucato> as if KDE doesn't know that the internet is working. also can't connect to irssi
[02:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: there's a ShinyPointyStick now too?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[02:36] <Jucato> eeek! so many pointy thingies!!!
[02:39] <rbrunhuber> I tried to test Gutsy Tribe 1 Desktop CD yesterday in Virtual PC 2007 but it does not even start. I did not investigate further. But does it make sense to test in VPC 2007?
[02:39] <Jucato> ouchie
[02:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: anyway, regarding your question, if anyone's interested on working on it, there's kalternatives for that particular purpose mentioned in the bug report
[02:40] <Jucato> kalternatives could also cover selecting Sun Java
[02:41] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[02:41] <Jucato> couldn't there be a postinst script to do that for Java btw?
[02:42] <Jucato> I mean run update-alternatives --config java after installing?
[02:45] <Tm_T> Jucato: try killing all network handling apps, like knetworkmanager
[02:46] <Jucato> Tm_T: ok... I'll try that in a bit. I spent up my load (credits) again :P
[02:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/kalternatives/
[02:46] <Tm_T> haha
[02:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it was one of those apps I was planning to package for Kubuntu, but never had time to learn how to package :)
[02:48] <Jucato> and still don't have time now hehehe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:48] <Jucato> it installs a kcontrol module btw. not a standalone app
[02:56] <apachelogger> Jucato: so letz get it packaged, huh?
[02:57] <Tm_T> Kool!
[02:58] <Jucato> kthxbye
[02:58] <Jucato> hai world!
[03:00] <apachelogger> Jucato: ye think I should checkout from SVN?
[03:02] <Jucato> hm.. I guess so... there doesn't seem to be any package for it even in debian....
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/105102 - about that, where's the patch that you've used?
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105102 in usplash "Cannot shutdown computer with Kubuntu Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:43] <Hobbsee> i want to test it out here for 3.5.7, as i get that too
[03:46] <seele> this is going to sound like a stupid question, but how to do unmount a cdrom in kubuntu without going to the command line?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> right click on desktop icon, safely remove?
[03:48] <seele> i dont have anything on my desktop
[03:48] <seele> and it wont let me eject it in /media/
[03:49] <seele> it says the KDE media manager isn't running
[03:49] <Hobbsee> seele: poke fdoving then
[03:49] <seele> what would a normal user do though
[03:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: actually tonio did it.  it's in kdebase, he removed the usplash patch and edited kdm.init
[03:53] <apokryphos> seele: not in media:/ too?
[03:54] <seele> apokryphos: nope
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, do you have the patch anyway?
[03:54] <seele> hmm.. well popping it with a pin certainly screwed it up
[03:54] <apokryphos> hrm, that shouldn't happen
[03:54] <seele> it still wont open the drive even though there is no cd in it
[03:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's not a patch.  it's a removed patch and edited kdm.init
[03:55] <Riddell> I don't have a debdiff to hand
[03:55] <Hobbsee> s/patch/debdiff/ sorry
[03:55] <Hobbsee> right
[03:55] <Riddell> seele: sounds like your kded broke
[03:56] <Riddell> start kded from the command line and see if that helps in media;?
[03:56] <Riddell> media:/
[03:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is no official tarball for http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/kalternatives/ ... shall I produce my own and use ubuntu revision? or no ubuntu revision?
[03:57] <seele> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 Major opcode:  145 Minor opcode:  3 Resource id:  0x0
[03:57] <seele> Failed to open device
[04:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is it?
[04:02] <fdoving> seele: did anything appear in /media/ ?
[04:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: make your own tar.  look at how we version kde-systemsettings for example
[04:02] <apachelogger> k, thx
[04:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a gui for the alternatives system btw :)
[04:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd investigate if there's not a reason it isn't released
[04:03] <fdoving> Lure: i hacked my powermanager, it does what i want now :)
[04:05] <Lure> fdoving: that is why I love python for such apps ;-)
[04:06] <apachelogger> yucks
[04:06] <apachelogger> karma issue :S
[04:06] <fdoving> seele: you want to go to kmenu -> system settings -> service manager -> check that 'KDED Media Manager' is running. if not, start it.
[04:06] <apachelogger> hm
[04:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is a released version http://freshmeat.net/projects/kalternatives/
[04:07] <apachelogger> still SVN is shipping lot more code
[04:07] <fdoving> Lure: yeah, my first usefull python experience. and the hack is very very quick and dirty.
[04:11] <nixternal_> someone double check bug 116216 and see if it should be confirmed or left as a wishlist item
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116216 in kdepim "Akregator shows incorrect screenshot in warning" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116216
[04:18] <apachelogger> nixternal_: IMHO it's wishlist
[04:18] <mhb> I thought somebody worked on making the Bluetooth on Kubuntu without that annoying pop-up
[04:18] <apachelogger> one just can't support every single window manager out there
[04:18] <nixternal_> ya, that is what I put it at
[04:18] <nixternal_> first I had ever heard of Ion3
[04:18] <nixternal_> I had to google it to see wth it was
[04:18] <apachelogger> me too ^_^
[04:18] <nixternal_> I like the example though that the popup shows
[05:18] <nixternal_> where is the aspell dictionary located that is used with kmail et al.?
[05:19] <Riddell> dpkg -L aspell-en
[05:20] <nixternal_> heh, there is a very weird spell check bug that was noted in kmail
[05:20] <nixternal_> open up kmail, start and email, and mix 2 words together that are correctly spelled
[05:20] <nixternal_> catscratch, feverscratch, motorcity, madman, Detroitrock....all of these words are marked as spelled correctly
[05:20] <nixternal_> hehe
[05:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: MidMark is interested in knowing how to implement the alternatives thing in system settings properly.  do you have any pointers as to where this would be?
[05:21] <nixternal_> Riddell: I can't believe I asked that question knowing that dpkg -L shows me what I wanted :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: if you're around on the weekend, and could help him out a bit, that'd be good.  he's Cimmo on the bug report, and seems to have a fairly good, or least vocal idea of what's going on, so should have a clear will to actually fix it.
[05:23] <nixternal_> yup, it is an aspell issue, not a kmail issue.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: did you end up going thru the kdelibs bugs, btw?
[05:24] <nixternal_> no I haven't
[05:24] <nixternal_> going through kdepim right now
[05:24] <nixternal_> I will run through kdelibs in a bit
[05:24] <Hobbsee> okay, cool
[05:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: kdepim is good.  what's your opinion on getting pinentry-qt into main, so we can use it for agent signing?  you wouldnt happen to know how ubuntu handles that with their agent, would you?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> i thought they had an agent by default...
[05:26] <nixternal_> well, I use pinentry-qt on my laptop, but I don't use any of them on my desktop and out of the box I have no problems signing or reading encrypted email...which blew my mind
[05:26] <Hobbsee> that's...odd.
[05:26] <nixternal_> so it is hard for me to totally justify it
[05:26] <nixternal_> ya...ryanacka and I emailed each other 100 times not to long ago trying to figure it out
[05:27] <nixternal_> he was having issues and I had none out of the box
[05:27] <Hobbsee> it doesnt seem to work here
[05:27] <nixternal_> but I have expereienced those same issues before
[05:27] <Hobbsee> and i'd really like to see it fixed for everyone
[05:27] <Jucato> Tm_T: thanks for the advice on knetworkmanager. just one last problem :)
[05:27] <nixternal_> pinentry-qt though doesn't totally fix the problem though
[05:27] <Hobbsee> !ping
[05:27] <nixternal_> I know there was a hell of a lot more I had to do than just pinentry-qt
[05:27] <ubotu> pong
[05:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: yeah....that's what i thought
[05:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: you would get some of those back
[05:30] <Hobbsee> mhb: hrm?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> [01:30]  <gnomefreak> iirc the docs for gpg tell you to install gpg-agent
[05:31] <Hobbsee> i presume we should just make our docs tell you to install it too
[05:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: kopete crashes every time I close it
[05:31] <gnomefreak> yep that was me :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it'd be interesting to see what happens in their preinst, though
[05:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: and I doubt is is an upstream one
[05:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: did you get a backtrace of any use?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> and youv'e checked it's not a config problem?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> most end users dont need it
[05:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: config problem as in?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: crash due to config files - both ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and ~/.kde/share/config/kopete*
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ie, move them, see if it still crashes
[05:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: you can't take all the logfiles from me :o)
[05:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll try
[05:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: nope
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: nope, as in, it still crashes without the config files, or stops crashing?
[05:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: yeah, still crashes
[05:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: all it takes is to add a jabber account
[05:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: for me
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: okay, is it reported upstream?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> or in launchpad?
[05:38] <mhb> lp, as I thought upstream would have noticed earlier
[05:39] <Hobbsee> er....
[05:39] <Hobbsee> okay, i think my power's going to die
[05:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: goodbye, cruel Hobbsee :o)
[05:39] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee of the PointySticks
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hee
[05:40] <mhb> nah, I'm kidding, you guys are alright
[05:41] <Hobbsee> mhb: upstream is better
[05:41] <Hobbsee> mhb: we just filter all the kopete bugs upstream
[05:44] <Hobbsee> it seems odd.  i would have expected kfmclient to be in kdelibs, nto konqueror
[05:45] <gnomefreak> anyone have pittis repo handy for feisty?
[05:45] <Jucato> konqueror supersedes kfmclient afaik
[05:46] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: pitti would, i guess
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ;)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/95742 looks like yours - please file it upstream, saying you can still reproduce it on the latest version
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95742 in kdenetwork "[feisty]  Kopete crashes on exit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: okay, I will
[06:00] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: The alternatives thing is gonna have to be done in the KCM modules themselves.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: right.  could you possibly mentor MidMark?
[06:00] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: systemsettings doesn't actually change any settings.  It's the KCM modules that do that directly.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> fdoving: you're on gutsy, arent you?
[06:00] <manchicken_> Very lightly...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: right, fair enough.  i'd wondreed as much
[06:00] <Hobbsee> cool, tahnkyou
[06:01] <manchicken_> Life is a lot more complicated with a pregnant lady in the house :)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: yeah, fair enough
[06:04] <Jucato> since kalternatives installs a kcm and system settings really just uses kcm.... but don't know how actively maintained kalternatives is... or if there is any other alternative :)
[06:04] <mhb> please don't have any configuration tools outsice system settings, oh please :o)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> manchicken_: congrats and btw it gets worse the closer to birth, but i loved every minute of it
[06:05] <gnomefreak> the above depends on the woman
[06:05] <Hobbsee> yay, bugs from 2005!
[06:06] <manchicken> gnomefreak: I'm excited about the baby and all, but Dacia's been sick a lot, and that's rough on me too.
[06:06] <mhb> Hobbsee: undecided and unconfirmed ones?
[06:06] <mhb> Hobbsee: those are the best
[06:06] <manchicken> Not loving that part :)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> mhb: yep
[06:07] <gnomefreak> manchicken: yeah i know that feeling all too well. all you can do is help her best you can, i just went through this 2 months ago give or take a week
[06:07] <manchicken> It's rough man.
[06:07] <manchicken> Though our doctor is helping.
[06:08] <manchicken> He gave her a shot that seems to be helping for the most part.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> there's oen thing that i hate about the kopete buglist
[06:11] <Hobbsee> it's the fact that it's all needed to be reported upstream, and that no matter how much you do on it, it doesnt seem to go downl
[06:17] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That's because most of the work being done on kopete is going towards kde4
[06:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true that. some of this stuff applies there too, i think
[06:26] <nixternal_> Riddell: bug 23107 - any status on this? can it be closed since there hasn't been any responses in the past year?
[06:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 23107 in kdepim "Moving messages using the "M" key doesn't allow searching" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23107
[06:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: ask them to reopen if it still exists, yes.
[06:27] <nixternal_> roger
[06:27] <nixternal_> thanks Hobbsee...wanted to ask since it was assigned to JR
[06:27] <Hobbsee> people assign to jr without any expectation of him actually fixing it :P
[06:31] <nixternal_> haha
[06:57] <nixternal> can someone using kmail create a test event, and add me as a contact or whatever so it emails me the event stuff? I need to try and confirm a bug
[06:57] <nixternal> thanks
[07:10] <nixternal> nm, someone already hooked me up :)
[07:11] <apachelogger> uhm
[07:11] <Arby> bah, too slow
[07:11] <apachelogger> mais oui
[07:11] <apachelogger> Arby: ye can do :P
[07:12] <Arby> I was just looking for nixternals e-mail address :)
[07:12] <nixternal> hehe
[07:12] <nixternal> ya, might have been helpful if I added it (nixternal@ubuntu.com)
[07:13] <nixternal> I did that in another channel and got 11 event requests :)
[07:13] <Arby> OK problem sorted then :)
[07:13] <Czessi> i did an event
[07:14] <apachelogger> hm
[07:14] <apachelogger> good news is
[07:14] <apachelogger> my korganizer is broken :P
[07:15] <apachelogger> lol
[07:15] <apachelogger> wtf
[07:15] <apachelogger> google calendar ftw!
[07:15] <DaSkreech> chandler ftw!
[07:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:16] <apachelogger> eh
[07:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:17] <fdoving> uh.. is that kdm userlist going to be there by default, in gutsy?
[07:18] <apachelogger> fdoving: yeah
[07:18] <yuriy> and is the option in system settings actually going to turn it on and off or are people going to have to change the theme
[07:18] <fdoving> apachelogger: help.
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: hiya
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[07:19] <neversfelde> hopefully not :)
[07:20] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: huh?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i do fiddly things with email addresses, so it all filters properly
[07:20] <Hobbsee> it's hard splitting folders up, if i cant find the original email address i used
[07:20] <Hobbsee> to change it in mailman
[07:20] <Hobbsee> i found it :)
[07:21] <apachelogger> hehe, that's why I only use gmail :P
[07:23] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: mandatory default?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's easy enough to fix - the setup works really well, but it's a little fiddly when you want to change bits of it
[07:24] <fdoving> Hobbsee: how do you filter? - procmail?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> fdoving: nope
[07:24] <fdoving> maildrop?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i've got a sieve script for part of it, and the rest of it just filters via email addresses, like kubuntu.bugs.sponsors@hobbsee.nospammail.net
[07:25] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: everything ends up there anyway :P
[07:25] <Hobbsee> or otehr folder names
[07:25] <fdoving> Hobbsee: ok :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> fdoving: it's a GUI point and click for the most part, all server side, which is good
[07:25] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: can't we have a choice on the screen where the user puts in the username ?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> filters the apport mail, duplicates, etc.
[07:26] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yep. i do similar things with procmail serverside.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> i dont have access to procmail where the email's done
[07:26] <Hobbsee> as i dont actually have a server box here, etc.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> fdoving: procmail scares me, anyway.
[07:29] <nixternal> kdepim is a mess
[07:29] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:31] <nixternal> a ton of old reports that never received attention...1 to 2 years old..umm can you say "CLOSED"
[07:31] <nixternal> with a little note that says "if it is still a problem, please reopen this report"
[07:31] <DaSkreech> WONTFIX
[07:31] <Hobbsee> if they dont still exist
[07:31] <Hobbsee> pretty much
[07:31] <nixternal> ya
[07:31] <Hobbsee> i think you could get away with doing that, actually
[07:31] <nixternal> what sucks, is a lot of the bugs won't be fixed now that the kde 3.5.x freeze is on
[07:32] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:32] <fdoving> another good reason to close a bunch.
[07:56] <rouzic> Hi everybody
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:56] <Hobbsee> !away | rouzic
[07:56] <ubotu> rouzic: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ditto #kubuntu
[07:56] <rouzic> Hobbsee: ?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> rouzic: away messages suck, as do changing your nick.
[07:58] <rouzic> Hobbsee: oh, thanks, sorry
[07:58] <rouzic> now?
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [03:59]  <Hobbsee> yay
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [03:59]  <Hobbsee> rouzic: you can also use /away i'm away for this reason, so only anyone who tries to query you will get that.
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [04:00]  <Hobbsee> rouzic: which is what most people use, instead of nickspamming.
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [04:00]  <Hobbsee> !nickspam
[08:01] <LongPointyStick> !nickspam
[08:01] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[08:01] <LongPointyStick> client died.  yay, client.
[08:02] <rouzic> It was the Konversation that was adding the away messages automatically
[08:03] <LongPointyStick> it doesnt unless you set it to
[08:03] <LongPointyStick> i know this, as sho_ hates it too
[09:18] <linnuxxy> hi
[09:20] <linnuxxy> I'm building an Arabic Edition of Kubuntu... the starting page of the LiveCD is rendering the arabic text incorrectly... I think it is gfxboot problem... how can I debug gfxboot using qemu?
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> hello. kvm won't work for me, whereas kqemu and qemu do.
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> I have an AMD turion x2 with virtualization extensions.
[10:43] <nixternal> it's funny, when you reject a bug you get a response, however if you ask for information a few months back, nothing...
[10:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Like clarification
[10:48] <nixternal> yup
[10:50] <paran> nosrednaekim: try asking on #kvm
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> paran: ok. thanks.
[11:37] <manchicken> Is there a better kpart for svn in konq?
[11:37] <manchicken> The kdesvn kpart seems to be limited.
[11:38] <DaSkreech> To?
[11:39] <manchicken> I'd like to be able to fish:// into a path in konq, and be able to act on files there in subversion.
[11:39] <manchicken> Set properties, etc.
[11:39] <DaSkreech> You can't?
[11:39] <DaSkreech> fish:// then go to svn view ?
[11:39] <manchicken> Not with kdesvn evidently.
[11:39] <manchicken> I'm trying to use another one.
[11:39] <DaSkreech> k
[11:40] <RadiantFire> there is the one kdesdk
[11:40] <RadiantFire> its different, not necessarily better
[11:41] <manchicken> Both of them seem to... suck.
[11:41] <govert> hello
[11:41] <Riddell> mhb: poke poke, weekly report due
[11:42] <govert> i have a weird thing giong on with kubuntu, and my dial-up modem: knoqueror cannot connect to the internet, but lyunx can
[11:42] <govert> that's lynx
[11:42] <govert> and I can irc, and apt-get
[11:42] <Riddell> govert: quit knetworkmanager
[11:43] <Riddell> we really need to make that more sane for gutsy
[11:43] <mhb> Riddell: at 23:43? :o)
[11:43] <Riddell> mhb: any time on Friday :)
[11:44] <govert> thank you sir. that worked. and the reason?
[11:44] <Riddell> govert: knetworkmanager reports it isn't connected to the internet so various parts of KDE don't bother trying to connect
[11:45] <Riddell> that's useful on the whole, but if you don't use knetworkmanager it's very wrong
[11:45] <mhb> Riddell: would you be so kind and give me time until saturday morning so I can commit what I've done?
[11:45] <govert> ahh. and knetowrkmanager does not recognize dial-ups
[11:45] <Riddell> mhb: sure, that's fine
[11:45] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[11:46] <Riddell> govert: yeah.  or static IPs or various other setups.
[11:47] <govert> thankyou Johathan, i presume.
[11:49] <Riddell> Jonathan, random h's are evil
[11:49] <manchicken> Damnit, quanta crashed.
[11:50] <govert> very evil. thanks anyway :-)
[11:51] <nixternal> heh, working on kdepim bugs, well now I have a kdepim issue :)
[11:58] <manchicken> Nice.  Quanta+ when you preview it in firefox, the preview script gives you an error.