[12:44] <mikkael> on kubuntu, is that a new default font or is this just another hinting method ?
[12:51] <SlimG> mikkael: you sure it's different? to me it only look smaller
[12:52] <mikkael> whats the font called ?
[12:53] <mikkael> im not sure at all, i only saw a screenshot, im on a upgraded machine, where the mlind subixel rendering got lost now and everything is ugly :)
[12:54] <SlimG> dunno, didn't look for it, just tested the live disk
[03:06] <khermans__> hello!\
[03:06] <khermans__> is Tribe CD 1 ready and is it a good build?
[03:30] <Howdy125> khermans__, the topic say's it's released ..
[03:31] <khermans__> Howdy125, yes i was asking if it was good from people's experience -- and what time it was built
[03:32] <Howdy125> khermans__, I upgraded to it from feisty on one machine and installed it from a cd on another machine .. seems to be working well for me.
[03:33] <khermans__> Howdy125, thats exactly what i wanted to hear!
[03:33] <khermans__> Howdy125, amd64 by any chance?
[03:33] <Howdy125> khermans__, I don't have an amd64 .. sorry
[04:28] <DanaG> Argh, the "Interaggregate" xscreensaver just made xorg completely lock up.
[04:28] <DanaG> I had to sysrq-k it.
[04:31] <DanaG> ...and again, when I went to xscreensaver-demo to unset that one.
[04:33] <snerfu_1> my ipw2200 seems to be getting substantially better signal strength.
[04:47] <DanaG> (process:26213): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.  This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead.
[04:47] <DanaG> well, WTF process IS that?  If it crashes after giving that message, there's no way to know.
[04:49] <DanaG> Oh, and this time the Celtic xscreensaver killed Xorg.
[04:58] <Peaker> It seems that some time recently, /dev/pty* or some of them have become owned by the dialout group instead of tty group, which does not seem to make a lot of sense
[05:04] <RAOF> DanaG: I think that's some part of the X login spitting that out.
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> dudes, i have a file
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> this file is amazing
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> it describes several aspects of my machine all relating to the networking card which is not assigned an interface
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/files/rt2500_gutsy_2.6.22-6-generic.txt
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> could one of yall help me figure out where to file that bug report?
[05:08] <RAOF> linux-source
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know if it is kernel-related or part of some other networking extension
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> bug linux-source
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> !bug linux-source
[05:08] <BHSPitMonkey> is there a way to install ubuntu to another partition -while in- ubuntu?
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> bug 1
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> there's a link :)
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> BHSPitMonkey: that'd require some tricky bootloading
[05:09] <RAOF> If you don't get a eth?/ra?/wlan? entry, that's a kernel problem.
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: that is the symptom indeed
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> no ra0
[05:09] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: I suppose you could.  Just install Ubuquity and run it :)
[05:09] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: Not sure if that'd work, but it might :)
[05:12] <BHSPitMonkey> ToHellWithGA, well, I'm just slightly opposed to burning a CD, rebooting, installing, etc
[05:12] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, that would run into mounting issues perhaps
[05:13] <BHSPitMonkey> I guess I could unmount every extraneous partition I've mounted already
[05:13] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, trouble is, I'm really referring to installing ubuntu+1 on another partition, from ubuntu+0
[05:43] <DanaG> Argh, cannot talk to klauncher.
[05:43] <DanaG> But klauncher doesn't let you run it manually.
[05:44] <DanaG> oh, and there's a naming collision between kernel and kde.
[05:55] <cables> whatever, that's why I run in a VM :)
[06:14] <DanaG> WTF?  When my SSH session times out, the client blocks.
[06:14] <DanaG> It should really TIME OUT, not block my terminal.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's...impressive
[06:19] <DanaG> Impressive?  How?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> that it doesnt just time out
[06:41] <DanaG> http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070606VL207.html
[06:43] <DanaG> Odd feature on my laptop:
[06:43] <DanaG> FN-Super/Win == Ctrl-Alt-Del.
[06:44] <DanaG> by Super/Win, I mean Super is Win.  Heh, sounds like Engrish.
[06:44] <RAOF> Super FTW
[06:45] <DanaG>        
[06:47] <DanaG> Perfect for saying "I need a <favorite caffeinated beverage>".
[06:59] <DanaG> Did anybody a while ago ask about 17" notebook with Intel graphics?  Oddly, HP has one on their new 802.11N-equipped laptops.
[07:17] <jkimball4> So, is compiz still not functional in Tribe 1?
[07:18] <crimsun> that's a heck of a contextless question to ask, since it appears to work on my hardware.  I obviously have no clue what hardware you're using to stake that claim.
[07:18] <jkimball4> I've been running gutsy since feisty came out and compiz has had held-back packages ever since.
[07:18] <RAOF> It shouldn't.
[07:18] <crimsun> compiz,compiz-core,compiz-gnome,compiz-plugins
[07:18] <jkimball4> Interesting.  Let me try some shit then.
[07:19] <crimsun> I'm currently at a post-Tribe1 snap (1:0.5.0+git20070605-0ubuntu1)
[07:19] <crdlb> !ohmy | jkimball4
[07:19] <ubotu> jkimball4: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:19] <jkimball4> Oops, Pardon me.
[07:23] <jkimball4> Ah, I think I see the issue.  Those packages were heldback because they'd break compiz-extra which isn't at 0.5 like the rest
[07:24] <jkimball4> That's a bummer.  I really like the extra stuff.
[07:24] <RAOF> You shouldn't have to wait too long until the *new* extra stuff is uploaded to Universe.
[07:30] <DanaG> http://www.bash.org/?769132
[07:43] <PirateHead> Is Gutsy going to be released on UMPC machines? Have people started hardware testing? Is there a wiki page?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> UMPC machines?
[07:44] <DanaG> Ultra-Mobile PC
[07:45] <crimsun> as opposed to "in no way mobile. At all. With a bomb" machines
[07:45] <Hobbsee> dunno. depends which arch it actually runs on, i guess
[07:45] <PirateHead> I read press releases about Ubuntu Mobile or whatever.
[07:46] <crimsun> I suspect you'd want to read the mobile specs.
[07:46] <PirateHead> But I don't know what it means, hardware wise.
[07:46] <crimsun> there's an IRC channel for that; join up and ask them during USA business hours.
[07:46] <crimsun> mountain/pacific time.
[07:46] <PirateHead> #ubuntu-mobile ? Just a guess.
[07:47] <PirateHead> I noticed that there were people in there, but not too many.
[07:54] <Hobbsee> anyone else's openoffice fonts utterly and totally stuffed?
[07:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: they seem ok on Tribe1 and current gutsy
[07:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm getting http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png
[07:55] <crimsun> (yes, saw in -devel)
[07:55] <DanaG> Openoffice has ALWAYS had sucky fonts for me.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:55] <DanaG> The rest of Gnome and KDE have WONDERFUL fonts.
[07:56] <DanaG> Oh, I see the brokenness there.
[07:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: kubuntu tribe1?
[07:56] <crimsun> I can pull an image and test
[07:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i havent downloaded tribe 1 - this is a dist-upgraded machine
[07:57] <Hobbsee> and i havent restarted X after teh updates, but that shouldnt matter
[08:01] <crimsun> ludicrous speed.
[08:01] <crimsun> 01:59:55 (6.45 MB/s) - `gutsy-desktop-i386.iso' saved [693219328/693219328] 
[08:01] <crimsun> now why can't I get that on my 33.6?
[08:01] <RAOF> :P
[08:03] <DanaG> And a measly 300 when at home on Charter.
[08:06] <crimsun> this is from cdimage.uc to uni
[08:07] <DanaG> !google 7000 kilobytes in megabytes
[08:07] <crimsun> /8
[08:07] <DanaG> er, 1024.  not bits.
[08:07] <crimsun> no, that's for me, not you
[08:08] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:08] <crimsun> I just used the wrong window because my mouse slid over
[08:08] <DanaG> Oh, focus on hover.
[08:09] <DanaG> p   libnet-google-perl              - Simple OOP-ish interface to the Google SOA
[08:09] <DanaG> methinks that package is now useless.
[08:10] <RAOF> Aww, why has my Sid VM suddenly died?
[08:11] <crimsun> Hobbsee: tried regenerating the font cache?  `sudo fc-cache -f -v`
[08:11] <crimsun> can't reproduce it on Ubuntu Tribe1 or current gutsy
[08:11] <crimsun> waiting for Kubuntu Tribe1
[08:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: have now, doesnt fix it
[08:13] <Hobbsee> using OpenSymbol fonts
[08:54] <Starks> hi
[08:55] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu.
[09:00] <Steil> does anyone know what package pidgin needs for ssl for msn/
[09:05] <varka> Steil: gnutls i think
[09:15] <varka> Steil: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQssl
[09:17] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu.
[09:18] <coNP> Starks: you mean by Ubuntu Feisty or older now?
[09:19] <Starks> from scratch
[09:19] <ToHellWithGA> so stuff broke just a little too much for me.  is anything backported from alpha releases, or would i have to wait until october to get a backport of rtorrent?
[09:20] <ToHellWithGA> i couldn't make gutsy reinstall and/or dist-upgrade cleanly after a couple of tries
[09:30] <afflux> my gnome-panel crashes sometimes just without any error message or bug report. I can't really see a pattern for that. When it restarts, some applications like X-Chat or QuodLibet don't show up in the notification area
[09:31] <afflux> Where can I find any usefull information on what happens?
[09:42] <DarkMageZ> afflux, if gnome-panel crashed. there is a chance that there is a crash report in /var/crash
[09:43] <afflux> oh, yes. there is one.
[09:43] <afflux> thank you
[09:46] <jkimball4> When I connect to a VPN with network-manager-openvpn, nm overwrites the entries in /etc/resolv.conf causing no dns resolution to not work.  Anyone have a fix?
[10:26] <rasher> Hello, I'm having trouble pairing my phone to my laptop. I installed bluez-gnome and set my computer to be "visible and connectable", yet it doesn't show up when I search for devices on my phone (Nokia 5300). The output of hciconfig -a is here: http://pastebin.ca/549925 . I can scan with hcitool and find my phone, but don't know how to properly connect to it like that.
[10:31] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, are the modules loaded for the BT adapter?
[10:32] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, certainly. Otherwise hciconfig wouldn't list it as up and running anyway
[10:33] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[10:33] <r00tintheb0x> can you pair the devices manually?
[10:33] <rasher> As far as I can tell, the system firmly believes it should be discoverable already, but my phone's just not seeing anything. Unless I'm missing something.
[10:33] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, I don't know, how would I go about doing that?
[10:33] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, i have minimal experience w/bt & lin.
[10:34] <r00tintheb0x> im just stabbing @ it
[10:34] <rasher> Okay, well as I said I can run a scan, that finds my phone, so it's working at some level at least
[10:34] <rasher> so I might be able to manually pair the two, only I don't know how
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> i see.
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> so your phone cant see the BT adapter on your computer?
[10:35] <rasher> Exactly
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> okay, what on Linux are you using to configure the adapter?
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> .conf files?
[10:36] <rasher> All I can say about the adapter is that it works in Windows. And I have no other bluetooth devices than these two
[10:36] <rasher> I used bluez-gnome's little applet, which seems to be setting up the adapter correctly.
[10:36] <rasher> at least the changes are applied. Whether they're correct, I don't really know
[10:38] <rasher> I haven't modified anything in /etc/bluetooth/ - I'm not sure what it should be. The applet seems to be setting things on the fly, which I assume *should* be "correct" settings
[10:38] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, try running bluez-gnome with a -d flag or something so you can see exactaly what its doing
[10:38] <r00tintheb0x> and look for a "unhidden" mode inside bluez too
[10:40] <rasher> if you look at the output on pastebin I think the following line means that it ought to be visible: UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN
[10:40] <rasher> Doesn't look like the bluetooth-applet has any commanline parameters
[10:45] <rasher> Interesting.. if I run hcitool cc 00:18:C5:88:FC:0A the laptop shows up on the phone as an active connection for a split-second
[10:47] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, maybe because hcitool is initalizing it?
[10:49] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, that's my guessing. The phone rejects the connection because it's improper in some way. But why..
[10:50] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[10:51] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, whats the name of the tool?
[10:51] <r00tintheb0x> bluez?
[10:51] <r00tintheb0x> what?
[10:52] <mikkael> whats kubuntu's default font and size on gutsy , please someone
[10:52] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, There are a number of utils. The deamon is hcid. The scanning tool is hcitool. The setup (console) tool for the adapter is hciconfig. The gnome parts are bluetooth-applet and bluetooth-properties.
[10:53] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, I will now attempt to run the daemon directly so I can see any output
[10:53] <r00tintheb0x> okay
[10:55] <rasher> It's not outputting a lot. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what hcid does.
[10:56] <rasher> Maybe it's a problem that the two devices are already paired (under windows)
[10:56] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu.
[10:57] <Starks> from scratch
[11:01] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[11:01] <r00tintheb0x> ive never seen gutsy
[11:06] <rasher> Hrm, it's giving me no luck. Think I'll take this to the bluez mailing list instead.
[12:56] <_4strO> yop yop
[03:27] <ikonia> Gutsy`Gibbon [n=kaspersk@32.96.95.219.trm01-home.tm.net.my]  has joined #ubuntu
[03:27] <ikonia> gee I wonder what he wants
[05:02] <robg> can someone help a ubuntu newbie with install?
[05:02] <coNP> robg: are you installing gutsy?
[05:03] <robg> just downloaded 7.01
[05:03] <robg> excuse me, 7.04
[05:03] <theholyduck> robg, #ubuntu is That way
[05:03] <theholyduck> :P
[05:03] <coNP> robg: okay, than please forward to #ubuntu
[05:03] <theholyduck> this is for 7.10
[05:03] <robg> is that better?
[05:03] <theholyduck> its in alpha
[05:03] <coNP> robg: no it is under development
[05:04] <Pici> robg: its not stable.
[05:04] <robg> neither is 7.04
[05:04] <robg> hehehe
[05:04] <Pici> robg: nor is it released.
[05:04] <theholyduck> robg, 7.04 is
[05:04] <theholyduck> now
[05:04] <Peaker> what determines what user/group permissions /dev/* files will have?
[05:04] <coNP> robg: it will be released in October, if everything foes fine
[05:04] <theholyduck> since april or
[05:04] <theholyduck> s
[05:04] <robg> ok, thanks, I'll try #ubuntu again
[05:04] <theholyduck> ;)
[05:04] <coNP> robg: good luck :)
[05:05] <theholyduck> actualy im still running herd4
[05:05] <theholyduck> :P
[05:05] <theholyduck> on this lappy
[05:05] <theholyduck> i havent bothered upgrading like 400 packages
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> if i want to backport a package, what do i have to do?
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> would i need to build the gutsy package on the feisty toolchain?
[05:05] <coNP> I guess you have to compile it on the target system
[05:05] <coNP> and maybe nothing if everything is fine
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> i reckon some little things, like version dependencies, matter
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> the new version depends on the current gutsy libstdc++
[05:06] <coNP> then I guess you have to backport libstdc++ first
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> maybe i could just edit the source and make it depend on the most current feisty things
[05:07] <theholyduck> i was thinking.. if i changed feisty in the sources.list file to gusty and did a update then dist upgrade
[05:07] <coNP> sure
[05:07] <theholyduck> would that work?
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: i can only find out by trying, eh?
[05:07] <coNP> theholyduck: it might work
[05:07] <theholyduck> yeh
[05:07] <coNP> I did that
[05:07] <theholyduck> well i was going to try
[05:07] <Peaker> that's what you do to upgrade to gutsy in general, no?
[05:08] <theholyduck> i did try to instal by cd
[05:08] <theholyduck> didnt work
[05:08] <theholyduck> at all
[05:08] <Peaker> so, i found a bug in /dev's permissions in gutsy - but I don't know what package/who is responsible. :P
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> browsing the pool to get that source though... oy vey
[05:08] <theholyduck> like.. it crashed on all my 3 attempts
[05:08] <theholyduck> :P
[05:08] <Peaker> ToHellWithGA: apt-get source?
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> Peaker: i have to turn on those repos though
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> i'm currently running feisty b/c gutsy went more unstable than i could handle for me
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> but i'd like to pull a couple of the packages
[05:09] <theholyduck> i know what.. im gonna upgrade to feisty stable.. then create a chroot with feisty and upgrade that to gibsy
[05:09] <theholyduck> then try to boot into that
[05:09] <theholyduck> :P
[05:10] <theholyduck> i just need to resize my root partition and create a new partition
[05:10] <coNP> theholyduck: actually you should create a gutsy chroot in a feisty chroot in an edgy chroot on a dapper system :)
[05:10] <theholyduck> :P
[05:10] <theholyduck> or.. i could just go and unpack my stationary and install on a free partition on that
[05:11] <theholyduck> this laptop sucks anyway
[05:11] <theholyduck> go 1.4ghz celeron and 256 mb ram
[05:11] <Peaker> I know a guy who replaced his Redhat install with a Debian install by installing Debian in a chroot jail, and then migrating its files to overwrite the root files
[05:12] <theholyduck> with full gnome.. yay
[05:12] <theholyduck> i really ought to install debian on this
[05:12] <coNP> it is not as hard as it seems
[05:12] <theholyduck> the ubuntu debian. default is tooo bloated
[05:12] <theholyduck> hm
[05:12] <theholyduck> wtf
[05:12] <theholyduck> ubuntu gnome
[05:12] <theholyduck> :P
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: i got that vibe too
[05:13] <theholyduck> that the default ubuntu gnome is too bloated
[05:13] <theholyduck> ?
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> but it was difficult maintaining a very large list of packages to keep up to date rather than just accepting the small failures of the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[05:14] <theholyduck> you know.. if i had alot of time.. id create myself a ubuntu-desktop-nonbloat metapackage
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> the default ubuntu gnome has a bunch of stuff i will never use.  gnome-desktop-environment has so little that one must add many little packages
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: you could do ubuntu-minimal and gnome-desktop-environment
[05:15] <gnomefreak> guys can you take this topic to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> iirc that was a fairly small footprint
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> gnomefreak: how can i c/o source for a gutsy package while in feisty?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> c/o?
[05:15] <Toma-> "ubuntu-basic" would be nice
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> check out
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> my bad
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like to download the source to the gutsy rtorrent and see if it can be built using the feisty toolchain
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> for a backport
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: you can as long as you are not running it ;)
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: should beable to
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: dont run it until build for feisty
[05:16] <theholyduck> ToHellWithGA, is there really something stoping you from doing a apt-get build-dep rtorrent and dling the official source?
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: there is an existing gutsy package
[05:16] <theholyduck> but not in feisty+
[05:16] <theholyduck> ?
[05:17] <ToHellWithGA> why should i build from source and not have the benefits of package management?
[05:17] <theholyduck> you know.. you can make a debian package very fast with checkinstall
[05:17] <ToHellWithGA> checkinstall doesn't help anyone else though
[05:17] <theholyduck> true dat
[05:17] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage is easy too :)
[05:17] <coNP> ToHellWithGA: why don't you compile the gutsy package on feisty? and install the package?
[05:18] <ToHellWithGA> that's exactly what i'd like to do, but i don't know how to find the gutsy source package while on feisty
[05:18] <gnomefreak> coNP: thats what he plans on doing
[05:18] <theholyduck> i got a flash pen with .deb's of all my custom builds that i use for ubuntu
[05:18] <theholyduck> :P
[05:18] <ToHellWithGA> should i just run a VM and use that to find the source .deb?
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:18] <gnomefreak> grab the tar.gz the .diff.tar.gz and the .dsc
[05:18] <coNP> I would append the gutsy source repo and let apt-get  do the dirty part for me :)
[05:19] <gnomefreak> unpack .dsc look in control to see what dpends need to be met for feisty and install them and build (maybe change the changelog as well
[05:20] <ToHellWithGA> gnomefreak: thanks man
[05:20] <gnomefreak> ywe
[05:20] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), cdbs, libtorrent-dev (>= 0.11.4), libsigc++-2.
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> 0-dev, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libncurses5-dev, bc
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> so i just need to find feisty analogues of those packages and make an effort to build it
[05:21] <gnomefreak> the ones without versiopn leave alone
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> looks like libtorrent-dev is gonna be the big one
[05:21] <gnomefreak> install them but no need to change version. debhelper version is good
[05:22] <gnomefreak> hold on it should be good as well
[05:22] <ToHellWithGA> 0.10.4 is the feisty version
[05:22] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[05:22] <gnomefreak> no its not
[05:22] <ToHellWithGA> so i guess i'll need to build libtorrent-dev then rtorrent
[05:22] <gnomefreak> libtorrent-dev: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
[05:23] <gnomefreak> its not in feisty by the looks of it
[05:23] <gnomefreak> change it to libtorrent9-dev should work
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> there are some changes of note
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> inclusion of protocol encryption
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> some major things
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: than you will have to build it for feisty along with any depends and rdepends
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: you may be looking at a week of building
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> that's cool
[05:25] <ToHellWithGA> rdepends are depends of depends?
[05:25] <gnomefreak> patches may fail as well so you might want to merge from debian
[05:25] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: reverse depends
[05:25] <gnomefreak> apt-cache rdepends package
[05:25] <gnomefreak> apt-cache depends package
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: some may not be needed but hard to say without looking too deep into it
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ToHellWithGA: reverse depends
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> you got me all excited about reverse depends
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: you  may want to consult -motu on this
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> the only ones listed are libtorrent/rtorrent things
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> hi Hobbsee
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: does ubuntu have a gpg signing thing by default?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> like, seahorse or something?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: gnupg
[05:27] <gnomefreak> im sure another one or 2
[05:27] <Hobbsee> that's not an agent
[05:27] <Hobbsee> gpg-agent?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> maybe looking through it now
[05:28] <Hobbsee> thanks
[05:28] <gnomefreak> i thought it did
[05:28] <gnomefreak> gnome-keyring-manager closest thing but not sure if that is agent
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop (doesnt show one)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> iirc the docs for gpg tell you to install gpg-agent
[05:30] <Hobbsee> right
[05:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i should have a look at hte gpg-agent preinst, then
[07:25] <greg_g>  question for ya guys (Gusty Kubuntu related): if I added the kubuntu fiesty kde 3.5.7 repo, but I think that might be causing me problems, how can I down-grade the apps that were upgraded with that repo?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> greg_g: remove the repo, and update, and dist-upgrade
[07:27] <Hobbsee> greg_g: should be OK, as hte packages are fairly close
[07:27] <greg_g> I was having problems with gtk apps not running in kde
[07:28] <greg_g> including firefox though
[07:30] <Hobbsee> feisty 3.5.7 repo wont help with that
[07:30] <Hobbsee> 3.5.7 is in gutsy by default.
[07:32] <Rprp> hi, im on gutsy now, but how can i get the fonts of feisty?
[07:35] <clyde> has anyone in this room installed gDesklets on 7.10?
[07:36] <clyde> :)
[07:45] <Rprp> hi, im on gutsy now, but how can i get the fonts of feisty?
[07:48] <coNP> Rprp: what fonts? I guess the same packages are available as for feisty.
[07:49] <Rprp> coNP: Dunno, but the fonts are changed. :/
[07:49] <coNP> oh, you mean the fonts that appear in the dialogs?
[07:56] <hackeron> Hey, it says on ubuntudaily.com that Gusty Gibbon repositories are open? -- But I tried to change feisty to gusty in my sources.list but when I do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -- there are no new packages???
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hackeron: -ECANNOTSPELL
[07:57] <Rprp> hmm, the fonts are too small, like in Xchat and firefox, how can i get back to the fonts in feisty? :< (Sorry for my bad english anyway)
[07:57] <hackeron> Hobbsee: sorry?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hackeron: gusty doesnt exist.  gutsy does.
[07:57] <Pici> hackeron: gutsy not gusty
[07:57] <hackeron> oh, lol, right
[07:58] <Hobbsee> Rprp: they keep changing them.  you cna probably specifiy them in gconf or something
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hackeron: *grin*
[07:58] <Rprp> hmmm
[07:59] <hackeron> sweet, thanks :)
[07:59] <hackeron> 30 minutes away from breaking my system, lol
[07:59] <Rprp> Hobbsee: gconf isnt a command, right? :P
[08:03] <Rprp> hmm, the fonts are too small, like in Xchat and firefox, how can i get back to the fonts in feisty? :< (Sorry for my bad english anyway)
[08:03] <hackeron> hmm, when you search for gusty on google, it matches gutsy and doesn't show a spelling mistake or anything -- interesting.
[09:00] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu from scratch?
[09:01] <Starks> i can't even get X to start for the LiveCD.
[09:13] <ToHellWithGA> Starks: that's a bummer, man
[09:13] <ToHellWithGA> if it is any consolation, i couldn't get X to start at all from a working gutsy install
[09:21] <Starks> ...
[10:30] <bipolar> Starks: what video card?
[11:53] <khermans> there is a conflict between ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk -- are these issues to be noted to bug reported?
[11:53] <khermans> this is on amd64
[11:53] <khermans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24774/