=== Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200.163.201.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@21-166.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] Is the How to request new packages part of the UbuntuBackports page current? === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spastic__teapot [n=joe@66-188-130-15.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] After switching to Ubuntu, I've noticed that my transfer rate on downloading files has increased by about 250%. [01:02] I used to get 50-60kbps, now I'm getting maybe 250 on average. [01:03] How on earth did you pull THAT off? [01:03] magic. [01:03] black magic [01:03] I assumed as much. [01:05] For a while I was pulling 500 kilobytes/second on a download. This is on a 3mbps maximum internet connection. Shared between two people. Over a wireless router. [01:05] Not that I'm complaining. [01:06] bdmurray: as opposed to BackportRequestProcess ? [01:07] crimsun: I was looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports [01:07] either way both seem sparse === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] bdmurray: presuming the source package exists in gutsy, I'd file a bug against it and sub u-b [01:11] somebody wanted a hal fdi update for feisty bug I imagine it also applies for gutsy === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF thought backports weren't for fixing bugs. [01:14] right, it's not [01:15] that likely should be a -proposed->-updates [01:18] if it meets the SRU criteria [01:18] sometimes the answer is just "gutsy" [01:19] (like the console breakage in feisty. it does bite people, but there's a choice of two fairly simple workarounds, and the real fix is rather invasive and a little risky) [01:19] cjwatson: good evening :) [01:20] hello [01:20] about to go to bed though ;-) [01:20] you were asking about something installer-related the other night? [01:20] oh if there is a way to install a different version of ubuntu with a cd === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj_ [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] calc: oh, you could try mirror/suite=feisty or whatever but it's very much not supported and unlikely to work [01:26] it's possible you might be lucky [01:26] hmm, I think cdrom/suite actually [01:26] calc: it would be simpler to download the netboot mini.iso for the relevant release [01:26] oh ok [01:26] thats what i ended up doing [01:27] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/DIST/main/installer-ARCH/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [01:27] mini.iso is only about 9mb so it was quick enough to download === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] yeah, that's the simplest option [01:27] i had to go back to feisty because it appears intel wireless is broken on gutsy [01:27] People keep saying that, but I don't see it. [01:28] i saw a report of 2200 not working and 3945 didn't work for me [01:28] it saw the network but never connected [01:28] calc: do make sure a bug's filed ... [01:28] so i don't know where the issue is actually [01:28] *My* 3945 works just fine. [01:28] might be worth trying the new iwlwifi driver if you aren't already [01:29] i'll give that a try when i go back to gutsy (soonish) [01:29] i'm in the middle of a compile to see if the ALC268 patch works for sound on my laptop [01:29] got the laptop this past monday [01:30] i was so happy suspend to ram worked :) [01:30] What's this new iwlwifi driver? Another intel wireless driver? Why? [01:30] my old laptop could never wake back up [01:30] RAOF: it comes from Intel [01:30] gets rid of the binary daemon thin [01:30] g [01:30] RAOF: the one based on the new 80211 layer (iirc) [01:30] Oooh. Cool. === noodz [n=theguy@c-68-40-169-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] RAOF: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi [01:31] Man, I'm glad I got an intel wireless chip. [01:31] grr trying to apply the patch i managed to do something wrong and it died compiling after 39m, heh [01:32] oh well, time for dinner, bbl === d33p__ [n=luibg@205.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ is now known as luisbg_ === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-211-46.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] Is there a procedure for marking a bug in some fashion so that some more "important" people will look at it and perhaps offer suggestions on the fix? === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg [01:56] Hmm. More specifically I want commentary on the suggested fix. 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[06:24] symbol that's not supposed to be there, maybe? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@collinsap1.phunnypharm.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@collinsap1.phunnypharm.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === IanC26 [n=IanC26@WNPP-p-203-54-28-175.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@WNPP-p-203-54-28-175.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-22-54.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508d83d5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] fabbione, thanks [07:01] pygi: i think that most of the errors you are getting is because you want to play smart with LITTLE/BIG ENDIAN [07:02] fabbione, i'm not playing smart. Not my software =) [07:02] ppc and sparc are both endian... also remember that sparc must be 64 bit aligned [07:02] make that big endian [07:03] got [07:03] got it* [07:07] fabbione, will need to see what can I do about that (if anything) === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] Good morning [07:36] morning pitti, how are you? :) [07:37] pygi: *yawn* good morning [07:37] pitti, hehe :) [07:41] morning pitti! [07:42] hi Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs pitti === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] hrm. why are my openoffice fonts stuffed? [07:48] they show as boxes.. [07:50] All of them? [07:52] ste [07:52] StevenK: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png [07:53] Neat! [07:53] yes! [07:54] Beat doko about his person with that photo when he surfaces? [07:54] morning simira [07:54] heh [07:54] s/photo/screenshot/ === ct2rips__ [n=ct2rips@p54868970.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.16.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gcmcnutt [n=gcmcnutt@71-209-152-111.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=chris@dhcp047078.wireless.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcheu [n=marcheu@lattice.u-strasbg.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-074-018-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF_ [n=chris@dhcp047034.wireless.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] doko: do you know why i'd be getting http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png on any openoffice variant, under kde, in gutsy? [08:34] it's using OpenSymbol fonts, both in kde and gtk apps [08:35] looks nice ;) [08:35] Hobbsee: looks like a font problem; KDE? did you install additional fonts? [08:35] is this the symbol font? [08:36] doko: not that i remember doing. when changing it back to sans in the gtk section of kcontrol, it still comes up with that - seemingly for any font i use [08:36] no - it's a normal font [08:36] RAOF: your connection *sucks*. you're really not inspiring me to go into uni [08:36] Is there a form for "needs packaging" requests? [08:37] !motu [08:37] motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [08:37] ccm: see ^ [08:37] Hobbsee: Nah, that's actually me upgrading network-manager [08:37] i belive it's linked to there [08:37] RAOF: ahhh... [08:37] Hobbsee: thank you === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] uh oh, pitti's back. everyone behave! === Treenaks cries, because upgrading to gutsy made sound not work :'( === desrt misbehaves [08:39] hey desrt [08:39] Hobbsee: just rebooting :) === Hobbsee axe murders desrt. gotta live up to my image! [08:40] argh, who pinged about sound? [08:40] crimsun: Treenaks. [08:40] I see. [08:40] crimsun: me! :) [08:40] Hobbsee; you fixate rather readily on an off-the-cuff remark that i'd have made about anybody given the context :p [08:40] desrt: *grin* [08:40] Treenaks: http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh [08:40] crimsun: bug #119266 [08:40] Launchpad bug 119266 in Ubuntu "Intel HDA Sound device doesn't work in gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119266 [08:40] desrt: you never know, i might be an axe murderer anyway... [08:40] Hobbsee; well! you certainly look like one! [08:40] "" === Hobbsee does have the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [08:40] haha === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F779EF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] well, let's see, LP seems to have gone on vacation. [08:41] it's the impending public holiday [08:41] sends all technology to hell. [08:41] Hobbsee: hmm, try to uninstall ttf-opensymbol? [08:41] good morning [08:42] dholbach; hello. [08:42] hiya desrt === Hobbsee hugs dholbach in greeting :) [08:42] crimsun: Seems to be working for me. [08:42] crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/549772 [08:42] my eyes want to fall out === dholbach hugs Hobbsee ... a lot === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] doko: wants to remove all of ooo [08:42] doko: (was that the plan?) [08:43] no [08:43] strange ... === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] GString is a really poorly named class in terms of google searchability.... [08:44] haha [08:45] haha [08:46] "I remember this diagram showing gstring and some other bits of G*, let's use the image search"... === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] morning Mithrandir [08:47] dirty dirty mithrandir [08:47] morning little Hobbsee [08:47] Treenaks: easy, already fixed. Missing SSID quirk entry. Will push to upstream now. [08:47] desrt: you have seen the third result for "jono bacon" havent you? [08:47] crimsun: yay! :) [08:47] Treenaks: you need model=ref === Hobbsee towers over Mithrandir === desrt fears [08:47] Hobbsee: I got another penguin! [08:47] gotta love Dells. [08:48] Hobbsee: http://err.no/tmp/pingvin/ [08:48] crimsun: hmmm. dell. :) [08:48] or maybe hate Dells due to the utterly necessary quirks, but whatever. [08:48] Hobbsee; cute kid. he looks about 12 :p [08:48] Mithrandir: woo!!! is this one going in the office, or at home? === Hobbsee used to have a penguin like that, incidently [08:49] crimsun: that worked [08:49] crimsun: (at least.. the mixer bits did, testing audio now) [08:50] Hobbsee: it already seems to be very happy standing behind the scanner [08:50] Mithrandir: hehe, fair enough [08:50] desrt: maybe it's changed then :P [08:50] Surely it should go on the TV? [08:50] desrt: they were discussing it during the planet editorial spec [08:50] weird [08:51] searching "ryan lortie" on google image search gets you pictures of jeff waugh and seb128 [08:51] haha [08:51] oh bugger it. my blog now comes up [08:52] Comes up where? [08:52] 9 links in the first 2 pages on google search results for "sarah hobbs" [08:52] it used to be 0, for yeras [08:52] *years [08:52] fabbione: hm, http://git.ubuntu.com/ doesn't exist; what was the actual host name again? [08:52] 13 in the first 3 [08:53] oh the vanity. [08:53] Heh [08:53] you google yourself frequently enough to track the changes with respect to time :p [08:53] nothing in images searches === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] fabbione: ah, got it [08:54] desrt: sure - i'm used ot keeping a very low profile, and keeping hobbsee and sarah hobbs completely separate, for obvious reasons. [08:54] Hobbsee; you know that logs from this irc channel are published to the web, right? :p [08:54] desrt: true that. but i only started using my real name online ~6 months ago... [08:54] ditto pictures and such [08:54] ah === desrt was like that for a while [08:55] mainly because at that point i knew i had a large probability of being sponsored to UDS, and knew that people would find out who she was that way. [08:55] s/she/i/ [08:55] a few projects had AUTHORS files with a big lists of fullnames and "desrt" randomly in the middle :p [08:55] hehe === Hobbsee still went by hobbsee for the conference. *shrugs* [08:55] for introducing, anyway. answered to both. === desrt not looking forward to writing a parser in C.... === RAOF wonders why desrt is even doing so. Surely enough parsers-in-C have already been written. [08:57] desrt: libperl is your friend ;) === linnuxxy [n=linux@212.38.136.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] RAOF: there's even a parser-generator ;) [08:57] There's a few. [08:57] :) [08:57] Yapp and Rec-Descent [08:57] Treenaks; :p [08:57] Treenaks: not to push, but it's nearly 3 A.M. here, and I'm waiting to send this hg changeset. [08:58] crimsun: it works [08:58] thanks. [08:58] pitti: ehehe ok :) [09:00] how can i find the package which is display the first page of the LiveCD... the page of choosing from Start or Install Ubuntu.. Start Ubuntu in Safe mode ...etc? === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] gfxboot === desrt_ [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] looks like somebody at freenode tripped over a cable.... === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] or you did ;P === desrt_ is now known as desrt [09:03] he did :) [09:03] if you think my IRC is limited to one network, yr crazy. all the other ones were fine :p === dtolj_ [n=b6001b10@142.204.140.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sleepy_Coder [n=z_Z_z_Z_@adsl-69-225-6-59.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F73866.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] hey dholbach_ [09:09] re === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] looks like lots of people tripped over cables :p [09:12] it's just the internet breaking again [09:13] Hobbsee: must be your internets then :) [09:13] Treenaks: i didnt drop [09:14] yet [09:14] Treenaks: but i'm tempted to stick an extra client in for this weekend, which is based in the US [09:14] as we're getting major storms and such === Seveas drops Hobbsee on the internets === Hobbsee breaks [09:15] Seveas: You broke her! [09:15] Seveas: what's your appeal in attempting to break me? [09:16] I attempted to break the internets, not you [09:16] Seveas: try throwing something a bit heavier then === Seveas drops Treenaks on the internets === Treenaks floats away gently# [09:17] sure Arthur :p [09:18] Seveas: you've attempted to break me before, though. [09:18] Hobbsee: He wants that confession! [09:18] That was an attempt to throw you in the pool [09:18] Treenaks, not needed, I know more than enough blackmail material already :) === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] Seveas: ah, the true BOFH [09:20] Treenaks, indeed [09:20] Seveas: a stupid one, yes. [09:21] Treenaks, I broke my record of causing problems yesterday. Previous one was half the building not being able to log in. Yesterday it was the entire building :) [09:22] Seveas: So you can say goodbye to your new contract? :P [09:22] neh [09:23] hah. bad Seveas [09:23] Hobbsee, bad Seveas breaks things for 2 buildings and about 10 branch offices. Didn't gt that far yet === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] Seveas: that's next week [09:24] haha [09:24] Treenaks, could be === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt grumbles [09:45] poor desrt [09:46] :( [09:46] poor me [09:57] hmmm there is a cvs import of gnash trunk in LP ... is it possible at all to update that without --overriding everything? [10:08] asac: it should auto-update if it's in ~vcs-imports - is it not doing so? === pochu [n=emilio@14.Red-88-27-31.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] cjwatson: last revision: "# [10:09] By strk on 2006-10-14 [10:09] ... so no. [10:11] cjwatson: actually now gnash has finally branched development in cvs for 0.8 ... which I would need ... is there a form in lp to request synch for that? === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] asac, file a bug [10:14] whoa [10:14] to get a synch for branch 0.8? or for the "does not update branch" bug ? [10:15] pygi: ? [10:15] asac: if you're the product registrant, you can edit it directly [10:15] asac: otherwise, talk to ddaa [10:15] asac, for sync [10:15] usually a bug is not the correct answer IME [10:15] they sometimes use the support tracker for that [10:16] pygi: yeah ... but first i would really like to be sure that cvs branches really auto-update; otherwise its not worth the effort imo [10:16] they are supposed to automatically update, yes [10:16] but perhaps e.g. the CVS details changed [10:16] ah, hmm [10:16] see https://launchpad.net/gnash/trunk [10:16] "The Bazaar import has been suspended and is no longer updated. The source details for this series are locked and can only be modified by vcs-imports members and Launchpad administrators." [10:16] talk to ddaa and find out what's going on [10:17] cjwatson: ok === asac search for ddaa :) === mneptok [n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@cl-185.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a67513.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === matinc [n=ubiq@218.20.1.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] mdz: mind to have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/WikiCleanUp ? [11:04] dholbach: ok [11:05] dholbach: I would add explicitly that smaller documents should be merged into UbuntuDevelopment, while large documents should be linked [11:06] if it's longer than, say, a few paragraphs, it should be considered for linking instead [11:06] with a summary in UbuntuDevelopment [11:06] mdz: good idea - I'd like to use UbuntuDevelopment as a namespace to make easier them findable [11:07] dholbach: if you find that the section layout in UbuntuDevelopment doesn't meet all your needs, we can expand/revise it [11:15] mdz: thanks for checking it out [11:16] persia: what do you think about http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/WikiCleanUp? [11:18] dholbach: If I were objective, I'd really like it, but currently it fills me with awe at your organisation and a renewed sense of time pressure to complete my review of all the documents in the wiki as sources to feed the UbuntuDevelopment documentation. === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-126-48.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] persia: I absolutely don't want to put any pressure on you. [11:19] persia: mdz suggested to write it up, so we can get more followers in tackling this problem [11:20] pitti: hi [11:20] dholbach: Don't worry. If I find more useful documents to apply after work is started, my delay just means more work for me later. I'm driven by my laziness, not your effort. Having a spec is a good thing, I completely agree with the goals, and like the idea of merging with UbuntuDevelopment. [11:21] excellent [11:21] persia: do you have a working list or some place where you made notes about your wiki review? === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] hi carlos [11:22] I mean... better working list than CategoryMOTU - if not, I'd copy it and we could have a MOTU/WikiCleanUp/WorkList or something [11:23] dholbach: At this point, it's still in my GNOME stickies and a firefox session, and I still have a couple thoulsand non-redirect pages to review. I'll try to get something written up with lists of docs and ideas of what can merge and what can drop this weekend. [11:23] pitti: When should I switch to export language pack updates instead of full exports for Gutsy? [11:23] persia: you rock - thanks SO much === dholbach hugs persia [11:23] dholbach: I think CategoryMOTU is a good working list. My wider search is more about linking to other namespaces (e.g. Bugs/) so that we don't duplicate things between teams. [11:23] carlos: oh, good point. Why not do it right now [11:24] it'd be nice if we could announce our plans soon and get started on improving the wiki step by step [11:24] persia: right, that's perfect [11:24] persia: I'll start off MOTU/WikiCleanUp/WorkList then [11:24] pitti: based on which language pack date? (I need to know the timestamp.txt content) [11:25] dholbach: There's still the identity question also. Using the MOTU namespace maintains a separate (and perhaps interesting) MOTU identity, which isn't as strongly reflected with a more coherent and accessible documentation model under UbuntuDevelopment. I'm not sure that's important from a documentation perspective, but I don't know if it may have morale effects. [11:25] carlos: 20070603 [11:25] dholbach: Great. I'll catch up with you when I've finished looking at the list. [11:25] persia: we will keep the MOTU namespace, but more for team organisation [11:25] pitti: ok [11:26] dholbach: Sounds good to me, but you might want to check with other interested parties as well. [11:26] persia: people will be able to find out what MOTU is, when the next meeting is, etc - but will be pointed to other process and other documentation elsewhere [11:26] absolutely, I want to announce the plan before === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] cjwatson: is there a preferred spec for encrypted filesystems. There seem to be able four in the specs system [11:36] cjwatson: eg. transparent-home-encryption, encrypted-filesystems, dm-crypt [11:37] cjwatson: I'm now working for an employer were it's a requirement so I should get some time (and alsa at Debconf) to work on it, if there's a chosen direction that came out of hte Sevilla disccusions [11:38] sladen: I think dm-crypt is the main one at the moment === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c13:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] Mithrandir: At some point, the "yay, you've succesfully installed apache2, etc."-page was removed in apache in favour of a file that just says "it works". Do you happen to know why? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] shawarma: it's a debian change, afaik [11:51] though that hardly gives a reason [11:51] ajmitch: I know, but Mithrandir seems to be one of the Debian maintainers. === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] shawarma: probably somebody pointed out that it was not professional to say "yay" [11:52] fabbione: Now, someone is pointing out that it's not professional to say "it works". I shit you not. :) [11:53] I imagine it'll be because that page was often seen by random people looking for some website, who would then end up bothering the software maintainers. [11:53] iwj: That's a good point. [11:53] That certainly used to happen quite a lot. [11:53] bug 89364 [11:53] Launchpad bug 89364 in apache2 "Apache2 default site contains only the words "It works!"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89364 [11:53] medium? :) [11:54] iwj: Sounds like a perfectly good reason to reject that bug. [11:54] fabbione: /me shrugs === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] iwj: Thanks! === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] shawarma: yeah, there's absolutely no content that someone doesn't like [11:57] thom: Yeah. I actually rejected another bug becuase it was resolved by only having "it works" there. :) === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF924.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c13:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cody [n=tobias@p5488EC24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] pitti: Hi, what's the status on the xvidcore SRU for feisty? There should now be packages uploaded to feisty-updates. (bug #84705) [12:20] Launchpad bug 84705 in xvidcore "[Feisty] libxvidcore missing dependency for yasm for i386 arch : more than 3 times slower than in edgy" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84705 [12:20] shawarma: we got tired of mails from users saying "You have hax0red my web server" or even better "You hax0red www.example.com, you evil bastards" === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] geser: right, I'll go through SRUs today [12:22] thanks [12:22] the ubuntu-motu ML gets a weekly reminder about it already === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] Mithrandir: *g* === lfittl [n=lfittl@cl-185.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono_ [n=jono@88-107-87-242.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.95.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] pitti: around ? [12:49] hi Lutin [12:49] hi [12:50] pitti: when you rejected my upload for cinepaint to proposed, you said I'd better upload the package which is in proposed first, I'd just like to know why :) [12:51] Lutin: IIRC I didn't reject it for that reason, right? [12:51] Lutin: otherwise we'd just stack new stuff in -proposed without ever releasing it, and testing of multiple changes is more difficult [12:51] pitti: that wasn't the only reason, yeah [12:52] pitti: without the 2nd fix, cinepaint will install but not even launch [12:52] Lutin: oh, I see [12:52] would be kind of frustrating to upload it [12:53] Lutin: well, then another -proposed one makes indeed sense; I wasn't aware of that, sorry [12:53] pitti: ok, fine, I'll do that? thanks [12:53] s/?/. [12:54] doko: did you notice #119110 ? [12:56] fabbione: didn't see that, although I don't have Core2 Duo hardware [12:56] doko: neither do i but i think Ben does [01:00] iwj: do you have any idea why hell of a lot of people end up with clvm installed? [01:00] at this point i think we should change the init script to be more stupid and a pain for sysadmins === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] fabbione: No, I don't know why they have it installed. But packages should in general be installable IMO :-). [01:06] And being able to deinstall it again when it turns out to have been a mistake is I think essential. [01:06] So yes please change it. [01:07] i see why it fails to install... [01:07] the changes we did in the SRU have been reverted [01:07] ok.. let me try to find something that can possible work without trashing user data [01:07] that package when configured become Essential: more than the other [01:08] iwj: ok let me fix it... [01:09] fabbione: Thanks. [01:10] no problem [01:10] i just wonder when we lost the fix we did.. [01:10] but well .. no big deal i guess [01:14] Who's got archive duty today? [01:15] o/ [01:16] pitti: I'm an idiot. Please nuke/reject/remove/whatever ebox-{openvpn,ca,network}. [01:17] shawarma: uploaded to? [01:17] pitti: gutsy.. :( [01:17] pitti: Rather than my ppa. I can't spell, apparantly. [01:18] shawarma: oh, those are NEW packages in gutsy; that's easy [01:18] pitti: Ah, yes, I suppose I should have pointed that out. [01:18] otherwise I could only reject them out of accepted, which would generate some confusing noise :) [01:18] shawarma: killed [01:18] \o/ [01:19] pitti: Thanks! [01:19] np [01:21] pitti: did you ever get around to accept multipath-tools ? [01:21] fabbione: I'll do this today when I start SRU (after lunch, ETA an hour) [01:21] fabbione: too busy with release stuff until yesterday, sorry [01:22] pitti: ok cool.. no rush please.. [01:22] I already asked for another archive admin to take my Friday shift [01:22] pitti: nothing to be sorry about. you have been busy for good reasons :) === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-5-147.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Guts-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pd9e61df5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200.140.229.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Keybuk: i am preparing an lvm2 upload to fix some clvm stuff.. any idea why the init script for clvm was dropped from the merge? or just a simple mistake? [01:44] I didn't think it was dropped? === Keybuk still sees clvm.init in the package [01:45] can't be.. [01:45] there was no dh_installinit for it in the feisty package [01:45] oh, hmm, maybe there was [01:45] dpkg -c /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lvm2/clvm_2.02.24-6ubuntu1_i386.deb |grep etc | wc -l [01:45] 0 [01:45] that's probably what got dropped by accident [01:45] there was :) [01:45] yeah that's ok.. just making 100% sure [01:45] yeah [01:45] should be [01:46] i am readding it.. [01:46] dh_installinit -p clvm --no-restart-on-upgrade -- start 65 S . start 3 0 6 . === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] yeps.. i have it from feisty sources [01:49] thanks [01:51] hmmm we should also pull in the new upstream version for lvm2 [01:51] it has an important fix when working with qdisk [01:51] is that in Debian yet? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dfeser [n=dfeser@p548B020B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] hi all! [01:54] some kernel-geeks here? === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] Keybuk: nope [01:54] dfeser: #ubuntu-kernel === sivang [n=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] hey sivang [01:55] hi pygi [01:55] fabbione: would make the next merge trickier [01:55] sivang, how is it going? [01:55] but then we're not carrying any major patchage to the source [01:55] pygi: I'm not sure [01:56] pygi: managed to crash my feisty with some possibly ill written python threading code :) [01:56] Keybuk: it can wait up till UVF. The qdisk is nothing used in common configs or setups.. if debian doesn't make it by a week from UVF, we can just pull in new upstream [01:57]