[12:52] <bdmurray> Is the How to request new packages part of the UbuntuBackports page current?
[01:02] <Spastic__teapot> After switching to Ubuntu, I've noticed that my transfer rate on downloading files has increased by about 250%. 
[01:02] <Spastic__teapot> I used to get 50-60kbps, now I'm getting maybe 250 on average.
[01:03] <Spastic__teapot> How on earth did you pull THAT off?
[01:03] <crimsun> magic.
[01:03] <bdmurray> black magic
[01:03] <Spastic__teapot> I assumed as much.
[01:05] <Spastic__teapot> For a while I was pulling 500 kilobytes/second on a download. This is on a 3mbps maximum internet connection. Shared between two people. Over a wireless router.
[01:05] <Spastic__teapot> Not that I'm complaining.
[01:06] <crimsun> bdmurray: as opposed to BackportRequestProcess ?
[01:07] <bdmurray> crimsun: I was looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:07] <bdmurray> either way both seem sparse
[01:10] <crimsun> bdmurray: presuming the source package exists in gutsy, I'd file a bug against it and sub u-b
[01:11] <bdmurray> somebody wanted a hal fdi update for feisty bug I imagine it also applies for gutsy
[01:14] <crimsun> right, it's not
[01:15] <crimsun> that likely should be a -proposed->-updates
[01:18] <cjwatson> if it meets the SRU criteria
[01:18] <cjwatson> sometimes the answer is just "gutsy"
[01:19] <cjwatson> (like the console breakage in feisty. it does bite people, but there's a choice of two fairly simple workarounds, and the real fix is rather invasive and a little risky)
[01:19] <calc> cjwatson: good evening :)
[01:20] <cjwatson> hello
[01:20] <cjwatson> about to go to bed though ;-)
[01:20] <cjwatson> you were asking about something installer-related the other night?
[01:20] <calc> oh if there is a way to install a different version of ubuntu with a cd
[01:26] <cjwatson> calc: oh, you could try mirror/suite=feisty or whatever but it's very much not supported and unlikely to work
[01:26] <cjwatson> it's possible you might be lucky
[01:26] <cjwatson> hmm, I think cdrom/suite actually
[01:26] <cjwatson> calc: it would be simpler to download the netboot mini.iso for the relevant release
[01:26] <calc> oh ok
[01:26] <calc> thats what i ended up doing
[01:27] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/DIST/main/installer-ARCH/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[01:27] <calc> mini.iso is only about 9mb so it was quick enough to download
[01:27] <cjwatson> yeah, that's the simplest option
[01:27] <calc> i had to go back to feisty because it appears intel wireless is broken on gutsy
[01:27] <RAOF> People keep saying that, but I don't see it.
[01:28] <calc> i saw a report of 2200 not working and 3945 didn't work for me
[01:28] <calc> it saw the network but never connected
[01:28] <cjwatson> calc: do make sure a bug's filed ...
[01:28] <calc> so i don't know where the issue is actually
[01:28] <RAOF> *My* 3945 works just fine.
[01:28] <cjwatson> might be worth trying the new iwlwifi driver if you aren't already
[01:29] <calc> i'll give that a try when i go back to gutsy (soonish)
[01:29] <calc> i'm in the middle of a compile to see if the ALC268 patch works for sound on my laptop
[01:29] <calc> got the laptop this past monday
[01:30] <calc> i was so happy suspend to ram worked :)
[01:30] <RAOF> What's this new iwlwifi driver?  Another intel wireless driver?  Why?
[01:30] <calc> my old laptop could never wake back up
[01:30] <cjwatson> RAOF: it comes from Intel
[01:30] <cjwatson> gets rid of the binary daemon thin
[01:30] <cjwatson> g
[01:30] <calc> RAOF: the one based on the new 80211 layer (iirc)
[01:30] <RAOF> Oooh.  Cool.
[01:31] <cjwatson> RAOF: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi
[01:31] <RAOF> Man, I'm glad I got an intel wireless chip.
[01:31] <calc> grr trying to apply the patch i managed to do something wrong and it died compiling after 39m, heh
[01:32] <calc> oh well, time for dinner, bbl
[01:56] <wasabi> Is there a procedure for marking a bug in some fashion so that some more "important" people will look at it and perhaps offer suggestions on the fix?
[01:56] <wasabi> Hmm. More specifically I want commentary on the suggested fix. And I really just want to hit a button and forget about it. ;)
[05:57] <fabbione> morning
[06:00] <LaserJock> morning fabbione 
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:18] <Hobbsee> mmm....updates
[06:23] <fabbione> ./scsi/scsi-read-disc-info.h:147: error: stray \302 in program
[06:23] <fabbione> wth does that mean?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> symbol that's not supposed to be there, maybe?
[07:01] <pygi> fabbione, thanks
[07:01] <fabbione> pygi: i think that most of the errors you are getting is because you want to play smart with LITTLE/BIG ENDIAN
[07:02] <pygi> fabbione, i'm not playing smart. Not my software =)
[07:02] <fabbione> ppc and sparc are both endian... also remember that sparc must be 64 bit aligned
[07:02] <fabbione> make that big endian
[07:03] <pygi> got 
[07:03] <pygi> got it*
[07:07] <pygi> fabbione, will need to see what can I do about that (if anything)
[07:35] <pitti> Good morning
[07:36] <pygi> morning pitti, how are you? :)
[07:37] <pitti> pygi: *yawn* good morning
[07:37] <pygi> pitti, hehe :)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> morning pitti!
[07:42] <pitti> hi Hobbsee 
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hrm.  why are my openoffice fonts stuffed?
[07:48] <Hobbsee> they show as boxes..
[07:50] <StevenK> All of them?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> ste
[07:52] <Hobbsee> StevenK: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png
[07:53] <StevenK> Neat!
[07:53] <Hobbsee> yes!
[07:54] <StevenK> Beat doko about his person with that photo when he surfaces?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> morning simira 
[07:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:54] <StevenK> s/photo/screenshot/
[08:34] <Hobbsee> doko: do you know why i'd be getting http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png on any openoffice variant, under kde, in gutsy?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> it's using OpenSymbol fonts, both in kde and gtk apps
[08:35] <Treenaks> looks nice ;)
[08:35] <doko> Hobbsee: looks like a font problem; KDE? did you install additional fonts?
[08:35] <doko> is this the symbol font?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> doko: not that i remember doing.  when changing it back to sans in the gtk section of kcontrol, it still comes up with that - seemingly for any font i use
[08:36] <Hobbsee> no - it's a normal font
[08:36] <Hobbsee> RAOF: your connection *sucks*.  you're really not inspiring me to go into uni
[08:36] <ccm> Is there a form for "needs packaging" requests? 
[08:37] <Hobbsee> !motu
[08:37] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[08:37] <Hobbsee> ccm: see ^
[08:37] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Nah, that's actually me upgrading network-manager
[08:37] <Hobbsee> i belive it's linked to there
[08:37] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ahhh...
[08:37] <ccm> Hobbsee: thank you
[08:38] <Hobbsee> uh oh, pitti's back.  everyone behave!
[08:39] <pitti> hey desrt 
[08:39] <pitti> Hobbsee: just rebooting :)
[08:40] <crimsun> argh, who pinged about sound?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> crimsun: Treenaks.
[08:40] <crimsun> I see.
[08:40] <Treenaks> crimsun: me! :)
[08:40] <desrt> Hobbsee; you fixate rather readily on an off-the-cuff remark that i'd have made about anybody given the context :p
[08:40] <Hobbsee> desrt: *grin*
[08:40] <crimsun> Treenaks: http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh
[08:40] <Treenaks> crimsun: bug #119266
[08:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119266 in Ubuntu "Intel HDA Sound device doesn't work in gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119266
[08:40] <Hobbsee> desrt: you never know, i might be an axe murderer anyway...
[08:40] <desrt> Hobbsee; well!  you certainly look like one!
[08:40] <desrt> ""
[08:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:41] <crimsun> well, let's see, LP seems to have gone on vacation.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> it's the impending public holiday
[08:41] <Hobbsee> sends all technology to hell.
[08:41] <doko> Hobbsee: hmm, try to uninstall ttf-opensymbol?
[08:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:42] <desrt> dholbach; hello.
[08:42] <dholbach> hiya desrt
[08:42] <StevenK> crimsun: Seems to be working for me.
[08:42] <Treenaks> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/549772
[08:42] <desrt> my eyes want to fall out
[08:42] <Hobbsee> doko: wants to remove all of ooo
[08:42] <Hobbsee> doko: (was that the plan?)
[08:43] <doko> no
[08:43] <doko> strange ...
[08:44] <desrt> GString is a really poorly named class in terms of google searchability....
[08:44] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:45] <dholbach> haha
[08:46] <Mithrandir> "I remember this diagram showing gstring and some other bits of G*, let's use the image search"...
[08:46] <Hobbsee> morning Mithrandir 
[08:47] <desrt> dirty dirty mithrandir 
[08:47] <Mithrandir> morning little Hobbsee
[08:47] <crimsun> Treenaks: easy, already fixed.  Missing SSID quirk entry.  Will push to upstream now.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> desrt: you have seen the third result for "jono bacon" havent you?
[08:47] <Treenaks> crimsun: yay! :)
[08:47] <crimsun> Treenaks: you need model=ref
[08:47] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I got another penguin!
[08:47] <crimsun> gotta love Dells.
[08:48] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: http://err.no/tmp/pingvin/
[08:48] <Treenaks> crimsun: hmmm. dell. :)
[08:48] <crimsun> or maybe hate Dells due to the utterly necessary quirks, but whatever.
[08:48] <desrt> Hobbsee; cute kid.  he looks about 12 :p
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: woo!!!  is this one going in the office, or at home?
[08:49] <Treenaks> crimsun: that worked
[08:49] <Treenaks> crimsun: (at least.. the mixer bits did, testing audio now)
[08:50] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: it already seems to be very happy standing behind the scanner
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe, fair enough
[08:50] <Hobbsee> desrt: maybe it's changed then :P
[08:50] <RAOF> Surely it should go on the TV?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> desrt: they were discussing it during the planet editorial spec
[08:50] <desrt> weird
[08:51] <desrt> searching "ryan lortie" on google image search gets you pictures of jeff waugh and seb128
[08:51] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:51] <Hobbsee> oh bugger it.  my blog now comes up
[08:52] <StevenK> Comes up where?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> 9 links in the first 2 pages on google search results for "sarah hobbs"
[08:52] <Hobbsee> it used to be 0, for yeras
[08:52] <Hobbsee> *years
[08:52] <pitti> fabbione: hm, http://git.ubuntu.com/ doesn't exist; what was the actual host name again?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> 13 in the first 3
[08:53] <desrt> oh the vanity.
[08:53] <StevenK> Heh
[08:53] <desrt> you google yourself frequently enough to track the changes with respect to time :p
[08:53] <Hobbsee> nothing in images searches
[08:53] <pitti> fabbione: ah, got it
[08:54] <Hobbsee> desrt: sure - i'm used ot keeping a very low profile, and keeping hobbsee and sarah hobbs completely separate, for obvious reasons.
[08:54] <desrt> Hobbsee; you know that logs from this irc channel are published to the web, right? :p
[08:54] <Hobbsee> desrt: true that.  but i only started using my real name online ~6 months ago...
[08:54] <Hobbsee> ditto pictures and such
[08:54] <desrt> ah
[08:55] <Hobbsee> mainly because at that point i knew i had a large probability of being sponsored to UDS, and knew that people would find out who she was that way.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> s/she/i/
[08:55] <desrt> a few projects had AUTHORS files with a big lists of fullnames and "desrt" randomly in the middle :p
[08:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:55] <Hobbsee> for introducing, anyway.  answered to both.
[08:57] <Treenaks> desrt: libperl is your friend ;)
[08:57] <Treenaks> RAOF: there's even a parser-generator ;)
[08:57] <StevenK> There's a few.
[08:57] <RAOF> :)
[08:57] <StevenK> Yapp and Rec-Descent
[08:57] <desrt> Treenaks; :p
[08:57] <crimsun> Treenaks: not to push, but it's nearly 3 A.M. here, and I'm waiting to send this hg changeset.
[08:58] <Treenaks> crimsun: it works
[08:58] <crimsun> thanks.
[08:58] <fabbione> pitti: ehehe ok :)
[09:00] <linnuxxy> how can i find the package which is display the first page of the LiveCD... the page of choosing from Start or Install Ubuntu.. Start Ubuntu in Safe mode ...etc?
[09:00] <StevenK> gfxboot
[09:02] <desrt_> looks like somebody at freenode tripped over a cable....
[09:03] <Hobbsee> or you did ;P
[09:03] <Treenaks> he did :)
[09:03] <desrt> if you think my IRC is limited to one network, yr crazy.  all the other ones were fine :p
[09:08] <pygi> hey dholbach_ 
[09:09] <dholbach_> re
[09:09] <desrt> looks like lots of people tripped over cables :p
[09:12] <Hobbsee> it's just the internet breaking again
[09:13] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: must be your internets then :)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: i didnt drop
[09:14] <Treenaks> yet
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: but i'm tempted to stick an extra client in for this weekend, which is based in the US
[09:14] <Hobbsee> as we're getting major storms and such
[09:15] <Treenaks> Seveas: You broke her!
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Seveas: what's your appeal in attempting to break me?
[09:16] <Seveas> I attempted to break the internets, not you
[09:16] <Treenaks> Seveas: try throwing something a bit heavier then
[09:17] <Seveas> sure Arthur :p
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Seveas: you've attempted to break me before, though.
[09:18] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: He wants that confession!
[09:18] <Seveas> That was an attempt to throw you in the pool
[09:18] <Seveas> Treenaks, not needed, I know more than enough blackmail material already :)
[09:20] <Treenaks> Seveas: ah, the true BOFH
[09:20] <Seveas> Treenaks, indeed
[09:20] <Hobbsee> Seveas: a stupid one, yes.
[09:21] <Seveas> Treenaks, I broke my record of causing problems yesterday. Previous one was half the building not being able to log in. Yesterday it was the entire building :)
[09:22] <Treenaks> Seveas: So you can say goodbye to your new contract? :P
[09:22] <Seveas> neh
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hah.  bad Seveas 
[09:23] <Seveas> Hobbsee, bad Seveas breaks things for 2 buildings and about 10 branch offices. Didn't gt that far yet
[09:23] <Treenaks> Seveas: that's next week
[09:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:24] <Seveas> Treenaks, could be
[09:45] <Hobbsee> poor desrt 
[09:46] <desrt> :(
[09:46] <desrt> poor me
[09:57] <asac> hmmm there is a cvs import of gnash trunk in LP ... is it possible at all to update that without --overriding everything?
[10:08] <cjwatson> asac: it should auto-update if it's in ~vcs-imports - is it not doing so?
[10:09] <asac> cjwatson: last revision: "#
[10:09] <asac> By strk on 2006-10-14 
[10:09] <asac>  ... so no.
[10:11] <asac> cjwatson: actually now gnash has finally branched development in cvs for 0.8 ... which I would need ... is there a form in lp to request synch for that?
[10:13] <pygi> asac, file a bug
[10:14] <cjwatson> whoa
[10:14] <asac> to get a synch for branch 0.8? or for the "does not update branch" bug ?
[10:15] <asac> pygi: ?
[10:15] <cjwatson> asac: if you're the product registrant, you can edit it directly
[10:15] <cjwatson> asac: otherwise, talk to ddaa
[10:15] <pygi> asac, for sync
[10:15] <cjwatson> usually a bug is not the correct answer IME
[10:15] <cjwatson> they sometimes use the support tracker for that
[10:16] <asac> pygi: yeah ... but first i would really like to be sure that cvs branches really auto-update; otherwise its not worth the effort imo
[10:16] <cjwatson> they are supposed to automatically update, yes
[10:16] <cjwatson> but perhaps e.g. the CVS details changed
[10:16] <cjwatson> ah, hmm
[10:16] <cjwatson> see https://launchpad.net/gnash/trunk
[10:16] <cjwatson> "The Bazaar import has been suspended and is no longer updated. The source details for this series are locked and can only be modified by vcs-imports members and Launchpad administrators."
[10:16] <cjwatson> talk to ddaa and find out what's going on
[10:17] <asac> cjwatson: ok
[11:03] <dholbach> mdz: mind to have a look at  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/WikiCleanUp ?
[11:04] <mdz> dholbach: ok
[11:05] <mdz> dholbach: I would add explicitly that smaller documents should be merged into UbuntuDevelopment, while large documents should be linked
[11:06] <mdz> if it's longer than, say, a few paragraphs, it should be considered for linking instead
[11:06] <mdz> with a summary in UbuntuDevelopment
[11:06] <dholbach> mdz: good idea - I'd like to use UbuntuDevelopment as a namespace to make easier them findable
[11:07] <mdz> dholbach: if you find that the section layout in UbuntuDevelopment doesn't meet all your needs, we can expand/revise it
[11:15] <dholbach> mdz: thanks for checking it out
[11:16] <dholbach> persia: what do you think about http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/WikiCleanUp?
[11:18] <persia> dholbach: If I were objective, I'd really like it, but currently it fills me with awe at your organisation and a renewed sense of time pressure to complete my review of all the documents in the wiki as sources to feed the UbuntuDevelopment documentation.
[11:19] <dholbach> persia: I absolutely don't want to put any pressure on you.
[11:19] <dholbach> persia: mdz suggested to write it up, so we can get more followers in tackling this problem
[11:20] <carlos> pitti: hi
[11:20] <persia> dholbach: Don't worry.  If I find more useful documents to apply after work is started, my delay just means more work for me later.  I'm driven by my laziness, not your effort.  Having a spec is a good thing, I completely agree with the goals, and like the idea of merging with UbuntuDevelopment.
[11:21] <dholbach> excellent
[11:21] <dholbach> persia: do you have a working list or some place where you made notes about your wiki review?
[11:22] <pitti> hi carlos 
[11:22] <dholbach> I mean... better working list than CategoryMOTU - if not, I'd copy it and we could have a MOTU/WikiCleanUp/WorkList or something
[11:23] <persia> dholbach: At this point, it's still in my GNOME stickies and a firefox session, and I still have a couple thoulsand non-redirect pages to review.  I'll try to get something written up with lists of docs and ideas of what can merge and what can drop this weekend.
[11:23] <carlos> pitti: When should I switch to export language pack updates instead of full exports for Gutsy?
[11:23] <dholbach> persia: you rock - thanks SO much
[11:23] <persia> dholbach: I think CategoryMOTU is a good working list.  My wider search is more about linking to other namespaces (e.g. Bugs/) so that we don't duplicate things between teams.
[11:23] <pitti> carlos: oh, good point. Why not do it right now
[11:24] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could announce our plans soon and get started on improving the wiki step by step
[11:24] <dholbach> persia: right, that's perfect
[11:24] <dholbach> persia: I'll start off MOTU/WikiCleanUp/WorkList then
[11:24] <carlos> pitti: based on which language pack date? (I need to know the timestamp.txt content)
[11:25] <persia> dholbach: There's still the identity question also.  Using the MOTU namespace maintains a separate (and perhaps interesting) MOTU identity, which isn't as strongly reflected with a more coherent and accessible documentation model under UbuntuDevelopment.  I'm not sure that's important from a documentation perspective, but I don't know if it may have morale effects.
[11:25] <pitti> carlos: 20070603
[11:25] <persia> dholbach: Great.  I'll catch up with you when I've finished looking at the list.
[11:25] <dholbach> persia: we will keep the MOTU namespace, but more for team organisation
[11:25] <carlos> pitti: ok
[11:26] <persia> dholbach: Sounds good to me, but you might want to check with other interested parties as well.
[11:26] <dholbach> persia: people will be able to find out what MOTU is, when the next meeting is, etc - but will be pointed to other process and other documentation elsewhere
[11:26] <dholbach> absolutely, I want to announce the plan before
[11:35] <sladen> cjwatson: is there a preferred spec for encrypted filesystems.  There seem to be able four in the specs system
[11:36] <sladen> cjwatson: eg.  transparent-home-encryption, encrypted-filesystems, dm-crypt
[11:37] <sladen> cjwatson: I'm now working for an employer were it's a requirement so I should get some time (and alsa at Debconf) to work on it, if there's a chosen direction that came out of hte Sevilla disccusions
[11:38] <cjwatson> sladen: I think dm-crypt is the main one at the moment
[11:46] <shawarma> Mithrandir: At some point, the "yay, you've succesfully installed apache2, etc."-page was removed in apache in favour of a file that just says "it works". Do you happen to know why?
[11:51] <ajmitch> shawarma: it's a debian change, afaik
[11:51] <ajmitch> though that hardly gives a reason
[11:51] <shawarma> ajmitch: I know, but Mithrandir seems to be one of the Debian maintainers.
[11:52] <fabbione> shawarma: probably somebody pointed out that it was not professional to say "yay"
[11:52] <shawarma> fabbione: Now, someone is pointing out that it's not professional to say "it works". I shit you not. :)
[11:53] <iwj> I imagine it'll be because that page was often seen by random people looking for some website, who would then end up bothering the software maintainers.
[11:53] <shawarma> iwj: That's a good point.
[11:53] <iwj> That certainly used to happen quite a lot.
[11:53] <shawarma> bug 89364
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89364 in apache2 "Apache2 default site contains only the words "It works!"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89364
[11:53] <fabbione> medium? :)
[11:54] <shawarma> iwj: Sounds like a perfectly good reason to reject that bug.
[11:54] <shawarma> fabbione: /me shrugs
[11:56] <shawarma> iwj: Thanks!
[11:56] <thom> shawarma: yeah, there's absolutely no content that someone doesn't like
[11:57] <shawarma> thom: Yeah. I actually rejected another bug becuase it was resolved by only having "it works" there. :)
[12:20] <geser> pitti: Hi, what's the status on the xvidcore SRU for feisty? There should now be packages uploaded to feisty-updates. (bug #84705)
[12:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84705 in xvidcore "[Feisty]  libxvidcore missing dependency for yasm for i386 arch : more than 3 times slower than in edgy" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84705
[12:20] <Mithrandir> shawarma: we got tired of mails from users saying "You have hax0red my web server" or even better "You hax0red www.example.com, you evil bastards"
[12:21] <pitti> geser: right, I'll go through SRUs today
[12:22] <geser> thanks
[12:22] <geser> the ubuntu-motu ML gets a weekly reminder about it already
[12:32] <shawarma> Mithrandir: *g*
[12:49] <Lutin> pitti: around ?
[12:49] <pitti> hi Lutin 
[12:49] <Lutin> hi
[12:50] <Lutin> pitti: when you rejected my upload for cinepaint to proposed, you said I'd better upload the package which is in proposed first, I'd just like to know why :)
[12:51] <pitti> Lutin: IIRC I didn't reject it for that reason, right?
[12:51] <pitti> Lutin: otherwise we'd just stack new stuff in -proposed without ever releasing it, and testing of multiple changes is more difficult
[12:51] <Lutin> pitti: that wasn't the only reason, yeah
[12:52] <Lutin> pitti: without the 2nd fix, cinepaint will install but not even launch
[12:52] <pitti> Lutin: oh, I see
[12:52] <Lutin> would be kind of frustrating to upload it
[12:53] <pitti> Lutin: well, then another -proposed one makes indeed sense; I wasn't aware of that, sorry
[12:53] <Lutin> pitti: ok, fine, I'll do that? thanks
[12:53] <Lutin> s/?/.
[12:54] <fabbione> doko: did you notice #119110 ?
[12:56] <doko> fabbione: didn't see that, although I don't have Core2 Duo hardware
[12:56] <fabbione> doko: neither do i but i think Ben does
[01:00] <fabbione> iwj: do you have any idea why hell of a lot of people end up with clvm installed?
[01:00] <fabbione> at this point i think we should change the init script to be more stupid and a pain for sysadmins
[01:06] <iwj> fabbione: No, I don't know why they have it installed.  But packages should in general be installable IMO :-).
[01:06] <iwj> And being able to deinstall it again when it turns out to have been a mistake is I think essential.
[01:06] <iwj> So yes please change it.
[01:07] <fabbione> i see why it fails to install...
[01:07] <fabbione> the changes we did in the SRU have been reverted
[01:07] <fabbione> ok.. let me try to find something that can possible work without trashing user data
[01:07] <fabbione> that package when configured become Essential: more than the other
[01:08] <fabbione> iwj: ok let me fix it...
[01:09] <iwj> fabbione: Thanks.
[01:10] <fabbione> no problem
[01:10] <fabbione> i just wonder when we lost the fix we did..
[01:10] <fabbione> but well .. no big deal i guess
[01:14] <shawarma> Who's got archive duty today?
[01:15] <pitti> o/
[01:16] <shawarma> pitti: I'm an idiot. Please nuke/reject/remove/whatever ebox-{openvpn,ca,network}.
[01:17] <pitti> shawarma: uploaded to?
[01:17] <shawarma> pitti: gutsy.. :(
[01:17] <shawarma> pitti: Rather than my ppa. I can't spell, apparantly.
[01:18] <pitti> shawarma: oh, those are NEW packages in gutsy; that's easy
[01:18] <shawarma> pitti: Ah, yes, I suppose I should have pointed that out.
[01:18] <pitti> otherwise I could only reject them out of accepted, which would generate some confusing noise :)
[01:18] <pitti> shawarma: killed
[01:18] <shawarma> \o/ 
[01:19] <shawarma> pitti: Thanks!
[01:19] <pitti> np
[01:21] <fabbione> pitti: did you ever get around to accept multipath-tools ?
[01:21] <pitti> fabbione: I'll do this today when I start SRU (after lunch, ETA an hour)
[01:21] <pitti> fabbione: too busy with release stuff until yesterday, sorry
[01:22] <fabbione> pitti: ok cool.. no rush please..
[01:22] <pitti> I already asked for another archive admin to take my Friday shift
[01:22] <fabbione> pitti: nothing to be sorry about. you have been busy for good reasons :)
[01:42] <fabbione> Keybuk: i am preparing an lvm2 upload to fix some clvm stuff.. any idea why the init script for clvm was dropped from the merge? or just a simple mistake?
[01:44] <Keybuk> I didn't think it was dropped?
[01:45] <fabbione> can't be..
[01:45] <Keybuk> there was no dh_installinit for it in the feisty package
[01:45] <Keybuk> oh, hmm, maybe there was
[01:45] <fabbione> dpkg -c /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lvm2/clvm_2.02.24-6ubuntu1_i386.deb |grep etc | wc -l
[01:45] <fabbione> 0
[01:45] <Keybuk> that's probably what got dropped by accident
[01:45] <fabbione> there was :)
[01:45] <fabbione> yeah that's ok.. just making 100% sure
[01:45] <Keybuk> yeah
[01:45] <Keybuk> should be
[01:46] <fabbione> i am readding it..
[01:46] <Keybuk> dh_installinit -p clvm --no-restart-on-upgrade -- start 65 S . start 3 0 6 .
[01:49] <fabbione> yeps.. i have it from feisty sources
[01:49] <fabbione> thanks
[01:51] <fabbione> hmmm we should also pull in the new upstream version for lvm2
[01:51] <fabbione> it has an important fix when working with qdisk
[01:51] <Keybuk> is that in Debian yet?
[01:54] <dfeser> hi all!
[01:54] <dfeser> some kernel-geeks here?
[01:54] <fabbione> Keybuk: nope
[01:54] <Keybuk> dfeser: #ubuntu-kernel
[01:55] <pygi> hey sivang 
[01:55] <sivang> hi pygi 
[01:55] <Keybuk> fabbione: would make the next merge trickier
[01:55] <pygi> sivang, how is it going?
[01:55] <Keybuk> but then we're not carrying any major patchage to the source
[01:55] <sivang> pygi: I'm not sure 
[01:56] <sivang> pygi: managed to crash my feisty with some possibly ill written python threading code :)
[01:56] <fabbione> Keybuk: it can wait up till UVF. The qdisk is nothing used in common configs or setups.. if debian doesn't make it by a week from UVF, we can just pull in new upstream
[01:57] <fabbione> tho i would be happier to have it early to test the qdisk feature in full
[01:57] <sivang> pygi: s/crash/halt/
[01:58] <sivang> pygi: it was so bad that I couldn't do nothing to stop it but pull the plug / press the power button
[02:00] <dfeser> can someone tell me what changed in the usb system from edgy to feisty? i have a script that boosts the usb power up to 500mA for my blackberry. with edgy this worked fine. but as I upgraded to feisty it stopped working
[02:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105709
[02:11] <ogra> oops, right
[02:12] <pitti> mvo: bug 118815 approved; btw, feel freel to do similar uploads right away without prior approval in the bug; I can still reject it from the queue in the unlikely case of problems
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118815 in app-install-data-commercial "SRU to add opera and arkeia " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118815
[02:16] <pitti> mvo: poke about gutsy fix for bug 109564
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109564 in unattended-upgrades "README missing" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109564
[02:19] <mvo> pitti: thanks, will look at them
[02:21] <pitti> mvo: oh, seems you already uploaded a-i-d-commercial
[02:23] <siretart> mvo: btw, any news about getting acroread in the commercial archive?
[02:23] <cypherbios> mvo: will you merge the synaptic-set-reinstall.patch into the upstream?
[02:25] <pitti> BenC_: good news! I did some debugging on the apport kernel issue and I think I pinpointed the bug in the fs/exec.c code; I created bug 119267 about that
[02:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119267 in linux-source-2.6.22 "apport patches for CORE_REAL_RLIM and limit overriding do not work any more" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119267
[02:27] <BenC_> pitti: sweet, looks like a typo when I merged that patch (couple conflicts)
[02:27] <pitti> BenC: the symptoms are perfectly consistent with that typo
[02:27] <BenC> pitti: I'll get that fixed in next upload
[02:28] <pitti> BenC: yay, thanks
[02:28] <pitti> ShinyPointyStick...
[02:29] <pitti> There is just *one* Sarah. *ONE* *nng*
[02:29] <fabbione> ehhe
[02:29] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:29] <Hobbsee> pitti: no, three.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> about?
[02:30] <mvo> siretart: not yet, I talked to mdy about it and I will ping him again
[02:30] <mvo> cypherbios: merged already
[02:30] <mvo> :)
[02:30] <Mithrandir> pitti: she just felt that having two of me was a bit on the high side, so she had to compensate.
[02:30] <mvo> cypherbios: I plan a upload today
[02:31] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Happy birthday!
[02:31] <pitti> Mithrandir: perfectly understandable
[02:31] <Mithrandir> StevenK: the same to you!
[02:31] <pitti> Mithrandir: happy birthday!!
[02:31] <Mithrandir> pitti: thank you :-)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: heh
[02:35] <bhale> Mithrandir: hugs
[02:36] <Mithrandir> bhale: thanks
[02:37] <pitti> *eek*, why that?
[02:37] <dholbach> Mithrandir, StevenK: 
[02:37] <dholbach>  _                               _     _      _   _         _             
[02:37] <dholbach> | |__   __ _ _ __  _ __  _   _  | |__ (_)_ __| |_| |__   __| | __ _ _   _ 
[02:37] <dholbach> | '_ \ / _` | '_ \| '_ \| | | | | '_ \| | '__| __| '_ \ / _` |/ _` | | | |
[02:37] <dholbach> | | | | (_| | |_) | |_) | |_| | | |_) | | |  | |_| | | | (_| | (_| | |_| |
[02:37] <dholbach> |_| |_|\__,_| .__/| .__/ \__, | |_.__/|_|_|   \__|_| |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, |
[02:37] <dholbach>             |_|   |_|    |___/                                      |___/ 
[02:37] <ShinyPointyStick> double trouble!
[02:37] <pitti> Shields up!
[02:37] <dholbach> :-)
[02:37] <StevenK> dholbach: Thanks!
[02:38] <Hobbsee> or does tha tonly apply during UDS?
[02:38] <mvo> woooooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, hapy birthday!
[02:38] <cypherbios> mvo: Thank you.
[02:39] <Mithrandir> dholbach: thanks. :-)
[02:39] <bhale> Hobbsee: cowsay -f ghostbusters
[02:39] <Hobbsee>                                                      _ 
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[02:39] <Hobbsee> | (_| (_) \ V  V /\__ \ (_| | |_| | | (_| | | | | (_| |
[02:39] <Hobbsee>  \___\___/ \_/\_/ |___/\__,_|\__, |  \__,_|_| |_|\__,_|
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[02:40] <Hobbsee>  / _(_) __ _| | ___| |_    ___| |__   __ _(_)_ __   ___  __| |
[02:40] <Hobbsee> | |_| |/ _` | |/ _ \ __|  / __| '_ \ / _` | | '_ \ / _ \/ _` |
[02:40] <Hobbsee> |  _| | (_| | |  __/ |_  | (__| | | | (_| | | | | |  __/ (_| |
[02:40] <Hobbsee> |_| |_|\__, |_|\___|\__|  \___|_| |_|\__,_|_|_| |_|\___|\__,_|
[02:40] <Hobbsee>        |___/                                                  
[02:40] <Hobbsee>  _                   _   _                 _                            
[02:40] <Hobbsee> | |_ ___   __ _  ___| |_| |__   ___ _ __  (_)___    _____   _____ _ __  
[02:40] <Hobbsee> | __/ _ \ / _` |/ _ \ __| '_ \ / _ \ '__| | / __|  / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \ 
[02:40] <Hobbsee> | || (_) | (_| |  __/ |_| | | |  __/ |    | \__ \ |  __/\ V /  __/ | | |
[02:40] <Hobbsee>  \__\___/ \__, |\___|\__|_| |_|\___|_|    |_|___/  \___| \_/ \___|_| |_|
[02:40] <Amaranth> oh god
[02:40] <Hobbsee>           |___/                                                         
[02:40] <mjg59> Hobbsee: ...
[02:40] <Hobbsee>                                             _ _ 
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[02:40] <Hobbsee> | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '__/ _ \  / __/ _ \ / _ \| | |
[02:40] <Hobbsee> | | | | | | (_) | | |  __/ | (_| (_) | (_) | |_|
[02:40] <Hobbsee> |_| |_| |_|\___/|_|  \___|  \___\___/ \___/|_(_)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> 
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh shit, wrong way around.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> apologies.
[02:41] <pitti>  /kick_ban_lart Hobbsee 
[02:41] <bhale> holy flood protection
[02:41] <persia> Hobbsee: Is your connection especially slow, or are you typing by hand?
[02:41] <mjg59> persia: Rate limiting
[02:41] <Amaranth> client throttles so you don't flood out
[02:41] <fabbione> my eyes
[02:41] <LongPointyStick> oh dear...sorry guys.
[02:41] <LongPointyStick> wow, that client is lagging.
[02:42] <Amaranth> i bet
[02:42] <Hobbsee> again, apologies
[02:43] <pygi> that's good
[02:43] <pitti> Mithrandir: claws-mail is currently blacklisted, but only temporarily; can this be removed?
[02:44] <Mithrandir> pitti: sure, if it doesn't make sync-source fail.
[02:44] <pitti> Swap file "/srv/launchpad.net/dak/.sync-blacklist.txt.swp" already exists!
[02:44] <pitti> hmm
[02:44] <Mithrandir> pitti: if you feel like it, removing all the bits and doing a full automatic sync would probably be good
[02:44] <Mithrandir> pitti: free now
[02:44] <Hobbsee> pitti: that au connection may well drop, as we're supposed to have even more storms here over the weekend - so the power will likely go out from my prefered au connections.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> pitti: hence, that's a backup for the backup and the primary.
[02:46] <pitti> Mithrandir: seems to work; unblacklisted
[02:48] <StevenK> afflux: Would you mind unsubscribing -archive from bug 119317?
[02:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119317 in empathy "Please sync empathy (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119317
[02:49] <afflux> StevenK: didn't you just say in -motu that I can't?
[02:49] <StevenK> Bah
[02:49] <StevenK> pitti: ^
[02:49] <StevenK> I'm not doing well tonight, it appears.
[02:50] <pitti> StevenK: what's wrong with that bug?
[02:50] <Mithrandir> best command ever.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> you can just reject it, too
[02:50] <pitti> (I am doing syncs ATM anyway, I'll get to it soon)
[02:50] <StevenK> pitti: It isn't ack'd by an motu
[02:50] <pitti> Mithrandir++
[02:50] <pitti> StevenK: hm, so it should be needsinfo or so?
[02:51] <StevenK> I'll set it to needs info so you can ignore it for the time being.
[02:52] <StevenK> Heh
[02:52] <Hobbsee> or someone can just ack the sync request
[02:53] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Thanks for volunteering.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> i'm not volunteering, i'm trying to avoid being killed by the irc police.
[02:54] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: view it as community service.
[02:54] <StevenK> Heh heh.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah.
[02:54] <StevenK> Here, wear this bright orange tracksuit while you do it.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmm...orange...
[02:55] <pygi> pitti, question:
[02:55] <pygi> bug #107499
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107499 in brasero "Brasero will not burn " [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107499
[02:55] <pygi> how could you add that brasero to feisty-proposed since we don't have libburn & libisofs there?
[02:55] <StevenK> pitti: Yay you for the epydoc pointer, I'll prepare that merge and upload.
[02:55] <pitti> pygi: it was uploaded to feisty-proposed by a MOTU
[02:56] <pygi> pitti, mhm ... I do hope 0.5.2-0ubuntu2 was uploaded there
[02:56] <pitti> StevenK: I'm not aware of doing anything about it, but you're welcome :)
[02:56] <pygi> pitti, otherwise if it's 0.5.90 it'll fail to build
[02:56] <pitti> pygi: 0.5.2-0ubuntu1.1
[02:56] <pygi> (I have 0.5.90 in gutsy universe uploaded)
[02:56] <StevenK> Oh damn, it was doko, not pitti.
[02:56] <pygi> pitti, meh, ok then. That should work. thanks
[02:57] <StevenK> Damnit brain, work!
[02:57] <Hobbsee> dont attack the wall!
[03:01] <pitti> StevenK: so I don't sync epydoc yet, right?
[03:01] <StevenK> pitti: Right.
[03:02] <StevenK> pitti: Ahh, ta.
[03:03] <afflux> StevenK: since you seem to be working on devscripts at the moment: can you have a look at bug 119313
[03:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119313 in devscripts "requestsync can't handle third parameter (basever) but advertises it in usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119313
[03:04] <pitti> StevenK: hey, that worked with my version still :)
[03:04] <StevenK> I managed to break it anyway. :-(
[03:05] <pitti> I admit I haven't used it any more for a long time
[03:05] <StevenK> ubuntu7 is on it's way up
[03:16] <simira> Hobbsee: hey, what are you up to?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> simira: i'm dying at the thought of work this weekend.
[03:16] <simira> (and where did my glass of water go)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> the water-drinking-gremlins came after it.
[03:17] <simira> why, don't you have winter down under now?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> simira: so if you could find a good reason for me to be able to call in sick for the entire weekend, please tell :)
[03:17] <Mithrandir> simira: for once, I did not put it into the dishwasher.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ahha
[03:17] <Hobbsee> *haha
[03:17] <simira> Hobbsee: you need to go to this important conference in Europe?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> simira: without having N/A'd for it?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> simira: iv'e got this feeling that the boss would get rather abusive if i didnt have a very good reason.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> like, being dead.  and that's a little over the top.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> evening mdz 
[03:21] <rpereira> Does someone knows if is there a developer packaging nprobe?
[03:25] <mdz> Hobbsee: hi
[03:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> rpereira: have you checked on any bugs, either in ubuntu or debian, saying as much?
[03:34] <fabbione> anybody here has a laptop with kubuntu / tribe 1 running?
[03:34] <Lure> fabbione: yep
[03:34] <sn0> not a laptop fabbione 
[03:34] <fabbione> Lure: do you have "suspend/hybernate" options in your logout menu?
[03:34] <Lure> fabbione: not on live-cd
[03:35] <fabbione> Lure: i only need to know for an installed system
[03:35] <Lure> fabbione: I have on installed system
[03:35] <Lure> fabbione: this is detected by HAL
[03:35] <Hobbsee> i do
[03:35] <fabbione> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/119326
[03:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119326 in Ubuntu "No hibernate nor sleep button in the quit menu of Gutsy Tribe-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[03:36] <pitti> fabbione: gnome-session miscommunicates with hal ATM
[03:36] <fabbione> pitti: ah ok.. known issue?
[03:36] <pitti> fabbione: dup of bug 118537
[03:36] <fabbione> i mean.. is there a bug open already?
[03:36] <fabbione> ok coolness
[03:36] <fabbione> thanks
[03:36] <pitti> fabbione: I even mentioned it in the release notes
[03:37] <fabbione> ok...
[03:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118537 in gnome-session "logout dialog does not offer suspend/hibernate" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118537
[03:44] <mvo> hey racarr! I was wonering what is the best graphic card to play with compiz and compcomm. I currently use a r200 and that one like to freeze every now and then
[03:49] <fabbione> there... 4 bugs less in clmv
[03:49] <fabbione> clvm even
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:49] <fabbione> :)
[04:02] <pitti> gpocentek: ping
[04:03] <gpocentek> pitti: hello
[04:03] <pitti> gpocentek: shouldn't libgoffice-gtk-0-4 have a Provides: libgoffice-0-4 ?
[04:03] <pitti> gpocentek: they ship the very same .so file after all
[04:04] <dholbach> gpocentek: also pitti suggested to drop the -dbg packages
[04:04] <pitti> gpocentek: (or put a copyright and changelog into -dbg)
[04:04] <pitti> but we don't need -dbg
[04:05] <gpocentek> sounds good
[04:16] <slomo> mjg59: ping... you're aware that your gst-plugins-base alsa patch breaks ABI and API?
[04:19] <Keybuk> keescook: basically we don't know what to run from a udev rule to activate mdadm partitions
[04:20] <keescook> as in, we don't know when an mdadm-controlled partition is "finished"?
[04:20] <Keybuk> no, that we have solved
[04:20] <Keybuk> we just don't know how to invoke mdadm to make it assemble block devices as they come in
[04:20] <keescook> this doesn't seem to be the problem, though; at boot my dm devices are fine.
[04:21] <keescook> sorry, md
[04:21] <slomo> mjg59: unping, nevermind... i just noticed that seb reverted it a week ago :)
[04:21] <Keybuk> keescook: well, the problem is that it goes through a very messy shell script
[04:21] <Keybuk> sometimes
[04:21] <Keybuk> in fact
[04:21] <Keybuk> there's three messy shell scripts
[04:21] <Keybuk> which aren't touched outside the initramfs
[04:21] <Keybuk> etc.
[04:21] <Keybuk> so until we understand that, we haven't applied the fix for the lvm issue
[04:22] <Keybuk> would rather not build a house on a shaky foundation
[04:22] <Keybuk> type thing
[04:22] <keescook> makes sense.  :)
[04:23] <Keybuk> will be looking into it next week
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !logs | StevenK 
[04:32] <ubotu> StevenK: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:36] <carlos> pitti: hmm, language pack updates for Gutsy are pretty big already ...
[04:36] <carlos> pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~carlos/language-packs/gutsy-updates/
[04:36] <pitti> carlos: erk
[04:37] <carlos> pitti: we just finishing all KDE translations for Gutsy
[04:37] <carlos> and that's a lot of .po files
[04:38] <carlos> s/finishing/finish importing/
[04:45] <TeTeT> should the isotesting tests also contain 'works' entries, or only reports when it fails?
[04:45] <pitti> TeTeT: also 'works' ones
[04:45] <pitti> TeTeT: they are important for test coverage at pre-release times
[04:45] <pitti> TeTeT: now the 'works' ones don't make much sense any more for tribe-1, of course
[04:46] <TeTeT> pitti: ok, so the next useful time would be a day or two before the release of tribe-2?
[04:46] <pitti> TeTeT: right
[04:47] <pitti> TeTeT: if you test tribe-1, please do make sure that bugs are filed, though, and point them out to me if they are serious
[05:27] <Mirv> mvo: hi... any plans when the 0.3.31 is going to migrate from feisty-proposed to feisty? it's been there for over a month now. after that I'd guess it'd be possible to translate the missing bits in Rosetta for the next translation update.
[05:27] <Mirv> gnome-app-install, that is
[05:28] <mvo> Mirv: do you have the bugnumber for it at hand? I will check immediately then
[05:28] <Mirv> mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/106756
[05:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106756 in gnome-app-install ""Search for suitable codec" dialog not translated/translatable" [Undecided,Fix committed]  
[05:29] <pitti> mvo: poke me about copy-package please, my regular session is already over
[05:29] <Mirv> or is it pitti's stuff, as he accepted it to feisty-proposed
[05:30] <pitti> Mirv: no, I don't verify, since I already approve patches and so on; multiple-eyes principle
[05:30] <Mirv> pitti: ok
[05:30] <mvo> its still in verification-needed stage :/ I can't do a verification myself, I will prod bdmurray about it and write up some proper instructions how it can be verified 
[05:30] <mvo> Mirv: thanks for pointing it out again and sorry that it takes so long sometime
[05:30] <mvo> s
[05:32] <Mirv> mvo: no prob
[06:31] <pitti> mvo_: AYT?
[06:32] <mvo_> pitti: hello
[06:32] <mvo_> sorry, network is a bit bad today, my provider has upgraded me without asking 
[07:10] <pitti> man, 'bzr shelve' is the best thing since slice bread
[07:17] <pitti> Hobbsee: it moves hunks from bzr diff to a 'shelf' where you can retrieve it later; shelving and unshelving works per-hunk, per-file, or globally
[07:17] <pitti> so you can selectively commit larger changes, or do 'bzr shelve --all', quick fix, bzr commit, unshelve
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[07:19] <ion_> So, a bit like what darcs does. Thats very nice.
[07:26] <Kmos> repo for gutsy isn't frozen anymore ?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> nope
[07:30] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, bzr shelve is fantastic
[07:31] <cjwatson> ion_: I believe darcs is a bit different in that you choose to commit only particular hunks
[07:31] <cjwatson> I think bzr is a bit nicer here since it's easier to test what you're committing if "shelve some hunks" and "commit the rest" are separate operations that you can slot something between
[07:35] <Kmos> anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5396 (gqview latest stable version)
[07:35] <Kmos> i think the package is ok for uplaod
[07:35] <Kmos> *upload
[07:36] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gqview
[07:37] <keescook> archive admins, can you check on a binary-NEW of "libmyth-dev"?  I don't see it listed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue but it's not been published yet.
[07:38] <keescook> am I just looking in the wrong places?
[07:38] <pitti> keescook: I NEWed it some hours ago
[07:38] <keescook> pitti: ah! okay
[07:38] <keescook> so I just happened to look at the wrong time.  :P
[07:38] <pitti> libmyth-dev | 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1 | gutsy/multiverse | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[07:39] <keescook> apt-get updating...
[07:41] <keescook> yay! pitti: thanks, it has appeared.  sorry for the noise.  :)
[07:41] <pitti> np :)
[07:44] <Kmos> anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5396 (gqview latest stable version) ? pitti can't.. thanks
[07:45] <Seveas> pitti, keescook: as 'ubuntu secrity dudes' you may appreciate ubotus latest feature
[07:45] <Seveas> CVE-2007-1337
[07:45] <ubotu> The virtual machine process (VMX) in VMware Workstation before 5.5.4 does not properly read state information when moving from the ACPI sleep state to the run state, which allows attackers to cause a denial of service (virtual machine reboot) via unknown vectors. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-1337)
[07:45] <keescook> that's great!
[07:46] <pitti> Seveas: yay!
[07:46] <Kmos> that's my bug report :)
[07:46] <Seveas> indeed
[07:46] <Kmos> Seveas: fix released? 
[07:47] <Seveas> Kmos, not until I commit the code :)
[07:47] <Kmos> :)
[07:48] <Kmos> Seveas: can you look at bug of "@" in .cgi (web interface), i've done a modification in the file with urllib.unquote
[07:49] <Seveas> yeah, will do that later
[07:53] <Kmos> Seveas: thx
[08:21] <Kmos> !factoids
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[08:32] <Kmos> !factoid nv
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[08:35] <Kmos> !nv
[08:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:01] <linnuxxy> is it possible to test gfxboot using qemu?
[09:12] <linnuxxy> how can i create an iso test for gfxboot?
[09:21] <linnuxxy> I'm building an Arabic Edition of K/ubuntu... the starting page of the LiveCD is rendering the arabic text incorrectly... I think it is gfxboot problem... how can I debug gfxboot using qemu?
[09:43] <cjwatson> linnuxxy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/gfxboot-test.tar.gz is a very rough test harness for gfxboot with qemu; some assembly required
[09:44] <cjwatson> linnuxxy: I'd be extremely surprised if gfxboot knew how to do Arabic shaping, and suspect a significant amount of code would be needed to make it do so
[09:49] <keescook> cjwatson: can you look this over: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingUUID
[09:49] <keescook> I want to reference it in the kernel update USN
[09:49] <keescook> (it's based on discussions with Keybuk)
[09:49] <linnuxxy> cjwatson: in fact it isnt that far from render arabic text well
[09:50] <linnuxxy> the font is loaded ok... but words are rendered in separate letters (instead of script ones) and in reverse direction 
[09:57] <cjwatson> linnuxxy: yes, that's what I mean
[09:57] <cjwatson> I don't think gfxboot knows about either RTL or joining the letters together, the way Arabic should be
[09:57] <cjwatson> all it has is the font
[09:57] <cjwatson> I might be wrong on RTL, but I'm pretty sure about the shaping :-/
[09:57] <cjwatson> keescook: ok, will do later, dinner now
[09:58] <linnuxxy> the package u gave doesn't simulate same thing 
[09:58] <cjwatson> linnuxxy: it's not identical, but it's a functional gfxboot test case. You may have to put a number of bits and pieces together.
[09:58] <cjwatson> it's just what I use to test newer versions of the theme
[09:59] <linnuxxy> cjwatson: thnx
[10:51] <slomo_> hrm
[10:51] <slomo_> ghostscript is broken
[10:52] <saispo> and gnome-power-manager is really silly on latest gutsy under a Dell Laptop :)
[10:52] <saispo> it announce me 5 minutes... and shutdown...
[10:53] <Burgundavia> there is a nasty bug
[10:54] <saispo> yep :/
[10:54] <saispo> all work fine under feisty
[10:54] <saispo> it announce 100% fully charged and 5 minutes lifetimes :)
[10:57] <cjwatson> keescook: best recommend just 'sudo update-grub' rather than using the absolute path; but otherwise looks good
[10:57] <keescook> cjwatson: yeah, I debated about that one
[10:57] <keescook> okay, great.
[10:58] <keescook> one question I have is that /etc/fstab still has non-symlinks for things like cdroms.
[10:58] <keescook> it seems that was only fixed in the installer?
[10:59] <cjwatson> I think the upgrade tool had to munge that
[10:59] <cjwatson> check with mvo?
[11:00] <keescook> okay, thanks
[11:00] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, the installer might use the physical devices actually
[11:00] <cjwatson> can't remember what it prefers
[11:00] <cjwatson> partman-target bug if so
[11:03] <slomo_> cjwatson: can you give gstreamer0.10 back on x86? it builds fine locally...
[11:04] <cjwatson> slomo_: no, I am not able to give back packages
[11:04] <cjwatson> you want somebody in ~launchpad-buildd-admins
[11:04] <slomo_> oh, i thought you could do it too... sorry
[11:04] <cjwatson> nope
[11:39] <saispo> Burgundavia: you have seen this bug ? under gutsy, hibernate don't work, just sleeping...
[11:39] <saispo> all work fine before on feisty