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| jonnylamb | There are two branches for each maemo module on Launchpad, "ubuntu" and "trunk". Am I right in thinking that trunk is automatically merged with each svn commit on the maemo.org end; and the ubuntu branch is simply a branch of trunk, for the purpose of cleaning up the package for Ubuntu? | 11:30 |
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| Mithrandir | jonnylamb: that is correct. | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | the trunk is an import of svn to bzr | 12:27 |
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| jonnylamb | Mithrandir: Thanks. | 12:45 |
| jonnylamb | Why do you do that though? | 12:45 |
| jonnylamb | Why are you taking each commit? | 12:46 |
| jonnylamb | Why not just use the releases? | 12:46 |
| Mithrandir | because preserving history is important | 12:49 |
| Mithrandir | and working without the support from a revision control system is horrible | 12:49 |
| jonnylamb | Oh I think I understand now. You're merging in changes only when a release comes out? Only this way, the bzr history is lovely and full of changes made to maemo svn? | 12:51 |
| jonnylamb | I was "worried" you were packaging and _releasing_ stuff that was trunk material, i.e. not necesserily stable. | 12:52 |
| mdz | jonnylamb: we are packaging trunk in many cases, yes | 01:04 |
| mdz | jonnylamb: but we are not releasing until October | 01:04 |
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| jonnylamb | Is the reason of using this vcs-imports method to keep history even on the stage.maemo.org side? As in keeping track of all their commits? | 01:06 |
| mdz | jonnylamb: it's so that we can maintain our own distributed branches | 01:09 |
| mdz | it's like being able to work inside svn, but without requiring accounts etc. | 01:10 |
| mdz | so we have all the benefits of revision control but the flexibility of decentralization | 01:10 |
| lool | Hi there | 01:36 |
| lool | I'm sorry I couldn't attend the meeting, I would have loved offering my help on a couple of things such as Gtk bits | 01:36 |
| lool | I discussed some implementation details with seb128 and other folks | 01:37 |
| lool | Hmm I see agoliveira already found about g_key_file_free() instead of g_free() | 01:41 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, he did | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | according to a mail he sent me yesterday, the theme builder now works | 01:44 |
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| Mithrandir | oh, docs, why do you hate me so? | 01:56 |
| tko_ | gtk-doc problems? | 01:57 |
| Mithrandir | make run in the top level directory doesn't run make docs | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | which makes dh_install quite unhappy. | 01:58 |
| tko_ | I thought I hacked my way around that | 01:58 |
| tko_ | hmm, no, I did the hack in hildon-1 | 01:59 |
| lool | Mithrandir: I simply passed --disable-gtk-doc here O:-) | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | lool: I made debian/rules call make doc too | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | hm, why is the --disable-gtk-doc there? That might explain it | 01:59 |
| tko_ | because we don't have recent enough gtk-doc | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | but we do | 02:00 |
| lool | --disable-gtk-doc instructs to not build doc at make time, but disted tarball should use --enable-gtk-doc and ship the pre-built docs | 02:00 |
| lool | You don't want to build the doc on each build, except if you're running autogen | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | hmm | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | shouldn't just the normal make rules govern that? | 02:01 |
| lool | Not sure what you mean | 02:01 |
| lool | Hmm where's the gtkdocize call in autogen? | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | why is this a configure flag rather than just having a rule in the Makefile that rebuilds the docs if the sources have changed? | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | no gtkdocize call there | 02:02 |
| lool | Mithrandir: There's such a rule _if_ you pass --enable-gtk-doc I think | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | oh, ok. | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | then I think passing --enable-gtk-doc should be fine. | 02:03 |
| lool | Well, only if you autogen | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | -fm does that automatically at first. | 02:03 |
| lool | If you don't want to autogen, you should prebuild the docs oo | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | why shouldn't they be built as part of the package? | 02:03 |
| lool | The gtk-doc rules are using autotools convention which suggest that they should be make disted | 02:04 |
| lool | For example, dist-hook, maintainer-clean-local, etc. | 02:04 |
| Mithrandir | we can change it later if we think that makes sense; I'll just pass --enable-gtk-doc for now. | 02:05 |
| lool | It's a choice the gtk-doc developers made that their gtk-doc.make will help you _produce tarballs_ with doc, but not produce tarballs which build doc | 02:05 |
| lool | Mithrandir: Ok, but be aware that it wont possibly clean properly | 02:05 |
| Mithrandir | true, make distclean doesn't clean it. | 02:06 |
| lool | Exactly | 02:07 |
| Mithrandir | but the package builds that way, which I think is more important. | 02:07 |
| lool | I would personally call autogen.sh in this case | 02:08 |
| lool | But right, the important thing is to get forward :) | 02:08 |
| Mithrandir | I'm tempted to say "this wouldn't be a problem if we had proper upstream releases", something I'm confident will happen sometime soonish. | 02:08 |
| lool | I concur fully | 02:08 |
| lool | Exactly like striping the debian/ out is currently a pain because I'm using non-native mode; this will disappear with upstream tarball releases | 02:09 |
| lool | I wonder why it build for me here though | 02:09 |
| lool | Haha, I passed --enabled-gtk-doc :) | 02:10 |
| lool | Do like I say, not like I do | 02:10 |
| Mithrandir | haha. :-) | 02:11 |
| lool | Ah I recall why now; this debian/rules did not have a special autogen.sh section | 02:12 |
| Mithrandir | config.status: if [ ! -x configure ] ; then ./autogen.sh; fi | 02:12 |
| Mithrandir | with a newline after the first : | 02:12 |
| lool | Yeah, but no "configure" rule lke some others | 02:13 |
| lool | with flags passed to autogen.sh | 02:13 |
| Mithrandir | ah, point. | 02:13 |
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| Mithrandir | tko_: is there any reason not to let hildon-fm depend on hildon-fm-l10n with a specific version number rather than using the mr / mr0 /mrX approach? | 03:00 |
| tko_ | I don't recall the details why the packaging was done the way it was. presumably because depending on virtual package doesn't install any concrete one | 03:15 |
| Mithrandir | which is why you'd have something like Depends: hildon-fm-l10n-english | hildon-fm-l10n and have all the different hildon-fm-l10n-XX packages provide the former. | 03:16 |
| Mithrandir | the former = hildon-fm-l10n in this case | 03:16 |
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| Mithrandir | dpkg-deb: Bygger pakken libhildondesktop0 i ../libhildondesktop0_0.0.14-2ubuntu2_i386.deb. | 03:23 |
| Mithrandir | \o/ | 03:23 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: ! | 03:25 |
| Mithrandir | no idea if it installs yet, but we're getting there. | 03:26 |
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| bintut | what filesystem do you use for the upcoming ubuntu-mobile? | 03:55 |
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| tko | btw, I just realized I've been doing tarball releases of sapwood since the beginning.. | 06:23 |
| tko | it is causing me some extra pain :) | 06:23 |
| lool | tko: Do you know how the move to gnome.org is going? | 06:34 |
| tko | http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/MigrationToGnome | 06:34 |
| lool | Great; looks good | 06:35 |
| tko | basically the order was 1) accounts, 2) svn, 3) bugzilla | 06:35 |
| lool | I see | 06:36 |
| tko | once we have svn enabled on gnome side, we still need to get svn dump from our side and also get a hole in the firewall | 06:36 |
| lool | I wonder how the vcs-import switch will happen; promises some fun :) | 06:37 |
| lool | tko: Ah for SSH I suppose | 06:37 |
| tko | oh right, and then we're waiting for jdub to set up hildon mailing list | 06:37 |
| tko | yep | 06:38 |
| tko | our firewall is a bit paranoid | 06:38 |
| inz | slight understatement ;) | 06:39 |
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| jonnylamb | May I ask /why/ you're moving to gnome.org? | 07:09 |
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| tko | we want to make hildon less strongly tied with nokia and run it as a true upstream project | 07:50 |
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| tko | btw, who's coming to CA next week? me and moises could use a ride | 08:01 |
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| lool | tko: Is there an IRC chan where mdk is around? | 09:16 |
| lool | tko: Or perhaps you can fix the weird "AC_ARG_ENABLE " alone on line 117 of libhildon/hildon-1? | 09:16 |
| tko | lool: I suppose he'd be here or #maemo when he's online, but I'll try fixing it (don't have a checkout here) | 09:19 |
| lool | tko: Ok, I've fired bugzilla now; want a bug? | 09:19 |
| tko | lool: give me a minute to finish the checkout.. | 09:19 |
| lool | tko: Right, I see him in the backlog now; thanks | 09:19 |
| lool | Is there a way to tell the SVN rev from the bzr rev? | 09:20 |
| lool | This is how bzr log looks: http://paste.debian.net/29986 | 09:20 |
| tko | lool: that would be r11820 but I don't know how you'd get it | 09:21 |
| tko | bzr-svn maybe? | 09:21 |
| lool | bzr-svn hung for me when I tried importing haf's SVN; after taking some 1.5 GB RAM + swap, it encountered some incomprehensible error | 09:23 |
| lool | So I've given up there :-/ | 09:23 |
| lool | tko: I wish it would be visible in the log just like in git-svn | 09:23 |
| tko | git-svn had no problems with gtk :) | 09:23 |
| lool | hehe | 09:23 |
| tko | (our gtk.. I didn't feel like waiting to mirror the whole upstream) | 09:24 |
| lool | bzr-svn is supposedly transparently integrated, and I have it installed and didn't see anything in the log | 09:24 |
| lool | (You're supposed to use bzr "normally", for example "bzr branch svn://...") | 09:24 |
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| lool | bzr viz is quite nice | 09:26 |
| jonnylamb | Certainly is! | 09:30 |
| jonnylamb | Is there anything like this for git?! :D | 09:30 |
| lool | gitk I guess | 09:31 |
| lool | It's cute too; too bad it's not in Gtk | 09:33 |
| inz | How can they name it gitk, if it's not Gtk?-) | 09:34 |
| lool | It's in tk :) | 09:34 |
| tko | lool: committed | 09:35 |
| jonnylamb | gitk looks damn ugly, but it does the job. | 09:35 |
| inz | lool, uh, then I guess it's acceptible ;) | 09:35 |
| lool | tko: thanks! | 09:35 |
| lool | tko: I'll file a bug directly next time; it's WE after all :) I was mostly curious as to whether you were using a private IRC channel, but seems not | 09:36 |
| tko | lool: if we were it would be somewhere in the intranet :) | 09:37 |
| tko | remember, we're only moving towards being an upstream project :) | 09:37 |
| Knowledge_ | Ubutu Mobile + n800 = dream machine... | 09:44 |
| Knowledge_ | if the mobile version is anything like the desktop version... | 09:44 |
| tko | Knowledge_: what is lacking in the software shipped with n800 ? | 09:50 |
| Knowledge_ | tko: honestly nothing, I love it...I just like modding stuff.... | 09:51 |
| tko | :) | 09:51 |
| Knowledge_ | I'm not one of those "ohhh the 770/n800 are so terrible because I can't run apache on it"....yadda yadda...I bought it because of what it was advertised to do...and it does that flawlessly.... | 09:51 |
| tko | there's always hex editor.. :-P | 09:51 |
| tko | I thought someone already ported apache.. or some other web server atleast (forgot the name) | 09:52 |
| Knowledge_ | oh...well you get what I mean...there's people on the iTt forums that whine and whine cause the device doesn't suck their....well, I'm pretty sure you know what I'm getting at | 09:54 |
| tko | yeah, I know | 09:55 |
| Knowledge_ | I love the device... | 09:55 |
| Knowledge_ | barely use it and it's still the best $400 I've ever spent | 09:55 |
| lool | tko: lighthttpd perhaps | 10:09 |
| lool | or lighttpd either | 10:10 |
| tko | lool: no, it was some other indian IIRC | 10:10 |
| tko | cherokee | 10:22 |
| lool | Ah right | 10:30 |
| lool | I was thinking about a project hosted in India | 10:30 |
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| jonnylamb | What does "mce" stand for? | 12:00 |
| jonnylamb | Forgive me, "Mode Control Entity". However, I'm a little unsure on what it is/it does ? | 12:01 |
| jonnylamb | It seems to be mentioned, but not documented here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-May/000098.html | 12:01 |
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