=== Zic[Laptop] [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.119.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@206-248-181-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === icf7 [n=icf7@PPPOE-05-0136.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmm [n=chatzill@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] Although it's not long after my first advocation, I'm looking for my second for ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5413 or any comments. [12:33] good night === RainCT [n=RainCT@77.209.36.228] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:33] night night === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pepe [n=pepe@p5482BE9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@21-166.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pepe [n=pepe@p5482BE9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] bmm: I'd change the link to the downloads in debian/copyright, so you don't have to change it with every new release ;) [12:59] pochu: change it how? You mean point to the homepage, not the source file? [01:00] Well, either the homepage, or the downloads page. === Simon80 [n=Simon80@CPE00e098558963-CM000a7363ecf6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] I'm not really expecting a new release soon, so it should be ok. But I'll put it on my todo === YokoZar [n=scott@c-76-20-46-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=luibg@205.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-211-46.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] Night folks === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] Hey all. [01:55] Hey TheMuso === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] Ah, forums. Where else would you find such useful suggestions as "make it boot faster" :) [02:00] RAOF: Well, it may not specify HOW to do it, but it does help to know what users want in general every now and again [02:00] I'd imagine many of us never reboot, so boot times aren't as big a deal for us than most of our users ;) === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@206-248-181-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] YokoZar: Eh, maybe. [02:05] RAOF: On the other hand, I get tons of "make it work better", which isn't exactly useful :) === RoninX341 [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] Is there an easy way to determine from package source whether a package is VCS maintained in Ubuntu vs. being VCS maintained in Debian? [02:17] persia: good morning :) [02:17] nixternal: Good morning. I'm looking now :) [02:17] hey, just so you know, I put the latest kplayer on mentors and ana will hopefully sponsor it shortly [02:18] nixternal: Great! [02:18] ya, but take a quick look and see if you come up with anything...just in case ana and them decide there are to many k*players in kde-extras :) [02:18] hmm, the latest pymsnt merge should've been a sync [02:22] Grrr! You gotta love companies that release proprietary software for Linux, and make a deb available, which is *ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING* quality. [02:23] The deb packaging that is. [02:23] heh [02:23] persia: For a start, they ask questions in pre/postinst, and do not use debconf. [02:23] ew [02:23] TheMuso: You could submit a patch. Most of debian/ can be reconstructed from the binary :) [02:23] My thoughts exactly [02:24] persia: Very true. [02:26] G'night === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] [02:29] actually I reboot fairly often [02:29] one of the side effects of testing changes [02:31] Is kvm broken for anyone else? Man, Sid's gnome looks ugly by default. [02:32] not ugly ... functional :-) === StevenK appears. === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso cringes even more at this appauling deb. === caleb_ [n=caleb@cust0920.vic01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] Symlinking libraries from /opt/lib to /usr/lib is just asking for trouble. [02:43] good morning all!! (jussi01 on brothers machine) [02:43] Whats more, the libraries don't have version numbers in their names. === TheMuso c hecks for a soname. [02:44] morning TheMuso [02:45] Hey fredericthewise [02:45] TheMuso: so does this mystery demonic package have a name? :) [02:46] AndyP: Its a software speech synthesizer, that is only available for purchase. [02:46] hey TheMuso, you are in au correct?? === ajmitch returns [02:47] jussi01: Yes. [02:47] brb [02:47] hello ajmitch [02:48] nixternal: Commented. Note that menu files are more important in Debian than in Ubuntu. [02:48] time to take a look at LSR. New $employer will allow me to spend some time to work on it. [02:49] crimsun: where are you now? [02:50] ajmitch: in a coffee shop :-) [02:50] :P [02:51] I mean in terms of $employer [02:51] I'm in the Washington, D.C. area [02:54] persia: which directory should I populate the kplayer manpage to? [02:54] "the correct one." [02:54] kplayer(1) [02:54] heh, there are quite a few "one"s [02:55] no, literally one. [02:55] one (1) [02:55] so in the kplayer.manpages, it should be populated with? [02:55] kplayer.1 is in debian/ [02:55] nixternal: Just put debian/kplayer.1 in kplayer.manpages (yes, 1) [02:55] debian/kplayer.1 [02:56] rock on [02:56] thanks === AndyP looks at the easytag merge and goes cross-eyed [02:56] nixternal: dh_installman takes care of the destination based on the manpage filename. [02:57] crimsun: Um... What are you on about? [02:58] when debian catches up with the versions of our -0ubuntuN packages, how on earth do we merge them? [02:58] TheMuso: I'm doing to dig in [02:58] grr, going to dig in [02:58] crimsun: Why? Whats up with it? [02:58] TheMuso: nothing's "up" with it. [02:58] crimsun: um ok. [02:58] AndyP: Use the ubuntu orig.tar.gz, and create a debdiff including the debian changes (if appropriate) in the Ubuntu package. [02:59] TheMuso: employer has an interest in making it work for our aging workforce, many of whom are impaired. [02:59] crimsun: aaah [02:59] crimsun: Well maybe orca would be a better bet. === persia thought LSR was deprecated for actual screen reading [03:00] I'll look into that [03:00] persia: ok, i think i get that [03:00] persia: LSR was IBM's screen reader for GNOME, but now that its dormant, I say let it lie. I'd rather the one screen reader for GNOME. [03:00] unlike alsa, it's a fairly new category for me [03:01] TheMuso: That makes sense to me, although my (very light) interest in LSR is more about the input device management. [03:02] persia: um ok. === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] ah i see seb128 is the easytag maintainer for both debian and ubuntu, i'll wait until i've asked him about it === AndyP scours MoM for another victim [03:12] bluekuja: About kid3: Please remerge once Ubuntu actually ships FLAC 1.1.4: the current merge doesn't work. [03:12] AndyP: You're welcome to do nufw which is in the updated merges sectio. [03:12] section [03:13] TheMuso: thanks, i'll take a look [03:15] ewwwwwwww!!! Ok this package really sucks! It depends on libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 [03:15] flac is in binary NEW. [03:15] yay for transitions. [03:17] crimsun: Yep! [03:18] If anyone has a moment, would they be willing to tell me why `find /usr/share/applications -type f -name *.desktop -printf '%p\n' -execdir grep -q "^MimeType";` doesn't work? === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] persia: maybe the * is being used by bash (or whatever shell) and not find ? [03:24] AndyP: Thanks. I've actually just realised I need \; instead of ;, which seems to address it. Darn shell quoting rules. [03:24] :) === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] is there a set of tools, besides lintian and linda, that you use for revu'ing? I want to cut down on packaging issues I seem to have by following the documentation [03:33] nixternal: There's a list of hints for reviewers available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing. It's not everything people use, but it might reduce comments. [03:33] ya, already use that [03:33] for instance, how do you validate a .desktop file? that was the first I have ever heard of that [03:34] and I can verify the desktop file does in fact work when installing the pkg's [03:34] nixternal: Ah. That's just me :) The tool is called desktop-file-validate, in the desktop-file-utils package. The current .desktop only works in KDE (not that many XFCE or GNOME users are likely to use kplayer, but...) [03:35] ahh, very true [03:35] well my fix for that is everyone should do the right thing and use KDE :p === nixternal hides [03:36] nixternal: So, you'll port plucker-desktop to QT then :) [03:37] now that is a sweet tool [03:37] bah, to much work involved with that horrible app [03:38] it seems a lot of people are ditching plucker-desktop and using a util called Sunrise [03:38] supposedly similar, except for the fact that it just works :) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-081-128.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] persia: for the desktop files, is it recommended to use a patch for each .desktop file, or is it fine to have 1 patch fix all .desktop files? [03:42] nixternal: I think 1 patch for all the .desktop files is easier to maintain. Also remember to put something in /usr/share/pixmaps, as other environments don't search the legacy KDE image locations. [03:43] yup...I will get that [03:43] the cut&paste desc..you were referring to the manpage? [03:47] nixternal: debian/control. The manpage is great, but the long descriptions in the control file for -common and -doc looked like repetitions of the main description at first glance. On the other hand, descriptions isn't really a strong point for me. [03:48] oh, they are..only following other packages, that is why I did it that way [03:48] what does it mean when the .po files in debian/po/ all have .UBUNTU suffixes and there aren't any .DEBIAN counterparts? they were removed from the debian package? [03:48] (from MoM) [03:48] depends. [03:49] for main source, always prefer the Debian .po [03:49] Rosetta's used for that. [03:49] for universe, it's a bit more complicated [03:49] nixternal: As I said, it's not something I know well. If you have other example packages, it's probably fine. [03:51] crimsun: um ok, but there aren't any Debian .po [03:51] AndyP: so prefer the Debian source. [03:51] ah i see, ok === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-081-128.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Pumpernickle [n=pumperni@CPE0016b6c9fba4-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] joejaxx: have you made headway on ndisgtk? === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] crimsun: hmm? [04:10] joejaxx: I pinged you a couple weeks ago regarding the merge === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable201-233-49-165.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] crimsun: i do not see it on MoM [04:14] :\ [04:15] use DaD [04:16] do you have a link? it is not in the top any longer [04:16] gah [04:16] topic* [04:17] note that the DaD version is broken; you need to manually inspect it [04:17] crimsun: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbmail/+bug/119131 I see the package in MoM that's where I'll start ? [04:17] Launchpad bug 119131 in dbmail "Please Merge 2.2.5 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmr0 [n=tmr0@71-208-49-26.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] leonel: according to DaD, luca is already working on it. [04:20] blah [04:20] having both MoM and DaD really bugs me === gnudeep [n=gnudeep@124.43.222.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === snerfu_1 [n=brian@ip68-229-242-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] crimsun: I've mailed him knowing that he fixed somethings for 2.2.3 and said it was ok for me to do the merge === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] === persia encourages people working on merges to 1) Check LP for bugs on the package that might have patches that could be applied during the merge, and 2) File a merge bug before starting work (and not work on packages with open merge bugs). [04:22] leonel: ok, please change the comment on DaD and update the bug Status on LP according [04:23] LaserJock: do you have a link to DaD [04:23] ? [04:23] see the topic. [04:23] err === ScottK2 [n=lexoteri@208.45.127.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php [04:23] silly topic. === caleb_ [n=caleb@cust0920.vic01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stani [n=stani@d54C42106.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:29] Good $TIMEOFDAY everyone. [04:32] siretart: I saw your note to Doko on ubuntu-devel about recommending python-celeemttree. I think a large question about that particular pacakge is why we build it for Python 2.5 at all since it's now built in. [04:33] siretart: Debian only builds it for Python 2.4 and earlier. [04:33] urgh. large/larger. [04:34] hey ScottK2 I'm going for my first merge .. [04:34] Hey leonel. Great. Which one. [04:34] dbmail [04:34] Ah. [04:35] but there are patches that need to be applied [04:35] How's clamav security updating going? I've been offline the last two days. [04:35] let's see how it gets === viveksri15 [i=ca8d6b15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-475610bd86ecffe7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] hi all [04:36] well time for my merge adventure :P [04:36] scottK2 clamav I had to stop it, It turned complicated to find the patches in the changed version .. [04:36] viveksri15: hello [04:36] leonel: Did you talk to dktrkranz about doing the dbmail merge? [04:36] scottK2 but I'm not abandoning clamav [04:36] scottK2 yes I've mailed him and said it was ok for me to do the merge [04:36] leonel: It might be worth it to pubilsh the patches you've gotten done so far. [04:37] leonel: OK. Just making sure. It's considered polite, but not everyone does it. [04:37] scottK2 for dapper's clamav I can only apply 1 the ole2 [04:37] scottK2 the o [04:37] leonel: One fix is better than no fixes. [04:37] scottK2 there are 4 more to be fixed [04:38] scottK2 but I got lost since the patches must be applied in cab.c and dapper's clamav does not have cab.c file ... [04:38] ScottK2 the ole2 I'll work on it tomorrow [04:39] OK. But if you end up having to put it aside for a while, you should ask keescook to publish what you've gotten done. [04:40] scottK2 ok I was not going to abandon dapper's clamav [04:40] OK. [04:40] Sounds good. === vivek [i=ca8d6b15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-98fca0871951b538] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] scottK I need to find those patches in sarge's clamav [04:41] scottK2 I need to find those patches in sarge's clamav [04:41] leonel: I expect keescook could help you find them. [04:42] scottK2 ok I'll ask him but first let me search in sarge's [04:42] OK. === smcgraw [n=shane@12-216-188-54.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === smm83 [n=shane@12-216-188-54.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44515.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] TheMuso: nufw merged in bug #119249 [05:03] Launchpad bug 119249 in nufw "Please merge nufw 2.2.0-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119249 === tru_`z24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] AndyP: Ok, will have a look in a bit. === ScottK2 [n=lexoteri@208.45.127.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] Hello effie_jayx. [05:35] hey ScottK [05:35] hey ScottK2 [05:35] How are things going? Have you started working on anything else? === bleinmon1 [n=toffel@ppp91-76-73-156.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] ScottK2, moodle [05:38] I am a bit stuck === ScottK2 hasn't looked at the pacakge, but could try and help if you have a question... === caleb_ [n=caleb@cust0920.vic01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] ScottK2, the only change reads... new upstream version [05:43] effie_jayx: you are merging moodle? [05:44] LaserJock, just for kicks ... to learn ... yes [05:44] Edubuntu is working on moodle I think === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-192-215.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] LaserJock, I am trying to learn... I am not going for the money yet :D [05:49] :S [05:51] ScottK2, did you check the changelog? [05:51] the thing is I am not quite sure If I am doing the right things... [05:52] so, today I merged lintian and added in a check that will stop NMU warnings for ubuntuX packages [05:54] effie_jayx: No. I was waiting to see if LaserJock had anything to say. [05:54] LaserJock: That sounds good. [05:55] ScottK2, Ok [05:55] moodle isn't exactly the ideal "starter" package === ScottK2 will look now. [05:55] I see [05:55] effie_jayx: Did you pick moodle or did someone suggest it to you? [05:56] I picled it [05:56] my bad... [05:56] LaserJock: Do you have a pending merge that would be good for someone new (I have none) [05:59] hmm, how about texmacs === effie_jayx check MoM for texmacs [05:59] LaserJock: Debian "fixed" the octave wrong result bug by switching back to g77 === ScottK2 hides from anythin with tex in the name... [05:59] minghua: and that "fixed" it? [05:59] ScottK: it's an editor, it's not that bad [06:02] darn it, I'm running out of hard drive space [06:02] you don't need it. Gimme. [06:03] well, I've got a gutsy source/i386 mirror [06:03] it's eating up a lot of space [06:03] and now I'm actually using vmware === StevenK wishes he had another 15Gb or so to commit to his mirror so it could grab source. [06:04] I've got 1 last partition to wipe [06:04] it has OpenSUSE on it [06:04] but I can just use vmware for that [06:04] LaserJock: yes, because gfortran and g77 has different ABI for complex numbers on 64-bit platforms [06:04] LaserJock: and BLAS/LAPACK/ATLAS is compiled by g77 [06:05] interesting [06:06] so I'm using up 49GB for gutsy mirror [06:07] Man, there's this strange voice recognition filter on Telstra's support line. [06:07] My edgy/fiesty/gutsy amd64/i386 mirror is 57Gb. [06:08] I'm thinking it might be time to stop mirroring edgy. [06:09] RAOF: Whenever I call Telstra, it can't seem to pick up my mobile number. [06:10] RAOF: It asks "Is your query about the phone you're on now?" Which is the office PRI, so of course it isn't. === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] StevenK: Or it's about the landline at my new flat, and I want to know whether it's atually *connected* or not! === RAOF thought he'd merged TeXMacs recently. [06:12] StevenK: only 57GB? === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] LaserJock: Heh, I only have 60Gb available for it. [06:13] RAOF, there is a new package [06:13] StevenK: I've got 942M free [06:13] RAOF, texmacs-1.0.6.10 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] effie_jayx: Oooh, I use texmacs. What interesting bugs are fixed :) [06:16] hi all [06:16] Hey Hobbsee [06:16] :) === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viveksri15 [i=d2d43dfb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-c0190f877452d438] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:26] hm 5:25am... time for bed. good night folks [06:27] So, I should get internet at my flat in a week or so. Woooo! [06:27] yay! === Hobbsee has already hard-rebooted the router this morning, to get internet. === Hobbsee should play phone-mangling at some point, too. [06:28] yup. it's dead. [06:29] .desktop file, for an action, is it necessary to provide a name and and type? [06:29] nixternal: Could you rephrase? I'm not sure how to answer other than http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ [06:30] ya, I was looking at that, and ummm they forgot all about Actions :) [06:30] yay, successful phone-mangling! [06:30] Actions? [06:30] i.e. actions uses in service menus and such in KDE [06:30] Hobbsee: Phone mangling? [06:30] this channel is particularly random tonight. [06:30] RAOF: VOIP phone. hell when the internet connection goes down [06:31] Actions=AddToPlaylists;AddToCollection; [06:31] Hobbsee: Oh. Whoops :) [06:31] RAOF: ie, it usually doesnt get another IP, so you have to hard-reboot the voice box. [06:31] and usually, once you do that a few times, it'll come back [06:32] else you have to wipe all the settings, put them back in, etc. much pain. or just ignore the phone :P [06:32] Ah, technology. Isn't it wonderful. [06:32] yep, yep [06:32] technology in au is definetly very wonderful === Hobbsee plans to move to another country, at some point. [06:33] nixternal: I'm having trouble finding docs on that, but I think http://techbase.kde.org/SysAdmin/Kiosk/Keys implies you want to use X-KDE-AuthorizeAction= [06:33] Hobbsee: It's not all the tech, just everything that has anything to do with telecommunications :) [06:33] Hobbsee: denmark? sweden? the netherlands? finland? germany? [06:33] persia: hehe [06:33] Hobbsee: Muscent be a good VOIP device then. [06:33] crimsun: europe somewhere. maybe germany [06:33] persia: those are for kde rc config files [06:34] TheMuso: it's an engin voicebox. [06:34] I'd choose .nl for sure [06:34] TheMuso: and i'ts on hellstra, so... === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] crimsun: why so? [06:34] Hobbsee: Hmm ok. A voicebox is a rebranded spa afaik [06:34] .c [06:34] because everywhere else sucks. [06:34] ugh [06:34] TheMuso: yeah, that sounds vaguely familiar [06:34] nixternal: See the "Authorising .desktop files" section. I'm just not finding a good reference for legacy KDE menu entries, and how to migrate to f.d.o .desktop files. [06:35] Well I am using a SPA-3102 here [06:35] With no real problems. === gnudeep [n=gnudeep@124.43.224.90] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@WNPP-p-203-54-28-175.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@WNPP-p-203-54-28-175.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ccharles [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK-confused [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slackwarelife [n=slackwar@host249-129-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-014-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia wonders if a .desktop file installed in a non-ideal location is actually a bug in Debian. [07:20] sure, why not? Bugs for everyone! === polopolo [n=IceChat7@ip5457cfa6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] hello all, what must I do if I want to merge from debian? [07:22] crimsun: The difficulty is that while I can find documentation indicating that Ubuntu appls should follow the f.d.o spec, I'm not finding anything similar in Debian, aside from a couple notes that .desktop files are nice, and that applying Ubuntu .desktop file patches is safe. I don't want to generate heaps of extra bugs that don't apply just to reduce my personal delta. [07:22] And if I want test my package in debian, must I then test in debian 4.0? [07:23] polopolo: Sid, I believe. [07:23] polopolo: AKA: unstable. [07:23] persia: a wishlist bug certainly seems innocuous [07:23] polopolo: If the Ubuntu package differs from the Debian package, you need to apply any Ubuntu changes that are still appropriate to the Debian package and propose it for upload. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging for more guidance. [07:24] crimsun: Maybe. I'll put those last in the queue of patches to feed. [07:24] RAOF: where can I download unstable, I cannot find on debian.org [07:26] And is a sponsor who says in revu 'yes' or it says 'uploaded'? [07:26] polopolo: cdimage.debian.org [07:26] man-di ty [07:26] man-di: then I come to http://www.debian.org/CD/ === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] wait, i'm now on ftp of the serer [07:27] polopolo: For a merge, you generally wouldn't want to use REVU. See the merge docs above, or "Preparing New Revisions" in MOTU/Contributing. [07:30] man-di: I don't think it's safe to point people to sid installers unless the d-i team acclaim that they are useful === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@cust0920.vic01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] minghua: the page contains etch too [07:31] man-di, polopolo: the standard way to get an unstable/sid system, I believe, is installing stable and dist-upgrade [07:31] minghua: its the official page for downgrads === RAOF didn't know there *were* sid installers. [07:31] downloads [07:31] persia: the desktop files can't be fixed 100% until they update the xdg standards a little more [07:32] man-di: I thought polopolo was asking "how to download unstable"? === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@adsl-69-209-68-46.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] desktop-file-validate contradicts itself with X-Type and Type [07:32] minghua: oops, I overlooked the "unstable" === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] nixternal: desktop-file-validate was recently rewritten upstream, so I'm not surprised. If you get it close enough, that's good enough. [07:33] RAOF: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/build-logs.html [07:34] Heh, cool. Next time I want to install a sid vm, I'll head there :) === man-di always uses debootstrap... [07:35] RAOF: make sure you read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today first [07:35] (actually, I found the link on that wiki page) [07:35] "Fails due to dpkg database corruption". Fun. === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [07:40] persia: when I build out the package, kplayer and tmp seem to hold the same files..how can I fix that? === viveksri15 [i=dce36163@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-4b720dc5e57513f6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] hi all [07:42] nixternal: I'm not sure, nor if you need to. Do the binaries contain the right files? I'll download again and do a local build to experiment in a little bit. [07:42] yes [07:43] nixternal: If your binary debs match your desires, I wouldn't worry about extra files that only appear during the build. === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1caf:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] ok === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] I have the xpm icon being installed via rules into debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps using install/kplayer-common:: [07:49] is that cool, or would you do it another way? [07:50] nixternal: I'd use debian/kplayer-common.install to install things in general, but specifically, I recommend putting the icon in kplayer, as otherwise lintian will complain that your menu file references a icon not included in the package. [07:51] roger [07:51] so no need to add that to the rules then? [07:52] nixternal: CDBS already uses kplayer*.install to install the files into the packages. Putting it in debian/rules makes two places where you are installing things, and will likely be more confusing to anyone else working with the package. In general, only overload CDBS when the helper files cannot do what you wish. [07:53] k === drbyte [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chris_ [n=chris@dhcp047078.wireless.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] Hrm RAOF isn't running around on fire. [07:56] Nope, RAOF has found somewhere inside that's got UniWide coverage. [07:57] RAOF: Does that mean your usual desk is open to the elements? :-P [07:58] Nope, but my usual desk *isn't* "UniWide" [07:59] Double-wide? [08:01] he's referring to his uni's lovely wifi [08:01] which undoubtedly still beats my uni's [08:02] Maybe. [08:02] They're pretty clueless when it comes to linux support. [08:02] no, I retract that. I'm sure it does. [08:03] I'll put it this way: all the APs in this building are in closets on each floor next to the rear stairwell. That's right. Precise identical location on each floor. One per floor. For nine floors. [08:04] Sounds good to me. [08:04] Nice and predictable deadzones! [08:04] It would - except only the one on the bottom floor (basement) is connected. [08:04] I happen to be on the sixth floor. [08:04] ... [08:04] Oh, dear. [08:05] Remember, the admins for this dear place named the two MACs I can use "FUN" and "Box". [08:06] Ok. UniWide beats your wireless. === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@adsl-69-209-68-46.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-074-018-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF_ [n=chris@dhcp047034.wireless.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === svschwartz [n=user@217.147.21.82] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] hello everyone [08:34] hiya jussi01 [08:34] Hi jussi01 [08:35] hi Hobbsee, persia [08:35] Hey jussi01 [08:35] hello RAOF_ === Hobbsee wonders if her uni wifi will work today [08:35] good luck Hobbsee [08:36] :) [08:36] i have to go in there at some point... :( === jussi01 is heading to the football tonight. (essendon v west coast) :D [08:36] ooh, fun! [08:36] jussi01: Woot! [08:36] jussi01: At the 'G? [08:37] yeah, going with the little brothers :D [08:37] jussi01: are you normally australian, or you a temporary one? [08:37] StevenK: telstra dome === svschwartz installed gysty i386, looks fresh and stable :) [08:37] Hobbsee: Im neither... I am an aussie, how ever i reside in finland.... [08:37] hee on holiday [08:37] ahhhh [08:37] here.. === Ej_Pulsar [n=pulsar@62.76.92.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] hi to all, i have 2 dirs: one with source files and another with patch files. I wan't to merge diff files with source, can anybody help? I try to use patch command but don't know how do it recursively for all patch files [08:38] you should come pu to sydney [08:38] Yeah, that's where all the cool kids are :) [08:38] Heh [08:38] hehe, I wish... [08:39] someone paying for my virgin/jetstar flights ? [08:39] :D [08:39] Just walk. It's not *that* far :P [08:39] Ej_Pulsar: You might be looking for combinediff, but you might also be looking for dpatch. [08:39] lol [08:39] Heh === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] RAOF: only, what, maybe 1000 k's ? [08:39] hello [08:39] Yeah, give or take. [08:40] hehe :D [08:40] I have a problem when I try to build a package with 'debuild -S -sa -kDEADBEEF', the resulting *.change use my local address not the one set in DEBEMAIL [08:41] I have me@myhostname [08:41] persia, thank a lot [08:41] crevette: Check your debian/changelog === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F779EF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] morning dholbach [08:42] good morning [08:42] hey jussi01 [08:42] crevette: More expansively, I recommend not using -kDEADBEEF unless you are sponsoring someone else's upload, as that way the attempt to sign the package will automatically check against the available keys. [08:42] persia: it seems it doesn't work without that [08:42] crevette: better yet, add -> export DEBEMAIL=email@address.com <- to your ~/.bashrc [08:43] crevette: Right. You need to have your key match the last email address in the changelog. That's why I recommend not using -k, because it fails if that's not the case. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] anyway lads and ladies, im off to the footy, see you all later [08:44] have fun :) [08:44] hi spam [08:44] i will...bye [08:44] crevette: DEBEMAIL - I wrote this in the mail too, no? [08:44] yep [08:45] but for a reason I didn't understant, it didn't worked, now it will worked [08:45] I'm sure [08:45] StevenK: Hi, have you read your scrollback about the bug in requestsync? === bersace [n=bersace@81.56.172.80] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] crevette: did you source ~/.bashrc ? [08:46] geser: Yup. [08:46]