manchickenOkay, why the hell in 3.5.7 does switching from one desktop to another using hotkeys stick so much?12:32
manchickenThis is just getting irritating...12:32
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manchickenWow, quanta+ is very unstable.12:48
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RadiantFirewhats it doing?12:54
manchickenAll I want is a more GUI-ified emacs...01:01
crimsunemacs in a Konsole doesn't suffice? ;)01:03
apacheloggeranyone with kubuntu running thinkpad around?01:05
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: can try a kopete plugin for me?01:07
lucky_lucasfor sure01:07
lucky_lucaskopete / kde 4 ?01:07
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kopete-thinklight/kopete-thinklight_0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb01:07
apacheloggerkopete from kde301:08
lucky_lucasand if it works, I would be very pleased to keep it01:08
apacheloggerthe plugin should be able to use your flash light on incoming messages01:08
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: of course can keep it :D01:08
lucky_lucasi know it was the only thing is miss from gaim01:08
apacheloggerthat's how I like it, make everyone happy ^_^01:09
manchickencrimsun: Not for everything.01:09
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lucky_lucasa friend just send me a message but nothing happens01:10
lucky_lucasI should activate it ^  ^01:10
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: ye activated it?01:10
lucky_lucasMe can't figure out how plugins configuration is done in kopete (shame on beers)01:12
apacheloggernow if I had an english kopete :D01:13
apacheloggersettings -> configure plugins01:13
lucky_lucascan try in french if you want01:13
lucky_lucasme can't figure out where is configure plugins...01:14
lucky_lucasjust have configure01:15
lucky_lucasconfigure shortcuts01:15
lucky_lucasand configure tool bar01:15
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: got a plug as icon01:15
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp047.png01:15
lucky_lucasdon't have such options ?01:16
lucky_lucasdo you have the normal kde 3  kopete ?01:16
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: you got the configure shortcuts menu?01:17
lucky_lucasbut not the global shortcuts01:17
lucky_lucasneither notifications01:17
apacheloggersomething's wrong with your kopete :P01:18
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: go to configure shortcuts01:18
apacheloggerans search for plugins01:18
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: are you in the settings menu of the kopete main widow, or a chat window's?01:20
lucky_lucasmain window i guess01:20
lucky_lucasshame on me, was the window,.........01:20
lucky_lucaschat window01:20
lucky_lucassorry i just come back from outise and had a few beers01:21
lucky_lucasit one o clock here01:21
apacheloggeralmost halfpast 2 it is01:21
lucky_lucasi have a warning, this device file is not writable talking a bout /proc/... light01:23
lucky_lucasI guess, i should put it as 77701:23
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apacheloggerlucky_lucas: what file?01:24
=== apachelogger is wondering
lucky_lucas /proc/acpi/ibm/light01:24
apacheloggerdon't get /proc/* permission lost on reboot?01:24
lucky_lucasthat0s the file, i m setting it 77701:24
lucky_lucasand i tell01:24
=== apachelogger thinks that needs some modification to acpi
lucky_lucasnot necessary01:25
lucky_lucaswaitinit works01:25
apacheloggerbut how does a user know what to do when this message pops up?01:26
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: ever used the gaim thinklight?01:26
lucky_lucasI know it because i know pretty well apci function of it01:27
lucky_lucasbut for instance it just writes the file blabla is not writeable01:27
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lucky_lucasI don't know if it's enough feedback for you01:28
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: yeah, at least I know it works :)01:28
lucky_lucasthank you i keep it01:29
lucky_lucasit's a good tool don't mess to port it on kopete / kde 401:29
apacheloggergotta talk to upstream about some sudo magic for permission01:29
lucky_lucasnice tool anyway01:29
lucky_lucasjust add a init file in the deb01:30
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: init file?01:30
apacheloggergood idea01:30
lucky_lucascopy a script that set the light to 777 in init.d01:30
lucky_lucasthat's the only time you hace a "pervasive " access to sudo01:31
lucky_lucasme proud to help the kopete-thinklight devs .....01:33
lucky_lucasI sais i'm lucky, Jjust open the notebook and someone comes with bleeding edge technos for me.01:34
lucky_lucasapachelogger: What philantropics ideas push you to develop packages for thinkpad, as you don't seem to own one01:37
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: I didn't develop that one01:37
apacheloggerjust package :P01:37
apacheloggerand I package right now everything packagable01:37
lucky_lucashey cool01:40
lucky_lucasapachelogger: You made me happy I'll sleep well tonight01:40
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: hehe :)01:42
lucky_lucasA thing i want to test, what happens if  I use it with the light on01:42
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lucky_lucasapachelogger: The plugins rocks, it even works when I have the light on before the message comes in and it let the light on01:45
lucky_lucasafter the blink01:45
lucky_lucasapachelogger: thank you, is it available for gutsy or in feisty ?01:46
apacheloggerlucky_lucas: will be available in gutsy01:48
apacheloggernot yet in the repos though01:48
lucky_lucasok, but since i have it know, I don't really care ^^01:49
lucky_lucas-know + now01:49
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lucky_lucasapachelogger: thank you and good night, I need  to sleep, will be back tommorow01:58
nixternalkdepim is looking much better now02:01
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nixternaldown to 126 bugs now02:15
nixternaland rising :)02:16
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apacheloggerrevu doesn't like me anymore02:34
apacheloggerbecause I'm uploading too much :(02:34
apacheloggerthinklight doesn't want to get up02:34
apacheloggergotta go to bed02:35
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nixternalhey, we don't preload Konqueror ootb do we?04:30
nixternalI guess we do04:30
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Daskreechdoes anyone know if Konqueror can be spatial?04:36
nixternalKonqueror is special04:36
nixternaldid somebody go through and confirm all of the apport crash bugs for kdelibs?04:39
crimsunDaskreech: I don't believe os04:40
Daskreechcrimsun: yeah someone is asking if you can turn on a mode like that.04:40
crimsunI don't know why someone would want it, but no...04:41
Daskreechstrange how some people keep complaining that KDe has too many options while so many people keep asking for more04:41
Daskreechcrimsun: Me either. It soooo lends it self to practical jokes04:41
crimsuncan't please everyone.04:41
Daskreech*laughs* tell that to Bill04:43
crimsunBill who?04:43
DaskreechGates :)04:44
crimsunhe doesn't actually have very much to do with the strategic direction of the company04:45
nixternalpeople enjoy assigning themselve and freakin' loco teams to damn bug reports04:45
nixternaland have no clue wth is going on04:45
crimsunyay, rich and ubuntu-chicago want alsa* bugs?  Done!04:45
nixternalhell no04:47
crimsuntoo bad.04:47
crimsunyou're on fridge, thus you get bug.  Livewithit.04:47
crimsun:-] 04:47
nixternaldoes the apport bot thing or whatever go through and "Confirm" every apport bug report?04:48
crimsunthe retracer?04:48
nixternalI don't get how all of these bugs are confirmed when all there is, is the traces and nothing else04:48
nixternalya, the retracer04:48
nixternalwhy does it "confirm"?04:49
nixternaljust because the retraces match up?04:49
crimsunyou'll need to see the spec04:49
nixternalI guess so04:49
nixternalok, the spec says nothing about "confirming" though04:53
nixternalahh, so I am guessy the bug bot is buggy...and is assigning loco teams and people who have submitted one bug in their life as the person or people fixing it04:55
nixternalguessy? wth is that....guessing04:55
mhbEvil Bot Ruined Popular Linux Distro04:57
nixternalhey, is the synaptics settings in System Settings installed by default now? Or does it only install when you install ksynaptics or such?05:12
DaskreechAhhh kynaptics... evil E-Vill!!05:19
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nixternalhiya Hobbsee05:22
nixternalwell, kdepim is cleaned out05:24
nixternalkdelibs is an apport mess05:24
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Hobbseenixternal: NICE WORK!!!05:39
nixternalwhy thank you :)05:39
freeflyingDaskreech: hi05:39
=== nixternal is working on meta now
freeflyinghi all05:39
Hobbseehiya freeflying!05:39
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nixternalHobbsee: do you know if ksynaptic/libsynaptics is installed ootb now? i.e. Touchpad config in System Settings05:40
nixternalor is that something I installed and can't grep from the logs05:40
DaskreechHobbsee: aren't they in High KDE4 churn right now?05:40
Hobbseenixternal: it's still in universe05:40
HobbseeDaskreech: pretty much05:41
HobbseeDaskreech: but still fixing bugs05:41
nixternalany plans getting that into main so there is touchpad support ootb in system settings?05:41
Hobbseenixternal: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/kubuntu.gutsy/05:41
Hobbseeer...that's not a bad idea05:42
nixternalit is a wishlist item in lp for over a year now05:42
Hobbseeahh.  i'd forgotten about it05:42
manchickenDoes anybody know if Riddell has been keeping his systemsettings changes in subversion?05:43
nixternalI have it on my laptop, didn't know if I installed it though..guess I did05:43
nixternalnice feature05:43
Hobbseenixternal: it's feasible, anyway, if someone writes the MIR05:43
Hobbseewe've got the cd space, it appears05:43
nixternalmaybe something to look into05:43
nixternalneed to find out if you just need libsynaptics or is system settings utilizing ksynaptics05:43
Hobbseei've no idea :)05:44
nixternalhave to research that and find out05:44
Hobbseei dont end up using it - my touchpad Just Works05:44
Hobbseefabo: is the debian contact05:44
nixternalya, mine too, but then again I rarely use mine, external mouse05:44
manchickenWow, syystemsettings loads KCM modules.05:46
manchickenIt crashes going back to the overview, but still, what a startt.05:46
manchickenRiddell must have been busy.05:47
Hobbseemanchicken: 3 or 4?05:48
Hobbsee3 seems crashy here too05:49
manchickenI haven't done much in gutsy yet.05:50
manchickenMy lappy still needs to be super stable for work.05:50
manchickenBut I suppose I'll settle for Feisty...05:50
manchickenI got that crash to go away, but that's treating the symptom, not the disease.05:58
manchickenThe search bar needs fixing.05:58
Daskreechha ha06:01
ubotudo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo06:01
uboturoot has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:18:2806:02
DaskreechHobbsee: right I forgot you got a new toy :)06:04
ubotuI phear the stick so shhhhh06:04
Hobbseebug 3404106:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 34041 in kdenetwork "Kopete displays the wrong name in conversation windows" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3404106:04
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Hobbseenixternal: have you seen http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/?06:11
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Hobbseeyep :)06:12
HobbseeJucato: are you going to be one of the cool people too?06:13
HobbseeJucato: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/06:13
nixternalI am trying to interprate this06:13
nixternalahh, I see06:14
JucatoI won't bother :)06:14
JucatoHobbsee: I can't be for the next few days...06:14
nixternalnot to shabby..that was a lot of bugs closed06:14
HobbseeJucato: awww  :P06:14
Hobbseenixternal: indeed!06:14
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Jucatoiirc, it worked ootb on Edgy...06:15
nixternalI know I closed quite a bit, and out of all the ones I closed, only one reopened...the rest were commented with "ya I don't have this issue anymore"06:15
JucatoI haven't done bug triaging in months :)06:18
nixternaludev control how usb devices are used? i.e. executing files from a usb drive?06:18
Jucatohm... lunch... bbl06:18
nixternalthey have it under kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-meta, however I can't confirm the issue, yet a bunch of others are reporting the issue06:18
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Hobbseenixternal: no idea, sorry06:50
nixternaltis ok, I changed it to pmount since that is what pmount does, if it isn't pmount, then who ever triages that can change it accordingly :)06:53
nixternalit definitely isn't a meta issue though06:53
DaskreechHobbsee: that's a deceptive graph :)06:59
HobbseeDaskreech: why so?06:59
Hobbseeas long as you understand what it's set out to say...06:59
Hobbseeit doesnt start from 0 bugs, you're right.07:00
DaskreechHobbsee: I was seeing the 30000 bugs from the corner of my eye and thinking My that's a lot of load shedding07:01
Hobbseeit makes me wonder exactly where all those bugs are though07:01
nixternalI didn't know this, but when you install language-support-$cc07:04
nixternalyou get firefox and thunderbird as well07:04
Hobbseei wonder if one could get a list of bugs per source package.  like https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs or something07:04
DaskreechI have a whole heap of gnome stuff on my computer07:04
Daskreech metacity etc07:04
nixternalthe language support package depends on the the mozilla locales packages for the country code, which both depend on firefox and thunderbird instead of suggest07:04
Daskreech noooo clue how it got there :(07:04
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nixternalwould be nice to see what we can implement in gutsy07:26
Hobbseenixternal: search for them - status wishlist, with text of kde07:27
nixternalcan I do "kde" or "kubuntu"?07:27
nixternalhell, I know you can :)07:27
Hobbseeyou'll have to do one at a time07:27
nixternaldon't know why I asked07:27
nixternalyou used to be able to feed it boolean07:28
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Jucatob.k.o doesn't accept search terms below 4 letters. :)07:30
Jucatoso you can't use css, kjs, kde, etc :)07:30
Hobbseebugzilla search is a pain, though07:31
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Hobbseehiya Lure08:07
Hobbseeyay, more bug closings!08:07
=== nixternal is going and going and going and going
Hobbseeyay, nixternal!08:10
=== Hobbsee wants to see 0 bugs nto known about upstream, or without debdiff's, by the end of the day :)
=== Hobbsee thinks nixternal can do it
nixternalit was end of the day an hour and 11 minutes ago08:11
Hobbseethen you've got another ~23 hours08:11
nixternalkubuntu-grub-splashimages had 6 bugs, all the same pretty much...duplicate! down to 1 bug now08:13
nixternalargh, kubuntu-docs has bugs...wth! :)08:13
Hobbseewhat's the bug?08:13
LureHobbsee: hi08:14
nixternalRiddell: you can close one of them by getting the edgy updates in for localisation :)08:14
nixternalLure: I just duped your grub bug that you confirmed over a year ago :)08:14
nixternalI remember the guy who reported it on IRC08:14
nixternalmessing with them silly splash images had my system so hosed08:15
Lurenixternal: I do not even recall it ;-)08:15
Lurenixternal: right, universe package...08:16
nixternalya, I doubt it still works, however nobody has been reporting anything08:16
nixternalwe figured out it was something with the .gz files or what not, and he ended up converting it to something else and it worked08:16
nixternalI remember, he wanted the debian image the most08:16
LureHobbsee: task for your new powers ;-) http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2007/06/free-injections.html08:19
HobbseeLure: fun stuff.  that should be a recommends, nto a depends, iir.c08:20
LureHobbsee: yep, we should do Recommends for most non-essentail packages...08:20
Hobbseeit appears that kubuntu-meta doesnt actually have a bzr version08:22
HobbseeLure: i wonder if Riddell's got some of them kept there for a reason08:24
HobbseeLure: because there's a heck of a lot of packages that that coudl apply to08:24
LureHobbsee: I doubt, as he was changing some others to Recommends on request (for example digikam, kipi-plugins, knetworkmanager...)08:25
Hobbseefair enough08:25
LureHobbsee: but I agree that it may be good to discuss it at least with him if not on kubunut-devel08:25
LureHobbsee: maybe you should suggest a list of "demotions" to Recommends and send it to ML08:25
Hobbseefile a bug about it, and subscribe me, about all the apps that shouldnt be on there?08:25
LureHobbsee: will do08:26
HobbseeLure: http://rafb.net/p/RromAg15.html is the current depends list08:26
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Hobbseeactually, the seeds are in bzr, it's just kubuntu-meta that isnt.08:37
Hobbseehm.  i wonder how these recommends are actually done, per se. i'll have to ask Riddell08:37
LureHobbsee: bug 11946708:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11946708:38
Hobbseek, will look later08:38
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nixternalkdetoys menus are wrong09:25
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nixternalbug 10275009:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102750 in kdetoys "kworldclock in wrong category in xubuntu menu" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10275009:25
nixternalit shouldn't be Games/Toys I don't think09:25
nixternalI just poked ana about the the kdetoys issues, see about getting them fixed there and then merging here09:29
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mhbnixternal: oh my god, just how many bugs did you triage today?11:55
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mhbnixternal: I have got around 50 mails in my recieved mail, all with your name on them... your bug-triaging skills rock!12:01
mhbnixternal: ooh, a hundred (according to your blog) ... I am speechless12:08
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crimsunmhb: yep, it's nice to see him stepping up.12:29
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Hobbseeit's good..but sheesh.01:55
=== Hobbsee was trying hard to get thru the bugmail, and have it in a sane fashion
xerosisif a bug doesn't appear in a later version do i set to 'fix released'?01:57
apacheloggerxerosis: I'd say so01:57
xerosisapachelogger: upstream marked as WORKSFORME01:58
apacheloggeranyone in revu mood?01:58
apacheloggerxerosis: so mark it invalid... or however that is called in LP01:58
xerosisapachelogger: it has been confirmed though01:58
apacheloggerit's getting complicate01:59
xerosisbug #3105501:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 31055 in Ubuntu "Konqueror crash on Real Media streams" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3105501:59
apacheloggerxerosis: has it been confirmed on kubuntu, or on other system as well?01:59
xerosisjust kubuntu afaik01:59
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apacheloggerxerosis: ask for info, whether it still appears on feisty02:00
apacheloggerif not mark as fix released02:00
xerosisapachelogger: well it's fixed in gutsy...02:00
apacheloggerfix released02:01
apacheloggerdoesn't really make any difference whether you close the bug now or when gutsy is out ;-)02:01
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xerosisapachelogger: okay, thanks02:02
xerosisLure_: I was just asking about bug #31055 and i see you were the last commenter...02:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 31055 in Ubuntu "Konqueror crash on Real Media streams" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3105502:03
apacheloggerwtf is up with revu?!02:03
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ktulu77hi there!02:07
ktulu77i would like to contribute  to kubuntu02:08
ktulu77I've just learn Qt, perhaps I can help?02:09
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mhbhello ktulu7702:17
mhbktulu77: you can help in plenty of ways02:17
mhbktulu77: if you want to code applications, then it might be better to join the KDE project itself02:19
Lure_xerosis: I do not recall that bug - I think I was just relaying the fix from goldenear02:20
mhbktulu77: we do documentation, packaging and related stuff02:20
Lure_xerosis: what about it?02:20
xerosisLure_: a crash with real player plugins02:21
xerosisLure_: i was going to mark as fix released02:21
Lure_xerosis: I think this was due to kaffeine used in dapper - we changed to kmplayer for edgy/feisty, but gutsy will have fixed kaffeine again02:21
Lure_xerosis: I think you can02:21
xerosisLure_: I can't reproduce it in gutsy, so it seems it is fixed02:22
mhbktulu77: and of course, we find and triage bugs02:22
Lure_mhb: nixternal has only closed 100 bugs, but have triaged much more than that !02:22
ktulu77mhb but I heard there was developpers in kubuntu02:22
ktulu77and less than for gnome02:22
Hobbseektulu77: sure, but they work on kde stuff02:23
ktulu77so I thought I could help02:23
Lure_xerosis: just put ploite note that they can reopen if they can reproduce with feisty/gutsy02:23
Hobbseeor packaging stuff, ro bugs stuff, etc02:23
xerosisLure_: will do, thanks02:23
ktulu77hmm oky02:23
ktulu77I've installed gutsy with virtual machine02:23
mhbLure_: even better :o)02:24
ktulu77but I don't know how to do02:24
Lure_mhb: nixternal is just unbelivable!02:24
mhbktulu77: you can fix bugs in KDE applications themselves, that involves coding, of course - and you help both kubuntu and kde02:26
mhbktulu77: or you can port applications from the KDE3 bindings to the KDE4 bindings, that is also very helpful02:27
ktulu77mhb: yes02:27
ktulu77why not02:27
ktulu77I don't know how to do tha02:27
ktulu77download the sources?02:28
ktulu77I saw there is a repository for kde4 and ubuntu02:29
mhbktulu77: you can start with compiling the latest kde4 code from svn, I guess02:30
ktulu77on my kubuntu ?02:30
mhbktulu77: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE402:31
mhbktulu77: yes02:31
ktulu77mhb: thanks !02:32
ktulu77it will not break my kubuntu?02:32
mhbktulu77: it should be painless, if you follow the instructions02:32
ktulu77mhb: all right !!02:32
ktulu77mhb: thank you for the link !!02:32
mhbktulu77: there is a lot of useful information for starters at techbase.kde.org02:32
ktulu77it should be amazing02:33
ktulu77mhb: ok i didn't know this link !02:33
mhbktulu77: if you need some more directions, feel free to email to our kubuntu-devel mailing list02:33
ktulu77ok thanks !!02:33
mhbktulu77: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel02:34
xerosiswhen do i mark as 'fix released' and when do i reject?02:34
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ktulu77mhb: i have just subscribed :)02:40
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ktulu77mhb: Are you sure i need to build the svn ? deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main02:42
ktulu77mhb I can't do this : sudo aptitude install libqt4-dev-kdecopy libdbus-1-dev cmake02:44
ktulu77packages conflict :(02:45
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hungerYou did mess again with the dpi settings:-(03:00
Hobbseehunger: ubuntu did03:00
Hobbseewe didnt, afaik03:00
hungerHobbsee: I updated guidance yesterday. I assumed that was the misfit.03:00
hungerI keep setting my resolution and ubuntu messes them up each release:-(03:02
Hobbseecheck the changelog for guidance03:04
hungerHobbsee: displayconfig was changed again.03:05
Hobbseewho by?03:06
Hobbseeoh, i see03:06
Hobbseeask Riddell if it was intentional, i guess.03:06
hungerHobbsee: My display has 120 dpi. I had to live with kubuntu assuming it to be 100 for the last couple of releases, today I am down to 75:-(03:07
Hobbseekubuntu set it at 96, last i knew.  *shrugs*03:07
Hobbseeyou should be able to set it in xorg.conf anyway03:07
hungerHobbsee: That gets overriden too often.03:08
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Hobbseefair enough03:09
hungerHobbsee: And that should either work or it should be configurable in the gui.03:09
Hobbseeactually, i used The Proper Way, and set the horizontal and vertical distances in xorg.conf03:09
Hobbseetrue that.  but you are running a develpment version, where things changes, remember03:09
hungergnome is fine by the way... it has kept the proper (aka. old) resolution.03:10
hungerHobbsee: I know. But I will still bitch about stuff changing in unexpected ways.03:11
Hobbseefair enough.     i'll remember to ignore you next time03:11
hungerHobbsee: Feel free to do so.03:13
xerosisHobbsee: in which situations do you set 'fix released' and which 'rejected'?03:14
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Hobbseexerosis: i tend to hit "fix released" for when upstrema releases a fix, we release a fix, or the bug is reported as fixed with an upgrade.  if it's a pebkac error, or a bad bug, then i'll reject.03:14
Hobbseeie, fix released for "it's a legit bug".  rejected for "this is not a legit bug"03:15
hungerDamn... forcing the dpi to 96dpi in the font config dialog gets ignored as well.03:15
mhbktulu77: it is best for you (as a developer) to compile those libraries yourself03:15
mhbktulu77: those packages are for testing KDE4, but the code changes very often03:16
xerosisHobbsee: ah okay03:16
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Hobbseexerosis: either way, it's fairly moot.  it doesnt show up on bug searches03:16
Hobbseeit's just if people find it again, or if someone does bugstats on "how many were rejected, vs fix released"03:17
xerosisHobbsee: so for a fairly reasonable bug, if it's not present in gutsy, mark as fix released03:17
Hobbseelike i say, it really doenst end up mattering.03:17
Hobbseeor reject.  i dunno.03:17
xerosisi'll find a coin then :p03:18
Hobbseeboth things lead to the same end03:18
jjessenixternal: back in chicago o'hare airport, have i told you i don't like that place?03:19
xerosisalso, is it bad form to triage a bug assigned to someone else?03:20
Hobbseenot really03:20
Hobbseewhat's the status on it?03:20
xerosiserm, let me find it03:20
Hobbseewell, it can be.  depends on the context, and what the bug is03:21
xerosisit was a pretty poor bug with it mentioning a duplicate bug, the assignee had replied, the reporter then changed the duplicate number, the assignee had set another bug a duplicate of this one...03:22
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Hobbseexerosis: just fix it :)03:27
xerosisHobbsee: okay, thanks :)03:27
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hungerHmmm... kdm still uses the same font sizes as always, so does gnome. kde-guidance is disabled during startup, so that can't be the problem either.03:45
hungerAny ideas how to fix the font sizes?03:45
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jjessenothing like spending a saturday morning in an airport/flying03:49
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Hobbseei dont miss jetlag03:53
jjessejet lag has never really affected me03:53
Lure_hunger: the right thing is to fix xorg.conf with DisplaySize03:56
Lure_hunger: I suspect new Xorg does not detect properly your display size03:56
hungerLure_: It does. KDM has the usual font sizes.03:59
hungerLure_: And it is fine in gnome.03:59
Lure_hunger: others are bitching that kdm has wrong fonts :-)03:59
Lure_gnome does not respect dpi at all03:59
ktulu77mhb: ok i will compiule the svn03:59
ktulu77but i can't install libqt4-kdecopy04:00
Lure_gnome always works in 75 this is why it is ok for you04:00
hungerLure_: I can not force the dpi in the kcontrol font applet either.04:00
Lure_hunger: what kind of graphics card do you have04:00
Lure_hunger: you have to fix xorg dpi, not font dpi04:00
hungerLure_: ATI FireGL M24 GL, some mobile graphics adaptor.04:01
Lure_hunger: see hints here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet04:01
hungerLure: It was fine yesterday.04:01
Lure_hunger: similar as mine (FireGL V5000) - also broken with Xorg 7.2 (feisty & gutsy)04:02
Lure_hunger: good news is that new ati driver has fix for this04:02
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hungerI am using the free drivers.04:02
hungerThe ATI drivers keep crashing the box.04:02
Lure_hunger: if you want to try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge04:02
Lure_hunger: this will enter gutsy rsn04:02
Lure_hunger: me to - I hate fglrx04:03
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hungerLure_: I have 92 dpi now, but the fonts have not changed at all:-(04:14
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JucatoTm_T: ping? (please? )06:48
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Hobbseehe did appear for a bit07:47
nixternalheh, afternoon07:47
nixternaljeesh, I slept until 12:30pm07:47
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apacheloggernow I'm sitting here07:48
apacheloggeron my packages07:48
apacheloggerwaiting for revu to love me again :D07:48
apacheloggerwhat a shame07:48
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Hobbseeanywhere is good.07:49
apacheloggeras long as the beer is good :D07:50
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Hobbseeapachelogger: as long as you drink the beer, and dont make me drink it, then it's all good, yes.07:51
apacheloggerHobbsee: you don't like beer? Oo07:52
Hobbseeapachelogger: i dont drink alcohol - dont like the taste07:52
apacheloggerHobbsee: well, after you got enough of it, you don't recognize it anymore ;-)07:53
apacheloggerbut hey, I usually don't drink alcohol either07:53
apacheloggerit's just that I can't upload to revu, so I need something else to do :|07:53
Hobbseeapachelogger: that's true....it'd just be the first few that would be the prblem.  and that leads to a whole lot more other problems07:53
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Hobbseeit's so weird, people telling me what happened that night...and me just going "i dont remember that"07:54
Hobbseeor "oh, i remember that...but i cant remember why that happened" or whatever07:54
Hobbseeand a few bits of "yeah, rubbish.  i know i didnt do that"07:54
Hobbseei suspect alcohol would make that worse.07:55
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apacheloggerHobbsee: oioi07:59
Hobbseeapachelogger: hrm?07:59
apacheloggerHobbsee: sounds kinda weird08:00
apacheloggerwhich reminds me on:08:00
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apacheloggerarrsome song08:00
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xerosisfor a bug with an importance and confirmed but for an older version, do you leave or mark as fixed?09:17
ScottKIf the problem is fixed in a newer version, mark it fix released.09:18
xerosisScottK: thanks09:18
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siretartapachelogger: sorry?11:14
apacheloggersiretart: my uploads in revu got stuck in rejected11:15
apacheloggerHobbsee already tried to fix it, though it didn't work out11:16
apacheloggersiretart: would be really nice if you could have a look at it :)11:16
crimsuneither needed a mv or a straight rm11:16
crimsunI don't have privileges to do that on tiber.11:16
siretartcrimsun: we can change that ;)11:20
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siretartoh damn11:21
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siretartthe keyring sync script has problems11:29
crimsunis it the script itself or just the archive?11:29
crimsunI've been having connectivity issues to the Canonical IPs for a couple days now11:30
crimsunthree different homed hosts, so it shouldn't be my ends...11:30
siretartcrimsun: seem to be several problems here11:33
siretartcrimsun: the most obvious is the limited connectivity on tiber. we have about 20k/s bandwith available, and I have no idea why11:34
crimsunsiretart: right, it seems hard-shaped too.  I didn't attempt to list any netfilter rules since I didn't/don't have privs, but it certainly seemed capped on the provider side11:34
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giangyapachelogger: are you there?11:47
apacheloggerahoy giangy11:47
giangyahoy :)11:47
giangycan you try to do one test, please?11:47
giangySteps to Reproduce:11:47
giangy1. right click menu -> internet -> Firefox Web Browser11:47
giangy2. select 'add to main panel'11:47
giangy3. right click firefox icon on the panel,  select 'Configure firefox web browser button'11:47
giangy4. switch to the application tab11:47
giangy5. click advanced options button11:48
giangy6. unselect 'enable launch feedback'11:48
giangy7. click 'OK', 'OK'11:48
giangythe firefox icon disappears...11:48
giangy(the same thing happened with others apps)11:48
giangyyou reproduced this?11:49
fdovingwhat rightclick menu?11:49
giangyfdoving: on the task bar11:50
fdovinggiangy: ah, reproduced.11:50
giangysounds strange.. (but the problem, if is it.. seems upstream)11:51
fdovinggiangy: so, you want to know why the icon disappears?11:51
giangyfdoving: yep..11:51
giangyif it's normal, well..sorry for the mistake =)11:51
fdovingbecause the .desktop file is modified, copied and modified.11:52
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fdovingonce you edit anything the copy is made.11:52
apacheloggerfdoving is right11:52
apacheloggersomehow the icon value doesn't get copied11:52
apachelogger~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/firefox.desktop or something11:53
apacheloggerdoesn't have a icon property11:53
giangymh, okey11:54
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apacheloggerthe icon value doesn't get saved - correct word usage :D11:54
apacheloggersiretart: everything works as expected again?11:58
giangyfdoving: adding "Icon=firefox" into mozilla-firefox.desktop seems to work..12:01
fdovinggiangy: yep, need to make kicker do that itself.12:02
giangyfdoving: can I file a bug upstream?12:02
siretartapachelogger: I need to contact the guys at serverpronto.12:03
siretartapachelogger: I don't think I'll catch them before monday, sorry12:03
fdovinggiangy: please do. don't expect it to be fixed in 3.5.x though.12:03
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siretartapachelogger: but I resynced the keyring manually and reprocessed all uploads12:03
apacheloggermy HD will explode12:03
apacheloggersiretart: k, thx12:03
giangyfdoving: understand :-). thanks anyway.12:03
siretartapachelogger: you check if it has been accepted12:03
giangyapachelogger: thanks to you too :)12:03
apacheloggergiangy: yw12:04
fdovinggiangy: reporting it might help getting it fixed  in kde 4, if the issue is still there.12:04
apacheloggersiretart: just got mails12:04
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apacheloggersiretart: can I do some uploads?12:04
siretartapachelogger: should work12:05
=== apachelogger tries
siretartgood night!12:05
apacheloggersiretart: nini, and thanks :)12:05

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