[12:32] <manchicken> Okay, why the hell in 3.5.7 does switching from one desktop to another using hotkeys stick so much?
[12:32] <manchicken> This is just getting irritating...
[12:48] <manchicken> Wow, quanta+ is very unstable.
[12:54] <RadiantFire> whats it doing?
[12:58] <manchicken> Crashing.
[12:58] <crimsun> wobbling.
[01:01] <manchicken> All I want is a more GUI-ified emacs...
[01:03] <crimsun> emacs in a Konsole doesn't suffice? ;)
[01:05] <apachelogger> anyone with kubuntu running thinkpad around?
[01:07] <lucky_lucas> me
[01:07] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger:
[01:07] <apachelogger> oh
[01:07] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: can try a kopete plugin for me?
[01:07] <lucky_lucas> for sure
[01:07] <lucky_lucas> kopete / kde 4 ?
[01:07] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kopete-thinklight/kopete-thinklight_0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:08] <apachelogger> kopete from kde3
[01:08] <lucky_lucas> cool
[01:08] <lucky_lucas> and if it works, I would be very pleased to keep it
[01:08] <apachelogger> the plugin should be able to use your flash light on incoming messages
[01:08] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: of course can keep it :D
[01:08] <lucky_lucas> i know it was the only thing is miss from gaim
[01:09] <apachelogger> that's how I like it, make everyone happy ^_^
[01:09] <manchicken> crimsun: Not for everything.
[01:09] <lucky_lucas> dpkg
[01:09] <lucky_lucas> ..
[01:10] <lucky_lucas> a friend just send me a message but nothing happens
[01:10] <lucky_lucas> I should activate it ^  ^
[01:10] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: ye activated it?
[01:10] <apachelogger> lol
[01:12] <lucky_lucas> Me can't figure out how plugins configuration is done in kopete (shame on beers)
[01:13] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger:
[01:13] <apachelogger> now if I had an english kopete :D
[01:13] <apachelogger> sec
[01:13] <apachelogger> KDE_LANG=en_US
[01:13] <apachelogger> muahaha
[01:13] <apachelogger> settings -> configure plugins
[01:13] <lucky_lucas> can try in french if you want
[01:14] <lucky_lucas> me can't figure out where is configure plugins...
[01:15] <lucky_lucas> just have configure
[01:15] <lucky_lucas> configure shortcuts
[01:15] <lucky_lucas> and configure tool bar
[01:15] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: got a plug as icon
[01:15] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp047.png
[01:16] <lucky_lucas> don't have such options ?
[01:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:16] <apachelogger> *wonder*
[01:16] <lucky_lucas> do you have the normal kde 3  kopete ?
[01:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:17] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: you got the configure shortcuts menu?
[01:17] <lucky_lucas> yes
[01:17] <lucky_lucas> but not the global shortcuts
[01:17] <lucky_lucas> neither notifications
[01:18] <apachelogger> something's wrong with your kopete :P
[01:18] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: go to configure shortcuts
[01:18] <apachelogger> ans search for plugins
[01:20] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: are you in the settings menu of the kopete main widow, or a chat window's?
[01:20] <lucky_lucas> main window i guess
[01:20] <lucky_lucas> shame on me, was the window,.........
[01:20] <apachelogger> omg
[01:20] <apachelogger> :D
[01:20] <lucky_lucas> chat window
[01:21] <lucky_lucas> sorry i just come back from outise and had a few beers
[01:21] <lucky_lucas> it one o clock here
[01:21] <apachelogger> ^_^
[01:21] <apachelogger> almost halfpast 2 it is
[01:23] <lucky_lucas> i have a warning, this device file is not writable talking a bout /proc/... light
[01:23] <lucky_lucas> I guess, i should put it as 777
[01:24] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: what file?
[01:24] <lucky_lucas>  /proc/acpi/ibm/light
[01:24] <apachelogger> don't get /proc/* permission lost on reboot?
[01:24] <lucky_lucas> that0s the file, i m setting it 777
[01:24] <lucky_lucas> and i tell
[01:24] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:25] <lucky_lucas> not necessary
[01:25] <lucky_lucas> waitinit works
[01:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:26] <apachelogger> but how does a user know what to do when this message pops up?
[01:26] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: ever used the gaim thinklight?
[01:26] <lucky_lucas> yes
[01:27] <lucky_lucas> I know it because i know pretty well apci function of it
[01:27] <lucky_lucas> but for instance it just writes the file blabla is not writeable
[01:28] <lucky_lucas> I don't know if it's enough feedback for you
[01:28] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: yeah, at least I know it works :)
[01:29] <lucky_lucas> thank you i keep it
[01:29] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:29] <lucky_lucas> it's a good tool don't mess to port it on kopete / kde 4
[01:29] <apachelogger> gotta talk to upstream about some sudo magic for permission
[01:29] <lucky_lucas> yeah
[01:29] <lucky_lucas> nice tool anyway
[01:30] <lucky_lucas> just add a init file in the deb
[01:30] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: init file?
[01:30] <apachelogger> oh
[01:30] <apachelogger> good idea
[01:30] <lucky_lucas> copy a script that set the light to 777 in init.d
[01:31] <lucky_lucas> that's the only time you hace a "pervasive " access to sudo
[01:33] <lucky_lucas> me proud to help the kopete-thinklight devs .....
[01:34] <lucky_lucas> I sais i'm lucky, Jjust open the notebook and someone comes with bleeding edge technos for me.
[01:37] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger: What philantropics ideas push you to develop packages for thinkpad, as you don't seem to own one
[01:37] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: I didn't develop that one
[01:37] <apachelogger> just package :P
[01:37] <apachelogger> and I package right now everything packagable
[01:40] <lucky_lucas> hey cool
[01:40] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger: You made me happy I'll sleep well tonight
[01:42] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: hehe :)
[01:42] <lucky_lucas> A thing i want to test, what happens if  I use it with the light on
[01:45] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger: The plugins rocks, it even works when I have the light on before the message comes in and it let the light on
[01:45] <lucky_lucas> after the blink
[01:46] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger: thank you, is it available for gutsy or in feisty ?
[01:48] <apachelogger> lucky_lucas: will be available in gutsy
[01:48] <apachelogger> not yet in the repos though
[01:49] <lucky_lucas> ok, but since i have it know, I don't really care ^^
[01:49] <lucky_lucas> -know + now
[01:49] <apachelogger> ^^
[01:58] <lucky_lucas> apachelogger: thank you and good night, I need  to sleep, will be back tommorow
[02:01] <nixternal> kdepim is looking much better now
[02:15] <nixternal> down to 126 bugs now
[02:16] <nixternal> and rising :)
[02:34] <apachelogger> omg
[02:34] <apachelogger> revu doesn't like me anymore
[02:34] <apachelogger> because I'm uploading too much :(
[02:34] <apachelogger> thinklight doesn't want to get up
[02:35] <apachelogger> hm
[02:35] <apachelogger> gotta go to bed
[02:35] <apachelogger> nini
[04:30] <nixternal> hey, we don't preload Konqueror ootb do we?
[04:30] <nixternal> I guess we do
[04:36] <Daskreech> does anyone know if Konqueror can be spatial?
[04:36] <nixternal> Konqueror is special
[04:39] <nixternal> did somebody go through and confirm all of the apport crash bugs for kdelibs?
[04:40] <crimsun> Daskreech: I don't believe os
[04:40] <crimsun> *so
[04:40] <Daskreech> crimsun: yeah someone is asking if you can turn on a mode like that.
[04:41] <crimsun> I don't know why someone would want it, but no...
[04:41] <Daskreech> strange how some people keep complaining that KDe has too many options while so many people keep asking for more
[04:41] <Daskreech> crimsun: Me either. It soooo lends it self to practical jokes
[04:41] <crimsun> can't please everyone.
[04:43] <Daskreech> *laughs* tell that to Bill
[04:43] <crimsun> Bill who?
[04:44] <Daskreech> Gates :)
[04:45] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:45] <crimsun> he doesn't actually have very much to do with the strategic direction of the company
[04:45] <nixternal> people enjoy assigning themselve and freakin' loco teams to damn bug reports
[04:45] <nixternal> and have no clue wth is going on
[04:45] <crimsun> yay, rich and ubuntu-chicago want alsa* bugs?  Done!
[04:47] <nixternal> hell no
[04:47] <crimsun> too bad.
[04:47] <crimsun> you're on fridge, thus you get bug.  Livewithit.
[04:47] <crimsun> :-] 
[04:48] <nixternal> does the apport bot thing or whatever go through and "Confirm" every apport bug report?
[04:48] <crimsun> the retracer?
[04:48] <nixternal> I don't get how all of these bugs are confirmed when all there is, is the traces and nothing else
[04:48] <nixternal> ya, the retracer
[04:49] <crimsun> yep
[04:49] <nixternal> why does it "confirm"?
[04:49] <nixternal> just because the retraces match up?
[04:49] <crimsun> you'll need to see the spec
[04:49] <nixternal> I guess so
[04:53] <nixternal> ok, the spec says nothing about "confirming" though
[04:55] <nixternal> ahh, so I am guessy the bug bot is buggy...and is assigning loco teams and people who have submitted one bug in their life as the person or people fixing it
[04:55] <nixternal> guessy? wth is that....guessing
[04:57] <mhb> Evil Bot Ruined Popular Linux Distro
[05:10] <nixternal> hehe
[05:12] <nixternal> hey, is the synaptics settings in System Settings installed by default now? Or does it only install when you install ksynaptics or such?
[05:19] <Daskreech> Ahhh kynaptics... evil E-Vill!!
[05:22] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:23] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:24] <nixternal> well, kdepim is cleaned out
[05:24] <nixternal> kdelibs is an apport mess
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: NICE WORK!!!
[05:39] <nixternal> why thank you :)
[05:39] <freeflying> Daskreech: hi
[05:39] <freeflying> hi all
[05:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hiya freeflying!
[05:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: do you know if ksynaptic/libsynaptics is installed ootb now? i.e. Touchpad config in System Settings
[05:40] <nixternal> or is that something I installed and can't grep from the logs
[05:40] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: aren't they in High KDE4 churn right now?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's still in universe
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: pretty much
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: but still fixing bugs
[05:41] <nixternal> any plans getting that into main so there is touchpad support ootb in system settings?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/kubuntu.gutsy/
[05:42] <Hobbsee> er...that's not a bad idea
[05:42] <nixternal> it is a wishlist item in lp for over a year now
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ahh.  i'd forgotten about it
[05:43] <manchicken> Does anybody know if Riddell has been keeping his systemsettings changes in subversion?
[05:43] <nixternal> I have it on my laptop, didn't know if I installed it though..guess I did
[05:43] <nixternal> nice feature
[05:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's feasible, anyway, if someone writes the MIR
[05:43] <Hobbsee> we've got the cd space, it appears
[05:43] <nixternal> maybe something to look into
[05:43] <nixternal> need to find out if you just need libsynaptics or is system settings utilizing ksynaptics
[05:44] <Hobbsee> i've no idea :)
[05:44] <nixternal> have to research that and find out
[05:44] <Hobbsee> i dont end up using it - my touchpad Just Works
[05:44] <Hobbsee> fabo: is the debian contact
[05:44] <nixternal> ya, mine too, but then again I rarely use mine, external mouse
[05:46] <manchicken> Wow, syystemsettings loads KCM modules.
[05:46] <manchicken> It crashes going back to the overview, but still, what a startt.
[05:47] <manchicken> Riddell must have been busy.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: 3 or 4?
[05:48] <manchicken> 4
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:49] <Hobbsee> 3 seems crashy here too
[05:50] <manchicken> I haven't done much in gutsy yet.
[05:50] <manchicken> My lappy still needs to be super stable for work.
[05:50] <manchicken> But I suppose I'll settle for Feisty...
[05:50] <manchicken> :)
[05:58] <manchicken> I got that crash to go away, but that's treating the symptom, not the disease.
[05:58] <manchicken> The search bar needs fixing.
[06:01] <Daskreech> ha ha
[06:01] <Daskreech> !root
[06:01] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:02] <Hobbsee> !-root
[06:02] <ubotu> root has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:18:28
[06:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:04] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: right I forgot you got a new toy :)
[06:04] <Daskreech> !hobbsee
[06:04] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[06:04] <Hobbsee> bug 34041
[06:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34041 in kdenetwork "Kopete displays the wrong name in conversation windows" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34041
[06:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: have you seen http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/?
[06:12] <nixternal> nope
[06:12] <nixternal> interesting
[06:12] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: are you going to be one of the cool people too?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[06:13] <nixternal> I am trying to interprate this
[06:14] <nixternal> ahh, I see
[06:14] <Jucato> I won't bother :)
[06:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I can't be for the next few days...
[06:14] <nixternal> not to shabby..that was a lot of bugs closed
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: awww  :P
[06:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: indeed!
[06:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:15] <Jucato> iirc, it worked ootb on Edgy...
[06:15] <nixternal> I know I closed quite a bit, and out of all the ones I closed, only one reopened...the rest were commented with "ya I don't have this issue anymore"
[06:18] <Jucato> I haven't done bug triaging in months :)
[06:18] <nixternal> udev control how usb devices are used? i.e. executing files from a usb drive?
[06:18] <Jucato> hm... lunch... bbl
[06:18] <nixternal> they have it under kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-meta, however I can't confirm the issue, yet a bunch of others are reporting the issue
[06:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no idea, sorry
[06:53] <nixternal> tis ok, I changed it to pmount since that is what pmount does, if it isn't pmount, then who ever triages that can change it accordingly :)
[06:53] <nixternal> it definitely isn't a meta issue though
[06:53] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:59] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: that's a deceptive graph :)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: why so?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> as long as you understand what it's set out to say...
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it doesnt start from 0 bugs, you're right.
[07:01] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: I was seeing the 30000 bugs from the corner of my eye and thinking My that's a lot of load shedding
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:01] <Hobbsee> it makes me wonder exactly where all those bugs are though
[07:03] <nixternal> wow
[07:04] <nixternal> I didn't know this, but when you install language-support-$cc
[07:04] <nixternal> you get firefox and thunderbird as well
[07:04] <Hobbsee> i wonder if one could get a list of bugs per source package.  like https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs or something
[07:04] <Daskreech> I have a whole heap of gnome stuff on my computer
[07:04] <Daskreech>  metacity etc
[07:04] <nixternal> the language support package depends on the the mozilla locales packages for the country code, which both depend on firefox and thunderbird instead of suggest
[07:04] <Daskreech>  noooo clue how it got there :(
[07:26] <nixternal> would be nice to see what we can implement in gutsy
[07:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: search for them - status wishlist, with text of kde
[07:27] <nixternal> can I do "kde" or "kubuntu"?
[07:27] <nixternal> hell, I know you can :)
[07:27] <Hobbsee> you'll have to do one at a time
[07:27] <nixternal> don't know why I asked
[07:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:28] <nixternal> you used to be able to feed it boolean
[07:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:30] <Jucato> b.k.o doesn't accept search terms below 4 letters. :)
[07:30] <Jucato> so you can't use css, kjs, kde, etc :)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> bugzilla search is a pain, though
[08:07] <Hobbsee> hiya Lure
[08:07] <Hobbsee> yay, more bug closings!
[08:09] <nixternal> hehe
[08:10] <Hobbsee> yay, nixternal!
[08:11] <nixternal> hehe
[08:11] <nixternal> it was end of the day an hour and 11 minutes ago
[08:11] <Hobbsee> then you've got another ~23 hours
[08:13] <nixternal> kubuntu-grub-splashimages had 6 bugs, all the same pretty much...duplicate! down to 1 bug now
[08:13] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:13] <nixternal> argh, kubuntu-docs has bugs...wth! :)
[08:13] <Hobbsee> what's the bug?
[08:14] <Lure> Hobbsee: hi
[08:14] <nixternal> Riddell: you can close one of them by getting the edgy updates in for localisation :)
[08:14] <nixternal> Lure: I just duped your grub bug that you confirmed over a year ago :)
[08:14] <nixternal> I remember the guy who reported it on IRC
[08:15] <nixternal> messing with them silly splash images had my system so hosed
[08:15] <Lure> nixternal: I do not even recall it ;-)
[08:16] <Lure> nixternal: right, universe package...
[08:16] <nixternal> ya, I doubt it still works, however nobody has been reporting anything
[08:16] <nixternal> we figured out it was something with the .gz files or what not, and he ended up converting it to something else and it worked
[08:16] <nixternal> I remember, he wanted the debian image the most
[08:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: task for your new powers ;-) http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2007/06/free-injections.html
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: fun stuff.  that should be a recommends, nto a depends, iir.c
[08:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, we should do Recommends for most non-essentail packages...
[08:22] <Hobbsee> it appears that kubuntu-meta doesnt actually have a bzr version
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: i wonder if Riddell's got some of them kept there for a reason
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: because there's a heck of a lot of packages that that coudl apply to
[08:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: I doubt, as he was changing some others to Recommends on request (for example digikam, kipi-plugins, knetworkmanager...)
[08:25] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[08:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: but I agree that it may be good to discuss it at least with him if not on kubunut-devel
[08:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: maybe you should suggest a list of "demotions" to Recommends and send it to ML
[08:25] <Hobbsee> file a bug about it, and subscribe me, about all the apps that shouldnt be on there?
[08:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: will do
[08:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: http://rafb.net/p/RromAg15.html is the current depends list
[08:37] <Hobbsee> actually, the seeds are in bzr, it's just kubuntu-meta that isnt.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hm.  i wonder how these recommends are actually done, per se. i'll have to ask Riddell
[08:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: bug 119467
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119467
[08:38] <Hobbsee> k, will look later
[09:25] <nixternal> kdetoys menus are wrong
[09:25] <nixternal> bug 102750
[09:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102750 in kdetoys "kworldclock in wrong category in xubuntu menu" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102750
[09:25] <nixternal> it shouldn't be Games/Toys I don't think
[09:29] <nixternal> I just poked ana about the the kdetoys issues, see about getting them fixed there and then merging here
[09:31] <nixternal> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/?
[09:31] <nixternal> wo0t
[11:55] <mhb> nixternal: oh my god, just how many bugs did you triage today?
[12:01] <mhb> nixternal: I have got around 50 mails in my recieved mail, all with your name on them... your bug-triaging skills rock!
[12:08] <mhb> nixternal: ooh, a hundred (according to your blog) ... I am speechless
[12:29] <crimsun> mhb: yep, it's nice to see him stepping up.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal!!!
[01:55] <apachelogger> lol
[01:55] <Hobbsee> it's good..but sheesh.
[01:57] <xerosis> if a bug doesn't appear in a later version do i set to 'fix released'?
[01:57] <apachelogger> xerosis: I'd say so
[01:58] <xerosis> apachelogger: upstream marked as WORKSFORME
[01:58] <apachelogger> anyone in revu mood?
[01:58] <apachelogger> xerosis: so mark it invalid... or however that is called in LP
[01:58] <xerosis> apachelogger: it has been confirmed though
[01:59] <apachelogger> hm
[01:59] <apachelogger> it's getting complicate
[01:59] <xerosis> bug #31055
[01:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 31055 in Ubuntu "Konqueror crash on Real Media streams" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/31055
[01:59] <apachelogger> xerosis: has it been confirmed on kubuntu, or on other system as well?
[01:59] <xerosis> just kubuntu afaik
[02:00] <apachelogger> hm
[02:00] <apachelogger> xerosis: ask for info, whether it still appears on feisty
[02:00] <apachelogger> if not mark as fix released
[02:00] <xerosis> apachelogger: well it's fixed in gutsy...
[02:01] <apachelogger> fix released
[02:01] <apachelogger> doesn't really make any difference whether you close the bug now or when gutsy is out ;-)
[02:02] <xerosis> apachelogger: okay, thanks
[02:03] <xerosis> Lure_: I was just asking about bug #31055 and i see you were the last commenter...
[02:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 31055 in Ubuntu "Konqueror crash on Real Media streams" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/31055
[02:03] <apachelogger> uhm
[02:03] <apachelogger> wtf is up with revu?!
[02:07] <ktulu77> hi there!
[02:08] <ktulu77> i would like to contribute  to kubuntu
[02:09] <ktulu77> I've just learn Qt, perhaps I can help?
[02:17] <mhb> hello ktulu77
[02:17] <mhb> ktulu77: you can help in plenty of ways
[02:19] <mhb> ktulu77: if you want to code applications, then it might be better to join the KDE project itself
[02:20] <Lure_> xerosis: I do not recall that bug - I think I was just relaying the fix from goldenear
[02:20] <mhb> ktulu77: we do documentation, packaging and related stuff
[02:20] <Lure_> xerosis: what about it?
[02:21] <xerosis> Lure_: a crash with real player plugins
[02:21] <xerosis> Lure_: i was going to mark as fix released
[02:21] <Lure_> xerosis: I think this was due to kaffeine used in dapper - we changed to kmplayer for edgy/feisty, but gutsy will have fixed kaffeine again
[02:21] <Lure_> xerosis: I think you can
[02:22] <xerosis> Lure_: I can't reproduce it in gutsy, so it seems it is fixed
[02:22] <mhb> ktulu77: and of course, we find and triage bugs
[02:22] <Lure_> mhb: nixternal has only closed 100 bugs, but have triaged much more than that !
[02:22] <ktulu77> mhb but I heard there was developpers in kubuntu
[02:22] <ktulu77> and less than for gnome
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ktulu77: sure, but they work on kde stuff
[02:23] <ktulu77> so I thought I could help
[02:23] <Lure_> xerosis: just put ploite note that they can reopen if they can reproduce with feisty/gutsy
[02:23] <Hobbsee> or packaging stuff, ro bugs stuff, etc
[02:23] <xerosis> Lure_: will do, thanks
[02:23] <ktulu77> hmm oky
[02:23] <ktulu77> I've installed gutsy with virtual machine
[02:24] <mhb> Lure_: even better :o)
[02:24] <ktulu77> but I don't know how to do
[02:24] <Lure_> mhb: nixternal is just unbelivable!
[02:26] <mhb> ktulu77: you can fix bugs in KDE applications themselves, that involves coding, of course - and you help both kubuntu and kde
[02:27] <mhb> ktulu77: or you can port applications from the KDE3 bindings to the KDE4 bindings, that is also very helpful
[02:27] <ktulu77> mhb: yes
[02:27] <ktulu77> why not
[02:27] <ktulu77> I don't know how to do tha
[02:28] <ktulu77> that
[02:28] <ktulu77> download the sources?
[02:29] <ktulu77> I saw there is a repository for kde4 and ubuntu
[02:30] <mhb> ktulu77: you can start with compiling the latest kde4 code from svn, I guess
[02:30] <ktulu77> on my kubuntu ?
[02:31] <mhb> ktulu77: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[02:31] <mhb> ktulu77: yes
[02:32] <ktulu77> mhb: thanks !
[02:32] <ktulu77> it will not break my kubuntu?
[02:32] <mhb> ktulu77: it should be painless, if you follow the instructions
[02:32] <ktulu77> mhb: all right !!
[02:32] <ktulu77> mhb: thank you for the link !!
[02:32] <mhb> ktulu77: there is a lot of useful information for starters at techbase.kde.org
[02:33] <ktulu77> it should be amazing
[02:33] <ktulu77> mhb: ok i didn't know this link !
[02:33] <mhb> ktulu77: if you need some more directions, feel free to email to our kubuntu-devel mailing list
[02:33] <ktulu77> ok thanks !!
[02:34] <mhb> ktulu77: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[02:34] <xerosis> when do i mark as 'fix released' and when do i reject?
[02:40] <ktulu77> mhb: i have just subscribed :)
[02:42] <ktulu77> mhb: Are you sure i need to build the svn ? deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main
[02:44] <ktulu77> mhb I can't do this : sudo aptitude install libqt4-dev-kdecopy libdbus-1-dev cmake
[02:45] <ktulu77> packages conflict :(
[03:00] <hunger> You did mess again with the dpi settings:-(
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hunger: ubuntu did
[03:00] <Hobbsee> we didnt, afaik
[03:00] <hunger> Hobbsee: I updated guidance yesterday. I assumed that was the misfit.
[03:02] <hunger> I keep setting my resolution and ubuntu messes them up each release:-(
[03:04] <Hobbsee> check the changelog for guidance
[03:05] <hunger> Hobbsee: displayconfig was changed again.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> who by?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> oh, i see
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ask Riddell if it was intentional, i guess.
[03:07] <hunger> Hobbsee: My display has 120 dpi. I had to live with kubuntu assuming it to be 100 for the last couple of releases, today I am down to 75:-(
[03:07] <Hobbsee> kubuntu set it at 96, last i knew.  *shrugs*
[03:07] <Hobbsee> you should be able to set it in xorg.conf anyway
[03:08] <hunger> Hobbsee: That gets overriden too often.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:09] <hunger> Hobbsee: And that should either work or it should be configurable in the gui.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> actually, i used The Proper Way, and set the horizontal and vertical distances in xorg.conf
[03:09] <Hobbsee> true that.  but you are running a develpment version, where things changes, remember
[03:10] <hunger> gnome is fine by the way... it has kept the proper (aka. old) resolution.
[03:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: I know. But I will still bitch about stuff changing in unexpected ways.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> fair enough.     i'll remember to ignore you next time
[03:13] <hunger> Hobbsee: Feel free to do so.
[03:14] <xerosis> Hobbsee: in which situations do you set 'fix released' and which 'rejected'?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i tend to hit "fix released" for when upstrema releases a fix, we release a fix, or the bug is reported as fixed with an upgrade.  if it's a pebkac error, or a bad bug, then i'll reject.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ie, fix released for "it's a legit bug".  rejected for "this is not a legit bug"
[03:15] <hunger> Damn... forcing the dpi to 96dpi in the font config dialog gets ignored as well.
[03:15] <mhb> ktulu77: it is best for you (as a developer) to compile those libraries yourself
[03:16] <mhb> ktulu77: those packages are for testing KDE4, but the code changes very often
[03:16] <xerosis> Hobbsee: ah okay
[03:16] <Hobbsee> xerosis: either way, it's fairly moot.  it doesnt show up on bug searches
[03:17] <Hobbsee> it's just if people find it again, or if someone does bugstats on "how many were rejected, vs fix released"
[03:17] <xerosis> Hobbsee: so for a fairly reasonable bug, if it's not present in gutsy, mark as fix released
[03:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:17] <Hobbsee> like i say, it really doenst end up mattering.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> or reject.  i dunno.
[03:18] <xerosis> i'll find a coin then :p
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:18] <Hobbsee> both things lead to the same end
[03:19] <jjesse> nixternal: back in chicago o'hare airport, have i told you i don't like that place?
[03:20] <xerosis> also, is it bad form to triage a bug assigned to someone else?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> not really
[03:20] <Hobbsee> what's the status on it?
[03:20] <xerosis> erm, let me find it
[03:21] <Hobbsee> well, it can be.  depends on the context, and what the bug is
[03:22] <xerosis> it was a pretty poor bug with it mentioning a duplicate bug, the assignee had replied, the reporter then changed the duplicate number, the assignee had set another bug a duplicate of this one...
[03:27] <Hobbsee> xerosis: just fix it :)
[03:27] <xerosis> Hobbsee: okay, thanks :)
[03:45] <hunger> Hmmm... kdm still uses the same font sizes as always, so does gnome. kde-guidance is disabled during startup, so that can't be the problem either.
[03:45] <hunger> Any ideas how to fix the font sizes?
[03:49] <jjesse> morning
[03:49] <jjesse> nothing like spending a saturday morning in an airport/flying
[03:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:49] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i dont miss jetlag
[03:53] <jjesse> jet lag has never really affected me
[03:56] <Lure_> hunger: the right thing is to fix xorg.conf with DisplaySize
[03:56] <Lure_> hunger: I suspect new Xorg does not detect properly your display size
[03:59] <hunger> Lure_: It does. KDM has the usual font sizes.
[03:59] <hunger> Lure_: And it is fine in gnome.
[03:59] <Lure_> hunger: others are bitching that kdm has wrong fonts :-)
[03:59] <Lure_> gnome does not respect dpi at all
[03:59] <ktulu77> mhb: ok i will compiule the svn
[04:00] <ktulu77> but i can't install libqt4-kdecopy
[04:00] <ktulu77> dev
[04:00] <Lure_> gnome always works in 75 this is why it is ok for you
[04:00] <hunger> Lure_: I can not force the dpi in the kcontrol font applet either.
[04:00] <Lure_> hunger: what kind of graphics card do you have
[04:00] <Lure_> hunger: you have to fix xorg dpi, not font dpi
[04:01] <hunger> Lure_: ATI FireGL M24 GL, some mobile graphics adaptor.
[04:01] <Lure_> hunger: see hints here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet
[04:01] <hunger> Lure: It was fine yesterday.
[04:02] <Lure_> hunger: similar as mine (FireGL V5000) - also broken with Xorg 7.2 (feisty & gutsy)
[04:02] <Lure_> hunger: good news is that new ati driver has fix for this
[04:02] <hunger> I am using the free drivers.
[04:02] <hunger> The ATI drivers keep crashing the box.
[04:02] <Lure_> hunger: if you want to try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge
[04:02] <Lure_> hunger: this will enter gutsy rsn
[04:03] <Lure_> hunger: me to - I hate fglrx
[04:14] <hunger> Lure_: I have 92 dpi now, but the fonts have not changed at all:-(
[06:48] <Jucato> Tm_T: ping? (please? )
[07:46] <apachelogger> :S
[07:47] <Hobbsee> he did appear for a bit
[07:47] <nixternal> heh, afternoon
[07:47] <nixternal> jeesh, I slept until 12:30pm
[07:47] <nixternal> crazy
[07:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:47] <apachelogger> hm
[07:48] <apachelogger> so
[07:48] <apachelogger> now I'm sitting here
[07:48] <apachelogger> on my packages
[07:48] <apachelogger> waiting for revu to love me again :D
[07:48] <apachelogger> what a shame
[07:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:49] <Hobbsee> anywhere is good.
[07:50] <apachelogger> as long as the beer is good :D
[07:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: as long as you drink the beer, and dont make me drink it, then it's all good, yes.
[07:52] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: you don't like beer? Oo
[07:52] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i dont drink alcohol - dont like the taste
[07:53] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: well, after you got enough of it, you don't recognize it anymore ;-)
[07:53] <apachelogger> but hey, I usually don't drink alcohol either
[07:53] <apachelogger> it's just that I can't upload to revu, so I need something else to do :|
[07:53] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: that's true....it'd just be the first few that would be the prblem.  and that leads to a whole lot more other problems
[07:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:54] <apachelogger> ^_^
[07:54] <Hobbsee> it's so weird, people telling me what happened that night...and me just going "i dont remember that"
[07:54] <Hobbsee> or "oh, i remember that...but i cant remember why that happened" or whatever
[07:54] <Hobbsee> and a few bits of "yeah, rubbish.  i know i didnt do that"
[07:55] <Hobbsee> i suspect alcohol would make that worse.
[07:59] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: oioi
[07:59] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: hrm?
[08:00] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: sounds kinda weird
[08:00] <apachelogger> which reminds me on:
[08:00] <apachelogger> arrsome song
[09:17] <xerosis> for a bug with an importance and confirmed but for an older version, do you leave or mark as fixed?
[09:18] <ScottK> If the problem is fixed in a newer version, mark it fix released.
[09:18] <xerosis> ScottK: thanks
[10:37] <jjesse> hello
[11:14] <siretart> apachelogger: sorry?
[11:15] <apachelogger> siretart: my uploads in revu got stuck in rejected
[11:16] <apachelogger> Hobbsee already tried to fix it, though it didn't work out
[11:16] <apachelogger> siretart: would be really nice if you could have a look at it :)
[11:16] <crimsun> either needed a mv or a straight rm
[11:16] <crimsun> I don't have privileges to do that on tiber.
[11:20] <siretart> crimsun: we can change that ;)
[11:21] <siretart> oh damn
[11:29] <siretart> the keyring sync script has problems
[11:29] <crimsun> is it the script itself or just the archive?
[11:30] <crimsun> I've been having connectivity issues to the Canonical IPs for a couple days now
[11:30] <crimsun> three different homed hosts, so it shouldn't be my ends...
[11:30] <nn-gentoo_> hi
[11:33] <siretart> crimsun: seem to be several problems here
[11:34] <siretart> crimsun: the most obvious is the limited connectivity on tiber. we have about 20k/s bandwith available, and I have no idea why
[11:34] <crimsun> siretart: right, it seems hard-shaped too.  I didn't attempt to list any netfilter rules since I didn't/don't have privs, but it certainly seemed capped on the provider side
[11:47] <giangy> apachelogger: are you there?
[11:47] <apachelogger> ahoy giangy
[11:47] <giangy> ahoy :)
[11:47] <giangy> can you try to do one test, please?
[11:47] <giangy> Steps to Reproduce:
[11:47] <giangy> 1. right click menu -> internet -> Firefox Web Browser
[11:47] <giangy> 2. select 'add to main panel'
[11:47] <giangy> 3. right click firefox icon on the panel,  select 'Configure firefox web browser button'
[11:47] <giangy> 4. switch to the application tab
[11:48] <giangy> 5. click advanced options button
[11:48] <giangy> 6. unselect 'enable launch feedback'
[11:48] <giangy> 7. click 'OK', 'OK'
[11:48] <apachelogger> omfg
[11:48] <giangy> the firefox icon disappears...
[11:48] <giangy> (the same thing happened with others apps)
[11:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:49] <apachelogger> uhm
[11:49] <giangy> you reproduced this?
[11:49] <fdoving> what rightclick menu?
[11:50] <giangy> fdoving: on the task bar
[11:50] <fdoving> giangy: ah, reproduced.
[11:51] <giangy> sounds strange.. (but the problem, if is it.. seems upstream)
[11:51] <fdoving> giangy: so, you want to know why the icon disappears?
[11:51] <giangy> fdoving: yep..
[11:51] <giangy> if it's normal, well..sorry for the mistake =)
[11:52] <fdoving> because the .desktop file is modified, copied and modified.
[11:52] <fdoving> once you edit anything the copy is made.
[11:52] <apachelogger> fdoving is right
[11:52] <apachelogger> somehow the icon value doesn't get copied
[11:53] <apachelogger> ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/firefox.desktop or something
[11:53] <apachelogger> doesn't have a icon property
[11:54] <giangy> mh, okey
[11:54] <apachelogger> the icon value doesn't get saved - correct word usage :D
[11:58] <apachelogger> omg
[11:58] <apachelogger> siretart++
[11:58] <apachelogger> siretart: everything works as expected again?
[12:01] <giangy> fdoving: adding "Icon=firefox" into mozilla-firefox.desktop seems to work..
[12:02] <fdoving> giangy: yep, need to make kicker do that itself.
[12:02] <giangy> fdoving: can I file a bug upstream?
[12:02] <giangy> (bugs.kde.org)
[12:03] <siretart> apachelogger: I need to contact the guys at serverpronto.
[12:03] <apachelogger> ok
[12:03] <siretart> apachelogger: I don't think I'll catch them before monday, sorry
[12:03] <fdoving> giangy: please do. don't expect it to be fixed in 3.5.x though.
[12:03] <siretart> apachelogger: but I resynced the keyring manually and reprocessed all uploads
[12:03] <apachelogger> my HD will explode
[12:03] <apachelogger> siretart: k, thx
[12:03] <giangy> fdoving: understand :-). thanks anyway.
[12:03] <siretart> apachelogger: you check if it has been accepted
[12:03] <giangy> apachelogger: thanks to you too :)
[12:04] <apachelogger> giangy: yw
[12:04] <fdoving> giangy: reporting it might help getting it fixed  in kde 4, if the issue is still there.
[12:04] <apachelogger> siretart: just got mails
[12:04] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:04] <apachelogger> siretart: can I do some uploads?
[12:05] <siretart> apachelogger: should work
[12:05] <apachelogger> k
[12:05] <siretart> good night!
[12:05] <apachelogger> siretart: nini, and thanks :)