[12:14] <zipper> freshly installed kubuntu 6.06, doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade is giving me these errors: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=37009. Anyone know whats wrong?
[12:15] <zipper> !help
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[12:15] <hikaricore> is it causing continuous errors in apt?
[12:16] <zipper> hikaricore: yeah
[12:16] <seniortaco> wine
[12:16] <hikaricore> hmm... you could try reinstalling the language packs
[12:16] <seniortaco> woops
[12:16] <hikaricore> rofl
[12:17] <seniortaco> lol
[12:17] <hikaricore> That's odd though, did you check the forums to see if anyone had a similar problem in an upgrade?
[12:17] <zipper> hikaricore: not yet...
[12:18] <seniortaco> aww wine cant run msi files
[12:18] <elcuco> hi, i see a new kernel update. whats new on that update?
[12:18] <hikaricore> I know there's a prog yuo can run in wine to run msi
[12:18] <hikaricore> lemmie search around a bit :P
[12:18] <hikaricore> *you
[12:18] <seniortaco> :D
[12:19] <sercik> hi friends!
[12:19] <sercik> i have a hard question!
[12:19] <sercik> for linux guru
[12:19] <sercik> someone wants try??
[12:19] <imagine> !ask @ secleinteer
[12:20] <imagine> tss
[12:20] <imagine> ~ask @ sercik
[12:20] <sercik> i have a pc with linux installed and i want that it download giles for me
[12:20] <imagine> bugger this, sercik:don't ask to ask..
[12:20] <seniortaco> yay i got it to work
[12:20] <hikaricore> seniortaco: woot
[12:21] <sercik> i use putty to connect to pc but when i close putty the command stops tp work
[12:21] <hikaricore> seniortaco: sorry i'm slow :P
[12:21] <khaije1> seniortaco: are you a mr taco, or a junior taco that made the grade....?
[12:21] <sercik> also if i give in background with &
[12:21] <imagine> sercik: download files? and what is putty?
[12:21] <khaije1> or both...?
[12:21] <sercik> for guru only!
[12:21] <seniortaco> um.. no lol
[12:21] <rodrigo> hello guys
[12:22] <imagine> sercik: you're question doesn't make sense, you send a command to execute on your linux box and... ?
[12:22] <rodrigo> does any one can tell me how do I register on here?
[12:22] <zipper> imagine: i mostly use putty as ssh client, but it also supports other stuff
[12:22] <sercik> imagine is complicated
[12:22] <sercik> i need to download files with linux box
[12:22] <imagine> zipper: oh ssh client! well now we are getting somewhere
[12:22] <hikaricore> wget?
[12:22] <hikaricore> lol
[12:22] <sercik> but i have no monitor and no keyboard
[12:22] <rodrigo> hellou?
[12:22] <hikaricore> install openssh on it
[12:22] <sercik> tha pc is my gateway
[12:22] <hikaricore> then ssh to it
[12:23] <imagine> sercik: stop saying is for guru and it's complicated, it's irritating
[12:23] <sercik> i have done
[12:23] <sercik> putty is a windows ssh client
[12:23] <rodrigo> hello
[12:23] <rodrigo> hola?
[12:23] <sercik> but if i close putty the download stops
[12:23] <hikaricore> ok so where are you trying to install files from?
[12:23] <hikaricore> well yea
[12:23] <sercik> i need to shutdown windows pc
[12:23] <imagine> sercik: of course it does.. you logout of your account..
[12:23] <sercik> and let linux download
[12:23] <zipper> imagine: what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <sercik> is not a simple problem infact
[12:24] <hikaricore> follow the download command with an "&" symbol and it should keep running
[12:24] <sercik> no
[12:24] <sercik> i have tried
[12:24] <seniortaco> anddddd steam fails to install on me thnx steam for being so awsome
[12:24] <imagine> zipper: I'm not trying to do anything, I'm trying to explain SSH to sercik
[12:24] <sercik> if i close it stops
[12:24] <zipper> imagine: oh okay. Nevermind me then
[12:24] <imagine> :D
[12:24] <imagine> sercik: well.. why do you want to download the file from the server?
[12:24] <sercik> is a difficult problem but i think should be a solution!
[12:25] <sercik> yes!
[12:25] <zipper> sercik: you can do it with "screen"
[12:25] <imagine> why is an open question..
[12:25] <sercik> screen?
[12:25] <zipper> it lets a "screen session" run, even after you've logged off
[12:25] <sercik> what is?
[12:25] <rodrigo> \nick rodro
[12:25] <HymnToLife> Amen to that !
[12:25] <zipper> sercik: its a program
[12:25] <rodrigo> how do I change my nick?
[12:25] <hikaricore> seniortaco: there are some steam howtos, have to looked at any?
[12:25] <HymnToLife> screen is the greatest invention of mankind since canned beer :p
[12:25] <sercik> zipper i understood this :)
[12:25] <hikaricore> seniortaco: I'm not really familiar with steam or I'd help more >.<
[12:25] <sercik> could you point me to a giude?
[12:25] <rodrigo> does kubuntu let you remote assistance?
[12:25] <sercik> or give me some starts?
[12:26] <imagine> rodrigo: yes
[12:26] <HymnToLife> sercik, screen yourCommand
[12:26] <rodrigo> thanks imagine how?
[12:26] <sercik> simply
[12:26] <zipper> sercik: i mostly use screen for having irssi running on my server. Find it better than using a bouncer.
[12:26] <HymnToLife> sercik, then Ctrl+A, Ctrl+D
[12:26] <imagine> rodrigo: well there's many ways, ssh is one...
[12:26] <sercik> so for example
[12:26] <HymnToLife> will get you back to your prompt but the command will keep running
[12:26] <rodrigo> ssh?
[12:26] <rodrigo> imagine
[12:26] <sercik> screen wget url ?
[12:26] <HymnToLife> sercik, yep
[12:27] <sercik> and then ctrl A cnd CTRL D
[12:27] <rodrigo> I spent all the day of yesterday trying to make my dvd softwares works
[12:27] <zipper> sercik: it's really simple. To create a new screen: "screen -DR name-of-screen-here"
[12:27] <rodrigo> and I coudn't imagine
[12:27] <sercik> i will try! if works i love you 1
[12:27] <sercik> 1!
[12:27] <imagine> rodrigo: hmm, SSH is a tunneling app that let you transfer data over an encrypter tunnel. you can set your Xserver to connect to a remote computer though a SSH server
[12:27] <HymnToLife> sercik, exactly, and then if you want to get back in the screen, to see if all is going well, you just do      screen -R
[12:27] <sercik> ah interesting
[12:27] <zipper> sercik: you can then detach from the screen (still running) with CTRL+A and then ctrl+d
[12:27] <sercik> but simply i can do a ps -ax | grep whet
[12:28] <rodrigo> imagine and how do i do that?
[12:28] <hikaricore> imagine: krfb might be easier for him :)
[12:28] <zipper> sercik: to resume a screen again, type "screen -r name-of-screen-here"
[12:28] <sercik> wait
[12:28] <sercik> wait
[12:28] <imagine> hikaricore: maybe:) ahaha running kubuntu part time only !
[12:28] <rodrigo> imagine: there are only two things that I want to do
[12:28] <imagine> anyway I got more shit to do!
[12:28] <sercik> i'm confused
[12:28] <zipper> sercik: oh?
[12:28] <rodrigo> imagine: to run my dvd and to install gimpshop
[12:28] <hikaricore> imagine:  it's like gnome's vnc but for kde and it works better
[12:29] <rodrigo> imagine: no one could help me yesterday with that
[12:29] <imagine> oh.. never used it..
[12:29] <sercik> first problem: linux don't have screen command
[12:29] <imagine> rodrigo: well.. gimpshop, can't you run it with cygwin?
[12:29] <sercik> apt-get found it ok!
[12:29] <HymnToLife> sercik, apt-get instal screen :)
[12:29] <imagine> ...
[12:29] <sercik> is not ubuntu!!
[12:29] <zipper> sercik: "apt-get install screen"
[12:29] <rodrigo> imagine: cygwin?
[12:29] <hikaricore> sercik: ??
[12:30] <zipper> sercik: sorry, "sudo apt-get install screen"
[12:30] <sercik> zipper i'm not stupid i know this!
[12:30] <zipper> =/
[12:30] <zipper> sorry
[12:30] <zipper> what distro?
[12:30] <sercik> don't worry :)
[12:30] <rodrigo> imagine: let's put it this way I have just one week with linux
[12:30] <sercik> i have kubuntu on my desktop
[12:30] <imagine> rodrigo: nvm what I said, I really need to get going, if you want answer, ask easy to understand question..
[12:30] <sercik> in my server i have clarkconnect
[12:30] <zipper> clarkconnect?
[12:30] <HymnToLife> what's that ?
[12:30] <imagine> ahahhahahahahha
[12:30] <hikaricore> pulling this out of thin air i imagine
[12:30] <imagine> clarkconnect..
[12:30] <rodrigo> imagine: sorry
[12:31] <sercik> search fot ir
[12:31] <sercik> clarkconnect is the best linux router distribution
[12:31] <sercik> i think.........
[12:31] <rodrigo> rodrigo: maybe the best thing is just don't use linux
[12:31] <imagine> I would trust an distro called clarkconnect only when the computer would be powered off
[12:31] <rodrigo> rodrigo: too technical for me
[12:31] <sercik> rodrigo i con't understand
[12:32] <sercik> clarkconnect exists
[12:32] <imagine> rodrigo: take your time, if you want answers go to #kde as well.. they will help you with krfb
[12:32] <sercik> is based on centos
[12:32] <sercik> and is the best router/gateway distribution i know
[12:32] <HymnToLife> Wikipedia tells me it also uses apt
[12:32] <sercik> it can be installed on HD!
[12:32] <francesco_> scusate ci sta un canale italiano?
[12:32] <HymnToLife> so try apt-get install screen
[12:32] <francesco_> are there a italian channel?
[12:32] <HymnToLife> !it | francesco_
[12:32] <zipper> sercik: what kind of package system does it use? Ports? RPM?
[12:32] <ubotu> francesco_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:32] <sercik> i have also installed mldonkey on it and all my famili use it to download from emule
[12:33] <hikaricore> eww emule
[12:33] <zipper> sercik: ah... then just install screen on it as well?
[12:33] <seniortaco> lol
[12:33] <sercik> and connect remote with sancho
[12:33] <hikaricore> wth is sansho
[12:33] <sercik> sancho is a gui for mldonkey core
[12:33] <hikaricore> ah gotya
[12:33] <jarn> I don't suppose there's a log of things I've typed into the terminal anywhere, is there?
[12:34] <hikaricore> some exist in .bash_history
[12:34] <sercik> hikaricore the core run on gateway and i search and send download from client with sancho
[12:34] <zipper> jarn: there is. in "~/.bash_history
[12:34] <hikaricore> but it depends on what terminal you've used
[12:34] <zipper> jarn: sorry, "~/.bash_history"
[12:34] <sercik> it tells screen wget http://afs.caspur.it/afs/italia/project/mirrors/suse/install/10.2/iso/openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso
[12:34] <sercik> [detached] 
[12:34] <zipper> sercik: good
[12:34] <sercik> now! can i close??
[12:35] <zipper> sercik: you can.
[12:35] <HymnToLife> that's pretty much the point :p
[12:35] <zipper> sercik: you might want to consider making sure that you can re-attach before though
[12:35] <sercik> now if i want to restore session?
[12:35] <hikaricore> I'm so glad I have a input/vga switcher so I don't have to deal with sshing in to my server.  ^_^
[12:35] <HymnToLife> sercik, screen -R
[12:36] <zipper> sercik: "screen -r NameOfTheScreen"
[12:36] <sercik> WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWww
[12:36] <jarn> zipper: Thanks!
[12:36] <sercik> wonderful!
[12:36] <zipper> sercik: you can also see a list of available screens with "screen -l"
[12:36] <HymnToLife> zipper, less keystrokes, I win :p
[12:36] <sercik> ok i will read man screen
[12:36] <zipper> HymnToLife: =/
[12:36] <sercik> zipper thank you very very nuch!!!!!
[12:36] <zipper> np
[12:36] <sercik> you are great!
[12:36] <zipper> lol
[12:36] <zipper> =)
[12:36] <sercik> i love this channel
[12:37] <sercik> is full of fantastic people
[12:37] <Minataku> Just in time for the truth
[12:37] <chrislynch> i would like to repartition my drive with qtparted, it says the drive is busy though.  What can I do to fix this?
[12:37] <seniortaco> u think im fantastic .. i feel honored
[12:37] <Minataku> chrislynch: Stop using it
[12:37] <sercik> finally i can shutdown my pc and let my server download
[12:38] <Minataku> If it's busy it most likely has mounted filesystems
[12:38] <zipper> hikaricore: i'm sorry, i'm not registers. Forgotten my account info =/
[12:38] <seniortaco> just wondering anyone here using vmware to run ubuntu?
[12:38] <zipper> hikaricore: registered*
[12:38] <sercik> i have a strange problem with kubuntu i can't ping my gateway and i can't connect to it via ssh anymore however i receive internet connection and i can browwse web and use konversation for example!
[12:38] <seniortaco> ?
[12:38] <Minataku> Bah
[12:38] <zipper> sercik: you sure you didnt accidently stopped the ssh service?
[12:38] <Minataku> The services package here fudging sucks
[12:39] <sercik> no zipper
[12:39] <chrislynch> minataku: yes, it is.  I want to create a new partition so that I can instal another OS onto my drive
[12:39] <sercik> fo sure i have reinstalled gatewaay
[12:39] <saber_> my pc didn't shut down or restart
[12:39] <Minataku> chrislynch: Sorry. Can't partition a drive that's in use
[12:39] <sercik> but from windows works good and from kubuntu don't
[12:39] <saber_> any help?
[12:39] <sercik> i can't ping
[12:39] <hikaricore> chrislynch: your best bet would probably be to boot from a live cd and partition it that way
[12:39] <sercik> but i recieve internet!
[12:39] <sercik> i don't believe this strange problem!
[12:40] <Minataku> sercik: If it works, don't break it
[12:40] <hikaricore> chrislynch: if it's your main partion you won't be able to do anything while it's mounted, for your own safety.
[12:40] <sercik> i need to reinstall kubuntu
[12:40] <chrislynch> hikaricore: that was my next option i was going to try, thanks.
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> I can't get kwifimanager to load a preset configuration on startup
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> the program loads, but it doesn't load the configuration
[12:40] <Minataku> s/main/root/
[12:40] <sercik> Minataku sorry!
[12:40] <seniortaco> serick: im gunna have to say communism might be the cause of your mysterious problem
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> and I have to go into the configuration editor as root every single time
[12:40] <Minataku> sercik: Heehee, it's okay
[12:40] <Hail_Spacecake> so how do I fix that?
[12:40] <hikaricore> rofl
[12:40] <sercik> seniortaco :)
[12:40] <seniortaco> lol
[12:40] <hikaricore> fix communism?
[12:40] <hikaricore> lol
[12:40] <sercik> ias a veru nisterious problem
[12:40] <hikaricore> sorry
[12:41] <Minataku> sercik: It's probably just some bizarre routing issue, as long as the internet still works I wouldn't worry about it
[12:41] <seniortaco> i does make some sense though u can get on the net but communism is forbidding u from pinging
[12:41] <sercik> Minataku i need also to connect to router not only navigate
[12:41] <sercik> to send command for example
[12:41] <zipper> lol seniortaco
[12:42] <seniortaco> so do sudo apt-get install democracy and ur set
[12:42] <sercik> i have a beautiful kubuntu i had configured always and now i need to reinstall :(
[12:42] <sercik> sorry not always but all
[12:42] <hikaricore> i think you're just trying to do everything too fast to be honest
[12:42] <hikaricore> You're trying to make everything work without wholey understanding any of it
[12:43] <hikaricore> I think you're head might explode
[12:43] <sercik> hikaricore i understand but my problem is very strange!
[12:43] <hikaricore> *your
[12:43] <sercik> i'm on a network that works but i can't ping pc
[12:43] <hikaricore> does your router block pings?
[12:43] <sercik> also if i mount a samba shared i see directory but the file are unusable!
[12:43] <Minataku> seniortaco: As for you, if you don't have serious assistance, stop
[12:43] <hikaricore> like maybe a builtin firewall?
[12:44] <sercik> hikaricore my rouer is a linux pc
[12:44] <zipper> hikaricore: blocking inside the LAN? Sounds wierd....
[12:44] <sercik> and it worked until two days ago
[12:44] <tdn> How do I add my SSH key to ssh-agent each time I log in to KDE? So I don't have to write "ssh-add" the first time I want to use SSH in each session.
[12:44] <sercik> but windows works only kubuntu don't
[12:44] <sercik> can i reset network configuration on kubuntu?
[12:45] <zipper> sercik: well... You just started downloading a huge file right? Perhaps the packages are getting lost in congestion control or something
[12:45] <keith> is it a complicated task to authunicate with active directory
[12:45] <hikaricore> i hope that your "router" system has a static ip
[12:45] <zipper> !help
[12:45] <sercik> zipper router works good
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[12:46] <sercik> i'm sure because now i'm on windows
[12:46] <tdn> knetworkmanager stopped showing available wireless networks. How do I get it to do that? How do I even debug this?
[12:46] <sercik> and i can ping it i can coonect to it via ssh and i cam mount samba shares
[12:46] <sercik> in kubuntu until three days ago no problem
[12:46] <sercik> now full of problem :)
[12:46] <Arwen> will I have to recompile kernel modules after a minor kernel update? like 2.6.20-16.28 -> 2.6.20-16.29?
[12:47] <sercik> from kubuntu i can't ping i can't connect via ssh
[12:47] <crimsun> it's a good idea to, but no, you shouldn't have to.
[12:47] <Arwen> ok
[12:47] <crimsun> (to Arwen)
[12:47] <sercik> i can only browse internet
[12:47] <sercik> hi crimsun!
[12:47] <oslo__> hi
[12:48] <oslo__> do u know any ssl chat programs ?
[12:48] <hikaricore> sercik: i think your problems as a whole are too much for anyone to handle.  you need to stick to one basic issue and try and fix that, instead of everything at once.
[12:48] <main2> can i configure kubuntu in such way that when i press the powerbutton of my desktop, that it goes into suspend mode
[12:48] <Arwen> oslo__, err... XChat, Konversation, etc
[12:48] <main2> instead of powerdown!?
[12:48] <main2> i cant find the power options :/
[12:49] <oslo__> Arwen> iin fact i'd like to do chat with PGP keys
[12:49] <sercik> hikaricore i know!
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> main2: yes you can... lemme remember where I saw that...
[12:49] <sercik> thanks a lot to all
[12:49] <sercik> i go to bed
[12:49] <Arwen> oslo__, um, then you need to connect to an SSL-enabled server
[12:49] <Arwen> most clients support it
[12:49] <saber_> where is power opition in kubuntu
[12:49] <zipper> !help
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[12:50] <oslo__> Arwen> could i host it ?
[12:50] <Arwen> I guess..
[12:50] <oslo__> do u have any links for me ?
[12:50] <oslo__> any program name, any tutorials ?
[12:50] <saber_> my hard disk refuse to mount
[12:51] <saber_> any help?
[12:51] <drblood_> hm
[12:51] <hikaricore> what type of file system?
[12:51] <saber_> fat32
[12:51] <saber_> i have 250gb sata hd
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> main2: hmm.. can't find it...
[12:51] <saber_> on partion mounted and the rest refused
[12:51] <drblood_> i cant believe its true that there are roads left in both of the shoes if the sun mistakes you then i hope it takes me too
[12:52] <hikaricore> mounting with "-t fat"?
[12:52] <main2> nosrednaekim, crap :D, but thanks for looking :)
[12:52] <saber_> explain plz
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> main2: there still mgith be.. google it
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> *might
[12:53] <hikaricore> mount /dev/hd? /media/place -t fat
[12:53] <hikaricore> if it's not seeing the partition type you'll need to tell it
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> hikaricore: its sata....
[12:53] <saber_> i tried no result the same refuse
[12:54] <saber_> i mounted one fat 32 partion while the others refuse     why?
[12:55] <hikaricore> what's the actual command you're using?
[12:55] <hikaricore> and what's the /dev location of the device
[12:55] <drblood_> DEATH CAB 4 CUTIE ROOLS
[12:55] <drblood_> SOUL MEETS BODY!
[12:55] <saber_> look here is the message
[12:55] <saber_> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> ummm... how do we kick someone?
[12:56] <hikaricore> are you running mount with sudo?
[12:56] <saber_> no
[12:56] <hikaricore> nosrednaekim: should we though?  i kinda laughed
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> lol...
[12:56] <saber_> from the media storage right clik
[12:56] <hikaricore> saber_: you have to run mount with "sudo"
[12:56] <hikaricore> is it asking for a password when you do that?
[12:57] <saber_> when i mount noooooooooooo
[12:57] <saber_> i am new plz tell me how
[12:57] <hikaricore> ok
[12:57] <hikaricore> first off, open a terminal
[12:57] <hikaricore> so you can actually see what's happening
[12:57] <saber_> how plz
[12:58] <saber_> how to open terminal
[12:58] <hikaricore> alt+f2 then type konsole
[12:58] <hikaricore> i think that's the kde term
[12:58] <hikaricore> lol
[12:58] <Arwen> damn it, medibuntu is broken again..
[12:58] <hikaricore> Arwen: ouch
[12:58] <saber_> ok
[12:58] <saber_> then
[12:58] <Arwen> hikaricore, yeh.... they're not hosting development headers anymore...
[12:59] <hikaricore> now in the terminal you type:  sudo mount /dev/sd?? /locationyouwantitmounted -t fat32
[12:59] <hikaricore> replace text accordingly :)
[12:59] <hikaricore> ?? = the location of the device
[01:00] <hikaricore> err
[01:00] <hikaricore> "-t fat"
[01:00] <hikaricore> sorry
[01:01] <Minataku> vfat
[01:01] <hikaricore> chit
[01:01] <hikaricore> >.<
[01:01] <Minataku> And put the options before the device
[01:01] <hikaricore> that's what I get for never using anything besides ext3
[01:01] <hikaricore> I never have to pass filesystem typed :P
[01:01] <hikaricore> *types
[01:02] <Minataku> I do every so often
[01:02] <Minataku> Filesystem options, too
[01:02] <hikaricore> I think I last mounted a fat device like a year ago
[01:02] <Arwen> oh wait, my sources.list was just broken :-\
[01:02] <Minataku> Actually, for FAT, type isn't needed
[01:02] <Minataku> It should be autodetected
[01:03] <main2> http://i8.tinypic.com/5xo5c0j.jpg
[01:03] <hikaricore> Eh it started by him saying it wasn't mounting
[01:03] <hikaricore> so I just went form there
[01:03] <main2> PARIS back to jail ! haha pwned :D > http://i8.tinypic.com/5xo5c0j.jpg
[01:03] <Minataku> It's typically only for bizarro crap or when something goofs and it can't tell
[01:03] <Minataku> hikaricore: Ah.
[01:03] <Minataku> main2: Off topic but great to hear
[01:03] <Arwen> lol... for Paris, the death penalty is highly appropriate :-\
[01:03] <hikaricore> rofl
[01:03] <hikaricore> she must not have been able to find enough smack in her home to keep her flipped out during her house arrest
[01:04] <hikaricore> sorry I couldn't help it
[01:05] <hikaricore> why does this remind me of the old netspits on dalnet?
[01:05] <main2> from 23days she now goes for the full 45 ;D
[01:05] <hikaricore> imagine that many people disconnecting at once
[01:05] <saber_> thanx hi
[01:05] <hikaricore> did you get it figured out?
[01:05] <greg_g> what is the kde partition manager?
[01:06] <hikaricore> if you need that drive to always be mounted you'll need to add a line for it in fstab
[01:06] <saber_> i managed to mount 3 partitions but still have 2 more who completely refuse
[01:06] <hikaricore> greg_g: sudo apt-get install qtparted
[01:06] <greg_g> hikaricore: thanks
[01:06] <Arwen> ^^ - remember not to partition active drives
[01:06] <hikaricore> saber_: are you sure they're fat and not ntfs?
[01:07] <saber_> i am sure they are fat32
[01:07] <hikaricore> hmm... that's odd
[01:08] <hikaricore> I'm not really sure other than to tell you maybe open up gparted or something and see if you're typing the correct devices
[01:08] <hikaricore> err
[01:08] <hikaricore> qtparted
[01:08] <hikaricore> ^_^
[01:09] <tetrimino> hello every Kubuntu users :D
[01:09] <BluesKaj> hikaricore, nothing wrong with gnome libs as long as they work in KDE :)
[01:10] <hikaricore> tetrimino: hello there
[01:10] <tetrimino> just started using Kubuntu yesterday
[01:10] <hikaricore> How's it workin out for ya?
[01:10] <tetrimino> so im not really a linux geek yet :D
[01:10] <tetrimino> hope it will come
[01:10] <tetrimino> fine :D
[01:10] <hikaricore> good to hear
[01:11] <hikaricore> I'm a kubuntu convert since I got tired of gnome failing at existance.
[01:11] <Arwen> I dunno, I never liked KDE's look n' feel and was never motivated enough to fix it
[01:12] <hikaricore> hehe I just made my kde desktop look just like my gnome desktop, without the whole nautilus bugging out thing
[01:12] <hikaricore> nautilus and gnome-screensaver were really my only pet peeves
[01:12] <Arwen> yeah, I hate gnome-screensaver
[01:12] <Arwen> nautilus has a tendency to leak memory/cpu time too, but it was a solid file manager
[01:13] <hikaricore> thumbnailing kills it alot
[01:13] <hikaricore> The scripts need to have builtin timeouts
[01:13] <hikaricore> But they don't and they just keep running when they fail
[01:13] <Arwen> yeah, I didn't like the fact that you couldn't tell it to not cache thumbnails
[01:13] <Arwen> and caching failed thumbnails - no no
[01:13] <jrick> I have a problem with Mailody.  I can not connect it to my Runbox acount using SMTP, and so I can't use it to send any messages. Can anyone help?
[01:14] <BluesKaj> got tired of having fiddle with spyware cleaners , antivirus apps, paying for stuff that is free on linux and worrying about all the other windows insecurities
[01:14] <Arwen> BluesKaj, err, I run Windows too... without any of that cruft you mention
[01:14] <hikaricore> I even converted my girl to kubuntu ^_^  now I only have to fix ventrilo instead of the whole comp.
[01:15] <saber_> is there a programme i can use to mount my hd
[01:15] <randrade> hi
[01:15] <tetrimino> you know what i like the most about Kubuntu?
[01:15] <tetrimino> Adept Manager
[01:15] <Arwen> #kubuntu-offtopic please, we're digressing too much
[01:15] <antiroach> how can i install acrobat reader on fiesty fawn? \
[01:15] <Arwen> antiroach, apt-get install acroread
[01:15] <hikaricore> saber_: Your best bet is to add entries in the the /etc/fstab file to mount them automaticlly.
[01:15] <BluesKaj> yes Arwen, as do i out of necessity to keep abreast of things in windows that my neebie kids rely on me for
[01:15] <tetrimino> i love it :D but then again, im used to winxp Do'H
[01:16] <saber_> how and what to add?
[01:16] <Arwen> damn, I forgot to install a custom libmatroska-dev version before beginning compile...
[01:16] <Arwen> *swears*
[01:16] <antiroach> E: Couldn't find package acroread
[01:16] <Arwen> !repositories | antiroach
[01:16] <ubotu> antiroach: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:16] <hikaricore> :P
[01:16] <Arwen> hikaricore, I have my personal channel for offtopic :-)
[01:17] <hikaricore> saber_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[01:17] <hikaricore> that might help explain fstab for ya
[01:17] <tetrimino> anyone of you using Kopete?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> newbie daughter actually ...she just got a divorce from a control freak husband and has finally been able to learn about computing and the internet
[01:18] <saber_> thanx i will see and come back thankx dude
[01:20] <tetrimino> i could really use a cheese burger D:
[01:21] <jrick> does anyone here use Mailody as their email client (let's get a hand's up)
[01:21] <BluesKaj> tetrimino, I used kopete for a while just out of curiosity. It's ok but i still prefer konversation
[01:22] <tetrimino> okay, but my "problem" is that i dont know how to change my display picture :D
[01:22] <BluesKaj> the opera browser has a nice embedded irc client ...works well
[01:23] <BluesKaj> IMers ...really into visuals
[01:24] <Minataku> Sweet... broke 3000 Gamerscore
[01:24] <Minataku> 3005, specifically
[01:24] <hikaricore> in what?
[01:25] <Minataku> Overall
[01:25] <Arwen> f***, ATI support in Linux is soo bad..
[01:26] <hikaricore> They promised to fix it
[01:26] <hikaricore> I even posted a link to an article about it on UGA
[01:26] <hikaricore> :)
[01:26] <Arwen> yeah, I'll believe it when I see results..
[01:26] <Arwen> AMD is dieing, didn't you see their second quarter losses?
[01:26] <Hench> I'm having some trouble installing Kubuntu; anyone willing to help? :)
[01:27] <hikaricore> What seems to be the trouble?
[01:27] <Arwen> !ask | Hench
[01:27] <ubotu> Hench: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:28] <hikaricore> Arwen: money is evil and I don't pay attention to company money
[01:28] <Arwen> profit/loss is usually a good indicator of how good the company's doing
[01:28] <Hench> I intend to dual-boot XP on my Dell Inspiron 1505, but when I boot from the Kubuntu CD and select install it just sits there on a blank screen
[01:28] <Hench> perpetually
[01:28] <Arwen> which is usually reflective of their product
[01:28] <Arwen> Hench, have you used the md5sum option to check it for errors?
[01:29] <Hench> Yep
[01:29] <Hench> no errors
[01:29] <Arwen> hmm... how far does it get before it hangs?
[01:29] <Hench> The Kubuntu logo shows up, and the bouncy status bar displays...bounces for a while, then the screen goes black
[01:29] <Hench> the screen's still on, just...black
[01:30] <Hench> and nothing happens
[01:30] <Arwen> Hench, hmm... did you try the safe graphics option?
[01:30] <hikaricore> there's an option to start in safe graphical mode
[01:30] <Hench> Then the CD stops spinning
[01:30] <hikaricore> lol
[01:30] <Hench> ah...no, hadn't tried that
[01:30] <Arwen> Hench, if you tell us what video card you have, that might help
[01:31] <Hench> Just so I don't waste my time, I've got an ATI Mobility Radeon x1400 in this laptop; is that compatible?
[01:31] <Arwen> X1xxx series? probably not
[01:31] <Arwen> not even by the 2d driver
[01:31] <Hench> :\
[01:31] <Hench> So should I even bother?
[01:32] <Arwen> Hench, well, you can install the proprietary driver later
[01:32] <hikaricore> Ironicly this reflects our ATI discussion.
[01:32] <Arwen> after setting it up in safe mode
[01:32] <hikaricore> >.<
[01:33] <Hench> Arwen: from where?
[01:33] <Arwen> Hench, we'll get to that later..
[01:33] <Hench> Heh
[01:33] <Hench> Alright, I'll try the safe graphics option
[01:33] <tetrimino> is it possible to install a windows version of q3a on Kubuntu?
[01:34] <Hench> Thanks
[01:34] <dad> Hello. What is the network package for Kubuntu?
[01:34] <Arwen> Hench, don't thank us till you've tried it :-)
[01:34] <ollie_> hi people
[01:34] <Arwen> yay, compile finally finished
[01:34] <Arwen> now I can use my system..
[01:35] <ollie_> since upgrading to feisty from edgy, ive had problems with my screensaver being very very slow
[01:35] <Arwen> ollie_, do you use fglrx?
[01:35] <ollie_> erm,
[01:35] <ollie_> not to my knowledge
[01:35] <ollie_> since i dont know what it is
[01:36] <Arwen> the ati proprietary driver?
[01:37] <ollie_> nope, nvidia here
[01:37] <Arwen> hmm.... do you have direct rendering? just a thought
[01:37] <hikaricore> did you reinstall the binary driver?
[01:37] <hikaricore> glxinfo | grep rendering
[01:37] <ollie_> i use their proprietary driver
[01:37] <ollie_> oh does it need re-installing manually?
[01:37] <hikaricore> usually it does ^_^
[01:37] <ollie_> :D
[01:37] <hikaricore> Personally I recommend using Envy.  But that's jsut me.
[01:37] <hikaricore> my typing is so dyslexic
[01:37] <ollie_> i'll just reinstall the binary quickly
[01:37] <ollie_> thanks guys
[01:37] <Arwen> hikaricore, ick, no scripts please... they fail hard
[01:37] <BluesKaj> Envy doesn't work for ATI on fesity ...dunno about nvidia
[01:38] <hikaricore> it works for nvidia
[01:38] <Arwen> I dislike those "easy" scripts, they tend to fail... and b0rk stuff when they fail :-\
[01:38] <Arwen> easier to do things manually
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ok so half of it works
[01:38] <hikaricore> eh scripts are one thing, but al pulled off something good wiht envy
[01:38] <hikaricore> I've very anti automatix/easyubuntu
[01:39] <BluesKaj> actually Arwen ,envy works great for both ATI and nVidia on edgy
[01:39] <hikaricore> You try explaining to someone how to install nvidia drivers over the phone sometime.
[01:39] <hikaricore> and Envy will be your best frined
[01:39] <hikaricore> ....
[01:40] <Arwen> he's "L" lol
[01:40] <BluesKaj> don't think Alberts Milone has tried to reconfig envy for ATI on feisty, hence the the "unstable " label.
[01:40] <hikaricore> it looks like an I
[01:40] <hikaricore> :P
[01:40] <BluesKaj> err Alberto
[01:40] <hikaricore> 1600x1200 res for the lose
[01:41] <Arwen> 1600x1200 pwns, lol
[01:41] <Arwen> if the text is too small, just increase your DPI :-)
[01:41] <hikaricore> yea but I can't tell the difference between an l and and I
[01:41] <Arwen> just bump up your font size? :-)
[01:42] <hikaricore> that defeats the purpose
[01:42] <Arwen> and those are hard to distinguish with some fonts :-\
[01:42] <hikaricore> 1600x1200 res with size 32 fonts
[01:42] <Arwen> hikaricore, I guess... food time... be back in 10
[01:42] <hikaricore> no thanks
[01:42] <crimsun> like, say, Red Hat's Liberation font
[01:42] <hikaricore> I love liberation fonts
[01:42] <crimsun> no distinction between a capital Oh ('O') and a zero ('0')
[01:43] <hikaricore> I have them on every system l own :)
[01:43] <crimsun> I hope that's resolved when they release the fully hinted version.
[01:43] <crimsun> because right, it sucks to use Liberation
[01:50] <Arwen> lol
[01:50] <Arwen> RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
[01:51] <Hench> Alas and alack, still didn't work
[01:51] <hikaricore> agggghhhhhah
[01:51] <hikaricore> sorry Arwen scared me
[01:52] <Arwen> lol
[01:52] <hikaricore> Your best bet would probably be the minimal cd, and I don't know if it would even be worth it.
[01:52] <Hench> that makes me sad
[01:52] <hikaricore> even if you got *ubuntu installed you might not be able to use a gui
[01:52] <hikaricore> :/
[01:53] <Hench> :\
[01:53] <Arwen> well, he could use the VESA driver
[01:53] <hikaricore> that makes me a sad panda
[01:53] <Arwen> :-)
[01:53] <Hench> .....
[01:53] <seniortaco> loler
[01:53] <Arwen> it works ok at 800x600, lol
[01:53] <hikaricore> he could also perfom chemical castration on his eyes
[01:53] <hikaricore> but I don't think that would be wise either
[01:53] <Hench> XD
[01:53] <hikaricore> >.<
[01:53] <seniortaco> id opt for that 1
[01:53] <Hench> Too bad I don't have another computer to try it on
[01:53] <hikaricore> vesa driver means no 3d ect
[01:53] <Arwen> the funny icon in the tray says I should reboot... but man, that'd be so boring
[01:54] <Arwen> hikaricore, it's a temporary solution....
[01:54] <hikaricore> and it will kill your uptime
[01:54] <seniortaco> and down time
[01:54] <seniortaco> wait
[01:54] <seniortaco> ya reverse that defently will up ur down time
[01:54] <hikaricore> 19:54:35 up 46 days, 3 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.03, 0.01
[01:54] <hikaricore> hehehe
[01:54] <Hench> Heh, this CD comes with memtest on it
[01:54] <Hench> cool
[01:54] <seniortaco> lol
[01:55] <Hench> XD
[01:55] <Hench> 46 days? Damn
[01:55] <seniortaco> lol i havent shut down this computer in a few months
[01:55] <hikaricore> I still havn't rebooted for the latest kernel fix
[01:55] <hikaricore> which will fix all my drives being labeled sda
[01:56] <hikaricore> seniortaco: nice
[01:56] <seniortaco> sda?... sad drives anonomys?
[01:56] <Hench> hehe, sad drives
[01:56] <hikaricore> lol
[01:56] <hikaricore> yes sad drives
[01:56] <seniortaco> only thing i can think of that sda could mean
[01:57] <hikaricore> I can't enable dma on my cdrom/dvd drives
[01:57] <hikaricore> because of a kernel bug that labels all my /dev/hd* as /dev/sd
[01:57] <seniortaco> thats a mean bug
[01:57] <Hench> hahaha
[01:57] <seniortaco> have u tried raid ? killed all the bugs in this room
[01:57] <hikaricore> ha ha ha
[01:58] <hikaricore> omg you said raid like meaning it as a pun
[01:58] <hikaricore> i get it
[01:58] <hikaricore> :P
[01:58] <seniortaco> loler
[01:58] <seniortaco> im using windows.. how bout that for a bug
[01:59] <hikaricore> O.o
[01:59] <seniortaco> lol
[01:59] <hikaricore> that's more like a worm than a bug
[01:59] <seniortaco> this is running on a virtual machine
[01:59] <Hench> Well, now i need to reload all those files I moved to my external :(
[01:59] <seniortaco> lol
[01:59] <Hench> And that took so long to do, too
[02:00] <seniortaco> i solved my compatibility issues by running linux inside of windows
[02:00] <seniortaco> as crazy as it sounds it workd nicely
[02:00] <Hench> I can only imagine
[02:01] <seniortaco> lol
[02:01] <Hench> 'cuz, ya know, my video card doesn't work with it XD
[02:01] <seniortaco> i got dual screens so one is always linux and the other side is windows
[02:01] <hikaricore> So you're running a very nice secure OS, inside of satan's baby?
[02:01] <hikaricore> hehe
[02:02] <seniortaco> kinda kool sliding my mouse between os's makes me feel powerful.... or something
[02:02] <seniortaco> lol
[02:02] <seniortaco> uve got that rite
[02:02] <seniortaco> should be vice versa but windows got me first so
[02:02] <Hench> LOL
[02:03] <buhuai> hello
[02:03] <seniortaco> its funny though cause ppl will ask me wat os im using and ill be like depends on wat mode im in
[02:03] <seniortaco> mood*
[02:03] <tetrimino> is there anykind of photoshop alternative for linux?
[02:03] <Hench> Well, I'm gonna go and move back over 30 gigs of data from my external
[02:03] <seniortaco> gimp
[02:03] <tetrimino> thanks
[02:03] <seniortaco> :D
[02:03] <hikaricore> There are howtos on configuring gimp to be more like PS if you need it.
[02:04] <seniortaco> only answer i can own!
[02:04] <seniortaco> answer* lol
[02:04] <hikaricore> There's also a cmyk plugin in existance
[02:04] <hikaricore> But I've never used it.
[02:04] <seniortaco> cmyk?
[02:04] <shadowhywind> oh i so screwed up! i have completely lost any ability to use sudo.. everytime i try to use sudo nothing happens.. can someone help?
[02:04] <seniortaco> u know if u take out the k and put an a and re arrange the letters u get... ymca
[02:05] <hikaricore> seniortaco:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmyk
[02:05] <seniortaco> ohhhh
[02:05] <hikaricore> shadowhywind: I can try, not sure if I'll be of much use.
[02:05] <tetrimino> btw any of you using XMMS as mp3 player?
[02:06] <hikaricore> shadowhywind: do you have any other info except nothing happens?
[02:06] <seniortaco> i dont know wat u guys use but winamp ftw
[02:06] <shadowhywind> the last thing i did was try to add a user to the root group
[02:06] <seniortaco> lol
[02:06] <shadowhywind> hikaricore that was the last thing i did before sudo stopped working
[02:06] <seniortaco>  its awsome i dont know y u would want to smack me
[02:06] <tetrimino> yeah winamp for the win, but you can't get winamp for linux? or cant you?
[02:07] <seniortaco> dont think so but.. i got linux on one screen and windows on the other so i got no problems there
[02:07] <seniortaco> :D
[02:07] <buhuai> kde
[02:07] <hikaricore> audacious is pretty nice for a winamp replacement
[02:07] <seniortaco> lol
[02:08] <hikaricore> it can even use winamp 2 skins
[02:08] <seniortaco> u cant replace winamp
[02:08] <seniortaco> wait wat?!
[02:08] <seniortaco> lol
[02:08] <Minataku> !jp
[02:08] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[02:08] <Minataku> !cn
[02:08] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:08] <buhuai> jp 
[02:09] <seniortaco> bj?
[02:09] <Minataku> !help
[02:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:09] <Minataku> Er
[02:09] <Minataku> !ops
[02:09] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[02:09] <hikaricore> seniortaco: that's enough
[02:09] <Minataku> Someone wanna get seniortaco outta here?
[02:09] <nixternal> Minataku: ?
[02:09] <Minataku> We've had enough of his trolling idiocy
[02:10] <seniortaco> just ask and i shall leave lol
[02:10] <nixternal> seniortaco: stay on topic or take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:10] <Minataku> Thanks, nixternal
[02:11] <nixternal> no, thank you Minataku
[02:11] <Minataku> np ^^
[02:11] <hikaricore> The response to our nonenglish friend was just too much :/
[02:11] <dewey> good day mates
[02:11] <dewey> okay I have kubuntu on hdb and now it will not boot
[02:11] <dewey> grub stops at stage 5
[02:12] <tetrimino> lol kubuntu is very confusing
[02:12] <dewey> can I fix that with live cd?
[02:12] <Minataku> GRUB only has 2 stages
[02:12] <hikaricore> O.o
[02:12] <Minataku> Well, 3 if you count 1.5
[02:12] <tetrimino> i just downloaded Python, but i cant exstract it? wtf
[02:12] <dewey> well, can I still fix it?
[02:12] <Minataku> Possibly
[02:12] <hikaricore> tetrimino: what file format?
[02:12] <Minataku> Not sure what's wrong to help you, though
[02:12] <tetrimino> .TGZ
[02:13] <Minataku> GZipped TAR archive
[02:13] <tetrimino> okidoki
[02:13] <Minataku> Extract with "tar xfz blah.tgz"
[02:13] <hikaricore> tar -xpvf filename
[02:13] <Minataku> hikaricore's won't work
[02:13] <Minataku> Use mine
[02:13] <dewey> hmmm maybe mbr on that hd is messed up?
[02:13] <tetrimino> again adept manager is very handy ;D
[02:13] <hikaricore> eh, always works for me, sorry
[02:13] <Minataku> hikaricore: It's gzipped
[02:14] <Minataku> It has to be filtered through that first
[02:14] <hikaricore> ohh
[02:14] <hikaricore> nevermind
[02:14] <Minataku> Otherwise tar will just spit out an error
[02:14] <jujimufu> hey guys, I am on kubuntu ffawn, and every time I try to pair my cellphone to my pc via bluetooth, when I enter the passcode on my cellphone I get a "Connection Failed" message on both devices, instead of getting a window on the PC asking me to type the password I just typed on my cellphone. Any ideas?
[02:14] <Sanne> tetrimino: why did you download python? You should have it already installed.
[02:15] <tetrimino> well maybe i have.. but i havent got the hang of Kubuntu yet
[02:15] <tetrimino> downloaded it yesterday
[02:15] <tetrimino> normally im a windows guy.. >_<
[02:16] <tetrimino> btw it said that i have gzip installed ?
[02:17] <Minataku> Kubuntu doesn't come with gzip? If that's true, I'm gonna have to reevaluate my stance on recommending it again.
[02:17] <Minataku> !bluetooth | jujimufu
[02:17] <ubotu> jujimufu: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[02:17] <Minataku> !info gzip
[02:17] <ubotu> gzip: The GNU compression utility. In component main, is required. Version 1.3.9-2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 240 kB
[02:17] <Minataku> !info tar
[02:17] <ubotu> tar: GNU tar. In component main, is required. Version 1.16-2 (feisty), package size 313 kB, installed size 1928 kB
[02:17] <Sanne> tetrimino: python is installed by default. Generally, it's better to first check if a program is available in the ubuntu repositories. Let me give you a link you might want to go over regarding software management.
[02:17] <Minataku> Just checking
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> Minataku- gzip is installed by default
[02:18] <Minataku> Yeah
[02:18] <Minataku> Dragnslcr: You never know what kind of stupid crap they might pull next, though
[02:18] <jujimufu> Minataku: thanks
[02:18] <Minataku> jujimufu: np
[02:18] <Sanne> tetrimino: this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[02:18] <Minataku> !info python
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> True, but gzip is a pretty common utility
[02:18] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[02:19] <tetrimino> thanks
[02:19] <Minataku> It's not "required", simply "important"
[02:19] <Minataku> Whatever that means exactly :P
[02:20] <tetrimino> im gonna study then :D
[02:20] <tetrimino> see ya some other time
[02:20] <tetrimino> im sure that ill be back :D
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> see ya
[02:20] <Minataku> Sorry, the repository/package management style of *buntu (and Debian) irks me
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: Gentoo's just better eh?
[02:21] <anthony_> Can anyone tell me where I can find the system requirements for kubuntu?
[02:21] <Minataku> anthony_: On the side of the box
[02:21] <Minataku> j/k
[02:21] <Minataku> !requirements
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> anthony_: I'd say its about 1Ghz, and about 384MB of RAM
[02:21] <Minataku> Bah
[02:21] <Minataku> Idiot bot
[02:21] <anthony_>  a little higher than ubuntu, then.
[02:22] <Minataku> Nah, same
[02:22] <Minataku> KDE is decidedly less horrific than GNOME
[02:22] <Minataku> So probably a bit less, actually
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> KDE is a bit harder on RAM from what i've seen
[02:23] <Sanne> tetrimino: have fun :)
[02:23] <Minataku> Easier on the eyes and nerves, though
[02:23] <hikaricore> But you don't have to deal with nautilus and gnome-screensaver..
[02:23] <hikaricore> hehe
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> haha... true
[02:23] <anthony_> Minataku, is KDE decidedly less horrific than kfce?
[02:23] <Minataku> Never used xfce
[02:23] <anthony_> my bad xfce
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> to use XFCE you'd have to be a masochist
[02:23] <Minataku> I use Fluxbox
[02:23] <jujimufu> I am having problems with bluetooth. I followed the official ubuntu guide, but I still get an error when pairing my cellphone to the pc.
[02:24] <anthony_> or have an old slow machine.
[02:24] <jujimufu> Any ideas?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> unless you have lacking hardware
[02:24] <Minataku> I don't want a huge DM nor any sort of heavy WM
[02:24] <Minataku> I like my window manager to manage windows... that's about it
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: yeah.. In know.. but don't you miss klipper? I couldn't live without it
[02:24] <Minataku> No
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> *I
[02:24] <Minataku> I never used it, AFAICR
[02:25] <Minataku> pp pool?
[02:25] <Minataku> That sounds gross
[02:25] <Minataku> XD
[02:25] <anthony_> I just installed xubuntu on an old machine, and I've never used any linux distribution before, so I have no comparision point, but this is definitely lacking in some things.
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> if you ever used KDE.. you ued kilpper
[02:25] <Minataku> [20:24:51]  * prxq_ (n=prxq@Ya2ec.y.pppool.de) has joined #kubuntu <<<
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> what?
[02:26] <Minataku> Refresh me on what Klipper is, then
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> anthony_: like what?
[02:26] <hikaricore> clipboard manager
[02:26] <hikaricore> just like glipper
[02:26] <hikaricore> :P
[02:26] <Minataku> Nope, never used it
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: its a clipboard which can store multiple cuts...
[02:27] <hikaricore> so you can copy something from one window then paste it even after you close that window
[02:27] <Minataku> X already has similar functionality
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> I must say that klipper makes more english sense than glipper
[02:27] <Minataku> Why would I need an extra program to do that?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> and save cuts...
[02:27] <hikaricore> anthony_: xubuntu is built for lower end machines, that's why it's lacking
[02:27] <hajhouse> i have a problem with the Printers panel of the KDE System Settings: when i try to add a new printer (using the menu button) the System Settings program becomes unresponsive (i.e., it hangs)
[02:27] <hikaricore> Minataku: because gnome has no builtin clipboard support
[02:27] <anthony_> I understood that. Maybe I'll upgrade one of my other machines to kubuntu sometime.
[02:28] <Minataku> That's the point, X11 has builtin pastebuffers
[02:28] <Minataku> Two, no less
[02:28] <chuck__> !dvdrip
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdrip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <chuck__> !dvd
[02:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: for how long? it scans for printers and that takes a while
[02:28] <hikaricore> Minataku: but it fails if you close a window that doesn't support those buffers
[02:28] <chuck__> !k9copy
[02:28] <hikaricore> Minataku: IE firefox
[02:28] <chuck__> blah
[02:29] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: ten minutes or more. eventually a dialog pops up telling me that the program is unresponsive and offering to forcibly terminate it
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Internet explorer? don't even say the word! you'll get me viruses by just saying the accursed phrase
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: ah ok.
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: did you log into admin mode on the bottom of that screen?
[02:30] <chuck__> !mencoder
[02:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mencoder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:30] <chuck__> !universe
[02:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:30] <hikaricore> IE = Example
[02:30] <Minataku> "IE" is best pronounced as a word, and by dragging out the "E" while running away and flailing your arms about
[02:30] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: no
[02:30] <Minataku> ;3
[02:30] <Minataku> IEEEEEEEEEEEE! *run*
[02:30] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: trying that
[02:30] <Minataku> XD
[02:31] <chuck__> anyone know what repository mencoder is?
[02:31] <chuck__> is in8?
[02:31] <Minataku> !info mencoder
[02:31] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 3473 kB, installed size 8732 kB
[02:31] <Minataku> !info transcode
[02:31] <ubotu> transcode: Utility to encode raw video/audio streams. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0.2-0.8ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2379 kB, installed size 5496 kB
[02:31] <chuck__> ohhhhh
[02:31] <Minataku> There's also that, too
[02:31] <chuck__> Minataku: I need mencoder to install k9copy apparently..... thanks
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> hikaricore: yea yeah... I know...
[02:32] <Minataku> chuck__: np
[02:34] <chuck__> this doesn't make much sense to me. I think I have multiverse enabled, but there's no installation candidate for mencoder. http://pastebin.ca/551917
[02:34] <chuck__> i have my sources.list in there, and i definitely ran an apt-get update
[02:35] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i do not understand how the administrator mode works. i clicked the 'administrator mode' button, and the printer configuration window was replaced with a window that had no controls, only what looks like a blank text box and some help text on administrator mode
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: hmm
[02:36] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: the distribution is feisty, and the printing system is cups
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: it doesn't promt you for your password?
[02:37] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: no
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: hmm..
[02:38] <hikaricore> I've had kcontrol bug out like that on some systems
[02:38] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i think i've found the problem. sudo does not work because it is not suit root
[02:40] <hikaricore> Never figured out why though
[02:40] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: suid i mean
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: ah ok.
[02:40] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: how to fix that is a problem though. :(
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: sudo doesn't work PERIOD?
[02:40] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: correct :(
[02:44] <Voyage_> is mircrosft sued for using the name vista ?
[02:44] <hikaricore> that case is going to fall out of the courts
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: are you in the sudo group?
[02:44] <hikaricore> no doubt
[02:44] <Voyage_> is mircrosft sued for using the name vista ?
[02:44] <imagine> why would they?
[02:44] <imagine> and why would we care?
[02:44] <hikaricore> it was on slashdot
[02:44] <hikaricore> lol
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> if its on slashdot.... GEEK OUT!
[02:44] <Voyage_> i saw it today
[02:44] <Voyage_> i saw the news [#LinuxChat News]  - Microsoft sued over Windows Vista name - A French television presenter has sued Microsoft for "violation of intellectual property". Philippe Gildas accused the software publisher of illegally using the trademark "Vista".
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> its just patent trolling....
[02:44] <Voyage_> hmm
[02:44] <pchilds> Is there a utility for kubuntu that can encrypt individual directaries ?
[02:44] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i'm attempting to boot in single-user mode now
[02:44] <imagine> yes and everyone sues everyone nowadays, ..you shouldn't use the word Vista anymore unless you have a letter from little Bill that says you can or you'll get sued as well
[02:45] <Voyage_> :)
[02:45] <hikaricore> Yea but i copyrighted that letter.
[02:45] <hikaricore> So blam
[02:45] <imagine> vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista, vista
[02:45] <imagine> viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstttttttttttttttttttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[02:45] <pchilds> haha Vista some more. lol
[02:45] <imagine> hahaha
[02:45] <buhuai> cao! use vista ?meiyou juewu
[02:45] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i was *not* in the sudo group.
[02:46] <imagine> buhuai: the hell?
[02:46] <jujimufu> When I first installed kubuntu, I had managed to pair my cellphone and my pc just fine. But now, I've installed some apps such as gammu, gnome-bluetooth, wammu, bluez-utils and some others (which I don't remember), and although I can see each another, I can't pair them because the code given to the phone says it's wrong (although I am not asked for a code on the PC like I used to be asked when I first installed kubuntu)
[02:46] <jujimufu> any ideas?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: then put yourself in it...
[02:49] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: i did. trying the original issue again...
[02:50] <shadowhywind> is there a way to add a user to the root group?
[02:51] <HyperCity> !pastebin
[02:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:52] <tetrimino> can anyone help me install quake 3?
[02:52] <tetrimino> i really don't understand how im supposed to do it
[02:53] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: a dialog appears that says 'su returned an error'
[02:54] <hajhouse> nosrednaekim: yet oddly enough adding a printer seems to work now...the wizard starts. sudo had wrong permissions (not suid root) which i fixed
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> hajhouse: ok.. cool
[02:56] <kiosk> Anyone good with kmyfirewall?
[02:56] <antiroach> does anyone know how to remove the 'popouts' that happen when you launch an application in feisty fawn
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> antiroach: popouts?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> whats apps?
[02:57] <jzilla> whats the commnd to install a .deb -- is it sudo dkpg -i package.deb ?
[02:58] <antiroach> when i click on any apps in the tray (like firefox) for example for a split second i see a much bigger version of the firefox icon 'pop' out at me
[02:58] <coreymon77> antiroach: and so?
[02:59] <coreymon77> antiroach: is that really that big of a deal?
[02:59] <antiroach> and thats annoying as fuck
[02:59] <antiroach> :P
[02:59] <antiroach> i hate all the special effects and stuff in KDE. i disabled all of them
[02:59] <elbing> hi, a friend of mine without idea about english (:P) has an error with apt: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24693/
[02:59] <elbing> any idea?
[03:00] <hajhouse> where can you find the list of remebered file associationd and edit it?
[03:00] <antiroach> hajhouse configure -> konqueror -> file associations
[03:00] <coreymon77> elbing: what language does you friend speak?
[03:00] <elbing> spanish
[03:01] <elbing> we are in #kubuntu-es
[03:01] <coreymon77> there is a spanish channel
[03:01] <coreymon77> antiroach: okay, so just disable it all, that should take care of it
[03:01] <elbing> but nobody (between presents) knows about that glib error
[03:01] <jujimufu> !obexserver
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about obexserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <jujimufu> !search obex
[03:01] <ubotu> Found:
[03:01] <elbing> google tells about bug reports and somthing about dektop-utils, but didn't work
[03:01] <antiroach> coreymon77 there are several places to dispable the special effects. i have not been able to find how/where to disable that 'popout' crap
[03:02] <hajhouse> antiroach: thanks
[03:02] <jujimufu> how do I search for a package named obexserver?
[03:02] <antiroach> jujimufu apt-cache search <name>
[03:03] <jujimufu> antiroach: what I mean is, I know there is a package named obexserver, because I've seen guides on the internet which say "do apt-get install obexserver", but I can't find it when I do "sudo aptitude search obex".
[03:04] <antiroach> oh
[03:04] <antiroach> you probably have to figure out which repository it can be found in. add the repository to sources.list and do apt-get update
[03:06] <coreymon77> antiroach: my guess is its in the panel options
[03:06] <antiroach> yeah i looked. i cant find it
[03:06] <antiroach> jujimufu do a apt-cache search obex
[03:06] <antiroach> and see if any of those things in there resemble what you want
[03:06] <antiroach> maybe
[03:06] <antiroach> libopenobex1 - OBEX protocol library
[03:06] <antiroach> libopenobex1-dev - OBEX protocol library - development files
[03:06] <coreymon77> antiroach: enable mouseover effects?
[03:06] <spruleme> i'm trying to install these drivers http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/build.html , i've tried all the kernel source dirs i can find and this won't let me install to the kernel, whats the path to the kernel with kubuntu?
[03:06] <antiroach> coreymon77 thats disabled
[03:08] <antiroach> coreymon77 this behavior also happens when im browsing stuff in konqueror
[03:08] <antiroach> like when i switch folders and stuff
[03:08] <coreymon77> antiroach: have you looked throughout the appearance settings?
[03:08] <antiroach> yep
[03:09] <antiroach> it has to exist cuz i bet it would drive too many people insane if there was no way to change it heh
[03:10] <coreymon77> antiroach: not really, most people dont care
[03:10] <antiroach> um ok
[03:10] <antiroach> still doesnt help me heh
[03:10] <coreymon77> antiroach: try this
[03:10] <antiroach> it didnt do this in edgy nor dapper
[03:11] <coreymon77> antiroach: settings-keyboard and mouse-mouse-visual feedback on activation
[03:12] <antiroach> wow
[03:12] <antiroach> i love you
[03:12] <antiroach> i would have never even thought to look there.
[03:12] <coreymon77> antiroach: neiter would i
[03:12] <coreymon77> antiroach: but i figured that it was worth a shot
[03:12] <antiroach> and i dont even see how that description means that
[03:12] <antiroach> but thanks anyways!
[03:13] <antiroach> err. but anyways thanks!
[03:13] <coreymon77> antiroach: was that it?
[03:13] <antiroach> yep
[03:13] <coreymon77> antiroach: oh
[03:13] <antiroach> hence the <antiroach> wow
 i love you
[03:13] <antiroach> :)
[03:13] <coreymon77> oka
[03:13] <coreymon77> y
[03:14] <intelikey> why can't you use exclamation point in dubble quoted statements without escaping it ?
[03:15] <coreymon77> intelikey: what do you mean?
[03:15] <intelikey> example   : "test !"     or  echo "no !"
[03:15] <coreymon77> intelikey:  becuse maybe then it doesnt recognize the statement?
[03:16] <coreymon77> intelikey: i dunno, jsut guessing
[03:16] <antiroach> cuz ! is a bash shell command
[03:16] <coreymon77> or that
[03:16] <crimsun> ! is significant as a builtin to many shells
[03:16] <intelikey> echo "ERROR: $i returned an error !"
[03:16] <antiroach> just escape it. problem solved :)
[03:17] <coreymon77> ya
[03:17] <coreymon77> sometimes things are the way they are and you jsut have to live with them
[03:17] <intelikey> coreymon77 not on my box  :)
[03:18] <intelikey> this is linux.  i'll recompile bash if i have too...  :)
[03:20] <crimsun> most modern shells have builtins for !, so contextually it's not a literal ! unless escaped.  If you want ! to always work as a literal, you need a pure POSIX sh with no extensions
[03:20] <crimsun> for instance, dash does this on a Debian-based install
[03:21] <crimsun> (and Ubuntu by extension)
[03:21] <intelikey> crimsun hmmm ok.   thanks.
[03:22] <wers> what's the best app to replace KNetworkManager?
[03:22] <intelikey> that makes sense in more places than just " ! "    i may look into using dash exclusively  for scripting
[03:24] <CyberHaw1> hi.. how to login as root in kubuntu
[03:24] <intelikey> sudo -i
[03:24] <CyberHaw1> yeah i want to login to kde
[03:25] <intelikey> no can do without changing some things
[03:25] <CyberHaw1> how to do that, how to allow GDM permissions
[03:25] <intelikey> CyberHaw1 edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[03:26] <intelikey> CyberHaw1 i suppose you have set a root password ?    and let me caution that some things won't work for root.
[03:27] <CyberHaw1> thanks but the issue is that i have a usb drive
[03:27] <CyberHaw1> each time i plug it in
[03:28] <CyberHaw1> i need to su root and then load it maually
[03:28] <antiroach> you can sudo -s
[03:28] <intelikey> much easier to write a script and set sudoers to allow it without passwd
[03:32] <CyberHaw1> hmm...
[03:32] <antiroach> allow your user to mount
[03:32] <antiroach> and you should be fine
[03:32] <CyberHaw1> is their some permission that i can give to the user
[03:32] <intelikey> must be a thousand ways to clober a cammel, but some of them will get you spitted on...
[03:32] <antiroach> lol
[03:32] <CyberHaw1> i don't see a mount group to add
[03:32] <intelikey> it would be usb  or  disks
[03:34] <CyberHaw1> i tried disk it does not do any thing
[03:39] <Arwen> um, because it's insecure?
[03:41] <intelikey> and yes i can think of several reasons it's unsafe,  almost as   %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:41] <CyberHaw1> time to go bye, thanks for the help intelikey
[03:41] <CyberHaw1> bye
[03:41] <intelikey> Arwen it's only unsafe if a malicious user gets ahold of it...  :)
[03:41] <SillyZ> thinking about moving up the food chain a bit to kubuntu from ubuntu, any specific advantages im going to gain in Kubuntu other than KDE ?
[03:42] <Arwen> SillyZ, no
[03:42] <intelikey> better support ?
[03:42] <intelikey> :)
[03:42] <SillyZ> hopefully intelikey
[03:42] <Arwen> in fact, you lose all those custom config tools that are written for Ubuntu
[03:42] <SillyZ> well a lil better support for the loss of some scripts I think is well worth it
[03:42] <SillyZ> #ubuntu is bout a nightmare
[03:43] <intelikey> yeah it really is.   i needs an overflow  and limit set at about 500
[03:43] <Arwen> ye..
[03:44] <SillyZ> anyone running on a Dell E-1705 by chance?
[03:44] <SillyZ> got a philips dvdr/rw drive, can burn but its like the disc is blank after burning
[03:45] <intelikey> burner not set in dummy mode is it ?
[03:45] <intelikey> dummy mode does every thing except turn the lazor on.
[03:46] <intelikey> burner/burning app
[03:47] <SillyZ> nope
[03:47] <SillyZ> made sure of that
[03:47] <antiroach> did you try ejecting and putting the disc back in
[03:47] <antiroach> after burning
[03:48] <intelikey> did you look closely at the disk to see if it was burned or no ?
[03:48] <intelikey> well on cdr
[03:48] <SillyZ> yup
[03:48] <SillyZ> cdr's are fine, its only dvd's thats the problem
[03:48] <SillyZ> and yes, im making sure its set to dvd-5 not dvd-9
[03:49] <intelikey> !dvd
[03:49] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:49] <SillyZ> playing is fine
[03:49] <SillyZ> burning is the problem
[03:49] <intelikey> yeah i thought there as a link there about burning
[03:49] <intelikey> the infonodes don't last long....
[03:51] <antiroach> what prog do you use to burn
[03:51] <SillyZ> k ill check it out
[03:51] <SillyZ> gnomebaker atm
[03:51] <antiroach> oh. i use k3b :)
[03:51] <SillyZ> Im still in ubuntu, but I have Kubuntnu downloading now
[03:51] <antiroach> cool
[03:51] <timmay> anyone know of a way I can view IE specific webpages in kubuntu?
[03:52] <intelikey> tell your browser to ident itself as ie ?
[03:52] <timmay> how?
[03:52] <intelikey> in the settings  from the dropdown menu
[03:53] <intelikey> it's kinda browser specific
[03:53] <intelikey> and i don't use ff
[03:54] <timmay> ok
[03:55] <intelikey> doesn't look like very many of the "real help" here right now so you're stuck with us second class citicens
[03:55] <intelikey> errr crimsun excepted
[03:57] <intelikey> Daskreech live cd today ?
[03:57] <WillJitsu> I'm trying to install kubuntu on a HD that already has WinXP. I resize the WinXP partition using Partition Magic and I have 38GB of unallocated space.  When I boot from the kubuntu CD, it loads up, and I hit enter for Install.  It goes through the motions, then gets an error about unable to authenticate the user then xwindows pops up.  Says something about a critical error, I hit OK, then I have a login/pass prompt.  Any ideas what
[03:57] <Daskreech> intelikey: Every day
[03:58] <intelikey> WillJitsu bad disk
[03:58] <SillyZ> did ya md5sum that iso image ya downloaded ?
[03:58] <SillyZ> sounds like a bad disc
[03:58] <WillJitsu> hmm...  what's a good md5 checker?
[03:58] <SillyZ> uhm md5sum filename
[03:59] <WillJitsu> for windows
[03:59] <Arwen> WillJitsu, um....
[03:59] <SillyZ> md5sum-Win32
[03:59] <Arwen> when you boot the CD, there's an option "check for errors"
[03:59] <Arwen> and yeah, for Windows, you want "md5sum.exe"
[03:59] <SillyZ> ya thats it, md5sum.exe
[04:01] <WillJitsu> 1ad3c003dbcbe27b3265da23b886d047 *kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:01] <WillJitsu> what do i check that against?
[04:01] <Arwen> WillJitsu, WRONG. you check the files on the CD you burned
[04:01] <Daskreech> Arwen: What?
[04:01] <Daskreech> Arwen: he's right
[04:01] <Arwen> "md5sum -c <drive/mount point>/md5sums.txt"
[04:01] <Daskreech> Arwen: :-P
[04:02] <Arwen> Daskreech, no, because checking your ISO file doesn't determine whether or not you misburned it
[04:02] <Arwen> only if you downloaded a bad file
[04:02] <Daskreech> Arwen: lets take it one step at a time :)
[04:02] <WillJitsu> Arwen: well shouldn't I start with whether I downloaded a good file?
[04:02] <intelikey> anyone know where documentation for dash would be ?
[04:02] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: What's the name of the ISO fil?
[04:02] <Daskreech> intelikey: /dev/null ?
[04:02] <intelikey> Daskreech seems to be   yeah
[04:02] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: I just pasted it.  kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:02] <Arwen> WillJitsu, eh... whatever
[04:03] <Arwen> intelikey, um, /usr/share/doc/dash ?
[04:03] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: http://bw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/MD5SUMS
[04:03] <Daskreech> man -k
[04:04] <Daskreech> WillJitsu:  that should help.
[04:04] <intelikey> Arwen and you have this dir ?
[04:04] <Arwen> yea
[04:04] <WillJitsu> well it looks like i downloaded a good file
[04:04] <intelikey> Arwen mmmm well i don't.   dapper must not have had that yet
[04:05] <Arwen> dash is part of bash (hint hint)
[04:05] <jwallingford> ok i have the files from .thunderbird directory that i backed up from a suse distro. I am now on kubuntu and have firefox 1.5. Is there a way to use the backed up email, accounts, and contacts from the v2 dir? I tried this before by just deleating what is in the .mozilla-thunderbird direcotry and putting in the backed up files from the .thunderbird directory. When I did this I could see my mail and accounts however I was
[04:05] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: when that checks out :) boot up and the first meu will give you an option to check the CD run that and when it fails reburn the Cd try a slower speed maybe or a new brand of CD-r
[04:05] <jwallingford> getting some odd error which i cant remember off of the top of my head
[04:05] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: will do. thanks again :)
[04:05] <Arwen> jwallingford, in english please,,,
[04:05] <intelikey> Arwen no.  dash not part of bash  i.e. bash docs have a lot that doesn't apply in dash
[04:05] <Daskreech> jwallingford: you have Tbird 2.0 ?
[04:06] <Arwen> intelikey, eh, my /usr/share/doc/dash/copyright says it is
[04:06] <Daskreech> Arwen: a subset of bash doesn't mean part of
[04:06] <Daskreech> I would guess
[04:06] <Arwen> hmm
[04:06] <jwallingford> sorry no i have tbird 1.5 right now. I had tbird 2.0 before
[04:07] <jwallingford> by .thunderbird directory i have backed up on a dvd is from tbird 2 and im trying to get all of my files back onto tbird 1.5
[04:07] <Daskreech> Arwen: ha ha that looks like reuse of code. I'll try find out and let you know
[04:07] <Arwen> jwallingford, copy the actual mail and accounts parts. Don't copy the mail.
[04:07] <Arwen> Don't copy the extensions*
[04:07] <Arwen> or the config
[04:08] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Right You can find a Tbird 2.0 deb and install it
[04:09] <jwallingford> i have kubuntu 64bit and have been very unsuccessful in getting tbird 2.0 to install :)
[04:09] <intelikey> crap search on tldp.org   "your search for 'dash' does not match any documentation"
[04:09] <jwallingford> i wish i could have tbird 2
[04:10] <intelikey> ah  ^  with docs.
[04:10] <Daskreech> intelikey: I thought the point of dash was that it is posix
[04:10] <intelikey> catch the last line  there ^
[04:11] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:12] <intelikey> i'd kinda like to have a real sh  if you know what i mean.
[04:12] <Daskreech> jwallingford: check getdeb.net
[04:12] <ahmed> guys any way to have a vedio background in ubuntu as in vista ?
[04:12] <Ace2016> Hi all
[04:12] <ahmed> ??
[04:12] <Ace2016> anyone know an app that can send stuf into the tray?
[04:13] <Ace2016> ahmed: you mean play a video as the wallpaper?
[04:13] <ahmed> yea
[04:13] <maddops770> Anyone here using a higher end NVIDIA Card?
[04:13] <ahmed> Ace2016: ??
[04:13] <Ace2016> maddops770: define higher end?
[04:14] <maddops770> 8800GT 320MB
[04:14] <Daskreech> ahmed: I think that you can do that with any video
[04:14] <Daskreech> ahmed: With a little command line fu :)
[04:14] <SillyZ> Nvidia GO-7800 here
[04:15] <SillyZ> what ya wanna know maddops770 ?
[04:15] <jwallingford> Daskreech: thunderbird isnt on the getdeb.net site
[04:15] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Hmm
[04:16] <jwallingford> http://pastebin.ca/552035  this link will show you the files i have backed up from tbrid 2
[04:16] <ahmed> Daskreech:  give an example for command line fu
[04:16] <Ace2016> ahmed: is this what your after?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=350089
[04:17] <jwallingford> and here is what i have in my .mozilla-thunderbird 1.5 dir
[04:17] <jwallingford> what do I do with the extra folders?
[04:17] <jwallingford> do they have anything i need in them?
[04:17] <ahmed> its a screen saver
[04:17] <ahmed> well i wana to place a .avi or .wmv or so video as a background
[04:18] <Daskreech> jwallingford: http://www.computechgroup.com/?p=358
[04:20] <jwallingford> Daskreech: should i remove firefox 1.5 before I do this?
[04:20] <Ace2016> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kwrap?content=54046&PHPSESSID=4d59bc04877a951068726973cba5aad7
[04:21] <Daskreech> jwallingford: are you on Kubuntu?
[04:21] <Ace2016> ahmed: try that
[04:21] <jwallingford> yes
[04:21] <jwallingford> 64bit
[04:21] <Daskreech> jwallingford: don't think it makes a difference. It might break ubuntu but Kubuntu doesn't have a huge gtk reliance
[04:22] <ahmed> Ace2016:  thx, dun have kde though
[04:22] <jwallingford> Daskreech: i dont know. I tried installing tbird 2 before and had a lot of issues.
[04:22] <jwallingford> but i guess i can try this one
[04:22] <Ace2016> ;|
[04:23] <ahmed> Ace2016:  i extracted it and ended with a kmdr file ,, wats that ?
[04:24] <Ace2016> its for kommander
[04:24] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Why do you have FF 1.5?
[04:24] <Daskreech> Feisty comes with 2
[04:24] <jwallingford> Daskreech: because that is all that is available with
[04:24] <jwallingford> Daskreech: it does?
[04:24] <intelikey> yeah why do you have ff ?
[04:24] <intelikey> oh that wasn't the question was it...
[04:25] <jwallingford> you mean tb not ff
[04:25] <jwallingford> whats wrong with ff and tb?
[04:25] <intelikey> i'm just raz'n ya
[04:25] <Daskreech> jwallingford: You asked if you shoudl get rid of Firefox 1.5
[04:25] <jwallingford> and why is it that when i goto adept it doesnt have tb 2 available?
[04:25] <Daskreech> Feisty comes with FF2
[04:25] <jwallingford> oh i ment tbird
[04:26] <Ace2016> xwinwrap -ni -o 0.6 -fs -s -st -sp -b -nf -- mplayer -wid WID -quiet -loop 0 /home/plun/Desktop/DreamScene/aurora8x6.wmv    yea that seems to be it for running stuff
[04:26] <Daskreech> jwallingford: Oh then .. sure I think
[04:26] <jwallingford> i have ff2 i need tb2 :)
[04:26] <Daskreech> remove dont' purge
[04:28] <jwallingford> Daskreech: ok i followed dir on http://www.computechgroup.com/?p=358 and when i type thunderbird into konsole i get: bash: thunderbird: command not found
[04:28] <jwallingford> i followed dir exactly "copy, paste"
[04:28] <agent> Is there a way to disable sorting of files and folders in Konqueror?
[04:29] <intelikey> agent sort by dir order ?
[04:30] <agent> intelikey: Yes and no. Not only by dir, but by file. I would like to not have any sorting done. My goal is to have Konqueror act like the Desktop where unless it is told to otherwise, it does not sort any files or folders and saves their positioning.
[04:31] <intelikey> agent dir order is "unsorted"  lists in the order they were created
[04:32] <Ace2016> intelikey: i think he wants the positions of icons saved
[04:32] <intelikey> you mean un-alined ?
[04:32] <intelikey> don't know about that...
[04:33] <agent> Ace2016: That is what I would like.
[04:34] <agent> intelikey: Yes, un-aligned. Like on the KDE desktop.
[04:34] <Daskreech> agent: try Gnome
[04:34] <Ace2016> someone in #kde might know but i don't  think its possible
[04:34] <intelikey> don't know anything about it agent   never tried.
[04:34] <Daskreech> Gnome has a spatial desktop
[04:34] <agent> Daskreech: No thank you. :)
[04:34] <Daskreech> sounds like you used to use Mac
[04:34] <agent> Ace2016: Yeah, I do not think it is possible either.
[04:35] <Daskreech> agent: ask in #kde :-)
[04:35] <intelikey> agent you could use nautilus for that    wouldn't have to be all of gnome.
[04:35] <jwallingford> Daskreech: ok how do I undo what was done from http://www.computechgroup.com/?p=358
[04:35] <jwallingford> its not working
[04:35] <agent> Daskreech: No. I just wanted to play around with neat file navigation ideas. Sort of like lowfat.
[04:36] <Daskreech> jwallingford: remove the folder from /opt
[04:36] <Ace2016> jwallingford: what do you mean its not working do you get an error?
[04:36] <jwallingford> yes
[04:36] <Daskreech> agent: install lowfat :-P :)
[04:37] <jwallingford> Daskreech: bash: thunderbird: command not found
[04:39] <maddops770> Does anyone hav any experience installing the AMD64 driver for Nvidia for the higher end cards 100.xx.xx
[04:39] <agent> intelikey: But Konqueror is much more powerful: split windows, embedding, built in 'quicky' terminal, etc.. I was just trying to see if I could expand it further with minimal coding. ;) And yes, I can install lowfat (and have), but that's not the point. If I wanted lowfat I wouldn't have bothered trying to do something somewhat similar in Konqueror. I was hoping it may be easy to add a compositing file preview or something of tha
[04:39] <agent> No big deal though.
[04:40] <Daskreech> jwallingford: is it in your path?
[04:40] <intelikey> agent jucato would be a good one to discuss that with.  unfortunately he's absent without leave
[04:41] <agent> intelikey: Is jucato a KDE developer?
[04:41] <Lam_> where does KDE Menu Editor save its entry files? one of my entries refuses to save so i'm going to edit it manually
[04:41] <jwallingford> Daskreech: its not in /opt
[04:41] <Daskreech> jwallingford: where did you extract it to?
[04:42] <intelikey> agent developer yes.  kde specific no.
[04:42] <jwallingford> I just copied and past the code from that site. I thought it installed it :)
[04:42] <Daskreech> agent: you should really be trying hit up dolphin :)
[04:43] <Daskreech> jwallingford: ha ha can you do history | tail 20  then pastebin it?
[04:43] <intelikey> :)
[04:43] <jwallingford> haha wow im dumb. forgot to extract
[04:44] <jwallingford> Daskreech: ok this is the error i get and have been getting when i try to launch thunderbird: /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: 424: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: not found
[04:44] <Daskreech> or copy and paste eh? :-)
[04:45] <agent> Daskreech: Why? Dolphin is a "simplified" file manager. Konqueror is the more "advanced" file manager. Seems like Konqueror is the best bet for such things. Not to mention that it already has more functionality than any other file manager on KDE or GNOME which would make things easier.
[04:47] <Daskreech> agent: they share code in any case so anything in one will find it's way into he other but dolphin is considered more experimental so I'd advise hitting up devs in #kde4-devel with the idea
[04:47] <mike_> i have no maximize/minimize buttons in beryl?
[04:47] <Daskreech> jwallingford: I'm not sure waht you have done so .. I'd say figure out where you extracted it
[04:47] <jwallingford> i did figure it out its in /opt
[04:47] <agent> Daskreech: Thank you for the tips!
[04:47] <Daskreech> !beryl
[04:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:48] <Daskreech> jwallingford: in thunderbird ?
[04:48] <jwallingford> i extracted all files to /opt/thunderbird
[04:48] <Daskreech> agent: sure. Hope you get it into testing. I'd hate it but it's bound to attract some Fruits :)
[04:49] <Daskreech> jwallingford: cool find thunderbird-bin under that
[04:49] <jwallingford> but when i run thunderbird in konsole i get: /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: 424: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: not found
[04:49] <jwallingford> ok
[04:49] <jwallingford> Daskreech: Ok I see thunderbird-bin
[04:50] <Daskreech> jwallingford: what is the path to it?
[04:50] <jwallingford>  opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin
[04:51] <intelikey> ~/opt ?
[04:51] <Daskreech> jwallingford: opt or /opt ?
[04:51] <jwallingford>  /opt sorry
[04:53] <jwallingford> the only thing i see on google about this is written in german or something
[04:53] <Daskreech> the link I gave you was in English :)
[04:53] <Daskreech> jwallingford: there is a /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh I guess ?
[04:54] <jwallingford> Daskreech: I know. That is how I installed tbird 2... i followed those dir's exactly and now i am getting this error. the only pages on google i could find about this error were in german
[04:54] <Daskreech> what are you doing to run thunderbird?
[04:54] <Daskreech> Just typing thunderbird ?
[04:55] <jwallingford> yes
[04:55] <jwallingford> should i try and run mozilla-installer-bin? thats in the thunderbird dir
[04:56] <Daskreech> jwallingford: What happens if you just run thunderbird-bin directly
[04:56] <Daskreech> hi mike_
[04:57] <Corpis> does kubuntu have makeinstall?
[04:57] <Daskreech> !b-e | Corpis
[04:57] <ubotu> Corpis: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:58] <jwallingford> what do i need to do to run thunderbird-bin? if i just type in thunderbird-bin in konsold i get bash: thunderbird-bin: command not found
[04:58] <Daskreech> jwallingford: use the full path
[04:58] <jwallingford> i am in the thunderbird dir
[04:59] <jwallingford> bash: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: No such file or directory
[04:59] <Daskreech> jwallingford: I thought you said there was one there?
[05:00] <jwallingford> there is :)
[05:01] <jwallingford> http://rafb.net/p/mjQ80H21.html
[05:01] <jwallingford> those are all of the files in the /opt/thunderbird dir
[05:01] <jwallingford>  ls -l
[05:02] <zach__> Greets, everyone...
[05:02] <jwallingford> hello
[05:03] <jwallingford> zach__:
[05:04] <Daskreech> jwallingford: did you rerun the last three lines from the article after you extracted the tarball?
[05:04] <zach__> I'm switching the family desktop at my aunt's over to Kubuntu, and I want all the users to have the same settings. Would it be safe to just log into each account and copy the contents of the home folder for the one I already set up into that user's home folder? (Sorry for the stilted wording, not sure how else to put it.)
[05:05] <jwallingford> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.trogu.it/2007/04/25/installare-thunderbird-2-su-ubuntu-704/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D/opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh:%2B424:%2B/opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin:%2Bnot%2Bfound%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:official%26hs%3DXiB
[05:06] <zach__> e.g., Set up everything the way I want it for Zach's account, log into Connor's account, and copy everything from /home/zach/ into /home/connor - Would that cause problems?
[05:06] <Daskreech> zach__: set the settings that you want in /etc/skel before you start making users
[05:07] <Daskreech> zach__: all new users get the settings from /etc/skel
[05:07] <jwallingford> Daskreech: yes i did
[05:08] <zach__> Daskreech: Not sure if I follow you. So should I just do "sudo cp -R /home/zach/* /etc/skel" and then set up the accounts?
[05:09] <Daskreech> jwallingford: what do you get if you do a cd /opt/thunderbird ; ./thunderbird
[05:09] <Daskreech> zach__: do you plan to have an account for you?
[05:10] <lostchild> Hello! Does anyone have any experience with ISPConfig?
[05:10] <zach__> Umm... I've already set mostly everything up for Zach
[05:10] <zach__> But that account's already in place, if that's what you're asking (it's the one that was used during installation)
[05:10] <jwallingford> ./run-mozilla.sh: 424: ./thunderbird-bin: not found
[05:11] <lostchild> I could use a hand with a login problem I've run in to, can anyone help?
[05:12] <Daskreech> zach__: Right. That account is setup the way you want all others to be setup ?
[05:13] <zach__> Daskreech: Right.
[05:13] <intelikey> lostchild say it
[05:13] <lostchild> Thank you!
[05:14] <Daskreech> zach__: cp -R ~zach/* ~zach/.* /etc/skel
[05:14] <lostchild> I recently installed ISPConfig, got it and all it's services running. Then I decided I would remove the username prefix.
[05:14] <intelikey> ????   ~zach  is the name ?
[05:14] <Daskreech> zach__: though you may want a backup of the default /etc/skel first
[05:14] <Daskreech> intelikey: that's the impression I got
[05:14] <zach__> Daskreech: Will do. Thanks a lot, that's a huge help.
[05:15] <lostchild> So naturally I had to delete the username and recreate it, with that done, I can no longer login at the shell with that user
[05:15] <Daskreech> zach__: I would say make a backup of /etc/skel first. If you make a huge error somewhere you can always restore that
[05:15] <jwallingford> Daskreech: give up on me?
[05:15] <intelikey> zach__ just a note.   ~zach != ~/zach
[05:15] <lostchild> The machine simply kicks me back to the login prompt. Ubuntu 7.04 Server
[05:16] <zach__> intelikey: I know. Thanks. :-)
[05:16] <zach__> Alright, cool. Thanks again, Daskreech. G'nite.
[05:17] <ciccio> hello!
[05:17] <intelikey> lostchild grep <username> /etc/passwd
[05:17] <lostchild> Hmm one sec
[05:17] <ciccio> Can yuo speack italian
[05:17] <intelikey> !it
[05:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:17] <Daskreech> jwallingford: you have done something wrong :) not sure what.
[05:18] <ciccio> tanks
[05:18] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu
[05:18] <Daskreech> jwallingford: can you grep thunderbird-bin /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
[05:18] <lostchild> If it lists /bin/false does that indicate that the user has no home directory or shell associated with it?
[05:18] <intelikey> that indicates the user has no shell
[05:18] <Daskreech> lostchild: it means the user will be logged out as soon as they login
[05:19] <intelikey> you login and it runs /bin/false as your shell
[05:19] <lostchild> Yes, thank you both!
[05:19] <jwallingford> Daskreech: I dont know how to grep
[05:20] <intelikey> you can login without a home.  it will failsafe to /  but you can't login without a shell
[05:20] <Daskreech> jwallingford:grep thunderbird-bin /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
[05:20] <lostchild> I haven't been very successful at finding user management information for Ubuntu
[05:20] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu, I did remove it but keeps sayinI still vave installed, any idea where to start digging?
[05:20] <Daskreech> lostchild: It's the same as Linux in general.
[05:20] <intelikey> lostchild man useradd    man usermod    man userdel
[05:21] <jwallingford> Daskreech: when i do that nothing happens
[05:21] <lostchild> I thought as much, also I'm still learning Linux, most of my experience is with Unix and M$
[05:21] <Daskreech> jwallingford: then why...
[05:21] <jwallingford> Daskreech: http://rafb.net/p/oVMXP433.html
[05:21] <intelikey> lostchild there is a 'groups & users'  GUI as well in kde
[05:22] <lostchild> Yes, but gui's require resources I cannot spare, and I like the command line.
[05:22] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu, I did remove it but keeps sayinI still vave installed, any idea where to start digging?
[05:23] <al_> Hi all, I am using VM_ware and I can not remove vmwaretools from my ubuntu, I did remove it but keeps saying I still have installed, any idea where to start digging?
[05:23] <intelikey> lostchild i stand under you.
[05:23] <Daskreech> al_: how did you install it?
[05:23] <lostchild> Thank you that worked! Mostly I needed a sounding board and the users in the #Ubuntu room were not very helpful.
[05:23] <al_> rpm
[05:24] <Daskreech> al_: eh?
[05:24] <al_> rpm converted
[05:24] <al_> with alien
[05:24] <rodrigo_> hello
[05:25] <rodrigo_> does anybody
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Hmm. vmware tools is a package you install on the OS in the virtual machine isent it?
[05:25] <intelikey> Mem usage: 33/250 MB (13%)      running audacity in blackbox digitizing casett tape to .ogg audio    as we speak....
[05:25] <Daskreech> al_: what does which vmware say ?
[05:25] <rodrigo_> can help me installing cinerela
[05:25] <lostchild> intelikey: Do you have much experience with email servers?
[05:25] <rodrigo_> Im a newby in linux
[05:25] <Dr_willis> there was no need to use the rpm package either I belive they got debs
[05:25] <Daskreech> !cinelera
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cinelera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <rodrigo_> I need some to guide me to the process of installation
[05:25] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: can you join #ubuntustudio ?
[05:26] <al_> yep, I am using ubuntu on a vmware machine, I installed the vmware tools but did not work so I want to completelly remove it
[05:26] <rodrigo_> daskreech that's for media?
[05:26] <intelikey> lostchild no.  sorry.   i did kinda set one up one time with fetchmail and sendmail  but that was just a learing exp.   nothing more.
[05:26] <lostchild> Or you Daskreech?
[05:26] <rodrigo_> useres
[05:26] <Dr_willis> al_,  odd. ive had it work befor for me.
[05:26] <wsjunior> what's the reason that kubuntu comes with openoffice installed by default instead koffice?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> al_,  but i did use the debs
[05:26] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: No they are an Ubuntu derivative who have extensive cinelera experience
[05:26] <Daskreech> lostchild: sorry?
[05:26] <rodrigo_> ok thanks daskreech
[05:26] <rodrigo_> !
[05:27] <Daskreech> wsjunior: we are moving to a koffice by default
[05:27] <intelikey> Daskreech he asked about mailserver exp.
[05:27] <lostchild> No problem, I was just wondering.
[05:27] <lostchild> brb
[05:27] <Daskreech> Soon as it catches up some more with Oo.o for compatibilty
[05:27] <Daskreech> !email
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about email - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <al_> ok, let me explain a little more. I had only one rpm so I used alien to conver it to deb... the I installed the deb and failed
[05:27] <Daskreech> Dumb bot
[05:27] <Daskreech> al_: vmware is on the servers
[05:27] <Daskreech> !vmware
[05:27] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[05:28] <Dr_willis> al_,  last i looked. I used the vmware 'install vmware tools' feature and it mounted a cd image that had the deb packages.
[05:28] <wsjunior> Daskreech: U mean .doc support?!
[05:28] <rodrigo_> also any one can help me to install my Lexmark
[05:28] <rodrigo_> scanner printer?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> I dont use alien, so cant help ya with alien-removeable-packages issues. sorry
[05:28] <Daskreech> al_: and if you add the commercial repos then you get more stuff I think
[05:28] <Daskreech> wsjunior: I'm not sure I got the feeling it was overall support
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Daskreech,  hes installing the vmware tools on a ubuntu install inside a vmware session. :) is what i think hes doing.
[05:28] <Daskreech> wsjunior: for example kexi has much better .mdb support so it's installed by default
[05:29] <Daskreech> Dr_willis: ah that's out of my scope
[05:29] <al_> ok, I'll give a try to the links.
[05:29] <al_> yeap I know I screw it up lol, I just want to fix the mess... thanks for the help ya all
[05:30] <intelikey> "the only way people should ever run linux is inside a vertual machine in windows"
[05:31] <al_> yep, that is what i have a windows runing vmware to get rid of windows :-(
[05:31] <al_> I can not remove windows on this very one machine ... thanks again
[05:37] <el> hello
[05:37] <Daskreech> al_: Sorry I couldn't help
[05:37] <Daskreech> jwallingford: What directory are you in?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Has anyone downloaded falconseye?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> It's a nethack clone with a GI, it lags for some reason though.
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Any thoughts?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> And it skips right to Pick a role
[05:40] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: I grabbed it when it just came out like a year and half ago or something
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Never mind, it's running smooth now >.>
[05:40] <K-Ryan> I played the Windows version way back
[05:40] <K-Ryan> And found it in the repos the other day
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Usually I'm not into rogue likes just because of the difficulty, but with a GI it's easier
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Except for DOOM The Rogue-Like
[05:41] <K-Ryan> That's fun =)
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Nice and simple...
[05:41] <K-Ryan> And now it's lagging again -.-
[05:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[05:42] <Daskreech> may want to do some metrics to see what's being eaten up
[05:42] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[05:43] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: watch the system guard and see if Memory or CPU or Disk spikes when it lags
[05:43] <K-Ryan> Well the thing is, only the app lags
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Everything else runs fine
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Like Konversation while chatting
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Or Amarok playing music
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Of course with the except of Konversation I turned it all off
[05:44] <K-Ryan> But still, *shrug*
[05:44] <K-Ryan> I think it's the music
[05:44] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: Yeah LInux is really cool when it comes to stuff lilke that
[05:44] <K-Ryan> How do I turn it off?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> As in, what would I tack onto "falconseye" to disable sound, if you know.
[05:45] <K-Ryan> Can't find an ingame option to turn it off
[05:46] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: read the man page on it
[05:46] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:46] <mattrperry> I have a couple of questions that I'm hoping someone can direct me on...
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Ask away
[05:47] <lostchild> Does anyone have any experience with ISPConfig and postfix?
[05:47] <lostchild> matperry: shoot
[05:47] <lostchild> mattperry* sorry
[05:47] <Daskreech> lostchild: if you apt-get postfix it should be good to go as long as you have a proper setup hostname
[05:47] <mattrperry> can someone point me in the right direction as to how to find out how to make sure that adept update runs at startup when using beryl/kubuntu?
[05:48] <Daskreech> mattrperry: startup of the computer or on login ?
[05:48] <mattrperry> login
[05:48] <jwallingford> Daskreech: /opt/thunderbird
[05:48] <Daskreech> !autostart | mattrperry
[05:48] <ubotu> mattrperry: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:49] <Daskreech> jwallingford: what does ./thunderbird do ?
[05:49] <artabrahao>  what is the mc packag name?
[05:49] <intelikey> mc
[05:49] <Dr_willis> !info mc
[05:49] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[05:50] <lostchild> Daskreech right, I have it setup. When I removed the prefix from the ISPConfig settings I had to recreate my user. That was what cause my user problems. Now I can't send recieve email to that address. The server returns "Relay access denied", it was working.
[05:50] <artabrahao> when I type apt-get install mc dont find the package
[05:51] <Daskreech> artabrahao: you probably don't have universe
[05:51] <intelikey> konsole: mc    doesn't start it ?
[05:51] <intelikey> oh apt doesn't find it...   duh.
[05:52] <intelikey> !repos
[05:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:52] <jwallingford> Daskreech:  ./run-mozilla.sh: 424: ./thunderbird-bin: not found
[05:52] <artabrahao> its a fresh install, maybe repositort
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Daskreech: Homepage has nothing on it =(
[05:53] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: home page ?
[05:54] <K-Ryan> Of Falconseye
[05:54] <Daskreech> jwallingford: and ./run-mozilla.sh
[05:54] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: look at the man
[05:54] <lostchild> SIlly question, what's the command to display name server list?
[05:54] <K-Ryan> What?
[05:54] <Daskreech> K-Ryan: open konqueror and type man:/falconseye
[05:54] <mattrperry> ubotu, I am still a little green on all this...is there a list of commands somewhere that I can follow to setup the updater to auto check for updates at login etc?
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Ah!
[05:55] <Daskreech> mattrperry: adept_updater does that by default
[05:55] <K-Ryan> mattrperry: Ubotu is the information bot
[05:55] <Daskreech> mattrperry: Do you see an orange box with a Exclamation mark in the system tray ?
[05:55] <mattrperry> no
[05:56] <intelikey> Daskreech remember "beryl" there
[05:56] <mattrperry> I used to before I installed beryl
[05:56] <Daskreech> intelikey: that kills kicker ?
[05:56] <intelikey> Daskreech idk.
[05:56] <mattrperry> now that I installed beryl it doesn't come up anymore
[05:56] <Daskreech> mattrperry: ah that would be a problem :)
[05:57] <artabrahao> Why in a new installation I cant connectu via putty?
[05:57] <jwallingford> Daskreech: run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute .
[05:57] <intelikey> artabrahao kdm not listening.
[05:58] <Daskreech> jwallingford: and ./thunderbird-bin
[05:58] <Daskreech> artabrahao: install openssh
[05:59] <rodrigo> hi there
[05:59] <Daskreech> mattrperry: in autostart you can run adept_updater if you want a GUI prompt
[05:59] <intelikey> ssh is a metapackage that will install openssh-server and openssh-client
[05:59] <rodrigo> kaskreech
[05:59] <rodrigo> can you tell me how do I get into the root
[05:59] <rodrigo> in the console?
[05:59] <rodrigo> Im a newby in Linux
[05:59] <rodrigo> I want to install a program
[05:59] <intelikey> sudo -i
[05:59] <intelikey> !root | rodrigo
[05:59] <ubotu> rodrigo: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:59] <Daskreech> rodrigo: you don't need to be root to install a program most of the time
[06:00] <Daskreech> rodrigo: which program ?
[06:00] <jwallingford> Daskreech: bash: ./thunderbird-bin: No such file or directory
[06:00] <Daskreech> purpleposeidon: what's wrong with alt+left ?
[06:00] <rodrigo> daskreech cinelerra
[06:00] <intelikey> who edited that infonode ?
[06:00] <Daskreech> jwallingford: it is there though?
[06:00] <purpleposeidon> Daskreech: unspoken standards
[06:01] <intelikey> purpleposeidon khotkeys
[06:01] <mattrperry> where is autostart?
[06:01] <Daskreech> rodrigo: right
[06:01] <purpleposeidon> alt-s h
[06:01] <purpleposeidon> alt-s hback
[06:01] <intelikey> !autostart | mattrperry
[06:01] <ubotu> mattrperry: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
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[06:02] <Daskreech> mattrperry: did you read what ubotu said?
[06:02] <Daskreech>  oh :)
[06:02] <mattrperry> yes but I don't understand it
[06:02] <rodrigo> daskreech you are the first person who send me understandable info about kubuntu
[06:02] <ira> can some one tell me why my printer will only print in monochrom after selecting the correct printer in Kubunbtu ?
[06:03] <ira> I am using cups
[06:03] <Daskreech> mattrperry: in the Folder ~/.kde/Autostart you can make a link to adept_update
[06:03] <Daskreech> +r
[06:03] <Dr_willis> check the printer settings. I noticed that some times they pick odd defaults.
[06:03] <rodrigo> daskreech: so how can I use sudo for installing the program?
[06:03] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Hopefully i was the first person to talk to you
[06:03] <Daskreech> rodrigo: you spoke to #ubuntustudio already ?
[06:03] <rodrigo> daskreech: not really lol
[06:04] <rodrigo> yep nobody is out there
[06:04] <Daskreech> blast
[06:04] <jwallingford_> sorry Daskreech my wireless was interupted there for a sec.
[06:04] <Daskreech> how do you have cinelerra ?
[06:04] <rodrigo> and cause Im just a recent linuxer I don't have too much linux
[06:04] <rodrigo> culture
[06:04] <ira> Thank you my printer is selected correctly
[06:04] <jwallingford_> yes the thunderbird-bin is in the thunderbird dir
[06:05] <Daskreech> rodrigo: how did you get it? from the website ?
[06:05] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: It's there though isn't it?
[06:05] <ira> Dr_willis any other ideas?
[06:05] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: yes it is
[06:05] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: That's really wrong
[06:06] <rodrigo> daskreech: from the website
[06:06] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: who are you logged in as?
[06:06] <rodrigo> daskreech I found some installation website
[06:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok well then type sudo -i
[06:06] <Daskreech> it will ask for a password. It wants your password
[06:06] <rodrigo> daskreech: where in the console?
[06:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: affter that you can just follow the site
[06:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[06:07] <rodrigo> daskreech: thanks
[06:07] <rodrigo> daskreech: Hope it works
[06:07] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: username is jwallingford
[06:07] <Daskreech> rodrigo: as do I
[06:07] <ira> any ohter cups ideas?
[06:07] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: all the files are owned by root.
[06:07] <WillJitsu> my installation of kubuntu locked up at 51%.  I had to restart the computer.  I was installing on the same HD that I have windows xp installed.  Now the computer won't boot.  Is there any way to get back into Windows now?
[06:07] <Daskreech> It shouldn't make a stirstick of difference
[06:08] <Daskreech> but ...
[06:08] <jwallingford_> ok so i need to do sudo thunderbird?
[06:08] <ira> I went to #cups but they werent home
[06:08] <jwallingford_> same error
[06:08] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: Yeah You have a windows Cd ?
[06:08] <intelikey> shoot.  audacity doesn't delete it's temp files when you close them and it just used 100% of my hd
[06:08] <Babble> newbie question, sorta: should I be worried that the installer dialog in the 7.04 installer isn't giving me a progress bar?
[06:08] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: no you shouldn't have to
[06:08] <Babble> (it does seem to be copying/installing)
[06:08] <intelikey> that means the last 45minutes of recording will have to be redone.
[06:09] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: yeah I do.  I tried fixmbr and fixboot. neither fixed it
[06:09] <ira> Babble give it 20 min
[06:09] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: hmm.
[06:09] <Babble> ira: thanks :)
[06:10] <ira> ok no one on the cups problem?
[06:10] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: please don't tell me I'm screwed :)
[06:10] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: i dont care if i have to use kmail i just want my old emails, settings, and contacts :)
[06:11] <rodrigo_> daskreech: it didnt' work: Couldn't find package cinelerra
[06:11] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: I doubt you are we just need to figure out how much damage has been done
[06:11] <rodrigo_> daskreech I downloaded the  program and I have it in my pc
[06:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: what did you type
[06:11] <ira> I think if you get throught the kubuntu install grub will fix it
[06:12] <rodrigo_> daskreech: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_2.html#SEC18
[06:12] <rodrigo_> what says in there
[06:12] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: how soon do you need them?
[06:12] <rodrigo_> daskreech:  in how to install it in ubuntu
[06:12] <rodrigo_> with the console
[06:12] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: you are 64 bit?
[06:12] <rodrigo_> ah how I miss the windows setups!
[06:12] <ira> whats the key comment to wite the name for you here?
[06:13] <rodrigo_> no I think Im 32 bits
[06:13] <rodrigo_> processor
[06:13] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: ok and you are in feisty?
[06:13] <Daskreech> Hi Jucato :)
[06:13] <rodrigo_> I'm not really shure what is feisty but when I use the add remove programs thing it always says that feisty thing
[06:13] <Daskreech> agent wanted to talk to you
[06:14] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: i would like them right now :)
[06:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: ah ok :)
[06:14] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: I just replied a repair installation and it went through the whole thing, rebooted, and that same boot error is coming up :(
[06:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: can you tell me the name of the cinelera file that you have?
[06:14] <rodrigo_> sure
[06:14] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: no idea why I typed "replied"... I meant "ran"
[06:14] <Jucato> Daskreech: hm?
[06:14] <ira> Willjitsu can you try reinstalling Kubiuntu
[06:15] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: You ran a repair install? how did you do that?
[06:15] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: from the win xp cd
[06:15] <ira> Daskreech you can do that via the cd
[06:15] <Daskreech> Jucato: soon talk to you I'm putting out fires :)
[06:15] <rodrigo_> daskreech: sure is  cinelerra-2.1-src.tar.bz2
[06:15] <Daskreech> !info cinelerra
[06:15] <ubotu> Package cinelerra does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:15] <WillJitsu> ira: I can try, but I doubt it's gonna work.  I think it might be a bad cd or something
[06:15] <Jucato> Daskreech: hm.. ok...
[06:15] <Daskreech> !find cinelerra
[06:16] <Jucato> I might not be available for the next hour or so
[06:16] <ira> the issue is the MBR for Willjitsu
[06:16] <rodrigo_> daskreech: I feel like in the kinder garden drawing happy suns whit linux
[06:16] <ubotu> Package/file cinelerra does not exist in feisty
[06:16] <rodrigo_> daskreech: lol
[06:16] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: ok just doing some quick checks
[06:16] <ira> can you get to the command line in xp?
[06:16] <rodrigo_> daskreech: thanks
[06:16] <Daskreech> ira: he can't boot is the issue so I would guess no :)
[06:16] <WillJitsu> ira: only the recovery console from the boot cd
[06:16] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: you are on the live Cd now?
[06:16] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: no I'm on a separate winxp computer
[06:17] <ira> ok from the command line "fixboot"
[06:17] <WillJitsu> ira: I tried both fixboot and fixmbr
[06:17] <WillJitsu> ira: neither worked
[06:17] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: Ok what did they return? no errors?
[06:17] <ira> i think that works like the old fdisk /MBR
[06:17] <rodrigo_> daskreech: do you know any chanell related to printers?
[06:17] <ira> cups
[06:17] <Daskreech> !printer
[06:17] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:17] <rodrigo_> daskreech; and scaner
[06:17] <Daskreech> #cups probably
[06:18] <ira> no one is home in #cups
[06:18] <intelikey> sane for scanners
[06:18] <WillJitsu> ira: no errors, says it was written correctly
[06:18] <ira> there is one more command let me look it up
[06:18] <rodrigo_> thanks
[06:18] <WillJitsu> ira: I think you're thinking of FIXMBR.  I tried it too :(
[06:18] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: what kind of computer do you have? Intel Amd?
[06:19] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: what error do you get?
[06:19] <ira> kixmbr is the other command
[06:19] <ira> sorry fixmbr
[06:19] <Daskreech> fixboot I think
[06:19] <ira> at the end of the jibberish say "y"
[06:19] <rodrigo_> daskreech an amd
[06:20] <rodrigo_> daskreech sempron
[06:20] <ira> how do i shortcut a name here?
[06:21] <ira> then i think your back to reinstall of xp
[06:21] <ira> sorry linux
[06:21] <intelikey> WillJitsu could also go ahead and install grub
[06:21] <ira> pe builder can help you with xp
[06:21] <ira> I agree grub is the key
[06:21] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type sudo echo deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./ >> /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:21] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: wait
[06:21] <rodrigo_> I believe there is no drivers in linux
[06:21] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: would that be possiable?
[06:22] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type sudo echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' >> /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:22] <WillJitsu> ira: I'm loading up the Ultimate Boot CD right now to see if there's something I can use
[06:22] <WillJitsu> there's a program called mbrfix, but there's several options
[06:22] <Daskreech> ira: shortcut a name ?
[06:22] <Daskreech> !tab | ira
[06:22] <ubotu> ira: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:22] <intelikey> WillJitsu also testdisk  in the live CD
[06:22] <ira> thanks
[06:23] <mariano> hi there
[06:23] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: ok i am going to remove thunderbird from /opt and im going to install thunderbird using adep i guess
[06:23] <ira> Daskreech: yea!
[06:23] <mariano> nice to meet you guys
[06:23] <Daskreech> intelikey: that can look at boot errors?
[06:24] <ira> WillJitsu: googel the command
[06:24] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: I'd remove the thunderbid folder and then try reextract it
[06:24] <intelikey> multiple avanues for the removal of the felion epdurmas
[06:24] <ira> WillJitsu: google mbrfix
[06:25] <ira> ok last chance any cups guys?
[06:25] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: ok
[06:25] <ira> an some one tell me why my printer will only print in monochrom after selecting the correct printer in Kubunbtu ?
[06:25] <rodrigo_> daskreech it didnt' work
[06:25] <Daskreech> ira: #cups is dead?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> i have fuound the cups web interface to have more options then the kde or gnome cups interfaces
[06:25] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: what did it say ?
[06:25] <rodrigo_> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[06:25] <rodrigo_> rodrigo@rodrigo-desktop:~$
[06:26] <intelikey> ira no.    but have you tried   browser  127.0.0.1:631   ?
[06:26] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: the line you put in started with sudo echo ?
[06:27] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[06:27] <intelikey> Daskreech can't sudo the echo    echo 'blah' | sudo tee -a file
[06:27] <Dr_willis> howdies
[06:27] <Daskreech> intelikey: ahhh
[06:27] <ira> intelikey: nice says controlled by printout mode
[06:28] <intelikey> redirrects and pipes are owned by the console not the user.  the user owns the console and sudo affects the command not the console.
[06:28] <ira> but what ever i print is B&W
[06:28] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:29] <Daskreech> intelikey: and echo is a builtin
[06:29] <Daskreech> which can be overridden ..
[06:29] <intelikey> Daskreech yes but also a command  file /bin/echo
[06:29] <Daskreech> intelikey: unlike stupid cd :-P
[06:31] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: ok followed directions same as before on website and still get same error
[06:31] <ira> damn cups page is still B&W
[06:31] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: this is the same error i have been getting, even after reformat and reinstall
[06:31] <intelikey> well one could /bin/dash cd path   i guess and get something that wasn't built into bash   ???
[06:32] <rodrigo> daskreech: are you there
[06:32] <rodrigo> ??
[06:32] <intelikey> ira sorry.   i really know nothing about printers/cupsys
[06:32] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: ok .. install tb 1.5 there should be a tb 2 deb by next week
[06:32] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Noo shhhhhhhh :)
[06:32] <ira> well i liked the web page
[06:32] <rodrigo> daskreech
[06:32] <rodrigo> sorry
[06:33] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Sup?
[06:33] <rodrigo> my electricity suplier had gone for a long
[06:33] <rodrigo> daskreech
[06:33] <ira> ok thanks all i iwll try #cups maybe they will be home tomorrow
[06:33] <intelikey> ira that's the default cupsys way to admin cups
[06:33] <WillJitsu> ira: ok mbrfix.exe is definitely not working.  when I list the partitions, I see my windows partition, plus 2 linux ones.  do you think the problem has to do with it seeing those linux partitions?  i.e. if I deleted them would it fix the windows one?
[06:33] <Daskreech> yes?
[06:33] <Daskreech> rodrigo: want the command again ?
[06:33] <rodrigo> daskreech it didn't work
[06:33] <rodrigo> please
[06:33] <ira> WillJitsu: no
[06:33] <Daskreech> rodrigo_: in the console type echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:33] <Dr_willis> WillJitsu,  i doubt that.
[06:34] <rodrigo> daskreech all at the same time?
[06:34] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[06:34] <rodrigo> daskreech: just copy paste?
[06:34] <ira> WillJitsu: can you try reinsalling Kubuntu?
[06:34] <WillJitsu> ira: yeah lemme give it a try
[06:34] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes from echo to the end
[06:34] <intelikey> WillJitsu not a chance.  but hey it's worth trying  cause if you reinstall linux it will redo all that anyway....
[06:34] <rodrigo> daskreech: Ok I'm doing ith
[06:34] <rodrigo> it
[06:35] <ira> WillJitsu: I think grub wiill fix that at the end
[06:35] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: if that computer has net you acn talk to us from there
[06:35] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: alright thank you
[06:35] <Daskreech> ira: don't see how :)
[06:35] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: if you hang out here a few times a week I'll shout at you when it comes out
[06:35] <ira> becase grub sets up a bootloader for xp
[06:36] <Daskreech> !info mozilla-thunderbird gutsy
[06:36] <jwallingford_> Daskreech: alright thank you so much for your help
[06:36] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Transition package for mozilla-thunderbird rename. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.4~rc1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 57 kB, installed size 104 kB
[06:36] <intelikey> Daskreech if the problem is MBR related it prolly will if the problem is boot sector of the partition it wont.
[06:36] <ira> and bypasses the mbr boot
[06:36] <WillJitsu> ira: yeah grub probably would fix it at the end, but I haven't been able to get that far.  it locked up at 51% last time which is why I'm here :)
[06:36] <Daskreech> ira: yeah but if Windows can't boot that doesn't make a difference
[06:37] <Daskreech> jwallingford_: unless you want to be crazy and get the Gutsy package >_<
[06:37] <intelikey> if the problem is that stupido M$ crap of a system restore partition.....
[06:37] <rodrigo> daskreech: echo 'deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[06:37] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: run the Cd check first to make sure
[06:37] <ira> Daskreech: my reasoning it that grub will asitane control of the boot secor
[06:37] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[06:37] <rodrigo> daskreech: its says that the packages are broken
[06:38] <artabrahao> what it the command to descopact with tar keepping the directory estructure?
[06:38] <rodrigo> Oh this linux thing must be only for shaolin monks
[06:38] <ira> and.. it has worked fo ,e :-)
[06:38] <intelikey> ooooo   lsb_release
[06:38] <ira> rodrigo: take the Linux from my hand
[06:38] <rodrigo> ira; lol
[06:39] <darwin81> Does anyone know if Ktorrent supports multi-tracker torrents?
[06:39] <rodrigo> packages sudos roots
[06:39] <ira> <uses azureus
[06:39] <rodrigo> I'm just your setup.exe regular guy you know!
[06:39] <ira> <uses any thing
[06:39] <Daskreech> rodrigo: I was hoping that wouldn't happen. Cinelerra is a strange duck
[06:40] <Dr_willis>  Cinelerra IS a strange duck!  i agree
[06:40] <intelikey> odd duck out !
[06:40] <ira> Daskreech: I am afrade to pose this but is in in automatix?
[06:40] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Most packages in Ubuntu are easier than that even
[06:40] <Minataku> Thunderstorm >.<
[06:40] <rodrigo> daskreech: never mind you have been very well intended
[06:40] <Daskreech> ira: it is?
[06:40] <ira> no but there is a good chance it is
[06:40] <ira> I dont know
[06:40] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Is that the main reason that you are using ubuntu ?
[06:41] <rodrigo> daskreech: is an ethical reason
[06:41] <rodrigo> I live in mexico
[06:41] <ira> <will look in automatix
[06:41] <rodrigo> must  of the Pc' users had pirate software
[06:41] <Minataku> Viva Revolucion! Viva Linux!
[06:41] <Minataku> XD
[06:41] <Minataku> !automatix | ira
[06:41] <ubotu> ira: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:41] <rodrigo> so I migrate to Linux for using freeware
[06:41] <Minataku> !worksforme | !ira
[06:41] <ubotu> !ira: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:42] <Minataku> Close enough
[06:42] <Minataku> lol
[06:42] <rodrigo> but also the license are very expensive
[06:42] <Minataku> rodrigo: Indeed
[06:42] <Daskreech> rodrigo: No I meant is cinelerra important to you?
[06:42] <rodrigo> aaaah
[06:42] <darwin81> I've never had any problems with Automatix
[06:42] <intelikey> 11 cheers for FOSS
[06:42] <Minataku> !worksforme | darwin81
[06:42] <ubotu> darwin81: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:42] <ira> I never mention it
[06:42] <rodrigo> well it's my second priority
[06:42] <intelikey> oh sorry   11_2 cheers   :)
[06:42] <Daskreech> rodrigo: First is not pirating ?
[06:43] <rodrigo> lol
[06:43] <rodrigo> well Kind of
[06:43] <Daskreech> Well congrats :)
[06:43] <Minataku> Automatix2 has caused far too many problems for far too many people to be considered a valid choice
[06:43] <rodrigo> Im an graphic designer
[06:43] <Dr_willis> i agree with Minataku
[06:43] <ira> < can not look a the unmentionable cant stop adept notifier
[06:43] <Daskreech> rodrigo: If Cinelerra is important then try ubuntustudio
[06:43] <Daskreech> !ubuntustudio
[06:43] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[06:43] <Daskreech> It comes with Cinelerra as I understand
[06:44] <intelikey> well   i got all of one concert digitized finnally  only two to go...
[06:44] <Daskreech> they worked really hard to get it in. As i said it's a strange duck
[06:44] <ira> <uses protools and sound forge (ducking)
[06:44] <rodrigo> to be quite honest
[06:44] <rodrigo> the software that can be downloades
[06:44] <rodrigo> is not as good as premmiere
[06:44] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Cinelerra is very good though :)
[06:45] <ira> audiocity?
[06:45] <rodrigo> it says so in wikipedia
[06:45] <rodrigo> that's why I wanted to install it
[06:45] <Daskreech> they have some license issues as well as strange build practices so .. it's harder than most
[06:45] <Dr_willis> so it has to be true! :0
[06:45] <Dr_willis> night all
[06:45] <ira> rodrigo: audiocity?
[06:45] <intelikey> !info audacity
[06:45] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2032 kB, installed size 6016 kB
[06:46] <rodrigo> my first priority is running my scaner printer
[06:46] <rodrigo> for scanning my draws
[06:46] <rodrigo> but if I can't install a program now install a scaner printer
[06:46] <rodrigo> !!!
[06:46] <ira> <wars dr dentons
[06:47] <ira> knight all
[06:47] <intelikey> nite ira
[06:48] <rodrigo> ira; I also try to install
[06:48] <rodrigo> ardour
[06:48] <rodrigo> ira: ardour but it has a problem with the jack thing
[06:48] <intelikey> man ira went already...
[06:48] <rodrigo> douh!
[06:49] <rodrigo> well the only program that had work for my need is the gimp!
[06:49] <rodrigo> needs}
[06:50] <david_> heyz
[06:50] <david_> anyone here know how to install java?
[06:50] <intelikey> !java
[06:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:50] <david_> i think i have it installed but any java applet, like frostwire just has white
[06:50] <intelikey> da' bot does
[06:51] <david_> lolz i guess so
[06:51] <rodrigo> hey daskreech
[06:51] <rodrigo> I must go now
[06:52] <rodrigo> Im begining to think instead I learn this I save money and buy me a Mac
[06:52] <rodrigo> lol!
[06:52] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok hopefully this will get sorted out soon
[06:52] <intelikey> rodrigo ok. you go now.  you come back soon.  ok
[06:53] <rodrigo> Daksreech: thanks for your help man take care
[06:54] <Daskreech> rodrigo: I think that there is an easier way to install cinelerra I'll look
[06:54] <Daskreech> rodrigo: !!
[06:55] <intelikey> 11 cheers for Daskreech !
[06:56] <Daskreech> rodrigo: can you press alt+f2 then type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:56] <intelikey> you put out all the fires in the channel....
[06:56] <Daskreech> Well actually 4 of them still aren't out
[06:56] <intelikey> well you watered them down at least  :)
[06:57] <intelikey> ok just 10 cheers then.
[06:57] <Daskreech> Ira still can't print in colour rodrigo still can't scan (though I haven't looked at that) WillJitsu still isn't booting (as far as I know) and jwallingford is Tb less
[06:57] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:57] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Hello? I found the easier way
[06:57] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: still working on it :)
[06:58] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:58] <intelikey> WillJitsu what os do you have running there ?   is it a linux live cd  ?
[06:59] <Daskreech> Windows
[06:59] <WillJitsu> intelikey: I'm on a winxp box right now.  I'm currently installing kubuntu from the live cd
[06:59] <intelikey> WillJitsu same box ?
[06:59] <WillJitsu> intelikey: nope
[06:59] <rodrigo> daskreech: sorry friend I went where the king goes alone
[07:00] <intelikey> k then the "box in question"  is running a live linux    correct ?
[07:00] <rodrigo> ok so what I must do?
[07:00] <Daskreech> rodrigo: can you press alt+f2 then type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <WillJitsu> intelikeyl: yes it is
[07:00] <intelikey> WillJitsu and you are in the install process ?
[07:00] <WillJitsu> intelikey: yes
[07:01] <intelikey> WillJitsu k.   i won't interrupt that.
[07:01] <rodrigo> daskreech
[07:01] <rodrigo> I'm in there!
[07:02] <intelikey> WillJitsu if it hangs again "we hope it doesn't" then buzz me.
[07:02] <rodrigo> daskreech source list
[07:02] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok what does the bottom line say ?
[07:02] <rodrigo> sorry Im not very good english speaker  bottom means the top
[07:02] <rodrigo> or the lasst one (down)
[07:02] <Daskreech> rodrigo: yes
[07:02] <intelikey> down
[07:03] <rodrigo> hehe ok
[07:03] <rodrigo> http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/dapper/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./
[07:03] <intelikey> should start with     deb
[07:03] <Daskreech> rodrigo: change the word dapper there to feisty
[07:04] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Yes is the first thing deb ?
[07:04] <rodrigo> ok
[07:04] <rodrigo> daskreech: done
[07:04] <rodrigo> now what should I do?
[07:05] <Daskreech> rodrigo: it starts with the word deb ?
[07:05] <rodrigo> I also miss my spanish english dictionary
[07:05] <rodrigo> of encarta
[07:05] <Daskreech>   deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cinelerra/athlonxp/ ./
[07:05] <intelikey> deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cenelerra/athlonxp/ ./
[07:05] <Daskreech> That's what it says ?
[07:05] <rodrigo> the bottom line?
[07:05] <Daskreech> yes
[07:05] <rodrigo> yes
[07:06] <Daskreech> Ok
[07:06] <Daskreech> save it
[07:06] <intelikey> all one line      ^
[07:06] <rodrigo> I change the world
[07:06] <intelikey> all one line                     ^
[07:06] <rodrigo> in file
[07:06] <rodrigo> ?
[07:06] <rodrigo> menu?
[07:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: in the terminal type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinelerra
[07:06] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Ctrl+S
[07:06] <mtv> what is the command to find out the kernel?
[07:06] <rodrigo> wow
[07:06] <Daskreech> :-)
[07:06] <rodrigo> man doing all of this is magic for me
[07:07] <rodrigo> ok
[07:07] <intelikey> mtv uname
[07:07] <intelikey> mtv uname -a
[07:07] <mtv> yep, just thought of it.  Memory lapse
[07:07] <mtv> thank you
[07:07] <intelikey> for all info  -r for release
[07:08] <Daskreech> rodrigo: there is an easier GUI way but I'll try to avoid that since you are not an english speaker
[07:08] <joshua__> hi
[07:08] <rodrigo> yep
[07:08] <rodrigo> If I have a dictionary it encrase my english skills a lot
[07:08] <rodrigo> I'll search a dictionary
[07:08] <rodrigo> in the apt program
[07:08] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 14 22:42:51 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[07:08] <Minataku> My uname -a output :D
[07:09] <intelikey> stardict
[07:09] <joshua__> i'm having some issues
[07:09] <rodrigo> nable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:09] <rodrigo> rodrigo@rodrigo-desktop:~$
[07:09] <rodrigo> hey daskreed
[07:09] <rodrigo> to be honest
[07:09] <rodrigo> I'm done with cinellera
[07:09] <rodrigo> maybe you can help me with another thing more important
[07:09] <rodrigo> by now
[07:10] <rodrigo> is about my printer/scanner
[07:10] <rodrigo> I don't know if it can works in kubuntu
[07:10] <Minataku> !sane
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sane - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <Minataku> WTF!?
[07:11] <intelikey> joshua__ don't wait for an invitation to ask...
[07:11] <Minataku> !scanner
[07:11] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo: do you have adept or another terminal open installing a program?
[07:11] <rodrigo> yes adept
[07:11] <rodrigo> Im downloading blender
[07:11] <rodrigo> 3d studio
[07:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ah :-)
[07:11] <rodrigo> yeeah!
[07:11] <Daskreech> rodrigo: ok
[07:11] <rodrigo> but honestly
[07:11] <rodrigo> I'm done with that
[07:12] <rodrigo> Is more important to me to be able to scan
[07:12] <Daskreech> when that's done press Fetch Updates and Cinelerra should be there
[07:12] <joshua__> Anyone know how I can get my dvd to run?
[07:12] <Daskreech> !scanner | rodrigo
[07:12] <ubotu> rodrigo: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:12] <Daskreech> !dvd | joshua__
[07:12] <ubotu> joshua__: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:12] <intelikey> !dvd | joshua__
[07:12] <Daskreech> I win :)
[07:12] <intelikey> quick draw
[07:13] <joshua__> lol well that works, i got the dvd css2 andd I can't get it to configure right
[07:13] <intelikey> 11 cheers for quick draw Daskreech
[07:13] <rodrigo> daskreech you mean that cinellera will appaear
[07:13] <rodrigo> in the adept installer
[07:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Yes
[07:14] <rodrigo> because we do all that coding stuff?
[07:14] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Yes we are telling adept the right server that has cinelerra
[07:14] <mtv> what command do i use to transfer all the files within a folder, but not the folder itself
[07:14] <rodrigo> daskreech Oh well, if you want to win your angel wings if you do something
[07:14] <Daskreech> mtv cp dir/* /new/place
[07:15] <intelikey> cp path/* new/path/
[07:15] <rodrigo> like that for every body
[07:15] <Daskreech> rodrigo: s long as i'm awake and have net
[07:15] <rodrigo> for newby digital artists all over the word!
[07:15] <mtv> thank you
[07:15] <joshua__> i have a version of libdvdcss2 1.2.9 i  believe, when i try yto configure it it states: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:15] <rodrigo> so where I found if can make my lexmark scanner run?
[07:15] <rodrigo> with kubuntu?
[07:16] <Daskreech> !scanner | rodrigo
[07:16] <ubotu> rodrigo: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:16] <Daskreech> read those ^^^
[07:16] <Daskreech> joshua__: did you read the link that ubotu gave to you?
[07:18] <joshua__> yes, do the seveas packages include libdvdcss2?
[07:18] <Daskreech> yes
[07:19] <rodrigo> daskreech does I paste that in the console?
[07:19] <joshua__> so I just download the package and use adept and install the package and it should work?
[07:19] <Daskreech> rodrigo: read the second link first :) find your scanner
[07:19] <rodrigo> ok
[07:19] <intelikey> www-browser https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[07:20] <intelikey> you can paste that in ^
[07:20] <intelikey> www-browser https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:20] <intelikey> or that ^
[07:20] <intelikey> or both
[07:20] <intelikey> am i rambling again
[07:20] <rodrigo> Oh my
[07:20] <rodrigo> well this is my day
[07:21] <Jucato> Question: anyone familiar with bluetooth dial up (using GPRS)? I can browse now and connect to IM, but I can't connect to IRC
[07:21] <rodrigo> what is next a dog shall pee me now?
[07:21] <rodrigo> Your scanner is not supported in Ubuntu. The most common type of scanner not supported is old parallel port or Lexmark All-in-One printer/scanner/faxes
[07:21] <rodrigo> Lexmark all in one
[07:21] <rodrigo> Im gonna get crazy now
[07:21] <Daskreech> wow
[07:22] <rodrigo> damn"
[07:22] <intelikey> yep lexmarks leave out the chips and let the software do the work...
[07:22] <intelikey> like winmodems
[07:22] <rodrigo> any one interested in a lexmark all in one?
[07:22] <intelikey> \!i
[07:23] <Daskreech> intelikey: geek
[07:23] <intelikey> 11_2 cheers for geeks  !
[07:23] <Daskreech> rodrigo: please write a letter to lexmark letting them know that you would like linux support
[07:23] <rodrigo> daskreech: Ok Im not a programmer but I think that very clear
[07:24] <rodrigo> I'll put it in my blog
[07:24] <rodrigo> if any one of you want to practice spanish you are very welcome
[07:25] <intelikey> rodrigo you can thank M$ for part of that issue.   they encurrage hardware makers to build "for windows only"
[07:25] <rodrigo> yep
[07:25] <rodrigo> that's the thing
[07:25] <rodrigo> where does the competence and antitrust practices are now?
[07:25] <mtv> when cp kernel header files for vmware, i get ommitting directory for most of the files.  What am i doing wrong?
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> rodrigo: i did the same thing. wrote them a letter, told them i don't want their paper weight
[07:26] <rodrigo> but does it works?
[07:26] <Daskreech> joshua__: type in sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[07:26] <rodrigo> I don't want to get political
[07:26] <rodrigo> but does corporates cares about that?
[07:27] <Daskreech> rodrigo: don't then. just let them know that you Own a lexmark and use Linux and would like it to work
[07:27] <rodrigo> well
[07:27] <Daskreech> rodrigo: If you don't buy anything they make cause it won't work of course they care :)
[07:27] <intelikey> and dummies like 'us' buy those things,  that's the real problem.  not the companies.  they want our money; nothing inhearantly wrong with that: but, we don't realize that we shave off our head with such purchaces...
[07:27] <Jucato> has anyone had touchpad problems on a fresh install of Feisty?
[07:27] <rodrigo> I will paste it in my blog and send an e-mail
[07:27] <rodrigo> there is not to many options
[07:27] <Daskreech> I've had great joy with Feisty and laptops outside of suspend
[07:28] <rodrigo> for using software in the licensed and corporated word
[07:28] <Minataku> My Lexmark AIO is a standalone unit
[07:28] <Daskreech> rodrigo: but your voice will be heard that is something good
[07:28] <rodrigo> for developing countries
[07:28] <joshua__> i am using Feisty and have had no problem
[07:28] <Daskreech> Minataku: Works?
[07:28] <Minataku> Never tried
[07:28] <Minataku> But I know all the software for printing is inside it
[07:28] <Minataku> Since it can be used without a PC
[07:28] <Jucato> Daskreech: somehow the touchpad's "special" features don't work :(
[07:28] <Minataku> !synaptics | Jucato
[07:29] <ubotu> Jucato: For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[07:29] <rodrigo> only (here comes dramatic music) using pirated software
[07:29] <Daskreech> Jucato: basic stuff works?
[07:29] <Jucato> Minataku: I konw. I was talking about ootb
[07:29] <intelikey> Minataku yeah stand-alones are a totally different storry.
[07:29] <Jucato> Daskreech: very basic. yes. but I can remember the special areas working in Edgy out of the box...
[07:29] <joshua__> Daskreech: It saysyy command not found
[07:29] <rodrigo> well thankyou guys any way
[07:30] <rodrigo> see you later
[07:30] <Daskreech> rodrigo: Sorry about the lexmark
[07:30] <Minataku> I did have to self-repair it, though
[07:31] <joshua__> i  am very new at Linux so don't shoot! lol
[07:31] <Minataku> Strip it all the way down to the very bottom and glue a small plastic gear back together
[07:31] <Daskreech> joshua__: one second
[07:31] <intelikey> maybe people should only buy 'for windows only' hardware,  then when it's stolen the thief can't use free software on it.....     or maybe not... ?
[07:31] <joshua__> Daskreech: thanks
[07:31] <Daskreech> Jucato: Do you know which od hte Seveas repos have dvdcss?
[07:31] <Jucato> nope
[07:31] <intelikey> !dvd
[07:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:32] <Daskreech> intelikey: Look at the Seveas page
[07:32] <Daskreech> lots of choices with no break down of what's in them
[07:32] <intelikey> so add all use for that package and disable all
[07:32] <intelikey> not a problem.
[07:34] <Jucato> Daskreech: Seveas Extras. there's actually a breakdown of what's in them
[07:34] <intelikey> Daskreech i only see one seveas repo on that page   6 "mirrors" of it
[07:35] <joshua__> should there be more on there?
[07:35] <intelikey> now you've ran my time up.  i've used a web browser for 1016  today...     see what you did....
[07:36] <joshua__> i'm sorry? if that is any consolation
[07:36] <intelikey> 1016 seconds that is.
[07:36] <Daskreech> joshua__: : in the console type echo 'deb http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/ feisty-seveas extras' | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[07:36] <intelikey> very even
[07:37] <joshua__> umm dimme a min lol
[07:37] <intelikey> theplayboymansion.net   heh
[07:38] <Daskreech> Yeah I'm thinking that the nixternal URL is broken
[07:38] <joshua__> do I type &&  along with the first sudod command
[07:39] <joshua__> sudo*
[07:39] <Daskreech> joshua__: yes
[07:39] <joshua__> k
[07:39] <Daskreech> from echo to the end is one command
[07:40] <SillyZ> now this is entertaining.... damn dvd-r is supposed to be able to burn at 16x, but when i check it while its burning its 8.2x
[07:40] <nixternal> Daskreech: the nixternal URL?
[07:40] <intelikey> conditionall expressions    com1. && com2. || com3.     run com1  and if it finishes successfully then run com2   followed by if either com1 or com2 failed run com3
[07:40] <Daskreech> nixternal: sorry imbrandon
[07:42] <intelikey> prepending the NOT sign (!)  will invert the condition     com1 && ! com2 && com3       runs com1 if successful runs com2 if it fails runs com3
[07:43] <joshua__> well it said setting up libdvdcss1.2.9, i reckon it worked
[07:43] <Daskreech> joshua__: Of course it did :)
[07:43] <joshua__> lol, i got a hell of alot still to learn
[07:44] <intelikey> major differance in the two examples is that  in example 1  com3 runs if either fail  while in example 2  only if com2 succedes and com2 fails.
[07:44] <joshua__> i have a good grasp on extracting, and installing from command, but dang
[07:44] <intelikey> sorry    com1 succedes and com2 fails   ^
[07:44] <Daskreech> joshua__: want me to explain what you just did?
[07:45] <intelikey> conversly   com1 ; com2 ; com3     runs com1 2 and 3 unconditionally
[07:45] <joshua__> well from what i gather, i found the repositoryy at that site found the listing of the package, extracted, installed, and updated the package all from that website?
[07:45] <joshua__> andi 'm not close at all am i?
[07:46] <joshua__> lol
[07:46] <intelikey> yeah not far off.
[07:46] <ardchoille> intelikey: You should write a little tutorial about that
[07:46] <intelikey> ardchoille i just did
[07:46] <intelikey> feel free to take notes
[07:46] <intelikey> :)
[07:46] <ardchoille> intelikey: hehe
[07:47] <intelikey> thought you'd like that
[07:47] <ardchoille> I'll add that to my wiki
[07:47] <Daskreech> joshua__: yes you added a server with a list of packages then updated the list of programs you are allowed to install then chose one to install
[07:48] <joshua__> i thought so
[07:48] <joshua__> i was wondering which mirror had dit
[07:48] <intelikey> ardchoille let me add one other thing.       com1 & com2    will run com1 in the background and com2 in the forground at the same time.
[07:48] <ardchoille> Thank you :)
[07:49] <intelikey> and do correct my  com2 success com2    typo above  ^
[07:50] <joshua__> heh
[07:50] <Daskreech> With good reason
[07:50] <intelikey> i like that title better than the other one they gave me...
[07:50] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol, you're only the king cuz I don't type much in this chan
[07:50] <Daskreech> You out talk ubotu :)
[07:50] <intelikey> :)
[07:50] <intelikey> yeah i know.
[07:50] <joshua__> i know this may be a stupid question: how do you force quit a program?
[07:51] <intelikey> kill it
[07:51] <Daskreech> joshua__: what kind of program?
[07:51] <intelikey> killall it's parrent
[07:51] <ardchoille> intelikey: There's another tut :)
[07:51] <joshua__> Daskreech: Kaffeine and Xine are both being retarded
[07:52] <joshua__> now it's xine
[07:52] <joshua__> kaffeine closed
[07:52] <intelikey> fuser -k filename      kill `pidof appname`     killall appname   (be careful that will get them all)
[07:53] <intelikey> my personal favorite is     sudo kill -9 -1      but it's not for the faint of heart   :)
[07:53] <intelikey> or the gui user
[07:53] <ardchoille> What does that do?
[07:53] <joshua__> bah...
[07:53] <intelikey> kills everything but the kernel and init
[07:54] <Daskreech> joshua__: alt+ctrl+Esc
[07:55] <joshua__> heee hee i like that
[07:55] <Daskreech> Don't click on your desktop
[07:55] <joshua__> i noticed one click and the window gone
[07:55] <intelikey> sudo killall5     is a milder form of that.  it kills most things   but leaves the shell that called it, running.    thus probably wont kill a gui either.
[07:55] <Daskreech> joshua__: yeah
[07:56] <joshua__> now the moment of truth tryying to get the dvd to playy
[07:57] <joshua__> i just unmounted it, now i poppedd it bback in
[07:57] <intelikey> i really should go,     no i really should have went several hours ago.
[07:57] <joshua__> i am going to play ddvd with kaffeine
[07:58] <joshua__> and nothing is happening
[07:58] <joshua__> kaffeine started to load then it disappeared
[07:59] <joshua__> let's try xine
[08:00] <joshua__> nope not working there either
[08:00] <joshua__> bah
[08:01] <joshua__> any ideas fellas
[08:01] <Daskreech> mplayer ?
[08:02] <joshua__> trying it now
[08:03] <Daskreech> hmm
[08:03] <Daskreech> !bluray
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <SillyZ> q: how do i get the kernel-sources installed, Id like to build a customized kernel
[08:03] <Daskreech> !hddvd
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hddvd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <intelikey> info them
[08:03] <Daskreech> !kernel
[08:03] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[08:04] <SillyZ> Thanks Daskreech
[08:05] <blekos> hi anybody knows how i can turn on automatic spellcheck in kmail?
[08:05] <SillyZ> Ive got a dazzle, dvc-100 and the code in the driver has to be changed to recognize the different device id, from 0207 to 021a.... thus the custom kernel, as i have to rebuild the modules
[08:06] <jeanmass> hi
[08:07] <joshua__> can't find my dvd to load now
[08:07] <dewey> hi SillyZ
[08:07] <jeanmass> i want to listen a web radio, but conqueror and firefox say i need realplayer
[08:07] <SillyZ> dewey!!
[08:07] <jeanmass> where can i get the codec?
[08:07] <SillyZ> how ya been  bro!
[08:07] <jeanmass> dont want the player...
[08:07] <jeanmass> just the codec
[08:07] <dewey> SillyZ: fine and you?
[08:07] <Daskreech> !real
[08:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:07] <jeanmass> thans Daskreech
[08:08] <SillyZ> dewey, same ol same just grinding along
[08:08] <SillyZ> man been a looonnngggg time
[08:08] <dewey> :)
[08:08] <jeanmass> the new restrictedformats is not as clear as the old one
[08:08] <dewey> SillyZ: yeap my kubuntu is borked so I am on something else!
[08:08] <SillyZ> talked to habbe over in sweden a while ago, seems to be doing good for himself
[08:08] <jeanmass> because it makes you install evrything
[08:08] <jeanmass> just need real
[08:08] <dewey> great
[08:08] <SillyZ> whats up w/ your Kubuntu?
[08:09] <joshua__> Daskreech: i am getting a fatal error with trying to play the dvd now
[08:09] <Daskreech> jeanmass: install libxine-extracodecs and see if that gets you sorted
[08:09] <dewey> grub stops and I think mbr is messed up or partition table borked.
[08:09] <Daskreech> joshua__: what error?
[08:09] <jeanmass> already have it
[08:09] <SillyZ> joshua__, you prolly need the dvd2css codec, go download automatix    (google it) , install it... and should solve all your problems
[08:10] <joshua__> Daskreech: lol geesh
[08:10] <dewey> installed something else on other hda and it said it could not read partition table in hdb!
[08:10] <SillyZ> ouch
[08:10] <Daskreech> joshua__: ha sorry :) I've never tried to install DVD codecs or i'd tell you the quick way to do it
[08:10] <Daskreech> jeanmass: there is a real section near the end
[08:10] <SillyZ> automatix, download, install, codecs, done
[08:10] <joshua__> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out(-vo) device
[08:11] <dewey> so soon off to by another hd I think.
[08:11] <joshua__> Dask: It's kewl, i'm learning and i'd rather learn the hard wayy
[08:11] <SillyZ> ya its soundin like it be a hockeypuck there dewey
[08:11] <Daskreech> Hmm I've seen that before. I think that it just needs redirection or something
[08:11] <SillyZ> hows hawk and the gang? havent been on freenode in forever
[08:11] <jeanmass> ok thanx
[08:11] <dewey> hawk seems to be fine
[08:12] <joshua__> SillyZ, i'll try Automatix
[08:12] <SillyZ> its all pretty self explanitory over there with automatix
[08:13] <SillyZ> dewey, did some massive upgrading here in the last few months, dell e-1705, 2gb ram, 17" screen, Nvidia 7800.....
[08:13] <SillyZ> wine plays world of warcraft like there aint no tommorow
[08:14] <jeanmass> if libxine-extracodecs is installed, should i be able to read real fileS?
[08:14] <dewey> lol great
[08:14] <jeanmass> or shoud i install something else?
[08:14] <Daskreech> jeanmass: What real files?
[08:14] <joshua__> lol nice
[08:14] <SillyZ> automatix has codecs for realmedia
[08:14] <dewey> SillyZ: looking at getting dell with linux desktop on it soon.
[08:14] <Daskreech> jeanmass: a few can only be read by the official real player
[08:14] <SillyZ> Listen to me bro, I used to be an op over on #mandrake once upon a lifetime or three ago
[08:15] <dewey> SillyZ: yeap
[08:15] <SillyZ> dont get linux with the dell laptop
[08:15] <SillyZ> they dropped their complete care program for it
[08:15] <intelikey> !automatix | SillyZ
[08:15] <ubotu> SillyZ: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:15] <dewey> SillyZ: ok
[08:15] <jeanmass> i want to listen to this radio http://www.radioclassique.fr
[08:15] <jeanmass> but i can't
[08:15] <Daskreech> dewey: tell them you are getting it for Linux though :)
[08:15] <SillyZ> intelikey, it works ran it here and works fine
[08:15] <intelikey> !WorksForMe | SillyZ
[08:15] <ubotu> SillyZ: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:16] <dewey> SillyZ: I have an ibook to run linux
[08:16] <Daskreech> jeanmass: hmm a radio station. Those are normally crypted somehow
[08:16] <SillyZ> why do I feel the honoray boot to the head coming?
[08:16] <SillyZ> rofl
[08:16] <dewey> Daskreech: yeah kubuntu and mandriva or frugalware.
[08:17] <joshua__> well hell
[08:17] <Daskreech> jeanmass: I'd probably start with helix player
[08:17] <Bones> anyone ever have an issue with SD cards?
[08:17] <joshua__> it says that I have to have python 2.4 and tango-icon-theme
[08:18] <jeanmass> can you listen when you click "EN DIRECT"?
[08:18] <SillyZ> encryption of a radio broadcast is prohibited by the FCC, espically if the intended recipient is the general public
[08:19] <intelikey> SillyZ as long as that is the official *ubuntu stance on that topic   you should at the very least mention it to those you sujest automatix too      thank you.
[08:19] <SillyZ> Ok it is the official stance of Ubuntu that Automatix is a bad thing, it is in my honest and professional opinion... it flat works.
[08:20] <SillyZ> there happy now?
[08:20] <joshua__> so who am i going to get to smack?
[08:20] <intelikey> sure if you mention that to those you sujest it to in here that's fine.
[08:20] <joshua__> <------------------starts heading toward SillyZ
[08:20] <SillyZ> good lord talk about politics
[08:20] <jeanmass> thanx for the help
[08:20] <jeanmass> have to go
[08:20] <jeanmass> cheers
[08:21] <Daskreech> jeanmass: yes
[08:21] <SillyZ> ok heres one guys, drives in the laptop are more than likely sata, but their being recognized as scsi , thus cant hdparm em or anything.... suggestions?
[08:22] <SillyZ> ie : /dev/sda  , /dev/scd0 (dvd-r/w)
[08:22] <joshua__> bah..... this frustrating
[08:22] <SillyZ> ide-scsi append in grub maybe?
[08:22] <intelikey> feisty implimented the use of scsi emulation for all disk drives.   that can be disabled    you will have to do some configuring and rebuild the initramfs.img
[08:23] <intelikey> i think the latest updates may have disabled that    you can check   i don't run feisty so i can't say for sure.
[08:23] <Daskreech> joshua__: yeah. vlc is probably the easy bet
[08:23] <SillyZ> so any decent scsi tools like hdparm then?
[08:24] <joshua__> Daskreech: ok i'll try that next
[08:24] <intelikey> for emulated scsi    im reluctant to say
[08:25] <intelikey> SillyZ check the menu.lst  and make sure that it's not as simple as the ide-scsi switch
[08:25] <joshua__> consider automatix gone
[08:26] <intelikey> if i remember correctly tho it is in the initramfs that it's enabled
[08:27] <SillyZ> nope its not there
[08:29] <joshua__> well after all that, vlc works
[08:29] <Daskreech> joshua__: yeah as i said easy way out
[08:29] <intelikey> didn't i say that half an hour ago
[08:29] <Daskreech> give up flexibility for workinicity
[08:29] <intelikey> ok i'm gone.
[08:29] <joshua__> well it works, but i don't like not having flexibilityy
[08:30] <Daskreech> But at least you can have  the DVDs work while you try sort out gettign kaffiene to work
[08:30] <joshua__> yea, did i piss intelikey off or something?
[08:31] <Daskreech> joshua__: it's like 4:00 am
[08:32] <joshua__> Dask: 01:31 CST lol..
[08:32] <joshua__> i thought i made him angry by not taking his advice
[08:33] <Daskreech> Well it works now and you can bang on the other methods until they work as well
[08:33] <Daskreech> Man I wish US laws weren't so stupid
[08:33] <joshua__> why do you say that?
[08:35] <Daskreech> cause shipping the DVD codec would have Ubuntu labelled as a software terrorist and hauled into court
[08:35] <joshua__> ahh...that makes sense
[08:36] <joshua__> boo on them....well i'll keep trying and figure something out, my wife wanted to watch a movie on here, oh the things a man does in the name of marriage
[08:36] <joshua__> hee hee
[08:37] <Daskreech> Yeah I figured there was woman behind there
[08:37] <SillyZ> ok heres one, when using thunderbird, I click on a .torrent, tell it to open in azureus..... azureus opens but does not open the .torrent file
[08:37] <joshua__> lol, yea, she went to sleep and i'm stubborn
[08:38] <joshua__> so i had to fix the problem, now that it's fixed i can go to sleep :->
[08:38] <joshua__> thanks so much for your help Daskreech
[08:38] <Daskreech> joshua__: Ok Sure. I'll try and give you more reasons to get hugs and kisses in the future
[08:38] <Daskreech> apt-get install roses :)
[08:38] <joshua__> LOL
[08:40] <joshua__> have a good rest of the morning
[08:48] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: u still around?
[08:49] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: perhaps
[08:49] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: k I've been messing with a bunch of stuff, and the last thing I did was boot from the dvd iso.  it boots up to the menu, but no matter what option I choose, it blanks the screen, and a cursor blinks in the top left hand corner and nothing happens from there
[08:50] <Daskreech> Does the DVD spin up?
[08:52] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: not after I choose an option
[08:52] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: at least not that I can tell
[08:52] <Daskreech> Hmmmmm
[08:53] <ahmed> xwinwrap,, guys did any one try it ?
[08:54] <Daskreech> kinda strange. but it boots fine?
[08:54] <ahmed> xwinwrap,, guys did any one try it ?
[08:54] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: yeah boots to the menu with no problem and I can choose any selection by using the arrow keys
[08:55] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: but none of them do anything after I hit enter, just the screen blank and blinking cursor
[08:55] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: I can hit F6 to get a prompt, but I wouldn't know what to type in there
[08:56] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: press F6 and move up and down across the menu it shoudl change whats in the f6 terminal
[08:56] <ahmed> xwinwrap,, guys did any one try it ?
[08:57] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: yeah it does
[08:58] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: hmm. then you shouldn't have to put in anything
[08:58] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: same one you were using to install?
[08:59] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: well right now I'm using my external dvd-rom instead of my internal cd-rom b/c I'm using the dvd image instead of the cd image I was earlier
[08:59] <WillJitsu> works fine from the cd-rom, but it's stopping with the dvd-rom
[08:59] <WillJitsu> but obviously the cd-rom install won't work.  I think it was a possible bad CD
[08:59] <WillJitsu> that's why I decided to try the DVD
[09:00] <Daskreech> WillJitsu: always stops at 51?
[09:01] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: yep
[09:01] <Daskreech> did you do  a cd test?
[09:01] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: but like I said I think it's just a bad CD.  unfortunately I don't have any other blank CDs here at the house to burn another one and test it
[09:01] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: yeah it failed
[09:01] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: it's a rewritable CD so I tried several burns with different burners. they all were bad
[09:03] <Daskreech> :-(
[09:04] <mike_>  rewritable CD's can not be a good choice
[09:04] <Daskreech> Well can you mount your hard drive?
[09:04] <WillJitsu> Daskreech: I'm not sure.  where would I mount it from?
[09:04] <Daskreech> make a directory
[09:05] <Darkkish> ipodslave doesn't work
[09:05] <Daskreech> and type sudo mount /dev/sda1 dirname
[09:05] <Daskreech> !mount
[09:05] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:05] <Roey> hi
[09:05] <Daskreech> !ntfs
[09:05] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:05] <Roey> how do I set Kubuntu /not/ to go into graphical user mode at startup?
[09:06] <Roey> (Feisty Fawn)
[09:06] <Darkkish> !ntfs-3g
[09:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:06] <Darkkish> is it safe?
[09:07] <Roey> famous last words
[09:07] <Roey> heheehh
[09:07] <Darkkish> lol\
[09:07] <Roey> Darkkish:  more so than the previous ones certainly
[09:07] <Daskreech> Roey: don't run KDM
[09:07] <Roey> captive
[09:07] <Darkkish> mkay well
[09:08] <Darkkish> night guys
[09:08] <Roey> Daskreech:  ok, how do I prevent it from doing that
[09:08] <Daskreech> Roey: or even easier get an alternate Cd and just install a server :)
[09:08] <Roey> Daskreech:  see, I edit the runlevel on Debian.
[09:08] <Darkkish> talk to you on monday i guess, stupid family reunion when i should be doing finals homework
[09:08] <Roey> Daskreech:  What's the equivalent in UpStart to /etc/inittab ??
[09:08] <Roey> Daskreech:  I want to start at runlevel 3, not 2.
[09:09] <Daskreech> !upstart
[09:09] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[09:11] <Roey> yes,
[09:11] <Roey> I've read it.
[09:11] <Roey> it didn't tell me anything about starting up without X
[09:11] <Roey> and no one in here tells me, either!  What, is everyone simply complacent here?
[09:11] <Roey> like.. I can't wait for it to start X up
[09:12] <Roey> I need access to the command prompt right away
[09:12] <Daskreech> Roey: Ah
[09:12] <Daskreech> Roey: did it tell you about starting services?
[09:12] <Roey> what about starting KDM in the background, on a separate virtual terminal?
[09:12] <Roey> Daskreech:  no
[09:12] <Roey> no it did not.
[09:14] <HyperCity> !pastebin
[09:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:16] <Daskreech> Roey: Well a quick nasty fix is to rename your /etc/init.d/kdm file :)
[09:25] <Jack3> how come aptitude says i can upgrade to linux head 2.6.20-16-lowlatency and generic when my "uname -a" shows linux-2.6.20-16 alreaedy?
[09:25] <Meglo> join #debian
[09:26] <Jack3> uhh
[09:26] <Meglo> wpp[s
[09:26] <Meglo> woops
[09:26] <Jack3> forgot a / heh
[09:26] <Meglo> ya lol
[09:26] <scales> heloo can somebody help me i need a tutorial how to install nvidia drivers without synaptic
[09:27] <Kartibok> Hi all....anyone know how I can get the auto update icon that informs you of the available updates that sits on the taskbar? Cheers
[09:27] <giaso> hi there
[09:28] <dgupta> scales:if synaptic does the job .. y do you want to install without it?
[09:28] <Daskreech> !nvidia | scales
[09:28] <ubotu> scales: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:28] <DBO> Jack3, its a minor upgrade
[09:28] <Jack3> is it worth it?
[09:29] <DBO> Jack3, do you own a dell or have you been having issues with PCI devices or bluetooth?
[09:29] <Jack3> no
[09:29] <DBO> then it has little bearing on you
[09:30] <Jack3> alright
[09:30] <DBO> its worth an install, but dont scare yourself into the reboot till you need it
[09:30] <Jack3> hah yeh
[09:30] <Jack3> i just like upgrading for tidyness
[09:33] <scales> dgupta: i dont have a xdsl conection
[09:37] <scales> dgupta: i need a tutorial how to run a .run package of nvidia-glx
[09:42] <arunkale> if someone has kubuntu installed and wants to try ubuntu, what are the steps involved?
[09:44] <dogatemycomputer> !ubuntu
[09:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <dogatemycomputer> !gnome
[09:45] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[09:45] <arunkale> umm how does one run kubuntu and ubuntu at the same time and switch between them?
[09:46] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop"
[09:47] <arunkale> dogatemycomputer: thanks :) and how does one switch between the two?
[09:47] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: arunkale http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome
[09:47] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale:  you'll be prompted to choose before you login..
[09:48] <arunkale> everytime? thanks :)
[09:48] <arunkale> thts wht i wanted to know
[09:48] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: you can set it to default to one or the other.. or you can choose to use one or the other a single time..
[09:48] <arunkale> and will it affects the files or settings
[09:48] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: yeah.. its a pretty standard process.. install, logoff, choose the distro you want (there should be a pulldown on the login screen to choose various options) then log back in ..
[09:49] <arunkale> alright, thanks a lot man
[09:49] <arunkale> i meant, will it adversely affect the files or settings
[09:49] <arunkale> as in the xorg.conf or files in the home directory
[09:49] <arunkale> will they be safe
[09:49] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: well.. obviously it will create an additional file structure for the GNome desktop (I think its ~/.gdm or similar).. but the apps themselves?  no.. they store their configuration information in  your home director indepdenent of the windows manager..
[09:50] <arunkale> ok thanks
[09:50] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: the windows manager is completely independent of the X server..
[09:50] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: basically.. the way I understand it.. X creates the enviorment for which windows managers can draw on.. so.. it doesn't matter which manager is doing the drawing as long as its X compatible..
[09:51] <arunkale> alright.. thanks a lot man
[09:51] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: (X = the paper and kde/gdm = the paint)
[09:51] <dogatemycomputer> arunkale: no problem.. have a good night!
[09:52] <vontux> rooly: pm's blocked....
[09:52] <vontux> rooly: join #vontux and I'll tell you in there
[09:52] <vontux> rooly: I'm not registered for pm
[09:53] <vontux> rooly: join #vontux and I'll tell you in there
[09:54] <vontux> rooly: did you get my pm? I doubt it, I got a message saying I'm not registered for pm
[09:54] <adydas> Hey guys, whats the console command to reconfig your desktop, xwindows
[09:54] <vontux> !xorg.conf | adydas
[09:54] <ubotu> adydas: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:54] <vontux> rooly....
[09:59] <sivaji> !vontus
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vontus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <sivaji> !vontux
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vontux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <vontux> sivaji: hello sir
[10:00] <vontux> sivaji: or madam
[10:00] <sivaji> sir
[10:01] <vontux> sivaji: I am a human male from the planet earth who likes tux and german surnames apparently
[10:01] <sivaji> vontux are u operator
[10:02] <vontux> sivaji: nope, I just mixed rooly up w/ a kubuntu joined person, he is in #ubuntu so I was trying to talk w/ the wrong person
[10:04] <vontux> sivaji: are you an operator?
[10:04] <sivaji> nope
[10:10] <chris_scummette> !debug firefox
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about debug firefox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <chris_scummette> arf
[10:10] <sivaji> how to hide a file
[10:11] <llutz> sivaji: add a leading "." to the filename
[10:11] <tuxd> Is there a End Program function for Linux?  I'm new.  In Windows you use "Windows Task Manager" to end a faulty program.  Anything like that for Kubuntu?
[10:11] <llutz> tuxd: kill
[10:11] <sivaji> llutz no file is being updated by ktorrent can i do that
[10:12] <Daskreech> tuxd: GUI program?
[10:12] <llutz> sivaji: then you can't hide it
[10:12] <tuxd> If there is a GUI program, then yes.  If not, then what code do you write in Terminal?  Again, I'm pretty new
[10:13] <Daskreech> tuxd: press alt+ctrl+Esc
[10:15] <tuxd> Thanks!
[10:21] <llutz> !grub
[10:21] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:23] <rjian> hello how can i unmount my Drives?
[10:24] <rjian> it says refuse..
[10:24] <SilentDis> hello :)
[10:25] <SilentDis> I'd like to have KDE perform a mount command upon session login, and an unmount on logout.  how would I do this?  (Kubuntu 7.04)
[10:26] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: you can create a file called ~/.bash_login that will run at login.. and another file called ~/.bash_logout or ~/.bash_logoff..  (I can't remember which) that will execute at logoff
[10:26] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: let me check.. brb
[10:26] <Daskreech> !autostart | SilentDis
[10:26] <ubotu> SilentDis: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:27] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: will that perform on login to kde or sometime during startup?  the drive isn't available till after it's driver is loaded is the problem (ximeta netdrive)
[10:27] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: that happens the moment you enter your password..
[10:28] <SilentDis> Daskreech: i tried doing that, created a file with the mount command in ~/.kde/Autostart, and marked it executable.  worked fine from the prompt, problem is it would simply open in kate upon startup
[10:28] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: well.. not exactly THE MOMENT.. but after the password and before your desktop loads..
[10:28] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: that works just fine then
[10:28] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: I use it to launch a few apps, mount some drives, etc..
[10:28] <dogatemycomputer> !bash
[10:28] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:29] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: glad I could help..  have a good night!
[10:29] <ahmed_> xwinwrap,, guys did any one try it ?
[10:30] <zipper> how do i check which version of kubuntu i'm running?
[10:30] <zipper> (to see if my upgrade went well
[10:30] <zipper> !help
[10:30] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:30] <SilentDis> aargh, forgot to ask if I need to set ~/.bash_login as exe or not
[10:30] <ahmed_> xwinwrap,, guys did any one try it ?
[10:30] <llutz> zipper: lsb_release -id
[10:30] <SilentDis> !version | zipper
[10:30] <ubotu> zipper: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[10:31] <lenny> Hi! do you know ksirk(risk clone) ? i couldn't install
[10:31] <ahmed_> , guys did any one try it xwinwrap,??
[10:31] <zipper> thx
[10:31] <lenny> any help?
[10:34] <SilentDis> lenny: did you try to install from source, from repos, from a downloaded .deb?  what error did you get?  use !pastebin if it's big...
[10:34] <ardchoille> !ksirk
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksirk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:34] <SilentDis> !info krisk
[10:34] <ubotu> Package krisk does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:34] <jussi01> !info ksirk
[10:34] <ubotu> Package ksirk does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:34] <rjian> !info unmount
[10:34] <SilentDis> ty jussi01lol
[10:35] <ubotu> Package unmount does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:35] <jussi01> SilentDis: :D
[10:35] <jussi01> !unmount
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <Daskreech> rjian: try umount
[10:35] <jussi01> gah
[10:35] <SilentDis> rjian: you're looking for the command 'umount' probably.  to unmount a mounted filesystem
[10:35] <rjian> im trying to open a the flash drive but i cant open it..
[10:36] <rjian> it say refuse uid
[10:36] <SilentDis> rjian: 7.04 should automagically mount it for you, unless it's a weird or broken filesystem
[10:36] <lenny> I downloaded ksirk-1.8.90.tgz
[10:36] <djdarkman_> can someone tell me why is it that if I play music in amarok, I don`t hear the sound that a movie player makes?
[10:37] <SilentDis> lenny: ok, you're installing from source.  could you !pastebin the result of the make?
[10:37] <rjian> hmm i wander y can't browse my drive it detects alrea right but i cant see the content
[10:38] <SilentDis> rjian: did you mount it somewhere?  try a 'sudo mount' by itself and see what's mounted where
[10:38] <llutz> no need for sudo
[10:39] <lenny> have no idea of what to do
[10:39] <lenny> ./configure?
[10:39] <SilentDis> lenny: there should be a README or similar file in there to tell you what to do , after you extract the tgz file
[10:40] <rjian> SilentDis: heres the result http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24823/
[10:41] <SilentDis> rjian: it doesn't appear that your usb drive is mounted.  they usually show up as something like /dev/sda1 or the like.
[10:41] <rjian> yeah
[10:41] <lenny> yes i read it
[10:41] <mrcreativity> can i administer an ubuntu installation on the hard drive after booting from the live cd?
[10:42] <rjian> SilentDis: when i mount the device it says hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[10:42] <lenny> but ./configure tells me file doesn't exist
[10:42] <SilentDis> rjian: it SHOULD be on sda1... if it is... try this whole long command:  sudo mkdir /media/usb && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o user
[10:43] <SilentDis> lenny: *nix systems are CaSe SeNsItIvE.  make sure it's not all uppercase, or with a capitol letter at the beginning :)
[10:44] <buz> use pmount to mount usb drives
[10:44] <buz> pmount sda1 for example
[10:44] <buz> it would then live in /media/sda1
[10:44] <SilentDis> buz: more info on that please, i've not messed with pmount myself
[10:44] <SilentDis> !pmount
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:44] <buz> SilentDis: very simply really
[10:44] <SilentDis> !info pmount
[10:44] <llutz> pmount (1)           - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user
[10:44] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[10:44] <buz> pmount lastpartofdriveletter
[10:45] <buz> DON'T use sudo
[10:45] <SilentDis> ahhh, nice.  *sticks that info bit into memory banks* :)
[10:45] <buz> will then go to /media/lastpartofdrivepath
[10:45] <buz> sorry should be pmount lastpartofdrivepath
[10:45] <buz> i.e. sdb2 or so
[10:45] <buz> even works with luks encrypted devices
[10:45] <buz> very neat
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> wells it official kmail sux
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> as much as I like kde I cant make myself say kmail is any good
[10:46] <WillJitsu> finally got kubuntu installed!
[10:46] <buz> it would be good if they could fix that annoying crash
[10:47] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: what are you trying to do in kmail?  it was a bit quirky when i switched, but i found a LOT to like in it.
[10:47] <rjian> SilentDis: still canot open
[10:47] <SilentDis> rjian: did you get any errors out of pmount?
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> looks like I will have to tell "normal users" to go with either Thunderbird or Evolution
[10:47] <WillJitsu> what's the best way to install the latest drivers for my nVidia 6800GT in kubuntu?
[10:47] <buz> thunderbird is a better fit for users yes
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: Im trying to define how a normal user would do a text hyperlink in kmail
[10:48] <buz> uhm automatically?
[10:48] <SilentDis> WillJitsu: build the package from the driver on nvidia's website.  i had nothing but problems myself with any other method lol
[10:48] <buz> WillJitsu: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo sh NVIDIApackage
[10:48] <buz> that should do it
[10:49] <buz> must shutdown x first though
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> buz: well in thundebird you just insert the link after you highlight the text component in your email you would like to become the hyperling, you cant do anything that simple in kmail
[10:49] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: i've not had issue with anything like that... are you creating an html mail or something?  if so... I might not be much help, i tend to shy away from html email
[10:49] <buz> ah i never do that kind of links in mails
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> hyperlink*
[10:49] <buz> besides html mail is evil
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: at enterprise level its all html
[10:50] <ardchoille> I love kmail. Though, I don't allow pics or any type of code/markup/scripts in email messages.
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> buz: spoken like a ludite
[10:50] <lenny> thanks silentdis
[10:50] <SilentDis> html mail just does not render well across mail clients, i've found..  let me poke a bit in kmail, see if I can figger how to do it for ya though :)
[10:50] <buz> html mail causes all sorts of weird issues
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: I get html email all week at work with no issues
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: a majority of my clients use a Microsoft solution for email and Thunderbird works fine both ways
[10:52] <dazjorz> I've got a 120 GB disk and I've got Windows and Linux on it
[10:52] <dazjorz> currently I've got 15 gb Linux, 1 gb swap, and the rest is for Windows
[10:52] <ninHer> hasefroch stinks
[10:53] <dazjorz> I'm going to reinstall, and I'd like to come up with better partition and space dividing when I do
[10:53] <dazjorz> Does fat32 have permissions on Linux?
[10:53] <zipper> !nvidia
[10:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:53] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: different uses and all.  I tend to use an IMAP server, and if i'm at home, kmail.  if i'm on the road, i'll ssh in and use mutt or the like.  *shrug*
[10:53] <buz> dazjorz: fat32 never has them
[10:53] <dazjorz> if so, I could make something like a 60 GB partition for Windows and 60 GB for Linux, including swap
[10:53] <WillJitsu> is there a default root password in kubuntu?
[10:54] <buz> WillJitsu: no, but you can set it with sudo passwd
[10:54] <dazjorz> buz: isn't there some kind of emulation by the drivers, or so?
[10:54] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: no
[10:54] <ardchoille> !sudo | WillJitsu
[10:54] <buz> dazjorz: not really
[10:54] <ubotu> WillJitsu: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:54] <dazjorz> buz: oh, okay
[10:54] <buz> fat32 permissions are defined mostly by whom mounted the partition
[10:54] <ardchoille> buz: Please don't tell people how to enable the root account, it's insecure and not supported.
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: Ive been rolling Linux out for a while now and I have been using kde as the base desktop but never used kmail until recently, well someone asked me "how to insert a hyperlink into an email with kmail",  Im finding there is now simple way to do this in kmail and Im finding the replies comming from the community the most bazaar and stupid ones Ive heard in ages
[10:54] <dazjorz> ardchoille: are you mad? people need it for everything
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> s/now/no/
[10:55] <buz> insecure? wtf?
[10:55] <ardchoille> dazjorz: What? I have been using Ubuntu sionce warty and have never had to "enable" the root account.. it just isn't necessary.
[10:55] <dazjorz> ardchoille: You're using it all the time
[10:56] <dazjorz> ardchoille: Note that root is always enabled, a system with a disabled root cannot function *at all*
[10:56] <dazjorz> ardchoille: I'm logged in as root now and then
[10:56] <buz> oh i have plenty of use cases where you need real root access
[10:56] <dazjorz> ardchoille: on my server running Debian, I'm logged in as root quite always
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: the kde guys told me to tell this "normal ex windows user" to type <a href= etc etc, Im thinking wtf are you on crack
[10:56] <buz> rsync'ing the whole system for one
[10:56] <ardchoille> buz: If I wanted to break into your computer, I know you have a root account and I can sit here for months brute forcing it. But, I can't brute force a root account if it's disabled and I can't get into your user accounts because I don't know the usernames.
[10:56] <Amarilis> guys, where i can find inittab file in kubuntu? or is another file that let me to start kubuntu in level 3
[10:57] <buz> i doubt you can brute force my ssh server
[10:57] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: yeah, i'm not finding any good way to do hyperlinks in it's composer.  I'll drop it in the bug tracker for ya as a feature request though.  for now, evolution/thunderbird would be better for a user that 'needs' that functionality.
[10:57] <dazjorz> ardchoille: Maybe he doesn't have any ssh server running
[10:57] <crimsun> Amarilis: runlevel 2 is the default.
[10:57] <dazjorz> or any other server to log in to
[10:57] <buz> mostly because i usually dont have it running and a hardware firewall on top of that
[10:57] <zipper> where can i find "System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager" in kubuntu?
[10:57] <crimsun> Amarilis: on Debian-based systems (Ubuntu being one), runlevels 2-5 are identical by default.
[10:57] <ardchoille> dazjorz: I think you're a little confused ;)
[10:57] <zipper> "System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager" is for ubuntu
[10:57] <Amarilis> oh i see
[10:57] <dazjorz> ardchoille: I think not
[10:57] <buz> neither do it
[10:57] <dazjorz> ardchoille: do you mean logging in physically or remotely?
[10:57] <buz> i
[10:57] <SilentDis> zipper: what are you trying to install?  if it's vid drivers...  you'll find a world of headaches going that route.  lol
[10:58] <buz> besides, on servers i use public key auth anyway
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: there has been a bug posted about it now for a few years, they refuse to fix it because "we dont like html"
[10:58] <zipper> SilentDis: the wiki recommends it =/
[10:58] <SilentDis> zipper: I will see about updating the wiki.  are you doing vid drivers?
[10:58] <zipper> yes
[10:58] <buz> truth to be told, kde lacks a sane wysigwyg html control
[10:59] <buz> so thats why (i think)
[10:59] <SilentDis> zipper: what kind of vid card, nvidia?
[10:59] <zipper> SilentDis: but then, how do i get a console login working? ctrl+alt+1/2/3/ect gives me a console alright, but there is no login screen
[10:59] <don> hi, i'm new to kubuntu and ubuntu in general.  I'm just fed up with windows and want to switch.  I'm very confused though as to what the difference is between kubuntu and ubuntu??  The only diff i see is that all kubuntu apps start with K (which is really silly) and are otherwise in their own little universe of "K" apps.  Is there something I'm missing??  Why is KDE ?
[10:59] <zipper> yes, nvidia
[10:59] <zipper> 7900gt
[10:59] <SilentDis> zipper: it's ctrl-alt-f1, give that a try first.  you can swap back with ctrl-alt-f7
[10:59] <buz> don: its mostly a matter of taste
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Im getting this feeling that when it comes to HTML kde has a huge hole
[10:59] <buz> you can try both, on the same machine, from one install
[10:59] <dazjorz> don: Well, yeah, you're right, it's a bit silly
[11:00] <zipper> SilentDis: thats what i meant, sorry
[11:00] <dazjorz> don: Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux based on Debian, and it uses Gnome as a graphical environment
[11:00] <dazjorz> don: Kubuntu is pretty much the same as Ubuntu, but it uses KDE as an environment
[11:01] <don> why would i want KDE over Gnome? or vice versa?  Am i missing out on something by picking one or the other?
[11:01] <dazjorz> don: I found most users coming from Windows like Kubuntu a lot more, since it looks like Windows and it has things looking like control panels, etcetera.
[11:01] <dazjorz> don: As buz said, it's mostly a matter of taste
[11:01] <don> KDE does look prettier, but is that all?
[11:01] <ardchoille> don: Purely personal preference.
[11:01] <buz> don: you wont miss anything
[11:01] <dazjorz> don: If you start looking into a lot of communities, there are KDE and gnome flamewars going on all the time
[11:01] <buz> both can run each others apps but they tend to look kinda weird
[11:01] <don> ugh...
[11:02] <zipper> SilentDis: it seems to be cought running in rc.locals... thats why when i close down kdm, i still am not able to log in anywhere
[11:02] <don> so its just added confusion... lovely..
[11:02] <buz> no its choice
[11:02] <WillJitsu> SilentDis: I'm trying to install drivers for the 6800GT... and I was looking at the same wiki that said use System -> Administration ->Restricted Devices MAnager.  what method do you suggest I use?
[11:02] <SilentDis> don: linux works a little different, as the main parts of the OS are detatched from the user interface for the most part.  a very basic view of it is Kernel > X Windows > Window Manager.  One window manager is KDE, another is Gnome (xfce fluxbox, whole host of others out there too)
[11:02] <dazjorz> don: KDE applications (most start with 'K') run fine on Gnome
[11:02] <dazjorz> don: On the other hand, Gnome applications run fine on KDE too
[11:03] <SilentDis> zipper, WillJitsu: first, install the build essential package: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:03] <ardchoille> kde and gnome are desktop environments, not window managers. the window manager in gnome is metacity and the window manager in kde is kwin.
[11:03] <dazjorz> ardchoille++ # correct
[11:03] <SilentDis> zipper, WillJitsu: then, download the driver from nvidia's website: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[11:03] <zipper> SilentDis: since when did build-essential become nessecary to be able to log in via the console? =S
[11:04] <don> so what are the pros and cons of each desktop env?  Surly there is more to it than the shiney graphics?  How tightly are the apps integrated with each other in the respective desktops?
[11:04] <SilentDis> zipper: it's not.  it's used to build the nvidia driver package once you've got it
[11:04] <dazjorz> zipper: It's not, it is essential to compile packages from source
[11:04] <don> why did Ubuntu pick Gnome as the default instead of KDE ??  Surely they know something I don't...
[11:04] <WillJitsu> SilentDis: ok I've got it downloaded
[11:04] <dazjorz> don: They are integrated just as well, it doesn't matter which environment you use
[11:04] <zipper> from source? Arent nvidia's drivers still closed?
[11:05] <dazjorz> don: I don't know why they did, but as we said, it's personal preference, maybe the guy / group that started Ubuntu liked Gnome more.
[11:05] <zipper> i've got the install script from nvidia, but that doesnt help me much when i'm not able to get into console-only
[11:05] <don> ok... thanks :)
[11:05] <dazjorz> don: I suggest you start with KDE, if you come from Windows; you can always switch to Gnome, even during runtime
[11:05] <don> bizzaaarrr
[11:05] <SilentDis> don: Gnome, in general, is 'easy to use'.  that's their design goal, and why Ubuntu picked it.  KDE has 'all settings up front' as a general goal, thus the Kubuntu project.  just a different way of doing things for different people is all.  you can actually install both at the same time, should you want to, on your machine.
[11:06] <SilentDis> zipper: what happens when you ctrl-alt-f1?
[11:06] <don> i actually started with Gnome (Ubuntu default) and installed KDE afterwards to see what the hype was all about.... so far i like the way KDE looks, but HATE all the cute "K" prefixing
[11:06] <dazjorz> don: Heh, you're not the only one (personally, I don't mind)
[11:06] <zipper> SilentDis: it switches to the console (as it should). There is however, nothing there. Just a blinking "_" - definately not the usual login screen you'd expect
[11:06] <llutz> gnome is ugly and it patronizes user ;)
[11:06] <dazjorz> don: I don't really know why it started, but I don't mind having six applications running at the same time that all start with 'K'
[11:07] <ardchoille> don: My opinion is that gnome is made to be quick to use without much configuration options. kde is made to look better and have more flexible config with lots of config options. kde also has better "office"  integration in kontact than gnome does with evolution. But, remember, this is all merely opinion.
[11:07] <dazjorz> don: Konsole, Kopete, Konversation, Amarok (previously amaroK), Klipper,...
[11:07] <SilentDis> WillJitsu: after build-essential is installed, and you've got the driver pack from their webpage, use ctrl-alt-f1 to go to a console.  kill kdm (sudo killall kdm works), and run it (sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run, for example).  it should prompt you through the rest from there. :)
[11:08] <WillJitsu> SilentDis: ok I'll give that a try
[11:08] <dazjorz> WillJitsu: umm
[11:08] <dazjorz> WillJitsu: You know that ctrl-alt-F1 gets you out of graphical environment, right?
[11:08] <dazjorz> WillJitsu: do you know how to go back once it's complete?
[11:08] <WillJitsu> dazjorz: nope
[11:08] <zipper> SilentDis: the only way i seem to be able to get into console is at runlevel 1 (rescue mode). But if i try running the nvidia installer from there, it complains about needing runlevel 3
[11:09] <dazjorz> WillJitsu: When the process is complete, you can either reboot (which is unnecesary but at least it works), or just run 'kdm' to start KDE back up again
[11:09] <WillJitsu> dazjorz: ok great.  thanks
[11:09] <SilentDis> WillJitsu: after you're done with that, type sudo kdm start to get back into your graphical interface
[11:09] <dazjorz> oh
[11:09] <SilentDis> sorry, it's 4am, dog was bugging me... and i'm tired.  not typing very fast here lol
[11:09] <dazjorz> Yeah, of course, need to run 'kdm' as root... sudo kdm
[11:10] <dazjorz> I keep forgetting sudo, doing things as root, for a lot of things
[11:10] <dazjorz> and I keep adding sudo before apt-get, on the server where I'm always root. -_-
[11:10] <SilentDis> zipper: hmm... have you tried doing a 'sudo killall kdm' from a konsole to see what hapens?  (it SHOULD drop you to a prompt that way, unless it auto - restarts).  type sudo kdm start to get back to the gui
[11:11] <dazjorz> "<-- zipper has left this server"
[11:11] <llutz> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop|start
[11:11] <zipper> SilentDis: the problem is, if kdm does not start up again, i have no console to type in "kdm start". Tried that already =/
[11:11] <dazjorz> zipper: you do
[11:11] <zipper> i dont.
[11:11] <dazjorz> zipper: press ctrl+alt+F1 to go to tty1
[11:11] <SilentDis> dazjorz: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/simon_says *giggle*
[11:12] <dazjorz> F2 for tty2, etcetera
[11:12] <dazjorz> haha
[11:12] <ardchoille> lol
[11:12] <zipper> dazjorz: sigh... as i explained already, thats my problem. ctrl+alt+f1 gets me to console, but there is no login screen there.
[11:12] <dazjorz> zipper: Oh, sorry, I didn't see that
[11:12] <dazjorz> zipper: what *is* there?
[11:12] <ardchoille> SilentDis: Good one :)
[11:12] <Panda200x> Where is the Login Script? :p
[11:13] <zipper> dazjorz: a blinking curser. The log stops right at "Running /etc/rc.local" but that file only contains "exit 0"
[11:13] <dazjorz> zipper: and could you nopaste the output of "ps -A | grep tty"
[11:13] <dazjorz> zipper: What's at tty2 ?
[11:13] <zipper> same
[11:13] <SilentDis> zipper: ok, that's just weird.  i'm trying to think of what might be causing such a thing, and coming up rather empty.  do you have another 'puter you can ssh into the machine from?  (stupid workaround, but it'll work, lol)
[11:13] <WillJitsu> SilentDis: ok it appeared to install correctly, but I still can't change my resolution past 1024x768.  what might be limiting it?
[11:13] <zipper> dazjorz: hang on
[11:14] <llutz> zipper: init 1 = single, so it's normal
[11:14] <zipper> SilentDis: ah yeah, i guess i could do that, thanks. Would much rather have a working console though
[11:14] <zipper> llutz: i cant install nvidia drivers from init 1
[11:14] <SilentDis> WillJitsu: i've never used the gui to do res changes.  I've always done it through reconfiguring xserver-xorg (old dog, new tricks, etc).  someone else might be better able to help you with that, or I can show you the way I do it (very unnessesary stuff though)
[11:15] <llutz> zipper: no, but why are you using it then?
[11:15] <dazjorz> zipper: same? :/
[11:15] <dazjorz> zipper: that's odd
[11:15] <dazjorz> zipper: what does ps -A | grep tty give you?
[11:15] <SilentDis> zipper: lol agreed!  what kind of machine are you using?  home built or a store-bought box?
[11:15] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: Did you try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:15] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: no what will that do?
[11:15] <zipper> dazjorz: was trying to find a pastebin..... browser messing up atm it seems. "5897 tty7     00:00:24 Xorg"
[11:15] <zipper> SilentDis: home built
[11:15] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: It reconfigures xorg
[11:15] <dazjorz> zipper: there's http://paster.dazjorz.com/ for one
[11:16] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: I'm sorry I'm incredibly new to this.  what is xorg?
[11:16] <dazjorz> zipper: I think the channel pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:16] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: I was told it's the proper way to do it
[11:16] <SilentDis> zipper: your machine isn't even running the extra ttys!
[11:16] <dazjorz> zipper: if the only output is that tty7 Xorg,... you aren't running putty
[11:16] <dazjorz> that's very odd.
[11:16] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: xorg is "X", which is what your desktop/windowmanager run on top of
[11:16] <dazjorz> errr
[11:16] <dazjorz> s/putty/getty
[11:16] <zipper> dazjorz: it's the only output, yes
[11:16] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: ok so just open up a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[11:17] <dazjorz> zipper: I'm puzzled as to why it wouldn't open getty on your tty's, but this explains the absense(sp?) of a console
[11:17] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: Anyway, after you make changes to xorg, you have to restart x for them to take effect. Have you been restarting x after making res changes?
[11:17] <dazjorz> - bah, there's no spelling bot
[11:17] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: I haven't made any res changes b/c the option doesn't go past 1024x768
[11:17] <zipper> Perhaps i should inform you that i just upgraded 6.06 -> feisty. Perhaps that's messed something up?
[11:17] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: I want to choose 1600x1200
[11:17] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: Yes, but I usually do it from tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1)
[11:18] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: open a terminal and do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     that will help you configure x, then you need to restart x with: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:18] <SilentDis> WillJitsu: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.  you'll have to go through some other x setup stuff (should be all defaults), but you can then put a tick for that res, and choose it as the default, then restart x (ctrl-alt-backspace)
[11:18] <WillJitsu> SilentDis: ok thanks
[11:19] <zipper> dazjorz: well.... any idea on how to get it to start up the extra tty's?
[11:19] <llutz> zipper: what does "runlevel" tell you?
[11:19] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: Be aware that restarting x will kill kde, which means your irc session will close if you're using xchat or konversation
[11:19] <zipper> llutz: 3
[11:19] <SilentDis> zipper: i'm trying to remember where those are set....  but it's late, and I worked 9 hrs today already, gimme a moment lol
[11:19] <zipper> SilentDis: :) thanks
[11:20] <dazjorz> zipper: Let me check inittab
[11:20] <dazjorz> :o
[11:20] <dazjorz> where did inittab go
[11:21] <SilentDis> i remember disabling all but tty1 and 2 for myself at one point to shave off a few k of memory use, but i can't for the life of me remember where i did that.  lol
[11:21] <dazjorz> SilentDis: I think you must've done it in inittab, since that's the file configuring the tty's and runlevels, etcetera
[11:21] <dazjorz> !inittab
[11:22] <SilentDis> !console
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inittab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about console - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <SilentDis> !consoles
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about consoles - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <SilentDis> darn you ubotu!  *shakes fist*
[11:22] <dazjorz> "I believe /etc/event.d/ replaced /etc/inittab. Ubuntu refers to it as upstart."
[11:22] <dazjorz> is there any way to add factoids to ubotu?
[11:22] <SilentDis> dazjorz: yeah.  /msg ubotu !<factoid> is <full info>
[11:23] <MPS> > hi, anyone an idea how to put my wlan card under feisty in monitor mode so that they will stay in monitormode and doesn't switch back to managed mode?
[11:23] <SilentDis> dazjorz: it'll get reviewed and added if needed
[11:23] <jussi01> !botabuse | SilentDis
[11:23] <ubotu> SilentDis: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:23] <jussi01> :P
[11:24] <SilentDis> jussi01: lol thanks, we're not abusing it though, we're adding relivent info lmao
[11:24] <zipper> dazjorz: my /etc/event.d/tty2 contains this: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=605
[11:25] <ardchoille> Adding info to the bot is probably better done in #ubuntu-bots
[11:25] <MPS> no one an idea?
[11:25] <don> how do i switch back and forth between kdm and gdm ?  I can switch between desktops no problem, but switching the login window manage, i don't know how.
[11:25] <SilentDis> ardchoille: i always did it in PMs to ubotu directly, and usually had favorable comments from the mods about the stuff I added.  I will go to #ubuntu-bots from now on though :)
[11:26] <ardchoille> SilentDis: Oh, in pm is good too. I was just concerned about keeping channel traffic to a minimum as newbies can get lost in the traffic if it scolls too much.
[11:27] <SilentDis> ardchoille: yep, same here.  I always did /msg ubotu blah blah blah :)
[11:27] <dazjorz> zipper: your current runlevel is 3, right?
[11:27] <zipper> dazjorz: it is
[11:28] <dazjorz> zipper: wait, that can't be right, mine shows something else
[11:28] <don> how do i switch back and forth between kdm and gdm ?  I can switch between desktops no problem, but switching the login window manage, i don't know how.
[11:28] <dazjorz> zipper: what happens if you run /sbin/getty 38400 tty2 # in a [ck] onsole ?
[11:29] <zipper> dazjorz: uhm, it "stalls". Newline, then nothing
[11:29] <zipper> oh wait
[11:29] <zipper> after some time it just ends
[11:29] <SilentDis> zipper: try switching to tty2 then, see what happens
[11:29] <zipper> dazjorz: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=606
[11:30] <zipper> SilentDis: nothing really.... Just a blinking curser, nothing else
[11:30] <dazjorz> zipper: # was a comment sign ;)
[11:30] <dazjorz> zipper: you didn't need to enter it
[11:30] <zipper> oh
[11:30] <zipper> :P
[11:30] <dazjorz> zipper: anyway, what happens if you press ctrl+alt+f2 now?
[11:30] <dazjorz> ...then ctrl+alt+f7 to go back :/
[11:30] <zipper> same deal. Still a blinking curser
[11:30] <dazjorz> oh
[11:31] <zipper> goes for all the tty's btw, except tty1 which shows some info from when i started up xorg
[11:31] <dazjorz> ps -A | grep tty
[11:31] <zipper> still only the tty7
[11:31] <dazjorz> dang
[11:32] <SilentDis> as if I didn't smoke enough already... still searching for ya zipper.  lol
[11:32] <dazjorz> zipper: are you sure the last line of tty2 is "/sbin/getty 38400 tty2exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty2" ?
[11:32] <zipper> dazjorz: i'm positive
[11:32] <dazjorz> it looks double
[11:32] <zipper> let me double-check
[11:32] <zipper> hang on
[11:33] <dazjorz> zipper: could you change it into "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty2", so remove the first /sbin/getty to tty2
[11:33] <zipper> dazjorz: it is as i pasted it.
[11:33] <dazjorz> zipper: if this line is formatted the same way in the other ttyX, change it there, too
[11:33] <dazjorz> then reboot
[11:33] <dazjorz> or, wait
[11:33] <dazjorz> once you changed all these lines, run 'init 2'
[11:34] <zipper> isnt it "telinit 2" ?
[11:34] <snikker> i've run debsum and i've a lot of "no md5sums for ..." (in files as binutils, at, bzip2, and so on). why this?
[11:34] <dazjorz> zipper: I don't know what the difference is, but yeah, use telinit
[11:34] <zipper> dazjorz: omg! it works :)
[11:35] <dazjorz> great :)
[11:35] <zipper> hmm... perhaps i should look if this bug has been already filed. Where to do that?
[11:35] <zipper> thanks for the help btw
[11:36] <SilentDis> zipper: glad it's working at least... found a wiki page with more info, too: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Console_login_on_Ubuntu
[11:37] <cox377> does anyone know a command to restart all usb devices?
[11:41] <SilentDis> g'night everyone, i need sleep lol
[11:41] <Kartibok> test
[11:41] <ardchoille> passed
[11:41] <Kartibok> ardchoille: ta!
[11:42] <ardchoille> :)
[11:45] <jzilla_> im drunk
[11:45] <jzilla_> im hgoing back to the casono
[11:45] <jzilla_> qwho's whith me
[11:45] <jzilla_> LETS GO
[11:45] <dazjorz> heh
[11:54] <dazjorz> !pinf
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pinf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <dazjorz> !ping
[11:54] <ubotu> pong
[11:54] <dazjorz> *wow*
[11:54] <dazjorz> !moo
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <dazjorz> -___-
[11:58] <zipper> anyone know where security.ubuntu.com is located? Getting very slow speeds on it
[12:02] <dazjorz> zipper: security.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138
[12:02] <dazjorz> 138.81.211.82.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer auckland.ubuntu.com.
[12:02] <dazjorz> auckland.ubuntu.com :/
[12:03] <kraut> moin
[12:27] <Kartibok> Could someone give me an idea how I could uninstall VMPlayer using the command line?
[12:28] <ardchoille> sudo apt-get remove vmware-player    ?
[12:28] <DJServers> yo
[12:29] <Kartibok> ardchoille: Looks like thats it.....cheers
[12:29] <ardchoille> :)
[12:30] <ardchoille> Kartibok: You can see if a package is installed with: apt-cache policy packagename
[12:30] <ardchoille> Or search the repos for a package: apt-cache search packagename
[12:32] <MrDigimon> is there any free windows game emulators to linux?
[12:32] <DJServers> can ya still see mee?
[12:33] <Kartibok> ardchoille: I initially downloaded the package from VMWare, but when I had networking issues I wanted to remove it, but it was not in the add/remove program options
[12:34] <ardchoille> DJServers: yes
[12:34] <zipper> When trying to run the NVIDIA installer script, i get an error about it not being able to find the kernel source. What package do i need? Already got build-essentials
[12:34] <ardchoille> zipper: Why are you using a script when the drivers are in the repos?
[12:35] <zipper> ardchoille: thought the drivers in the repos were old?
[12:35] <zipper> or well
[12:35] <zipper> at least not as new as the binary ones from the nvidia site
[12:36] <ardchoille> zipper: I'm using the nvidia drivers fro the repos and they work quite well. I don't know what's on the nvidia site.
[12:36] <zipper> okay
[12:36] <zipper> do i need to change my xorg.conf manually when using those from the repos?
[12:36] <ardchoille> !nvidia
[12:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:37] <ardchoille> That's what I followed. I installed one package, ran one command, restarted x and voila :)
[12:39] <zipper> nice, the ones from the repos works fine it seems
[12:40] <zipper> !help
[12:40] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:40] <Kubuntu> I can't copile the wireless network drivers!
[12:41] <Kubuntu> How should I copile the beklin drivers?
[12:41] <Kubuntu> Is it enogh to type make?
[12:42] <ardchoille> Kubuntu: Don't the drivers come with a README or INSTALL files? Or some kind of docs?
[12:43] <Kubuntu> yes
[12:44] <Kubuntu> It says make: *** No rule to make target `config'.  Stop.
[12:44] <ardchoille> Isn't there some documentation on installing?
[12:46] <Kubuntu> yes, but when I follow them I get errors
[12:47] <fildo> can anyone help me witha pcmcia dvb-t card ?
[12:47] <Kubuntu> No
[12:48] <DJServers> !format
[12:48] <DJServers> !format
[12:48] <DJServers> ...
[12:48] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:48] <zipper> Is there any way to increase write/read speeds of your harddrives?
[12:50] <Kubuntu> no
[12:51] <chuen> Morning all. My system's just done its routine 'Hda1 mounted 30 times' check, and the error * Activating swap [fail]  appeared.
[12:51] <chuen> This was followed by 'unable to find swap-space' signature.
[12:52] <chuen> What should I do?
[12:55] <zipper> any way to increase HDD transfer speed?
[12:55] <zipper> !help
[12:55] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:55] <sivaji> zipper enable dma
[12:56] <seu> salut
[12:56] <zipper> sivaji: any hints on how to do that?
[12:56] <sivaji> !dma
[12:56] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[12:56] <sivaji> zipper ok
[12:57] <Kubuntu> How can I install ndiswrapper??
[12:58] <sivaji> chuen echo "/swapfilelocation     none swap 0 0 " >> /etc/fstab
[12:59] <sivaji> chuen tell me what output u get for this command
[12:59] <Kubuntu> How do I install ndiswrapper?
[01:00] <chuen> sivaj: permission denied (tried sudo too)
[01:00] <sivaji> Kubuntu try #ubuntu
[01:00] <Kubuntu> why?
[01:00] <Greenery> my kubuntu sometimes wont shutdown properly...any idea what's wrong?
[01:00] <chuen> sivaji: permission denied
[01:00] <Kubuntu> Mine either
[01:00] <mrmonday> anyone know what the password for the kubuntu live CD is?
[01:00] <zipper> Hmm, after installing kubuntu, i cant boot my legit windows XP cd. What gives? Grub starts before i get the chance to boot the cd
[01:00] <Kubuntu> nothing?
[01:01] <Kubuntu> tried bios settings?
[01:01] <mrmonday> Kubuntu, tried it
[01:01] <sivaji> chuen "swapon -s" try this
[01:01] <chuen> sivaji: That was using sudo too.
[01:02] <zipper> Kubuntu: dont think its bios settings, since i were able to boot it before i installed kubuntu
[01:02] <chuen> sivaji: OK
[01:02] <Kubuntu> zipper ok
[01:02] <chuen> sivaji: OK, it accepted that comand.
[01:02] <sivaji> chuen what u get
[01:03] <chuen> sivaji: No output from command - cust back to prompt.
[01:03] <sivaji> chuen paste u r output
[01:03] <chuen> sivaji: Oh, shoudl I try the previosu command again.
[01:04] <sivaji> no that is wrong swapon -s will show u r swap partition information
[01:04] <Greenery> is it normal for kubuntu not shutting down properly at times?
[01:05] <chuen> sivaji: No output at all from that.
[01:05] <Kubuntu> Yes, mine doesn't!
[01:06] <Greenery> so is it safe to turn it off from the power output? or have to hit the reset button and redo the shutdown?
[01:06] <chuen> sivaji: any idea what to try next?
[01:06] <sivaji> chuen sudo  fdisk -l will show all partition check whether u have swap
[01:06] <Kubuntu> Yes, it is totally safe
[01:07] <Kubuntu> might break your screencard though
[01:07] <Greenery> so it is a known problem for kubuntu?
[01:07] <chuen> sivaji: OIK, one sec.
[01:08] <Kubuntu> greenery Don't know, but it is a problem for me!
[01:08] <chuen> sivaji: Disk /dev/sda: 2047 MB, 2047868416 bytes
[01:08] <chuen> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 248 cylinders
[01:08] <chuen> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[01:08] <chuen>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:08] <chuen> /dev/sda1               1          10       80293+   0  Empty
[01:08] <chuen> /dev/sda2              11         248     1911732    b  W95 FAT32
[01:09] <sivaji> chuen u r swap partition is not working is it?
[01:09] <chuen> sivaji: No, it's not!
[01:09] <chuen> sivaji: But it was until today AFAIK.
[01:10] <chuen> sivaji: Not sure why the W95 FAT32 is there either.
[01:10] <sivaji> chuen u have or had  windows
[01:11] <chuen> sivaji: Yes, I did - thought I got rid af all traces :)
[01:12] <sivaji> chuen i think u didnt deallocate that partition
[01:12] <chuen> sivaji: Not sure why swap would suddenly 'disappear'.
[01:12] <chuen> sivaji: I have had swap until now - is it automatic when I insytall ed Kubuntu?
[01:12] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to encode a speex in soundkonverter.  However the file decodes to 99% and then stops.  It doesn't encode nor come up with any errors.  The program says I have the right packages installed to perform this operation.  What should I do?
[01:13] <chuen> sivaji: Oh, ISWYM - deallocate Win partition.
[01:14] <sivaji> chuen do u have ram more that 1gb it means u dont need swap partition
[01:14] <zipper> how do i set kubuntu to use firefox as default instead of konquerer?
[01:14] <chuen> sivaji: No, I have 512mb
[01:14] <sivaji> chuen "fdisk -l " says u dont have swap partition
[01:15] <sivaji> chuen u want to create a swap partition now
[01:15] <chuen> savaji: OK, maybe I was hallucinating! Can I create on - is it easy (and safe) to do so?
[01:15] <chuen> sivaji: I think I should, yes.
[01:16] <sivaji> try ksyguard whether u r swap space is being used or not
[01:16] <sivaji> chuen
[01:17] <chuen> sivaji: OK, I have that - what should I check for?
[01:18] <sivaji> can see memory usage at the bottom
[01:18] <chuen> sivaji: No swap space available ...
[01:19] <mrmonday> so no one know the password/username?
[01:22] <ardchoille> mrmonday: There isn't one, when you use sudo it executes the command without need of a password.
[01:22] <ardchoille> At least it always has for me.
[01:23] <mrmonday> the thing is, it asks for a password!
[01:23] <chuen> sivaji: So does that mean there is no swapspace available that can be created?
[01:23] <chuen> sivaji: Not enough physical disk space?
[01:23] <ardchoille> mrmonday: I've never seen the livecd do that.
[01:23] <mrmonday> I can't even get to a point where I can get to a CLI
[01:30] <Karti> When I look at my iwconfig it shows my encryption key in clear text - is this right?
[01:31] <llutz> Karti: if you call it as root, yes
[01:31] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use soundKonverter to convert a ogg to a spx file.  However the program was for some reason trying to encode with gogo which is a mp3 encoder.  It would freeze after trying to do this.  So I installed gogo and now it cant read the files.  What should I do?
[01:32] <Karti> llutz: just realised........many thanks......I win the numpty award as it was a root session!
[01:38] <gemidjy> this is urgent: when I try to print I get this error: http://pastie.caboo.se/69087
[01:39] <Karti> gemidjy: have you the correct drivers installed?
[01:39] <zipper> I have a logitech MX518 mouse, but it doesnt seem like the thumb-buttons work. How to fix?
[01:40] <gemidjy> Karti: yes I have
[01:40] <flo> hy i'm new to kubuntu (always used ubuntu) is there any restricted drivers manager in kubuntu? i don't seem to findit
[01:40] <Karti> and have you printed from it before?
[01:40] <flo> need them for my nvidia card
[01:41] <gemidjy> Karti: yes I have
[01:41] <leszek> helo
[01:41] <gemidjy> Karti: any way to get Kubuntu's default /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file, it might be the problem ?
[01:41] <Karti> flo: Visit this site.....did it all for me http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/13-must-do-things-on-new-ubuntu-704.html
[01:42] <Karti> gemidjy: I have only worked on the networked printers but thought I might be able to help if it was a PLC driver
[01:43] <gemidjy> Karti: if u can get me the default cupsd.conf file It will be fine
[01:49] <Karti> gemidjy: is this any good? http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl5_cupsd.conf.htm
[01:56] <oslo> hi i managed to use back with new kopete versions my pwc webcam. for this i use svn & this patch: http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=19393&action=view
[01:56] <llp78> ive upgraded/installed glade 3 but i can find the build option to build the apps - like in glade 2 - can anyone help
[01:57] <Black_Monkey> hi, I've just restarted X, and kicker's gone - typing "kicker" on the command line doesn't bring it up - does anyone know how I can start it?
[01:57] <oslo> kopete 0.12.5 or 0.12.6 with this patch seems now ok for myPhilips Toucam 720k webcam
[02:01] <llp78> is there no way to build using glade3 - seems a bit strange that it wont let you build, thats the most important function of the app
[02:02] <ardchoille> llp78: glade is simply a GUI designer. You can, however, use the glade xml file in a python, C++, perl, etc app
[02:04] <ardchoille> I don't think glade was intended to write full apps
[02:04] <llp78> ardchoille been using glade v2 to build a project - under file there is a build - which creates the src - but this option is gone in version 3 - or im missing something
[02:04] <ardchoille> llp78: Ah, ok, I misunderstood you.
[02:04] <ardchoille> Sorry about that.
[02:05] <llp78> ardchoille: check there site under apps - glade can build some smooth apps
[02:05] <llp78> i have a dirty work around - which is design in 3 - save close - open 2, open project build src
[02:09] <sercik> HI!
[02:17] <thomax> hi y'all
[02:17] <thomax> anyone got an idea what tools to use to backup encrypted dvd's?
[02:18] <sercik> dvdrip
[02:19] <sercik> i think should work also with encripted
[02:19] <thomax> doesn't seem to do the trick :(
[02:19] <sercik> have you already tried^
[02:19] <sercik> ^
[02:19] <thomax> I'll give you error 1 sec
[02:19] <thomax> jup
[02:19] <sercik> i know that latest dvd are hard to decrypt
[02:19] <thomax> gonna try k9copy now
[02:19] <sercik> probably only clonedvd can
[02:19] <SSJ_GZ> thomax: Have you god libdecss installed?
[02:19] <SSJ_GZ> *got
[02:19] <sercik> ahah
[02:20] <sercik> god libdecss!
[02:20] <SSJ_GZ> Hehe
[02:20] <SSJ_GZ> All worship libdecss!
[02:20] <sercik> i tought was a divene library
[02:20] <thomax> SSJ_GZ: now that you say it
[02:21] <thomax> SSJ_GZ: I thought I had, but I cant seem to find it in my repos :(
[02:21] <thomax> !libdecss
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libdecss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <SSJ_GZ> thomax: Installing that would be a good start, then - I don't know of any rippers that bundle it :)
[02:22] <thomax> SSJ_GZ: any idea where i can find deb packages
[02:22] <kblog> how do i get informations about my wlan-card? lspci?
[02:22] <sercik> of what?
[02:22] <sercik> ifwconfig
[02:22] <sercik> or iwconfig
[02:22] <sercik> i don't remember
[02:22] <SSJ_GZ> thomax: It can be tricky to find due to legal issues :/
[02:22] <SSJ_GZ> thomax: Google, or search the ubuntuforums
[02:23] <thomax> aight
[02:23] <thomax> thanx for the info
[02:23] <SSJ_GZ> thomax: np - good luck!
[02:23] <sercik> but the name is not libdvdcss?
[02:23] <sercik> or libdecss is abither pacakage?
[02:23] <sercik> another
[02:24] <sercik> i need that adept doesn't try to upgrade a package how can i do?
[02:24] <sercik> i have read apt-pinning but is difficult for me
[02:26] <steux> hi everybody, am using a live cd of ubuntu and am trying to burn a cd with k3b. the program is saying burning successful but the cd is empty and unusable
[02:26] <steux> can anybody help
[02:28] <sercik> try cdrecord
[02:30] <[4K^Javax] > anyone used the SK Insider "pay by call" signup method? /q
[02:31] <steux> adept is saying cdrecord installed but i can't find it
[02:33] <Karti> can you burn CDs with the live edition running from memory? I would have thought you couldn't as it would require access to the HD for data transfer
[02:34] <sercik> it is possible to brun from live cd
[02:34] <sercik> i'm sure because my friend have done it
[02:34] <sercik> and is not a linux guru
[02:35] <steux> i think i can too but maybe i m not using the right burner
[02:36] <steux> anyway what is the command line to launch cdrecord please
[02:37] <sercik> cdrecord
[02:37] <sercik> read man cdrecord
[02:37] <Karti> cdrecord
[02:37] <ardchoille> apt-cache policy cdrecord
[02:37] <rraajj> Hello! How do I set the default CPU policy on startup? I want it to use performance if it's on AC, and powersave if it's on battery.
[02:37] <sercik> but you need before to use mkisofs
[02:37] <zipper> I have an Intel HDA onboard soundcard and a Soundblaster Audigy 4 soundcard. The Intel HDA is set as default, but i want to use my audigy card instead... How to do this?
[02:38] <sercik> cpu police is under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0
[02:38] <sercik> zipper HI!
[02:38] <sercik> but you can't disable from bios?
[02:40] <nagyv> hello! could someone help me please? my laptop overheats(?) if powermanager is set to dynamic (or performance). Could this be solved with a compiled kernel? Or any other way?
[02:40] <rraajj> sercik: Where exactly here? It looks like it contains the some scaling constants...
[02:40] <sercik> a minute
[02:40] <zipper> sercik: hey
[02:41] <steux> thanx sercik and karti
[02:42] <sercik> zipper: hi my frien!
[02:42] <sercik> zipper: hi my friend!
[02:42] <sercik> rraajj: the possibility are ondemand performance
[02:42] <zipper> =)
[02:42] <sercik> ondemand will automatically scale when needen
[02:43] <sercik> or userspace that give the possibility to manual change fid/vid
[02:43] <sercik> but i haven't tried it
[02:43] <sercik> rraajj: do you use kubuntu?
[02:43] <sercik> you can install kpowersave
[02:43] <rraajj> sercik: Yes.
[02:43] <sercik> what cpu do you have?
[02:43] <rraajj> sercik: I have both kpowersave and the default power manager applet.
[02:44] <sercik> so what is the problem?
[02:44] <sercik> it doesn't recognize scaling cpu?
[02:44] <rraajj> It loads dynamic by default, but I want to use it's full performance when it's on AC.
[02:44] <sercik> ah ok
[02:44] <rraajj> But it seems to (still) use dynamic even when it's on AC.
[02:45] <sercik> i understand
[02:45] <sercik> i think that with powersaved you can't do that
[02:45] <sercik> there are severla cpufreq client
[02:45] <sercik> and someone have a configuration much completed
[02:46] <sercik> do you have athlon or pentium?
[02:46] <rraajj> sercik: You know what, I have managed to solve this problem using kpowersave when I was still using simplymepis. So frustrating that I completely forgot how I did it! :))
[02:46] <rraajj> sercik: It's a Turion.
[02:47] <sercik> you can try powernowd that substitute powersaved
[02:49] <thomax> SSJ_GZ: libdvdcss2 does the trick ;-)
[02:49] <sercik> rraajj: http://pastebin.ca/552737
[02:49] <SSJ_GZ> thomax: Excellent :)
[02:49] <sercik> this is a piece of man page of powernowd
[02:50] <rraajj> Hmm...
[02:51] <thomax> rraajj & sercik I use kpowersave, and it supprots CPU scaling frequency
[02:51] <sercik> thomax: we know this!
[02:52] <thomax> sercik: okay ;)
[02:52] <sercik> but rraajj would that on ac connected his pc go always at maximum
[02:52] <sercik> rraajj: but you can't change manully the policy ?
[02:52] <thomax> I can
[02:52] <sercik> or you could write a script
[02:52] <rraajj> sercik: I can change it manually.
[02:53] <vlad> hi there
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> sercik: is this something to do with guidance powermanager?
[02:53] <sercik> that read battery meter a write automatically performance in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/scaling_governor
[02:54] <sercik> nosrednaekim: rraajj would that his cpu will be always at maximun when ac connected
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> hello vlad
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> sercik: does he have a laptop?
[02:54] <sercik> and probably he would to do this automatically
[02:54] <sercik> i think yes!
[02:54] <sercik> a normal pc is always ac connectec or not?
[02:54] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Yes, I do have a laptop. :)
[02:54] <vlad> i use kubuntu 7.04, and i use blender from "http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/feisty/cinelerra/i686/".
[02:55] <atk_> Hi. I recently changed from ubuntu to kubuntu after being a die hard gnome fan for many years. I still have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop on my computer. Everything is running smoothly except my encryption: everytime I open encrypted email I get a gtk dialog asking for my passphrase. How can I change that to KDE's default?
[02:55] <vlad> when i use it in windowed mode sometimes my pc freezing at all
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: get kpowersave
[02:55] <vlad> no mouse moving, no hdd activity..
[02:55] <sercik> nosrednaekim: but you haven't understood the problem
[02:55] <vlad> but in fullscreen mode it doesn't freeze
[02:55] <sercik> rraajj: is there some konsole program that read battery meter?
[02:56] <sercik> i con't have a la laptop
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> sercik: oh..... what is it?
[02:56] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: I have kpowersave. I want it to put my CPU on "performance" scale when it's on AC, and "dynamic" when it's on battery.
[02:56] <vlad> i just wanted to know how can i track any error messages.. maybe they are generated by blender?
[02:56] <rraajj> sercik: You're suggesting we write a script, aren't you? :))
[02:56] <sercik> yes
[02:56] <sercik> if is there some program that give battery status
[02:57] <sercik> or ac status
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: isn't there an option for that in kpowersave?
[02:57] <sercik> but probably someone can help you better than me
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> sercik: yes you can get it from hal or from /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> vlad: no clue... ask in #blender
[02:58] <vlad> sorry :)
[02:58] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: I don't think so... I remember I did this by editing a configuration file.
[02:58] <sercik> we can filtrate this output with sed
[02:58] <sercik> and then add an if condition
[02:59] <sercik> that launch sudo /etc/init,d/powersaved stop
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> sercik: not a problem...I already have a script that will do it...
[02:59] <sercik> we can add this script to cron
[02:59] <sercik> every ten minutes
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> sercik: 10? we can make it event driven I think..
[03:00] <sercik> was an example
[03:00] <sercik> can you give me the output of /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> sercik: maybe we should request they add that to guidance-power0manager
[03:00] <sercik> ?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> sercik: sure
[03:00] <sercik> yes will be better
[03:01] <sercik> i will tri to do a script
[03:02] <sercik> rraajj: but you don't think that powernowd coule resolve your problem?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> sercik: actually, you want /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state
[03:02] <sercik> oh better
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: sercik i'm almost certain I saw that option in there
[03:03] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Hmm, I think I got it!
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: good.
[03:04] <sercik> good rraajj you can post the solution
[03:04] <rraajj> kpowersave changes the scheme (not the policy) to powersave when it's on battery.
[03:04] <rraajj> And (by default) to performance when it's on AC.
[03:05] <sercik> sure i can understand what you mean
[03:05] <rraajj> And then you could customize both schemes to use a certain CPU policy.
[03:05] <sercik> so this is perfect
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: heh... that works..
[03:05] <sercik> rraajj: is the best! :)
[03:05] <rraajj> The default CPU policy in performance is dynamic. I changed it to performance and it seemed to work for me. :)
[03:05] <sercik> strange nick rraajj
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> anything is better than writing a script.;)
[03:06] <rraajj> I have no idea if the settings will be restored once I reboot, though. (like that gtk-engines-qt font problem) :))
[03:06] <sercik> but why do you want to use more electric power
[03:06] <sercik> do you think to llose performance using scale?
[03:06] <sercik> loose
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> sercik: actually yes you do lose a little doing dynamic
[03:07] <sercik> yes a little
[03:07] <rraajj> sercik: There is actually a delay when you use scaling.
[03:07] <sercik> but 2% of less performanca?
[03:07] <sercik> but 2% of less performance?
[03:07] <sercik> 3%
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> sercik: I can notice it in games
[03:08] <sercik> so all is good what finh good!
[03:08] <sercik> so all is good what finish good!
[03:08] <rraajj> sercik: Lol! Ahahaha.
[03:08] <sercik> i don't if in english this exists
[03:08] <sercik> i use it in italian
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> what exists?
[03:09] <rraajj> Speaking of the gtk-engines-qt problem, does anyone else here experience problems when configuring the default font and styles used by GTK applications?
[03:09] <sercik> all is good what finish good
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: nope
[03:09] <sercik> in italiano is: tutto  bene quello che finisce bene
[03:09] <rraajj> I can't seem to change them. Once I exit kcontrol, they return back to their default settings.
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: hmm..
[03:09] <sercik> for me works!
[03:10] <rraajj> I click "Apply", of course. :)
[03:10] <sercik> i use human for gtk apps
[03:11] <wsjunior> hello. i installed ksynaptics here but it seems it doesnt work. when i disable the touchpad it doesnt stop working as it should. does anybody know what could be happening? also, when i log into kde the scroll of the touchpad works, but after some time it stop and i only have it back if i log into kde again :(
[03:11] <sercik> but this problem afflict feisty and not edgy (for me)
[03:11] <rraajj> sercik: I actually just want to change GTK fonts, but it always changes back to the default.
[03:12] <sercik> but do you use feisty?
[03:12] <rraajj> sercik: Yes, I'm now on Feisty.
[03:12] <sercik> feisty is full of problems
[03:12] <sercik> i have switched to edgy
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> fiesty is working great here
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: BTW,,, yould you like a wattmeter for fiesty?
[03:13] <sercik> measures power consumption?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> sercik: yeah
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> sercik: only works on laptops though.
[03:14] <sercik> wille be better a dollars meter
[03:14] <sercik> or euro
[03:14] <rraajj> sercik: I'm a SimplyMepis user myself since I got this laptop. I migrated my system to Feisty for the kernel updates.
[03:14] <mike_> beryl is cool
[03:14] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Sure! :)
[03:14] <sercik> rraajj: i have also ried simplymepis
[03:14] <Darkrift2> quick q
[03:14] <sercik> but had a bug with my 7600GT
[03:14] <Darkrift2> how do i know if ive upgraded the kernel?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: its a hack to guidance-powermanager
[03:15] <Darkrift2> i dont remember doing it, but when im in grub
[03:15] <sercik> now i'm on kubuntu original (edgy)
[03:15] <Darkrift2> i see 3 options
[03:15] <sercik> tyoe uname -r
[03:15] <sercik> and you will see your kernel version
[03:15] <sercik> Darkrift2: but you are upgrading now?
[03:15] <Darkrift2> no
[03:15] <Darkrift2> but i used to see 2 opttions in grub
[03:15] <sercik> yes
[03:15] <Darkrift2> kernel blah
[03:15] <sercik> is for sure
[03:16] <Darkrift2> and kernel blah-recovery
[03:16] <sercik> becuase when you install a newer version the older is not uninstalled by default
[03:16] <rraajj> Darkrift2: Is the memtest and the system rescue entries already included in the 3 entries you're saying?
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> now there are 4?
[03:16] <Darkrift2> no
[03:16] <Darkrift2> now there is xxxxx-16
[03:16] <Darkrift2> xxxxxxx-16-recovery
[03:16] <Darkrift2> xxxxxxxx-15
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/making-guidance-power-manager-into-a-wattmeter/
[03:16] <Darkrift2> and
[03:16] <Darkrift2> xxxxxxxx-15-recovery
[03:17] <sercik> Darkrift2: you need to manually uninstall -15
[03:17] <rraajj> Darkrift2: It might have happened on a dist-upgrade or a simple upgrade. Kernel updates are (I think) regular entities in the repos.
[03:17] <Darkrift2> i c
[03:17] <sercik> if you are sure that -16 works good for you
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift2: then yeah.. you updated your kernel
[03:17] <rraajj> Did you dist-upgrade or upgrade recently?
[03:17] <Darkrift2> i dont even remember when it happened
[03:17] <Darkrift2> nope
[03:17] <Darkrift2> fresh install
[03:17] <Darkrift2> only thing i did was install linux-headers
[03:17] <Darkrift2> that seems to be what caused it
[03:17] <sercik> Darkrift2: don't worry this i snot a problame
[03:18] <sercik> problem
[03:18] <Darkrift2> didnt think so
[03:18] <rraajj> Oh, I see.
[03:18] <sercik> i have told you that if you want you can remove old kernel version
[03:18] <Darkrift2> yeah
[03:18] <Darkrift2> wasnt worried about that
[03:18] <sercik> go in /boot
[03:18] <sercik> and do a ls
[03:18] <Darkrift2> was just wondering how that happens without me noticing it
[03:19] <sercik> strange!
[03:19] <rraajj> The linux-headers you installed was probably the newest version in the repos, and it needs the kernel version it points to. That's why it also installed the newest kernel image the headers need.
[03:19] <sercik> but when you have install headers
[03:19] <sercik> its dependancy comes new kernel
[03:19] <sercik> rraajj: exact
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: did you go to that web page?
[03:19] <sercik> rraajj: speaks english i speak a strange language!
[03:19] <mike_> fiesty is the best release yet
[03:20] <sercik> no
[03:20] <sercik> edgy is better!
[03:20] <Darkrift2> i love kubuntu
[03:20] <sercik> i like kubunt! i love my girl!
[03:20] <sercik> :)
[03:20] <Darkrift2> after getting mirc running
[03:20] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Yes, I'm currently reading it. :)
[03:20] <Darkrift2> i wont go back to vista
[03:20] <mike_> fiesty runs beryl etc very well
[03:20] <sercik> also edgy woth alberto milone drivers
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: if you need any help..shout
[03:21] <sercik> Darkrift2: the grub menu is inside /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <sercik> amd under /boot there are initrd and vmlinux files
[03:22] <rraajj> I'm still disturbed by the fact that I can't change GTK fonts, though.
[03:22] <sercik> if you have 2 initrd and two vmlinuz
[03:22] <sercik> you have 2 kernels installed
[03:22] <hendaus> hiya all
[03:22] <hendaus> sivaji2009 Wb
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hey hendaus
[03:23] <sivaji2009> hendaus hi
[03:23] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Is there a way to do this in kpowersave? :))
[03:23] <hendaus> hello friends
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: I don't think kpowersave is written in Python, so unless we have a C++ guru here, no
[03:23] <sivaji2009> hendaus cant u receive my files which i send just now
[03:23] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[03:23] <hendaus> sivaji2009 where?
[03:24] <hendaus> sivaji2009 on irc?
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: you can always get my other script I link to on the bottom of the page.
[03:24] <sivaji2009> hendaus yes now on irc
[03:24] <hendaus> sivaji2009 i know but i am not receiving
[03:25] <sivaji2009> hendaus y cant receive or u dont know how to receive
[03:25] <hendaus> sivaji2009 wait
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: hmmmdo you have to use kpowersave for powersaved to use its configuration?
[03:26] <hendaus> sivaji2009 try
[03:26] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: What do you mean?
[03:26] <sivaji2009> [DCC]  Offering "dsc00425.jpg" to hendaus for upload...
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: I mean, do you have to keep kpoersave open as a frintend for powersaved. you could use guidance instead.
[03:27] <Darkrift2> i wish my windows key worked more like it did in windows (shortcuts)
[03:27] <sivaji2009> hendaus can u receive now
[03:27] <hendaus> i make dcc ignore off
[03:27] <sercik> someone can help me how to configure a bridge?
[03:27] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Hmm, I'm not sure... They use the same configuration, I presume?
[03:28] <hendaus> sivaji2009 come one yahoo?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: I don't know... try closing kpowersave and see if your frequency scaling switching works.
[03:28] <sivaji2009> hendaus ok
[03:28] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Okay, will try.
[03:29] <RytmenPinnen> what's the command for restarting an app in the konsol?
[03:29] <Darkrift2> i know some apps accept appname --restart
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: restarting an app?
[03:29] <RytmenPinnen> I need to restart the kicker
[03:29] <sercik> someone can help me to configure a bridge?
[03:30] <RytmenPinnen> the window tabs has been stuffed to the left edge so there's a ton of space but the tabs are very small
[03:30] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: I might have closed guidance a while back during the frenzy. How do I restart it?
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: guidance-power-manager in the konsole
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: in the panel? well, just drag the three little dots on the far left of the taskbar to the left.
[03:32] <RytmenPinnen> ah, cool thanks! why does the panel behave that way sometimes?
[03:32] <orbisvicis> anyone know how to make amarok detect both ide drives /dev/hda & /dev/hdb when clicking "play audio cd" ?
[03:32] <Karti> Darkrift2: Try Alt+Space beats windows button hands down
[03:32] <Karti> Its called Katapult
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: you probably accidentally moved somehting
[03:32] <Karti> only found it after some advice from here
[03:35] <Darkrift2> what does katapult do?
[03:35] <Karti> you type the command you want and it highlights the apps
[03:35] <sercik> is a stupid and unusefu app
[03:35] <Karti> do the At+space and then type in slowly Konsole
[03:35] <orbisvicis> is an awesome powerful utility
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> or you can do calculator
[03:36] <orbisvicis> especially for laptops
[03:36] <Karti> sercik: sorry .....I like it!
[03:36] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: I think they have different configuration files.
[03:36] <sercik> orbisvicis: what do you tell?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> or search for music
[03:36] <Darkrift2> wow
[03:36] <orbisvicis> common sense, i sepak of
[03:36] <orbisvicis> *speak
[03:36] <Darkrift2> dont hold back the frills here guys
[03:36] <Darkrift2> lol
[03:36] <sercik> but seach only inside kde menu
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> is very interesting and has a lot of potential
[03:37] <Darkrift2> gn all
[03:37] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Lol, this was echoed back by the terminal: "Warning: policy from config file not supported"
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: crap..
[03:37] <totix800> Anybody here got "Unable to install GRUB in (hd0)" while installing your OS?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: hmmm
[03:37] <sivaji2009> !hda
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: I think we need to add some functionality to guidance...
[03:38] <orbisvicis> hm sercik that is true
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: you know... I think I can hack it to do what you want.
[03:38] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: So probably, they use the same config file but was somehow messed up by kpowersave. Or something...
[03:38] <rraajj> nosrednaekim: Oh really? Wow! That'd be cool!
[03:38] <sercik> goodbye
[03:38] <Karti> when I choose links from in here it opens up my Quanta...how can I change its association?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: yep... PM me..
[03:39] <rraajj> I always liked how the power manager in Kubuntu progresses every distro upgrade.
[03:39] <rraajj> Too bad I can't use it properly (pre-Feisty days) in my laptop.
[03:42] <KubuntuNewbie> Hello
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> rraajj: it might take a while... but i'll figure out how to do it
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> hello KubuntuNewbie
[03:44] <sercik> smbmount nust be installed suid root....... someone can help me?
[03:44] <gan|y|med> hi
[03:45] <sercik> i need to mount samba shares as user
[03:47] <gan|y|med> i have extreme performance problems with opera in kubuntu feisty (opera 9.2). tab switching is VERY slow and uses up to 50 cpu time
[03:47] <gan|y|med> any experience with that?
[03:47] <sercik> use firefox
[03:49] <gan|y|med> pls dont answer if it is not constructive. thank you
[03:49] <nuu> sercik: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmount
[03:50] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: report Opera company a bug on that, if it bothers you. It's not that easy to troubleshoot, it being closed source (unless they have changed that recently)
[03:50] <sivaji2009> sercik samba is just like ktorrent or different
[03:50] <sercik> hi nuu
[03:50] <nuu> sercik: and if you want to be able to umount too using the same principle, sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount too
[03:50] <nuu> hi sercik.
[03:50] <sercik> it doesn't work
[03:51] <nuu> what doesnt work ?
[03:51] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: or experiment with moving your configuration for it elsewhere
[03:51] <sercik> libsmb basec programs must NOT be setuid root
[03:51] <gan|y|med> Lynoure: doesn't work. same effect
[03:51] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: then it's bug report time.
[03:51] <sercik> nuu: this is the error
[03:51] <sercik> libsmb basec programs must NOT be setuid root
[03:51] <nuu> sercik: which program reports that ?
[03:52] <sercik> smb4k
[03:52] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: Opera probably has help email address, or some such.
[03:52] <orbisvicis> are the cdrom ide drives hda & hdb linked to another /dev/*
[03:52] <orbisvicis> ?
[03:54] <gan|y|med> that's the bad thing about closed source... pay time
[03:54] <sivaji2009> sercik samba is just like ktorrent or different
[03:55] <gan|y|med> oh wait. they have a free and a premium one. only saw the latter
[03:56] <gan|y|med> nope. it is just a mail service. argh
[03:56] <rraajj> Anyone knows where the configuration file for gtk-engines-qt is located?
[03:56] <sercik> ktorrent and samba are completely different
[03:57] <xRaich[o] 2x> rraajj: $HOME/.gtk_qt_engine_rc
[03:57] <rraajj> xRaich[o] 2x: Okay, thanks!
[03:57] <Chani> I need to start using lvm. I've got my data all backed up, but I'm not sure what I have to do to make my kubuntu ready for lvm...
[03:57] <Chani> anyone here know much about lvm?
[03:57] <rraajj> This was thrown by kcontrol when I try saving my gtk-engines-qt configurations: "QFile::writeBlock: File not open"
[03:59] <Chani> I'm planning to have only /boot outside of the lvm, so my initrd thing will need to be able to do lvm stuff. I'm not sure if that's in there by default, or if it'll magicallly know what to do, or anything
[03:59] <rraajj> xRaich[o] 2x: Do you know where it saves the font configuration?
[04:00] <xRaich[o] 2x> rraajj: dunno maybe .gtkrc-2.0-kde
[04:00] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: you could still maybe try to strace it to see what it does, but that might or might not be useful and chances are you could not do anything about it anyway.
[04:01] <rraajj> xRaich[o] 2x: w00t, it IS there! Hehehe.
[04:01] <xRaich[o] 2x> rraajj: happy now? ^^
[04:02] <rraajj> xRaich[o] 2x: Of course!
[04:02] <rraajj> Aaaah! At last, Firefox is beautiful again! (lol!)
[04:03] <gan|y|med> Lynoure: well, maybe i'll have go and see if the older versions perform better before i pinpoint the prob to opera and waste time writing a bug report
[04:06] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: I would assume that to take longer than writing the report, but your mileage might vary.
[04:10] <oleg> 
[04:15] <anvd23>  <oleg>  ?
[04:15] <anvd23> hi all
[04:16] <sivaji2009> !hi | anvd23
[04:16] <ubotu> anvd23: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:17] <ixolit> Hello. I've just installed kubuntu. Why this doesn't work:
[04:17] <ixolit>  sudo apt-get install xchat
[04:17] <ixolit> Reading package lists... Done
[04:17] <ixolit> Building dependency tree
[04:17] <ixolit> Reading state information... Done
[04:17] <ixolit> E: Couldn't find package xchat
[04:17] <Chani> no lvm users here?
[04:17] <oslo> i'd liek to erase files i have twice or more on my hards drives, how can i do ? wich programs can i use ?
[04:18] <anvd23> ixolit reinstal
[04:18] <ixolit> anvd23, ?
[04:18] <sivaji2009> !xchat
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xchat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <Chani> ixolit: apt-get update?
[04:19] <sivaji2009> ixolit u must know correct package name to install it
[04:19] <sivaji2009> !info xchat
[04:19] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.0-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 295 kB, installed size 796 kB
[04:19] <judgen> howdy
[04:19] <Chani> xchat happens to be a valid package name, sivaji2009
[04:20] <crdlb> ixolit, make sure you have universe enabled
[04:20] <crdlb> !universe
[04:20] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:20] <sivaji2009> Chani then y apt return error
[04:21] <ixolit> by default those repositories are enabled ?
[04:21] <ixolit> apt-get should just work ?
[04:22] <Chani> ixolit: double-check that it's enabled. and then update
[04:29] <kain> hello
[04:29] <kain> i am having wireless issues
[04:30] <kain> my wireless has worked before but on some networks open and encrypted it stops at 28% configuring device and hangs
[04:30] <kain> i just tried to setup my network for work which is a shared key
[04:30] <wers> kain, you're using feisty right?
[04:30] <kain> feisty?
[04:30] <kain> kubuntu 7.4
[04:30] <wers> there really is a problem with feisty's knetworkmanager
[04:30] <kain> ok
[04:30] <wers> yup 7.04
[04:30] <kain> is there an alternative
[04:31] <wers> so you connect manualla
[04:31] <wers> manually
[04:31] <kain> how would i go about that
[04:31] <Chani> there is? uhoh
[04:31] <wers> run "wlassistant"
[04:31] <wers> in the terminal
[04:31] <wers> then select your router
[04:32] <kain> please hold installing
[04:32] <kain> via apt get
[04:33] <judgen> big problem. ive reinstalled kubuntu now many times. And sometimes when running Xorg everything comes to a screeching halt and the HDD grinds like out of this world.
[04:33] <kain> thnx brb
[04:35] <judgen> anyone got an idea?
[04:35] <korobase> !Adept_crash
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept_crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <korobase> !Adept
[04:35] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:35] <sivaji2009> korobase what happen to u r adept
[04:35] <judgen> !rss-glx
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rss-glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <judgen> !akregator
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about akregator - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <BluesKaj> judgen, how much memory do you have ? and how large is your swap file?
[04:36] <judgen> BluesKaj: my ram is 2gb and my swapfile? dont you mean swap partition?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> yeah
[04:36] <wers> do you know how to run Metisse on Kubuntu?
[04:36] <korobase> crash for Adept_update
[04:37] <korobase> !Adept_update crash
[04:37] <BluesKaj> !aptfix
[04:37] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:37] <judgen> BluesKaj: 5gb
[04:38] <BluesKaj> well, swap that large is wasted judgen
[04:38] <judgen> BluesKaj: automatic partitioning
[04:39] <judgen> BlueDevil: any idea why my hdd grinds so horribly?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> anyway , not knowing what errors are , it's difficult to diagnose
[04:40] <judgen> i get no errors afaik. It just stops the system and grinds the hdd's for a minute or so, then continues as normal
[04:40] <BluesKaj> judgen, it could be the fan that's grinding
[04:40] <judgen> no it isnt
[04:40] <korobase> How to add up the Adept_update's downloading threads?
[04:41] <judgen> BluesKaj: fanless computer
[04:41] <wers> using Kubuntu, how do I change my wireless router's SSID and WEP?
[04:41] <kain_> wers?
[04:41] <wers> yes?
[04:43] <kain> it didn't work
[04:43] <kain> it wouldn't let me connect with the appropriate settings
[04:43] <kain> shared hex key
[04:43] <kain> the network shows and everything
[04:43] <kain> and i have the key
[04:43] <BluesKaj> judgen, then i have no clue ...maybe one of the 'heavyhitters' can help
[04:44] <wers> have you closed knetworkmanager?
[04:44] <kain> yes
[04:45] <kain> brb
[04:47] <fisico> ciao a tutti
[04:48] <Minataku> !it
[04:48] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:48] <Minataku> :)
[04:48] <fisico> ok
[04:50] <sivaji> is there anything like stand by as in desktop ruler windows
[04:52] <kain_> test
[04:58] <kain> yeah still no wireless :(
[04:58] <kain> wers what else can i try?
[05:00] <david_> howdy partners
[05:00] <david_> does anyone in here know how to select your default audio device?
[05:00] <david_> in gnome IIRC there's a setting, but i can't find it here except for in KMIX, which just changes it temporarily, after you restart
[05:01] <david_> programs like amarok dont let you select device either
[05:01] <kain> i'm having issues connecting to wireless networks
[05:02] <wers> kain, try to manually connect using system settings or kcontrol
[05:02] <BluesKaj> david , in the terminal : alsamixer..unmute the ctrls with the letter m
[05:02] <kain> i got all the drivers and stuff for my broadcom dell 1390 mini and stuff setup i had it connect to an open network once nothing since
[05:03] <kain> how wers i'm new to linux/kubuntu
[05:03] <wers> K Menu--> System Settings
[05:03] <kain> ok
[05:03] <wers> open network settings
[05:03] <kain> in
[05:03] <kain> now?
[05:04] <wers> press the administrator mode button
[05:04] <david_> BluesKaj: they're not muted
[05:04] <david_> it's just on the wrong device, i have 2 sound cards
[05:04] <wers> then edit "ra0" if it is the label of your wireless lan
[05:04] <david_> in gnome and windows you can switch but i can't do it on KDE except temporarily
[05:05] <zipper> I have an Intel HDA onboard soundcard and a Soundblaster Audigy 4 soundcard. The Intel HDA is set as default, but i want to use my audigy card instead... How to do this?
[05:05] <david_> zipper - my prob EXACTLY
[05:05] <zipper> !help
[05:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:05] <BluesKaj> david_, sy/settings/soundsys/hardware/select the audio device/advanced linux sound architecture/apply
[05:05] <david_> except i have a catalinia not audigy
[05:05] <zipper> david_: heh, sorry, havent been following the chat
[05:05] <david_> BluesKaj: it's set to that already
[05:05] <zipper> david_: i dont suppose you've found a solution yet?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> what yer soundcard , david_ ?
[05:05] <david_> zipper: nope, in progress
[05:06] <david_> BluesKaj: Envy24, shows up as chaintech, but it doen'st  matter
[05:06] <kain> wers i got nothing just a big red box
[05:06] <david_> BluesKaj: i'm just tyring to select between two, i can do it in alsa mixer, but i have to reboot for it to take effect
[05:06] <david_> and then it will randomly change back to the default
[05:07] <wers> kain, isn't there a "ra0" interface that you can edit?
[05:07] <kain> no
[05:07] <BluesKaj> david_, try this tutorial : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dolby_Digital_Out_(AC3,_SPDIF)
[05:07] <kain> eth0 and eth1
[05:07] <david_> BluesKaj: thanks, ill check it out
[05:08] <wers> ohh... do you know which one is your wlan?
[05:08] <kain> yes
[05:08] <kain> eth1
[05:08] <wers> select it to configure that interface
[05:09] <kain> they are both greyed out and disabled for some reason
[05:09] <kain> when i hit admin mode the tabs disappear and i get a red outline on the box
[05:09] <david_> zipper: i forgot to tell you something
[05:10] <david_> zipper: i can get my card working, it just requires a reboot, and will randomly switch back to the HDA Intel
[05:10] <wers> kain, after you hit admin mode, have you entered your root password?
[05:10] <david_> zipper: right click the speaker icon, click show mixer window
[05:10] <kain> doesn't ask me to
[05:10] <david_> zipper: select your card in the top right dropdown box
[05:11] <david_> also, right click and on sound icon and select master channel, and do the same
[05:11] <wers> it should.. if you do not enter your password, you cant edit it
[05:11] <david_> zipper: then reboot and it should be set up temporarily
[05:11] <david_> zipper: let me know if that works
[05:11] <wers> after hitting admin mode, see if a window will popup to ask for your password
[05:12] <kain> ii know it should
[05:12] <kain> brb reboot
[05:17] <wers> !metisse
[05:17] <ubotu> Metisse is Mandriva's composite window manager. For more information, see http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse
[05:18] <wers> !howto metisse
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about howto metisse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <luca> hi everyone
[05:25] <wers> !knetworkmanager
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetworkmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <BluesKaj> !network
[05:25] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:26] <luca> important question - if I want to install the NVIDIA binary driver from the site, should I first uninstall the nvidia debian package?
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !nVidia
[05:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:27] <luca> thanks
[05:28] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:30] <scififan> hey all
[05:30] <scififan> i just noticed over the last couple of days the HDD in my Toshiba Satellite never stops spinning... is this a really bad sign?
[05:31] <scififan> audibly, too. i never noticed this before
[05:31] <scififan> and it
[05:31] <scififan> is only 6 months old
[05:36] <^RiaN^> can someone crack this >>>  6d268c42e7fd6993f7531dfe348afaad
[05:36] <xerosis> scififan: have you tried running top?
[05:39] <ardchoille> ^RiaN^: I seriously doubt it. What was usded to make it? md5? sha1? blowfish? IDEA?
[05:39] <XVampireX> Hi, is anyone here using noatun?
[05:39] <XVampireX> It's only playing ogg vorbis for me
[05:40] <luca> ok I think I have a BIG problem with Nvidia drivers...
[05:40] <XVampireX> Good for you :P
[05:40] <XVampireX> What is it?
[05:40] <XVampireX> Your X doesn't start?
[05:40] <luca> I have a Geforce 7300 which should use the nvidia-glx-new drfivers
[05:40] <XVampireX> and?
[05:40] <luca> no it does start using the default 9631 drivers
[05:40] <XVampireX> So what's the problem?
[05:41] <luca> point is that for example I cannot start Oblivion here on Ubuntu with the old ones
[05:41] <^RiaN^> ardchoille: i've try md5 but it's doesn't make a word
[05:41] <XVampireX> you can't have both drivers installed
[05:41] <luca> yeah but if I try to use the nvidia-glx-new deb package
[05:41] <luca> using apt
[05:41] <luca> I cannot start X anymore EVEN IF it is the right driver
[05:42] <luca> it does not map the PCI right, I think, or so the output made me think
[05:42] <XVampireX> you need other things too
[05:42] <luca> what shoudl they be?
[05:42] <ardchoille> ^RiaN^: It might not be a word. It may be a md5sum.. or a line of gibberish that was md5'd to make a string. To make some of my passwords, I take a string of gibberish, md5sum it, then sha1sum it. I seriously doubt that string will be of any use to you.
[05:43] <david_> zipper: did you ever fix the sound card paroblem?
[05:43] <XVampireX> look for dependencies
[05:43] <XVampireX> like linux-restricted drivers
[05:45] <luca> well adept says almost everything is installed and suggests nvidia-new-kernel-source and nvidia-settings
[05:45] <luca> let's see...
[05:45] <^RiaN^> maybe it's a website
[05:45] <^RiaN^> ardchoille:  maybe it's a website
[05:47] <luca> ok now I should *just* configure my xorg.conf file *shudders*
[05:47] <luca> trying it out...
[05:47] <XVampireX> luca: try sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:47] <luca> XVampireX: already done
[05:48] <luca> less try it... :)
[05:50] <david_> does anyone know how to restart the sound system, eg if i changed hardware devices?
[05:53] <^RiaN^> david: /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:53] <lu-bao> did my question arrive ?
[05:53] <_4strO> lu-bao: no
[05:54] <^RiaN^> somebody know what is YACE
[05:54] <lu-bao> mh :( okay um how to install nvidia proprietary drivers cause i need them for full 3D support
[05:54] <XVampireX> anyone using noatun?
[05:54] <Minataku> !nvidia
[05:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:54] <XVampireX> Minataku: you beat me! :P
[05:54] <david_> ^RiaN^: i'm getting a NO such file or directory on that
[05:54] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:55] <^RiaN^> david_:  open a terminal and type that
[05:55] <david_> ^RiaN^: yep, in a terminal
[05:56] <Minataku> ENOENT
[05:56] <XVampireX> !noatun
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about noatun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <^RiaN^> !yace
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <dthacker> I trying to use a site that requires a java plugin for FF.  Is that available as Ubuntu package?
[05:56] <XVampireX> Does anyone here use noatun?
[05:56] <david_> thanks, im out
[05:56] <Minataku> I don't, sorry
[05:56] <Minataku> !info noatun
[05:56] <ubotu> noatun: media player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 2605 kB, installed size 6616 kB
[05:56] <^RiaN^> what is noatun
[05:57] <ardchoille> !java | dthacker
[05:57] <ubotu> dthacker: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:57] <XVampireX> Yes but it only plays free formats here
[05:57] <^RiaN^> !devede
[05:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devede - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <Minataku> XVampireX: Yes, yes, incredibly annoying politics
[05:57] <dthacker> ardchoille: tnx
[05:57] <Minataku> !restricted
[05:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:57] <Minataku> Try that
[05:57] <_4strO> !codec | XVampireX
[05:57] <ubotu> XVampireX: please see above
[05:58] <Minataku> Yeah, it's a pain in the ass, blame the popularity and Debian roots
[05:58] <XVampireX> I have it all installed, amarok works, mplayer works, kaffeine works, etc.... just not noatun
[05:58] <Minataku> There are other media players
[05:58] <Minataku> Why use that crap? :P
[05:58] <ardchoille> lol
[05:58] <^RiaN^> what software that convert .deb to .rpm
[05:59] <^RiaN^> is alien can do that
[05:59] <XVampireX> Well amarok is heavy :P and actually I started using ktorrent and when I do preview, it loads the music in noatun... :P
[05:59] <ardchoille> ^RiaN^: alien can but it's dangerous
[05:59] <ardchoille> !alien | ^RiaN^
[05:59] <ubotu> ^RiaN^: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:59] <^RiaN^> oic
[05:59] <ardchoille> ^RiaN^: What are you trying to install?
[06:00] <Minataku> He wants DEB to RPM
[06:00] <Minataku> Right?
[06:00] <ardchoille> Oh, missed that bit.
[06:00] <^RiaN^> i've to os
[06:00] <lu-bao> how to set resolution at 1280x800 ? cant choose this resolution in settings from kde :( but its my natively resolution for my HD ready notebook screen
[06:00] <^RiaN^> pclinuxos big daddy and kubuntu
[06:00] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Mixing packages from repositories and especially distributions is a VERY BAD IDEA
[06:00] <^RiaN^> big daddy using rpm
[06:01] <Minataku> I highly recommend using the repositories available to their corresponding distribution
[06:01] <Minataku> Mixing packages between distributions WILL cause you serious trouble
[06:01] <^RiaN^> thank's for the warning
[06:01] <^RiaN^> :)
[06:01] <Minataku> No problem
[06:01] <ardchoille> I watched as someone on Fedora once ignored our advice and installed an rpm which was converted from a deb.. trashed the whole system.
[06:01] <Minataku> I know this from experience, BTW XD
[06:02] <Minataku> ardchoille: Mine wasn't that bad
[06:02] <ardchoille> Minataku: This one replaced system libs
[06:02] <ardchoille> Which is why it's dangerous
[06:02] <Minataku> Mine was trying to install an RPM from ??? on SuSE, it had 5 deps, which each had 5 more deps, which had 5 MORE deps
[06:02] <ardchoille> Ah, dependency hell.
[06:02] <Minataku> I gave up in a screaming, thrashing fit
[06:02] <ardchoille> hehe
[06:03] <Minataku> I use Gentoo now
[06:03] <ardchoille> Minataku: If you had kept following that, you may have ended up with a completely different distro, lol
[06:03] <lu-bao> omg gentoo xD happy compiling then :)
[06:03] <^RiaN^> ever hear opendns
[06:03] <Minataku> If Portage doesn't have it, which isn't very likely, I can compile it myself without having to work within the packaging system
[06:04] <Minataku> It's also compiled specifically for my system and specifications
[06:04] <scififan>  anyone have a clue why my HDD would spin constantly when top shows nothing running besides the normal daemons and a  browser and irc client? this has been happening for a couple of days now.
[06:04] <Minataku> I don't want part X but I do want part Y, that's what I get.
[06:04] <Minataku> scififan: The HDD is _supposed_ to spin all the time
[06:04] <ardchoille> Minataku: I have 300Gb drives.. it's hardly an issue ;)
[06:05] <Minataku> ardchoille: Not the point
[06:05] <scififan> minataku... i never used to hear it. now i do. i've notived this only in the last couple of days
[06:05] <Minataku> If the system is in operating mode (outside of power-saving) the HDDs _should_ be spinning
[06:05] <^RiaN^> Minataku:  what's software can resize my partition
[06:05] <ardchoille> !qtparted
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <ardchoille> !partition
[06:05] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[06:05] <Minataku> I don't trust partition resizing
[06:05] <scififan> and the fan starts and stops more often than it used to... strange for a laptop only 6 months old
[06:06] <Minataku> Especially if NTFS is involved
[06:06] <scififan> looks like an excure to get a new macbook :)
[06:06] <Minataku> scififan: Yeah, that'll help. *rolls eyes*
[06:07] <scififan> joke, dude
[06:07] <Minataku> Sorry, no love here for Microsoft Jr.
[06:07] <Minataku> aka Apple
[06:07] <lu-bao> help
[06:07] <^RiaN^> Minataku: ever heard YACE
[06:07] <Minataku> I have not
[06:07] <scififan> well, at least they don't include MS software out of the box
[06:07] <lu-bao> System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager     <--- where to find that?
[06:07] <Minataku> scififan: They include worse
[06:08] <lu-bao> i dont have english system
[06:08] <^RiaN^> they say it's an offline server
[06:08] <ardchoille> Well, I have 300Gb drives, I install lots of stuff, and I've never used more than 10% of any drive. The slowest app I have is OpenOffice and it takes 2 and a half seconds to load. So, I don't see the importance of "having apps optimised" for my system. Never had any problems with Ubuntu or Kubuntu.. it's always been stable and fast.
[06:08] <Minataku> lu-bao: There are localized channels that speak languages other than English
[06:08] <^RiaN^> but i don't know where tro dl it
[06:08] <lu-bao> Minataku german?
[06:08] <Minataku> !gr
[06:08] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[06:08] <Minataku> Er
[06:08] <Minataku> No
[06:08] <Minataku> !de
[06:08] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:08] <Minataku> Sorry
[06:08] <lu-bao> ah thx :)
[06:08] <Minataku> That first one is Greek, not German XD
[06:08] <Minataku> No problem
[06:08] <lu-bao> i know XD
[06:09] <Minataku> Retryable brain error
[06:09] <Minataku> X3
[06:10] <^RiaN^> is kubuntu have system restore like windows
[06:10] <scififan> minataku...what' so bad about apple other than closed source?
[06:10] <Minataku> scififan: Closed hardware
[06:10] <scififan> well they run well together
[06:11] <Minataku> The fact that 99% of Darwin is raped FreeBSD code
[06:11] <scififan> allowed under the bsd license
[06:11] <Minataku> It's still deplorable
[06:11] <Minataku> What, they should be praised for ripping off their entire OS?
[06:11] <Minataku> Maybe we should praise car thieves for stealing cars, too
[06:12] <ardchoille> !off-topic
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <scififan> well, the bsd license encourages this.... look at all the bsds... they all borrow from one another regularly... even ms took from the freebsd network stack
[06:12] <^RiaN^> !restore
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about restore - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <^RiaN^> :D
[06:12] <scififan> !dating girls
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dating girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <scififan> lol
[06:12] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:12] <Minataku> !anything
[06:12] <^RiaN^> !id
[06:12] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[06:12] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[06:13] <Minataku> Damn it!
[06:13] <Minataku> XD
[06:13] <Minataku> *lightbulb*
[06:13] <ardchoille> ROFL!!!!!!
[06:13] <Minataku> !anything
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <Minataku> >:D
[06:13] <Minataku> I love you, invisible control codes
[06:14] <Minataku> !
[06:14] <ardchoille> Kudos to the person(s) who wrote ubotu
[06:14] <Minataku> Heh
[06:14] <Minataku> Hrm...
[06:14] <Minataku> !^H
[06:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:14] <Minataku> Interesting result
[06:14] <Minataku> !*
[06:14] <ardchoille> !botabuse
[06:14] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:15] <Minataku> ardchoille: Oh, shut up, it's not like anything is happening right now
[06:16] <Minataku> If you're gonna call me names, don't PM me.
[06:18] <Minataku> You're also ignored, and as if you cared, I'm 22.
[06:19] <Panda200x> He can't hear you if he's ignored?
[06:19] <Panda200x> :P
[06:21] <coreymon77> Panda200x: wrong, he can hear you
[06:21] <Minataku> Heya, Daisuke_Ido
[06:21] <coreymon77> Panda200x: he just cant reply
[06:21] <Panda200x> My old IRC Client didn't do that
[06:21] <Panda200x> :p
[06:21] <Buy-Bye> Just curious -> who's not using kubuntu right now?
[06:22] <Minataku> Me
[06:23] <Panda200x> :P
[06:23] <Panda200x> :O You have the same CPU Speed as me
[06:24] <Buy-Bye> minataku> what are you using? please don't say windoh's
[06:24] <Minataku> Gentoo
[06:24] <Buy-Bye> ahhhh
[06:26] <ardchoille> Whoa, kwin-style-dekorator is cool
[06:27] <Minataku> [12:26:39]  -Minataku- VERSION xchat 2.6.8 Linux 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 [i686/2.66GHz] 
[06:27] <Buy-Bye> does anyone know if skype video can work on kubuntu?
[06:27] <Panda200x> Why would it not?
[06:27] <Minataku> Is there a Skype client for Linux with it?
[06:27] <Minataku> If not, try it in WINE
[06:27] <salmoran> hola
[06:27] <Minataku> If still no, then no
[06:27] <Panda200x> :P
[06:27] <Minataku> Hi, salmoran
[06:27] <Panda200x> And make sure your video camera works too.
[06:28] <Minataku> Or not
[06:28] <Minataku> They don't need to see you
[06:28] <Minataku> XD
[06:28] <Buy-Bye> skype client = yes - but video not officially supported as yet
[06:29] <coreymon77> officially being the key word
[06:29] <coreymon77> but since when did linux users really care about official support
[06:29] <Buy-Bye> exactly
[06:30] <Buy-Bye> just wondering if anyone else has solved this already
[06:30] <shao_lo> I have a crash in amarok that is caused by a bug in taglib http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114469  The amarok guys seem to think this will be broken forever/or until taglib is revved.  Is there anythign that can be done to move this along?
[06:30] <Buy-Bye> I will try wine though
[06:31] <coreymon77> Buy-Bye: try the linux client first
[06:31] <coreymon77> Buy-Bye: native is always better than wine if you can get the same results
[06:31] <Buy-Bye> i have
[06:31] <Buy-Bye> but video button missing
[06:32] <Buy-Bye> it's not the end of the world though
[06:34] <Buy-Bye> besides I try to stay away from wine and look for real linux solutions if at all possible...
[06:35] <super34> hi all
[06:35] <super34> can somebody tell me how to activate the invisible menues in konversation again?
[06:36] <super34> i mean i deactivated them accidently and i dont have any menues now
[06:36] <super34> how can i reactivate them now?
[06:36] <ardchoille> I must be one of those Linux zealots. I'll look for a Linux client.. if I can't find one, I won't use anything. Wine is off-limits, IMHO.
[06:36] <llutz> super34: ctrl-m
[06:36] <super34> thx
[06:36] <super34> ok next thing is
[06:37] <coreymon77> super34: alt+f3 will give you the menu
[06:37] <super34> did somebody got japanese input system working with openoffice?
[06:37] <super34> coreymon i was more looking for ctrl-m like llutz said but thx anyway
[06:38] <llutz> alt-f3 = kde window-menu
[06:38] <Buy-Bye> ardchoille: I agree, I don't want to be pulled into the M$ world - It took me long enough to throw off those shackes!
[06:38] <ardchoille> Buy-Bye: Indeed
[06:38] <super34> or does anybody know where i can ask about it?
[06:39] <super34> is there any irc channel where i can ask about japanese input system with openoffice
[06:39] <super34> maybe an openoffice channel (irc)
[06:39] <ardchoille> super34: You might go to openoffice.org and see if they list an official irc channel, or maybe join one of their mailing lists.
[06:39] <Minataku> Hm
[06:39] <Minataku> !japanese
[06:39] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[06:39] <Minataku> <.<
[06:39] <Minataku> !ime
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <Minataku> Bah, this thing is so useless
[06:40] <Minataku> I know there are Japanese Input Systems for Linux
[06:40] <Minataku> I just can't recall any of them nor do I know if Kubuntu has any
[06:40] <proog> when i select "configure" in kopete, the program freezes
[06:41] <super34> i know it has any
[06:41] <Minataku> proog: Then don't do that
[06:41] <Minataku> j/k
[06:41] <super34> for example anthy
[06:41] <Minataku> proog: Let it sit for a minute
[06:41] <super34> just i cant get it working with openoffice
[06:41] <rohan> in the musicbrainz supplied by kubuntu, it's not possible to look up info for mp3 files - how do i remedy that ?
[06:41] <Minataku> super34: Ah
[06:41] <Minataku> super34: There might be a channel for it here
[06:41] <andersin> does someone in here know how to get mute to work with multimedia keys
[06:41] <Minataku> Have you tried #openoffice ?
[06:43] <llutz> andersin: assign the symbol "XF86AudioMute" to that key
[06:43] <llutz> andersin: use xmodmap
[06:43] <andersin> liutz: it is already. xev reports it, it just does not mute
[06:44] <andersin> llutz: it is already. xev reports it, it just does not mute
[06:44] <super34> thx im asking there nnow
[06:44] <Minataku> np
[06:44] <proog> Minataku: kopete still freezes
[06:45] <Minataku> proog: Launch it from a terminal, then let it freeze again
[06:45] <Minataku> Check the terminal for any errors after that
[06:45] <jruppal> my audio is not working, and i have no idea why. I'm new to kubuntu, and i'm running the Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset on a toshiba laptop. Does anyone have any ideas?
[06:45] <rohan> jruppal: have you checked the volume controls ?
[06:45] <jruppal> lol...yes
[06:46] <Minataku> All of them?
[06:46] <rohan> Minataku++
[06:46] <Minataku> I know on mine the card resets all the mixer values to 0
[06:46] <jruppal> how many are there? lol
[06:46] <Minataku> I have to set them back after I reboot
[06:46] <rohan> jruppal: on my card i need to set surround to maximum, and center and front too
[06:46] <Minataku> Two important ones
[06:46] <Minataku> Main and PCM
[06:46] <rohan> only then it works
[06:46] <Minataku> At least those are the two on mine
[06:47] <proog> Minataku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24869/
[06:47] <Minataku> proog: Okay, those are useless
[06:47] <Minataku> I dunno what's wrong.
[06:47] <andersin> Could it be possible that the XF86AudioMute symbol is caught by something else before it can be processed to mute
[06:47] <Minataku> Try reinstalling it
[06:47] <jruppal> both main and PCM are up
[06:47] <proog> ok
[06:48] <jruppal> how do i check if ALSA is working properly?
[06:48] <jarn> Is there a desktop recording program with low enough processor usage that it can be used to record while a game is running?
[06:48] <Minataku> jruppal: Check there are no stupid KDE things in the way
[06:48] <jruppal> like what?
[06:48] <Minataku> artsd, esd, any kinda junk like that
[06:48] <llutz> jarn: recordmydesktop
[06:49] <jarn> llutz: I tried recordmydesktop, but things moved too slow.
[06:49] <proog> Minataku: if i remove kopete, it takes kubuntu-desktop with it
[06:49] <ardchoille> jarn: The only one I know if is istanbul, not sure how much resources it uses, tho.
[06:49] <Minataku> Beautiful.
[06:49] <llutz> jarn:  unfree "wink", but i don't think it will be faster
[06:49] <Minataku> proog: I dunno what to do for ya now, hang around
[06:49] <Minataku> Someone else may have an idea
[06:49] <proog> ok
[06:49] <ardchoille> proog: kubuntu-desktop is only a met package, it's safe to remove.
[06:49] <jruppal> Minataku: do you want me to kill those processes or something?
[06:49] <Minataku> When I come up against dumbass dependencies like that I give up
[06:50] <jarn> llutz: Thanks, I'll check it out anyway.
[06:50] <jarn> ardchoille: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[06:50] <Minataku> jruppal: No, check their settings
[06:50] <luca> XVampireX done with the drivers :)
[06:50] <llutz> jarn: wink.com iirc
[06:50] <luca> however, Oblivion STILL refuses to start
[06:50] <jruppal> Minataku: where at
[06:50] <Minataku> Make sure their volume settings are up as well
[06:50] <Minataku> jruppal: I don't know, I don't use KDE
[06:50] <jruppal> dammit
[06:50] <jruppal> ok
[06:50] <Minataku> There's probably an icon in the tray
[06:50] <Minataku> Kinda like there was in Windows
[06:51] <Minataku> That'll probably be whatever stupid audio middleman KDE is using
[06:51] <coreymon77> Minataku: :O we dont mention that name in this channel
[06:51] <jruppal> brb
[06:52] <ardchoille> I hate this keyboard, it prints what I typed instead of what I meant, lol  <sigh>
[06:52] <XVampireX> luca: What did you do?
[06:52] <XVampireX> luca: Maybe wine updated didn't work?
[06:53] <XVampireX> update^
[06:54] <luca> XVampireX: wine functions quite well...
[06:54] <madman91> hello all
[06:54] <jruppal> Minataku: my friend says that KMix should handle all of the audio levels....what else could be causing no sound?
[06:54] <madman91> I just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu ... now my amarok wont boot up
[06:54] <luca> in any case I hava also tried to downgrade it to no avail
[06:55] <aspcic> Hi
[06:55] <XVampireX> Yeah but maybe the update itself.. had a patch that made it not work
[06:55] <aspcic> someone can try to connect to my ftp server to see if works?
[06:55] <luca> uhm I cleared the .wine directory before downgrading or upgrading?
[06:55] <aspcic> ftp://sercik.homelinux.net:65001
[06:56] <madman91> where in KDE do I setup auto-launch programs?
[06:56] <coreymon77> madman91: ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:56] <jruppal> does anyone else in this channel who uses KDE have any idea why my sound isn't working.....i have a Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset and am running fiesty.
[06:57] <strabes> madman91: just drag entries from the kde menu into ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:57] <madman91> coreymon77: thanks
[06:57] <sercik> hi
[06:58] <sercik> someone can try please ftp://sercik.homelinux.net:65001
[06:59] <jruppal> sercik: it didn;t work
[06:59] <sercik> thanks
[06:59] <jruppal> yup
[06:59] <sercik> can you telle me error?
[07:00] <jruppal> one sec
[07:00] <madman91> is there anyway I can make my main panel beautiful .. if it could be like gnome, but I could still use kde, that would be great
[07:00] <madman91> can i use gnome-panels in kde?
[07:00] <madman91> omg i can
[07:00] <madman91> omfg
[07:00] <jruppal> sercik:
[07:00] <jruppal> An error occurred while loading ftp://sercik.homelinux.net:65001/:
[07:00] <jruppal> Could not connect to host sercik.homelinux.net.
[07:01] <madman91> how can i close my main panel in kde?
[07:01] <sercik> ok but do you use a browser?
[07:01] <jruppal> yeah, konquerer
[07:02] <madman91> when I choose gnome as my Icon theme it makes everything in kde look like a piece of paper..
[07:02] <madman91> how can i change that
[07:02] <jruppal> don't try to use a gmome theme for KDE
[07:03] <madman91> jruppal: why not?
[07:03] <jruppal> madman91: because gnome is ugly
[07:03] <jruppal> madman91: www.kde-look.org
[07:03] <madman91> jruppal: i like its theme.. i want to use it
[07:04] <strabes> madman91: you can't use a gnome icon theme in kde because the filenames and locations for the icons are different
[07:04] <jruppal> madman91: i really can't be of much help. I've never used gnome, and i'm not exactly a linux veteran
[07:04] <strabes> madman91: maybe you can search on kde-look for "human" kde icons but I don't see why anyone would do that
[07:04] <madman91> strabes: i see..
[07:04] <madman91> strabes: so its hopeless.. or atleast too much of a hassle
[07:04] <strabes> what's wrongwith the default kubuntu feisty look? IMO it's really great
[07:05] <strabes> i didn't change a thing
[07:05] <jruppal> i changed to plastik
[07:05] <madman91> what about gnome panels.. can i use those?
[07:05] <madman91> ditch kde's main panel
[07:06] <strabes> you changed from polyester to plastik?
[07:06] <jruppal> yes
[07:06] <strabes> madman91: again, why? kde's kicker is so much better than gnome-panel
[07:06] <madman91> strabes: but its ugly..
[07:06] <jruppal> no it's not...
[07:06] <madman91> strabes: my gnome panel was so streamlined
[07:06] <madman91> so perfect
[07:06] <strabes> are you kidding?
[07:06] <jruppal> if you l;ove gnome so much, install it
[07:06] <madman91> i knew someone would say that
[07:06] <strabes> everything in KDE is so much more powerful and customizable than in gnome
[07:06] <jruppal> well, it's true
[07:06] <madman91> i just want the gnome panel and gnome theme
[07:06] <madman91> and the rest kde
[07:07] <dazjorz> ...?
[07:07] <Minataku> Mixing like that doesn't work
[07:07] <madman91> why not
[07:07] <jruppal> because it doesn't.
[07:07] <dazjorz> madman91: the gnome panel and theme...
[07:07] <madman91> i am running gnome panel right now.. its a little disfigured but it works
[07:07] <dazjorz> and the rest kde?
[07:07] <strabes> i dunno, try installing gnome-panel and then running it i dunno
[07:07] <dazjorz> madman91: how many rest is there?
[07:07] <madman91> dazjorz: just kde in general.. i like kde's handling of things
[07:07] <elbing> is there anyway to toggle fn to wifi in a non toshiba laptop?
[07:07] <madman91> dazjorz: its kcontrol and so on
[07:08] <madman91> how it actually has stuff in it.. gnome is a shell
[07:08] <dazjorz> madman91: well, the problem is, applications that use kdelibs read KDE's settings, not Gnomes' settings
[07:08] <madman91> ok .. for example.. in my gnome-panel .. the icons were right next to eachother
[07:08] <madman91> in kicker, the icons are so far apart its ridiculous
[07:08] <madman91> and they have taken up a "fat" apperance
[07:08] <jruppal> which icons?
[07:09] <madman91> launching icons from the kde menu
[07:09] <jruppal> o_O
[07:09] <madman91> i went through the kde K thing.. right clicked --> add to panel
[07:10] <jruppal> what version of kubuntu are you running? bacause mine aren't fat, and they are very close together
[07:10] <strabes> madman91: just use the quick launcher applet
[07:10] <strabes> madman91: and then in its options check "preserve space"
[07:10] <jruppal> or alt-space for katapult
[07:11] <strabes> conserve space
[07:11] <jruppal> screw icons :p
[07:12] <madman91> stupid quick launcher
[07:12] <main2> can i change 'power settings' on a desktop? (like i have on a laptop.. )
[07:12] <madman91> wont let me change the size of the icons
[07:12] <jruppal> **so no one in here has any idea as to why my audio isn't working? All of the levels are up, and as far as i can tell, the ddrivers are installed.
[07:12] <main2> i would like to use my powerbutton to suspend.. :)
[07:13] <main2> jruppal, go #ALSA
[07:14] <jruppal> is there an alsa channel on this server?
[07:14] <main2> duh, just told you
[07:14] <madman91> ok
[07:14] <jruppal> ok
[07:14] <madman91> quick launcher brings them closer
[07:14] <madman91> but its still a little fatter than gnome.. no biggy
[07:14] <madman91> next problemo
[07:15] <madman91> where can i find a weather applet for kicker?
[07:15] <strabes> forecastfox...
[07:15] <madman91> isnt that for firefox
[07:15] <strabes> yeah
[07:15] <main2> can i suspend my desktop using my pc's powerbutton some how?
[07:15] <madman91> i want it in kicker
[07:16] <madman91> stupid gnome has a weather applet
[07:17] <madman91> it is kweather
[07:17] <madman91> in the repos :)
[07:17] <jruppal> madman91: use gnome...lol
[07:18] <madman91> jruppal: dont be lame
[07:18] <Bsims> I can get amarok with xine engine to listen to real streams but once the buffer is gone it stops playing ie it isn't continually downloading it any ideas
[07:19] <sercik> install realplay for linux
[07:19] <Bsims> Not the same, I want long term bookmarks and vastly prefer amarok
[07:19] <madman91> brb g2g i will return
[07:19] <jruppal> wait
[07:20] <jruppal> madman91: have you tried right clicking the taskbar and selecting "add applet"?
[07:21] <Bsims> I have compiled it with helix engine and it works but is unstable
[07:22] <sercik> mplayer works on realplayer with w32codecs
[07:22] <sercik> on my pc
[07:22] <sercik> try kmplayer and use mplayer engine
[07:23] <Bsims> As does mine, the thing is I have added BBC radio feeds to my collection in amarok, it works but ends after the buffer is empty
[07:24] <gan|y|med> is there a non-free rep for ubuntu??
[07:24] <XVampireX> NO
[07:25] <XVampireX> !freedom
[07:25] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[07:25] <defection> what did i just join and how did i do it?
[07:26] <gan|y|med> even debian has a non-free repo
[07:26] <_BigMac> Hey can someone tell me how to download these packages: Qt 3.3.x, QtSQL with QSQLITE plugin, CMake >=2.4.3
[07:26] <main2> _BigMac, use adept
[07:26] <_BigMac> they are all in adept?
[07:26] <main2> search for them, and install them
[07:27] <main2> who knows
[07:27] <main2> you might need to dload / compile some of them yourself if its not the case
[07:27] <defection> I'm completely new at Ubuntu, first time outside Windows XP and got Ub. this morning
[07:27] <main2> but if you wonder how to install them
[07:27] <main2> ur doing something wrong maybe, you're not trying to install software from the repository trough adept dont you?
[07:28] <defection> any possibility of getting Trillian on Ubuntu
[07:28] <_BigMac> main2: None show up
[07:28] <pag> !compiling | _BigMac
[07:28] <ubotu> _BigMac: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:29] <NickPresta> @Defection: Check out Pidgin. It is similar to Trillian
[07:29] <main2> _BigMac, what are you trying to install?
[07:29] <_BigMac> pag: I already know how to compile...
[07:29] <_BigMac> main2:Qt 3.3.x, QtSQL with QSQLITE plugin, CMake >=2.4.3
[07:30] <_BigMac> QT shows but none of which seem right
[07:30] <pag> _BigMac, you should at least have build-essentials installed. I guess you'll also need libqt-dev or something like that
[07:31] <main2> _BigDude
[07:31] <main2> you're not answering my question
[07:31] <_BigMac> main2: what question?
[07:31] <main2> those are seperate packages... for what application/program do you want to use those?
[07:31] <_BigMac> pag: I have build essential
[07:31] <_BigMac> main2: for kamefu
[07:32] <_BigMac> main2: and they are seperate, hence the commas
[07:32] <main2> lmfao..
[07:32] <main2> dude.. you'll need to compile and install them by hand
[07:32] <pag> !info kamefu
[07:32] <main2> you said you already know how to do that
[07:32] <main2> so what is your remaining question?
[07:32] <_BigMac> I do, I need the package names
[07:32] <_BigMac> that is what I am asking
[07:32] <ubotu> kamefu: KDE All Machine Emulator Frontend for Unix - binary files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 78 kB, installed size 296 kB
[07:33] <main2> _BigMac, you're talking *******
[07:33] <main2> if you know how to compile stuff, you know how to grab packages for those "Qt 3.3.x, QtSQL with QSQLITE plugin, CMake >=2.4.3" things you named
[07:33] <_BigMac> ******?
[07:34] <main2> exactly ;)
[07:34] <_BigMac> Did it ever occur to you that their is more then one use for compiling?
[07:34] <main2> what the hell are you talking about
[07:34] <_BigMac> I just migrated from windows, but I have compiling C there for years
[07:35] <pag> _BigMac, enable universe and install kamefu from there. If you still want to compile it for yourself, you should command "sudo apt-get build-dep kamefu" it'll install all depensies you need
[07:35] <main2> dude, then stfu.. you say that you know how to compile stuff in a linux channel
[07:35] <main2> now starting ... forget it > i wont respond to you anymore (time wasting)
[07:35] <pag> !universe | _BigMac
[07:35] <ubotu> _BigMac: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:35] <_BigMac> pag: thank you
[07:35] <_BigMac> main2: How about you learn a word before using it
[07:37] <main2> _BigMac, How about you STFU, and stop talking to me.
[07:37] <pag> main2, calm down please.
[07:37] <main2> pag, he's bullshitting me -> wasting my time
[07:37] <main2> i have no time..
[07:37] <_BigMac> I have no problem with you kid, you flipped on me because you didn't know the definition of a word
[07:38] <_BigMac> Are you joking me kid? I just told you I can compile code, I didn't know he was linking me to compiling for linux
[07:38] <XVampireX> !language
[07:38] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:38] <main2> hello .. this is #freenode ... opensource .. we're talking Linux here
[07:39] <main2> not windows.. and now stop talking to me, i dont have time for you
[07:39] <_BigMac> ....Um, I believe there is several thousand channels on freenode, <100 of which are dedicated to ubuntu
[07:39] <_BigMac> ok then stop responding simple as that
[07:40] <Jucato> calm down both of you
[07:40] <main2> Jucato, there's no need to tell me to calmdown, if people disrespect me
[07:40] <main2> the should think i will show respect
[07:40] <_BigMac> Jucato: I disrespected you because you didn't know a word?
[07:40] <main2> shouldnt
[07:41] <main2> _BigMac, good luck.
[07:41] <_BigMac> main2: Ok
[07:41] <Jucato> _BigMac, main2: I'm telling both of you to stop it. if you don't want to calm down, please take your fight elsewhere.
[07:41] <Jucato> !irc
[07:41] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[07:41] <Jucato> er..
[07:42] <Jucato> !guidelines
[07:42] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:42] <main2> Jucato, no need to go on...
[07:42] <_BigMac> Jucato: Ok
[07:44] <main2> Where do i find 'Powermanagement' settings on Kubuntu?
[07:44] <AgentZer0> sammiches flying everywhere lol
[07:44] <main2> (im not using a laptop)
[07:47] <pag> main2, you can configure those settings via kpowersave if I recall correctly..
[07:47] <main2> adept doesnt know 'kpower..'
[07:47] <main2> is it part of KDE?
[07:48] <pag> !info kpowersave
[07:48] <ubotu> kpowersave: HAL based power management applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3271 kB, installed size 5080 kB
[07:48] <jarn> I created an executable that runs another command, only if I try to run the executable from the Run Command dialog it opens up a shell and runs it in there so I can only run it from the command line. Is there a way to make it so it can be run through Run Command?
[07:49] <marccollin> hi somebody can take a snapshot of the default gui package manager ?
[07:50] <main2> thanks pag, show 'not installed' package was marked off
[07:50] <main2> adept was still open, because i was looking for installed stuff....................
[07:50] <main2> but i got it now :)
[07:51] <main2> rb
[07:52] <marccollin> because kpowersave is most usefull when you have a laptop
[07:52] <zipper> where and how do i install new themes for kde on kubuntu?
[07:52] <Jucato> !changethemes | zipper
[07:52] <ubotu> zipper: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[07:52] <zipper> ah, cheers
[07:54] <zipper> How do i make mozilla firefox default for handling urls instead of konquerer?
[07:54] <ubunturos> zipper: open Firefox
[07:54] <ubunturos> zipper: go to edit-> Preferences
[07:55] <llutz> zipper: use kcontrol
[07:55] <ubunturos> zipper: go to System Defaults section
[07:55] <NickPresta> zipper, In System Settings (in kcontrol), to go Default Section > Web Browser
[07:55] <ubunturos> zipper:  and check (tick) the Check Now
[07:55] <NickPresta> Default Applications*
[07:55] <hunfa> hii everyone
[07:56] <ubunturos> NickPresta: I can't find anything such as Defa .... in System Settings
[07:57] <NickPresta> ubunturos, in System Settings, under the Personal heading, there should be "Default Applications"
[07:57] <ubunturos> NickPresta: in 7.04 ?
[07:57] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Are you using gnome?
[07:57] <NickPresta> Yes, in Kubuntu FF
[07:58] <NickPresta> and no, ardchoille, I'm using KDE
[07:58] <hunfa> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[07:58] <llutz> hunfa: ubuntu uses gnome
[07:58] <hunfa> thats all?
[07:58] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Ah, ok, I see what you're saying. That system settings thing is dumb, it just uses sections that are already in kcontrol.
[07:59] <zipper> thanks
[07:59] <ubunturos> hunfa: and most apps on Kubuntu are KDE apps
[07:59] <hunfa> ok, thanks
[08:00] <ardchoille> Looks like someone attempted to re-invent the wheel.
[08:01] <zipper> ubunturos: doing that doesnt seem to work. Nothing happends when i click the "check now" button
[08:01] <zipper> NickPresta: cant seem to find the place where it is
[08:01] <ubunturos> zipper: yes, seems to be a bug
[08:01] <ubunturos> zipper: however, konqueror does provide you an option to open a page in Firefox
[08:02] <NickPresta> @zipper: This is how I am doing it. In a terminal, type "systemsettings". The System Settings window should appear. Under the Personal heading, there should be an icon that says "Default Applications". Click it. In that section, click on Web Browser
[08:03] <zipper> NickPresta: ahh, found it. Thanks
[08:05] <DJServers> yo
[08:09] <AcE13> I am having troubles with nvidia drivers... I'hv used envy and install nvidia drivers.. it all went good. but when I startx the X crashes telling me that theres no nvidia module...
[08:09] <AcE13> I'hv edited out xorg.conf to module "nv" to start my X
[08:13] <AgentZer0> all I'd like to say is THANKS , love my kubuntu fiesty, didn't realize how nice it was on the deb side, hope I never see another rpm! Kubuntu + Beryl + Vmware(headless) + rdesktop = seamless kubuntu/xp ... makes my buddies excuse themselves to go change their Depends!  w00T!
[08:14] <AcE13> I wanna try beryl :-/
[08:14] <AgentZer0> AcE13,  you should change "nv" to "nvidia"
[08:14] <AcE13> AgentZer0: did that... it fails giving me error that module nvidia couldnt load
[08:14] <AcE13> or failed to load... something like that
[08:14] <AgentZer0> then logout, alt-ctrl-bkspce to restartX .... should see the nvidia splash screen
[08:15] <AcE13> AgentZer0: that crashes me to consol
[08:15] <AcE13> *console
[08:15] <AcE13> X fails to start giving error about nvidia module
[08:16] <AgentZer0> hmm
[08:16] <AcE13> lemme try modprobe
[08:18] <ph8> hey all - iwas just watching a movie in xine and my sound has started repeating a short loop - a sort of 'jitter/cycle'
[08:19] <ph8> now whenever i try to play sound anywhere e.g. amarok
[08:19] <ph8> it does it again
[08:19] <ph8> is there a way to reset the sound system/drivers?
[08:20] <SeanTater> I have 2 GB of memory on a 32 bit machine.. But I have never seen even the disk cache go above about a GB. Is it not capable of addressing it or something?
[08:21] <zach> ph8: System Settings -> Sounds & Multimedia, I *think*
[08:22] <Jabapyth> does anyone know of a Palm emulator for Linux?
[08:22] <llutz> SeanTater: if cache is too big, it will slow the system. administering that cache costs cpu.load
[08:22] <ph8> Zach: -> Sound system  - cheers
[08:22] <zach> No problem. I never use the default System Settings module anymore. KControl all the way. :-)
[08:23] <ph8> yeh me 2 most of the time
[08:23] <zipper> Seems like i managed to mess up the appearence of my clock + firefox when trying out different themes. Any way to get them back to default?
[08:23] <ph8> is kcontrol newer then? I thought it was legacy but more functional
[08:23] <zach> The latter, I think
[08:23] <AcE13> AgentZer0: failed to load module nvidia
[08:23] <zach> Err, well... Does legacy = deprecated?
[08:23] <AgentZer0> AcE13, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851 <<< I used that
[08:23] <ph8> AcE13: Trying to get your nvidia drivers working?
[08:24] <ph8> zach: hopefully not
[08:24] <AcE13> ph8: yeah man... with little success
[08:24] <AcE13> ph8: installed nvidia drivers using envy
[08:24] <zach> Heh, ok. Still learning some of the lingo.
[08:26] <vince_> Anybody know a tutorial on upgrading Kubuntu Edgy to Feisty?
[08:26] <DJServers> !teamspeak
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about teamspeak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <DJServers> !TS
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <SeanTater> llutz: okay
[08:26] <DJServers> a damn
[08:26] <ph8> AcE13: Envy worked nicely for me
[08:26] <ph8> what card?
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !update
[08:26] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> vince_: ^^
[08:27] <DJServers> i have: Kubuntu v7.04
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> AcE13: be aware that just because it works for someone does not mean it will work for anohter
[08:27] <DJServers> o no
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> !worksforme
[08:27] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:27] <DJServers> Kubuntu v7.04 desktop i386
[08:28] <XVampireX> Admiral_Chicago: You know what's funny, people think Windows works for them ;)
[08:28] <DJServers> lol
[08:28] <DJServers> good one :P
[08:28] <AcE13> ph8: gforce 6200... envy seems to have detected it and install went fine
[08:28] <zipper> XVampireX: heh... dont be a zealot, windows is fine for most people
[08:28] <XVampireX> zipper: Not as far as I seen ;)
[08:28] <ph8> i have a suspicion i had to completely clean + uninstall then install a couple of times before i got mine working
[08:29] <AcE13> ph8: did that
[08:29] <DJServers> its only fine because you get it whit many pc's so people dont now that there is something better
[08:29] <AcE13> lol
[08:29] <zipper> XVampireX: so you havent seen a single gamer? ever?!
[08:29] <Darkrift2> anyone know about reading adobe protected pdf's in linux?
[08:29] <Darkrift2> or cracking it so it can be read on anything?
[08:29] <AgentZer0> hellz, at least if it's broken on the *nix side, you have a chance of fixing it,  not so with windoze
[08:30] <XVampireX> zipper: Lets go to a different channel, and yes, I've seen, I've seen alot of gamers... and they still are delusional about "works for me"
[08:30] <AcE13> modprobe nvidia  FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory
[08:30] <zipper> XVampireX: linux isn't exactly better for the computer illiterates. It may be great for you and me, but believe it or not, not all people are geeks. Some just want their PC to "work"
[08:30] <DJServers> someone nows the game: War rock ?
[08:30] <DJServers> www.warrock.net
[08:30] <DJServers> ??
[08:30] <XVampireX> zipper: I didn't know Windows makes things just work... after all the hunting for drivers, after all the crashes, after all the viruses ;)
[08:30] <zipper> XVampireX: well... windows is better for games than linux, hands down. It may be due to support, but that's not really important for the gamer.
[08:31] <DJServers> yeah
[08:31] <zipper> crashes and virus is accepted by the general public, as long as they dont have to do techie stuff
[08:31] <Darkrift2> the only reason windows is better
[08:31] <Darkrift2> is support
[08:31] <AgentZer0> cofcofcof
[08:31] <DJServers> ...
[08:31] <zipper> but thats not really important in this discussion
[08:31] <AcE13> local support by your cousin, he means
[08:31] <Darkrift2> prob not
[08:31] <DJServers> is it a discussion ? :P
[08:32] <AcE13> which usually means a format/reinstallation
[08:32] <XVampireX> zipper: That's exactly the thing I'm talking about, DELUSIONAL about "works for me"
[08:32] <zipper> DJServers: random mumblings more or less :P
[08:32] <Darkrift2> i take it nobody has a reply to my pdf problem :(
[08:32] <sybux> I've got some problems with beryl. Shall I post my question here or is there a special chan ?
[08:33] <XVampireX> sybux: #beryl
[08:33] <sybux> tyx
[08:33] <XVampireX> Darkrift2: kpdf should be able to read the protected PDFs
[08:33] <AcE13> Darkrift2: openoffice?
[08:33] <zipper> XVampireX: I disagree. They want something they dont have to tinker with every now and then. Something that plays their games, and let them browse the web. Windows is pretty good at that (but sucks when it comes to security, choices, ect).
[08:33] <Darkrift2> cause i dont wanna buy it if i cant read it
[08:34] <zipper> so for them... windows "works"
[08:34] <XVampireX> zipper: Then you don't get the point of Linux
[08:34] <Darkrift2> so are we sure it will XVampireX?
[08:34] <XVampireX> Darkrift2: It has an option "ignore drm" or something like that
[08:34] <XVampireX> if that fails, get the adobe software, it has a linux version.
[08:34] <Darkrift2> really
[08:34] <zipper> XVampireX: perhaps not. And perhaps you should stop being a zealot, and realize that there are different OS's for different people.
[08:34] <Darkrift2> i couldnt find linux ver
[08:34] <Darkrift2> but i like the ignore drm
[08:35] <XVampireX> zipper: Uhm, I'm not a zealot, just knowing what I'm saying ;)
[08:35] <zipper> XVampireX: since you haven't used a single fact, but only expressing your oppinions, yeah, i sure hope you know what you're saying.
[08:35] <zipper> otherwise i would be tempted to call you a skizo
[08:35] <XVampireX> When things work on linux, they work out of the box, no need to look for drivers, really. And as for the proprietary drivers (nvidia) you just need two commands, and it works.
[08:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:36] <XVampireX> zipper: Not my opinion, just facts.
[08:36] <zipper> XVampireX: What facts?! You're just rambling on and on.
[08:36] <zipper> XVampireX: why should the random CS gamer switch to linux, when he only uses his PC for CS?
[08:36] <XVampireX> think for a moment, and you'll see the light.
[08:37] <zipper> lol
[08:37] <zipper> you're a waste of time
[08:37] <XVampireX> Well because I get better latencies with Linux ;)
[08:37] <zipper> when you get older and more experienced, you'll see its pointless to be a zealot.
[08:37] <XVampireX> and FPS
[08:37] <zipper> uhm, no. You dont get better ping with linux.
[08:38] <XVampireX> yup, I do.
[08:38] <zipper> =D
[08:38] <AcE13> XVampireX: hah right! *about the nvidia bit*
[08:38] <XVampireX> It has been proved
[08:38] <AcE13> struggling with that right now
[08:38] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new and sudo nvidia-xconfig
[08:38] <XVampireX> what else do you need?
[08:38] <zipper> if you had any idea about how the internet worked, you would know how wrong you are. Think i'll leave you in your own little disillusioned world. No offence though.
[08:38] <XVampireX> It works for everyone
[08:39] <AcE13> XVampireX: X crashes... saying it failed to load nvidia drivers
[08:39] <AcE13> sorry,,, module
[08:39] <XVampireX> mismatched modules
[08:39] <XVampireX> right?
[08:39] <zipper> XVampireX: yes yes... you're a zealot, we all know. No need to keep telling us.
[08:39] <AcE13> XVampireX: also tryed envy...
[08:40] <XVampireX> Of course, and that's exactly the problem
[08:40] <AcE13> it is?
[08:40] <Darkrift2> XVampireX, i know ur busy......
[08:40] <XVampireX> figure out how to uninstall envy and we'll talk
[08:40] <Darkrift2> but im wanting to buy this ebook
[08:40] <XVampireX> what ebook?
[08:40] <Darkrift2> but not wanting to waste money if ur not sure that it will work
[08:40] <AcE13> XVampireX: consider that done... now what?
[08:40] <zipper> [20:38]  <XVampireX> It has been proved <- was going to stop, but i would very much like to see the so-called proof
[08:40] <Darkrift2> the secret
[08:40] <XVampireX> ignore drm doesn't work?
[08:40] <Darkrift2> i cant find adobe reader for linux on the site
[08:40] <Darkrift2> i havent purchased it yet
[08:40] <XVampireX> !adobe
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <Darkrift2> are you fairly sure that will work?
[08:41] <XVampireX> hmm, just a sec
[08:41] <AcE13> XVampireX: ok gonna try that
[08:41] <Darkrift2> $15+ for a book i might not be able to read will suck
[08:41] <XVampireX> !reader
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <XVampireX> ubotu is silly
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is silly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <Darkrift2> also, i was wondering if opening it and using ocr on it to get it into an unrpotected format might work
[08:42] <XVampireX> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=10&platform=unix
[08:43] <XVampireX> and if that doesn't work, ask pinotree he's the maintainer of kpdf
[08:43] <XVampireX> actually, that link is wrong
[08:44] <XVampireX> !acrobat
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acrobat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <XVampireX> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
[08:44] <XVampireX> try that though
[08:45] <Darkrift2> u rock d00d
[08:45] <zipper> XVampireX: sorry to bother you while you're helping people, but if you get the time, i would like to see the proof you have on linux giving lower pings than windows.
[08:45] <keith> adept say catalog is locked, how  do I unlock it
[08:45] <XVampireX> Darkrift2: Works?
[08:45] <Darkrift2> slow ass server, but thanks a lot :)
[08:45] <Darkrift2> 21k dl :(
[08:46] <Darkrift2> ill know in 27 minutes
[08:46] <Darkrift2> lol
[08:46] <Darkrift2> adobe is getting cheap as hell
[08:46] <Darkrift2> cant even buy decent servers
[08:46] <XVampireX> zipper: I was playing with some friends a while ago on starcraft via wine, I had the same pings as the host
[08:47] <XVampireX> maybe a bit higher
[08:47] <zipper> XVampireX: couldn't that be caused by other things? Like not playing in prime-time, less congestion control, ect ect?
[08:47] <XVampireX> I don't care what it was I was enjoying it.
[08:48] <zipper> XVampireX: ofcourse. Lower pings are always welcome. But that doesnt mean linux lowers your ping (which is highly unlikely)
[08:48] <keith> is this a debate channel or help
[08:48] <zipper> keith: both
[08:48] <keith> sorry bad morning, just need to get adept working again
[08:49] <XVampireX> zipper: someone invented an ethernet device or something like that with embedded linux
[08:49] <zipper> keith: you need to stop using dpkg/apt in order to unlock it
[08:49] <XVampireX> hardocp did a test on it
[08:49] <XVampireX> and it proved to give better pings
[08:49] <keith> says some other program is using it and there is nothing else going
[08:49] <Darkrift2> lol!
[08:49] <Darkrift2> i used to write reviews for hardocp
[08:50] <madman91> i cant dock gaim into my system tray in kicker
[08:50] <madman91> ?!?!
[08:50] <madman91> and yes, it is enabled as system tray
[08:50] <XVampireX> Darkrift2: :)
[08:50] <zipper> XVampireX: Same has been made for windows. You have to understand though, that it doesnt matter what kind of ethernet device/protocol implementation you use. The only thing that matters, is how the servers/gateways you need to go through in order to reach the host, is setup.
[08:51] <keith> I saw the command yestereday, but it did not apply  to me till today
[08:51] <zipper> keith: could a prior process that used it, have crashed?
[08:51] <keith> no was working fine untill I did a update
[08:52] <zipper> keith: you only use adept for package management?
[08:52] <keith> yes
[08:52] <llutz> keith: try sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:53] <zipper> llutz: isnt it better to see if an old adept process is still running? And if it is, kill it?
[08:53] <AcE13> XVampireX: nvidia seems to be working now... thanks man
[08:53] <AcE13> I am getting direct rendering!
[08:53] <madman91> any idea why gaim wont dock into system tray in kicker?
[08:53] <madman91> when i try kdocker, it says system tray is hiddden, but xchat docks there
[08:53] <llutz> zipper: if he says "theres nothing other going on" i expect he checked that
[08:54] <AcE13> and glxgears is running at ~2600fps
[08:54] <zipper> AcE13: you sure its working? 2600fps doesnt seem like a lot
[08:55] <Darkrift2> 2600 doesnt seem like a lot?
[08:55] <AcE13> zipper: whats considered as standard rate?
[08:55] <zipper> AcE13: it depends on how powerful your box is
[08:55] <NickPresta> I get ~10000 FPS with glxgears, if it matters.
[08:55] <AcE13> zipper: nvidia geforce 6200
[08:55] <Darkrift2> wow
[08:55] <zipper> i think i get around ~10k fps as well
[08:55] <Darkrift2> 10,000 frames per second?
[08:56] <NickPresta> I have a 7900 GS though. I would assume an 8800 would get much more than 10K
[08:56] <zipper> AcE13: probably about right then... try testing it with a game or something
[08:56] <AcE13> zipper: well damn.... I'll be happy if I get beryl running...
[08:56] <llutz> AcE13: "18889 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3777.786 FPS"    7300LE
[08:56] <AcE13> looking into that right now
[08:57] <NickPresta> do a UT2004 demo test
[08:57] <zipper> "70453 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14090.439 FPS"
[08:57] <AcE13> llutz: 13107 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2621.294 FPS
[08:58] <llutz> <- don't need more than 25 FPS ;)
[08:59] <zipper> llutz: Everyone needs more than 25 fps in glxgears :)
[08:59] <AcE13> thats another way of looking at it...
[08:59] <AcE13> lol yeah
[08:59] <llutz> zipper: "mine is long enough"
[08:59] <AcE13> my old shitty system used to give me 100fps... I think
[08:59] <zipper> llutz: aw cmon... it's never too long to stroke your epeen a little
[09:03] <keith_> isn't there a command to unlock the adept
[09:04] <gan|y|med> since i installed feisty (fresh install) i don't have the font 'times' in ooo, and i cannot find it in the repos. does anybody know how to get it 'back'?
[09:05] <NickPresta> keith_, I don't understand what you mean. Can you be more specific?
[09:05] <manuel_> Hola
[09:05] <Darkrift2> q:
[09:06] <NickPresta> gan|y|med, install the msttcorefonts package.
[09:06] <NickPresta> It installs Microsoft TrueType fonts
[09:07] <Aoshi> hi, I need help
[09:07] <Aoshi> I want to have write permission in an nfts partition
[09:07] <gan|y|med> thx
[09:07] <Aoshi> I tried using root
[09:08] <ardchoille> !ntfs
[09:08] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:08] <Raevn> Poningru:
[09:08] <Raevn> Thank You, Thank You, Thank You
[09:08] <Raevn> Thank You, Thank You, Thank You
[09:08] <Raevn>                     Thank You !!!!!
[09:08] <Raevn> FixMBR worked! Had trouble with "device" name last time but figured ot out this time. Loading KUbuntu again.
[09:08] <Raevn> Riishathra available on request, if that is your custom. <snicker>
[09:08] <Pensacola> how can I display the ubuntu version in my terminal (Ubuntu 7.04 for example)
[09:08] <ardchoille> Pensacola: lsb_release -a
[09:08] <Pensacola> thx
[09:09] <XVampireX> Darkrift2: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIzOSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
[09:09] <krumelux> in fact, searching for "times" in add/remove programs will display MS Core Fonts as a result ... too simple!
[09:12] <WillJitsu> I just downloaded Firefox from the website and I have the file in my home directory.  What's the next step to install it?
[09:12] <llutz> WillJitsu: why?
[09:12] <WillJitsu> llutz: why what?
[09:13] <llutz> WillJitsu: why did you download it?
[09:13] <zach> WillJitsu: Just open a terminal and do "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[09:13] <llutz> WillJitsu: install it from the repos
[09:13] <NickPresta> WillJitsu, you should be using your package manager to install applications like firefox
[09:13] <WillJitsu> oh... should everything I ever install be done from there?
[09:13] <zach> WillJitsu: If it's available from there, yeah
[09:13] <WillJitsu> how can I look through the repositories to see what's there?
[09:13] <NickPresta> WillJitsu, unless you have a good reason not to use the package manager, use it.
[09:14] <zach> WillJitsu: KMenu -> System -> Adept
[09:14] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: You'll find that the repos are big and you should always search the repos before compiling or installing from outside sources.
[09:14] <llutz> WillJitsu: apt-cache search, adept
[09:14] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: would it work the same way if I just installed firefox from the file I downloaded?
[09:14] <zach> WillJitsu: Yep
[09:14] <WillJitsu> ok cool
[09:14] <zach> WillJitsu: And it's a lot easier this way. ;-)
[09:14] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: Well, you won't get automatic updates and if anything goes wrong, it's harder to get help since you didn't use the repos.
[09:15] <Dodger73> hi all
[09:15] <WillJitsu> ardchoille: ok cool.  thanks
[09:15] <polypusher> Hey
[09:16] <Dodger73> still having problems with my ati card here. xorg.0.log is telling me "(EE) fglrx(0): GART is not initialized, disabling DRI"
[09:16] <Dodger73> got a pci-express x1900xtx
[09:16] <Dodger73> is there a specific module i need to load for gart?
[09:17] <zach> WillJitsu: You might consider running "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge adept*" from the terminal and then "sudo apt-get install synaptic gnome-app-install update-manager" if you want GNOME's package management programs. I've found them to be much more polished than KDE's.
[09:18] <polypusher> How do you luanch the graphical interface? when i boot all i get is a command line login
[09:18] <llp78> polypusher; startx
[09:19] <polypusher> thankyou :)
[09:19] <zach> polypusher: You might need to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver xorg" if that doesn't work. X should be starting automatically if your xorg.conf is set up right.
[09:19] <ardchoille> polypusher: xorg should start on its own, so if it isn't starting, you need to find out why. from the command line: less ~/.xsession-errors
[09:21] <WillJitsu> zach: yeah I've got synaptic installed.  is there any reason to remove adept?  or should I keep them both on there?
[09:21] <ardchoille> WillJitsu: I believe that would be totally up to you
[09:21] <zach> WillJitsu: If you don't use Adept, you can safely get rid of it. I was pretty timid about that for a while, but doing so hasn't given me any problems.
[09:22] <WillJitsu> zach: all these commands you're telling me to run... do I just open up Konsole and run them from there?
[09:22] <zach> WillJitsu: You got it. :-)
[09:22] <ardchoille> yes
[09:22] <WillJitsu> nice
[09:23] <zach> I love how with KDE, everything's so tightly integrated, yet you can still remove any component you want and it won't break the system.
[09:23] <XVampireX> zach how do you know that?
[09:23] <james__> .
[09:23] <james__> ello'
[09:24] <zach> Well, maybe "any component you want" is an overstatement - I haven't tried removing everything. But the individual components seem to work fine on their own, without the rest of the desktop environment running.
[09:25] <zach> I was messing around with a custom xsession and was able to put Kicker and/or KDesktop into it and they both worked fine independently.
[09:25] <polypusher> when i type ~/.xsession-errors i get -bash:/ home/daniel/.xsession-errors: no such file or directory
[09:25] <maddops770> Question for y'all.  Are there any guides such as: Kubuntu for Windows users? I'm not having much luck and everything i find is for i386 and I'm using 64 bit.
[09:26] <maddops770> Plus I've managed to crash my Adept Package Manager and have no clue how to fix it.
[09:26] <ardchoille> zach: I once used kicker in gnome with the window maker window manager
[09:26] <WillJitsu> I have an nVidia GeForce 6800GT video card.  How do I get the best video driver installed so I can get my resolution up to 1600x1200 intead of the 1024x768 that it's at now?
[09:26] <XVampireX> nvidia-glx-new
[09:26] <llp78> polypusher: try  cat .xsession-errors
[09:27] <polypusher> ok cheers
[09:27] <james__> hmm.. how do i find other channels lol?
[09:27] <llp78> from your home directory
[09:27] <zach> ardchoille: That begs the question: Why use GNOME? :-)
[09:27] <WillJitsu> XVampireX: get that through the package manager?
[09:27] <XVampireX> WillJitsu: Yes
[09:27] <ardchoille> zach: I dropped it a while back in favour of kubuntu
[09:27] <james__> hmm.. im using some IRc client.. hmm..  not the propper irc thing :/
[09:27] <polypusher> any commmand i type in says :command not found
[09:28] <ardchoille> polypusher: Did you happen to end up in busybox?
[09:28] <polypusher> whats that?
[09:28] <james__> Konversation
[09:29] <WillJitsu> XVampireX: ok i just installed that. now what?
[09:29] <ardchoille> BusyBox is a software application which provides many standard Unix tools, much like the larger (but more capable) GNU Core Utilities. BusyBox is designed to be a small executable for use with Linux, which makes it ideal for special purpose Linux distributions and embedded devices.
[09:29] <XVampireX> in console: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[09:29] <mahdi> james__ alt+f2 opens up channel config
[09:29] <mahdi> er
[09:29] <XVampireX> then when that's done, ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:30] <mahdi> crap, forgot the right keycombo
[09:30] <james__> oki what in channel config now then? lol
[09:30] <zach> Well, I need to get going. Peace out, everyone.
[09:30] <NickPresta> bye
[09:31] <mahdi> james__ just f2, my bad
[09:31] <mahdi> opens the server list
[09:31] <james__> there only this ubuntu thing..  nothing else.. lol
[09:31] <james__> that just brings me here
[09:31] <XVampireX> what?
[09:31] <mahdi> james__ you have to add channels yourself
[09:32] <llutz> james__: press F5
[09:32] <james__> o.o
[09:32] <james__> brings me back to my question
[09:32] <james__> how do i get the channels?
[09:32] <XVampireX> channels are the names after the repository
[09:32] <mahdi> are you trying to add random channels or is there a purpose to this search?
[09:32] <llutz> james__:  F5 shows you the channel-list (long, very long)
[09:32] <XVampireX> wait
[09:32] <XVampireX> what are you people talking about, IRC?
[09:33] <llp78> james__: then search for channels
[09:33] <james__> lol..
[09:33] <NickPresta> If you wnt to see channels, type: /list
[09:33] <james__> hmm  ive got a fast internet connection..  no list loading tho lol.. IRC yes
[09:33] <james__>  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[09:33] <Matthias2> Hello, I've a problem with Kubuntu and connecting to a wlan network, can someone help me?
[09:34] <NickPresta> Then wait and try again in a while.
[09:34] <llp78> Matthias2 have you checked to make sure your wirless adapter is supported ?
[09:35] <Matthias2> yes, he is installes already an active under wlan0
[09:35] <Matthias2> the problem is the connecting
[09:36] <Matthias2> I have a config file that is correctly configed
[09:36] <Matthias2> but when I want to connect comes: blablabla disconnected --> disconnected
[09:36] <james__> 3788 channels is alot? lol
[09:37] <Matthias2> wpa_supplicant is installed, right?
[09:37] <Matthias2> I mean it's part of kubuntu
[09:38] <NotFaint> Anybody know why a drive that reads -- at least in the BIOS and is able to at least begin booting windows -- wouldn't show up in /dev/ on a Kubuntu liveCD?
[09:38] <NotFaint> This is on an old Gateway Pentium III laptop
[09:38] <NotFaint> so I don't think it's a matter of driver support :P
[09:40] <llp78> NotFaint: not in /dev/ under 'sda'?
[09:40] <NotFaint> not sda, not hda
[09:40] <NotFaint> (it wouldn't be sda anyway, scsi wouldn't be in a laptop I'd think, and this is too old for sata)
[09:40] <llp78> NotFaint: sorry i havent a clue - :(
[09:40] <NotFaint> llp78: effort's appreciated :P
[09:40] <NotFaint> think I'll just tell the guy his hard drive is fucked
[09:41] <NotFaint> though it might be his motherboard too
[09:41] <llp78> the new kubuntu uses sda - they have got rid or hda
[09:41] <NotFaint> *sigh* I hate when people ask me to fucking give estimates
[09:41] <PriceChild> !ohmy | NotFaint
[09:41] <ubotu> NotFaint: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:41] <NotFaint> oh, sorry
[09:41] <zipper> !effects
[09:41] <ubotu> For help with Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects.
[09:42] <NotFaint> llp78: you sure about that? way I understand it is sda is scsi/sata, hda is anything on a pata interface
[09:42] <llp78> NotFaint: my ide drivew shows as sda
[09:42] <llp78> ide = hda or pata
[09:42] <llp78> sda = scsi/sata
[09:42] <NotFaint> "ide" just means "integrated drive electronics," and the term applies to SATA as well :P
[09:42] <zipper> I was trying out different KDE themes, but now it seems like i cant get firefox and the date (near the clock on the panel) back to normal/default. Any hints? everything else seems to go back to normal when i switch theme
[09:43] <NotFaint> yarr, anyway
[09:43] <llp78> NotFaint: all i know is my ide now shows up as a sda on kubuntu when it should be a hda
[09:43] <NotFaint> llp78: did you take that recent kernel update from the repository?
[09:44] <greg_g> sda/hda, they are just labels, doesn't change much
[09:44] <NotFaint> (was today or yesterday)
[09:44] <llp78> no update
[09:44] <NotFaint> greg_g: yeah, it's just some idle banter here
[09:44] <greg_g> ahh, came in at the middle
[09:44] <NotFaint> llp78: hmm, because my machine was 7.04 from the beginning and the hd is hda, cd is hdb
[09:45] <greg_g> I remember reading something on the "why" with the change from hda to sda, but honestly, I forgot it because I didn't care much :)
[09:45] <NotFaint> well, maybe I'll check my machine again when I get home, anyway
[09:45] <WillJitsu> what is the proper way to install the Pidgin IM client?  I don't see it in Synaptic.
[09:46] <llp78> NotFaint: using the original kernel in the new kubuntu.
[09:46] <Darkrift2> how do you install a tarball?
[09:47] <Darkrift2> tar -zxvf AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386.tar.gz <---- didnt seem to work
[09:47] <Darkrift2> just extracted it
[09:47] <Darkrift2> but the readme said that would install it :(
[09:47] <M4iden_Rul3z> hello!
[09:47] <llp78> Darkrift2: what files you got after you extracted
[09:48] <zipper> !help
[09:48] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:49] <Darkrift2> !install
[09:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[09:49] <Darkrift2> !tar.gz
[09:49] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[09:49] <Darkrift2> !install scripot
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install scripot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <Darkrift2> !install script
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install script - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <azmodhan> hi guys, how do i get virtualbox?
[09:50] <llp78> Darkrift2: did you download the source ? for this program - is that why its tar.bz ?
[09:51] <Darkrift2> no
[09:51] <Darkrift2> its adobe reader
[09:51] <Darkrift2> it came in that format
[09:51] <Darkrift2> if i extract it, i get 2 tar files, a readme.html and an install script
[09:52] <llp78> ok have you tried to run the install script ?
[09:52] <Darkrift2> tar -zxvf AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386.tar.gz will install it
[09:52] <Darkrift2> the readme says that ^
[09:52] <Darkrift2> how?
[09:52] <Darkrift2> i tried clicking on it
[09:52] <Darkrift2> tried in console too
[09:53] <llp78> tar -zxvf just extracts the contents
[09:53] <maddops770> Hi.  I'm new so I need some help.  I got this message error when trying to start Adept Package Manager.  I'm clueless as to what to do next. The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[09:53] <Darkrift2> yeah
[09:53] <Darkrift2> thats what i thought
[09:53] <Darkrift2> wasnt sure if the scirpt would start automatically or not though
[09:53] <Darkrift2> so how do you run the script?
[09:53] <llp78> so no use the terminal go to the extracted directory and run the install script
[09:53] <Darkrift2> darkrift@HP:~/Desktop/AdobeReader$ INSTALL
[09:53] <Darkrift2> bash: INSTALL: command not found
[09:53] <Darkrift2> darkrift@HP:~/Desktop/AdobeReader$ 
[09:54] <llp78> hmm type cat INSTALL
[09:54] <Darkrift2> i c
[09:54] <Darkrift2> well
[09:54] <Darkrift2> i see code
[09:54] <Darkrift2> its definately a script
[09:54] <Darkrift2> how do i run it though
[09:54] <llp78> run the file with a dot and /
[09:54] <llp78> ./
[09:54] <Darkrift2> ahhh
[09:54] <Darkrift2> i c
[09:54] <llp78> ./filename
[09:55] <Darkrift2> ty
[09:55] <llp78> Darkrift2: did it work
[09:55] <llp78> ?
[09:55] <Darkrift2> its installing now
[09:55] <llp78> wicked glad to help
[09:55] <Raevn> Hi Y'all:
[09:55] <Raevn> Have Ubuntu CD, want to load Kubuntu with it.
[09:55] <Raevn> The desktop "Install" icon has a "command" line that reads:
[09:55] <Raevn> "Ubiquity --desktop %k gtkui"
[09:55] <Raevn> If I change it to read:
[09:55] <Raevn> "Ubiquity --desktop %k KDEui"
[09:55] <Raevn> Will this load the KDE environment?
[09:56] <Darkrift2> dont think so
[09:56] <llp78> Raevn you need to download kubuntu
[09:56] <NickPresta> No, you will have to either download Kubuntu or install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop
[09:56] <Darkrift2> or else they wouldnt make 2 different cd's
[09:56] <dazjorz> umm
[09:56] <Raevn> Drat. Thought I had a shortcut there
[09:56] <llp78> you can add kde to ubuntu but its messey
[09:57] <dazjorz> llp78: it's not messy
[09:57] <dazjorz> llp78: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will make the installation kubuntu
[09:57] <adz21c> Raevn: once u got ubuntu install just insteall kubuntu-desktop package, that should do it
[09:57] <llp78> dazjorz: never done it my self - but have read issues
[09:57] <Raevn> Trouble is the KDE CD wants me to sign in and do one knows the username or password.
[09:57] <coreymon77> hey guys
[09:57] <dazjorz> llp78: it works fine here
[09:57] <dazjorz> Raevn: the KDE CD?
[09:57] <coreymon77> is it possible to get pidgin as a deb
[09:57] <coreymon77> or form apt
[09:57] <dazjorz> Raevn: the username/password is always ubuntu:ubuntu, or for kubuntu maybe kubuntu:kubuntu, as far as I know
[09:58] <coreymon77> from*
[09:58] <Raevn> Hate it when that happens...
[09:58] <llutz> coreymon77: getdeb.net
[09:58] <Raevn> Yes, the KDE CD "I have" wants me to login
[09:59] <maddops770> Hi.  I'm new so I need some help.  I got this message error when trying to start Adept Package Manager.  I'm clueless as to what to do next. The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[09:59] <Raevn> Time to DL another ISO image, eh?
[09:59] <coreymon77> maddops770: well, do what it says
[09:59] <fdoving> !adeptfix | maddops770
[09:59] <ubotu> maddops770: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:59] <coreymon77> maddops770: try using those commands in a terminal window
[09:59] <chris_> yay :D
[10:00] <psp_hacker> yo
[10:00] <maddops770> I get kill process 8902 (y/N)
[10:00] <fdoving> maddops770: Yes you want to.
[10:01] <maddops770> And now I'm back to my prompt.
[10:01] <fdoving> maddops770: then try to restart adept the regular way.
[10:01] <Raevn> Dazjorz: Time to DL another ISO image, eh?
[10:02] <maddops770> Fdoving: Nope.  still broken.  I tried adding a repository and may have jacked it up. (Before Crash)
[10:02] <fdoving> maddops770: ah, probably. you can try kmenu -> run command 'kdesu software-properties-kde'
[10:03] <fdoving> maddops770: then see if you find any broken repisitories.
[10:03] <dazjorz> Raevn: I guess so :)
[10:03] <fdoving> maddops770: also, you can try 'sudo apt-get update' from a konsole to get a more informative error message.
[10:03] <dazjorz> Raevn: Or just install Ubuntu and install the kubuntu-desktop package
[10:03] <dazjorz> Raevn: That'll work just as well.
[10:04] <maddops770> I don't seem to have a kmenu option.
[10:04] <fdoving> maddops770: Run Command?
[10:04] <maddops770> sudo apt-get update
[10:04] <fdoving> maddops770: Kmenu is the K in the lower left corner, the "start" menu.
[10:06] <maddops770> Gotcha.  I did get the kdesu software properties up.  It looks just the same as it did before Adept said it gave up the ship.  Also Konsole error message was:E: Malformed line 49 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[10:06] <ardchoille> Speaking of the kmenu, is it possible to change the icon used on the kmenu button?
[10:07] <fdoving> maddops770: if it doesn't show up in software-properties, under third-party, i'd recommend opening /etc/apt/sources.list in a editor and fix line 49. kmenu -> run command -> 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list' - for example.
[10:07] <fdoving> ardchoille: yes, you can, but you must replace the kmenu.png icon manually.
[10:07] <ardchoille> maddops770: Here is a good sources.list: http://imacgregor.com/Personal/SourcesList
[10:08] <ardchoille> fdoving: Ah, ok, that's no problem. Which .png file is it?
[10:08] <fdoving> ardchoille: it's your icon-themes kmenu.png
[10:08] <ardchoille> fdoving: Thank you :)
[10:09] <Raevn> Dazjorz: Will try the experiment *once* and then do the Ubuntu-->KDE conversion. Not much play time , though.
[10:09] <Raevn> Also have a Dell Latitude; M233XT; 128mb RAM, 2.2gb HDD, etc. to load XBuntu on. Requires a Server --> XBuntu load out. Wish us luck.
[10:09] <fdoving> ardchoille: 'find /usr/share/icons/ -name kmenu.png' - one of those, if you haven't installed some user-only icon theme.
[10:09] <maddops770> You rock man!  Thanks.  The kate tip worked.
[10:09] <ardchoille> fdoving: Found it :)
[10:10] <fdoving> maddops770: great :)
[10:10] <maddops770> Please forgive my stupidity.  I'm a 15 year vet of Windows, and I want to see what Kbuntu can do on some cutting edge hardware.
[10:10] <maddops770> Yeah, 15 year vet who's only 28.  I've been doing it since I was 13.
[10:10] <Raevn> No sweat, MadOps, you're in good company
[10:11] <maddops770> It's kinda like windows 3.1/95 (although prettier).  You have GUI and typed code still.
[10:11] <Darkrift2> wow
[10:11] <Darkrift2> i just wasted $15 on an ebook that i cant even fucking open in linux
[10:12] <Raevn> I remember that conversion. Was supporting MSN at the time. :-&
[10:12] <llp78> Darkrift2 how come?
[10:12] <Darkrift2> because it doesnt dl the ebook
[10:12] <maddops770> Question is:  Why does Linux deem it necessary to have 8 to 10 different ways of getting a package instead of 1)download it and 2) click on it and have it install.  ;D
[10:12] <Darkrift2> it doewnloads a 1k etd.ebx file
[10:13] <fdoving> maddops770: you can do that too :)
[10:13] <timd> is SLI supported in kubuntu?
[10:13] <maddops770> Using my Adept Package Manager or Synaptic?
[10:13] <fdoving> maddops770: download it, rightclick on it -> kubuntu menu -> install package.
[10:13] <timd> !sli
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sli - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <NickPresta> maddops770, because GNU+Linux is about choice. I don't want to point and click. I like to type :)
[10:13] <Raevn> Remember, this is NOT the M$ monarchy. We're more democratic and so we need 15 ways to do everything (Me thinks) LOL
[10:13] <coreymon77> maddops770: you can use adept or synaptic, you can sue the terminal
[10:13] <coreymon77> some people just like doing things differently
[10:13] <maddops770> Timid: what are you using for SLI?
[10:13] <zipper> maddops770: its all about choices and preferences. Get used to using one of the methods, and if you're happy with it, keep using it. Otherwise you have the option to change it.
[10:14] <llp78> maddops770: apitude aswell
[10:14] <ubuntu__> holas
[10:14] <fdoving> maddops770: but you usually don't want to do that, because using the packages in the repository is always recommended. that way apt will handle dependencies etc.
[10:14] <timd> 2 x NVIDIA GeForce 6800
[10:14] <ubuntu__> alguno habla espaol?
[10:14] <fdoving> !es | ubuntu__
[10:14] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:14] <coreymon77> maddops770: the point is to let everyone do things the way they want to
[10:14] <ubuntu__> :)
[10:14] <coreymon77> maddops770: different ways to allow people to do it as simple or as complicated and controlled as they want
[10:15] <maddops770> Now what's Apt and Apitude?  I can understand that the command codes will get me the packages I seek but I don't understand their function beyond "That's what you type to get it."
[10:15] <zipper> maddops770: apt is for console, apitude is gui
[10:15] <zipper> afaik
[10:15] <maddops770> timid: don't know.
[10:15] <fdoving> maddops770: also, if you feel you're thrown at the terminal when you ask for help, it's just because it's easier to help with commands, explaining a point-clicking proccedure to fix something is usually harder than the command. :)
[10:15] <coreymon77> maddops770: apt is always the best way of doing things, ebcause with apt, if there is an unment depeddency, apt will fix it, installing the deb normally will not fix any broken dependencies
[10:15] <acemo> zipper: adept is gui
[10:15] <acemo> zipper: aptitude is console
[10:16] <llp78> apitude is a terminal verion of adept
[10:16] <maddops770> True.  I get the konsole bit.  And don't mind it.  At least you can paste into it.
[10:16] <zipper> acemo: ah yeah... my bad. But it does have a menu-system, which apt does not
[10:16] <fdoving> coreymon77: you can however, install the package namnually and then ask apt to help you fix the broken situation :)
[10:16] <maddops770> I don't get apitude.  Is that run from "Run Command" under the k-menu?
[10:16] <coreymon77> yes
[10:16] <coreymon77> but whats the point in that
[10:16] <coreymon77> just skip one step and get apt to do it all
[10:16] <llp78> just type apitude into a terminal window
[10:16] <fdoving> coreymon77: if the package is in a repository, yes.
[10:16] <llp78> might need to use sude
[10:17] <llp78> sudo.. rather
[10:17] <acemo> anyone knows how to get dual screen on kubuntu?
[10:17] <fdoving> maddops770: aptitude is a terminal app.
[10:17] <maddops770> I get sudo: run as admin
[10:17] <maddops770> same as run as command in Server 2k3 and Vista.
[10:17] <maddops770> Ok FDoving.  YOu lost me with terminal app?
[10:17] <llp78> type sudo apitude
[10:18] <fdoving> maddops770: aptitude is a app designed to be run from the commandline, like the good old microsoft 'edit' the blue one, remember?
[10:18] <maddops770> can't do it in terminal.
[10:18] <NickPresta> @acemo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[10:19] <maddops770> IIp type that where?
[10:19] <fdoving> maddops770: kmenu -> system -> konsole
[10:19] <llp78> i cant remember how to spell the damm thing - i never use it
[10:20] <maddops770> Aptitude ;)
[10:20] <maddops770> And i did get it to come up.  That's the (Excuse the bad reference) "DOS" version of the Package Managers in the GUI?
[10:21] <llp78> cool - sorry about that -
[10:21] <acemo> NickPresta: should those work with the tv out from a laptop too?
[10:21] <NickPresta> @acemo: I'm not sure. I use TwinView with my two 20" monitors, It works well. I have no tried it with TV out or anything like that.
[10:21] <fdoving> maddops770: one of them, the one with a "dos" (terminal) interface, there is also 'apt-get' which only takes commandline arguments, no user-inteface except that.
[10:22] <fdoving> maddops770: aptitude also does commandline arguments, for example 'sudo aptitude install <packagename>'
[10:22] <llp78> apt-get is good if you know the package name - if you dont then i use adept
[10:22] <maddops770> "If there is an unmet dependency, apt will fix it."  Meaning: Missing libraries or missing packages will get requested?
[10:23] <llp78> yep thats right
[10:23] <jzilla_> correct
[10:23] <fdoving> llp78: you can use 'apt-cache search <string>'
[10:23] <NickPresta> if you install a package X that requires package Y, it will install both X and Y
[10:23] <fdoving> maddops770: correct.
[10:23] <llp78> fdoving: thanks for that :)
[10:23] <fdoving> llp78: there is also 'aptitude search <string>' - i find apt-cache faster.
[10:24] <llp78> i never use aptitude
[10:24] <llp78> but the ap-get command is handy
[10:24] <llp78> apt-cache
[10:25] <maddops770> So for example if I have the new nVidia 64Bit driver that is package (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.09-pkg2.run) then what do I do from there?  Apt-get NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.09-pkg2.run?
[10:25] <fdoving> llp78: 'apt-cache madison packagename' and 'apt-cache policy packagename' can also be handy.
[10:25] <fdoving> maddops770: you don't use that package, you get the archive one.
[10:25] <fdoving> maddops770: i guess.. i don't have nvidia so i'm not familiar with how that stuff works.
[10:26] <maddops770> I tried the glx-new and everything, but they don't seem to work with the 8800GT
[10:26] <maddops770> this one had a requirement of shutting down the Xserver and using sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.09-pkg2.run and then it goes through the motions but something about kernel and something
[10:27] <maddops770> I can shut down the X server and get it to run.  But not to install.
[10:27] <ahmed__> guys , does steam work with wine ??
[10:28] <maddops770> I'd check out maximumpc.com and see about that.
[10:28] <fdoving> ahmed__: should do, yes. i got counter-strike source to run a few weeks ago.
[10:28] <maddops770> they said it can be done.
[10:28] <NickPresta> ahmed__, yes. I've successfully played CS:S through WINE
[10:28] <ahmed__> well
[10:28] <ahmed__> the problem is :S
[10:28] <ahmed__> i installed it and it works fine
[10:28] <ahmed__> but when connecting
[10:28] <ahmed__> it hangs a little bit
[10:29] <ahmed__> then come up sayin check ur internet connection
[10:29] <ahmed__> though i can run it with cedega,, but iwant to fix this issue with wine cause its killing some other apps too
[10:29] <maddops770> Funny, I have high end gaming hardware and could care less about playing games.  I just want to be able to see links I'm sent in IM and do stuff on the net.  With a little video editing and listening to my music.
[10:29] <NickPresta> ahmed__, have you followed the instructions here: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3731
[10:32] <ahmed__> NickPresta,, only 1 problem internet explorer ,, cant install it in wine
[10:32] <NickPresta> ahmed__, why not?
[10:32] <ahmed__> how to install it ?
[10:33] <NickPresta> ahmed__, try http://patrick.spacesurfer.com/ie_wine_install.html
[10:34] <NickPresta> ahmed__, really, there are tons of guides on the net. Search google for one that works.
[10:35] <acemo> NickPresta: got tv to work.. but only as black and white :S
[10:36] <maddops770> does anybody have a good repository list?  Preferably leaning toward 64bit?  Free - non-free I really don't care as long as I can make use of my hardware.
[10:37] <NickPresta> maddops770, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[10:38] <maddops770> Thanks NP!
[10:39] <maddops770> Do I want the source Repositories box?
[10:39] <NickPresta> maddops770, Not normally, no.  You don't plan on building anything from source, do you?
[10:39] <maddops770> Not until I learn how.
[10:40] <NickPresta> Then I wouldn't bother with them for now.
[10:40] <maddops770> Cools
[10:40] <carlos__> i have a quick question...where can i find a dock that wrks fine with ubuntu
[10:40] <carlos__> whats up everyone
[10:40] <maddops770> Hey carlos!
[10:40] <carlos__> hey
[10:41] <carlos__> how u doing
[10:41] <carlos__> ?
[10:41] <maddops770> Not too bad.
[10:41] <carlos__> same here
[10:41] <carlos__> i been having a problem finding a dock that wrks.....
[10:42] <NickPresta> carlos__, perhaps kdocker. It depends on libqt3-mt but that shouldn't be a big deal...
[10:42] <carlos__> ok ima give that one a try again
[10:43] <carlos__> do u know a web page that has the steps to it
[10:43] <xerosis> carlos__: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:43] <carlos__> ubuntu 7.04
[10:44] <xerosis> carlos__: try avant-window-decorator
[10:44] <xerosis> carlos__: also this channel is for kubuntu, #ubuntu is for ubuntu
[10:44] <carlos__> k i had that one but the page i got it from did not explain right how to use it
[10:44] <carlos__> oh ok my bad
[10:45] <carlos__> kubuntu is pretty cool i had that to
[10:45] <carlos__> but then it was not that compatible wit my laptop
[10:46] <carlos__> i also had a problem with my wireless card on my laptop...it did not recognize it
[10:46] <carlos__> anyone has a problem wit that to
[10:46] <carlos__> or is their a way to fix it
[10:50] <maddops770> Now on the sources list, I did run the generator.  And there are some differences between my list and the generated lists.  Is that important or not?
[10:51] <OhMyAudi> Hi all
[10:51] <llp78> generator ?
[10:52] <maddops770> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[10:52] <maddops770> Nick Presto gave it to me.
[10:53] <maddops770> It seems to come up with everything I already have except for the CDROM lines.
[10:53] <llp78> your using ubuntu
[10:53] <llp78> ?
[10:53] <maddops770> kbuntu.
[10:54] <llp78> hmm thats the wrong link or ive drunk too much tonight
[10:54] <maddops770> Eh, it's three in the afternoon in the states.
[10:54] <ReMiiRuru> Can anyone help me with putting together simple shell script? I what to archive(but only zip, rar or 7z) about 100 folders that are in one place, but I want every folder(and it's content) to go to different archive named the same as the original file was, but I want to do it fast, with simple script... I hope it can be simple ;x
[10:55] <NickPresta> Quick question: Is there any way to view which repository provides which packages?
[10:55] <maddops770> It matches the repositories I've had in my default list.  So I'm guessin they must be right.
[10:55] <llp78> maddops770 its nearly 11 here
[10:55] <OhMyAudi> How can I get a deb package file to install when I double click it?
[10:55] <maddops770> UK?
[10:55] <llp78> yea
[10:55] <SlimeyPete> it's 10pm here in the UK...
[10:56] <_4strO> 11pm in france
[10:56] <maddops770> download it, rightclick on it -> kubuntu menu -> install package.
[10:56] <_4strO> :)
[10:56] <OhMyAudi> maddops770: I know, but I want a double click solution like the gdeb for gnome?
[10:57] <maddops770> Got me.  I have gnome but run KDE.
[10:58] <maddops770> NickPresta:  I don't know.  Unless you edit your source list to include One resource at a time.
[10:59] <david_> hi @ all
[10:59] <maddops770> ReMiiRuru, you're not being ignored, I just don't think anyone has the ability to help with your script question.
[11:17] <darkrift> who knows what the best OCR program is?
[11:17] <darkrift> !ocr
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ocr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <GrueTamer> !info ocr
[11:19] <ubotu> Package ocr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:20] <GrueTamer> oh, of course that wouldnt work
[11:22] <tibbar> has anyone here installed kde-devel? I can't install it..
[11:23] <NickPresta> tibbar, it works fine for me when I simulate the installation...
[11:24] <tibbar> NickPresta: did you simulate it with apitude?
[11:24] <NickPresta> tibbar, apt-get
[11:25] <tibbar> NickPresta: could you tell me how to simulate a installatoin with apt-get?
[11:25] <Millo> anyone knows how to configure a: "auto-copy selection" on kubuntu feisty?
[11:25] <NickPresta> tibbar, apt-get -s install kde-devel
[11:25] <tibbar> thanks
[11:28] <hunfa> can somebody help me with configuring internet connection?
[11:28] <NickPresta> hunfa, ask your question - you're likely to get more responses.
[11:29] <tibbar> NickPresta: my friend is mirroring all the ubuntu packages to my local wifi user group and I'm downloading via his repostory..
[11:30] <hunfa> i want to create an internet connection through PPPoE
[11:30] <NickPresta> tibbar, oh. neat.
[11:30] <tibbar> NickPresta: I still don't think the problem lies there,,,
[11:33] <hunfa> there is a way to create an internet connection via PPPoE?
[11:33] <tibbar> "kdebase-dev: Depends: kate (= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20) but 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 is to be installed" this is one of the dependincies but i don't understand why it wouldn't install the despendecies
[11:34] <zach_> Greets, everyone...
[11:34] <larson9999> not sure how good a deal this was: emachines 2.2 celeron, 256mb ram, 40gb hd, dvd drive, not sure about video card...$35.
[11:34] <servidorest> hello, how a i can install mysql, i mean, i want know the components for do it!
[11:35] <NickPresta> tibbar, which version of KDE are you running?
[11:35] <larson9999> i don't really need a new pc but i think this is beefy enough i can set it up for a server and be quite happy.
[11:35] <tibbar> NickPresta: I think most of the apps is 3.5.6
[11:36] <NickPresta> You may consider upgrading to KDE 3.5.7 to fix your problem.
[11:36] <tibbar> NickPresta: I've don't know something is wierd I don't know if its just me but i can remeber it used to tell me 3.5.7 but for your computer to install 3.5.7 then you'd have to add the reposty and i never did
[11:37] <fdoving> tibbar: the .1 indicates it's an update. kdebase-dev and kate comes from the same source package, so unless you've manually downloaded the package and don't have feisty-updates repositories installed it's a strange situation, what if you update kdebase-dev first, then install kate?
[11:37] <tibbar> NickPresta: do you have 3.5.7 on atm?
[11:37] <zach_> I used ndiswrapper to get my wireless card working, and now, whenever I turn the computer on, if it doesn't have the same connection as when it shut down (e.g., wireless connection when shut down / wireless connection on boot, wired connection when shut down / wired connection on boot, no connection on shutdown / no connection on boot), it just hangs at the bootsplash screen. Can someone please help me with this?
[11:38] <NickPresta> tibbar, to install 3.5.7, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php. And yes, I am using KDE 3.5.7 and my Kate and such is version ...20.1
[11:38] <millo> any know how to configure the "auto-copy selection" in kde??
[11:38] <tibbar> fdoving: well didn't download it manually
[11:38] <tibbar> NickPresta: ok
[11:39] <fdoving> tibbar: then you most certainly have kdebase-dev version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 available, and also kate in the same version
[11:40] <tibbar> fdoving: thanks for the info.
[11:41] <zach_> My system just hangs at the bootsplash screen if it doesn't have the same network connection it had when it was last shut down. Any ideas?
[11:41] <llp78> zach_: set
[11:43] <zach_> llp78: ? I just ran that from a terminal. What now?
[11:44] <llp78> zach_: sorry set a static IP?
[11:46] <zach_> llp78: Oh. Well, I set one for the default gateway in the Network Interfaces section of KControl. Should I try deleting that?
[11:47] <llp78> if you set a static IP already - i dont understand why it hangs..
[11:49] <zach_> For the Configure Device dialogs for my network interfaces, the TCP/IP Address sections should be set to Automatic, right?
[11:49] <llp78> depends if your using a router
[11:50] <zach_> Usually, yes, but maybe not always (it's my cousin's laptop).
[11:51] <llp78> usually the delay in boot up is beacuse you cannot obtain an IP automaticly
[11:51] <llp78> if you use DHCP
[11:52] <zach_> I can't understand why any of this would keep the system from booting though. I AM using ndiswrapper so my wireless card will work, not sure if anything I did when setting that up could be causing this.
[11:53] <zach_> llp78: Could I try switching to bootp instead of DHCP?
[11:55] <kize> how can i manage update and softwares mirrors?
[11:58] <zach_> llp78: Still there?
[12:05] <corbax> salut
[12:06] <kize> can i manage from where new programs will be downloaded?
[12:06] <NickPresta> @kize: what do you mean?
[12:06] <mike_> kize: save as....?
[12:07] <kize> my only source for new programs is the dvd of kubuntu
[12:07] <kize> can i add mirors?
[12:07] <NickPresta> Have you installed Kubuntu or are you running on the live CD?
[12:07] <mike_> kize: no internet?
[12:07] <kize> i installed kubuntu
[12:07] <shady16> tyryy
[12:07] <NickPresta> You want to use the Add/Remove Application as well as Adept
[12:07] <soulrider> !envy
[12:07] <pyrotix_> kize: if you have internet you can install via adept or add remove programs
[12:07] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:08] <soulrider> !wiki
[12:08] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[12:08] <kize> but adept can't find mplayer
[12:11] <kize> can i add mirrors?