[01:46] <YokoZar> What do I need to have the ability to post to ubuntu-devel without moderation?
[01:52] <minghua> YokoZar: you need to be a ubuntu developer, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-December/000227.html
[01:53] <YokoZar> Are MOTUs developers for this purpose?
[01:53] <crimsun> yes.
[01:55] <Fjodor> Are the powertop patches for mixer_applet2 and knotify incorporated in gutsy sources, and would it be possible to get them into feisty?
[01:57] <crimsun> Fjodor: I'm not sure they qualify as critical bugfixes or security errata.
[01:57] <crimsun> (not my call, but I don't feel they do.)
[01:58] <Fjodor> crimsun: You are most probably right. Just asked to get an opinion. I guess they will be applied upstream at some time, and then, naturally, get into gutsy or gutsy+1
[02:00] <Fjodor> Would be neat to have them in feisty, though. Dell dk has decided to remove options from the configuration dialogues for buying systems, without mentioning that more options are available if you call them. Thus, my laptop has a 6-cell battery, and not a 9-cell one...
[02:00] <Fjodor> Hence my interest in powertop
[03:32] <oeoeoeo> http://www.gov-civil-leiria.pt/index.php?p=http://ikhlas.com.my/cmd.txt??
[03:48] <mikmorg> hi
[03:49] <mikmorg> If a package is listed in pool/main/source/Sources.gz, does it mean that it is preinstalled with Feisty gold?
[03:49] <mikmorg> rather, dists/feisty/main...
[03:51] <mvo> mikmorg: no, just that it is available and supported
[03:51] <mikmorg> mvo: ah.. could you tell me where I could find a list of preinstalled packages?
[03:54] <mikmorg> actually.. hmm, nevermind
[03:54] <mikmorg> i just realized it wouldn't help me
[03:56] <bryyce> mikmorg: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[03:57] <mikmorg> bryyce: thanks
[04:10] <kylem> win 23
[04:41] <nn-laptop> hi all
[05:34] <calc> Hobbsee: hello :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> heya calc!  how's it going?
[05:44] <calc> doing ok
[05:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:45] <calc> need to start getting everything ready for my start on monday
[05:46] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[08:12] <Hobbsee> simira: famous last words, i'm afraid...
[09:22] <Fructose> I'm trying to use some kernel headers with existing code, but /usr/include/linux/init.h doesn't exist. The directory does and I have linux-headers installed, so what gives?
[11:06] <mirob> mjg59, who are you to announce on the "debian-project" mailing list as part of many defacements, that "the Ubuntu Community does not want Patrick Frank"?
[11:08] <mirob> sabdfl, is it possible to talk to you directly about community related things?
[12:36] <Kmos> bug 3222
[12:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3222
[12:37] <Kmos> i think it's already fixed
[12:57] <mrmonday> I was just wondering if any devs knew the password for the kubuntu liveCD
[12:58] <elkbuntu> mrmonday, did you try just hitting enter?
[12:58] <mrmonday> yes
[12:59] <mrmonday> and I tried ubuntu, no pass
[12:59] <mrmonday> and that just restarted X
[12:59] <elkbuntu> hmm... try asking #kubuntu
[01:00] <mrmonday> ok
[01:05] <Riddell> mrmonday: there isn't one
[01:06] <mrmonday> Riddell, how come I'm asked for one then?
[01:17] <mrmonday> any other ideas?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hey all
[03:03] <hunger> Why was my screen resolution changed again?
[03:34] <Toxicity999> Wow, so... So sorry for my bouncer flipping out, apparently I spammed channels all night without knowing.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> useful of it :)
[03:39] <Toxicity999> Well, it was join/parting insanely. I must of left irssi running in the background then started xchat or something. Banned in a few of my channels, trying to take care of that ><
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Toxicity999: which channels got banned?
[03:41] <Toxicity999> Eh, Only #winehq that I've noticed, none others have come to mind to try.
[03:42] <Toxicity999> or not, that got undone
[03:42] <Toxicity999> nice.
[03:59] <pygi> hey Zdra_ 
[03:59] <Zdra_> hello pygi
[04:01] <pygi> Zdra_, saw somebody changed the bug report
[04:25] <Fjodor> Does anyone know how to get around bug 110585?
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110585 in debian-installer "7.04 Server install fails on Compaq Proliant DL360" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110585
[04:38] <Fjodor> Anyone?
[04:38] <UnholyLegion> hm?
[04:39] <Fjodor> UnholyLegion: Does anyone know how to get around bug 110585?
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110585 in debian-installer "7.04 Server install fails on Compaq Proliant DL360" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110585
[04:39] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[04:39] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> i suspect if they had, they'd respond on the bug report
[04:39] <Fjodor> Strange part is that debian installer seems to work, so my solution, for now, is to use debian. Would like to use ubuntu on it, though...
[04:40] <Fjodor> Hobbsee: Good point, however, I didn't report it. Only development seems to be reports from others that they see it. Thanks though
[04:42] <Fjodor> Coming to think of it, it might actually be a kernel prob, since I would guess that the installer fails to see a valid entry in /dev
[04:42] <Fjodor> And debian, which seem to work, is 2.6.18-something
[04:42] <Fjodor> *seems
[04:49] <Fjodor> I think I found another link stating that compaq smartarray can't be loaded from initramfs, and that it isn't compiled into the ubuntu kernels. Might that be the problem?
[04:49] <Fjodor> ...and possible fix?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ask cjwatson or evand, on a weekday
[04:50] <Fjodor> Hobbsee: Ok, thanks
[04:54] <persia> Fjodor: If you're feeling confident, you might also want to leave a comment in the bug with the details (if they're not already there).
[05:06] <Fjodor> persia: I might leave a link to that page (if I can find it again), but other than that, I think even the bug headline says it all... Thanks, though
[05:55] <Fjodor> http://whocares.de/2006/07/07/ubuntu-and-the-compaq-smart-array-controller-cpqarrayko/ FWIW. It might be a good idea to compile cpqarray into the kernel on server builds...
[05:57] <shawarma> Fjodor: No need.
[05:57] <Fjodor> shawarma: Ok
[05:57] <shawarma> Fjodor: Since Edgy we've included all drivers found under block/ in our initrd's.
[05:58] <shawarma> Fjodor: Which likely solves that problem.
[05:58] <Fjodor> shawarma: that might be so, and you probably logged on after I ranted about bug 110585
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110585 in debian-installer "7.04 Server install fails on Compaq Proliant DL360" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110585
[05:58] <shawarma> I logged on 52d 2h 46m 6s ago. :)
[05:59] <Fjodor> At any rate, it _is_ a problem, but not necessarily due to that
[05:59] <Fjodor> Ah, ok :-)
[05:59] <shawarma> Fjodor: Sorry, I'll try reading the article more closely. Hang on.
[05:59] <shawarma> I just opened the bug, and I'm really confused.
[06:00] <shawarma> The title says 7.04, the first version mentioned is 6.10 and the next one is 7.10..
[06:00] <Fjodor> Anyways, I find it odd that the debian installer seems to see the array just fine, but the ubuntu one doesn't... Could be due to debian having kernel 2.6.18, and the problem being a recent kernel bug, though
[06:00] <StevenK> The reason the installer sees it is because it loads the module.
[06:00] <Fjodor> Yes, that is strange, but I hit it with 7.04 server installer
[06:01] <Fjodor> StevenK: Might be a good idea for the ubuntu server installer to load it too, then...
[06:01] <shawarma> Alright. I've read the bug now. Now for the article.
[06:01] <shawarma> Fjodor: It does.
[06:01] <shawarma> Fjodor: It sees the device, doesn't it?
[06:01] <Fjodor> shawarma: To be honest, I only skimmed the article. It might mean nothing
[06:01] <shawarma> Fjodor: For some reason it just can't figure out the geometry of it.
[06:02] <Fjodor> shawarma: It sees the device (c0d0), but not the constituent drives (c0d0p1-4)
[06:03] <shawarma> Fjodor: i forget the notation. c0 is controller 0, d0 is disk 0? p1-p4 are the partitions?
[06:03] <Fjodor> Ah, that may be so. Wouldn't know, as it is my first time doing raid. However, it does indeed complain that it can't determine the geometry
[06:04] <Fjodor> ...p1-4 is most probably the partitions, yes, but I could only make those during debian install
[06:04] <shawarma> Fjodor: Sounds like a kernel bug, IMO.
[06:05] <Fjodor> shawarma: indeed. Unfortunately, it's a showstopper for installing ubuntu on such servers...
[06:05] <shawarma> ...which is more likely to be looked at on Monday.
[06:06] <shawarma> Fjodor: Yes, I can understand.
[06:06] <Fjodor> shawarma: Yes, that's the message I got. However, the initial bug report doesn't seem to have generated a lot of interest...
[06:07] <shawarma> Fjodor: Would you mind testing with the Tribe CD?
[06:07] <shawarma> Fjodor: *Only* for testing, though.
[06:08] <shawarma> Fjodor: Do *not* use it in a production environment.
[06:08] <shawarma> Fjodor: Just to see if it helps at all.
[06:08] <Fjodor> shawarma: I'll be happy to dl it and have a go. As long as I don't commit any changes, it shouldn't affect the debian system that has just now finished installing, right?
[06:08] <Fjodor> URL?
[06:09] <shawarma> Fjodor: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000301.html
[06:09] <Fjodor> thanks
[06:09] <shawarma> Fjodor: In particular: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/gutsy-server-i386.iso
[06:10] <Fjodor> Indeed
[06:10] <shawarma> Fjodor: I'd say that if you make it all the way to the partitioner, the issue has been fixed in the new kernels.
[06:10] <shawarma> Fjodor: You can just bail out when you get there, and nothing will have been changed on your running system.
[06:10] <shawarma> Fjodor: That will be valuable info to put on the bug.
[06:11] <Fjodor> shawarma: That's what I thought. I'm dl'ing now, and ETA is in 7 minutes
[06:11] <shawarma> Fjodor: Alright. I'll be AFK for an hour or so.
[06:11] <Fjodor> shawarma: Ok. Thanks so far
[06:17] <forum2006> live cd question: in which script ubuntu mounts the overlay filesystem?
[07:04] <simira> :)
[07:04] <simira> was that a volunteer to fix our server?
[07:04] <simira> (I don't usually go offline in the middle of the day like that)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> simira: it's a bit hard if i'm not there...
[07:04] <Hobbsee> simira: that's what i thought.  your connection's supposed to be better than mine!
[07:05] <Fjodor> shawarma: gutsy installer also gives the error
[07:06] <simira> Hobbsee: is not the connection, it's our server ;)
[07:06] <Mithrandir> or it's the VPN endpoint.
[07:07] <Mithrandir> I think I'll fetch a fan from the basement and point it at the poor box
[07:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:09] <Mithrandir> it's a G3, it's not used to summer
[07:10] <Hobbsee> er, there was supposed to be an "and" in there
[07:11] <geser> Mithrandir: could you please give-back bfilter on all archs? thanks
[07:11] <Hobbsee> geser: i believe you're not supposed to bug people on holidays :P
[07:12] <Mithrandir> geser: given-back.
[07:13] <geser> Hobbsee: will wait the next time till workdays (or do it when you don't watch :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:16] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee,geser: I don't mind being asked for give-backs even when on holidays, if I'm not near the computer, I won't do them, and if people ask me to fix X, Y, Z and , I probably won't because it's too much work at that time.
[07:52] <shawarma> Fjodor: Could you note that on the bug?
[07:52] <Fjodor> shawarma: Sure
[07:52] <shawarma> Fjodor: Coolness.
[08:34] <geser> Is the upload queue processing stopped?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> geser: which one?
[08:35] <elmo> oh, meh
[08:35] <geser> the Ubuntu one
[08:35] <geser> I've done two uploads but got no mail yet
[08:35] <Hobbsee> mail is delayed - does it show up on launchpad?
[08:36] <elmo> it'll be the LP outage earlier
[08:36] <elmo> sorry I forgot to kick stuff on drescher
[08:36] <elmo> doing so now
[08:38] <Hobbsee> elmo: good way of doing sysadmin work - kicking objects or people.  next you'll be defenestrating them, i expect.
[08:41] <elmo> Hobbsee: sure - whatever works
[08:41] <elmo> geser: next upload run should happen as normal - thanks for mentioning it
[08:41] <Hobbsee> elmo: hehe.  i wonder if i could convince people to write my specs that way...
[08:41] <Hobbsee> or do what i want them to...
[08:41] <Hobbsee> er, more than they have been already
[08:44] <phanatic> Hobbsee: defenestrating from the 27th floor isn't funny :P
[08:45] <ion_> phanatic: URL?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> phanatic: sure, but from the 32nd it is!
[08:45] <phanatic> ion_: what url?
[08:45] <phanatic> Hobbsee: have you tried?
[08:45] <ion_> phanatic: So that we can see whether its funny or not for outselves.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> phanatic: i cannot answer on the basis that it may incriminate me
[08:46] <phanatic> ion_: oh, sorry... i haven't tried it yet tbh
[08:46] <phanatic> ion_: i've just been to the canonical office before, and believe me, it's pretty high :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> phanatic: sounds like fun.  worth a try, for defenestrating people
[08:50] <geser> elmo: thanks. I got now the accepted mails.
[08:52] <calc> 27th floor is pretty high, i had a window office on 9th floor at HP and it seemed high to me, heh
[12:03] <linnuxxy> how to build a myspell dictionary from a large number of documents?