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keescookleonel: great!12:33
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crimsunkeescook: no runes, no.  I do it manually.12:46
keescookcrimsun: would you mind looking over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5419 since I'm still a bit new to REVU work?12:48
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crimsun(will do)12:49
fernandoexists other way to upload to revu instead ftp?12:49
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crimsunkeescook: looks good, did you have any particular question(s) about it/protocol?12:55
keescookmostly I just wanted to know what the process was since I was the 2nd person +1 it.  should I upload it?12:56
crimsunkeescook: if you'd like, certainly12:56
crimsunit has the equivalent of three ACKs12:56
keescookah, needs 3 not 2?12:56
crimsun(only requires 2)12:56
crimsunI reviewed it last for the debian/control:Depends addition12:56
keescookand is it just you that cc's motu with REVU uploads, or is that something everyone up'ing from REVU should do?12:57
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crimsunyes, if you upload a new source package originating from revu, archive it, and send an email to the ubuntu-motu ML12:57
keescookokay, will do12:58
persiacrimsun: 3 ACKs?  I thought the two ACKs needed to be for the same revision.  Is this not the case?01:00
keescookpersia: right, I think crimsun ack a totally different version01:01
persia(05:56:30) crimsun: it has the equivalent of three ACKs01:01
crimsun18:55 < crimsun> keescook: looks good01:01
crimsun18:56 < crimsun> I reviewed it last for the debian/control:Depends addition01:01
crimsunthat constitutes an ACK01:01
crimsunthe ttf-bitstream-vera addition came from my previous on-IRC review with Mario01:02
persiacrimsun: Ah.  The IRC ACK.  Thanks.01:02
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leonelwe need to fix the kernel   so  when a kernel update is done  there's no need to reboot  to use the new kernel :)01:23
keescookcrimsun: how do I "archive" the REVU entry?01:25
crimsungo to the main page, find the entry, click Archive on the far right.01:25
keescookoh, durr.  heh, I was hunting around on the upload page.  :)01:25
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crimsuninsecure temp file creation, eh?  I'm suddenly reminded why we stopped shipping alsaconf.01:37
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nesl247Hi folks. Is there any guide to creating packages, other than the one that contains hello-debhelper or whatever the package was called?01:55
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crimsunnesl247: guide?  Meaning the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and the Debian Policy Manual & Debian New Maintainers' Guide & Debian Developer's Reference?02:00
nesl247Whatever the one linked in the how to become a motu one, is one that I never want to see. One that I looked at already02:00
crimsun(and I really think that ought to be New Maintainer's to be consistent with Developer's, but whatever.)02:00
crimsunnesl247: constructively, what did you find horrible about it?02:01
nesl247It's completely useless02:02
nesl247It's says a bunch of times, this is an example package, we have no need for file x, y, and z02:02
nesl247And is too basic to actually learn to package02:02
nesl247Because it has like no deps, nothing at alll02:02
crimsunok.  Can you recommend a better package with which to begin - one that will appeal to both novice packagers and seasoned non-Debian packagers?02:03
nesl247Any package02:03
nesl247tar, alsa, compiz, doesn't matter02:03
crimsunI'm going to blithely ignore the "alsa" option, because that's utterly unrealistic.02:04
nesl247And the guide doesn't go into detail enough02:04
nesl247It should basically walk you through step by step, line by line02:04
nesl247crimsun: I haven't seen alsa's packaging, so I wouldn't know02:05
crimsunok, I'm sure there are several developers here who can work with you on improving the reference if you desire.02:05
crimsunwell, I _am_ familiar with it.  I maintain it in Ubuntu.02:05
bluekujalionel, ping02:06
crimsunmaybe we can pick one package from each big language team, so to speak02:06
nesl247I'd much rather you guys spend time on redoing the ubuntu packaging system all together heh02:07
crimsunsay, quodlibet for Python, pavucontrol for C, etc.02:07
minghuaI'd rather not.02:07
nesl247I've never seen anything so complicated.02:07
crimsunthat's not an Ubuntu issue.  You want to talk to the dpkg development team in Debian, since we use dpkg and apt-based tools.02:08
nesl247I'm not trying to start a flamewar, and am truely interested, so please don't bite my head off, but have you guys ever considered using something different?02:09
crimsunfor this group of universe maintainers?  As a group it has never crossed "our" mind.02:09
crimsunfor Ubuntu development, certainly it has crossed the minds of at least a couple Canonical employees who work on Ubuntu.02:09
minghuaif you derive from debian, you must use debian packaging, I don't think there is negotiation room for that02:09
persiaminghua: One could do something like alien (although I'd be opposed).02:10
crimsunpeople have suggested ebuilds, conary, checkinstall (?!), forgetting packages altogether and dumping crap wherever...02:10
minghuapersia: you forgot to mention checkinstall...02:10
crimsun(don't worry, I just did.)02:10
nesl247Who says you have to use debian packaging?02:10
persiaminghua: There's a reason for that :)02:11
minghuacrimsun: :-)02:11
nesl247Just because you originally started as a debian fork, doesn't mean you can't change.02:11
crimsunnesl247: Debian is our source pool.  It would be foolish to dump it.02:11
nesl247I was just curious. I know the complication of packaging has turned me off from ever creating a deb02:11
crimsunConsider how many source packages are synced (unchanged in Ubuntu) directly from Debian main.02:11
nixternalthere is no way in hell I could keep up with bdmurray with the triage man...I have gone 8 hours straight and finally cleaned up kdepim02:12
crimsuntake a look at the bottom left pie chart at http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html02:13
nixternalI find it funny that if you ask someone for more info, they won't answer for months, but as soon as you "close" a report, they respond within 10 minutes02:13
crimsunnixternal: of course.  That's why I always reject immediately. ;)02:13
persianixternal: That's why they get closed after a month or two of not responding to "Needs Info" :)02:13
nixternalI need to go through kdelibs next02:13
nixternalpersia: I do the same....30 days and no response, the is long enough, closed, reopen if issue still exists..kthxbye ;)02:14
crimsunnesl247: as you might infer, completely obliterating that navy blue (or some shade thereof, I'm a bit colour-stupid) portion would be unwise.02:14
nixternalman, testing kdepim bugs, I crashed KMail a hundred times, destroyed my smtp settings02:14
nesl247crimsun: huh?02:15
crimsun20:13 < crimsun> take a look at the bottom left pie chart at 02:15
crimsun                 http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html02:15
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snerfuI took the battle for wesnoth and retooled it to be a wastelands style game.02:18
snerfuI wonder if googlepages would be a good place to host it.02:20
persiaWould anyone be willing to lead me through the process of sponsoring requests for SRU updates (into -proposed)?02:22
crimsunpersia: sure.02:22
crimsunerr, I need more tea, though.02:22
persiacrimsun: Thanks.  When you get your tea, could we look at bug 69151?02:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 69151 in dvdauthor "Edgy: dvdauthor: segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6915102:23
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crimsunpersia: ok, so the patch needs some review.  First it needs indication of origin.02:26
apacheloggerany idea why this is happening?02:26
crimsunpersia: origin needs to be noted either in the patch itself or in debian/changelog02:27
persiacrimsun: OK.  Are there restrictions on Origin (must be backported from development or upstream) or are locally produced patches acceptable?02:27
crimsunpersia: the latter02:28
persiaOK.  So the patch generator could just report that they created a new patch as well.02:28
crimsunpersia: absolutely02:28
crimsunjust as long as the patch pedigree is unquestionable.02:28
persiaNext, I'm guessing that it needs to be listed as "edgy-proposed" (looking in more detail, this might not really be a SRU request, but I'd like to keep it as an example).02:29
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crimsunpersia: right, for the distribution02:29
crimsunit's a suitable SRU candidate, as it would appear to resolve a fairly major issue02:30
persiaSo, assuming that the patch is acceptable, would I verify that the patch submitter was willing to follow the SRU process (as "Needs Info"), and just upload to proposed, or are there additional steps required?02:30
crimsunjust upload, correct  (noting the version would need to be fixed -5ubuntu0.1)02:32
minghuapersia: just curious -- is this bug fixed in feisty/gutsy?02:32
persiaOK.  That's easier than I thought.  I was a little worried about "The sponsor of the upload is responsible for testing the update." from MOTU/SRU, as I don't use most of the pending packages, and wasn't sure how to test.02:33
crimsunpersia: you are responsible, yes, but that comes after an ubuntu-sru member has stated that it's available in -proposed for testing, after which you'd send an email to the ubuntu-motu ML to request testers02:33
persiaminghua: This is an old bug, and that probably needs investigation.  I haven't looked yet, but if I don't see something obvious, I'll ask the patch submitter to investigate more deeply when preparing new sponsorship requests.02:33
persiacrimsun: OK.  So I send the mail to ubuntu-motu, rather than the patch submitter?02:34
crimsunpersia: asking for testers, correct02:34
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crimsunyes, the universe SRU procedure was overhauled as the MOTU Council's first item of business02:35
crimsunor was it the second?  I'm losing my memory.02:35
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crimsunanyhow, one of the major complaints was that there was too much red tape in universe SRUs, so MC tried to change that - hopefully for the better02:36
persiacrimsun: OK.  Thanks.  I think I need to organise some stable test environments before actually sponsoring these, but I can now triage them (and further reduce the sponsors queue).02:36
crimsunpersia: yep, thanks!02:36
crimsuntritium: :)02:36
persiaI'd prefer to dump responsibility for chasing testers on the contributor, but I understand the decision :)02:36
persiaGrr..  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper-updates/+source/foo should go somewhere.02:44
persiacrimsun: Malone or Soyuz?02:44
crimsunapachelogger: it's in rejected; I can't move it because I don't have the powah02:46
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cypherbiosHi. I'm packaging an application using python-distutils (aka setup.[py,cfg] ) and the localization files (.mo) are going to a wrong place (going to /usr/share/locale/$LANG instead of /usr/share/locale/$LANG/LC_MESSAGES). Anyone knows what could it be?02:52
persiaAh.  Never mind.  Those URLs shouldn't work.  That information is contained in .../dapper/... as a separate pocket.02:56
crimsuncypherbios: is the Makefile correct?02:56
crimsunor if it doesn't use a Makefile, is the install target for the po data correct?02:57
cypherbioscrimsun: oh. I think is it...02:57
cypherbioscrimsun: but the Makefile seems to be correct:02:57
cypherbios%.mo : %.po02:58
cypherbiosmkdir -p $(subst .po,,$<)/LC_MESSAGES/ 02:58
cypherbiosmsgfmt $< -o $(subst .po,,$<)/LC_MESSAGES/$(DOMAIN).mo02:58
crimsunhmm, yes.02:58
cypherbioscrimsun: the build log shows me this:02:59
cypherbioscreating /home/cypher/aptoncd-dev/packaging/debian/0.1.91-1/tmp/aptoncd-0.1.91/debian/aptoncd/usr/share/locale/pt_BR02:59
cypherbioscopying build/mo/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/aptoncd.mo -> /home/cypher/aptoncd-dev/packaging/debian/0.1.91-1/tmp/aptoncd-0.1.91/debian/a02:59
cypherbioscrimsun: the build/ directory has the correct directory tree, but copies to a wrong directory...03:00
crimsuntype subst03:01
crimsunshell builtin?03:02
cypherbioscrimsun: what? I didn't understand...03:03
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crimsunah, right, make.03:05
cypherbioscrimsun: the lines above I've retired from the .build file03:06
crimsunyes, I somehow ignored that you pasted from a Makefile instead of shell script (?!)03:06
crimsun(long day)03:06
crimsunwill have to look at the source package.  Doesn't seem immediately obvious from here.03:11
crimsun(more tea)03:11
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leonelkeescook: for bug 119386  does not apply to  dapper and edgy   tested the bad.rar file  and  no problems there  and  the CVEs say that are for  clamav 90.  The temp files bug is  for the  function  cli_gentempstream  which does not exist  in clamav 88 03:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119386 in clamav "Remote Attack in RAR Files and Insecure Temporary Files Creation" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11938603:37
Simon80if a new package gets into debian, will it automatically sync into Ubuntu?03:38
bryyceoften, but not always03:41
bryycesee http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html03:42
keescookleonel: ah! great, thank you.03:42
joejaxxSimon80: you have to request it i believe03:45
Simon80hrm, ok, thanks03:46
minghuabryyce: I doubt that merge page answers Simon80's question03:55
minghuaSimon80: it eventually will, but may take quite some time03:55
Simon80cause I saw an update get in faster than this new package I'm watching03:56
minghuaSimon80: yeah, unchanged packages (without ubuntuX in the version number) get synced automatically, new packages need manual approval to get synced, IIRC03:58
Simon80but they usually get approved?03:58
Simon80not that I'm desperate for this package to get in :D03:58
FujitsuNew packages will automatically sync unless they're in contrib or non-free, but they have to go through source and binary NEW like anything else.04:00
minghuaSimon80: at this stage, yes, they usually get approved04:01
minghuaFujitsu: you can't really call stuck in NEW as "get synced", can you? :-)04:01
minghuaFujitsu: but thanks for the clarification04:02
Fujitsuminghua: Why not? There's no manual process that has to be performed by us.04:02
minghuaFujitsu: okay, I see what you mean.  I wasn't really thinking of the "re-sync with debian, drop all ubuntu changes" type of sync04:03
FujitsuNeither was I. I was thinking of the brand new package in Debian type.04:04
Fujitsuminghua: ^^04:04
minghuaFujitsu: then what are you referring by "no manual process that has to be performed by us"?  which other syncs need manual process?04:05
Fujitsuminghua: You said `new packages need manual approval to get synced'. You meant NEWing?04:06
minghuaFujitsu: and by "us" do you mean MOTUs, or developers in general, especially ftp-masters (or what do they call it, archive admins?)?04:06
Fujitsu`us' meaning not archive admins.04:06
FujitsuI should have probably clarified that.04:06
minghuaFujitsu: no, I was wrong on that statement, I thought some archive admin needs to enable syncing new packages instead of just packages already in ubuntu04:07
FujitsuWell, they have to run a separate script to import new ones rather than just the normal autosync, but it's done regularly like the normal one.04:08
FujitsuSo it's not really manual.04:08
FujitsuJust done less regularly.04:09
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minghuaFujitsu: I am confused.  Except the "dropping all ubuntu changes, resync with debian" type, neither new packages nor updated packages need our (non archive admin) manual processing. Is that correct?04:10
FujitsuRight (until DebianImportFreeze)04:10
Simon80I can't wait04:11
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Simon80yeah, I was going to say04:12
Simon80whatever you can use to justify it04:12
Simon80one can take a cue from ncix.com, who are perpetually holding a sale, and I'm not exaggerating04:12
Simon80last one I checked on was called the "Pre-Summer" sale or something04:13
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FujitsuHm, I really shouldn't have been coding this weather station communication program at 2am. Converting miles->kilometres by dividing by 1.6 is really not the way to go.04:15
Simon80well, obviously, you multiply by (1/1.6), to save repeated division04:16
Simon80if you don't do that, the wasted cpu resources will cause the weather station to asplode04:17
FujitsuOf course.04:17
Simon80what were you referring to there? I don't actually see the problem04:18
minghuayou should multiply by 1.604:18
Simon80oh, right04:18
Simon80this is why I need sleep04:18
minghuaor it that "multiply with"?04:18
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nixternalanyone know which package would control issues on external usb devices/drives that are formatted ext3/reiser and not allowing people to execute? 06:33
nixternalwould the be kernel related? udev?06:33
nixternalI can't confirm this, as all of my external usb devices/drives are ext3 and I have none of the issues that everyone responded to in this one report06:34
persianixternal: There are a large number of packages installed.  Unfortunately, it takes significant investigation of a broken system to determine the culprit.  You might add mount and friends to your list as well, or even the desktop volume management systems, which might pass frustrating flags under certain conditions.06:37
persiaUm  s/installed/possibly related/06:37
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nixternalseeing as they are external usb devices, I was thinking pmount as well06:39
persianixternal: Maybe.  Is pmount there by default?  It's not installed for me (and I automount USB devices without trouble).06:42
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minghuapersia: that's very strange.  do you have ubuntu or kubuntu?06:45
persiaminghua: Um...  ubuntu-minimal plus packages I like :)06:45
persiaI'm using GNOME, so it's probably more similar to ubuntu.06:46
minghuapersia: Hmm, actually I am probably wrong.  I though gnome-volume-manager will eventually pull in pmount.06:47
minghuapersia: it seems, at least in Debian unstable now, g-v-m use gnome-mount instead.06:48
persiagnome-volume-manager -> gnome-mount -> dbus/hal06:48
minghualet me check etch06:48
persiaminghua: I think it used to be that way - and that I used to have pmount installed, but I no longer remember the transition.06:49
minghuapersia: yes.  in Debian etch, g-v-m 1.15.5 still depends on pmount06:50
minghua(etch has gnome 2.14/2.16 mix by the way)06:50
persiaminghua: That makes sense.  I think it's that way in edgy, but I'm not sure about feisty.06:50
minghuafeisty is 2.18, isn't it?  then it should already be using gnome-mount, as Debian unstable has 2.18.06:51
persiaminghua: Yep.  I just checked, and feisty indeed uses gnome-mount.06:51
persiaOn the other hand, I think kubuntu uses pmount to serve kdebase-kio-plugins06:52
minghuakdebase is one of the only two packages that depend on pmount in Debian unstable right now06:54
minghua(in etch it is four)06:55
persiaOdd.  Debian bug 391502 appears to tell the story, but it looks like pmount really shouldn't be required.07:01
ubotuDebian bug 391502 in kdebase "Incorrect dependency on pmount" [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/39150207:01
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persianixternal: Do all the users with that problem use KDE?  It seems that there was a patch applied to Debian that might have leaked, which could cause odd issues.07:03
nixternalthey use kde and gnome07:03
persiaIn that case, it's down into ubuntu-minimal territory.  mount, udev, linux, and freinds.07:04
persiaOr perhaps hal, if these are all desktop mounts.07:05
nixternalhal or pmount07:05
persianixternal: I doubt pmount, just because it's only in kubuntu - the GNOME users wouldn't encounter the problem with pmount.07:05
minghuapersia: shouldn't, yes; but unfortunately the reality still requires a dependency according to the bug07:06
persiaminghua: Yep.07:06
minghuanixternal: bug number?07:07
nixternalman, I gotta find it now :)07:07
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minghuastabbing in dark, I would bet on hal07:07
persiaminghua: Be prepared - there are at least three or four separate master bugs currently building about user mount issues, which may not all be the same.07:07
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minghuaI usually don't touch packages I don't understand anyway07:08
minghua(not that I can touch hal/udev/etc., of course)07:08
nixternalbug 10821407:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108214 in pmount "cannot execute programs/scripts from USB drives (including reiserfs and ext)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10821407:08
nixternalwhile you are at it, change it from pmount :)07:08
StevenKThat bug smacks of the device being mounted noexec07:09
minghuanixternal: why should I reassign from pmount?07:09
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_Enchainedhi all07:10
persiaminghua: Try hal.  I suspect linux.fstab.options07:10
nixternalbecause if pmount is kubuntu only, then it wouldn't be the reason for the issues..because people are reporting it in ubuntu as well07:10
_EnchainedSomeone to review a few packages ?07:10
_EnchainedI have 4 or 5 waiting on Revu07:10
minghuanixternal: okay, haven't read the "happens in ubuntu as well" part yet07:10
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persia_Enchained: Please post the URLs (I recommend one every few hours until they've all been posted), and announce the status ("New Package", "Seeking Advocate for new upload", "Seeking second advocate").  Please only post each new upload once per day.07:11
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nixternalminghua: maybe I thought I saw the Ubuntu stuff because the pmount was ubuntu-meta, but I changed the package07:12
_Enchainedthose 3 are similar07:13
minghuanixternal: finished reading, no where in the bug report says it happens to gnome users as well07:13
_Enchainedand should be fine07:13
nixternalminghua: re ^^07:13
Hobbsee_Enchained: do you need teh b5i2iso.install file?07:13
_Enchainedand another I've just send : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=543007:13
_EnchainedHobbsee yes It install the binary ^^07:14
Hobbseeshouldnt the rules automatically do that?07:14
minghuanixternal: let's keep it assigned to pmount then :-)07:14
_Enchainedor maybe I should rename it just "install" ?07:14
Hobbseei thought you only needed a .install file when there were multiple binaries07:14
nixternalminghua: ditto :)07:14
Hobbseei wouldnt have thought you needed it *at all*07:14
Hobbseebut check it07:14
_EnchainedHobbsee no. make only create a binary and then we must move it07:15
persiaHobbsee: Depends on how broken upstream is.  For a good makefile, you're right.  For annoying upstream with a lousy makefile, not so much.07:15
Hobbseepersia: ah, fair enough07:15
minghuaHobbsee: depend on where your "make install" installs to07:15
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minghuaI user debian/install file even for one-binary package with same upstream source, just to reuse the code07:16
_EnchainedThe three *2iso are little utils that just create a binary in the current folder07:16
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Hobbseepersia: i'm about to test build - did you want to look that one first over as well, then i can upload it?07:17
persiaHobbsee: Which?07:17
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Hobbseepersia: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=534807:17
persiaHobbsee: Sure.07:18
_Enchained:) thx07:18
Hobbsee(no point downloading it twice)07:18
persiaHobbsee: I'm trusting you to build and run all the lintian & linda checks on the binary.  I'll just chase copyright, rules, etc.07:18
Hobbseepersia: yeah07:18
Hobbseeno problem07:19
persia_Enchained: Does your package brak any other packages?07:21
=== Hobbsee thought there was a dh_install --list-missing command that could be run in the binary
_Enchainedhow could it do this ?07:21
Hobbseemaintainer mangling hanst been done07:21
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minghuait's so fun to see RMS startled by Debian package naming systems :-)07:22
persia_Enchained: Some packages conflict with others in odd ways (e.g. serial2net and teg used the same default high port for years), or have conflicting dependencies (e.g. cyrus21-imap & cyrus-imap).07:23
_EnchainedI think it doesn't07:23
_Enchainedbut how can I be sure of that ?07:23
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Hobbseeit'll be picked up when the archive scripts are run07:24
persiaHobbsee: I'm not advocating.  Commenting...07:24
Hobbseepersia: OK07:24
Hobbseeer, bugger it.  i hit enter on dput07:24
=== Hobbsee will have to upload another, fixed version
persiaHobbsee: Aside from maintainer, the only other issue that blocked me was section.  Not a big deal.07:28
Hobbseeoh yes, dammit.  i noticed that, then forgot07:28
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Hobbsee_Enchained should be the one feeling pressured :P07:28
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_EnchainedHobbsee : what is Maintainer mangling ?07:28
_EnchainedI don't feel under pressure ;)07:29
Hobbsee_Enchained: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField07:29
Hobbseepersia: i believe you meant the priority field?07:29
persia_Enchained: You should.  A not ideal package with your name attached was just uploaded.  Now it must be fixed :)07:29
Hobbseepersia: utils is a valid section field.07:29
Hobbseeand is correct, iirc.07:30
persiaHobbsee: Right.  I can't seem to type what I'm thinking :)07:30
Hobbsee_Enchained: persia: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5349 seems to have the same problems.07:31
Hobbseei wonder if we actually have the maintainer stuff documented anywhere07:31
=== Hobbsee has a script to fix such things ;)
_Enchainedthe 3 *2iso are similar ;)07:31
persiaHobbsee: Do you have a script to undo it?  There's a couple bugs in DaD I want to fix, but haven't gotten around to writing the undo script yet.07:32
_EnchainedSo, I must find someone with a unbut.com email ?07:32
Hobbseepersia: to undo it?  no07:32
persia_Enchained: See the URL Hobbsee posted.  There are default maintainers, if the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field is populated.07:32
persiaHobbsee: Alas.  Thanks anyway.07:33
Hobbsee_Enchained: 07:33
HobbseeIf the package is in universe or multiverse, the Maintainer field will be set to Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>07:33
HobbseeIf the Maintainer field is modified, the old value will be saved in a field named XSBC-Original-Maintainer07:33
_Enchainedpersia debian/b5i2iso.manpages <- just a file which contains the name of the manpage file ?07:33
StevenK_Enchained: Right07:33
_EnchainedHobbsee so I put my email adress in XSBC-Original-Maintainer and MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> in Maintener field ...?07:34
_Enchainedok thx07:34
HobbseeUbuntu MOTU... that is07:34
Hobbseeyep, same things apply for all three of them.07:36
Hobbsee_Enchained: priority should be "optional"07:36
Hobbseeaccording to the debian new maintainers guide07:37
persia_Enchained: I've just checked 5430 as well: That one needs the same work.07:37
_Enchainedwhich persia ?07:38
_Enchainedmaintener and ?07:38
_Enchained(what work)07:38
_Enchainedpriority optional ?07:38
Hobbseenautilus-wallpaper has other errors too07:38
_Enchainedand Maintener field07:38
persia_Enchained: At a minimum maintainer and priority optional.  You probably also want to build the binary and run lintian and linda against the arch.changes file for more hints.07:39
_Enchainedfor nautilus-wallpaper It wanted to install some doc files in a wrong path07:39
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_Enchainedso I rm them in rules :s07:39
_EnchainedI don't know what is the better way to fix this07:40
persia_Enchained: That's the right way.07:40
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persianixternal: The mounting issue is new behaviour for feisty, right?07:45
nixternalthey say it is, however I can't reproduce it07:45
nixternalmy build directories are all on a usb 500gb drive07:45
nixternalall of my repos and what not. and then my gpg key is on a usb stick as well...all ext3 partitions07:45
persianixternal: I had a user last night who was looking at it, but it was on someone else's computer, and they only had a couple hours.07:46
superm1persia, keescook wasn't sure on the process to upload mythbuntu-gdm-theme after he looked it over and gave it another +1 after you.  Would you be able to upload it?07:52
persiasuperm1: He was around earlier, and I thought he uploaded.  Did you check the NEW queue?07:52
superm1persia, let me double check07:52
persiasuperm1: If it's really not uploaded, I'll upload, but I don't like rejections :)07:53
superm1persia, ah yes he did.07:53
superm1my mistake :)07:53
superm1i havent been around the last few hrs07:53
persiasuperm1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-June/001708.html07:54
persiaNo worries.07:54
Hobbseesigh. dad's whining about the amount of stuff being downloaded.07:55
persiaHobbsee: You need to move to a country without foolish quotas.07:55
Hobbseepersia: i know.  i plan to.07:55
Hobbseepersia: just a) where?  b)  after uni  and c) where do i find the resources to do it?07:56
persiaHobbsee: Choose a) based on your first impressions from a 30-year old tour book.  Nothing else will keep you more than a year or two.  For c) apply for an overseas job, and request relocation sponsorship.07:57
Hobbseepersia: a 30 year old tour book, hey?07:57
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Hobbseeyeah, the relocation sponsorship would be the smartw ay to go07:58
persiaHobbsee: The alternative is a one-way discount fare :)07:58
Hobbseepersia: true that07:59
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man-diHobbsee: germany is nice, except when you live here...08:00
Hobbseeman-di: heh, why so?08:00
Hobbseeman-di: so is anywhere, i suspect08:00
man-diHobbsee: I live here for 33 years and I want to learn to know something else08:00
Hobbseei suspect that applies to anywhere - which is a good incentive to move every ~10 years or whatever, i guess :P08:01
TheMusoHeya folks.08:02
man-diHobbsee: I guess so08:02
Hobbseehi TheMuso!08:02
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persiahi TheMuso08:02
_EnchainedHobbsee persia Can you take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5431 ?08:03
_EnchainedI've updated it08:03
_EnchainedIf it's ok I do the same changes to the others08:03
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Hobbsee_Enchained: looks good to me.  persia?08:05
persia_Enchained: I get a build failure.  I think you want debian/b5i2iso.1 in debian//b5i2iso.manpages.08:05
_Enchainedoops yes08:06
Hobbseeah there we go, it failed while i was on the phone08:06
_Enchainedthe debian/foo.manpages works only with cdbs ?08:08
persia_Enchained: Also, as a wishlist item, an upstream changelog would be good (but no worries if it doesn't exist).08:08
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persia_Enchained: Debhelper too, but you need to include h_installman -p<package> in debian/rules08:09
Hobbseesee, this is why i hate reviewing.08:09
Hobbseepeople always find other stuff that i never remember about08:10
persiaHobbsee: That's why it takes two :)08:10
_Enchained-p is to use the foo.manpages file ?08:10
persia_Enchained: -p is to specify the package to install in.  For single binary sources, it's optional.08:11
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_Enchainedpersia Hobbsee I can't dput the new version oO08:22
_EnchainedError '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of b5i2iso_0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc08:22
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persia_Enchained: It's not that we're ignoring you, just that we don't have a solution.  You might try uploading again, or poking a REVU admin (if there is one around).08:28
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_EnchainedI'll try later08:29
_Enchained08:30am ...time to sleep lol08:30
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Hobbseepersia: you're not a REVU admin?08:32
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Hobbsee_Enchained: please try uploading again - i've removed the offending files08:33
persiaHobbsee: heh.  I've only been reviewing two weeks :)  These things take a while.08:33
Hobbseepersia: ask siretart about it.08:34
Hobbseehe doesnt bite08:34
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_EnchainedHobbsee it's ok08:37
Hobbseepersia: if you could review again, and give me links to any that you ack, i'll try to look when i get home again08:38
persiaHobbsee: Sure.08:38
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Hobbseebye all08:41
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persia_Enchained: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5432 advocated.  Which were the other ones, or are you sleeping now?08:43
_Enchainedok I do the same modif08:44
_Enchainedon the others08:44
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persia_Enchained: No rush.  If you want to get to them this afternoon, that's fine too.08:45
_Enchainedno it's ok08:45
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_EnchainedStrangly I'm not so tired08:45
_Enchainedpersia I've updated pdi2iso and cdi2iso08:54
persia_Enchained: OK.  I'll take a look in a minute.  Thanks.08:56
Lutinhey there08:58
_Enchainedyep Lutin 09:00
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Lutinhey _Enchained 09:03
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persia_Enchained: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5433 commented.  Should be easy to fix.09:12
_Enchainedok persia updated09:15
persia_Enchained: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5434 has the same problem.09:15
persia_Enchained: And even though I advocated before, I realise that b5i2iso does as well.  Please fix that too :)09:16
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_Enchainedpersia http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=543609:24
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_Enchainedand the other you already commented it :)09:25
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persia_Enchained: 5432 still doesn't install the upstream changelog.09:26
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persiaFujitsu: The secret is: once you get it working, never, ever restart X :)09:28
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DarkMageZthat sounds like a windows excuse09:29
Lutinpersia: btw, what bug in DaD were you interested in fixing ?09:30
persiaLutin: Two actually: the one about having conflicts with change build-deps, and the one about not noticing syncs.  I think both of these will go away if DaD unmangles the maintainer (saving the name of the Ubuntu team) prior to diff3, and then remangles afterwards (if appropriate).09:31
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Lutinpersia: the changelog will remain in the patch though09:33
persiaLutin: I've just not gotten around to adding a unmangle function to process/merge and testing yet.09:33
_Enchainedpersia It doesn't upload09:33
_Enchainedsame as before09:33
persiaLutin: Depends.  I've had changelogs merged to Debian :) (although I admit this is rare)09:34
_EnchainedIs there a revu admin ?09:34
persiaLutin: Also, when reviewing REPORT, seeing only a changelog entry makes it clear - less investigation is required to ensure that a sync can be performed.09:35
Lutinpersia: don't catch your last point (or actually can't catch how it is related to REPORT)09:37
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_Enchainedpersia I have the same problem. I go to sleep. If you see a revu admin, ask for him to remove the bad package and ping me. I'll upload again09:38
_Enchained(or tell to Lutin)09:38
persia_Enchained: Sleep well.  Upstream changelog isn't blocking anyway: only a good thing to have.09:39
jamyskishi all...does anyone know if there is a decent howto anywhere on how to replace packages with newer versions of the program in *my own repository*? Is it just as simple as creating a new deb and updating the packages_i386.db or is it more complicated?09:39
persiajamyskis: Depends on your local repository format, but basically just upload an updated .deb to that repository.09:41
jamyskispersia: it's just that i read something about diff files and such like, but I can simply replace it and people who have my repo in their sources.list will get an update notification?09:42
superm1jamyskis, followed by dpkg-scanpackages or falcon update or the repository update09:42
DarkMageZjamyskis, to create a repository http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6013009:42
superm1jamyskis, what do you use for managing your repository?09:42
persiaLutin: For syncs, I think you're right, but I still think unmangling and remangling would prevent things like vcf:debian/control.09:42
jamyskissuperm1 i saw a howto somewhere on how to create a repo and created a bash script from it09:43
persiajamyskis: What you've read about diff files is probably procedural documentation for updating the Ubuntu repositories, to which you may not have direct upload permission.  For a local repository, you have permission, and don't need to follow that procedure.09:43
superm1jamyskis, well i'm not sure how in depth or complicated your current setup is with it.  I would highly recommend you look into falcon for managing a personal repository though.  It makes life very simple09:44
jamyskispersia: that's good to know :) thanks09:44
DarkMageZjamyskis, guide to making/altering packages http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html09:44
jamyskissuperm1: I'll look into it :) thx09:44
jamyskisDarkMageZ: that's how i learnt how to create debs, but the creating a repo thread in the forum i've bookmarked for future ref...thx09:45
superm1jamyskis, it would be a good idea to look into getting these changes into the ubuntu versions of the packages too, so people on a larger scale can benefit.09:45
Lutinpersia: wep, that'd be possible. (just thought that adding one more check in the diff3 loop could easily prevent from merging the changelog if it is the only different file)09:46
DarkMageZsuperm1, do you know if falcon ever got fixed to work on feisty?09:46
jamyskissuperm1: none of my packages are in the ubuntu repos at the moment...i sent my package naughts-and-crosses to MOTU but it was rejected, I need to take a closer look at the reason why09:46
superm1DarkMageZ, i've got it working on my copy of feisty, it was a matter of replacing a shebang at the top /usr/bin/falcon only I think09:47
persiaLutin: That'd be neat.  Then if the maintainer was on complete autopilot, it would be an undocumented fakesync, which wouldn't be entirely bad (although not ideal).09:47
superm1Seveas was pretty close to something with falcon 2 though recently, 09:47
superm1but you'd have to check with him on *how* close :)09:48
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superm1jamyskis, I don't see it up on revu.  How did you submit it?09:49
jamyskisis there a website somewhere for falcon?09:49
persiajamyskis: http://launchpad.net/falcon09:50
superm1jamyskis,  https://launchpad.net/falcon 09:50
superm1its not in apt (unfortunately), but there are several third party repos that have a deb of it available09:50
Lutinpersia: sure09:50
persiaLutin: I keep getting other things stuck in my queue above DaD, so probably won't get something put together for another week or so, at a minimum.  If you have time before then, and want to fix it, feel free :)09:51
Lutinpersia: btw, I'm leaving on monday for 6 weeks, so if you feel uncomfortable with parts of the code, please send me an email (with a clear title :) ) rather than using irc09:52
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Lutinor ping Adri2000 :)09:52
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jamyskisi can't even remember my revu password and i'm having a job recovering it09:53
persiaLutin: Ah.  I guess it's mine then :)  The code seems pretty sensible, but thanks.  I'll publish a branch if I have something I think works, for review (probably by Adrien, as you'll be away).09:53
persiaHave a good trip.09:53
persiajamyskis: You only need the password to comment.  If you're stuck, just upload.09:53
jamyskisits ok i've got the password now09:54
jamyskishold on09:54
jamyskisi'll dig up falcon in a second09:54
jamyskissuperm1: naughts-and-crosses revu submission -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=453309:55
Lutinpersia: ok. thanks! :)09:56
superm1jamyskis, I'm not a motu (yet), but I can look over a few things if you'd like some input on it09:56
jamyskissuperm1: that would be great, i'll sort out falcon first and then if you'd like we can work over the sub together09:57
superm1jamyskis, first off as bddebian was saying, is this intended to be a native ubuntu package09:57
jamyskissuperm1 i think the mistake i made there was the name was wrong09:58
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jamyskisnaughts-and-crosses_0.83.tar.gz is supposed to be naughts-and-crosses_0.83.orig.tar.gz09:58
superm1okay from looking over debian/copyright, you are getting sources from an upstream site09:58
superm1you will need to provide that .orig.tar.gz09:58
superm1and change the version number09:58
superm1to append a -0ubuntu1 instead09:59
jamyskiswhat does that mean?09:59
superm1that means to grab the upstream tar.gz archive09:59
superm1and rename it appropriately09:59
superm1so it can be used for building the package09:59
superm1in this case, i believe it would be naughts-and-crosses_0.83.orig.tar.gz10:00
jamyskisok :)10:00
superm1since that is the upstream version10:00
superm1so then debian/changelog's entry needs to show up as 0.83-0ubuntu110:00
jamyskislooking at the manpage issue i need to learn how to write manpages10:00
superm1Next off, debian/copyright needs a short header of the license being used (in this case the GPL)10:01
superm1if you look at the source for pretty much any GPL app in ubuntu/debian, the debian/copyright file will always include a preface describing that license10:01
superm1followed by that reference to where it is stored on the system10:01
jamyskisok noted10:01
superm1this was the page i was directed at for learning to write debian/copyright better:10:02
superm1it includes a very good example10:02
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LaserJockanybody up?10:03
persiaHi LaserJock10:03
superm1next off, debian/rules, you might consider looking into using debhelper instead for a lot of those things10:03
superm1morning LaserJock 10:03
superm1rather than manual copying like you are10:03
jamyskisi actually found debhelper more difficult than doing it from scratch10:04
LaserJockanybody have an idea where I can go to figure out how to change the screen brightness on my laptop?10:04
LaserJockthis is driving me nuts10:04
persiaLaserJock: Are there dedicated hot keys that don't work?10:04
superm1LaserJock, what brand laptop?10:04
LaserJocksuperm1: Toshiba10:05
superm1LaserJock, there is an app in synaptic, the name slips my mind right now10:05
LaserJockpersia: yep, and I can't find any place to do it otherwise10:05
superm1that allows those hotkeys to work10:05
superm1(for most toshibas)10:05
persiaLaserJock: Ah.  I'm not sure for Toshiba, but I had to install a special utility for an old Sony I had.10:05
LaserJocksuperm1: I found a couple, but they can't find some kernel module10:06
superm1jamyskis, well you will have to make sure that if you are doing it by hand rather than debhelper, that you are actually catching all the docs and such10:06
superm1i can see you aren't installing AUTHORS10:06
superm1INSTALL README10:06
LaserJockis there a way to look at possible kernel modules to load?10:07
LaserJockI *think* I need to find some acpi video module10:07
superm1LaserJock, if they ship a modules-source, possibly build using module-assistant10:07
LaserJocksuperm1: they say it isn't necessary :/10:07
persiaLaserJock: The available kernel modules are under /lib/modules/...10:08
LaserJockI'm trying toshset10:08
LaserJockand it gives me: required kernel toshiba support not enabled.10:08
superm1jamyskis, really it would be a good idea to try to do debian/rules with debhelper or cdbs possibly though.  it is a lot easier for a maintainer to read,update, and revu10:08
persiaLaserJock: Try `modprobe toshiba_acpi`, maybe?10:08
jamyskissuperm1: ok, I'll give it a go...I'm a little concerned about the manpage issue, and I don't know what FSSTND-dir-in-usr usr/doc/ means10:09
jamyskissuperm1: the rest i can figure out10:09
persiajamyskis: FSSTND-dir-in-usr is complaining that nothing should be in /usr/doc (use /usr/share/doc/<package>/ instead).10:10
LaserJockpersia: heh, I get a Fatal error, no such device :(10:10
LaserJockI'm guessing that's my problem10:11
persiaLaserJock: Cool!  You don't really have a Toshiba then :)10:11
=== LaserJock wonders what he paid Toshiba for then
persiaLaserJock: Rather, you probably have a new one for which the kernel has yet to provide support.10:12
LaserJockthis laptop is nearly 3 years old10:12
jamyskissuperm1: ok, thanks for the help, I'm going to occupy myself with debhelper, I'll come back if I have any probs10:12
superm1LaserJock, after searching apt, your using fnfxd, i would guess10:12
superm1great jamyskis, good luck :)10:12
LaserJocksuperm1: fnfxd doesn't work10:12
jamyskisthanks :)10:12
persiaLaserJock: Alternately, you mentioned a need for video ACPI before, did you try loading .../kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko?10:12
LaserJockalso get kernel related errors10:12
LaserJockpersia: I do have a video module loaded10:13
LaserJockI'm assuming that's the one10:13
LaserJockbut /proc/acpi/video/ is empty10:13
superm1LaserJock, it appears toshset installs /usr/share/doc/toshset/supported-models.txt.  Long shot, but are you on the list :)10:13
persiaLaserJock: You might want to file a bug.  If you can collect enough information about your hardware, it can usually be fixed by adjusting the hints in a few files, but knowing which files is hard.10:14
LaserJocksuperm1: not on the list10:16
LaserJockok, I'm going to reboot10:16
LaserJockas sometimes I know that does things10:16
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LaserJocklike turns on my sound card10:16
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persiaGrumble.  I was *using* LP.10:17
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jussi01good evening all10:19
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LaserJockwell, sound's back on10:22
persiaHi jussi0110:22
LaserJockFATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device10:22
jussi01hello persia10:22
persiaLaserJock: Are you ready to dive into the kernel-source?10:22
LaserJockso the kernel doesn't even know my laptop is a toshiba :(10:23
superm1LaserJock, what does dmesg say after you do that modprobe?10:23
LaserJockpersia: for Fn keys? I'm not sure10:23
LaserJocksuperm1: nothing10:24
LaserJocknothing relevant I should say10:25
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LaserJockwell, this is just retarded10:26
LaserJockI hate Toshiba, and I hate laptops10:26
crimsunwhich model Toshiba do you have, for starters?10:28
crimsunbios revision?10:28
LaserJockno clue10:28
crimsunuse `sudo dmidecode`10:28
crimsunnow download and execute http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh , then tell me the url.10:29
LaserJockthat is something else crimsun 10:30
crimsunyou likely need to blacklist snd-atiixp-modem10:32
LaserJockProcessor:         unknown10:33
LaserJock^^ that's a good sign ;-)10:33
jamyskissuperm1: does the package absolutely have to have a manpage?10:33
crimsunI'm also not convinced you're 1) using the most current & Linux 2.6-known-good bios revision, 2) you aren't using a bad DSDT10:33
superm1jamyskis, it doesn't *have* to have one, but its a good idea to write one10:33
jamyskissuperm1: i'm trying to get my head around the syntax - whoever designed this syntax should be shot10:34
LaserJockcrimsun: how do I check 1 & 210:34
persiajamyskis: If there is a user accessible binary, almost none of the reviewers will advocate without a manpage.10:34
superm1jamyskis, see the app manedit10:34
crimsunyou can start with: echo blacklist snd-atiixp-modem|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist10:34
superm1or similar apps10:34
superm1makes the whole process a lot less painful10:34
jamyskissuperm1: looks like it too :) thanks10:35
LaserJockcrimsun: and what is that supposed to fix?10:35
Seveassuperm1, pretty close means that I'm redoing bits of the configuration things and then beta 1 is done10:35
crimsunLaserJock: I don't know offhand if it will fix anything, because at best it can only help resolve sound issues if your DSDT isn't broken.10:36
crimsunSee http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/view.php?manufacturer=Toshiba10:36
superm1Seveas, very exciting :)10:36
crimsunUnfortunately, your specific model isn't listed, but you can see from that list that Toshibas, well, suck.10:36
=== persia notes rather that Toshiba has little respect for commonly accepted industry standards.
Burgundaviamy laptop doesn't even report battery discharge rate10:37
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crimsunit's also their use of Microsoft's ASL compiler10:37
Burgundaviaits acpi even baffles mjg5910:38
LaserJockrebooting, brb10:38
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LaserJockcrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/55242110:42
LaserJockI still don't know why it won't let me modprobe toshiba_acpi10:43
LaserJockI guess my model is just not supported?10:43
persiaLaserJock: Either your model isn't supported, or your DSDT is confusing the kernel.  Probably the former.10:44
crimsunLaserJock: I'm not sure what that output is supposed to tell me.  Is audio audible or inaudible?10:45
LaserJockwell, right no it is10:45
persiaLaserJock: You could probably fix it, if you were willing to determine what bits to poke in drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.c10:45
crimsunok, well, I don't care if your science packages asplode on your Toshiba.  I only care for sound.  ;-)10:46
Burgundaviacrimsun: is my broken acpi related to why mics plugged into the front mic jack don't work?10:46
LaserJockcrimsun: the audio problem comes and goes10:47
crimsunLaserJock: again, impossible to diagnose unless you establish for certain that your ACPI and DSDT are known-good.  And knowing it's a Toshiba, well, fat chance.10:47
LaserJockcrimsun: it seems to actually be better in Ubuntu than in Windows, but sometimes it still boots/resumes without sound10:47
LaserJockI"m not as worried about sound as finding some way to change the LCD brightness10:48
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crimsunBurgundavia: possible but improbable, but I don't know if your DSDT used the Microsoft ASL compiler.10:48
crimsuns/used/was created by/10:48
crimsunLaserJock: suspend<->resume issues introduce a completely new vector; it'd be nice to know if sound is audible consistently now.10:50
LaserJockcrimsun: I'll run it for a while and report back if it is a problem again10:50
crimsunI hate Toshiba P100s.  All of them known to exist use broken DSDTs, and it really creates dozens of new bugs for me every week.10:51
LaserJockoh, awesome10:52
LaserJockI see a note that my model of Toshiba doesn't have a toshiba BIOS10:52
persiaLaserJock: See, you don't really have a Toshiba :)10:52
LaserJockwell, they certainly could have fooled me10:53
crimsunnormally I smile when I read that someone has a Toshiba, because that pretty much means I can reject the sound bug outright.10:53
superm1and clearly they did :)10:53
LaserJockI even paid to get the stupid thing repaired10:53
persiaThat's called "Marketing".10:53
crimsunwell, if anyone has horrid marketing, Creative Labs certainly is in the top three ignoble list.10:54
LaserJockand my wife wonders why I want to get a new laptop, shesh10:54
crimsundon't you already have an Apple running OS X?10:54
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LaserJockcrimsun: that's my work computer11:02
LaserJockI've just got crappy machines at home11:02
jamyskisdebhelper is a bloody nightmare11:03
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jamyskissuperm1: when it says that the extended description line is too long, does it mean the summary in the control file?11:07
superm1jamyskis, it should be less than 80 columns11:07
superm1if its more, then wrap to the next line instead11:07
jamyskissuperm1: can you have blank lines in the extended description`11:08
superm1You can make a blank line show up by " ."11:09
superm1let me pastebin for a better explanation. 11:09
superm1jamyskis, like this http://pastebin.ca/55245811:10
superm1on line 8 you just put the period11:10
superm1and then carry on as normal for other lines11:10
jamyskisgot it11:10
jamyskissuperm1, i built the package complete with manpage (named manpage.1) but typing man naughts_and_crosses doesn't work - im not sure if it installed or not11:12
superm1jamyskis, you have to include a debian/manpages11:12
superm1that lists what manpages get installed 11:12
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superm1for debhelper to pick up11:12
superm1you can see a list of installed files in the resultant package using "dpkg -L"11:12
superm1after its installed11:13
man-dior dpkg -c ...deb (for uninstalled packages)11:13
superm1man-di, oooh didn't know you could do that :)11:13
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man-disuperm1: hehe, easier to check stuff before installing and something wents wrong11:14
=== persia prefers dpkg --contents - longer to type, but easier to remember
superm1jamyskis, also make sure that you included a dh_installman 11:15
superm1in debian/rules11:15
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jamyskissuperm1: i have the problem that my makefile was automatically generated and it sends the docs to /usr/doc and i'm trying to adjust my makefiles11:16
jamyskissuperm1: but im not sure how11:16
superm1jamyskis, well don't make the changes to the Makefile unless you intend to release those changes in the upstream version too.  all your changes should be done in the debian/ directory11:17
superm1if you must edit the Makefile, do so using a dpatch11:18
jamyskishow do you do that?11:18
man-diWhat nick has Arthur Loiret again?11:18
LaserJockdang, this laptop sounds like an airplane taking off :/11:18
jamyskisi have two variables in the configure script i need to change...how would i do that in the debian directory?11:18
persiaman-di: bashelier11:18
\shjamyskis, via autofoo magic11:19
man-dijamyskis: perhaps configuring with --mandir=... --infodir=.... helps you11:19
man-dipersia: thanks11:19
man-dibashelier: ping11:19
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bashelierman-di: pong11:19
man-dibashelier: I just replied to your mail11:20
DarkSun88Hi all11:20
man-dibashelier: to make it more clear: replace ${Source-Version} by ${source:Version} or ${binary:Version}11:20
man-dibashelier: to make the package binNMU safe11:21
bashelierman-di: thanks, I'll also try to update my lintian version :)11:21
man-dibashelier: http://wiki.debian.org/binNMU explains this a bit11:21
bashelierman-di: I'm reading, thanks a lot11:22
siretartwe don't do binNMUs in ubuntu, but sourceful uploads with no changes outside debian/changelog, but in debian, binNMUs are quite important11:25
man-disiretart: this is about sponsoring a package for Debian11:25
man-disiretart: and the later sync11:26
man-diso it should be okay for Debian first11:26
siretartoh. I see11:26
siretartthat's correct11:26
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siretartit's still imporant to know that in debian, arch: all packages never build on buildds, and in ubuntu, they always are, and always on i38611:27
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siretartand this is where much confusion comes from11:27
man-disiretart: thats known at least to me11:27
man-dibut thanks for reminding11:28
man-diI know Debian und Ubuntu are handling some stuff quite differently11:28
man-diand both hat their reasons for doing so11:28
man-disiretart: another question: do you know then the bandwith problem on tiber will be solved? the java package comparison is not updated anymore11:29
siretartman-di: no not yet, I want to look at debconf more into it11:30
man-diah, okay11:30
siretartI thought a reboot might fix it, but it didn't :/11:30
man-diwhat is the problem at all? network driver collapsing?11:30
siretartnot sure. I might need to get a support ticket from serverpronto11:31
Fujitsuman-di: I've got a few of those running on the ServerPronto box that I administer. I can easily set it up there if you wish.11:33
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man-diFujitsu: that would be great, all I need is what http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/java.html shows11:36
jamyskissuperm1: should the directory in the source directory for manpages be called man manpage or manpages?11:36
man-diFujitsu: just an updated version11:37
superm1jamyskis,  the file should be debian/manpages11:37
superm1and it just lists all shipped manpages11:37
jamyskissuperm1: i have the file debian/manpages which has manpage.1 in it11:37
superm1such as debian/foo.111:37
jamyskissuperm1: but i don't know where manpage.1 should go11:37
jamyskisdh_installman complained it couldn't find it11:37
superm1right, you need to refer to it as debian/foo.1 rather than foo.111:38
bashelierman-di: uploaded, shall I send you an other mail ?11:40
jamyskissuperm1: got you...just an administrative question, I've put the name of the distribution as gutsy because i thought the deb would be included in 7.10's repos11:40
jamyskissuperm1: should i ignore the warning that the distribution name is invalid?11:40
superm1jamyskis, yes11:41
superm1jamyskis, its just because of the version of linda/lintian on the revu machine doesn't recognize it11:41
man-dibashelier: yes, please11:41
superm1so not a big deal11:41
jamyskisok...hopefully this will be the last pbuilder i run now...11:42
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bashelierman-di: done11:43
man-dibashelier: thx11:43
jamyskissuperm1: thanks for your patience by the way, I've just noticed that this has been going for two hours now11:43
superm1jamyskis, not a problem, glad to see these things being fixed so we can get this into the archive :)11:43
superm1jamyskis, i am going to get to bed though now, its a bit early in the morning where i am11:43
jamyskissuperm1: as soon as I've got this fixed i'll get to work on my other game :)11:44
jamyskissuperm1: ok then good night and thanks again :)11:44
superm1night all11:44
persiajamyskis: Once you've got a package you think works, please upload again, and annouce the URL here.  You'll likely get another review, and perhaps advocation.11:44
jamyskispersia: will do11:45
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jamyskisok that didn`t work either :( despite adding --docdir=$${prefix}/share/docs to the ./configure in debian/rules it's still installing the docs in /usr/docs11:49
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jamyskisok its not docs it doc11:50
jamyskishi jekil11:51
persiajamyskis: Is /usr/doc defined in ./configure?11:52
jamyskispersia: yes11:52
persiaWith which variable name?11:52
jamyskispersia: docdir (not by my doing, I must add, as I developed the game using the Anjuta IDE and Anjuta created the makefile for me) 11:53
persiajamyskis: No worries about how it was generated: I just wanted to make sure that you were passing the right argument.  I've seen some odd ./configure files :)11:54
jamyskispersia: :)11:55
jamyskisits still installing to /usr/doc11:56
persiajamyskis: As I see it, if ./configure isn't accepting the argument, you have four options, as a matrix.  Either as upstream or in a dpatch, either patch configure to parse --docdir= or define docdir as /usr/share/doc/ directly.11:56
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man-dijamyskis: does configuring with --docdir=/usr/share/doc help?11:56
persiajamyskis: There are also less clean solutions, like adding a mv command to binary/install, but you really don't want to do that.11:57
jamyskispersia: I'll try a manual source install11:57
jamyskispersia: manual source install didn't work either12:01
jamyskispersia: would it help if i set docdir in the configure manually in both the source directory and the orig.tar.gz?12:02
jamyskisi have no idea how to use dpatches12:02
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jamyskispersia: ok this gets weirder - ill show you something in the pastebin hold on12:04
jamyskispersia: http://pastebin.ca/552514 <- excerpt from the original configure file...what do you notice?12:05
persiajamyskis: As upstream, you'll want to bump the version number for the configure change (and perhaps want to adjust config.in instead).  As the packager, you'll want to `man dpatch.make` and look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources12:05
FujitsuWow, tiber's 'net connection really is slow.12:06
persiajamyskis: Ah.  Try passing --datarootdir=/usr/share :)12:06
persiaWait, that's already there.  Now I'm confused.12:06
jamyskispersia: it already is :)12:06
jamyskispersia: exactly12:06
jamyskispersia: that's why i don't get it...when i do it through debhelper it installs the docs to /usr/doc, if i do a manual source install it installs them to /usr/local/doc12:07
jamyskisi don't get it12:07
persiajamyskis: Try a local build, and track down what actually gets put in the Makefile.  Perhaps you can backtrack what is happening.12:07
jamyskispersia: http://pastebin.ca/55251812:09
jamyskispersia: yet when i "make install" it installs the docs to /usr/local/doc/naughts_and_crosses12:10
persiajamyskis: That's built with `./configure; make` or with `debuild`?12:10
jamyskispersia: ./configure/make12:10
persiajamyskis: You'll probably want to look at the install: rule of your Makefile.  I suspect something odd.12:11
jamyskispersia: prefix is set as /usr/local so it should be installing the docs in /usr/local/share/doc/naughts_and_crosses by default12:11
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persiajamyskis: That sounds like an upstream bug to me :)  Nice work in finding it.12:15
jamyskispersia: thanks although its my program12:17
persiajamyskis: When you are both upstream and the packager, it's a little easier, because you don't have to patch - you can just release a new version :)12:18
jamyskispersia: true, I'm just left a little confused how I can solve this because this is a problem with automake12:18
geserjamyskis: look in Makefile.am: naughts_and_crossesdocdir = ${prefix}/doc/naughts_and_crosses12:19
jamyskisgeser: change that to ${prefix}/share/doc/naughts_and_crosses?12:22
jamyskisupstream and package?12:22
geserthat would install it in the correct place but it still would ignore the --docdir value12:23
jamyskisthat'll do for the time being12:24
jamyskisi just want to get this deb package sorted12:24
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geserdon't forget to regenerate Makefile.in (or patch it also)12:25
geserwhen I look at Makefile.in, it looks like docdir is defined but not used12:26
Kmosgeser: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5429 -> please commment this one12:27
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geserKmos: for merges 1 ACK is enough, but I can still look at it12:30
persiaKmos: For new upstream merges, you only need one advocate (prior to UVF).  Once you get an advocation, if it's not uploaded, you should bug your advocate :)12:30
jamyskisi don't believe this - it's STILL installing to /usr/doc12:30
jamyskisok i and my wireless mouse need a rest12:31
jamyskisill be back later on12:31
geserjamyskis: did you update Makefile.in and re-run configure to update also Makefile?12:32
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geserKmos: you should ask keescook (or some other core-dev) for uploading it as gqview is in main12:33
crimsunI'll look.12:34
Kmoscrimsun: you can upload it ?12:34
crimsunI have to look first.12:34
Kmosok :)12:34
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Kmoscrimsun: thx12:35
jamyskisgeser: i did and its still doing it12:35
jamyskisgeser: i'll come back to it later12:35
jamyskisgeser: thx again12:35
Kmosubuntu-main-sponsors is a mailing list ? i can't found it12:35
crimsunit's an LP team12:35
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crimsunguess uploads are being queued again.12:48
crimsunare these outages being announced somewhere?12:48
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Fujitsucrimsun: No, but I suspect they now think we're used to them going into big black holes regularly.12:53
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man-diI have added my gpg key to launchpad and added myself to "Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe". What else do I need to do to be able to upload to REVU?01:00
persiaman-di: Sleep on it (or bug an admin) to get the keys synced.01:01
man-dicool, thats all?01:03
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persiaman-di: Yep.  It's a low barrier to entry :)01:04
Kmoscrimsun: any news ?01:04
korobase_Hi,all. I am new here!01:06
persiaHi korobase_01:06
crimsun~$ sudo -u revu1 revu-key update01:07
korobase_:persia.Can I ask you some questions?01:07
crimsunrunning.  It will take a while due to tiber being a bit sluggish over the network.01:07
persiakorobase_: You'll get a better response by just asking the channel in general, but I might answer.01:08
crimsunKmos: see my statement 20 minutes ago.01:08
Kmos[11:48]  <crimsun> guess uploads are being queued again.01:08
Kmosbut you can't approved it and it goes to queue ?01:08
crimsunKmos: I've already uploaded it.  I have nothing to do with it beyond that.01:09
Kmoscrimsun: ah!.. thc01:09
Kmoscrimsun: ah!.. thx01:09
korobase_I want to find a mentor. Any one can help me?01:10
Kmosbug 322201:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/322201:11
Kmosi think it's already fixed..01:11
Kmossomeone else can confirm it01:12
persiakorobase_: A mentor is not a requirement to help, but you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor01:12
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jekili cant upload to revu because i get this error http://rafb.net/p/Q5kI5H94.html01:35
persiajekil: Is this for a package you recently uploaded?01:36
jekilpersia: because in the last upload my gprs connection going down, so it's a partial upload, but i can't overwrite01:37
persiajekil: OK.  I just wanted to make sure.  When that happens, ask here for someone to delete the old upload from REVU (you need to specify the package name).01:37
jekilpersia: thanks01:38
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jekilso, anyone can delete tablelist old upload from revu?01:38
persiajekil: Not anyone, but many people (more than just REVU admins).01:38
persiajekil: Sorry ignore that :)01:39
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Hobbseehey all01:43
persiahi Hobbsee01:44
persiaThe really fun part of looking at bugs nobody wanted to sponsor for the last 8 months is the number of removal requests I get to file :)01:47
Hobbseeeyah - a lot of them i either dont understand, or cant tell if they're still relevant01:47
Hobbsee8 months, hey?01:48
persiaHobbsee: Sort by "recently changed".  Most of the ones at the top should be fine for upload.01:48
persiaThat's not so bad - there used to be ones from 2005 around :)01:49
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Hobbseetrue that - they changed the ones assigned to MOTU to being subscribed to u-u-s01:49
DarkMageZif you don't understand a bug. then ask in the bug for a better explaination.01:51
Hobbseewell, the diff was more the problem01:52
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Hobbsee"how does this solve the problem, and does it do it in a sane way?"01:52
persiaHobbsee: Ask the requestor.  It's their responsibility to provide enough information to be sponsored.01:52
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Hobbseetrue that01:54
Hobbseethat's what i usually do01:54
Hobbseebut large buglists have a habit of making me go "i'm not actually getting this down, there's no point in continuing"01:54
persiaHobbsee: It's not a large buglist :)01:54
Hobbseeno, but anything over 1 page == large01:55
persiaHobbsee: It's 1/3 of a page.01:55
Hobbseetrue.  last i looked at it and worked on it was a while ago01:55
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StevenKUh oh01:56
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StevenKYou forgot the trademark01:58
persiaStevenK: Doesn't it take at least a day or two to register a trademark?  I think that's a new one.01:58
crimsunthings are accelerated in Hobbsee time.01:58
Hobbseeusing HobbseeLogic01:59
Hobbseein the HobbseeWorld01:59
Hobbseeand 25 is a cube in HobbseeWorld, dammit!!!!01:59
imbrandonmoins all01:59
Hobbseemorning redneck.01:59
imbrandonheh heya01:59
imbrandonyou seem in rare form today 02:00
Hobbseein rare form?  why so?02:00
Hobbseeimbrandon: i've been dealing in kde buglists and such.02:00
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apacheloggeris revu server not accepting uploads or something?02:03
Fujitsuapachelogger: What's it not doing?02:05
persiaapachelogger: It's been working for several people in the last few hours.  What problem are you experiencing?02:05
apacheloggerpersia: 12 hours ago I tried to upload kopete-thinklight -> didn't wanna upload02:06
persiaNafallo: Does bug 114301 still need sponsorship, or will the bzr commit get released to gutsy in due time?02:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114301 in gajim "Bug in fr.po translation that breaks invitation" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11430102:06
apachelogger3 hours later I uploaded a fixed version of kde3-theme-domino02:06
apacheloggerdidn't show up in webinterface yet02:06
apacheloggersame for libprojectm02:06
persiaapachelogger: Odd.  I saw several updates to packages about 5 hours ago, showing in the webinterface.  Ping an Admin.02:07
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Hobbseei saw kde3-theme-domino sitting there, iirc02:08
apacheloggerHobbsee: not the fixed version though02:10
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Hobbseethat's weird02:11
Hobbseedid anyone here upload krawlsite?02:11
Hobbseeor swfdec?02:12
apacheloggernot me02:12
Hobbseeor libprojectm_0.99-0ubuntu1_source.changes ?02:12
persiaKmos: Sorry for the long delay.  3222 is an odd bug.  It might be worth referencing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/menu-items-revisited or https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/better-structured-game-menu as plans toward a solution.02:12
Hobbseeapachelogger: okay, wait ~5 mins, i think it is, and it should magically appear02:12
apacheloggerHobbsee: ok :)02:13
Hobbseeapachelogger: you didnt drop out of the REVU group on LP, i assume?02:13
Hobbseethat's weird.02:15
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU02:15
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Hobbseevery odd.02:15
apacheloggerHobbsee: hopefully not02:16
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Hobbseeoh well02:16
ubotuMicrosoft Internet Explorer 6 SP2 6.0.2900.2180 and 6.0.2800.1106, and earlier versions, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) and execute arbitrary code via a Javascript BODY onload event that calls the window function, aka "Mismatched Document Object Model Objects Memory Corruption Vulnerability." (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2005-1790)02:17
Kmospersia: nice02:17
Kmospersia: i've added the blueprint to that bug02:19
Kmosasac: bug 2603802:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 26038 in mozilla "[CVE-2005-1790]  DoS against Mozilla-based browsers" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2603802:22
Kmosasac: isn't this fixed ?02:22
DarkMageZKmos, according to the bug report it hangs 1.5. but it does appear to hang firefox here. so unless someone can confirm that it's not killing dapper anymore.02:28
DarkMageZdoesn't appear to hang *02:28
Kmosdapper has v2.0.0.4 ?02:28
DarkMageZna, feisty has but dapper has 1.5 which the bug says is affected.02:29
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Kmosit says fix released on debian02:29
ubotuDebian bug 340282 in mozilla-browser "[CVE-2005-1790]  DoS against Mozilla-based browsers" [Grave,Closed]  02:29
apacheloggerHobbsee: already found the problem?02:29
Hobbseeapachelogger: did it publish?02:30
Hobbseeapachelogger: well, i found that the uploads got rejected02:30
apacheloggernope :(02:30
apacheloggerhm, I knew revu would hate me for all the uploads ;-)02:31
Hobbseei wonder02:34
Hobbseeif the keys in the keyring are being updated - are they throwing the old keys out, and adding new ones, or what?02:34
Kmoslionel: bug 510602:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 5106 in jabberd2 "jabberd2 s2s crashes shortly after startup" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/510602:35
Kmoslionel: can you do a sync for debian ?02:35
StevenKIt is probably grabbing all the keys from LP, throwing them together and replacing the current keyring at the end.02:35
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Kmoslionel: can you do a sync from debian ? it has version s10 in experimental02:36
lionelKmos: it is fixed in Debian ?02:36
lionelyes, we can sync from Debian02:36
Kmoslionel: yes, it is02:36
lionelKmos: can you make a sync request, I'll ack it02:36
HobbseeStevenK: that's what it's looking like to me02:36
Kmos"2.0s11 seems to be in Debian experimental now if someone wants to request a UVFe."02:37
lionelyeah, I have seen02:37
Hobbseeapachelogger: oh, i see the problem02:37
DarkMageZKmos, firefox from mozilla just hung on me using that poc. ubuntu's firefox package in dapper is messy, so it's difficult to see the individual debian/ubuntu patches. i doubt it has been fixed in dapper.02:38
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KmosDarkMageZ: i marked it was fixed02:39
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Hobbseeer, this thing is seriously weird.02:39
Kmoslionel: can i assign the sync to you ?02:39
lionelyeah, np02:40
Kmosok, thx02:40
Hobbseehobbsee@tiber:~$ gpg --list-public-keys 7D2BCE85  C3F159CA 945348A402:40
Hobbseegpg: error reading key: public key not found02:40
Hobbseehobbsee@tiber:~$ gpg --list-keys 7D2BCE85  C3F159CA 945348A402:41
Hobbseegpg: error reading key: public key not found02:41
apacheloggersry, got disconnected02:41
Hobbseesomeone who's better at gpg...what does that mean?02:41
Hobbseeis that the public key of what tiber considers it's owner, or of the individual people's keys?02:41
StevenKWell, the first question is where does the keyring updater script put the keyring?02:42
Hobbseesome temporary location and then moves it, it seems.02:42
StevenKMoves it where, though?02:42
geserHobbsee: are you doing it as the right user?02:42
StevenKSince I suspect it isn't ~hobbsee/.gnupg02:42
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geserelse it checks your pubring on tiber02:42
Hobbseegeser: yes.  /srv/revu1-production/uploaders.gpg02:43
Hobbseesorry, StevenK /srv/revu1-production/uploaders.gpg02:43
StevenKHobbsee: gpg --keyring /srv/revu1-production/uploaders.gpg ....02:43
Hobbseethen it asks me to type a message02:45
Hobbseeit appears that the keyserver is timing out.02:45
StevenKgpg --keyring /srv/revu1-production/uploaders.gpg --list-keys 7D2BCE8502:45
HobbseeStevenK: no root02:46
jribin REVU, is the login usually the email?02:46
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persiajrib: It is always the email on the key.02:47
Hobbseethe primary, i think02:47
persiaRight.  Sorry.02:48
Kmoslionel: bug 11954502:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119545 in jabberd2 "Please sync jabberd2 2.0s11 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11954502:48
jribThanks, I wasn't sure if I had just forgotten the login name.  Can someone check if the recover lost password feature is working?  It doesn't give me any text to decrypt02:48
persiajrib: Have you uploaded anything?02:48
jribpersia: many months ago02:48
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lionelKmos: thanks, I'll have a look in a few min02:49
persiajrib: You only need to log in to comment on your uploads.  If your account got lost for some reason (I don't know why it would), a new upload should regenerate it.02:49
jribpersia: ah ok, thanks02:49
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Hobbseeapachelogger: i'ts timing out, so i think it hasnt actually imported your key.02:51
Hobbseeeither that, or has stuffed up somewhere, and isnt actually copying over *anyone's* key to the correct place02:51
Hobbseeapachelogger: what's the full name on your key?02:52
Hobbseeoh wait, nvm02:53
Hobbseeit's not done alphabetically anyway, it seems02:53
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geserHobbsee: what happens when you try to add his key to the keyring?02:59
Hobbseegeser: havent tried.  not sure i have the permissions to.02:59
Hobbseeespecially as the keyring is in a different place, it looks like02:59
Hobbseewhich i likely dont have write access to03:00
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Hobbseeapachelogger: of?03:00
apacheloggerto never be able to upload03:01
Hobbseenah, siretart will be able to fix it03:01
apacheloggercause I'm packaging pure amarok love right now :)03:01
jekilthis lintian error is related to what? manpage-has-useless-whatis-entry03:01
apacheloggerjekil: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tmanpage-has-useless-whatis-entry.html03:02
Hobbseeapachelogger: oh?  which version?03:02
apacheloggerHobbsee: not amarok, but visualization for amarok03:03
apacheloggerHobbsee: http://xmms-projectm.sourceforge.net/03:03
Hobbseeapachelogger: neat.  email it to me, if you like, when you're done03:03
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apacheloggerk, thx :)03:03
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persiajekil: You need to provide a little more information about the program in the short description.  Try to use keywords that will help people using apropos to find man pages.03:05
jekilpersia: thanks03:05
jribIf I am trying to package something that does not provide tarballs (I had to do an svn co), do I create a tar.gz of the checkout?  Also, what should I calll the directory of the checkout, should I rename it to  program-revision_number  or  program-date?  Anyone know where the documentation is for this?03:05
StevenKjrib: Create a tarball of an export.03:06
StevenKjrib: Since a checkout will have .svn directories everywhere.03:06
jribgood point03:06
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Hobbseehi chuck 03:06
persiajrib: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball (look for the cvs example).03:07
jribpersia: thanks03:08
persiajrib: Don't forget debian/README.Debian-source :)03:08
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lionelhi mumbly03:19
_EnchainedHobbsee hi. can you remove again the b5i2iso package ? I can't upload it (same error than this morning)03:25
Hobbseestill waiting on the key resync03:27
Hobbseedid the fix this morning work though?03:27
_Enchainedwhat fix ?03:27
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_Enchainedthe others seem ok. I just forgot to include the upstream changelog in this one.03:28
Hobbsee_Enchained: shoudl be gone03:29
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_Enchainedagain :/03:33
_Enchainedshould I use dcut ?03:33
StevenKNot for REVU03:33
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RainCTpersia: about bug 117180, the new upstream version is in Debian experimental03:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117180 in desktop-file-utils "Encoding is deprecated" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11718003:58
luisbgwhat do I need to tweak in a package if it uses cmake instead of makefile?03:59
RainCTpersia: the only difference I see (beside the maintainer) is that there's a debian/defaults.list file on Ubuntu but not on Debian (don't know if it was there on the old debian version or it was added by Ubuntu)03:59
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RainCTpersia: if it wasn't there too on the old Debian version, does it need a merge to add that file?04:00
persiaRainCT: I'm looking.04:01
apacheloggeranyone knows what to do against rpath issues?04:01
apacheloggerW: libvisual-projectm: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/libvisual-0.4/actor/actor_projectM.so /usr/lib/X1104:01
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mr_pouityou can try to add --disable-rpath to ./configure args04:02
persiaapachelogger: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html has a section on rpath04:02
apacheloggerpersia: thx04:03
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apacheloggerpersia: considering I unerstand this properly ... rpath is only a real issue when it defines /usr/lib?04:04
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persiaapachelogger: Um.  I read it as rpath is a problem unless it is a private library, with no -dev package, and no other users.  Try to avoid rpath unless something bad happens without it.04:06
apacheloggerpersia: well, how to get rid of that thing?04:07
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=== apachelogger doesn't see a problem anyway, since libvisual-projectm is private
persiaRainCT: I think it needs to be a merge.  Check with the person who always handles this package to see if there are other pending changes.04:08
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persiaapachelogger: if it's completely private, it might not be a problem, if you can guarantee it's completely private.  In that case, you can use a lintian override.  To get rid of it, try mr_pouit's suggestion first.  If that doesn't work, check the build system to see what needs to get passed where (or patched).04:09
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apacheloggerk, thx04:10
persiaRainCT: Sorry - the some changelog entries are missing, which makes it confusing.  You need to coordinate with the last uploader.04:11
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Nafallopersia: will not need sponsorship since I'm a MOTU myself. I think the change is currently to small to be an upload by itself. Please leave feedback on that though.04:17
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persiaNafallo: Thanks for the update.  I'm going to drop it from the U-U-S queue, assuming that your last comment is sufficient feedback and that the fix will be applied in gutsy.04:19
Nafallopersia: it will, thanks.04:19
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persiaYay!  Only 18 left :)04:20
man-dipersia: ping eclipse04:20
man-dipersia: tell me if you need more infos04:21
persiaman-di: Already looking at it (LP auto-emails bug subscribers).04:21
man-dipersia: can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-dbcp-java/+bug/119560 ?04:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119560 in libcommons-dbcp-java "Please sync libcommons-dbcp-java 1.2.1-5 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:22
man-dithe version is in debian incoming currently04:22
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=== persia needs to write a guide to the perfect SYNC bug.
man-dipersia: sorry to create you so much troubles04:25
Hobbseepersia: not the request sync script?04:26
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man-diHobbsee: script?04:27
Hobbseerequestsync, yes.04:27
persiaman-di: The goal is something like bug 114137 (which also isn't perfect).  You need a short summary of why a sync is better than a merge, and the new debian changelog (for eclipse only 3.2.2-1).  I think the current state of the eclipse bug is fine, but 119560 is hard to read.04:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114137 in thuban "Please sync thuban 1.2.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11413704:27
persiaHobbsee: I don't like requestsync.  I think my bug is better.04:27
Hobbseethen you havent requested enough syncs yet :P04:28
persiaman-di: No trouble.  If I tell you how to make a good sync, I have less to do :)04:28
persiaHobbsee: For me, it's easier to use LP than requestsync, as my local mail is broken, and I usually already have the Debian changelog in front of me from determining that I can do a sync.04:29
geserpersia: what don't you like on requestsync?04:29
persiageser: 1)  It requires working local mail.  2)  The formatting on LP later is ugly.  3)  It doesn't provide enough guidelines about what should be included in Rationale.04:29
persiageser: Other than those, it's nearly perfect, especially with the recent patches.04:30
Hobbseepersia: ah, fair enough04:30
Hobbseeit requires smtp.04:30
Hobbseepersia: uh...you're not changing the smtp server are you?04:31
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luisbgdo you guys have your pbuilders built for gutsy or for feisty?04:31
persialuisbg: I have sbuild for both.04:31
luisbgpersia, building it for gusty stalls to me :S04:31
Hobbseei have a gutsy and feisty pbuilder04:31
geserpersia: afaik 1) is wrong as it delivers the mail directly to fiordland.ubuntu.com04:31
persiaHobbsee: I haven't actually used requestsync since Dapper - it's just too ugly.04:31
RainCTpersia: where can I see who was the last uploader?04:32
Hobbseepersia: well, there were great improvements since then.04:32
HobbseeRainCT: aptitude changelog foo04:32
persiaRainCT: aptitude changelog packagename04:32
RainCTah yes :p04:32
persiaHobbsee: I still don't like the formatting, and LP is easy for me, as I already have the package bugs page open and the changelog in front of me.  I won't tell anyone else not to use requestsync, but I'm not likely to be convinced for a while yet :)04:33
Hobbseefair enough04:33
jekilany revu admin here?04:33
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persialuisbg: Build it for feisty, and dist-upgrade to gutsy once it's built.04:34
Hobbseejekil: yes, but i believe it's stuffed.  technicla term.04:34
luisbgpersia, will do, thanks04:34
persialuisbg: Just be careful with the naming.  Some of the automated scripts assume the name and the release match, so you might need to adjust a couple things.04:35
luisbgpersia, what differences does a package need in the rules file if built with cmake instead of make?04:36
persialuisbg: Trivially, an extra 'c'.  More specifically, with CDBS you need to overload the build, and with debhelper you need to adjust the rules to use the cmake conventions instead of the make conventions.04:37
luisbghmmmm feisty stalls in the same place, just after Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Packages [148kB] 04:38
persialuisbg: Also, you'll often get a better, faster response when asking questions in general, rather than to specific individuals.04:38
luisbgpersia, may I pm you?04:38
persialuisbg: OK, but I don't use pbuilder, so I'm not necessarily the best person to ask about it :)04:38
luisbgit's not about pbuilder, it's about adjusting the rules04:38
man-dipersia: so do you want me to give additional infos to one of the bugs?04:41
persiaman-di: Sorry.  I've become distracted.  Please, for bug 119560, but rather different information than more (use "Edit Description").04:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119560 in libcommons-dbcp-java "Please sync libcommons-dbcp-java 1.2.1-5 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11956004:42
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Kmossomeone can explain me why flite 1.2 was named flite 1.2-release2.204:47
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Kmosdoesn't have that on .tar.gz04:48
luisbg:S my pbuilder create is getting stalled at 99% everytime, doesn't matter if it's for gutsy or feisty or with multiverse or not04:53
DarkMageZKmos, that naming convention was imported from debian like that. feel free to burn them :P04:53
KmosDarkMageZ: yeah.. =)04:54
Kmosi'm doing the package now04:54
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man-dipersia: comment to 119560 added04:55
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Kmospersia: i can't change flite to flite (1.3-0ubuntu1) ?04:57
persiaman-di: Thanks.  I'll take this.  Please consider using "Edit Description" next time, to update the full text of the bug, and make it clearer to read.04:57
Kmos!info flite04:58
ubotuflite: A small run-time speech synthesis engine. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2-release-2.2 (feisty), package size 216 kB, installed size 444 kB04:58
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persiaKmos: I don't really care about the tar.gz name, and think upgrades are good, but please try to keep the source package and binary package names in sync with Debian.04:58
Kmospersia: ok04:58
man-dipersia: ah, now I got what you meant. sorry for being slow...04:59
persiaKmos: Sorry.  I misunderstood.  Changing the version to 0ubuntu1 will be a good thing :)04:59
Kmosah.. ok =)04:59
Kmos+--  7 lines: flite (1.2-release-2.2) unstable; urgency=low -- Clment Stenac04:59
Kmosthis is the latest changelog04:59
Kmoswhat differs from X-Original-Maintainer to XBSC-Original-Maintainer05:01
Kmoshow to know what to use?05:02
persiaKmos: Use XSBC-Original-Maintainer.  The first draft of DebianMaintainerField was vague, and we spent a week or so experimenting before we decided on that.05:03
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Kmosah.. ok05:03
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persiaKmos: To explain in more detail, X means that devscripts shouldn't complain, B means copy it to the binary, S means copy it to the .dsc, and C means copy it to the changes.  I think there's something in MOTU/FAQ about it.05:06
Kmosi'll see that later05:06
Kmosso by default use always XSBC for Ubuntu05:06
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Kmosis so slowly today05:08
man-didoes a sync request needs to be ACKed by two MOTUs?05:15
lionelman-di: only one05:15
man-dilionel: thx05:16
lionelnp :)05:16
man-dipersia: thx for ACKing both packages05:16
persiaman-di: No more cookies for you today.  For the rest, you have to subscribe U-U-S like everyone else :)05:16
man-dipersia: Thank you very much05:17
siretartHobbsee: huh?05:32
Hobbseesiretart: seems like REVU is broken - it's timing out to the keyserver when the keyring resyncs, and people are getting uploads into rejected/ when tehy used to be able to upload to revu05:32
siretartI'll look into it in a sek05:33
persiaOK.  Triage and cleanup of the U-U-S queue is complete.  Someone else please sponsor (or otherwise make go away) the remaining bugs :)05:35
man-dipersia: I can file new ones and subscribe U-U-S easily05:36
persiaman-di: That would be welcome :)05:37
bashelierthanks for audiere man-di ;)05:38
Kmossiretart: revu has some auto-expire system to delete packages ?05:39
Kmosit's so slowly last days05:39
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HobbseeKmos: it's not out of space05:40
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man-dipersia: thx05:40
man-dibashelier: thx05:40
jekilrevu is broken? clik here: http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=alessandro@lonerunners.net05:44
persiajekil: Yes.  It's being worked on.05:46
jekiloh thanks05:46
siretartKmos: the hardware has problems05:46
Kmossiretart: that's bad05:46
Hobbseesiretart: is PPA  and such expected to take it over?05:47
Hobbseeseeing as you were working on that05:47
Kmossiretart: which type?05:47
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siretartHobbsee: I'm still thinking about that. PPAs currently don't over any UI at all, and it is unlikely to get one which is able to replace REVU soon05:48
siretartHobbsee: however, I've been started to think how REVU2 could fetch sources from ppa's and offer commenting functionality and run lintian/linda and such05:48
siretartHobbsee: if you want to help coding, sure!05:49
siretartKmos: bandwith is slow05:49
Hobbseesiretart: darn.  i've lost the web address to get to PPA's now05:49
Hobbseesiretart: ahh.  sounds interesting05:49
Hobbseei dont have the coding knowledge, sorry05:49
persiaHuh?  PPAs work?  How?05:49
shawarmasiretart: Oh, you're actually helping out with the PPA coding, too?05:49
Hobbseeah, found the bugger.05:50
Hobbseepersia: http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/hobbsee/05:50
siretartshawarma: no, I'm not05:51
shawarmasiretart: Ah, ok.05:51
siretartshawarma: the ppa's offer an interface to apt. I'm thinking how revu could exploit that05:51
shawarmasiretart: Oh, right. I got lost in your conversation there.05:52
shawarmaQuick question:05:52
siretarthm. revu's bandwith is like 10-20k/s, and I have no idea why. the interface is at 100mbit/FD05:53
shawarmaWhat's the syntax for having a Depends: on e..g package foo version >= 2.5-1  AND < 2.6 ?05:53
StevenKSpecify it twice05:53
shawarmaIs it Depends: foo (>= 2.5-1), foo (<< 2.6) ?05:53
StevenKshawarma: Yup05:53
shawarmaOr can I join them somehow?05:53
shawarmaOk, great. Thanks.05:53
Kmossiretart: maybe it needs a restart :) only 20 kb/s lol..05:54
Kmossystem is updated? something is wrong05:55
siretartKmos: its uptime is 5 days, and the problems where already there before the reboot05:55
Kmosit uses apache or lighttpd ?05:57
siretartapache, revu is implemented in mod-python05:58
siretartneed to run now, will look at it again in debcamp05:58
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man-dihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-jk2/+bug/29605 is fixed by removing libapache2-mod-jk2. The last version this was included was breezy. Can someone please how to close this properly?06:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 29605 in libapache2-mod-jk2 "mod_jk2 is deprecated, mod_jk is newer (and for apache2)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  06:22
Hobbseeman-di: as in, how to close it, or what to say?06:22
man-diwhat settings to use for closing06:22
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man-diand: Am I allowed to close this at all?06:23
persiaman-di: You are allowed to close.  If it is fixed in the archives, please set to fix released, and report with which version is was fixed in a comment.06:23
Hobbseeman-di: yes, you can close it, click on libapache2-mod-jk2 (Ubuntu), and change the status, and hit "save changes"06:23
persiaman-di: If it is not fixed (and doesn't apply because it was breezy), please reject with that as an explanation.06:24
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man-dipersia: it was fixed by the removal06:26
persiaman-di: In that case, reject it.06:27
persiaman-di: And comment that it is rejected because it no longer applies to a package in the ubuntu archives.06:27
persiaman-di: On a more general note, you might want to ask (at a more active time) about bug management in #ubuntu-bugs.  Also, the topic of that channel has some useful links for how to manage bugs.06:29
man-dipersia: too late, I closed it already06:30
man-dipersia: thanks for the hint06:30
persiaman-di: Great!  Thanks.06:30
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man-dilionel: you merged libapache-mod-jk last time?06:36
man-dilionel: I wonder why you put the following change into it:06:37
man-di-cd build/docs && lynx -dump -nolist changelog.html > changelog06:37
man-di+cd build/docs/miscellaneous && lynx -dump -nolist changelog.html > ../changelog06:37
sacateris it possible to 'upgrade' from an ubuntu install to a tribe CD without having to re-install ubuntu06:39
sacateri would prefer to upgrade throught the stages06:39
Hobbseesacater: yes.  dist-upgrade.06:40
sacaterHobbsee: ooooh06:40
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Hobbseesacater: but you likely dont want to update to a snapshot.06:40
Hobbseeyou want to keep going for the moving target.06:40
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sacaterthank yee06:42
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jribhow can I figure out what version of python-support I need to depend on to byte-compile a python module if I know that the module requires python >= 2.3?07:24
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geserjrib: afaik linda or lintain will warn about the version of python-support if missing07:30
geserif you depend on python-support doing the .egg-info renaming, you need to depend on pyhton-support >= 0.6.407:30
jribgeser: thank you07:31
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jribI get "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}" when I try to build my package, why?  Here's what my control looks like atm: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24878/07:50
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jekilwhere i must install a software that must be installet right this: http://rafb.net/p/VUi1nc57.html07:52
geserjrib: you don't call dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules?07:53
jribgeser: hmm, I07:54
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jribI'm using cdbs and have  include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk  , I think that is supposed to call the dh_ stuff automatically.  Or am I wrong?07:55
Hobbseejrib: in theory, that's true07:55
geseryou are right07:55
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geserjrib: aren't you packaging a python app?07:55
jribgeser: yeah07:55
jriba module07:56
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geserok, a module might need it07:56
jribgeser: I tried reading the man page that describes it but wasn't sure I understood it so decided to leave it in.  I think you may be right that it isn't needed though.  The module is pure python07:58
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jribinteresting... even if I remove it I still see the warning in my pbuilder, must just be a quirk of some kind08:02
geseras long as your python module doesn't link against other libs, you can ignore the warning08:06
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leonelhello hello !08:07
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leonelkeescook: I've upgraded feisty's clamav  to the patched version  on another feisty   and  keeps  failing  with the  bad.rar     But the clamav I've builded with  pbuilder after patchin  and made the  debdiff  works  fine  ..08:57
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nixternaleffie_jayx: I notice you are Kubuntu on your laptop...how come your daughter isn't :)09:06
effie_jayxnixternal,  hehe... kde is a killer on that omnibook09:07
nixternalKDE is killer on everything!!!09:07
effie_jayxi tired it one... and it was just too slow09:07
nixternalthe only de that I noticed was slow for me ever, was enlightenment09:08
nixternalKDE has always been super fast for me, but then again I usually tweak a few things as well09:08
effie_jayxwell kde would eat up 90 ram for sure...09:08
nixternalI don't need all the bling bling junk, it just gets in the way09:08
effie_jayxand it only has 128 megs09:08
nixternaloh ya09:08
effie_jayxmine has a gig so I'm cool for kde09:09
nixternalyou got Edubuntu on that laptop for her is it just Ubuntu?09:09
leonelkeescook: the patched and builded here works  fine   and the updated from security  keeps  failing 09:09
effie_jayxnixternal,  it's xubuntu with the extra software09:09
nixternalahhh, cool09:09
effie_jayxthe edu packages...09:10
effie_jayxshe is one ubuntu freak09:10
effie_jayxshe just doesn't know the name ;)09:10
effie_jayxnixternal,  but once I ran a live cd of kurumin... with kde and edu packages on a pentium 1 133mhgz and 256 ram09:11
leonelkeescook: did I made something  wrong ?09:11
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alefteriswhere can i ask some newbe questions about packaging?09:18
geser#ubuntu-motu :)09:19
effie_jayxand taht would be here :D09:20
yoschraphink: ping09:21
keescookleonel: I'm not sure; it should be the same results.  Can you email me the "bad" RAR?09:23
alefteriswhat i do when the original source i want to packages is in .zip instead of tar.gz? I convert it my self and continue as usual?09:24
geseralefteris: yes09:25
alefterisok thanks09:25
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jribmy upload to revu doesn't seem to be showing up (uploaded 15 minutes ago)09:47
bmmdput gave no error messages?09:48
Hobbseejrib: revu is a bit broken09:48
jribNope, ended with: Successfully uploaded packages.    Not running dinstall.09:48
jribHobbsee: ok, so should I just try again some other day?09:48
Hobbseeyeah, i think so09:49
Hobbseegive it a few days, at least09:49
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leonelkeescook: what's your email ?10:09
leonelkeescook:  kees@ubuntu.com ?10:10
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leonelkeescook: just  reinstalled  clamav  and all worked  fine ...10:22
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blueyedI want to provide a debdiff for bug 66278: should I use 0.97-20ubuntu8 or 0.97-20ubuntu7.1 for the version (it's for gutsy)10:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 66278 in grub "[patch]  update-grub: savedefault can cause problems" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6627810:44
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Kmosblueyed: always the latest one10:46
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blueyedKmos: it's currently 0.97-20ubuntu7 - my question is how should I increase it in the changelog.10:47
Kmosi think it's that10:48
Kmosbecause the version number wasn't changed10:48
Kmosyeah, it's 10:50
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sacatergoing away for 2 weeks, toodles10:58
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StevenHarperUK_Hi : i'm looking for help to get my Python Project into a DEB package, I have made a Setup.py that is making a bdist, but i need to know how is the best way to do the next step11:04
cypherbiosStevenHarperUK_: have you already read the Debian Python Policy?11:11
StevenHarperUK_Can you give me a URL please11:12
crimsunhttp://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/  and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy11:13
cypherbiosthat's right11:13
StevenHarperUK_I have spent abut 6-7 hours on this11:14
StevenHarperUK_Ill read all that then :p11:14
cypherbiosStevenHarperUK_: it's a good point to start ;)11:14
cypherbioscrimsun: oh, I still having that problem with .mo files, would you take a look at source if I put it into somewhere you can get?11:15
cypherbiosthanks, I'm going to upload somewhere11:17
crimsunI'm a bit scattered this evening - lots of kids running around, so I may not respond immediately11:18
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cypherbioscrimsun: no problem, no hurry11:20
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cypherbioscrimsun: http://www.cypherbios.org/aptoncd/0.1.91-1/11:26
cypherbioscrimsun: when you have the chance... thanks :)11:26
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jekilwhere i must install a software that must be installet right this? http://rafb.net/p/VUi1nc57.html11:42
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