[12:27] yep [12:27] 6 reboot, 0 off and 1 single user mode (borked mode :) [12:28] That relies on there already being a script called mythtv-backend in init.d [12:28] well it will be there [12:28] after mythtv-backend is installed [12:28] :) [12:28] so if this is added to a postinst script [12:28] for mythbuntu-live [12:28] eventually [12:29] but in the interim is put in the build script [12:29] and then during postrm script they can all be reactivated [12:29] Uninstall symlinks: update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend remove [12:29] thats all it takes/ [12:30] :) [12:30] easy as pi [12:30] I had a real headache working out how to do when i wanted my tvon/tvoff python script to fire [12:30] could you add that to the build script then and commit it ? [12:31] I'm not going to be home for a few hrs :) [12:31] just at some step later than the mythv-backend install, but before the second chroot [12:31] Hopefully i won't bork it :) [12:33] By end of Step N: eveything is installed? [12:33] #Step N: Preinstall all other options [12:33] apt-get -y install -o Acquire::Retries=$APT_RETRIES ubuntu-mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend-master lirc lirc-modules-source module-assistant mythweb openssh-server mythtv [12:33] yes [12:34] #Step U: Remove our fake scripts [12:34] That could become - fix scripts [12:34] Right before STEP 6 which is gen chroot iso script [12:36] laga: do you have a vanilla mythbuntu machine? [12:36] or the livecd handy? [12:36] no [12:37] boooo [12:37] better re-create my virtual machine [12:37] heh [12:37] get some snapshots next time :) [12:38] apache-perl isn't installed with mythweb? [12:39] Daviey, its not? [12:40] Daviey, that fix scripts section is quite urgent. It prevents pegasus from running everything we install in the chroot :) === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:42] hey guys if you tried asking me something in the last 6 hours you'll have to ask me again, as I left myself signed on at work [12:42] superm1_: just about to commit [12:43] DaveMorris: you missed it all.. nevermind [12:43] it was great! [12:43] great DaveMorris :) [12:43] what did I miss? [12:43] great Daviey :) [12:44] okie dokie, hopefully i be back later this evening. ignore superm1, he is a sign on from home that i forgot to sign off. i'll try to kick him but i think he autorejoins [12:44] superm1_: if apache2 is installed by default i'll need to deal with that aswell === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1_] by ChanServ === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1_] by ChanServ === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:44] wb [12:45] Daviey, it is installed by default [12:45] doh [12:45] so that's 4 services [12:45] (because of mythweb) [12:45] mythtv-backend mysql and apache2 [12:45] thats 3 [12:45] whats the fourth? [12:45] plus apache-perl [12:45] thats a service? [12:45] seems so [12:45] its an apache module [12:45] sure? [12:46] does it have an init script? [12:46] " Start the apache-perl HTTP server." [12:46] deffo has an init script [12:46] hm i dont think i've ever seen it [12:46] wtf [12:46] This isn't a clean machine i might add.. [12:46] DaveMorris: does your's not have it? [12:47] I'm not running perl [12:47] let me double check mythweb depends [12:47] but let me check [12:47] DaveMorris: what does "find /etc/rc* | grep apache" return for you [12:47] on backend [12:47] /etc/rc0.d/K91apache2 [12:47] /etc/rc1.d/K91apache2 [12:47] /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2 [12:47] /etc/rc3.d/S91apache2 [12:47] /etc/rc4.d/S91apache2 [12:47] /etc/rc5.d/S91apache2 [12:48] /etc/rc6.d/K91apache2 [12:48] apache-perl not a requirment then :) [12:48] superm1: having personality issues? [12:48] mother/gf making up his quit messages? [12:49] laga: don't assume - could be bf :) [12:50] Daviey: well, if you start being PC, you might as well include those people with even more interesting preferences [12:51] they can dpkg --reconfigure [12:51] true. some religious groups use dpkg--reocnfigure --force [12:51] Arg! why is bzr using VIM rather than nano [12:52] it was using nano before re-install >:( [12:53] Daviey: export EDITOR=`which nano` ? [12:53] where's that then [12:53] Daviey: because vim is better [12:54] hahahah [12:54] Daviey: you giving a lightling talk at LRL about mythbuntu ? [12:54] heh - no [12:54] Juski is doing one on mythtv [12:54] And has included us on his handout [12:55] cool === DaveMorris wonders we should knock up some mythbuntu business cards ? [12:55] methinks DaveMorris is keen [12:55] I can get them printed at the uni you see [12:56] DaveMorris: awesome - fancy getting me some ubuntu business cards :) [12:56] with my pgp key on [12:56] I'll find out the price [01:09] superm1: ping === Daviey worries that bzrupdate took too long on mythbuntu.org [01:14] DaveMorris: you can still just exec mythbuntu_install.sh with no params? [01:15] yes [01:16] btw can you check if suprm1 has changed the proxy setting to lowercase? [01:16] will do === DaveMorris uni send the cards out to be done profesonially [01:17] #Proxy if needed [01:17] if [ -z "$HTTP_PROXY" ] ; then HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy.url [01:17] fi [01:17] is that ok? [01:17] ok it all needs to be lowercase, and can you make it default to nothing [01:18] #Proxy if needed [01:18] if [ -z "$http_proxy" ] ; then http_proxy="" [01:18] fi [01:19] is that ok? [01:19] yep [01:19] thanks [01:19] commiting [01:19] http://www.logiprint.co.uk/index.php?c=visitenkarten_4w&bereich=vk&cardtype=4w&provid=gen_business_cards is what you want daviey, ubuntu 1 side and mythbuntu the other [01:20] DaveMorris: check the changelog [01:20] link for the lazy [01:20] penny for the guy [01:21] Not too bad prices on them cards [01:21] i looked briefly ad thought naa [01:21] you should def get doubled sided ones though [01:21] https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu [01:21] thanks [01:22] :) [01:23] umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/proc: not mounted [01:23] umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/sys: not mounted [01:23] umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/dev/pts: not found [01:23] umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/var/cache/apt/archives: not mounted [01:23] find: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/lib/modules/: No such file or directory [01:23] Usage: umount [-hV] umount -a [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] [-t vfstypes] [-O opts] umount [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] special | node... [01:23] Starting cleanup for Mythbuntu build, Fri Jun 8 18:23:21 CDT 2007 [01:23] Clean eh? [01:24] meh [01:24] might clean that up next update [01:24] wow imbrandon's local mirror is fast [01:25] I'm doing another build now.. wonder how it will turn out [01:25] It's a real nusiance that you can't just patch the iso :D [01:25] I'll be doing some run throught installs soon to help sort out this testing framework for others to follwo [01:26] that would be great [01:26] i really want to set up an RSS feed of ISO's so we can autograb them when built [01:26] I think we need to lower the barrier to entry for the others [01:26] would make hometesting much easier [01:27] suprem1 was gonna mae the new versions apt-get upgrade once booted before installing [01:27] yeah.. good for beta. [01:27] but bad for bugtraqing tho [01:27] 'What version are you running' "Depends what day you ran it :) [01:28] not really, because the bugs will either be against the iso, in which case a new iso is released, or they are against the packages installed [01:28] true.. [01:29] looking at the build.. we've still got loada stuff that could be stripped out [01:30] Any idea what the recent kernel security updates are about? [01:30] Changelog not propogated yet, my end === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:39] Daviey: the USN covers it: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-470-1 [01:51] woo [01:52] keescook: ahh.. somebody in my LoCo had this bug [01:53] tried to fix it for them... but had no idea why it wasn't working [01:53] Daviey: yeah, there are a bunch of weird things involved with that kernel update. Hopefully this will make things better. [01:58] has mythdvd improved any since .19? === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:03] rogue780|mythsrv: not sure i can remember 0.19 :) [02:03] rogue780|mythsrv: do you use the Internal player or xine/mplayer? [02:04] rogue780|mythsrv: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20#MythDVD [02:05] don't use anything atm....hell I don't even have an optical drive in my frontend [02:05] curious is I should try to get it running, or if it'd be a waste of time [02:05] IMO the Internal player has improved loads. Previously i had to use xine.. prefer standard interface of Internal player [02:06] rogue780|mythsrv: Do you have a need for DVD's? If so then yes :) [02:06] I have an antiquated dvd player that I'm using now....but I'm a fan of centralization....the fewer things I've got to have plugged in the better in my book [02:07] On the few occasions i have used mythdvd it has done it's job. But i prefer ripping and using mythvideo [02:07] mythdvd doesn't save paused/exit location like mythvideo AFAIK [02:08] argh...now I've got to learn how to make cookies/sessions (other topic....my $5M idea...) [02:08] unfortunately ripping and such isn't very wife-friendly atm [02:09] I'm glad PHP is proving easy to learn. [02:15] Daviey, have you seen the new gtk theme that superm1 put together? [02:15] not yet [02:15] http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/new_gtk_theme.png [02:15] noticed it was submitted to revu tho [02:15] oww plush [02:15] is that...good? [02:16] yes [02:17] sweet. [02:17] I'm working on a GDM theme currently. I'm going to try to mirror what he did with the look [02:17] sounds great [02:17] http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/ fair few iso's there now eh? [02:20] indeed [02:28] DaveMorris: ping [02:29] Has a decision been made on the default desktop manager for the frontend? Like the way the normal MythTV install on feisty defaults to OpenBox [02:29] we're pretty confident on using openbox. why do you ask? [02:29] http://www.mypvr.co.nz [02:30] We are considering GPL ing all of our NZ specific stuff and additing it into Mythbuntu [02:30] Plus also supporting Mythdora [02:30] nice.. [02:30] What goodies do you have? [02:30] We currently use fluxbox, but I like the look of OpenBox [02:31] We can autoconfigure and update manage all of the NZ specific stuff - IR Blasters for SkyTV. Freeview + Sky + Terrestrial EPG feeds. MHEG-5 support for NZ freeview digital [02:32] I initially wanted fluxbox or ratpoision, but was quickly convinced [02:32] Plus leverage all of our testing [02:32] great! [02:32] How are you autoconfiguring IR blasters? [02:32] Yeah we are currently based on Knoppmyth + fluxbox but with an enhanced MythTV 0.20-fixes build [02:33] There are a couple of SkyTV specific IR codes, and then dpkg-reconfigure lets you perform the selection. [02:33] Plus a wrapper script to control the firing of the blaster that appears to work on all NZ STBs [02:33] Is that based on end user shell script or GTK chooser? [02:34] Normal dpkg configuration stuff - modifies lines in /etc/default/irblaster [02:34] Should work with gui or command line === Daviey has never had a need for irblaster.. not sure any of the other devs have either. So i think we'd value your goodies [02:35] We have also been backporting bit of MythTV trunk - There are quite a few DVB related niggles in 0.20-fixes that my customers have shown up. [02:35] OpenMediaSupport: so you've had a chance to try the alpha iso? [02:35] Not yet.. NZ Broadband is interestingly constrained :( [02:35] Plus dealing with some customer issues out of our trac queue. [02:36] OK. tbh we are gobsmacked how many people have downloaded the _ALPHA_ iso [02:36] I have a prototypr myPVR build based on Feisty, and only minor tweaks were required to port over our existing mypvr-* support packages [02:36] and we haven't had that many bug reports [02:36] so that's a positive thing [02:36] Also I manage mythtv.co.nz. Just working on a news release on Mythbuntu in the background. [02:37] OpenMediaSupport: that's great - but make sure you have a big fat warning that it is still alpha [02:37] Whats the best way (other than grabbing the ISO) to really get involved here. [02:37] - we didn't even expect it do get onto digg :s [02:37] :) [02:38] OpenMediaSupport: Hmm.. well all out source-code is on launchpad bazar branch [02:38] Not surprised. Got seriously slashdotted when we lauched myPVR 1.0. NZ sites aren't usually geared up for that level of hits [02:40] Yeah i'm on Launchpad. Need to play with bazar. [02:40] Well at one point our server was chucking out 80MB/s! Site pratically died [02:40] Nice.. [02:40] OpenMediaSupport: We'll have to have a chat with the other guys; not sure how we can implement country specific options at this stage [02:40] A lot of our testing will help all users, especially some of the additional backports from SVN trunk [02:40] But i think it's certainly something we would find useful to add. Do you have a download / repo we can take a look at? [02:40] Plus the IRBlaster framework could easily be extended. [02:44] I think the next big thing we want to add is lirc support out of box. Currently trying to work out how best to that. [02:44] OpenMediaSupport: Can i ask, how many mythboxes you sell in NZ? [02:44] Am i right in saying your UTC+12 ? [02:44] Yup At the moment. Where are youi? [02:45] UK [02:45] I'm UTC+1 - another is UTC-6 US [02:45] Communications can be fun :) [02:45] No worries i'm originally from Liverpool [02:46] Its great as we can leverage all of the UK and European DVB work as the DVB network is only just starting here. [02:46] pudlion eh? [02:46] I really like some of your cases [02:47] I've never seen the 180 before; who makes that? [02:47] NMedia. [02:47] The Asus M2NPV-VM boards rock. Feisty loves them :) [02:48] :) [02:48] We don't have DVB-T here yet - http://www.mypvr.co.nz/mypvr/myPVR%20FreeView.html, so we have to support DVB-S cards, Sky NZ STBs and analogue [02:48] If you can pop back in about 3-5 hours, 'superm1' would like to talk to you - i'm sure [02:49] I'll be here all day (off and on) [02:49] Anyway, i must go to bed. Nice speaking to you [02:50] Catch you round. [02:55] OpenMediaSupport, that's pretty nice. I've been considering setting up a similar enterprise here in America [02:56] OpenMediaSupport, what kind of remotes do you provide with myPVR? [03:00] We use standard Hauppauge MCE compatible remotes at present as they have really nice hot keys that we auto map to the correct functions [03:00] http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/27/59/ === jose [n=jose@pool-71-113-61-197.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:22] Excuse me - can anyone help me with getting video to display properly on nvidia tv-out? [05:33] What sort of nvidia card have you got, and what typ of TV-out do you want to use? [05:33] hmm [05:34] The card's an... 8800 GT, I think [05:34] And - well, the tv-out is S-video, NTSC [05:34] It's already working, I think [05:35] I can see a black screen, with my mouse cursor becoming a big X when it's over the TV desktop [05:35] But my problem lies in displaying much of anything on it [05:35] I mainly want to display video on it, figuring I could run Totem/Mplayer with a "-displa 1" parameter [05:35] But - no dice. [05:36] err - "-display = 1" [05:36] I mean [05:37] But yeah - any idea how to get it to play video? [05:41] So you are running dual head then? [05:41] Yes [05:42] Though I'm not running cinerama or anything [05:42] Just two separate desktops [05:42] With the secondary desktop being nothing more than a blank screen [05:43] So all I need is to be able to run a command from display 0 that runs totem/mplayer on display 1 [05:47] err [05:47] I should have probably stated "black screen" instead of "blank" [05:48] Since it IS working - it's just black, with no desktop or icons or anything. [05:54] export DISPLAY=:1.0 [05:54] mplayer videofile [05:56] hmm [05:56] doesn't work, I'm afraid [05:57] still displays nothing, save for my mouse cursor [05:57] Among its many error messages, mplayer displays: [05:58] [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid [05:58] open: No such file or directory [05:58] [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid [05:58] [VO_TDFXFB] Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory. [05:58] [VO_3DFX] Unable to open /dev/3dfx. [05:58] vo: couldn't open the X11 display (:1.0)! [05:58] vo: couldn't open the X11 display (:1.0)! === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:12] Daviey, did you push your commit? [06:30] Think he has gone to bed. [06:31] superm1 - Daviey said to talk to you about getting more involved. We have been producing a MythTV PVR here in nz - http://www.mypvr.co.nz [06:31] We can definately help with a lot of testing, plus we have a lot of experience with lirc and irblasters etc. [06:33] OpenMediaSupport, i'll speak in a few min. i'll brb [06:33] :) [06:33] Also put up a posting at http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/ [06:35] jose - Sorry I've never tried to debug that sort of dual head environment before. Is it started as a seperate X session? I'd expect it to be :1.0 [06:35] hmm [06:35] Any idea how I'd be able to tell? [06:35] oh riight [06:35] I'm assuming there is no window manager running? [06:35] 'cause I can't drag windows to and fro [06:36] Not on the TV, right [06:36] Ok [06:36] export DISPLAY=:1.0; xterm [06:36] xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1.0 [06:37] Hmmm. [06:37] ls -l /var/log/X* [06:38] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28239 2007-06-08 19:17 /var/log/Xorg.0.log [06:38] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28481 2007-06-08 19:15 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old [06:39] Ok so you are running a single X instance [06:39] hmm [06:39] export DISPLAY=:0.1; xterm [06:40] hmm [06:40] Just hangs there [06:40] Nothing on either screen then? [06:41] Ok on your main screen start nvidia-settings and see what it tells you about your layout [06:41] ok [06:42] odd [06:42] won't start.. [06:42] ah, there we go [06:42] wrong DISPLAY ;) [06:42] it tells me there's both an xscreen 0 and an xscreen 1 [06:43] Hmm so it should be :0.1 === OpenMediaSupport is now known as OpenMedia_Steve [06:44] hmm [06:44] running that command, though [06:45] it just... kinda hangs [06:45] which one nvidia-settings or xterm? [06:46] xterm [06:46] hi OpenMedia_Steve [06:46] so you guys are selling presold boxes I take it? [06:46] Pre loaded - fully configured and supported. [06:47] ah [06:47] Oh! [06:47] We were based off Knoppmyth originally, but I have a development build using Feisty [06:47] THAT'S why your nick sounds so familiar! [06:47] and how is it working for you thus far? [06:47] We have a support layer to do a lot of the configuration smarts for NZ. [06:48] Market here just isn't ready or big enough really. Feedback is excellent and good referals. We also have had good reviews off the local press. [06:48] very good. i've heard a lot of NZ stuff can be messy [06:48] There isn't an official or unofficial EPG source. [06:48] so how do you guys handle guide data then? [06:48] We take care of all of the channel setup, and can support Sky TV NZ STBs. [06:49] Guide data can be grabbed off a number of web sources as well as EIT data off DVB-S [06:49] unfortunately only a few days off EIT I imagine though [06:49] http://www.mypvr.co.nz [06:49] 7 Days of EIT, plus we have an MHEG-5 guide here in NZ with 8 days. [06:50] We worked on the MythTV and RedButton support for the NZ MHEG platform - see http://mythtv.co.nz for details [06:50] I can't say i'm familiar with MHEG5 [06:50] ill have to take a look here [06:50] Its also used in the UK on DVB-T [06:51] So at this point your considering adapting ubuntu install of knoppmyth then? [06:52] We need to update from what is effectively a sarge based build to get all of the newer video drivers [06:52] (which ubuntu provides newer drivers) [06:53] We currently use a 2.6.15 kernel so we are stuck with an older ivtv driver and only some DVB drivers can be easily backported. [06:53] Our normal hardware is either A8N-VM CSM or M2MPV-VM from Asus and they rock when running Feisty. [06:53] I can see for a commercial venture would require a very stable kernel release [06:55] Hmm... sorry to keep on bothering [06:55] I know a lot of homebrew users who consider switching to myPVR because of the features we have as standard that they still haven't gotten running. [06:55] Jose - No worries.. Running out of ideas. [06:55] but I was wondering - do you think my xterm setup is just not right? [06:55] export DISPLAY=:0.0; xterm [06:55] jose, do you have gdm setup to not prevent X forwarding? [06:56] you wouldnt be able to do that if X forwarding is disabled [06:56] interesting [06:56] Steve, that last commands opened a terminal on my first desktop [06:56] Ok so xterm is working then [06:56] superml: How do I tell? [06:56] well if that worked, no need to worry [06:57] ok [06:57] attempt, DISPLAY=:0.1 xterm [06:57] to launch on the second display [06:57] without export? [06:57] you dont necessarily need it [06:57] ok [06:57] if you prefix the command that way [06:58] hmm [06:58] just hangs, as well [06:58] what sort of dual head setup is this? [06:58] nvidia? [06:58] yeah [06:58] twinview? [06:58] or seperate x screens [06:58] separate [06:59] My TV output [06:59] displays little more than a black background [06:59] and mouse cursor [07:00] jose, can you post your xorg.conf in a pastebin [07:00] !pastebin [07:00] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [07:00] ok [07:00] I want to double check how you have things setup [07:00] Gotta drop out for a couple of minutes. Testing some Wake to record stuff [07:00] Ok OpenMedia_Steve we'll speak some more in a few [07:02] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24805/ [07:02] thanks for taking over, superml [07:02] And thanks, Steve, for helping so far [07:06] ok the xorg.conf looks fairly clean [07:06] what window manager are you using? [07:06] and your not using compiz [07:06] or beryl are you? [07:06] ha [07:06]