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xerosishow hard would bug #44778 be to fix?12:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 44778 in kdebase "kpager: 'Launch pager' seems to do nothing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4477812:16
fdovingxerosis: works for me.12:19
xerosisdo you have kpager installed?12:19
fdovingyes.12:19
xerosisdefault gutsy doesn't have kpager installed12:20
fdovingyeah, that's right, it doesn't use kdebase, like i always do.12:21
xerosisso it'd be nice to either grey it out, or remove it if it's not installed12:21
fdovingadd the package as a depend is the easiest.12:21
xerosisthat's out of my area...12:22
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giangyfdoving: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14660512:26
ubotuKDE bug 146605 in general "Kicker fails to add Icon= value on .desktop files" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 12:26
fdovingconfirmed.12:27
giangythanks12:29
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mhbfdoving: hi01:23
fdovingmhb: hi.01:23
mhbfdoving: the fix to bug 108870 will most likely be deprecated with gdebi-kde01:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10887001:25
fdovingmhb: when is that finished?01:25
mhbfdoving: if all goes well then at the end of this month.01:27
fdovinggood :)01:27
fdovingthe fixed scripts are there anyway. i did them long time ago.01:27
fdovingdidn't make it into feisty because ri.dell found the wrong bugreport, with the wrong fix, dupe of course.01:28
mhbheh, sorry to hear that. I wanted to let you know that you don't have to work on those anymore :o)01:28
fdovingfinshed, tested, and confirmed to work well :)01:29
fdovingmhb: will the gdebi-kde executable be named gdebi-kde? - 'kdebi' would be a nice alias/symlink/name.01:30
mhbfdoving: it's not set in stone, but there's the "gdebi" CLI, then the "gdebi-gtk" GNOME interface, so "gdebi-kde" seems natural01:32
fdovingyou know, all kde apps start with a k :)01:33
fdovingmost.. anyway. :)01:33
mhbI KNow01:34
fdovinggdebi depends on gnome-icon-theme01:34
fdovingis that neccessary for a cli thing?01:34
mhbfdoving: the "gdebi" package contains both the CLI and the GNOME frontend01:35
fdovingouch.01:35
fdovingso, what is gdebi-gtk for?01:35
fdovingah.01:36
fdovingnevermind.01:36
fdovinggdebi-core is /usr/bin/gdebi01:36
fdovinggdebi is /usr/bin/gdebi-gtk01:36
fdovingkdebi /usr/bin/kdebi01:36
fdoving:)01:36
mhbheh :o)01:36
fdovingwe could use gdebi already.01:38
fdovinginstead of dpkg in that script.01:39
fdovinginstall gdebi-core, it installs without fetching any depends on a clean gutsy.01:39
mhbyeah, we could...but now it is kind of pointless .o)01:41
fdovingin a month, yeah :)01:42
fdovingneed to add gdebi-core anyway, right?01:42
mhbI presume so01:42
mhbyes01:42
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fdovingouch, hardcoded paths.01:43
fdoving /home/martin/processing/soc/gdebi-kde/branch/gdebi-kde/gdebi-kde: :)01:44
mhbfdoving: someone's been checking code that's not supposed to work :o)01:45
fdovingwho, me? :)01:45
fdovingthe commit messages says it was able to install a package :)01:46
mhbfdoving: nothing about all stuff in PATH, though01:46
fdovingmhb: how does translations work in python?01:47
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mhbfdoving: it's gettext like everywhere else, you can say01:48
fdovingok.01:48
fdovingno i18n, like c++.01:48
mhbfdoving: hmm, no you got me01:49
mhbnow01:49
mhbfdoving: gettext works.01:50
fdovingok, i just noticed you didn't use tr() or i18n().01:50
fdovingi know powermanager uses tr() in python.01:51
mhbhmm, true01:51
mhbfdoving: thanks for the point. I think both are available, but I don't know the difference.01:51
fdovingand mvo doesn't use tr() in the rest of gdebi.01:52
RadiantFireI worked on a program in python and we used gettext _()01:54
RadiantFirenot sure what was up with that01:54
RadiantFirebut it worked01:54
fdovingi'm sure it works perfectly.01:54
fdovingi don't know python at all.01:55
RadiantFiregasp! you sin against the ubuntu gods!01:55
RadiantFire;-)01:55
fdovingubuntu.py 7.10 :)01:55
fdovingkubuntu.cpp 7.10 :)01:55
fdovingwell.. i need to go sleep a little.01:55
fdovingnite.01:55
RadiantFirenite01:56
fdovingmhb: keep up the good work, looks promising even though you had a hardcoded path in there, i found it :)01:56
mhbfdoving: yeah, I'm kicking those tiny evil gnomes out right now01:57
RadiantFirelaters mhb01:57
mhbRadiantFire: goodnight01:57
RadiantFiretime to go sleep on my ideas... or perhaps fold laundry on them01:58
RadiantFirebut that can be put off too :-)01:58
mhbRadiantFire: good luck with that :o)02:01
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Riddellmanchicken|away: I have been keeping my changes in your branch in KDE's subversion02:20
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jjessestupid question for kde 3.5.7 on feisty what do i have to differently?02:34
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Jucatojjesse: are you there?04:50
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nixternaloi oi04:58
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Hobbseefdoving: if you're going to milestone things, then either find someone who's going to fix them, and assign it as such, or fix it yourself, and assign it as such.08:49
Hobbseefdoving: please dont assign to kubuntu-team - it doesnt actually do anything.08:49
Hobbseefdoving: and i will hunt you when we get close to tribe 2, for the bugs you've marked as milestone, but havent fixed - either by delegation, or action.08:50
=== Hobbsee thought we installed kpager by deafult, actually
Hobbseeoh wait, we dont even install kdebase08:51
Hobbseefdoving: i'm also assuming that you'll do a full debdiff for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/108870 - i'll sponsor it for you, if you like08:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,In progress] 08:56
JucatoHobbsee: we have the desktop pager kicker applet. but not the standalone kpager app08:57
Jucatosigh... looks like I'll have to settle for CGI:IRC later.... :(08:58
HobbseeJucato: oh interesting.  i wonder why.08:59
Hobbseeokay, kubuntu-default-settings package looks simple08:59
nixternaloi oi09:01
nixternalrm -C from the aspell stuff where it is...I am guessing somewhere in k-d-s09:02
Hobbsee!codecs09:02
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:02
Hobbseenixternal: hrm?09:02
nixternalthere is a boog, where catdog is actually correctly spelled because we ship aspell with the -C flag09:03
nixternal-C meaning run-together is good09:03
Jucatowell, I'm off. see youz laterz :)09:05
Hobbseenixternal: poke09:09
nixternalyup09:09
Hobbseenixternal: the documentation is failing me here09:09
Hobbseenixternal: what packages do you need for all the restricted stuff?09:09
Hobbseelike, mp3, dvd, etc09:09
nixternalhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats09:10
nixternalthere is a lot09:10
Hobbseetell me which ones we still need - as thta's what i'm looking at09:10
nixternallibdvdread, libxine-extracodecs, liblame? ummmm09:10
HobbseeCurrently, the proposed apps to go into kubuntu-restricted-extras, are:09:10
Hobbsee*  libxine1-plugins (libxine1-ffmpeg replaces libxine-extracodecs, and is a dependancy of libxine1-plugins)09:10
Hobbsee*  flashplugin-nonfree09:10
Hobbsee*  sun-java6-plugin09:10
Hobbsee*  libdvdread309:10
Hobbseeliblame?09:10
nixternaldunno why libxine1-plugins would be needed...the libxine-extracodecs would..that gives you mp3 support09:11
Hobbseehow much is that used?09:11
Hobbseereplaced by libxine-ffmpeg, which is a dep of -plugins09:11
nixternalliblame is used for ripping mp3s09:11
nixternalahhh, so extracodecs are replaced...gotcha09:12
Hobbseedo you need lame, or liblame?09:12
Hobbseeoh ick09:12
nixternaldunno..I don't use either...I rip everything to ogg vorbis09:13
Hobbseesent to ML to ask for discussion09:13
=== Hobbsee wonders if shlib deps and such can be abused for kubuntu-restricted-extras
Hobbseei'd really prefer not to hardcode a deb on liblame0 :P09:15
fdovingHobbsee: for two of the bugs the solution is posted in comments, the third is 6 letters in debian/control, i can debdiff it or commit it to the kubuntu-default-settings bzr.09:15
Hobbseefdoving: either is good.09:15
Hobbseefdoving: bzr's better, come to think of it, i guess09:15
fdovingHobbsee: but, i'm not sure i will, as mhb is making gdebi-kde, which makes my hack obsolete.09:17
Hobbseefdoving: when will it be finished by?09:18
Hobbsee(we can always revert - although hacks can bring more bugs in)09:18
fdovingHobbsee: i won't do anything about kpager, that's 6 letters, doesn't qualify for a debdiff. could have commited it if kubuntu-meta was managed in bzr. but it's not.09:18
fdovingHobbsee: he said ~end of this month to me last night.09:18
Hobbseefdoving: it's seed based, anyway.09:18
Hobbseefdoving: okay, cool09:18
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Hobbseefdoving: seeds and such gets tricky - adn it is in bzr.09:19
Hobbsee(and you need to be in core to be able to commit to it)09:19
fdovingi know, i have them checkedout.09:19
fdovingHobbsee: but the seeds are just a list of packages, the depends will be auto-added. so, if you update kubuntu-desktop to depend on kpager, it'll be added to the cd without modifying the seeds.09:21
fdovingisn't it?09:21
Hobbseefrom what i understand, you've either got it around the wrong way, or you're trying to do something really crackful.09:21
Hobbseeyou modify the seeds, commit to bzr, run the update script from kubuntu-meta, and it autogenerates from there.09:22
fdovingyep.09:22
Hobbseenot the other way around09:22
Hobbseeso if you're suggesting just adding to the control file...09:24
Hobbseei more meant the other 2, with solutions posted in comments, but not a full debdiff / upload for it09:25
fdovingi'm suggesting it will be auto-added as a depend.09:25
Hobbseein fact, if you're in kubuntu-members, youshould be able to commit to k-d-s...09:25
fdovingi am.09:25
fdovingok, but i'll stop touching bugs. i really don't have time to finish everything, posting the solution should make it easy for others to debdiff->upload. if you don't want me to do it i'll do something else.09:26
fdovingi was thinking of milestoing as a way to show others this bug has a solution and should it should be included before release X.09:27
fdovingIf i did everything myself milestoning wasn't neccesary, i would know when i needed to upload it.09:28
Hobbseefdoving: sorry, i'm not griping at you for milestoning - my problem is that you've assigned them to kubuntu team, which doesnt actually do anything.09:30
Hobbseeit's fine to say "the patch is there, hobbsee, please find someone to take care of it" or wahtever09:30
Hobbseei see them with release engineering stuff nayway09:30
=== Hobbsee just doesnt want them to get lost thru the cracks :)
Hobbseeand i didnt want to duplicate, or get others to duplicate your work09:30
Hobbseefdoving: that was all09:30
=== Hobbsee is a little hesitant to touch seeds, as to what we want to randomly add, etc.
Hobbseefdoving: the bug stuff is cool - dont give it up :)09:32
fdovingi won't, you can make the debdiff if you like the solution :)09:32
Hobbseeit's like assigning to ubuntu bugs.  "ubuntu bugs will do this work"  "yes, but who is ubuntu bugs?"  "a team with a mailing list.  it's been proven that teams often dont do the work, it's usually an individual person that does"09:33
fdovingthen i can continue reading my Qt4 book.09:33
Hobbseehehe09:33
fdovingi know kubuntu-team doesn't do much work, but assigning to it puts it in a nice list in launchpad.09:33
fdovingnot assigned to joe random-reported that doesn't know what assigning means.09:34
Hobbseeyeah, that too.  twitch.09:34
Hobbsee:P09:34
Hobbseeerrr, flash-plugin is getting thrown out of ubuntu, isnt it?09:37
Hobbseeflashplugin-nonfree09:37
fdovingis it? - i have no clue.09:37
Hobbseethere was talk on kubuntu-users@ about it09:39
Hobbseeiirc09:39
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crimsunblink?09:47
Hobbseehi crimsun09:47
Hobbseecrimsun: as in, from a canonical employee.09:47
crimsunsorry, meaning a Canonical employee stated it?09:49
Hobbseecrimsun: hmm.  perhpas not.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-June/017541.html09:51
Hobbseeoh sorry, that's acroread09:51
Hobbseehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-June/017446.html09:51
Hobbseecrimsun: dont mind me.09:51
crimsunI'm a bit perplexed, though.10:13
crimsunI wonder if those items will be repackaged and placed in -commercial.10:13
crimsunIsn't this what CnR was supposed to offer?10:14
Hobbseeyou'd think so10:14
fdovingHobbsee: want to make a k-d-s upload if i commit the changes to fix #108870 ?10:29
Hobbseebug 10887010:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10887010:30
Hobbseesure10:30
fdovingHobbsee: commited.10:37
fdovingto https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu10:38
Hobbseecool10:43
Hobbseeoh woo.10:44
Hobbseei dont actually have the bzr tree downloaded10:44
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fdovingit's huge for some reason.10:46
fdovingas in ~22M for text files.10:47
fdoving.bzr history is 14M.10:47
Hobbseesheesh10:47
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Hobbseei wonder what on aerth is in there, if there's so much10:50
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fdovinghistory of the package, anything commited and later removed.11:24
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xerosisis there anywhere easy bugs to fix are listed?11:48
Hobbseeusually they're tagged with "bitesize"11:48
Hobbseebut people seem to fix them faster than tagging mroe of them"11:49
xerosismakes sense11:49
xerosisi'm just looking for some easy hacking as my coding is okay, but i'm not that familiar with qt11:51
Hobbseeahh, well fi you're looking for qt stuff to do, then that's not going to be in bitesize anyway11:54
xerosiswell, not neccessarily qt, just want to fix some bugs :)11:55
Hobbseehrm11:56
Hobbseewell, one asnwer is "find a metapackage of kde, look for something interesting to fix"11:56
xerosisthat is what i am doing :)11:57
mhbHobbsee: we should include the required plugins for k3b into k-r-e12:02
mhbHobbsee: the mp3 encoding ones12:02
Hobbseemhb: got a list of what they are?12:02
Hobbseeeither here or on hte ML12:02
mhbHobbsee: I'll post on the ML12:02
Hobbseecool12:03
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Arbydoes anyone know if there are known issues with grub following the latest (feisty) kernel update?02:32
ArbyI have 2.6.20-16 installed and it appears in menu.lst02:32
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Arbybut it doesn't appear as an option in grub menu at boot02:32
Arbyjust wondering if this is a bug or something wrong with my setup02:33
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Arbyrebooting, brb02:36
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Arby!patebin03:01
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Arby!pastebin03:01
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:01
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persiaIs there a Kubuntu equivalent to update-manager?  If so, what is it called?04:56
xerosispersia: adept_updater?04:57
persiaxerosis: Thanks a lot.04:58
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apacheloggerxerosis: is that thing still not using pythong and the ubuntu-update-manager backend?05:02
apacheloggers/pythong/python05:02
xerosisapachelogger: just thought the question was more superficial05:04
apacheloggerxerosis: :P05:05
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apacheloggeractually I consider learning python, just because of beloved kubuntu :)05:06
apachelogger<-- ruby nerd05:06
xerosisit's a nice langauge :)05:06
apacheloggerruby is nicer imo ;-)05:06
xerosislooked at ruby but didn't really have much use for it :p05:06
apacheloggerother way round for me05:06
apacheloggerbut hey, difference is not that big05:07
xerosiscoming from java, everything is a nice change...05:07
apachelogger^_^05:07
xerosisafaict, adept only used app-install, nothing from ubuntu-update05:08
RadiantFireyou don't live java?05:13
RadiantFireer, lik05:13
RadiantFiree05:13
xerosisi quite like it, just doing it for 2 solid years and hardly anything else melts your brain :p05:24
RadiantFirethis is true05:34
RadiantFirethe worst is randomly switching back and for between python and java now05:34
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jjessejucato were you looking for me?05:41
Arbyare there known problems with utf_8 encoding in feisty?05:43
ArbyI'm triaging bugs and have found several that traceback to ' File "encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode'05:43
Arbyfollowed by variations on UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 29-30: invalid data05:44
Arbybug 118576 is one example05:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118576 in adept "properties crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11857605:44
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JucatoTm_T: are you there? :(06:47
Arbydoes adept support displaying developer changelogs?06:47
Arbythe changelog tab under $package > details is blank06:48
JucatoArby: as of Feisty, yes06:48
ArbyJucato: seems to be broken for me06:48
Arbythe developer changelog tab is blank06:48
Arbyfor all packages it seems06:48
ArbyJucato: does it work for you?06:49
Jucatohm... it takes a bit of time to download the changelog06:49
Arbywell I've been waiting about 15-20 min so far06:49
ArbyI was trying to reproduce bug 11908906:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11908906:50
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rbrunhuberWhere should i report tribe 1 bugs?06:53
rbrunhuberI found 3 now.06:54
JucatoArby: I can't reliably reproduce it now because of my internet connection. I'll try when I get home06:55
ArbyJucato: OK thanks06:55
ArbyJucato: I tried running adept from terminal output is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25012/06:56
Arbyanything obviously wrong in that?06:56
Arbyrbrunhuber: just file them in launchpad as normal06:56
rbrunhuberok. I'll do06:57
Arbymaybe mark them [Gutsy tribe1]  'blah' or something06:57
Jucatorbrunhuber: you could also probably try asking in #ubuntu+106:57
Tm_TJucato: pong06:59
Tm_TI plugged my phone in, connected with kppp, apt-get dist-upgrade says: Fetched 44.7MB in 51s (868kB/s)07:00
rbrunhuberTm_T : I want a phone like this too :-).07:02
Tm_Twell, I noticed that there's no activity in kppp07:04
Tm_Tlooks like I have had adsl online from friday or earlier07:04
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Tm_TJucato: WHAAAAT!07:05
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Tm_Tthat was scary07:05
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Tm_Twhy I still have kppp active07:17
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marseillaihi09:21
marseillaia question! i've upgrade kima package with new upstream release. i have to send it to revu?09:22
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mhb209:32
mhb(sorry)09:32
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_StefanS_evening10:07
Arbyhi _StefanS_10:11
_StefanS_anything happening, or usual slow sunday ? :)10:11
Arbyusual slow sunday :)10:14
Arbybrief bits of noise interspersed with long periods of silence :)10:14
Arbyso I'm passing my time trying to squash bugs10:15
fdovingevening.10:23
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_StefanS_hi fdoving10:26
fdovinghi stefans.10:26
_StefanS_a fellow viking.10:27
fdovingyep :)10:28
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=== _StefanS_ wonders why tahoma was never a part of the msftcorefonts package, when verdana and all other are... ?
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fdoving_StefanS_: i guess it's special, i've switched to the liberation fonts by redhat.10:50
fdovingused to use tahoma for everything, as it rocks.10:50
Tm_Tyuk10:50
=== Tm_T uses DejaVu
_StefanS_fdoving: is the liberation thingys good?10:51
_StefanS_Tm_T: I think dejavu is too big and not very nice to look at10:51
fdoving_StefanS_: i'm not annoyed by them, so the answer must be yes.10:51
_StefanS_fdoving: got a .deb for 'em?10:51
Tm_T_StefanS_: too big?10:51
fdoving_StefanS_:  no, i just installed them to ~/.fonts/10:51
_StefanS_Tm_T: yes, the kerning is not really my liking, they are far too wide10:51
Tm_Toki10:52
_StefanS_a matter of taste really ;)10:52
Tm_TI mostly use monospace fonts10:52
_StefanS_like everything10:52
Tm_Tso...10:52
_StefanS_uhm ok10:52
fdoving_StefanS_: https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/10:52
_StefanS_thnx10:52
Tm_T_StefanS_: you know, I have ~20 terminal sessions open in my desktops10:53
_StefanS_Tm_T: ick, thats alot :)10:53
Tm_Tit's not10:53
fdovingluckily konsole can have tabs.10:53
_StefanS_Tm_T: I mean, I like terminals, but I have a habit of always closing them for each command almost, might be better to them sticking around10:53
fdovingi usually have 3, with a bunch of tabs.10:53
_StefanS_yes 3 is usually enough10:54
Tm_Tfdoving: I use tabs ofcourse10:54
_StefanS_ah cant wait to get my two new 200gb sata disks :D10:54
Tm_TI have, hmm, 6 Konsole open atm10:54
fdovingTm_T: do you count tabs?10:55
_StefanS_fdoving: do you need to include them in xorg.conf?10:56
_StefanS_fdoving: the fonts i mean10:56
fdoving_StefanS_: not at all, put them in ~/.fonts/ and run 'fc-cache -f'10:57
_StefanS_ok10:57
_StefanS_forgot about that fc-cache thingy ;)10:57
fdovingspoiled by GUIs :)10:57
_StefanS_probably :D10:57
_StefanS_you get lazy after a while hehe10:57
fdovingyeah, i've noticed that too.10:58
fdovinguse for loops for everything.10:58
Tm_Tfdoving: every tab is terminal session10:58
_StefanS_wow they're actually pretty nice10:59
_StefanS_fdoving: thanks for the tip, I think they're a good replacement actually11:00
_StefanS_brb11:00
fdovingtm_t: then i have 8. :)11:00
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_StefanS_back..11:02
_StefanS_the monospace is cool too I think11:02
fdoving_StefanS_: yes, i use that too.11:04
xerosisany macbook users?11:33
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mhbxerosis: oh yes12:10
mhbxerosis: here is one12:10
xerosismhb: works nice with kubuntu?12:10
danimodoes anyone know how why some of my partitions do not have entries in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?12:11
mhbxerosis: works rather nicely12:11
mhbxerosis: although there are several glitches I found12:12
mhbxerosis: minor ones, though12:12
xerosismhb: excellent, just bought one fairly spontaneously, figured i should check it worked alright12:12
xerosismhb: what are they?12:12
mhbxerosis: the wireless card is behaving weirdly sometimes (reconnecting once per 10 minutes), the brightness keys dont work, when you use the "mute" key it wont mute...12:13
xerosismhb: i can live with those12:14
xerosismhb: did you keep a mac os partition?12:14

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