[12:16] <xerosis> how hard would bug #44778 be to fix?
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44778 in kdebase "kpager: 'Launch pager' seems to do nothing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44778
[12:19] <fdoving> xerosis: works for me.
[12:19] <xerosis> do you have kpager installed?
[12:19] <fdoving> yes.
[12:20] <xerosis> default gutsy doesn't have kpager installed
[12:21] <fdoving> yeah, that's right, it doesn't use kdebase, like i always do.
[12:21] <xerosis> so it'd be nice to either grey it out, or remove it if it's not installed
[12:21] <fdoving> add the package as a depend is the easiest.
[12:22] <xerosis> that's out of my area...
[12:26] <giangy> fdoving: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146605
[12:26] <ubotu> KDE bug 146605 in general "Kicker fails to add Icon= value on .desktop files" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[12:27] <fdoving> confirmed.
[12:29] <giangy> thanks
[01:23] <mhb> fdoving: hi
[01:23] <fdoving> mhb: hi.
[01:25] <mhb> fdoving: the fix to bug 108870 will most likely be deprecated with gdebi-kde
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870
[01:25] <fdoving> mhb: when is that finished?
[01:27] <mhb> fdoving: if all goes well then at the end of this month.
[01:27] <fdoving> good :)
[01:27] <fdoving> the fixed scripts are there anyway. i did them long time ago.
[01:28] <fdoving> didn't make it into feisty because ri.dell found the wrong bugreport, with the wrong fix, dupe of course.
[01:28] <mhb> heh, sorry to hear that. I wanted to let you know that you don't have to work on those anymore :o)
[01:29] <fdoving> finshed, tested, and confirmed to work well :)
[01:30] <fdoving> mhb: will the gdebi-kde executable be named gdebi-kde? - 'kdebi' would be a nice alias/symlink/name.
[01:32] <mhb> fdoving: it's not set in stone, but there's the "gdebi" CLI, then the "gdebi-gtk" GNOME interface, so "gdebi-kde" seems natural
[01:33] <fdoving> you know, all kde apps start with a k :)
[01:33] <fdoving> most.. anyway. :)
[01:34] <mhb> I KNow
[01:34] <fdoving> gdebi depends on gnome-icon-theme
[01:34] <fdoving> is that neccessary for a cli thing?
[01:35] <mhb> fdoving: the "gdebi" package contains both the CLI and the GNOME frontend
[01:35] <fdoving> ouch.
[01:35] <fdoving> so, what is gdebi-gtk for?
[01:36] <fdoving> ah.
[01:36] <fdoving> nevermind.
[01:36] <fdoving> gdebi-core is /usr/bin/gdebi
[01:36] <fdoving> gdebi is /usr/bin/gdebi-gtk
[01:36] <fdoving> kdebi /usr/bin/kdebi
[01:36] <fdoving> :)
[01:36] <mhb> heh :o)
[01:38] <fdoving> we could use gdebi already.
[01:39] <fdoving> instead of dpkg in that script.
[01:39] <fdoving> install gdebi-core, it installs without fetching any depends on a clean gutsy.
[01:41] <mhb> yeah, we could...but now it is kind of pointless .o)
[01:42] <fdoving> in a month, yeah :)
[01:42] <fdoving> need to add gdebi-core anyway, right?
[01:42] <mhb> I presume so
[01:42] <mhb> yes
[01:43] <fdoving> ouch, hardcoded paths.
[01:44] <fdoving>  /home/martin/processing/soc/gdebi-kde/branch/gdebi-kde/gdebi-kde: :)
[01:45] <mhb> fdoving: someone's been checking code that's not supposed to work :o)
[01:45] <fdoving> who, me? :)
[01:46] <fdoving> the commit messages says it was able to install a package :)
[01:46] <mhb> fdoving: nothing about all stuff in PATH, though
[01:47] <fdoving> mhb: how does translations work in python?
[01:48] <mhb> fdoving: it's gettext like everywhere else, you can say
[01:48] <fdoving> ok.
[01:48] <fdoving> no i18n, like c++.
[01:49] <mhb> fdoving: hmm, no you got me
[01:49] <mhb> now
[01:50] <mhb> fdoving: gettext works.
[01:50] <fdoving> ok, i just noticed you didn't use tr() or i18n().
[01:51] <fdoving> i know powermanager uses tr() in python.
[01:51] <mhb> hmm, true
[01:51] <mhb> fdoving: thanks for the point. I think both are available, but I don't know the difference.
[01:52] <fdoving> and mvo doesn't use tr() in the rest of gdebi.
[01:54] <RadiantFire> I worked on a program in python and we used gettext _()
[01:54] <RadiantFire> not sure what was up with that
[01:54] <RadiantFire> but it worked
[01:54] <fdoving> i'm sure it works perfectly.
[01:55] <fdoving> i don't know python at all.
[01:55] <RadiantFire> gasp! you sin against the ubuntu gods!
[01:55] <RadiantFire> ;-)
[01:55] <fdoving> ubuntu.py 7.10 :)
[01:55] <fdoving> kubuntu.cpp 7.10 :)
[01:55] <fdoving> well.. i need to go sleep a little.
[01:55] <fdoving> nite.
[01:56] <RadiantFire> nite
[01:56] <fdoving> mhb: keep up the good work, looks promising even though you had a hardcoded path in there, i found it :)
[01:57] <mhb> fdoving: yeah, I'm kicking those tiny evil gnomes out right now
[01:57] <RadiantFire> laters mhb
[01:57] <mhb> RadiantFire: goodnight
[01:58] <RadiantFire> time to go sleep on my ideas... or perhaps fold laundry on them
[01:58] <RadiantFire> but that can be put off too :-)
[02:01] <mhb> RadiantFire: good luck with that :o)
[02:20] <Riddell> manchicken|away: I have been keeping my changes in your branch in KDE's subversion
[02:34] <jjesse> stupid question for kde 3.5.7 on feisty what do i have to differently?
[04:50] <Jucato> jjesse: are you there?
[04:58] <nixternal> oi oi
[08:49] <Hobbsee> fdoving: if you're going to milestone things, then either find someone who's going to fix them, and assign it as such, or fix it yourself, and assign it as such.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> fdoving: please dont assign to kubuntu-team - it doesnt actually do anything.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> fdoving: and i will hunt you when we get close to tribe 2, for the bugs you've marked as milestone, but havent fixed - either by delegation, or action.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> oh wait, we dont even install kdebase
[08:56] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i'm also assuming that you'll do a full debdiff for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/108870 - i'll sponsor it for you, if you like
[08:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,In progress] 
[08:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: we have the desktop pager kicker applet. but not the standalone kpager app
[08:58] <Jucato> sigh... looks like I'll have to settle for CGI:IRC later.... :(
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh interesting.  i wonder why.
[08:59] <Hobbsee> okay, kubuntu-default-settings package looks simple
[09:01] <nixternal> oi oi
[09:02] <nixternal> rm -C from the aspell stuff where it is...I am guessing somewhere in k-d-s
[09:02] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[09:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?
[09:03] <nixternal> there is a boog, where catdog is actually correctly spelled because we ship aspell with the -C flag
[09:03] <nixternal> -C meaning run-together is good
[09:05] <Jucato> well, I'm off. see youz laterz :)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poke
[09:09] <nixternal> yup
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the documentation is failing me here
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what packages do you need for all the restricted stuff?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> like, mp3, dvd, etc
[09:10] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:10] <nixternal> there is a lot
[09:10] <Hobbsee> tell me which ones we still need - as thta's what i'm looking at
[09:10] <nixternal> libdvdread, libxine-extracodecs, liblame? ummmm
[09:10] <Hobbsee> Currently, the proposed apps to go into kubuntu-restricted-extras, are:
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  libxine1-plugins (libxine1-ffmpeg replaces libxine-extracodecs, and is a dependancy of libxine1-plugins)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  flashplugin-nonfree
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  sun-java6-plugin
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  libdvdread3
[09:10] <Hobbsee> liblame?
[09:11] <nixternal> dunno why libxine1-plugins would be needed...the libxine-extracodecs would..that gives you mp3 support
[09:11] <Hobbsee> how much is that used?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> replaced by libxine-ffmpeg, which is a dep of -plugins
[09:11] <nixternal> liblame is used for ripping mp3s
[09:12] <nixternal> ahhh, so extracodecs are replaced...gotcha
[09:12] <Hobbsee> do you need lame, or liblame?
[09:12] <Hobbsee> oh ick
[09:13] <nixternal> dunno..I don't use either...I rip everything to ogg vorbis
[09:13] <Hobbsee> sent to ML to ask for discussion
[09:15] <Hobbsee> i'd really prefer not to hardcode a deb on liblame0 :P
[09:15] <fdoving> Hobbsee: for two of the bugs the solution is posted in comments, the third is 6 letters in debian/control, i can debdiff it or commit it to the kubuntu-default-settings bzr.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> fdoving: either is good.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> fdoving: bzr's better, come to think of it, i guess
[09:17] <fdoving> Hobbsee: but, i'm not sure i will, as mhb is making gdebi-kde, which makes my hack obsolete.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: when will it be finished by?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> (we can always revert - although hacks can bring more bugs in)
[09:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i won't do anything about kpager, that's 6 letters, doesn't qualify for a debdiff. could have commited it if kubuntu-meta was managed in bzr. but it's not.
[09:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: he said ~end of this month to me last night.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: it's seed based, anyway.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: okay, cool
[09:19] <Hobbsee> fdoving: seeds and such gets tricky - adn it is in bzr.
[09:19] <Hobbsee> (and you need to be in core to be able to commit to it)
[09:19] <fdoving> i know, i have them checkedout.
[09:21] <fdoving> Hobbsee: but the seeds are just a list of packages, the depends will be auto-added. so, if you update kubuntu-desktop to depend on kpager, it'll be added to the cd without modifying the seeds.
[09:21] <fdoving> isn't it?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> from what i understand, you've either got it around the wrong way, or you're trying to do something really crackful.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> you modify the seeds, commit to bzr, run the update script from kubuntu-meta, and it autogenerates from there.
[09:22] <fdoving> yep.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> not the other way around
[09:24] <Hobbsee> so if you're suggesting just adding to the control file...
[09:25] <Hobbsee> i more meant the other 2, with solutions posted in comments, but not a full debdiff / upload for it
[09:25] <fdoving> i'm suggesting it will be auto-added as a depend.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> in fact, if you're in kubuntu-members, youshould be able to commit to k-d-s...
[09:25] <fdoving> i am.
[09:26] <fdoving> ok, but i'll stop touching bugs. i really don't have time to finish everything, posting the solution should make it easy for others to debdiff->upload. if you don't want me to do it i'll do something else.
[09:27] <fdoving> i was thinking of milestoing as a way to show others this bug has a solution and should it should be included before release X.
[09:28] <fdoving> If i did everything myself milestoning wasn't neccesary, i would know when i needed to upload it.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: sorry, i'm not griping at you for milestoning - my problem is that you've assigned them to kubuntu team, which doesnt actually do anything.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> it's fine to say "the patch is there, hobbsee, please find someone to take care of it" or wahtever
[09:30] <Hobbsee> i see them with release engineering stuff nayway
[09:30] <Hobbsee> and i didnt want to duplicate, or get others to duplicate your work
[09:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that was all
[09:32] <Hobbsee> fdoving: the bug stuff is cool - dont give it up :)
[09:32] <fdoving> i won't, you can make the debdiff if you like the solution :)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> it's like assigning to ubuntu bugs.  "ubuntu bugs will do this work"  "yes, but who is ubuntu bugs?"  "a team with a mailing list.  it's been proven that teams often dont do the work, it's usually an individual person that does"
[09:33] <fdoving> then i can continue reading my Qt4 book.
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:33] <fdoving> i know kubuntu-team doesn't do much work, but assigning to it puts it in a nice list in launchpad.
[09:34] <fdoving> not assigned to joe random-reported that doesn't know what assigning means.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, that too.  twitch.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:37] <Hobbsee> errr, flash-plugin is getting thrown out of ubuntu, isnt it?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> flashplugin-nonfree
[09:37] <fdoving> is it? - i have no clue.
[09:39] <Hobbsee> there was talk on kubuntu-users@ about it
[09:39] <Hobbsee> iirc
[09:47] <crimsun> blink?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun
[09:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: as in, from a canonical employee.
[09:49] <crimsun> sorry, meaning a Canonical employee stated it?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hmm.  perhpas not.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-June/017541.html
[09:51] <Hobbsee> oh sorry, that's acroread
[09:51] <Hobbsee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-June/017446.html
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: dont mind me.
[10:13] <crimsun> I'm a bit perplexed, though.
[10:13] <crimsun> I wonder if those items will be repackaged and placed in -commercial.
[10:14] <crimsun> Isn't this what CnR was supposed to offer?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> you'd think so
[10:29] <fdoving> Hobbsee: want to make a k-d-s upload if i commit the changes to fix #108870 ?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> bug 108870
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870
[10:30] <Hobbsee> sure
[10:37] <fdoving> Hobbsee: commited.
[10:38] <fdoving> to https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[10:43] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:44] <Hobbsee> oh woo.
[10:44] <Hobbsee> i dont actually have the bzr tree downloaded
[10:46] <fdoving> it's huge for some reason.
[10:47] <fdoving> as in ~22M for text files.
[10:47] <fdoving> .bzr history is 14M.
[10:47] <Hobbsee> sheesh
[10:50] <Hobbsee> i wonder what on aerth is in there, if there's so much
[11:24] <fdoving> history of the package, anything commited and later removed.
[11:48] <xerosis> is there anywhere easy bugs to fix are listed?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> usually they're tagged with "bitesize"
[11:49] <Hobbsee> but people seem to fix them faster than tagging mroe of them"
[11:49] <xerosis> makes sense
[11:51] <xerosis> i'm just looking for some easy hacking as my coding is okay, but i'm not that familiar with qt
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahh, well fi you're looking for qt stuff to do, then that's not going to be in bitesize anyway
[11:55] <xerosis> well, not neccessarily qt, just want to fix some bugs :)
[11:56] <Hobbsee> hrm
[11:56] <Hobbsee> well, one asnwer is "find a metapackage of kde, look for something interesting to fix"
[11:57] <xerosis> that is what i am doing :)
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: we should include the required plugins for k3b into k-r-e
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: the mp3 encoding ones
[12:02] <Hobbsee> mhb: got a list of what they are?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> either here or on hte ML
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll post on the ML
[12:03] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:32] <Arby> does anyone know if there are known issues with grub following the latest (feisty) kernel update?
[02:32] <Arby> I have 2.6.20-16 installed and it appears in menu.lst
[02:32] <Arby> but it doesn't appear as an option in grub menu at boot
[02:33] <Arby> just wondering if this is a bug or something wrong with my setup
[02:36] <Arby> rebooting, brb
[03:01] <Arby> !patebin
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <Arby> !pastebin
[03:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:56] <persia> Is there a Kubuntu equivalent to update-manager?  If so, what is it called?
[04:57] <xerosis> persia: adept_updater?
[04:58] <persia> xerosis: Thanks a lot.
[05:02] <apachelogger> xerosis: is that thing still not using pythong and the ubuntu-update-manager backend?
[05:02] <apachelogger> s/pythong/python
[05:04] <xerosis> apachelogger: just thought the question was more superficial
[05:05] <apachelogger> xerosis: :P
[05:06] <apachelogger> actually I consider learning python, just because of beloved kubuntu :)
[05:06] <apachelogger> <-- ruby nerd
[05:06] <xerosis> it's a nice langauge :)
[05:06] <apachelogger> ruby is nicer imo ;-)
[05:06] <xerosis> looked at ruby but didn't really have much use for it :p
[05:06] <apachelogger> other way round for me
[05:07] <apachelogger> but hey, difference is not that big
[05:07] <xerosis> coming from java, everything is a nice change...
[05:07] <apachelogger> ^_^
[05:08] <xerosis> afaict, adept only used app-install, nothing from ubuntu-update
[05:13] <RadiantFire> you don't live java?
[05:13] <RadiantFire> er, lik
[05:13] <RadiantFire> e
[05:24] <xerosis> i quite like it, just doing it for 2 solid years and hardly anything else melts your brain :p
[05:34] <RadiantFire> this is true
[05:34] <RadiantFire> the worst is randomly switching back and for between python and java now
[05:41] <jjesse> jucato were you looking for me?
[05:43] <Arby> are there known problems with utf_8 encoding in feisty?
[05:43] <Arby> I'm triaging bugs and have found several that traceback to ' File "encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode'
[05:44] <Arby> followed by variations on UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 29-30: invalid data
[05:44] <Arby> bug 118576 is one example
[05:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118576 in adept "properties crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118576
[06:47] <Jucato> Tm_T: are you there? :(
[06:47] <Arby> does adept support displaying developer changelogs?
[06:48] <Arby> the changelog tab under $package > details is blank
[06:48] <Jucato> Arby: as of Feisty, yes
[06:48] <Arby> Jucato: seems to be broken for me
[06:48] <Arby> the developer changelog tab is blank
[06:48] <Arby> for all packages it seems
[06:49] <Arby> Jucato: does it work for you?
[06:49] <Jucato> hm... it takes a bit of time to download the changelog
[06:49] <Arby> well I've been waiting about 15-20 min so far
[06:50] <Arby> I was trying to reproduce bug 119089
[06:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[06:53] <rbrunhuber> Where should i report tribe 1 bugs?
[06:54] <rbrunhuber> I found 3 now.
[06:55] <Jucato> Arby: I can't reliably reproduce it now because of my internet connection. I'll try when I get home
[06:55] <Arby> Jucato: OK thanks
[06:56] <Arby> Jucato: I tried running adept from terminal output is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25012/
[06:56] <Arby> anything obviously wrong in that?
[06:56] <Arby> rbrunhuber: just file them in launchpad as normal
[06:57] <rbrunhuber> ok. I'll do
[06:57] <Arby> maybe mark them [Gutsy tribe1]  'blah' or something
[06:57] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: you could also probably try asking in #ubuntu+1
[06:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: pong
[07:00] <Tm_T> I plugged my phone in, connected with kppp, apt-get dist-upgrade says: Fetched 44.7MB in 51s (868kB/s)
[07:02] <rbrunhuber> Tm_T : I want a phone like this too :-).
[07:04] <Tm_T> well, I noticed that there's no activity in kppp
[07:04] <Tm_T> looks like I have had adsl online from friday or earlier
[07:05] <Tm_T> Jucato: WHAAAAT!
[07:05] <Tm_T> that was scary
[07:17] <Tm_T> why I still have kppp active
[09:21] <marseillai> hi
[09:22] <marseillai> a question! i've upgrade kima package with new upstream release. i have to send it to revu?
[09:32] <mhb> 2
[09:32] <mhb> (sorry)
[10:07] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:11] <Arby> hi _StefanS_
[10:11] <_StefanS_> anything happening, or usual slow sunday ? :)
[10:14] <Arby> usual slow sunday :)
[10:14] <Arby> brief bits of noise interspersed with long periods of silence :)
[10:15] <Arby> so I'm passing my time trying to squash bugs
[10:23] <fdoving> evening.
[10:26] <_StefanS_> hi fdoving
[10:26] <fdoving> hi stefans.
[10:27] <_StefanS_> a fellow viking.
[10:28] <fdoving> yep :)
[10:50] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i guess it's special, i've switched to the liberation fonts by redhat.
[10:50] <fdoving> used to use tahoma for everything, as it rocks.
[10:50] <Tm_T> yuk
[10:51] <_StefanS_> fdoving: is the liberation thingys good?
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: I think dejavu is too big and not very nice to look at
[10:51] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i'm not annoyed by them, so the answer must be yes.
[10:51] <_StefanS_> fdoving: got a .deb for 'em?
[10:51] <Tm_T> _StefanS_: too big?
[10:51] <fdoving> _StefanS_:  no, i just installed them to ~/.fonts/
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: yes, the kerning is not really my liking, they are far too wide
[10:52] <Tm_T> oki
[10:52] <_StefanS_> a matter of taste really ;)
[10:52] <Tm_T> I mostly use monospace fonts
[10:52] <_StefanS_> like everything
[10:52] <Tm_T> so...
[10:52] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[10:52] <fdoving> _StefanS_: https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/
[10:52] <_StefanS_> thnx
[10:53] <Tm_T> _StefanS_: you know, I have ~20 terminal sessions open in my desktops
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: ick, thats alot :)
[10:53] <Tm_T> it's not
[10:53] <fdoving> luckily konsole can have tabs.
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: I mean, I like terminals, but I have a habit of always closing them for each command almost, might be better to them sticking around
[10:53] <fdoving> i usually have 3, with a bunch of tabs.
[10:54] <_StefanS_> yes 3 is usually enough
[10:54] <Tm_T> fdoving: I use tabs ofcourse
[10:54] <_StefanS_> ah cant wait to get my two new 200gb sata disks :D
[10:54] <Tm_T> I have, hmm, 6 Konsole open atm
[10:55] <fdoving> Tm_T: do you count tabs?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> fdoving: do you need to include them in xorg.conf?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> fdoving: the fonts i mean
[10:57] <fdoving> _StefanS_: not at all, put them in ~/.fonts/ and run 'fc-cache -f'
[10:57] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:57] <_StefanS_> forgot about that fc-cache thingy ;)
[10:57] <fdoving> spoiled by GUIs :)
[10:57] <_StefanS_> probably :D
[10:57] <_StefanS_> you get lazy after a while hehe
[10:58] <fdoving> yeah, i've noticed that too.
[10:58] <fdoving> use for loops for everything.
[10:58] <Tm_T> fdoving: every tab is terminal session
[10:59] <_StefanS_> wow they're actually pretty nice
[11:00] <_StefanS_> fdoving: thanks for the tip, I think they're a good replacement actually
[11:00] <_StefanS_> brb
[11:00] <fdoving> tm_t: then i have 8. :)
[11:02] <_StefanS_> back..
[11:02] <_StefanS_> the monospace is cool too I think
[11:04] <fdoving> _StefanS_: yes, i use that too.
[11:33] <xerosis> any macbook users?
[12:10] <mhb> xerosis: oh yes
[12:10] <mhb> xerosis: here is one
[12:10] <xerosis> mhb: works nice with kubuntu?
[12:11] <danimo> does anyone know how why some of my partitions do not have entries in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?
[12:11] <mhb> xerosis: works rather nicely
[12:12] <mhb> xerosis: although there are several glitches I found
[12:12] <mhb> xerosis: minor ones, though
[12:12] <xerosis> mhb: excellent, just bought one fairly spontaneously, figured i should check it worked alright
[12:12] <xerosis> mhb: what are they?
[12:13] <mhb> xerosis: the wireless card is behaving weirdly sometimes (reconnecting once per 10 minutes), the brightness keys dont work, when you use the "mute" key it wont mute...
[12:14] <xerosis> mhb: i can live with those
[12:14] <xerosis> mhb: did you keep a mac os partition?