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DanaGdebconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog01:13
DanaGdebconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)01:13
DanaGdebconf: falling back to frontend: Readline01:13
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DanaGWTF? Amarok just slaughtered my keyboard.03:10
DanaGOr rather, grabbed it, locked up, and refused to let go.03:10
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/8603103:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86031 in amarok "amarok has large delay on play/pause when using pulseaudio/xine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 03:18
DanaGaah, I should verify that.03:18
DanaGArgh, something is slaughtering my CPU again.03:18
DanaGOh yay, somehow Amarok or Pulseaudio is killing Beryl.03:19
DanaGhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37167403:27
DanaGtime --help03:29
DanaGUsage: command-not-found [options]  <command-name>03:29
DanaGbash: --help: command not found03:29
DanaGIs it normal for gnome-system-monitor to take 10% CPU?03:31
DanaGAnd Beryl, 19% -- that's definitely not normal.03:32
DanaGOh, I see, for some reason, apparently my GPU is in 2D mode.03:33
DanaGNow gnome-system-monitor is using 40%!03:33
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DanaGX: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)03:47
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DanaGGtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -15 and height 2403:52
DanaGBut it doesn't say WHAT widget!03:52
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pwnguinis there a way to get update-manager to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?04:20
pwnguinor should i just edit sources.list and give apt-get/aptitude a whirl?04:20
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DanaGupdate-manager -c -d04:27
DanaGconsider dist upgrade, and use development version, respectively/04:27
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pwnguinseems at the moment it's broken04:34
pwnguinor at least, dbus was =/04:42
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DanaGhmm, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html06:47
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DanaGI installed the newest NVIDIA driver, but I haven't noticed any great changes.07:26
DanaGHmm, looks like I need to test hotkey switching...07:26
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DanaGWoaah, it looks like it may work!07:27
DanaGJust not with clone, perhaps.07:27
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DanaGhttp://www.codecomments.com/archive286-2005-3-412358.html08:10
DanaGtcsetpgrp seems to give me nothing but ENOTTY.08:10
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DanaGOdd, sometimes on Ubuntu, my system wouldn't make things segfault, and then I'd move them to a Solaris box and they _would_ segfault.08:44
DanaGOf course, once it segfaulted, I found my errors in my code, but why did it NOT fail on my Linux system?08:45
crimsunthat's much too vague of a question to even begin to answer.08:46
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DanaGMy question is why faulty code (such as reaching beyond the end of an array) would work on my local system but not on the Solaris system.  The other system is a many-user system with a huge amount of RAM, so that's one factor -- more "detritus" in memory.08:49
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DanaGNow I just use gnome-vfs to edit locally and compile and run remotely.08:53
DanaG...and live with 'pgup' and 'pgdn' (and arrows) in 'less' and 'man' just beeping ineffectually over SSH.08:54
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=== DanaG thanks whoever makes gnome-vfs possible.
DanaGAnd the equivalent kioslaves, and whatever the future plans for convergence, if any, are.09:21
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_4strOyop yop12:21
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coNPcan someone confirm if gnome-art is running on up-to-date gutsy?01:29
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hwildeanybody else have software crash at 7:35am sunday morning only?02:28
johnnybuoywtf!02:29
johnnybuoyevery sunday morning @ 7:35?02:29
johnnybuoyhwilde?02:29
borschtymaybe a cronjob running wild02:30
hwildeyeah every sunday 7:3502:30
johnnybuoyyeah, it would be very strange otherwise02:30
hwildecoincides with cron.daily execuation in /var/log/syslog02:30
hwildebut why only on sunday if it is daily02:30
borschtymaybe weekly02:30
johnnybuoysome script has something sor sunday02:30
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johnnybuoyfor*02:30
hwildecommented out cron.weekly in /etc/crontab so it doesn't run anymore02:31
hwildeif this is the entry in /etc/crontab:02:31
hwilde25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily02:31
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hwildewhy does it launch anacron at 7:30 and cron.daily at 7:35?02:32
hwildeJun 10 07:30:02 localhost anacron[15610] : Will run job `cron.daily' in 5 min.02:32
hwildeJun 10 07:35:01 localhost anacron[15610] : Job `cron.daily' started02:32
hwildeshouldn't it run at 6:25 like /etc/crontab specifies?02:32
borschtymaybe utc?02:32
hwildeyeah maybe... but utc says it's like 12:3002:33
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hwildebut still... let's say it is related to cron.daily execution.  why would it only happen on sundays and not every day02:34
hwildewhat is different about cron.daily on sunday02:34
borschtyyou could check the scripts if one of them does something specific on sundays02:35
hwildethey seem generic to me.  nothing about times or dates.  it looks like thye should do the same thing everyday02:35
borschtyor maybe some stuff installed as user some time ago you already forgot about?02:35
johnnybuoygrep -i sun* /etc/cron.daily doesn't give any relevant results02:36
johnnybuoytho it might be imported from somewhere else..02:36
hwildethere is nothing installed by phantom users... same image across multiple machines does the same thing02:36
hwildewhy does the end of /var/log/syslog.0  say  Jun 10 07:35:11 localhost exiting on signal 1502:38
hwildethen the logs are rotated02:38
johnnybuoymaybe reboot?02:38
hwildebut this happens everyday as far as I can tell02:38
hwildenope the systems stay up and online - software just crashes02:39
hwildeuptime 25 days02:39
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johnnybuoyah02:40
borschtywhich software crashes?02:41
hwildetclsh02:41
borschtyjust that?02:42
hwildewell, multiple tclsh's02:42
borschtywhat are you using them for?02:42
hwildeone is playing sounds, one is taking snapshots from a webcam, one is doing file i/o... lots of stuff02:43
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hwildesome of the machines survive, but ~40% crash02:44
borschtymaybe some ntp time adjustments that tcl has problems with? (wild guessing)02:44
hwildeI uninstalled ntp services :)02:45
hwildethat one produces an error message about the wait timeouts that is very understandable02:45
hwildethis sunday morning thing creates no log messages - everything just stops02:45
hwildenot even a core file and I have ulimit unlimited02:46
borschtymaybe it is some religious do-not-work-on-sunday-stuff ;)02:47
hwildelol02:47
hwildethat is why i dubbed it project church02:47
hwildegod is smiting the software - it should repent02:47
borschtyand error codes represent the number of rosaries ;)02:49
coNPcan someone confirm if gnome-art (universe) is running properly?02:50
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hwildeis there some global system logging level that I can turn up to see what is happening02:53
borschtymaybe you could strace tclsh, but if this going to run for a week you will need a lot of space02:55
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hwildeborschty, I can replicate on demand by setting system clock to next sunday 7:29am and waiting 5 minutes.03:30
hwildeso strace wouldn't grow too big03:30
hwildewhat is exiting with signal 15 tho in /var/log/syslog.003:32
hwildeJun 10 07:35:12 localhost exiting on signal 1503:32
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BrakkvatnIs it worth upgrading to gutsy if I need just one of the libraries in there? guichan v6.0 instead of v4.005:49
qidI just upgraded to 7.10 and I'm getting the error message "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"05:50
qidI looked into that a bit and every thread on it says to check inittab05:50
qidso I booted into a livecd, and inittab is missing05:50
BrakkvatnOkay I think I'll pass. Thanks :P05:51
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qidIs there somewhere I can get a copy of inittab that should work with ubuntu?05:51
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gnomefreakqid: your not missing init* its there you need to file a bug but first i would check md5sum of the downloaded ISO and burn slowest speed possible05:54
qidI didn't download an ISO, I used the updater05:54
qidAnd it's not there. I checked.05:55
gnomefreakqid: than you are not missing it05:55
qidI booted into a livecd, mounted the root partition, /etc/inittab does not exist05:55
qidwell, /mnt/etc/inittab from the livecd05:55
gnomefreakqid: its part of initscripts05:56
gnomefreakif there in feisty its there in gutsy05:56
qidlook, I'm telling you what happened05:57
qidI don't know how it happened, or why; the install seemed to go smoothly05:57
gnomefreakqid: and its messed up but it is there. take my word for it or do a search on the main package not a single script05:57
qidIT. IS. NOT. THERE.05:57
gnomefreakqid: ok sure its not there. run sudo update-initramfs -u once you get to boot in safe mode thean tell me if its not htere05:58
qidI can take pictures of the directory listing with a digital camera and show them to you05:58
gnomefreak/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/inittab_disablectrlaltdelconsole05:59
gnomefreak/usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl05:59
gnomefreaksearch those05:59
gnomefreaksecond one most likely05:59
gnomefreakqid: since its part of upstart did you look in upstart dir?05:59
gnomefreaknotice the exact name05:59
qidit's booting into recovery mode now, just a second06:00
gnomefreakonce again its there its just messed up file a bug report06:00
gnomefreakqid: not the first time this has happened06:00
gnomefreakhint locate inittab06:00
qidI couldn't run locate from a livecd06:01
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gnomefreakqid: you didnt mount properly than or you didnt chroot into your install06:01
gnomefreaklocate cant run on livecd since nothing goes to hdd06:01
qidexactly06:02
gnomefreakunless you tell it where to look06:02
qidI'm still waiting for it to boot into recovery mode, it's stopped at [    3.928000]  Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.2006:02
qidit seems to have locked up06:03
gnomefreakqid: upstart holds inittab and upstart has not been upgraded on gutsy yet so it shouldnt have changed it at all06:03
qidah, it just finished06:04
qidhold on a minute06:04
gnomefreakfiling a bug report is your best way of it getting fixed (more than likely upgrade failed on a package or2 and caused that problem. make sure no errors are in /var/log/dist-upgrade (there are 3 files in there normally and they should hold errors if any) if you used update-manager to do it try with apt-get dist-upgrade)06:06
qidhttp://code.bulix.org/t24x9j-4487706:07
qidthat's what I see06:07
qidI can't cd to /var/log06:07
qidor /usr/share06:07
qidor /usr/lib/upstart06:08
gnomefreakmore than likely upgrader didnt run update-initramfs -u properly that would be easiest to fix it could be a bad kernel module or kernel upgrade that can cuase that. file a bug or ping the upstart maintainer i cant think of who it is off hand06:09
gnomefreakoh wait this may have already been filed06:10
gnomefreaki heard about this the other day someone said UID isnt generating the UUID'd properly06:10
gnomefreaklook for a bug see the progress on it06:11
gnomefreakreading the error tells you what happened ;)06:11
qidhow do I determine which UUID is my hard drive?06:15
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DanaGArgh, kernel panic -- can't sync to root (even if I use the /dev/sda6 instead of UUID=)06:16
qidoh, they're just symlinks06:16
qidwhy the heck does it use UUID if they're just symlinks to /dev/sd* anyway06:16
DanaG...and I can't find -headers for .22-5-generic.06:16
DanaGOh, and the "Here are the available partitions" thing doesn't work.06:19
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qidok... the UUID mentioned in the error message wasn't listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid and also was not mentioned in /etc/fstab06:23
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DanaGOdd, it's saying "Unable to mount root VFS", or something like that.06:29
DanaGIt also says /dev/sda6 is "unknown-block(0,0)".06:30
DanaGAnd I can't find headers for 2.6.22-5-generic, so I can't run X (newer nvidia driver) under that kernel.06:30
qidOk, I edited menu.lst and changed all references to UUID=... to just /dev/sda106:30
qidboots normally06:30
qidI have no idea who came up with this new UUID system, but I suggest they be flogged06:31
DanaGDoes anybody know where I can find the old restricted-modules and headers?06:32
DanaG.22-6 USED TO work, as of yesterday, but today it won't boot.06:33
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DanaGI wonder what changed.06:35
DanaGI think it's bad that they get rid of headers and restricted-modules for even 1-version-old kernels06:37
DanaG.06:37
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DanaG....because now I can't use X, and if I didn't have a wired connection, I wouldn't be able to get on the internet.06:37
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DanaGargh, links2 needs a "go up" shortcut.06:42
DanaGI found something with the .desc file for the older version, but I can't go UP a level.06:43
DanaGaah, I got it.... go to "related" in Google so you can acutally SEE the url.06:45
DanaGThe mirror I found: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/06:46
DanaGAah, cool: links2 supports gpm.06:48
DanaGOh yeah, one of these days, I need to file a bug report about nvclock:06:49
DanaGOn my laptop video card, hitting "default" does NOT set the default clocks.06:49
DanaGIdle is 100/100, middle is 200/300, 3D is 450/500, but nvclock thinks idle is 100/600.06:49
DanaG....and if you hit default, it sets that.06:50
DanaGAnd of course, it doesn't work.  My screen goes all corrupted.06:51
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DanaG!nvclock -T06:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nvclock -t - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:54
DanaGnVidia Geforce Go 760006:55
DanaG=> GPU temperature: -92C06:55
DanaGHah, I highly doubt that one.06:55
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DanaGWell, at least now I can start Xorg.06:56
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DanaGBookmark that site!06:57
DanaGmirror for old versions: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/06:58
rbrunhuberWhere should i report bugs in tribe 1?06:58
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DanaGArgh, that exit message left droppings (invalid-character boxes) on my screen.07:03
DanaG0x000F07:03
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asubedicompiz seems to have hosed on me currently in gutsy. is anyone else experiencing the same07:49
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winbond i like noodles07:53
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magic_ninjais there a utility to convert the hex in wine debugging output to readable text07:57
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DanaGHmm, new NVIDIA driver does hotkey display switching, for me.08:13
DanaGHowever, it's A or B, not A, A+B, B.08:13
DanaGSo I have either TV or DFP, but not TV-clones-DFP.08:13
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rogerhow do I update my existing Feisty install to Gutsy Tribe 1 once I have downloaded & burnt the ISO?08:28
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rogeranybody?08:44
coNProger: I guess you can just put it to the cd drive08:47
coNPhowever, it is not really recommended08:47
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DanaGargh, the trackballs game thoroughly eats and heats my CPU.09:07
DanaGOh, and when time's up, the player freezes -- even after a reset.09:07
DanaGThe timer doesn't reset; it goes negative.09:07
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DanaGHmm, perhaps EVERY SDL game does that./09:27
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DanaGhmm, http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org seems to be down.09:32
DanaGOh wait, it finally loaded.09:32
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lazkaati radeon 9600XT/OS-driver... I can't watch videos since about 1 or 2 days (just a blue/black screen) am I the only one??10:28
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sohailhey guys10:58
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phixnayhey I have a separate boot partition now, so now can I install gusty on another partition without messing up my current setup?11:02
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Steilwhat packages are required for ssl support for pidgin (to use msn)11:17
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homerhomerhow is the virtual support for gusty doing? I noticed that Fedora make VM really easy.11:23
DanaGArgh.  My volume keeps resetting to high.11:26
DanaGWhen I restart, I mean.11:26
DanaGAnd yes, I mean, to a high volume, not "too high" (I'm picky about even my own grammar.).11:27
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phixnayis it safe to dual boot feisty and gutsy11:47
phixnayoh, and windows11:48
crimsunto triple-boot?  Well, sure.  Not sure I'd recommend gutsy, but that's your call.11:49
DanaGcrimsun: this morning, somehow the 2.6.22-6-generic kernel won't boot anymore.  It panics -- unable to sync VFS / unable to mount root partition.11:51
DanaGThe odd thing is that the "Here are the available partitions" thingy lists nothing.11:51
DanaGI had to go back to -5, and find a mirror that had old -restricted-modules and -headers.11:52
crimsunDanaG: a bit skimpy on details regarding -6.13.11:52
DanaGI don't remember which version the last part was.... let me check.11:52
DanaGaah, yes, it is -13, but I don't remember if I actually did any updates to kernel recently.11:53
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pwnguinnot sure how to make sure grub is consistant11:54
DanaGSet /boot to be separate.11:54
DanaGs/set/partition/11:55
crimsunDanaG: are you using MD root?11:55
DanaGNope.11:55
DanaGIt's a simple logical partition (within extended).11:55
crimsunDanaG: sounds like some update that invoked update-initramfs resulted in a bad initramfs11:55
DanaGI'll check that next time I reboot.11:56
DanaGHere's where I found old versions: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/11:56
crimsunlaunchpad hosts all old versions11:56
crimsunback to pre-edgy11:56
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cowbudwhere can I look at the tasks that are high priority for gutsy?11:57
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phixnaycrimsun: pwnguin: I have /boot on its own partition and I want to install gutsy on it's own partition while keeping the grub I already have. That way if gutsy doesn't work right, I can just remove it and boot right back into feisty. I'm just completely clueless on how to do that.12:11
crimsuncowbud: see blueprints.12:12
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cowbudcrimsun: found it thanks..12:13
crimsunphixnay: just install gutsy to its own partition, then forego installing grub/lilo.  Switch to another tty, chroot into the feisty install, edit /boot/grub/menu.list, and run update-grub.12:13
phixnaycrimsun: installing a bootloader is something in the install gui that I can uncheck? if so, I think I see where you're getting at12:14
cowbudhrmm I thought pulseaudio was up for gutsy..12:15
crimsun"up for gutsy"?12:15
cowbuduh yah to be included in it..12:15
crimsunit already is included.  Edubuntu shipped with it enabled by default in feisty.12:15
cowbudyah well I meant by default in gutsy ubuntu12:16
crimsunno, that's upstream.12:16
crimsunmeaning gnome needs to get their act together.12:16
cowbudahh12:16
phixnaycrimsun: apart from that, I'm not sure exactly what to add to menu.lst. the title and root parts are easy, but I'm not sure how to find what to put for kernel and initrd12:18
crimsunphixnay: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic for the kernel; /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-6-generic for the initrd12:21
phixnayalright12:21
phixnaynow all that's left to do is man chroot12:22

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