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[01:13] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[01:13] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[01:13] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
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[03:10] <DanaG> WTF? Amarok just slaughtered my keyboard.
[03:10] <DanaG> Or rather, grabbed it, locked up, and refused to let go.
[03:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/86031
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86031 in amarok "amarok has large delay on play/pause when using pulseaudio/xine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:18] <DanaG> aah, I should verify that.
[03:18] <DanaG> Argh, something is slaughtering my CPU again.
[03:19] <DanaG> Oh yay, somehow Amarok or Pulseaudio is killing Beryl.
[03:27] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=371674
[03:29] <DanaG> time --help
[03:29] <DanaG> Usage: command-not-found [options]  <command-name>
[03:29] <DanaG> bash: --help: command not found
[03:31] <DanaG> Is it normal for gnome-system-monitor to take 10% CPU?
[03:32] <DanaG> And Beryl, 19% -- that's definitely not normal.
[03:33] <DanaG> Oh, I see, for some reason, apparently my GPU is in 2D mode.
[03:33] <DanaG> Now gnome-system-monitor is using 40%!
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[03:47] <DanaG> X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
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[03:52] <DanaG> Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -15 and height 24
[03:52] <DanaG> But it doesn't say WHAT widget!
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[04:20] <pwnguin> is there a way to get update-manager to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[04:20] <pwnguin> or should i just edit sources.list and give apt-get/aptitude a whirl?
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[04:27] <DanaG> update-manager -c -d
[04:27] <DanaG> consider dist upgrade, and use development version, respectively/
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[04:34] <pwnguin> seems at the moment it's broken
[04:42] <pwnguin> or at least, dbus was =/
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[06:47] <DanaG> hmm, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html
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[07:26] <DanaG> I installed the newest NVIDIA driver, but I haven't noticed any great changes.
[07:26] <DanaG> Hmm, looks like I need to test hotkey switching...
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[07:27] <DanaG> Woaah, it looks like it may work!
[07:27] <DanaG> Just not with clone, perhaps.
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[08:10] <DanaG> http://www.codecomments.com/archive286-2005-3-412358.html
[08:10] <DanaG> tcsetpgrp seems to give me nothing but ENOTTY.
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[08:44] <DanaG> Odd, sometimes on Ubuntu, my system wouldn't make things segfault, and then I'd move them to a Solaris box and they _would_ segfault.
[08:45] <DanaG> Of course, once it segfaulted, I found my errors in my code, but why did it NOT fail on my Linux system?
[08:46] <crimsun> that's much too vague of a question to even begin to answer.
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[08:49] <DanaG> My question is why faulty code (such as reaching beyond the end of an array) would work on my local system but not on the Solaris system.  The other system is a many-user system with a huge amount of RAM, so that's one factor -- more "detritus" in memory.
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[08:53] <DanaG> Now I just use gnome-vfs to edit locally and compile and run remotely.
[08:54] <DanaG> ...and live with 'pgup' and 'pgdn' (and arrows) in 'less' and 'man' just beeping ineffectually over SSH.
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=== DanaG thanks whoever makes gnome-vfs possible.
[09:21] <DanaG> And the equivalent kioslaves, and whatever the future plans for convergence, if any, are.
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[01:29] <coNP> can someone confirm if gnome-art is running on up-to-date gutsy?
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[02:28] <hwilde> anybody else have software crash at 7:35am sunday morning only?
[02:29] <johnnybuoy> wtf!
[02:29] <johnnybuoy> every sunday morning @ 7:35?
[02:29] <johnnybuoy> hwilde?
[02:30] <borschty> maybe a cronjob running wild
[02:30] <hwilde> yeah every sunday 7:35
[02:30] <johnnybuoy> yeah, it would be very strange otherwise
[02:30] <hwilde> coincides with cron.daily execuation in /var/log/syslog
[02:30] <hwilde> but why only on sunday if it is daily
[02:30] <borschty> maybe weekly
[02:30] <johnnybuoy> some script has something sor sunday
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[02:30] <johnnybuoy> for*
[02:31] <hwilde> commented out cron.weekly in /etc/crontab so it doesn't run anymore
[02:31] <hwilde> if this is the entry in /etc/crontab:
[02:31] <hwilde> 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
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[02:32] <hwilde> why does it launch anacron at 7:30 and cron.daily at 7:35?
[02:32] <hwilde> Jun 10 07:30:02 localhost anacron[15610] : Will run job `cron.daily' in 5 min.
[02:32] <hwilde> Jun 10 07:35:01 localhost anacron[15610] : Job `cron.daily' started
[02:32] <hwilde> shouldn't it run at 6:25 like /etc/crontab specifies?
[02:32] <borschty> maybe utc?
[02:33] <hwilde> yeah maybe... but utc says it's like 12:30
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[02:34] <hwilde> but still... let's say it is related to cron.daily execution.  why would it only happen on sundays and not every day
[02:34] <hwilde> what is different about cron.daily on sunday
[02:35] <borschty> you could check the scripts if one of them does something specific on sundays
[02:35] <hwilde> they seem generic to me.  nothing about times or dates.  it looks like thye should do the same thing everyday
[02:35] <borschty> or maybe some stuff installed as user some time ago you already forgot about?
[02:36] <johnnybuoy> grep -i sun* /etc/cron.daily doesn't give any relevant results
[02:36] <johnnybuoy> tho it might be imported from somewhere else..
[02:36] <hwilde> there is nothing installed by phantom users... same image across multiple machines does the same thing
[02:38] <hwilde> why does the end of /var/log/syslog.0  say  Jun 10 07:35:11 localhost exiting on signal 15
[02:38] <hwilde> then the logs are rotated
[02:38] <johnnybuoy> maybe reboot?
[02:38] <hwilde> but this happens everyday as far as I can tell
[02:39] <hwilde> nope the systems stay up and online - software just crashes
[02:39] <hwilde> uptime 25 days
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[02:40] <johnnybuoy> ah
[02:41] <borschty> which software crashes?
[02:41] <hwilde> tclsh
[02:42] <borschty> just that?
[02:42] <hwilde> well, multiple tclsh's
[02:42] <borschty> what are you using them for?
[02:43] <hwilde> one is playing sounds, one is taking snapshots from a webcam, one is doing file i/o... lots of stuff
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[02:44] <hwilde> some of the machines survive, but ~40% crash
[02:44] <borschty> maybe some ntp time adjustments that tcl has problems with? (wild guessing)
[02:45] <hwilde> I uninstalled ntp services :)
[02:45] <hwilde> that one produces an error message about the wait timeouts that is very understandable
[02:45] <hwilde> this sunday morning thing creates no log messages - everything just stops
[02:46] <hwilde> not even a core file and I have ulimit unlimited
[02:47] <borschty> maybe it is some religious do-not-work-on-sunday-stuff ;)
[02:47] <hwilde> lol
[02:47] <hwilde> that is why i dubbed it project church
[02:47] <hwilde> god is smiting the software - it should repent
[02:49] <borschty> and error codes represent the number of rosaries ;)
[02:50] <coNP> can someone confirm if gnome-art (universe) is running properly?
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[02:53] <hwilde> is there some global system logging level that I can turn up to see what is happening
[02:55] <borschty> maybe you could strace tclsh, but if this going to run for a week you will need a lot of space
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[03:30] <hwilde> borschty, I can replicate on demand by setting system clock to next sunday 7:29am and waiting 5 minutes.
[03:30] <hwilde> so strace wouldn't grow too big
[03:32] <hwilde> what is exiting with signal 15 tho in /var/log/syslog.0
[03:32] <hwilde> Jun 10 07:35:12 localhost exiting on signal 15
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[05:49] <Brakkvatn> Is it worth upgrading to gutsy if I need just one of the libraries in there? guichan v6.0 instead of v4.0
[05:50] <qid> I just upgraded to 7.10 and I'm getting the error message "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[05:50] <qid> I looked into that a bit and every thread on it says to check inittab
[05:50] <qid> so I booted into a livecd, and inittab is missing
[05:51] <Brakkvatn> Okay I think I'll pass. Thanks :P
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[05:51] <qid> Is there somewhere I can get a copy of inittab that should work with ubuntu?
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[05:54] <gnomefreak> qid: your not missing init* its there you need to file a bug but first i would check md5sum of the downloaded ISO and burn slowest speed possible
[05:54] <qid> I didn't download an ISO, I used the updater
[05:55] <qid> And it's not there. I checked.
[05:55] <gnomefreak> qid: than you are not missing it
[05:55] <qid> I booted into a livecd, mounted the root partition, /etc/inittab does not exist
[05:55] <qid> well, /mnt/etc/inittab from the livecd
[05:56] <gnomefreak> qid: its part of initscripts
[05:56] <gnomefreak> if there in feisty its there in gutsy
[05:57] <qid> look, I'm telling you what happened
[05:57] <qid> I don't know how it happened, or why; the install seemed to go smoothly
[05:57] <gnomefreak> qid: and its messed up but it is there. take my word for it or do a search on the main package not a single script
[05:57] <qid> IT. IS. NOT. THERE.
[05:58] <gnomefreak> qid: ok sure its not there. run sudo update-initramfs -u once you get to boot in safe mode thean tell me if its not htere
[05:58] <qid> I can take pictures of the directory listing with a digital camera and show them to you
[05:59] <gnomefreak> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/inittab_disablectrlaltdelconsole
[05:59] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl
[05:59] <gnomefreak> search those
[05:59] <gnomefreak> second one most likely
[05:59] <gnomefreak> qid: since its part of upstart did you look in upstart dir?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> notice the exact name
[06:00] <qid> it's booting into recovery mode now, just a second
[06:00] <gnomefreak> once again its there its just messed up file a bug report
[06:00] <gnomefreak> qid: not the first time this has happened
[06:00] <gnomefreak> hint locate inittab
[06:01] <qid> I couldn't run locate from a livecd
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[06:01] <gnomefreak> qid: you didnt mount properly than or you didnt chroot into your install
[06:01] <gnomefreak> locate cant run on livecd since nothing goes to hdd
[06:02] <qid> exactly
[06:02] <gnomefreak> unless you tell it where to look
[06:02] <qid> I'm still waiting for it to boot into recovery mode, it's stopped at [    3.928000]  Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
[06:03] <qid> it seems to have locked up
[06:03] <gnomefreak> qid: upstart holds inittab and upstart has not been upgraded on gutsy yet so it shouldnt have changed it at all
[06:04] <qid> ah, it just finished
[06:04] <qid> hold on a minute
[06:06] <gnomefreak> filing a bug report is your best way of it getting fixed (more than likely upgrade failed on a package or2 and caused that problem. make sure no errors are in /var/log/dist-upgrade (there are 3 files in there normally and they should hold errors if any) if you used update-manager to do it try with apt-get dist-upgrade)
[06:07] <qid> http://code.bulix.org/t24x9j-44877
[06:07] <qid> that's what I see
[06:07] <qid> I can't cd to /var/log
[06:07] <qid> or /usr/share
[06:08] <qid> or /usr/lib/upstart
[06:09] <gnomefreak> more than likely upgrader didnt run update-initramfs -u properly that would be easiest to fix it could be a bad kernel module or kernel upgrade that can cuase that. file a bug or ping the upstart maintainer i cant think of who it is off hand
[06:10] <gnomefreak> oh wait this may have already been filed
[06:10] <gnomefreak> i heard about this the other day someone said UID isnt generating the UUID'd properly
[06:11] <gnomefreak> look for a bug see the progress on it
[06:11] <gnomefreak> reading the error tells you what happened ;)
[06:15] <qid> how do I determine which UUID is my hard drive?
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[06:16] <DanaG> Argh, kernel panic -- can't sync to root (even if I use the /dev/sda6 instead of UUID=)
[06:16] <qid> oh, they're just symlinks
[06:16] <qid> why the heck does it use UUID if they're just symlinks to /dev/sd* anyway
[06:16] <DanaG> ...and I can't find -headers for .22-5-generic.
[06:19] <DanaG> Oh, and the "Here are the available partitions" thing doesn't work.
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[06:23] <qid> ok... the UUID mentioned in the error message wasn't listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid and also was not mentioned in /etc/fstab
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[06:29] <DanaG> Odd, it's saying "Unable to mount root VFS", or something like that.
[06:30] <DanaG> It also says /dev/sda6 is "unknown-block(0,0)".
[06:30] <DanaG> And I can't find headers for 2.6.22-5-generic, so I can't run X (newer nvidia driver) under that kernel.
[06:30] <qid> Ok, I edited menu.lst and changed all references to UUID=... to just /dev/sda1
[06:30] <qid> boots normally
[06:31] <qid> I have no idea who came up with this new UUID system, but I suggest they be flogged
[06:32] <DanaG> Does anybody know where I can find the old restricted-modules and headers?
[06:33] <DanaG> .22-6 USED TO work, as of yesterday, but today it won't boot.
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[06:35] <DanaG> I wonder what changed.
[06:37] <DanaG> I think it's bad that they get rid of headers and restricted-modules for even 1-version-old kernels
[06:37] <DanaG> .
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[06:37] <DanaG> ....because now I can't use X, and if I didn't have a wired connection, I wouldn't be able to get on the internet.
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[06:42] <DanaG> argh, links2 needs a "go up" shortcut.
[06:43] <DanaG> I found something with the .desc file for the older version, but I can't go UP a level.
[06:45] <DanaG> aah, I got it.... go to "related" in Google so you can acutally SEE the url.
[06:46] <DanaG> The mirror I found: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/
[06:48] <DanaG> Aah, cool: links2 supports gpm.
[06:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one of these days, I need to file a bug report about nvclock:
[06:49] <DanaG> On my laptop video card, hitting "default" does NOT set the default clocks.
[06:49] <DanaG> Idle is 100/100, middle is 200/300, 3D is 450/500, but nvclock thinks idle is 100/600.
[06:50] <DanaG> ....and if you hit default, it sets that.
[06:51] <DanaG> And of course, it doesn't work.  My screen goes all corrupted.
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[06:54] <DanaG> !nvclock -T
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvclock -t - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <DanaG> nVidia Geforce Go 7600
[06:55] <DanaG> => GPU temperature: -92C
[06:55] <DanaG> Hah, I highly doubt that one.
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[06:56] <DanaG> Well, at least now I can start Xorg.
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[06:57] <DanaG> Bookmark that site!
[06:58] <DanaG> mirror for old versions: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/
[06:58] <rbrunhuber> Where should i report bugs in tribe 1?
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[07:03] <DanaG> Argh, that exit message left droppings (invalid-character boxes) on my screen.
[07:03] <DanaG> 0x000F
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[07:49] <asubedi> compiz seems to have hosed on me currently in gutsy. is anyone else experiencing the same
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[07:53] <winbond>  i like noodles
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[07:57] <magic_ninja> is there a utility to convert the hex in wine debugging output to readable text
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[08:13] <DanaG> Hmm, new NVIDIA driver does hotkey display switching, for me.
[08:13] <DanaG> However, it's A or B, not A, A+B, B.
[08:13] <DanaG> So I have either TV or DFP, but not TV-clones-DFP.
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[08:28] <roger> how do I update my existing Feisty install to Gutsy Tribe 1 once I have downloaded & burnt the ISO?
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[08:44] <roger> anybody?
[08:47] <coNP> roger: I guess you can just put it to the cd drive
[08:47] <coNP> however, it is not really recommended
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[09:07] <DanaG> argh, the trackballs game thoroughly eats and heats my CPU.
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh, and when time's up, the player freezes -- even after a reset.
[09:07] <DanaG> The timer doesn't reset; it goes negative.
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[09:27] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps EVERY SDL game does that./
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[09:32] <DanaG> hmm, http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org seems to be down.
[09:32] <DanaG> Oh wait, it finally loaded.
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[10:28] <lazka> ati radeon 9600XT/OS-driver... I can't watch videos since about 1 or 2 days (just a blue/black screen) am I the only one??
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[10:58] <sohail> hey guys
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[11:02] <phixnay> hey I have a separate boot partition now, so now can I install gusty on another partition without messing up my current setup?
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[11:17] <Steil> what packages are required for ssl support for pidgin (to use msn)
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[11:23] <homerhomer> how is the virtual support for gusty doing? I noticed that Fedora make VM really easy.
[11:26] <DanaG> Argh.  My volume keeps resetting to high.
[11:26] <DanaG> When I restart, I mean.
[11:27] <DanaG> And yes, I mean, to a high volume, not "too high" (I'm picky about even my own grammar.).
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[11:47] <phixnay> is it safe to dual boot feisty and gutsy
[11:48] <phixnay> oh, and windows
[11:49] <crimsun> to triple-boot?  Well, sure.  Not sure I'd recommend gutsy, but that's your call.
[11:51] <DanaG> crimsun: this morning, somehow the 2.6.22-6-generic kernel won't boot anymore.  It panics -- unable to sync VFS / unable to mount root partition.
[11:51] <DanaG> The odd thing is that the "Here are the available partitions" thingy lists nothing.
[11:52] <DanaG> I had to go back to -5, and find a mirror that had old -restricted-modules and -headers.
[11:52] <crimsun> DanaG: a bit skimpy on details regarding -6.13.
[11:52] <DanaG> I don't remember which version the last part was.... let me check.
[11:53] <DanaG> aah, yes, it is -13, but I don't remember if I actually did any updates to kernel recently.
=== pwnguin set up a triple boot last nigth
[11:54] <pwnguin> not sure how to make sure grub is consistant
[11:54] <DanaG> Set /boot to be separate.
[11:55] <DanaG> s/set/partition/
[11:55] <crimsun> DanaG: are you using MD root?
[11:55] <DanaG> Nope.
[11:55] <DanaG> It's a simple logical partition (within extended).
[11:55] <crimsun> DanaG: sounds like some update that invoked update-initramfs resulted in a bad initramfs
[11:56] <DanaG> I'll check that next time I reboot.
[11:56] <DanaG> Here's where I found old versions: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/
[11:56] <crimsun> launchpad hosts all old versions
[11:56] <crimsun> back to pre-edgy
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[11:57] <cowbud> where can I look at the tasks that are high priority for gutsy?
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[12:11] <phixnay> crimsun: pwnguin: I have /boot on its own partition and I want to install gutsy on it's own partition while keeping the grub I already have. That way if gutsy doesn't work right, I can just remove it and boot right back into feisty. I'm just completely clueless on how to do that.
[12:12] <crimsun> cowbud: see blueprints.
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[12:13] <cowbud> crimsun: found it thanks..
[12:13] <crimsun> phixnay: just install gutsy to its own partition, then forego installing grub/lilo.  Switch to another tty, chroot into the feisty install, edit /boot/grub/menu.list, and run update-grub.
[12:14] <phixnay> crimsun: installing a bootloader is something in the install gui that I can uncheck? if so, I think I see where you're getting at
[12:15] <cowbud> hrmm I thought pulseaudio was up for gutsy..
[12:15] <crimsun> "up for gutsy"?
[12:15] <cowbud> uh yah to be included in it..
[12:15] <crimsun> it already is included.  Edubuntu shipped with it enabled by default in feisty.
[12:16] <cowbud> yah well I meant by default in gutsy ubuntu
[12:16] <crimsun> no, that's upstream.
[12:16] <crimsun> meaning gnome needs to get their act together.
[12:16] <cowbud> ahh
[12:18] <phixnay> crimsun: apart from that, I'm not sure exactly what to add to menu.lst. the title and root parts are easy, but I'm not sure how to find what to put for kernel and initrd
[12:21] <crimsun> phixnay: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic for the kernel; /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-6-generic for the initrd
[12:21] <phixnay> alright
[12:22] <phixnay> now all that's left to do is man chroot