[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #119620 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Hotkey event crashes ACPI module in 2.6.20" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119620
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #119621 in apport (main) "Untranslated string" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119621
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #119622 in apport (main) "apport must not cause denial of service" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119622
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119624 in ubiquity (main) "Installer fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119624
[01:12] <minghua> Hello, I have a question about who can reject the bugs (for packages in main, if that matters).  I know as an MOTU I can, I think the QA team members can, too.
[01:13] <persia> minghua: I think anyone can.
[01:14] <minghua> My main question is, is there an easy way to let the Debian maintainer, who used launchpad, but is not a Ubuntu member/MOTU, to change bugs in his package.
[01:14] <minghua> persia: Hmm, then I should tell the maintainer "don't ask me to reject, just reject it". :-P
[01:14] <persia> minghua: If they can't change the Status already, I think they only have to join BugSquad to be able to do so.
[01:14] <minghua> persia: I see.  Thanks.
[01:14] <persia> minghua: That's probably easiest for you :)
[01:15] <minghua> Do you need to be an Ubuntu member to join BugSquad, by the way?
[01:16] <persia> minghua: Nope.  Joining BugSquad and triaging is one of the recommended ways to build karma towards membership.
[01:17] <minghua> persia: Nice, I'll try to persuade the Debian maintainer to join Bug Squad. :-)
[01:23] <lousygarua> hello. is anyone here?
[01:23] <lousygarua> out of the 103 ppl connected?
[01:23] <persia> lousygarua: Probably about 52 of us.  Why?
[01:24] <lousygarua> perisia: actually i have no idea. i'm a developer and ubuntu user but never helped out to opensource projects before and searching for a starting point.
[01:25] <persia> lousygarua: Ah.  I think Bugs are the best starting point.
[01:25] <lousygarua> persia: yeah. looking on the wiki for interetsing stuff for me
[01:27] <persia> lousygarua: We currently have just over 30000 bugs, about half of which haven't yet had enough attention.  Two really useful things to do are 1)  Try to confirm the bugs and collect enough information about them for the developers, and 2)  Add tags to help people find related bugs to fix.  There's a lot of information available from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[01:28] <lousygarua> persia: yup, reading it now. i do have a certain questino though
[01:29] <persia> lousygarua: If you have questions, just ask them here.  There's usually a fair number of people who are willing to help.  In general, you'll get a faster response if you don't ask specific people.
[01:29] <lousygarua> persia: when updating a package from an upstream u have to make a .deb and make sure everything works (for feisty for example) and only then it gets uploaded the the main universe repos?
[01:29] <lousygarua> persia: ha. see i asked u specifically instead fo the global chat.
[01:30] <persia> lousygarua: Yes, but it's best to target the current development environment (gutsy today).  Personally, I think it's easier to start with bugs thatn with packaging.
[01:32] <persia> lousygarua: When working with bugs, and looking at other packages to try to figure out why it's happening, one develops a good understanding of best and poor packaging practices, which makes moving to packaging much easier.  The docs are fairly confusing for people who have only seen a couple packages.
[01:32] <lousygarua> persia: hmm so basically when a version goes out like 7.04 it stays unupdated to the latest upstream version until the next ubuntu version comes out? funtime
[01:33] <persia> lousygarua: Yes, although security fixes and major bugfixes are usually applied to the current release package.  New upstreams tend to contain new features, which cause new bugs (and we already have 30,000)
[01:34] <lousygarua> persia: hmm alright. and if u really want features u just download src like i did recently with pidgin... sounds fair enough
[01:35] <persia> lousygarua: Right.  Doing that isn't supported directly, so people who use local source don't generate bugs.  The idea is that the latest supported release works well for people who don't want to experiment, and provides a good platform for people who do.
[01:35] <lousygarua> persia: what about bugs for ubuntu versions before that ubuntu LTS things (i stil didn't get the names right)? are they dead or they are still ocnsidiered bugs?
[01:36] <stojance> Hi BugSquad
[01:36] <stojance> there is a really big bug here... I can see a lot of bug reports of it... I have the solution... can I tell someone
[01:37] <persia> lousygarua: Standard Ubuntu releases are supported for 18 months, and LTS releases much longer.  Any bug that applies to a released version is still a bug, but minor bugs (that wouldn't be enough for a Stable Release Update) are usually marked as closed when they are fixed in the current development environment.
[01:37] <persia> s/to a released version/to a supported version/
[01:37] <Flannel> lousygarua: Stuff before the LTS isn't supported anymore, not by default, but because 18 months has passed.
[01:38] <stojance> basically the bug is in the DNS in resolv.conf. If you have a DHCP PPPoE connection to the internet, the DNS servers after 10 sec. disappear from resolv.conf
[01:38] <persia> stojance: which bug?
[01:38] <lousygarua> persia,flannel: ok, i got it. thanks
[01:38] <stojance> persia: I can't find my bug report, but I can see a few of it ~ on lp
[01:39] <persia> stojance: Pick any of them, and just say "bug bugnumber", and ubotu will give us a link to have a look.
[01:39] <stojance> persia: I have the solution, so to who can I tell it to so it actually gets into the Ubuntu Disk 1
[01:39] <minghua> stojance: we need to know the bug number first
[01:40] <stojance> it's pretty critical, for End Users
[01:40] <minghua> then we can hear your solution
[01:40] <persia> stojance: That's really hard, but getting a solution into the online repositories is easier.  We still need to know the bug number.
[01:40] <stojance> it's in the online repos
[01:40] <stojance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gst/+bug/14328
[01:40] <stojance> here is one
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #119628 in yelp (main) "sometimes i cant copy my photos from camera" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119628
[01:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 14328 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin]  resolv.conf wiped out unless dns configured manually" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:40] <Flannel> stojance: So, comment in that bug about the fix
[01:41] <persia> stojance: That's a really old bug (with no duplicates).  Is there a more recent one that talks about a newer version of Ubuntu?  I think your problem is different than that.
[01:42] <stojance> persia: I can see it's an old bug
[01:42] <minghua> 14328 sounds dapper-era bugs
[01:43] <persia> stojance: It's just that the way in which network device management is done has changed significantly since Hoary, so I'm not sure if the data in that bugreport applies to the current environment.
[01:43] <persia> minghua: Even earlier.  Bugs 8000-25000 or so were imported from the ubuntu bugzilla, when it merged into Malone.
[01:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8000 in netcfg "wifi network selection during install could be sweeter" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8000
[01:44] <minghua> persia: I see, so #10000 is actually earlier than #2000
[01:45] <persia> minghua: Annoyingly, yes.  Ubuntu bugzilla used to reject bugs against universe, and Malone accepted them (once bug #1 was open).  After a while, Malone was good enough for the dogfood rules to apply.
[01:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:45] <stojance> persia: a portion of the problem is still here, especially when running pppoeconf. after 10 sec. of starting a PPPoE connection that receives DNS from DHCP that connection is 'dead', a.k.a. you can't browse in nice URLs, only in IP's (or do anything internet related for that matter)
[01:46] <persia> stojance: I understand.  I'm just trying to figure out how to get a fix into the archives, and if a newer bug exists, it's easier.  You say you opened a bug about this earlier?  What's your launchpad ID?
[01:46] <minghua> persia: yes, yes, I was there the day malone opens, I just didn't know the details of importing old bugzilla bugs
[01:47] <stojance> persia: Flannel already tried finding it, he didn't so I might as well file a new one?
[01:47] <persia> minghua: My apologies then - my memory is poor :)
[01:47] <minghua> persia: no need to apologize :-)
[01:47] <persia> stojance: I'll find it (it might take me a bit), but I need your launchpad ID.
[01:48] <stojance> sdimitrovski but the ~/sdimitrovski thing says that there aren't any bugs filed
[01:48] <persia> stojance: That's just because the default filter doesn't show dups.  Hold on a couple minutes.
[01:52] <stojance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pppoeconf/+bug/47158
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47158 in pppoeconf "pppoe connection loses DNS addresses after the first DHCP lease renewal in dapper RC" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[01:52] <persia> Grr.  What happened to the ubuntu-bugs@ archive :(
[01:52] <stojance> this describes it very good
[01:53] <persia> stojance: That looks a lot more useful, as it points to a package that hasn't changed as much.  Thanks.
[01:55] <stojance> but it's not 5 sec. it's 10 sec. :)
[01:55] <persia> stojance: OK.  Looking at the bug, it indicates some solutions from the forums.  I think the next step is to turn one of them into a patch.
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119629 in Ubuntu "Error message from less" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119629
[01:56] <stojance> persia: as I said, this is easily fixed by installing the 'resolvconf' package
[01:58] <stojance> I left a comment...
[01:58] <persia> stojance: In that case, pppoeconf should depend on resolvconf, so it happens automatically.  To get it fixed, I'd recommend adding a comment saying that this would be fixed if pppoeconf depended on resolvconf, and adding the "bitesize" and "packaging" tags to get the attention of packagers, who will probably fix it soon.
[01:58] <stojance> k
[01:58] <stojance> thanks... another comment then
[01:59] <persia> stojance: Thanks a lot for tracking down the solution, and helping get the bug to the next stage.  Please also mark the bug "Confirmed".
[01:59] <stojance> np :)
[02:00] <minghua> that #119629 looks interesting...
[02:00] <minghua> I imagine the reporter did something wrong with his/her shared libraries
[02:01] <stojance> in lp you add tags in the Description area?
[02:02] <persia> stojance: Yes, tags are added by "Edit Description"
[02:02] <stojance> k
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119631 in Ubuntu "Please sync "openttd"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119631
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #119630 in mplayer (multiverse) "spurious keyboard input on intel macbook to blobwars and mplayer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119630
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119632 in fpc (universe) "problems with fp-docs, unexpected error using html help files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119632
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119633 in Ubuntu "media automount fails to remove mountpoint on umount" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119633
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119634 in Ubuntu "fluxbox save problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119634
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #119636 in evolution (main) "Evolution Crashes on Startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119636
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #119637 in gnome-network (universe) "network configuration incorrect after suspend/resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119637
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #119638 in grace (universe) "grace, grace6 not compiled with PDF support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119638
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #119639 in gnome-panel (main) "initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic does'nt exist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119639
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119640 in Ubuntu "ata: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x0001f607" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119640
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #119641 in libmms (universe) "libmms can't connect to a mms http stream." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119641
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #119642 in Ubuntu "Wireless card (Atheros) on ThinkPad R60 does not work with Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119642
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119643 in exaile (universe) "update exaile to include the amazon patch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119643
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119644 in ksynaptics (universe) "Ksynaptics Crashes on System Resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119644
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119645 in Ubuntu "No 12-hour format in Venezuela timezone" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119645
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #119646 in Ubuntu "Feisty Fawn Alt CD install errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119646
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #119647 in gnome-commander (universe) "gnome-commander won't run programs in the terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119647
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119650 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic - Reload - Error - "Unable to lock the list directory"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119650
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119651 in network-manager (main) "After 1 year of perfect operation, NetworkManager crashes on start-up..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119651
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119652 in ntp (main) "ntpdate debugging mode adjusts local clock but shouldn't" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119652
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #119653 in upstart (main) ""init" not responding anymore / problems shutting down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119653
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #119654 in firefox (main) "Firefox and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119654
[09:04] <ranf> hi
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago_> hello.
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #119656 in firefox (main) "Bookmark of Google Toolbar can't work in Firefox. (PowerPC)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119656
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119657 in firefox (main) "There is no flash support in Firefox. (PowerPC)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119657
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #119658 in synaptic (main) "there should be a locate function in the main window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119658
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119659 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "libata inconsistency through kernel updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119659
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119660 in autofs (main) "Autofs should be reloaded when state of network interface changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119660
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #119662 in kile (universe) "Selection highlight and cursor disappear." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119662
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #119663 in quodlibet (universe) ""***MEMORY-WARNING***: [...] memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected[...] " and lots of segfaults" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119663
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #119664 in kdepim (main) "Kubuntu upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy failed due to conflicting file in kdepimlibs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119664
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119666 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel 2.6.20-16.29 fails to boot where 2.6.20-16.28 was fine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119666
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #119667 in Ubuntu "An error ocured when I try to run update manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119667
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #119668 in gimp (main) "gimp crashed while trying to close while the file it worked on was moved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119668
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #119671 in backupninja (universe) "Scheduling doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119671
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #119672 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon and FN keys on Sony Vaio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119672
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119674 in banshee (universe) "Banshee smart playlist size limit doesn't work." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119674
[01:04] <jovans> hello is there a kernel update soon for fesity the current version cause problems
[01:06] <persia> jovans: Which type of problems?  Is there a bug report?
[01:07] <jovans> yes in launchpad laways exist
[01:07] <jovans> always exist i mean
[01:09] <persia> jovans: My understanding is that all the bugs that will be fixed in the next kernel update have been marked "Fix Committed", and that those that are being worked on are marked "In Progress".  If you are having a difficulty with an issue that is not in one of those states, please check to make sure that the bug has sufficient information to address the problem, or if you can, submit a patch (or better, a pointer to an existing patch that fixed it 
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #119675 in grub (main) "please merge grub 0.97-28 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119675
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119676 in openmotif (multiverse) "libmotif3 fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119676
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119678 in Ubuntu "Windows XP does not detect HP1020 printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119678
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119679 in Ubuntu "Reboot after quit Chess game" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119679
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119680 in qdacco (universe) "[qdacco]  New upstream version: 0.6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119680
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #119681 in kaffeine (main) "Image in Kaffeine freezes while watching satelite tv in Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119681
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119682 in nautilus (main) "automatically delete files from certain folders" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119682
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119683 in qdacco (universe) "qdacco includes no .desktop file" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119683
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119684 in kdeutils (main) "ark crashes when manipulating many archives or archive(s) with many files inside" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119684
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119685 in gnome-power-manager (main) "g-p-m prefers pmi even if hibernate is available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119685
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #119687 in Ubuntu "suspend does not work since upgarded to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119687
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #119688 in xorg (main) "Screen goes blank and computer becomes unresponsive." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119688
[02:44] <coNP> someone can help me howto fix a bug in a package with CDBS?
[02:45] <coNP> I want to create a patch but I am not sure how to do that
[02:46] <persia> coNP: Sure.  Which bug?
[02:46] <coNP> it is not filed yet I am not even sure it is a bug but want to give it a try
[02:47] <persia> coNP: OK.  which package?  What issue?
[02:47] <coNP> it is in ruby-gnome2 the issue http://ruby-gnome2.cvs.sourceforge.net/ruby-gnome2/ruby-gnome2/libglade/lib/libglade2.rb?r1=1.17&r2=1.18
[02:47] <coNP> gutsy seems to be affected
[02:47] <persia> coNP: OK.  What does that mean in terms of functionality?
[02:48] <coNP> I can edit the proper file in the source tree but cannot make a patch
[02:48] <coNP> gnome-art is not starting (sometimes)
[02:49] <persia> coNP: Ah.  That's probably a bug then :)  Let me look at the package.
[02:49] <coNP> persia: sure it is a bug
[02:49] <coNP> I want to fix it
[02:49] <coNP> but I am not familiar with CDBS patches
[02:49] <coNP> the fix was quite easy based on the CVS
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #119689 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "PCI: cannot allocate resource region " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119689
[02:51] <coNP> persia: I file a bug for that in the meantime
[02:51] <persia> coNP: You're in luck.  It's already set up to receive patches.  Just install CDBS, and run cdbs-edit-patch patchname in the base directory to create the right patch.  More details are available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources.
[02:52] <coNP> persia: thanks, I tried to, may I ask you again if I stuck (after reading the docs you provided, of course)?
[02:52] <persia> coNP: Please assign yourself and set "In Progress" if you're going to fix it, just to make it easier for triagers to focus on real unconfirmed bugs :)
[02:52] <coNP> okay, thanks
[02:52] <persia> coNP: Sure, but as always, you'll probably get a better response if you ask generally.  If you're just doing a patch, here is great.  If you want to make a new candidate revision, asking in #ubuntu-motu is probably better.
[02:53] <coNP> By the way can you confirm if this bug really affects gutsy (and not only my system)?
[02:54] <persia> coNP: Maybe.  Please document how to reproduce in the bug report, along with the observed behaviour and expected behaviour.  I'd be willing to check based on that, but don't know enough about the package to test it without that.
[02:55] <coNP> okay :)
[03:01] <coNP> persia: bug #119690
[03:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119690 in ruby-gnome2 "gnome-art is not working in gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119690
[03:01] <persia> Thanks.  I'll test it in a moment.
[03:02] <coNP> thanks
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119690 in ruby-gnome2 (universe) "gnome-art is not working in gutsy" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119690
[03:06] <persia> coNP: Yep.  Breaks for me :)
[03:07] <coNP> thanks, theoratically you should confirm it, but please leave it "in progress"
[03:08] <persia> coNP: Right :)
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119691 in Ubuntu "[compiz /glxgears] redraw problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119691
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119692 in kdebase (main) "[compiz kdm] no way to activate direct shutdown from KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119692
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119693 in xchat-gnome (main) "xchat-gnome 0.17 crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119693
[03:22] <coNP> Can you help me? It says http://pastebin.ca/556184 Maybe it is not cdbs at all?
[03:23] <persia> coNP: No, it's definitely CDBS (see debian/rules).
[03:23] <coNP> yep, therefore I thought it was CDBS
[03:24] <coNP> the package compiles flawlessly, but I cannot patch it via cdbs-edit-patch
[03:26] <persia> coNP: My apologies: apparently cdbs-edit-patch doesn't support quilt very well right now.  In the patch guide I indicated before, further down the page, is a guide for quilt.  Try wiping your wokring directory, rebuilding with dpkg-source -x ruby-gnome2_0.16.0-2.dsc, and following the quilt guide.  I'll see if there's already a bug against CDBS for this :)
[03:26] <coNP> thanks persia
[03:26] <coNP> I am quite new to patch systems
[03:27] <persia> coNP: No problems :)  We're all new once, and patches are the best way to fix bugs.
[03:27] <coNP> Sure, so far I only fixed patch-system-less bugs :)
[03:29] <persia> coNP: This is the next step :)  If you get stuck, attaching a simple patch (e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix) is a big help too, but if you have the time and patience to make direct patches, they can be applied more easily.
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #119694 in gnome-panel (main) "Use of more than one desktop crashes panel on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119694
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #119695 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119695
[03:38] <coNP> persia: should I also use quilt if I edit the changelog and control files in debian/?
[03:38] <coNP> (i.e., to replace Maintainer to MOTU and to bugfix info to changelog)
[03:39] <persia> coNP: No.  The debian/patches directory (with quilt, dpatch, or simple-patchsys) is only used to modify things not in debian/ (this keeps all of diff.gz in debian/, which is preffered).  Just make changes to changelog, control, etc. directly.
[03:39] <coNP> okay, thanks
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #119696 in Ubuntu "System goes back into standby after it resumed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119696
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119697 in gwenview (main) "Gwenviev crashes when loading a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119697
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119698 in hibernate (universe) "suspend to ram fail, can't upload nvidia & ipw3945" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119698
[04:14] <coNP> persia: does this mean that I have to upload both the result of the debdiff and the proper .diff.gz?
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119701 in Ubuntu "request libmotif3 in ia32 libs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119701
[04:15] <persia> coNP: Nope.  Just the debdiff.
[04:16] <coNP> but that does not seem to contain my patch in debian/patches
[04:16] <coNP> oh, sorry it is my fault
[04:32] <coNP> persia: if I created & uploaded the debdiff is it enough to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #119702 in kxdocker (universe) "[gutsy]  PLease drop kxdocker from gutsy archives." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119702
[04:42] <Arby> can anybody offer advice on bug 110906.
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110906 in update-manager "error in update manager" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110906
[04:42] <Arby> I'm wondering whether to close it as insufficient information
[04:42] <Arby> no response in 5 weeks
[04:43] <coNP> Arby: I think you can close it down with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-aa72b6a41481a1304f6cc8dc0b076db1c288ff10
[04:44] <ccm> I'd close that, too
[04:45] <Arby> thanks folks
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #119703 in Ubuntu "Pointer moves to one side of the screen in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119703
[04:46] <persia> Arby: You can probably close the bug (I don't think it's a bug).  Separately, when there's a permission problem, `sudo update-manager`is often enough to solve it, and recent versions of aptitude do better than apt-get at processing dist-upgrade.
[04:46] <Arby> persia: thanks, I'll keep that in mind
[04:47] <Arby> although most people get advised to use apt-get rather than aptitude
[04:48] <persia> Arby: Where?  I'd like to fix that, as starting with Etch, Debian recommends aptitude over apt-get for upgrades, and I believe Ubuntu recommends update-manager.
[04:48] <Arby> persia: it's one of those people pick up ad-hoc on the forums etc
[04:49] <Arby> often if you ask for help you get responses that recommend apt-get
[04:49] <Arby> I'm not saying it's advised anywhere 'official'
[04:50] <persia> Arby: Oh well.  I was hoping to find another doc to fix.  I think it's been updated everywhere official in both Debian and Ubuntu, but it's hard to change unofficial places.  Thanks.
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #119704 in Ubuntu "A20-S259 Toshiba, Trident CyberBlade XP2, Google Earth and Picasa crash the Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119704
[04:51] <Arby> persia: agreed, but the web is littered with tutorials and how-to's that specify apt-get
[04:51] <Arby> nothing we can do about those
[04:51] <Arby> except 'fix the internet' :)
[04:52] <persia> Arby: Agreed.  I just recommend aptitude to people when I can, and try to get others to do the same :)  apt-get is still better for managing source packages, so it cannot be taken away.
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119705 in openoffice.org (main) "crush window that opens Writer after I use Impress full screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119705
[04:57] <jerome_> hello all
[04:57] <jerome_> I need some help to triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pwlib/+bug/50923
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50923 in pwlib "Firewire camera not found with ekiga 1394avc plugin" [Medium,Needs info] 
[04:58] <jerome_> I can't find if this is an Ekiga issue or a pwlib issue
[04:59] <jerome_> anyone has an idea ?
[04:59] <persia> Arby: Just a note - I've just been advised that kubuntu recommends adept_updater, so you might want to add that to the list.
[05:00] <Arby> persia: I know, I'm a kubuntu user and I was lurking in #kubuntu-devel when you asked :)
[05:00] <persia> heh
[05:02] <Arby> persia: while I'm at it, bug 112008 sounds like problem on the repo end, should I close?
[05:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112008 in update-manager "upadte manger fail to install or upgrade" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112008
[05:02] <Arby> looks like the server was having a bad day but could be wrong
[05:03] <persia> jerome_: At this point, you probably have to go code-diving (or leave the bug for the next person).  If the ekiga source references the path directly, it's likely an ekiga problem.  If not, likely a pwlib issue.
[05:04] <persia> Arby: It's always best to ask generally, rather than to an individual: you'll likely get a faster reponse.
[05:05] <persia> Arby: That looks like a bad day to me.  Trying again usually fixes that when it happens for me.  I'd work with the submitter (if they are responsive) until it works for them, and then reject.
[05:08] <jerome_> persia : the problem is that in both sources i can find references about that
[05:08] <jerome_> but
[05:08] <jerome_> kino works out of the box with this driver so I'm lost...
[05:12] <persia> jerome_: In that case, I suspect there are (possibly hidden) bugs in both ekiga and pwlib and suggest adding both as tasks to the bug.  It looks to me like kino uses libraw1394 directly, rather than using pwlib
[05:12] <jerome_> persia : ok thank you for your help
[05:13] <persia> jerome_: aptitude show <packagename> will show you all the libraries each package uses, which can be helpful in this type of situation.
[05:15] <jerome_> persia : that's great !
[05:21] <Arby> how do I set a bug to 'wishlist' in launchpad?
[05:22] <jerome_> arby : you have to be in the qa team
[05:23] <Arby> ah
[05:23] <Arby> better go and attempt to join then
[05:23] <jerome_> then you can modify the importance of the bug in the field next to the status field
[05:23] <jerome_> sure
[05:23] <Arby> jerome_: ok that's what I was looking for
[05:23] <jerome_> np
[05:28] <Arby> application submitted
[05:30] <Arby> any idea what the turn around time is on applications to ubuntu-qa?
[05:30] <jerome_> I joined 1 or 2 weeks ago, it took one day
[05:31] <persia> Arby: On the weekends, it takes a few days, as the person in change usually has a busy monday.  If you'd applied on Thursday, it would likely have happened within the day.
[05:31] <Arby> OK no worries it's not urgent
[05:32] <Arby> I'll just collect the bugs and go back to them later
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119706 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Repeated freeze complete freeze 7.04 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119706
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119707 in Ubuntu "apt, aptitude and synaptic crash after accessing /var/lib/dpkg/status" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119707
[06:02] <persia> Arby: What was that bug of which 119707 is a duplicate again?
[06:02] <Arby> let me look
[06:03] <persia> Arby: My apologies.  I made a poor assumption.  It's not actually a dup of the bug I was thinking about.
[06:04] <Arby> persia: no problem
[06:04] <Arby> it does look related to a common problem
[06:04] <Arby> the various install methods don't seem to handle license agreements very nicely
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119708 in xen-source (universe) "xen-source-2.6.19 missing?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119708
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119709 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Gnome Screensaver should not clean the environment before launching demos: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK cannot be used currently" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119709
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #119710 in ngircd (universe) "ngircd Version-Bump to 0.10.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119710
[06:31] <daschl> how can i change the information about a package? .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-defaults/+bug/50480
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50480 in ruby-defaults "Reported version is incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:32] <Arby> daschl: what is it you want to change exactly?
[06:34] <daschl> Arby, well the package "ruby" shows the wrong version number
[06:35] <Arby> oh you mean change the actual version number of the package rather than change the info in that bug report.
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #119711 in gnochm (universe) "[wishlist]  add support for printing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119711
[06:36] <Arby> that would require discussion with the core developers
[06:36] <daschl> because it is not consistent!
[06:37] <Arby> yes it should be changed but you need someoene with more authority than me to get that done :)
[06:37] <daschl> michi@homebase:~$ apt-cache show ruby1.8 | grep ^Version
[06:37] <daschl> Version: 1.8.4-5ubuntu1.2
[06:37] <daschl> Version: 1.8.4-5ubuntu1
[06:37] <daschl> michi@homebase:~$ apt-cache show ruby | grep ^Version
[06:37] <daschl> Version: 1.8.2-1
[06:37] <daschl> with who should i talk about this? i've never fixed a bug in ubuntu
[06:37] <Arby> that's something for the core developers to look at.
[06:38] <Arby> there is a policy for how version numbers are handled
[06:38] <daschl> so who can/should i bother?
[06:38] <Arby> the best bet is probably to post to the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:39] <Arby> since Sunday evening isn't the best time to get people on irc
[06:39] <daschl> i c
[06:39] <daschl> so there is nothing i can do
[06:39] <daschl> really
[06:39] <Arby> not right at this minute no
[06:39] <Arby> you could try contacting the package maintainer and bring it to their attention
[06:40] <Arby> their name is given under 'source package' on the left of that bug report
[06:41] <Arby> I agree that it should be a straight forward-(ish) fix
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #119712 in beryl-core (universe) "More gecko windows of Firefox or Thunderbird are black" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119712
[06:41] <daschl> ok thanks i will contact the maintainer
[06:41] <daschl> its not important for me, i just want to help :)
[06:41] <Arby> help is always welcome
[06:41] <Arby> stick at it and keep asking questions
[06:42] <daschl> thanks Arby .. so where can i find the maintainer? sry
[06:42] <Arby> on the left hand side of that bug report is 'source package ruby-defaults'
[06:43] <Arby> click that and you should see the maintainer name
[06:43] <daschl> aah ic :)
[06:43] <daschl> thanks
[06:44] <Arby> daschl: having had a quick look you may not get much mileage out of them
[06:44] <Arby> their launchpad page is very old
[06:44] <daschl> yes its a japaneese guy i think
[06:44] <Arby> the problem is actually packaging related
[06:44] <daschl> it seems not very active
[06:44] <Arby> so the other place to ask might be #ubuntu-motu
[06:45] <Arby> since the MOTU team are the authority on packaging issues
[06:45] <daschl> lets see if someone is there
[06:46] <Arby> if you don't get a response try again on a weekday
[06:46] <Arby> most people are doing other stuff on a sunday
[06:46] <Arby> and then move on to the next bug :)
[06:46] <Arby> thanks for helping out :
[06:46] <Arby> :)
[06:53] <daschl> thanks Arby :>
[06:54] <Arby> daschl: you're welcome, I hope I'll see more of you around here :)
[06:54] <daschl> Arby, i hope you will ;D .. im a newcomer and i have to learn a lot about ubuntu packaging and stuff, but it would be great if i can help the community :)
[06:55] <Arby> everybody was new once :)
[06:55] <Arby> just keep asking
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #119713 in glibc (main) "GSlice: g_thread_init(). memory corruption" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119713
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119677 in firefox (main) "Don't dispay the current page url on browser location  bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119677
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119715 in Ubuntu "level meter numeric indication" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119715
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #119717 in Ubuntu "i install ubuntu 7.4 32bits and 34bits and the 2 versions habe the same problem, i cant install the wireles card, and audio is work fine until dont actualize, if actualize, the audio dont work ani more, and the video card not work, mi laptp is an gateway mx6453. tanks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119717
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119718 in Ubuntu "Ridiculous slowdown after some heavy CPU usage." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119718
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119719 in kdevelop (universe) "Kate/Kdevelop haves some graphical issues when collapsing lines" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119719
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119720 in brasero (universe) "Brasero doesn't build in fakeroot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119720
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #119722 in Ubuntu "Sound Problem !!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119722
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119724 in Ubuntu "AMD64 Kubuntu: System Settings -> Advanced -> Windows applications is here but does not works " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119724
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #119725 in brasero (universe) "Have pre-defined preference for burning .iso packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119725
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #111566 in adept (main) "adept dist-upgrade now dialog needs choice for do_not_remind_me_again" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111566
[08:52] <Arby> Is bug 109627 an actual bug or a problem with the repository mirror?
[08:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109627 in adept "de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Translation-en_GB does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109627
[08:54] <coNP> a real bug should be reproducible
[08:54] <coNP> this seems to be (at most) a server error
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119729 in update-manager (main) "Could not calculate the upgrade. (Upgrading to Ubuntu 7.04)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119729
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119730 in Ubuntu "Slow SATA HDD performance on Intel ICH7 chipset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119730
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119727 in lighttpd (universe) "Lighttpd in repository is outdated (security!)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119727
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119731 in Ubuntu "E: _cache->open() failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119731
[09:05] <Arby> coNP: thanks, that's what I thought
[09:09] <coNP> yw, Arby
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119732 in Ubuntu "trafshow5 package need" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119732
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119733 in ktorrent (main) "Usability Bug: Unclear priority between user's and automaticaly-managed downloads/uploads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119733
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #119734 in ksynaptics (universe) "synaptics touchpad eratic in gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119734
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #119737 in brasero (universe) "dummy bug to test" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119737
[09:32] <coNP> Mithrandir: may I ping you again with my favorite openbox 3.4 issue?
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #119738 in update-manager (main) "dapper->edgy upgrade fails due to conflict betwen x11-common and opera" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119738
[09:56] <Arby> if a bug affects more than one package how do I specify the second package on the bug report?
[09:56] <Arby> i.e. bug 105224 actually looks like two issues
[09:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105224 in adept "Details on crash not displayed upon click" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105224
[09:56] <Arby> one adept crash and one crash handler not displaying properly
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119739 in libapache-mod-jk (universe) "libapache-mod-jk is vulnerable to CVE-2007-1860" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119739
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119740 in linux-meta (main) "2.6.20-16-generic oopses after trying to mount a bad dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119740
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119741 in Ubuntu "error in package manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119741
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #119742 in linux-kernel-headers (main) ""You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead!"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119742
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #119743 in update-manager (main) "pmstatus konnte nicht installiert werden" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119743
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #119746 in gdb-avr (universe) "Bug in gdb-avr makes simulavr crash." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119746
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #119747 in nautilus (main) "UNC file share notation should also be usable, not just URIs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119747
[10:27] <pochu> Arby: click on "also affects distribution, and then select Ubuntu as distro and the package you want to add.
[10:28] <Arby> pochu: thanks
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #119748 in Ubuntu "CD Burning won't open, no matter how many different blank CDs I put in and click "Make Data CD" i get a message that says Nautilus cannot display "burn:///" Please select another viewer and try again" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119748
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #119750 in gnome-mud (universe) "gnome-mud crashes minutes after startup-100% replicable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119750
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #119752 in gmail-notify (universe) "Merge gmail-notify 1.6.1-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119752
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #119755 in scim (main) "scim works in koffice but not in openoffice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119755
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119756 in Ubuntu "Adding Microsoft mouse makes every key 'alt+key'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119756
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #119758 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox crashes when opening music file - dependencies are not being installed by synaptic/adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119758
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #119760 in ubiquity (main) "ubiquity crashed with IndexError in child()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119760
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119761 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "kmalloc_index() warning on WLAN disconnect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119761
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #119762 in Ubuntu "freezes when ATI Accelerated drivers from restricted drrivers manager is enabled after restart." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119762