[01:51] <jordi> hey
[01:51] <jordi> where should one tickle to get a package synced from Debian?
[01:51] <jordi> apparently, ubuntu still has no openttd (contrib section)
[01:54] <minghua> jordi: I believe you should ask an archive admin
[01:55] <jrib> jordi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess I believe
[01:55] <jordi> okay
[01:55] <minghua> And I think Mithrandir is one.  But it's weekend, so I am not sure he is working on archives now.
[02:00] <jordi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/119631
[02:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119631 in Ubuntu "Please sync "openttd"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:00] <jordi> thanks minghua, jrib 
[02:01] <persia> jordi: openttd?  I can't find that package.
[02:05] <minghua> I think that's probably a relatively new package in Debian (and therefore has never been in Ubuntu before).
[02:06] <persia> minghua: That makes sense.  I guess I just don't understand autosync then.  The part that is especially confusing is that Debian changelog goes back to 2004.
[02:07] <minghua> persia: Oh.  Look at the Debian PTS page then, it shows all the official uploads.
[02:08] <persia> minghua: Right.  Only two.  Odd.  Anyway, test-build in gutsy has been underway for a bit, but I'm puzzled by the package.
[02:09] <minghua> Three uploads, actually, and the first in April 2007: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openttd.html.
[02:10] <minghua> persia: That's why I just point to the archive admins and leave such issues to more experience people. :-)
[02:13] <jordi> minghua: what issue?
[02:13] <persia> OK.  I think that should do it.
[02:14] <jordi> yeah, the package had been maintained outside debian for a while
[02:14] <minghua> jordi: "Syncing contrib packages from Debian", in this case.  Generally, anything involved with archive management (ftp-master work in Debian speak).
[02:14] <jordi> and a few months ago I worked with the author to clean it up and get it ready for Debian
[02:15] <jordi> ah, I see
[02:15] <jordi> I didn't know contrib packages were tricky
[02:16] <minghua> (probably archive admins act as the Debian RM role as well)
[02:27] <jordi> persia: mm, does it need to go to multiverse?
[02:28] <persia> jordi: Perhaps not.  I'll take another look at the license.
[02:29] <jordi> persia: the code is GPL
[02:29] <jordi> it won't run without some origianl, non-free data pack, though
[02:29] <jordi> same case as Quake: the engine is free, but the data isn't
[02:29] <persia> jordi: I think it does, because it depends on the non-free data pack, but I'm not an authority.
[02:30] <persia> jordi: quake2 is in multiverse, so I think so (unless I misunderstand).
[02:31] <jordi> quake2 would be a nice example to follow yes
[02:32] <persia> jordi: OK.  Multiverse it is then.  Thanks for the bug.
[02:33] <jordi> persia: thanks for acking
[04:39] <octoberdan> I want my program to be alerted when a usb device is connected. How would I go about this? Is there a way other then to construct some sort of check loop?
[04:40] <octoberdan> Would I have to write a kernel module?
[04:40] <octoberdan> Is this the wrong place to ask?
[04:40] <mjg59> This isn't really the right place to ask
[04:40] <mjg59> But the easiest thing to do is probably to use hal
[04:40] <mjg59> It'll notify you
[04:43] <octoberdan> Thanks
[04:45] <octoberdan> Where should I be asking a question like this?
[04:46] <mjg59> #hal may be worth a go
[05:56] <DARKGuy> Hey, if I want to submit a fix for Ubuntu for a file in /usr/lib/i18n/ for fixing a timezone, what would I have to do?
[05:56] <DARKGuy> nevermind,I got answered in #ubuntu :Pp
[06:49] <AAE> is ubuntu #1 ?
[06:49] <AAE> for use base
[06:50] <AAE> its a tossup between waiting for solaris 11 getting free bsd or keep on using suse
[06:51] <AAE> or of course getting ubuntu
[06:51] <Hobbsee> i believe you want #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:52] <Fructose> Is there a particularly good server/channel for asking questions related to kernel/driver development?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Fructose: #ubuntu-kernel i believe, but not on a weekend
[06:54] <Fructose> Hobbsee: Hmm. OK. Know of any that aren't distro-specific?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Fructose: um....  maybe #kernel or something?  google should help you out there
[06:55] <Fructose> Hobbsee: Well, I've been trying. Maybe those are weekday-only channels too.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> well, at least for here, the guys employed to work on ubuntu dont tend to do weekends if there isnt a need 
[06:56] <Fructose> I thought maybe the hobbyists might be around on the weekend.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:57] <Hobbsee> it's also european night
[06:57] <Hobbsee> and going into US night
[06:57] <Fructose> That's what caffeine's supposed to be for :-)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> heh ;)
[08:21] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia 
[08:22] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[08:22] <desrt> hello Capspeople
[08:23] <desrt> Capspeoplewithnicksvaguelybasedonlastnames, even
[08:25] <Burgundavia> desrt: actually, my nick is not based on my last name
[08:26] <desrt> Burgundavia; i find your claims suspicious at best
[08:26] <spasticteapot> I just switched from Xubuntu Feisty to Ubuntu Feisty.
[08:26] <Burgundavia> desrt: the name is a bastardization of the place of Burgundy
[08:26] <Burgundavia> hello spasticteapot
[08:26] <spasticteapot> While there seem to be a lot of bugs with Xubuntu (everything keeps crashing), Ubuntu/Gnome seems to be running beautifully.
[08:26] <spasticteapot> Even with my CPU throttled back to 600mhz!
[08:26] <spasticteapot> Nice job!
[08:27] <Burgundavia> spasticteapot: we urge you to report those bus
[08:27] <Burgundavia> bugs, rather
[08:29] <spasticteapot> I'm not quite sure how.
[08:29] <spasticteapot> The biggest problem is that just about everything crashes a lot.
[08:35] <spasticteapot> Oh, sweet!
[08:36] <Hobbsee> desrt: heh
[08:36] <spasticteapot> My cheapie PCMCIA CD-ROM drive works!
[08:36] <spasticteapot> You guys kick ass!
[08:36] <spasticteapot> Aside from bug reports, is there anything I can do to help the Ubuntu project?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> desrt: hello lowercaseperson
[08:41] <Burgundavia> desrt: are you high or merely high on life?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> er, plain insane.  due to planes, of cours.e
[11:20] <pygi> jdong, poke
[11:20] <pygi> hey mvo  ^^_
[11:20] <pygi> ^_^
[11:20] <mvo> hey pygi
[12:13] <Kmos> http://wubuntu.weejewel.net
[12:13] <Kmos> lol
[12:16] <okaratas> hello
[01:08] <jono> disturbing?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> jono: that blue shirt...
[01:08] <jono> which blue shirt?
[01:08] <StevenK> Oh, you didn't have to bring that up.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> jono: the light blue meduxa one
[01:09] <Hobbsee> sorry, guadalinux
[01:09] <jono> oh, you been the GuadaLinex one
[01:09] <jono> heh
[01:09] <Hobbsee> (wrong derivative distro)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> jono: how'd you go with the mentoring?  i never saw the results
[01:09] <jono> I have been informed by more than a few people that I look "hawt" in it
[01:09] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:09] <Hobbsee> were they straight, though?
[01:09] <jono> :P
[01:09] <jono> Hobbsee: straight women
[01:09] <Hobbsee> strange...
[01:10] <jono> Hobbsee: thanks
[01:10] <StevenK> Hmph! pbuilder, stop telling lies!
[01:10] <Hobbsee> jono: anytime.
[01:10] <StevenK> libwibble-dev *is* installable.
[01:10] <jono> right I am off
[01:10] <jono> catch you later :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> heh, dont answer my question then.
[01:10] <jono> Hobbsee: I am not at work, its Sunday
[01:10] <jono> :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> oh, point.
[01:10] <jono> later
[01:11] <Hobbsee> bye!
[01:11] <jono> I work too many weekends, but not this one
[01:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:13] <StevenK> Ah! It is installable, it just doesn't meet the version requirements.
[01:34] <pygi> mr_pouit, poke :)
[01:42] <shawarma> Can any of you make any sense of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/30051 ?
[01:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30051 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Iptables or Kernel BUG" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[01:43] <Fujitsu> shawarma: He seems to be disappearing some further hell things, but I can't make much sense of any of iti.
[01:43] <shawarma> LOL
[01:44] <shawarma> Fujitsu: I tried reading it some many times now, but I just can't make any sense of it.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Neither can I.
[01:50] <fabbione> makes no sense at all and never seen that problem in my life
[01:50] <fabbione> he is clearly mixing the concept of routing with the concept of firewall/nat
[01:50] <fabbione> not a bug...
[01:50] <fabbione> IME
[01:51] <fabbione> and probably his rules are not injected in the proper order
[01:52] <fabbione> so the packets don't hit the proper rule
[01:52] <fabbione> and bang
[01:53] <shawarma> fabbione: thanks for looking at it. 
[01:53] <fabbione> shawarma: no problem... btw you need to visit the CPH office soon...
[01:53] <fabbione> shawarma: now with swimming pool :)
[01:53] <fabbione> small one.. but still good enough to lay inside and hold a laptop
[01:53] <Hobbsee> fabbione! 
[01:53] <shawarma> fabbione: Wicked!
[01:54] <fabbione> shawarma: it's a 2.5m diameter circle, about 80cm deep
[01:54] <fabbione> perfect for hacking with this weather
[01:54] <fabbione> Hobbsee: yeah well.. you need a proper laptop ;)
[01:55] <shawarma> fabbione: Man, I could really use a nice cool swimming pool right now.
[01:55] <fabbione> anyway i am off.. back to the swimming pool
[01:55] <fabbione> shawarma: why do you think i bought one and almost got divorced in less than 24 hours? :P
[01:55] <fabbione> stop nerding
[01:55] <fabbione> i am off
[01:55] <fabbione> later
[01:55] <shawarma> Right. Cheers.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> fabbione: heh
[01:57] <shawarma> Whenever the subject of questions during installation comes up, people (including myself) commonly refer to some Ubuntu policy about not asking a lot of questions during install. Is this the kind of policy that has never been written down, but we all sort of have a common understanding of or does it actually exist in writing somewhere?
[01:59] <mr_pouit> pygi: pong
[02:00] <pygi> mr_pouit, I'll fix it today
[02:00] <mr_pouit> ok
[02:02] <linnuxxy> where can I find a tutorial about creating a new gfxboot theme... i did googled but didn't found any!
[02:02] <pygi> mr_pouit, I'll need to rebuild brasero because of that. Silly me =)
[02:03] <mr_pouit> :>
[02:03] <pygi> just you laugh :P
[02:04] <mr_pouit> pygi: in libisofs, there's also an unneeded directory iirc
[02:04] <pygi> mr_pouit, which one? :P
[02:04] <mr_pouit> something like /usr/share/doc/libburn
[02:04] <pygi> yea, yea, I'll fix =)
[02:04] <mr_pouit> ;P
[02:04] <pygi> I suck, I know :P
[02:07] <mr_pouit> ^^'
[02:15] <persia> shawarma: I've made a short summary at http://pastebin.ca/555714.  More vaguely, it was a design goal for Dapper, and is being maintained going forward.
[02:16] <glisse_> hey mjg59 i found you :)
[02:17] <shawarma> It still just refers to "the policy". What I'm actually interested in is a) the wording of said policy or b) an acknowledgmement that said policy has never actually been written down.
[02:17] <glisse_> mjg59: i have uploaded a new r500 driver see the channel for url it works here on my mbp would like to know if it works for you too :)
[02:19] <persia> shawarma: Sorry then.  I can't confirm b), and have not found an authoritative source for a).
[02:19] <mjg59> glisse_: Sweet!
[02:21] <shawarma> persia: Alright. Thanks for trying!
[02:22] <persia> shawarma: I'm certain I saw discussion about it during the Dapper timeframe, but I can't find it now.  You might also try searching the ubuntu-devel archives during the late Breezy or early Dapper cycle.
[02:25] <shawarma> persia: I thought it had been policy since the very beginning?
[02:25] <persia> shawarma: Also, see Debian Policy 3.9.1, which is only a "should".
[02:26] <Hobbsee> shawarma: have you asked colin about it?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> shawarma: seeing as he's done a lot of work on the installer and such?
[02:26] <persia> shawarma: It may have been general policy, but I don't think great effort was put into fixing it for everyone until Breezy/Dapper - before then was a lot of new upstream integration work, etc.  Then again, my memory could be faulty.
[02:26] <shawarma> Hobbsee: No, I just assumed he'd be on weekend.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> shawarma: true that - i meant on a weekday
[02:27] <shawarma> Hobbsee: No, the question didn't pop into my head until late Friday night.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> shawarma: just blame mneptok 
[02:28] <Hobbsee> shawarma: and make mneptok find out for you.
[02:35] <bhale> Hobbsee: *sad puppy face*
[02:36] <Hobbsee> bhale: doesnt work.  you've got to be very good for those to work
[02:36] <bhale> Hobbsee: I am!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:37] <Hobbsee> you'll have to try it in person, i guess
[02:52] <geser> are the buildds on holidays?
[03:38] <main2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/119696 :P
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119696 in Ubuntu "System goes back into standby after it resumed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:46] <pygi> sivang, you sleeping again? :)
[05:47] <sivang> pygi: nope
[05:47] <pygi> good, you're advancing :)
[08:36] <EliasAmaral> Is there any way Ubuntu can have an open command like the one in Mac OS X? (It's described here: http://www.ss64.com/osx/open.html )
[08:36] <EliasAmaral> basically, open would open any file "just as if you had double-clicked the file's icon."
[08:37] <EliasAmaral> it could be integrated with gnome's "open with.." in ubuntu or kde's similar system in kubuntu. or, ubuntu could have a single open system, like mac os x..
[08:38] <ion_> xdg-open
[08:40] <EliasAmaral> !!
[08:40] <EliasAmaral> ... why isn't this installed by default? :~
[08:42] <josephus> I'm trying to generate the Packages file for a modified ubuntu-installer cd using dpkg-scanpackages with override.feisty.main but the Packages file will miss the Task fields and the installation will fail
[08:42] <josephus> Is there any other way to do that?
[08:52] <josephus> found it
[08:56] <Keybuk> EliasAmaral: it, err, is?
[08:56] <EliasAmaral> Keybuk, not in my feisty
[08:57] <EliasAmaral> $ xdg-open
[08:57] <EliasAmaral> The program 'xdg-open' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[08:57] <EliasAmaral> sudo apt-get install xdg-utils
[08:57] <Keybuk> it's a dep of evince, no?
[08:58] <Keybuk> ahh, maybe it's gutsy it's installed by default
[08:58] <EliasAmaral> $ apt-cache showpkg evince|grep xdg-open
[08:58] <EliasAmaral> nothing
[08:58] <EliasAmaral> Keybuk, hmmm, that's nice :)
[08:59] <EliasAmaral> (well, the command would be $ apt-cache showpkg evince|grep xdg-info, but this returns nothing too)
[08:59] <Keybuk> I just looked at the germinate rdepends output
[09:00] <EliasAmaral> germinate?
[09:00] <Keybuk> what we use to decide what's in main, universe, on the CD, etc.
[09:00] <pochu> Removing xdg-open in Gutsy needs to remove xdg-utils too.
[09:01] <pochu> But it's not a depend of any ubuntu meta package.
[09:01] <Keybuk> not directly
[09:01] <johanbr> ubuntu-desktop depends on evince which depends on libdjvulibre15 which depends on xdg-utils.
[09:01] <Keybuk> it's useful enough though, and already an indirect depend
[09:01] <Keybuk> I've made it a recommends anyway
[09:03] <EliasAmaral> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2007-June/030835.html this has any relevance to ubuntu?
[09:03] <Keybuk> no idea
[09:03] <Keybuk> Linux uses ALSA
[09:17] <main2> damn, feisty must have some nasty problems under the hood :X
[09:17] <main2> when logging out, on a lot of systems -> the screen goes 'black'
[09:18] <main2> weird problem on my system is that after the feisty installation, on the first boot
[09:18] <main2> fsck always runs, and fails right away (cant see what errors etc > its going way to quick)
[09:19] <main2> dnno... the UNiversal E-IDE Driver is used on my system (it gets a SDA node .......)
[09:20] <main2> looks like the mount-point isnt released?
[09:20] <main2> are there any reports of this?
[09:20] <theCore> main2: you shouldn't ask here, btw. Read the /topic
[09:21] <main2> theCore, sorry mate, but in #ubuntu i only hear
[09:21] <main2> "i have these problems toooo"
[09:22] <main2> and because there more then a handful of devs around here, i was like > maybe we can discuss these points
[09:23] <main2> ..pro active attitude..
[09:25] <main2> I also have the idea that there is an endless list problems going on with those proprietary video-card drivers, maybe i should open some threads on the ubuntu forums
[09:26] <main2> already opened some reports on launchpad fyi
[09:29] <hunger> Is X.org currently borked in gutsy?
[09:30] <hunger> I got a really simple demo that just displays a table in a window and inserts rows into that... and all of a sudden this demo causes the X server to eat 100% CPU and it is *SLOW*.
[09:34] <Arby> hunger: my kubuntu gutsy was fine earlier
[09:34] <hunger> Arby: Hmmm... I'll try to investigate.
[09:34] <Arby> I'd be happy to try your demo if you can put it somewhere i can get it.
[09:35] <hunger> Arby: Sorry, that is not possible. It uses a proprietary lib.
[09:35] <Arby> oh well, nevermind
[09:38] <theCore> main2: what is the bug report number?
[09:39] <main2> theCore, to what relation?
[09:39] <main2> i summed up a few things..
 already opened some reports on launchpad fyi
[09:40] <main2> > well, one of them is > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/119696
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119696 in Ubuntu "System goes back into standby after it resumed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[09:40] <main2> but thats low priority..
[09:41] <main2> let me get you another one..
[09:41] <theCore> main2: no, I would like to get the one about fsck
[09:42] <main2> o, i didnt create one for that issue yet -> because it went soooooo fast
[09:42] <main2> i mean, i cant perform a reinstall to see one message over again..........
[09:42] <main2> i had to reinstall feisty a few times on my system this week (went from 32bit to 64 -> back to 32)
[09:43] <main2> and thats what i noticed > after rebooting properly (when the setup was fully done)
[09:43] <main2> 3 times, a failed fsck ....... > the big red (blinking?) letters in my screen wake me up.. if you know what im saying
[09:44] <main2> (im using original canonical cd's, on a system with good memory > tested with memtest86)
[09:45] <main2> it reboots after the fsck fails, thats what makes it so hard for me to get the message..
[09:49] <Arby> main2: fsck writes logs to /var/log/fsck/checkfs
[09:49] <Arby> might be worth a look if you can get to it
[09:52] <main2> nothing special in there?, well.. http://www.pastebin.ca/556850  
[09:52] <main2> i think i do remember something about those messages:
[09:52] <main2> it had to do with a 'date in future' 
[09:52] <Arby> looking
[09:52] <main2> (dnno on what level.. i guess file level, sinds blocks dont have a date? > or maybe a journal date)
[09:53] <main2> if you see some text in a flickering....
[09:53] <main2> Sun Jun 10 20:59:36 2007
[09:53] <main2> on itself is a future date for me
[09:54] <main2> its 19:54pm here, im dutch
[09:54] <main2> and the date of my machine hasnt changed the last few days (definitly not)
[09:54] <main2> its definitly some weird thing going on, which i would know more about WHAT exactly is going on
[10:33] <calc> cjwatson: good evening
[10:43] <simo1> hello!
[11:54] <LaserJock> afternoon everybody
[11:55] <pygi> or night LaserJock :)