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lionelman-di: still arround ?12:25
man-dilionel: yes, but I found out12:25
lionelok, sorry, I was afk 12:26
man-dilionel: when 1.2.23-1 has entered testing I will do an upload to unstable which incorporates all your changes12:26
man-dilionel: np at all12:26
lionelman-di: you rock :)12:27
man-dilionel: perhaps we should think about security updates for feisty and other dists12:28
man-dilionel: aka CVE-2007-186012:29
ubotumod_jk in Apache Tomcat JK Web Server Connector 1.2.x before 1.2.23 decodes request URLs within the Apache HTTP Server before passing the URL to Tomcat, which allows remote attackers to access protected pages via a crafted prefix JkMount, possibly involving double-encoded .. (dot dot) sequences and directly traversal, a related issue to CVE-2007-0450. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-1860)12:29
man-dilionel: that is a one-line fix12:29
lionelah great, I did not look at the diff (a bit buzzy at work those days)12:30
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EmanonI'm looking for alpha-testers for a package I'm writing (supposed to work a little like Apple's TimeMachine): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46904912:36
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EmanonIs there a pool of testers for Ubuntu somewhere online? Or is there another way of doing it?12:39
lionelEmanon: the best place for finding testers is probabily the forum12:43
Emanonlionel: You suggest just trying to generate some community interest?12:46
lionelyes12:47
coNPEmanon: I think people hanging around in #ubuntu+1 might want to alpha/beta test software :) not that I want to encourage you to off-topic some channel :)12:47
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yoschhi guys12:49
EmanonThanks guys. But I think it might be a good idea if there was a pool of a few dozen testers to be available for people trying to introduce new packages to Ubuntu - perhaps people that want to help with development but not interested in programming themselves...12:49
Emanonhi12:49
yoschtrying to do my first revu upload and I get a connection refused12:49
coNPEmanon: based on the pacakge description people in #ubuntu-server might also be interested12:49
lionelEmanon: it's difficult to have a pool of people who are interested in testing all king of software12:50
lionelkind12:50
EmanoncoNP: Sound like a good idea - thanks12:50
persiayosch: Do you only have a problem with dput, or can you also not reach http://revu.tauware.de?12:50
yoschI'm in ubuntu-universe-contributors, on the wiki page it says loging = anomymous for dput config12:51
yoschpersia: I can reach the website with a browser12:51
Emanonlionel: What if there was a sub-forum under programming where developers could post test requests. That way, those with some willingness might be encouraged to pick and choose what they want to test.12:52
persiayosch: Great.  The machine is up, and you can route to it :)  Now, if you ftp to revu.tauware.de directly, can you log in with username "ftp" and a password matching the primary email address on the GPG key you have registered with launchpad?12:53
lionelEmanon: that was my idea12:53
yoschpersia: I get this dput error: urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error (111, 'Connection refused')12:53
Emanonlionel: Didn't mean to steal it from you ;)12:53
yoschpersia: OK, I'll try that, thanks12:53
yoschpersia: yeah I'm in and I can see the incoming directory12:56
yoschpersia: should I put my package in there directly then?12:56
yoschI'm packaging a nice open font with sources: http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html  (I have a Debian ITP on it too, just waiting for a sponsor there)12:58
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persiayosch: Don't put it there directly: if there are timing issues with your upload, it could break, and require REVU admin intervention to fix.  A manual ftp was just to make sure that your connection worked.  I'd try dput again, making sure to use `dput revu ...`, as I don't see why you should get that error.12:59
yoschwhich makes me ask the following question: is it OK to keep unstable in the changelog? or does it need changing?12:59
yoschpersia: OK12:59
persiayosch: Ah.  The latest changelog entry must target the current Ubuntu development environment, and the version should be an Ubuntu version.  Your statement of "keep unstable" makes me wonder: is this a new package, or an adjustment to an existing package?01:00
yoschpersia: let's say this package will also be backported to dapper/edgy/feisty?01:00
jribhi, anyone interested in reviewing a python module?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=544401:00
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persiayosch: Backports don't happen through REVU.  If it's in the archives, follow the backport request process (see the wiki) to request a backport.01:01
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yoschpersia: it's a new package the Debian ITP: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=39690601:02
ubotuDebian bug 396906 in wnpp "ITP: inconsolata -- Monospace font designed for code listings" [Wishlist,Open]  01:02
jribAlso, debuild seems to automatically create debian/pycompat even though the docs for pysupport say it isn't needed01:03
persiayosch: OK.  Just wanted to make sure REVU was the right place.  If it's likely to get into Debian in the next couple weeks, it might be easier to wait for a sync.01:03
yoschpersia: OK, so in my changelog: instead of  (001.006-2) unstable   I'd have  (001.006-3ubuntu) gutsy ?01:04
yoschyes I'd rather not have too much of a delta01:04
persiayosch: "-3ubuntu1", but otherwise yes.  If you don't want delta, wait for it to get into Debian, and file a sync request.01:04
yoschI'm part both of the Debian Alioth and the LP fonts team, and I need to know the best way to handle this01:05
persiayosch: Sorry - that's "-2ubuntu1".01:05
yoschpersia: so keep the current 2 for Debian release and add a sub release number after ubuntu01:05
persiayosch: I recommend syncs, because then the package only has to be maintained in one place.  It's only worthwhile generating an Ubuntu version if there are differences between the Debian and Ubuntu packages.01:06
persiayosch: Right.  That way, if -3 is published in Debian, and there is no important Ubuntu delta, a sync can be requested.01:06
yoschpersia: Ok syncs then.01:07
yoschhat's the process for asking a sync again?01:07
yoschs/hat's/what's/01:07
yoschand what's the policy on importing changelog entries into upstream Debian: say an ubuntu devs modifies a synced package, produces a patch, increments the changelog, what do you recommend happens with these added changelog entries in upstream Debian?01:09
persiayosch: If it gets published to Debian before 21st June, the sync should be automatic.  If not, it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess.  A nice example sync request bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thuban/+bug/11413701:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114137 in thuban "Please sync thuban 1.2.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  01:10
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yoschpersia: OK, thanks a lot. You've been very helpful :)01:11
persiayosch: I've seen several ways of applying Ubuntu changes to Debian, but I recommend something like http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/slashem/current/changelog with "Thanks to <Ubuntu person>".01:12
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yoschpersia: OK will do that01:16
persiayosch: Of course, only use "sync" when taking all the changes.  "merge" is better when only taking some changes.01:17
yoschpersia: is the merge process described somewhere?01:18
persiayosch: I've never seen any docs for the process to merge Ubuntu changes into Debian.  Generally, Debian maintainers prefer that Ubuntu packagers add patches to the BTS when making changes.  For merging Debian changes into Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging01:20
persiayosch: If you think documentation for merging Ubuntu changes into Debian would be useful, I'd recommend getting in touch with the utnubu team, and maybe getting something up in the alioth wiki.01:20
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minghuautnubu project has a mailing list, BTW01:27
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persiabug 118964 seems to have passed a couple ubuntu-archive runs without processing.  Would someone mind taking a look, and letting me know if I need more information?02:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118964 in csound "Please drop csound & cecilia from ia64 and amd64" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11896402:24
chillywillythere's no resitricted modules for the Xen kernel?02:32
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chillywillyif I have a router/firewa/gateway box running Dapper is it ok to go straight to Fesity ;P03:08
chillywillyfirewall03:08
chillywillyor should I go to edgy first?03:08
Nafallochillywilly: edgy first03:08
chillywillyI'd like to play with the Xen support03:08
chillywillyok03:08
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octoberdanNafallo: Why go to edgy first?03:19
joejaxxreduces the chance of breakage? :)03:20
Nafallooctoberdan: since dapper -> dapper+2 isn't supported.03:21
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chillywillyI am sure lots of stuff will break...that box also runs a mail server03:50
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joejaxxchillywilly: are you sure you want to risk the chance of it breaking with it running so many vital services?04:24
joejaxx:P04:24
chillywillyjoejaxx: it's my home gateway/firewall/router box04:31
chillywillynice, a c++ exception thrown04:33
chillywillycourier-authdaemon04:33
chillywillycore dumped...04:34
chillywillybah04:34
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chillywillyit's not my fault04:37
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chillywillyI know I dealt with this before04:43
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statikhi! I just created my first package, and joined ubuntu-universe-contributors. I've read that the next step is to ask REVU admins to re-synce the REVU uploaders keyring so that I can upload to revu. Anyone around that do this for me?09:03
crimsunstatik: running.09:06
statikthanks09:06
Hobbseecrimsun: it's kinda broken - or was yesterday09:10
crimsunyeah, he's going to check with newz2000 on Monday09:10
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statiksilly questions is there a tool or script to help format changelog entries?09:10
ranfhi09:10
jmgdebchange09:11
statikjmg: thanks09:11
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man-digood morning09:36
man-diwhen a sync is ACKed, is it done automatically?09:36
persiaman-di: No.  An archive admin needs to process it manually.  They usually process the bugs once or twice a week.09:38
man-dipersia: Thx09:39
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tritiumcrimsun: the email account on my GPG key is no longer valid.  What's the best thing to do to update it?10:27
crimsuntritium: I would use gpg --edit-key D838A34110:29
tritiumcrimsun: and add a new account?  Revoke the old one?10:29
crimsunjust use the `adduid' option, then use the `primary' option to toggle the newly created one as the primary one, then use the `deluid' option to remove the old one, then `save' and `quit'.10:31
crimsunthen upload the amended key directly to keyserver.ubuntu.com10:31
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tritiumHmm, okay.  Now, I just have to pick the new primary one.  I've got a yahoo and a gmail account.  All my other addresses are forwarding addresses only.10:32
tritiumThanks you, crimsun.10:32
crimsunwell, yes revuid is useful in this case10:32
crimsunI don't use revuid because my accts don't expire; I don't want them disappearing under me10:33
crimsunif you mean that your email address no longer exists, then it's a better idea to use revuid10:34
tritiumI guess it doesn't make sense to add one of my forwarding-only addresses, right?10:34
crimsunsure it does10:34
tritiumYes, my @purdue.edu no longer exists10:34
persiatritium: If you have a forwarding address that you are sure will always exist, it's probably the best choice for the primary key.10:34
persias/key/uid/10:34
tritiumNo kidding?  I thought I couldn't sign anything with a forwarding-only address...10:34
Hobbsee*shit*10:35
tritiumpersia: if that's the case, I feel much better!10:35
tritiumHi Hobbsee10:35
Hobbseehi tritium 10:35
Hobbseebugger.10:36
persiatritium: Your key is about identity, not email.  On the other hand, if you can't send masquerading as your forwarding address, you should have your sending address as an alternate uid, or people may not believe you are really you, and instead thing your key has been compromised.10:36
tritiumpersia: thank you.  That clears up some of the confusion I had.10:36
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crimsunit might be of interest to note that many MOTU use forwarding emails in debian/changelog entries10:38
crimsun(and of course, there're @debian.org)10:38
Hobbseepresumably there's no way to remove revoked UIDs off the key?10:38
tritiumI believe gmail may allow me to send masquerading10:38
Hobbseeas in, to not show them?10:38
tritium(as my forwarding address)10:38
crimsunHobbsee: it's problematic; you need to use revuid and ensure the propagation of the new key10:38
persiaHobbsee: Once you've uploaded a key to the keyservers, it's almost impossible to delete anything, and even if it were possible, the keyserver maintainers would try to stop you.10:39
Hobbseecrimsun: i've already used revuid, it's showin gas revoked.10:39
crimsunyes, that's the extent of it10:39
Hobbseeah right, so you cant actually delete, and not show it on there at all10:39
Hobbseeokay then10:40
persiaHobbsee: That's by design.  The idea is that if you once used hobbsee@myfavoritewebmail.org, and later stopped, you would revoke the uid.  When someone else starts using that email address, everyone knows it's not you.10:41
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tritiumSo, I'll use revuid, then.10:41
Hobbseepersia: fair enough10:41
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crimsunspeaking of which, it's about time for that yearly update10:42
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crimsunexpires: 2007-06-26.  Yep, right around the corner.10:43
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crimsunI'm a bit paranoid about it; when I croak, I want it to invalidate automatically.10:44
crimsunTakes care of those pesky "premature death" situations.10:44
tritiumoh, crimsun...10:45
crimsunhmm?10:45
Hobbseei suspect that people will *notice* if i get killed.10:45
crimsunyes, but will your next of kin revoke your key(s) and upload in a timely fashion? ;)10:46
Hobbseeheh10:46
Hobbseepoint10:46
Hobbseei'm not sure hwo the ubuntu community would then find out about my death, unless one of them killed me, although i'd expect friends of mine from the ubuntu community to actually say something.  *shrugs*10:47
tritiumI hope my wife would figure out how to send you all my regards, should I pass away.10:48
tritiumBut, if that doesn't happen, know now that I'd have wanted her to.10:48
crimsunI plan to be reinserted into the matrix.  Err, wrong universe.10:48
Hobbseei think it would also be fairly obvious if one of the ubuntu-type people called my mobile, and got told that way.10:49
StevenKcrimsun: So you attach the Revokation to your will and instruct your executur to make sure that it gets uploaded to a keyserver within 24 hours of hearing about it.10:52
crimsunoh, right.10:52
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AnAntHello,10:52
AnAntI am making a package for some software10:52
StevenKcrimsun: I mean, that sounds sensible to me.10:52
AnAntproblem is that the orig. tarball contains binary file, how to deal with that situation ?10:53
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StevenKBinary how?10:53
StevenKBinary as in blob of stuff, or binary as in pre-compiled binary for a specific platform?10:54
AnAntStevenK: pre compiled10:55
AnAntStevenK: for i38610:55
RainCTHi10:57
persiaAnAnt: Does the program work without that binary, or do you have source to regenerate the binary?10:57
AnAntpersia: I have the source to regenerate binary  in the same tarball10:58
persiaAnAnt: Just delete the binary in the clean: rule.  Leave it in the orig tarball.10:58
AnAntpersia: and during build, the binary can be removed using make clean10:58
AnAntic, ok10:58
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jekilhello11:05
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tritiumIf I've designated a new uid as primary, it has a "*" next to it, correct?11:08
Hobbseethat just means "you've selected me"11:08
Hobbseeiirc11:09
Hobbseeie, dont do a deluid or a revuid straight after - else it will revoke whatever you've said11:09
tritiumokay, thanks, Hobbsee11:09
AnAntpersia: btw, the clean: rule you meant was in Makefile or debian/rules file ?11:09
persiaAnAnt: If you're going to tell upstream that the files should be deleted, I'd recommend patching the Makefile, and sending the patch upstream.  If you're having trouble with upstream communication, or upstream doesn't accept patches, use debian/rules.11:11
AnAntok11:16
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persiaAnAnt: More verbosely: not deleting the binaries in the clean rule is a bug in the upstream build system (everything generated by the build system should be deleted in clean).  Patches are best for upstream bugs.  debian/rules allows one to work around broken upstream, but more people look at debian/rules, so fixing upstream mistakes should only be done there when upstream won't.11:18
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AnAntpersia: ok, there is a clean rule in upsteam's Makefile that removes the binaries, so I don't need to do anything in debian/rules, right ?11:19
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persiaAnAnt: You need to call `make clean`, but that's recommended by default anyway, so you probably don't have to change it.11:21
AnAntok11:21
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tritiumHobbsee: did you use seahorse when you deleted your UID?  I can't find a revuid option in seahorse.11:26
Hobbseeno11:26
Hobbseei dont use gnome11:26
tritiumoh, that's right...11:26
tritiumokay, got it revoked via cli.  So, I don't want to delete it, eh?11:28
Hobbseedeleting doesnt seem to work11:28
persiatritium: If you delete it, the keyservers will restore it.11:28
tritiumokay, thanks, persia11:29
persiatritium: For future note, if you ever use keys that are not public, deleting is useful.  It's just the public web of trust that prevents it.11:30
tritiumgotcha, thanks11:31
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Hobbseepersia: uploaded x311:42
=== persia notes that the fact that distributed vlc doesn't compile with libflac8 has been added to the issues attempting to be resolved by bug 119016, and that people with pending changes to vlc might want to hijack the bug, as it was intended as a no-changes library rebuild.
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119016 in vlc "vlc-nox depends on missing libpostproc0d" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11901611:42
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persiaHobbsee: Enchained will be very happy.11:43
Hobbseeyep :)11:43
persiaHobbsee: Did you also archive them and send the REVU mail?11:44
Hobbseeyep11:44
Hobbseewell, almost11:44
persiaHobbsee: Excellent.  I won't worry about it then.  Thanks.11:44
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tritiumpersia: can you please check my key on https://launchpad.net/~mrimbert, and see if it looks like I did it right?11:45
persiatritium: I'm about to run out of time, but I'll glance at it quickly.11:45
tritiumthanks11:45
persiaalumni looks to be the default, but I'm out of time.  Sorry.11:46
tritiumno problem.  thanks11:46
Hobbseepersia: right.  done done ;)11:46
jekilsomeone can review please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=545011:53
persiatritium: Sorry about that.  Yes, alumni is default, and purdue is revoked.  You can see a nice report from http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x8B9A47A2D838A34111:54
persiaHobbsee: Thanks.11:54
persiajekil: sure11:54
tritiumThanks, persia :)11:55
jekilthank you persia 12:02
persiajekil: I still like it, but you might want to add a comment in debian/copyright detailing the license of the Debian packaging.12:04
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jekilpersia: ok, thanks12:04
persiajekil: If you plan to do that, I'll wait to advocate.  If you are assigning copyright for the packaging to upstream, and want to use their license, I'll hit this upload.12:05
jekilpersia: yes i do it12:06
persiajekil: OK.  Let me know when you have a new upload :)12:06
jekilpersia: thanks :)12:06
jamyskishi everyone12:08
jamyskishi again persia12:08
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jamyskisdoes anyone know the version of liballegro that will be included in gutsy?12:09
jamyskisthe existing one has the version number appended to the name which is a problem if 4.3 will be included12:09
jamyskisi've gotten the error configure-generated-file-in-source config.log from lintian but i can't find config.cache or config.status anywhere12:16
man-dijamyskis: rm config.log12:16
jamyskisman-di: doesn't exist12:17
persiajamyskis: Based on previous upstream history, probably 4.3.1, although past performance is not an indication of future releases.12:18
jekilpersia: what is the format of the licenso of the debian packaging? Packaging license: blablabla? I can't found an example12:18
jamyskispersia: so what should i put in for build-depends because that will affect the liballegro4.2 or liballegro4.3 dependency12:19
jamyskisliballegro4.3 doesn't work anyway but if i put liballegro4.2 then gutsy will have problems12:19
jamyskisi can't count on there being a transitional package12:19
man-dijamyskis: it does somewhere12:20
man-dijamyskis: otherwise lintian wouldnt have complained12:20
persiajamyskis: For now, use liballegro4.2-dev.  When 4.3 is available, process as a library transition.  Based on the package naming, it looks like 4.2 and 4.3 will both be available in gutsy (unless we're all very busy trying to fix it).12:20
jamyskispersia: ok, got it12:21
jamyskisman-di: i've done a search twice on anything with config.log config.cache or config.status in the entire upstream source directory (including debian files) 12:22
jamyskisthere's nothing there12:22
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man-dijamyskis: perhaps its removed meanwhile12:22
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jamyskisman-di12:22
jamyskisman-di: maybe12:23
man-dijamyskis: but its definitely in the sources checked by lintian12:23
jamyskisman-di: i've included rm -f config.log in the clean rule anyway12:23
man-dijamyskis: e.g. in the *.diff.gz12:23
man-dijamyskis: normally you should not need that12:23
man-dijamyskis: it only stays when you stop ./configure while its working12:24
man-dior when it fails in between12:24
jamyskisfound em - they're in the upstream orig.tar.gz12:25
man-dijamyskis: oh, thats really evil12:26
man-dijamyskis: you should tell upstream to remove it for next release12:26
jamyskisnote to self: remove config.log and config.status for next release12:26
man-dijamyskis: you are upstream?12:26
jamyskisman-di: yp12:26
man-dijamyskis: you are using autotools?12:27
jamyskisman-di: yep12:27
man-diuse "make dist" to create a release tarball12:27
man-dithis should create a clean tarball12:27
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AnAntare there issues with globbing in Makefiles ?12:28
persiaAnAnt: Depends on ${SHELL}.  It7s safest to avoid bashisms.12:29
jamyskisok i give up12:30
AnAntpersia: is *[^~]  bashism ?12:30
jamyskisi think i'll just stick to distributing my stuff in .tar.gz form12:30
persiaAnAnt: I'm never sure - run `dash` to check :)12:31
persiajamyskis: Why?12:31
AnAntok12:31
jamyskispersia: i managed to fix the problem i had yesterday with it installing in /usr/doc from source12:31
jamyskispersia: it works fine installing in /usr/share/doc with ./configure make make install12:32
persiajamyskis: Great!12:32
man-dijamyskis: I dont like to say this but mostly such problem come when upstream has some issues12:32
jamyskispersia: but pbuilder insists on installing it in /usr/doc12:32
man-dijamyskis: send me your upstream tarball and I can have a look at it: konqueror@gmx.de12:33
persiajamyskis: There's probably still something funny with autotools then.  The advantage of having (or being) a maintainer of a debian-style package is that you'll get lots of feedback on how to make a clean tar.gz release.12:33
persiaOf course, it's easier when someone else is the maintainer :)12:33
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jamyskispersia: thanks...i'll just take another look through and then i'll send it12:37
persiajamyskis: Thank man-di - I'm just blathering :)12:38
TheDumbo!seen seveas12:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen seveas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:38
jamyskispersia man-di: sorry my bad :)12:38
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jamyskisman-di: bear with me i'm going to extract the source docs and data and build the anjuta project from scratch12:43
man-dijamyskis: take your time12:47
man-dijamyskis: I have plenty of other stuff to do ;-)12:47
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persiaDo comments in REVU notify the uploader in any way?12:49
Hobbseeno12:49
persiaHobbsee: OK.  Thanks.  You don't happen to know where to file wishlist requests for REVU2, do you?12:50
StevenKIn siretart's head?12:50
Hobbseepersia: code is in bzr, i believe.  or siretart can give you access if you're interested in working on it12:50
StevenKI wonder if REVU2 would be better done in Rails.12:51
persiaHobbsee: Thanks, but I'm not that interested :)12:51
StevenKGiven mod-python is hell to work with.12:51
persiaStevenK: Thanks.  I'll file some bugs there then.12:51
StevenKpersia: Hrm?12:52
persia(21:50:46) StevenK: In siretart's head?12:52
StevenKAhhhh12:52
jamyskisBLOODY ANJUTA!12:55
jamyskisi've just figured out what it was doing the whole time12:55
tsmitheStevenK, python is great for web!!12:56
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jamyskisi had Copying, README, AUTHORS etc. included in the docs section of the project when you're actually supposed to use the ones included in the upstream rootr12:56
jamyskis*root12:56
tsmithei use lighttpd with scgi/fastcgi, and a wsgi framework; and it works swell!12:56
persiatsmithe: Don't bother.  StevenK actually understands apache :)12:56
tsmitheoh darn12:57
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tsmithebut i'm saying you don't need to use mod-python... or apache!12:58
tsmithei guess you already knew that though12:58
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DarkSun88Hi01:07
Hobbseehiya01:07
DarkSun88Hi Hobbsee 01:07
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jamyskispersia, man-di: i got it - Anjuta was rewriting the Makefile.am which was installing the docs in /usr/doc/pkgname01:24
jamyskisi just locked the overwrite of the top level Makefile.am and it installed from source without a hitch01:25
jamyskisin all the right places01:25
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KmosStevenK: that will have problems with dash01:28
Kmos:)01:28
jamyskisi made that mistake often enough01:29
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jamyskishow long do the extended description lines in control have to be again? 60 or 80?01:33
DarkSun88Long description 60 lines01:34
jamyskisDarkSun88: thanks01:34
man-diDarkSun88: I really wonder which packages have long descriptions with 60 or more lines01:36
man-diWhere can I find an uptodate multidistrotools version?01:37
DarkSun88I don't know. Sorry01:37
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persiaman-di: Does `bzrbranchhttp://ox.blop.info/bazaar/multidistrotools/` not work?01:38
man-dipersia: last time I looked it didnt01:38
man-diat least it was not uptodate01:39
Fujitsuman-di: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/multidistrotools/ is pretty much the main branch at the moment.01:39
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StevenK  * Use bash to call extract_syms.sh, it's full of bashisms, and worse, was01:39
StevenK    pulled from libtool code.01:39
FujitsuMine might have a revision or two that that doesn't, but most are merged into LaserJock's.01:39
man-diFujitsu: thanks01:39
=== persia suggests that updating the wiki would be good.
FujitsuStevenK: Which package?01:40
StevenKFujitsu: libwibble01:40
StevenKIt's sitting in accepted01:41
xerosishi, i want to do my first package, is it better to do a normal package or a merge at the minute?01:42
persiaxerosis: What do you want to learn from doing a package?01:42
xerosispersia: how to be a packager :p01:43
man-diFujitsu: how am I supposed to download that? wget doesnt want to because of robots.txt01:44
Fujitsuman-di: bzr branch01:44
man-diFujitsu: thx01:44
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persiaxerosis: I'd recommend starting with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=packaging: You'll learn a lot from fixing these issues, and get to see a large number of different ways that packages are packaged, so you can develop a preference for certain styles.01:45
persiaxerosis: Specifically, a new package is usually hard to start with, and a merge doesn't really teach much packaging, as most of the work is already done.01:46
Hobbseepersia: something KDElike is the idea...i just cant really think of anything little that there's to do01:46
bmmAny MOTU is welcome to comment or advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5413 .ccbuild has one advocation at the moment.01:47
jamyskispersia: the manpage should be called manpage.1 in the debian directory and there should also be a file called manpages which has debian/manpage.1 listed right?01:47
persiaHobbsee: Umm.  That's harder, as y'all tend to be good about fixing KDE packaging issues.01:47
Hobbseeheh, exactly01:47
persiajamyskis: Depends.  In general, yes.  Given your situation, I'd recommend that upstream distribute the manpage and install it directly.01:48
persiajamyskis: $(PREFIX)/man/$(Section)/$program.$section01:49
persiaxerosis: I still believe the best way to learn packaging is to fix other peoples packages, but if you really want to work on a KDE package, you might do best to search for the "needs-packaging" tag instead of the "packaging" tag.  Note that while most of the "packaging" bugs are not KDE packages, much of the software is usable in Kubuntu.01:51
persiabmm: That's an excellent request for review.  Thanks for both stating the status of the package and listing the name of the package.01:52
xerosispersia: i guess doing non-kde packages isn't too bad really01:52
xerosispersia: will have a look to see what i can do01:52
bmmpersia: thanks01:53
persiaxerosis: Usually I'd also recommend searching for KDE bugs with easy fixes, and submitting new revisions, but there was recently a massive KDE bug triage effort, and I don't know how many easy ones are left :(01:53
xerosispersia: damn efficient people, taking work away from noobs01:54
man-diFujitsu: this version runs on current gutsy?01:56
Hobbseepersia: there's still enough, i'[m sure01:56
man-diFujitsu: I ask because I get this: http://paste.debian.net/3010101:56
Fujitsuman-di: I haven't tried it in a couple of weeks.01:57
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persiaHobbsee: Is there a tinyURL for the KDE bugs, or a team which has all the relevant packages subscribed?  It'd be nice if xerosis had an easy time searching.01:57
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man-diI remember having the same problem with lucas' version somewhen in Feisty release cycle01:57
Hobbseepersia: xerosis the best i've found is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs01:58
xerosisHobbsee: that's what i've been using01:58
persiaHobbsee: Thanks.01:59
coNPWhat command should I use if I want to update a package and have to include binary files (in fact png images) in the diff as well?02:00
FujitsucoNP: You'll have to uuencode them, probably. Why do you need them?02:01
persiacoNP: build-dep on sharutils, uuencode the files into debian/foo.uu, and uudecode during the build; rule (or some dependency thereof).02:01
coNPthis seems a bit complicated :)02:02
shawarmacoNP: It's the only way. Our diffs don't work with binary data.02:02
coNPactually I wanted to implement a feature but I might send it upstream02:02
coNPand then no need to diff binary files02:02
jamyskispersia: i think i finally have a compliant deb package complete with manpage :)02:02
jamyskisi didn't include the manpage upstream because it was far more complicated02:02
persiajamyskis: Congratulations!  Upload to REVU, and find out whether you're right :)02:03
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xerosispersia: would https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blender/+bug/116540 be okay?02:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116540 in blender "blender 2.44 package should use python 2.5" [Low,Confirmed]  02:11
xerosispersia: oops, just read that it's only at 2.44 in the repos, sorry02:11
RainCTdebian maintainer field is XSBC-Original-Maintainer?02:14
persiaRainCT: Yes.02:14
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jamyskispersia: it's uploaded...does it take a while before it appears on the current uploads list?02:16
persiajamyskis: I think it happens every 5 minutes, so if you upload at the worst time, it should be no more than 300 seconds.02:17
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jamyskispersia: ok i'll grab myself a cup of tetleys in the meantime ;)02:18
jamyskisive just found out i can run lintian on the deb :S02:25
jamyskisanyone know the new FSF address?02:25
jamyskisnever mind i got it02:25
persiajamyskis: See the Preparing New Revisions section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing for recommended flags for lintian and linda (to catch everything).02:27
jamyskispersia: right, it's definitely clean now (apart from the invalid distribution complaint because i entered gutsy)02:31
persiajamyskis: So, upload and ask for review :) (see above for a good request)02:32
jamyskispersia: i'll reupload in a second02:32
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jamyskispersia: the thing is that lintian complains that my manpage has an error02:34
jamyskisalthough i've used man with it and it works fine02:34
persiajamyskis: Does lintian explain the error when you use the recommended flags?02:35
jamyskispersia: no02:35
jamyskispersia: only when i run lintian on the binary deb02:35
jamyskislike the reviewer did last time02:36
persiajamyskis: Right.  When you use the recommended flags on the binary .deb, it should tell you what the error is in sufficient detail to fix it.  If not, pastebin the fully expanded error, and ask for help here.02:36
RainCTcan someone (persia?) please check the debdiff for bug 119683?02:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119683 in qdacco "qdacco includes no .desktop file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11968302:39
man-diFujitsu: any idea about multidistrotools?02:40
persiaRainCT: No need to mention me :)  If I have time, I'll look anyway, and if I don't it just distracts me and delays any review.02:40
Fujitsuman-di: No, unfortunately. Seems that python-apt has changed its interface, and I haven't got time to look into fixing it now.02:40
RainCTok sorry02:40
man-diFujitsu: thanks for looking into it02:40
FujitsuI'll probably have a look tomorrow or Tuesday.02:41
persiaRainCT: Looks OK to me.  It will get picked up as soon as someone who isn't just interested in merges and syncs processes the U-U-S queue.  No need to ask here.02:42
persiaRainCT: Don't forget to file the bug in Debian, and link to that bug in Launchpad.02:43
RainCTyes, doing that now02:43
persiaRainCT: Sorry.  BTS is slow, I guess I looked too soon.02:44
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RainCTeh.. does 'bugreport' send bugs to Debian or Ubuntu?02:47
persiaRainCT: "bugreport"?02:48
geserdefault for reportbug is Ubuntu but you can say it to mail the Debian BTS02:48
RainCTsorry, reuportbu02:49
RainCT(* reportbug)02:49
RainCTgeser: how can I do that?02:49
geserput "bts debian" in your ~/.reportbugrc02:50
gesercp /etc/reportbug.conf ~/.reportbugrc if you don't have already one02:50
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RainCTok thanks02:52
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tobiasschulzis a revu admin inside this channel (im german, so sorry for my english)02:54
tobiasschulz?02:54
persiatobiasschulz: Usually, but not always on the weekend.  What are you trying to accomplish?02:55
tobiasschulzi would like to upload a package using revu, and on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU  it says "Next, ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu or at  keyring@tiber.tauware.de to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU."02:56
tobiasschulzbut if there are no admins, i will try it tomorrow again02:57
persiatobiasschulz: OK.  If an admin is around, they'll probably start a sync soon (most read backscroll, even if they are away a bit).  If not, I think the keys are sync'd automatically each night (CET), so it should be fine by tomorrow, even if nobody gets to it now (although that's not ideal for you).02:57
tobiasschulzok thank you02:58
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jamyskisi think im going to scream03:00
jamyskisi now have to start from scratch because the arch-indep data is far too big03:01
jamyskisand i need to create two seperate packages for it03:01
persiajamyskis: Not from scratch.  You only need two binary packages.  This isn't too hard.03:01
jamyskispersia: two folders with the same upstream but with different rules files? 03:02
persiaFirst, add a new Binary: section at the end of debian/control for naughts-and-crosses-common (or whatever your package name is + "-common".03:02
persiajamyskis: Nope.  One upstream, one rules file, etc.  Just two binary packages.03:02
jamyskispersia: ok...i'm reading03:02
persiaSet the architecture of the -common package to "all"03:03
persiaMake the regular package depend on the -common package.03:04
persiaRename debian/manpages, debian/install, etc. to debian/packagename.manpages, debian/packagename.install, etc.  (only for the debhelper helper files).03:04
jussi01good evening everyone :D03:04
persiaHi jussi0103:04
jussi01hello persia03:05
persiaAdd debian/packagename-common.install, and list all the arch-independent data there.03:05
persiaThis should give you two packages, with the right contents.  There's likely a bit more tweaking required, but linda & lintian should help (and I don't remember off the top of my head).03:06
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jamyskispersia: i don't have a debian/install file03:06
persiajamyskis: That's OK.  If you don't have it, you don't need to rename it :)03:07
jamyskispersia: will it ignore the architecture independent stuff then when it builds naughts-and-crosses?03:07
man-diFujitsu: I have got it to work now with replacing "mtd bin2src ..." with some grep-dctrl magic.03:08
man-diFujitsu: but the output looks really simplistic to what lucas generated at http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/java.html03:08
Fujitsuman-di: What command are you using to generate it now?03:08
man-dithe srcpkg file?03:09
FujitsuWhat does the output you get look like?03:09
persiajamyskis: My memory is that it will move everything you install into -common out of the base package.  Let me find you a doc.03:09
man-diits just a list with source package names03:09
FujitsuYou need to run it through mdt compare-versions and mdt versions2html or so.03:09
man-diFujitsu: http://paste.debian.net/3011103:10
man-diFujitsu: thats what I do03:10
man-diFujitsu: my current script is http://paste.debian.net/3011203:10
Fujitsu"mdt compare-versions sid gutsy | mdt filter ../lists/science-all | mdt removals removals.txt A | mdt versions2html -t "Science package" -d -u -a Sid -b Gutsy > science.html" is what I use.03:11
Fujitsuman-di: What does the generated .html have in it?03:12
man-diFujitsu: lucas version e.g. has links to patches.ubuntu.com and to bugs.launchpad.net03:14
FujitsuI believe there are some options to versions2html that do that.03:14
FujitsuOptions: -d, --debian-links               Include Debian-related links in the output -u, --ubuntu-links               Include Ubuntu-related links in the output03:14
persiajamyskis: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgSplit is the clearest I could find about it.03:15
FujitsuBah, I am being told I must go to bed now.03:15
man-diFujitsu: good nite and thx for your help03:18
jamyskispersia: i think i've sussed it03:18
jamyskispersia: thanks03:18
jamyskisi hope i'll be able to get my second game done quicker next time03:21
jamyskisthis has taken the best part of three days03:21
persiaAnyone seeking Membership and want more linkable stuff for their wiki page?03:21
jamyskisthanks for all the help persia03:21
persiajamyskis: As you become familiar, it becomes easy.03:21
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=== man-di wonders about libgnuinet-java which is 1.1.1-1 in unstable and 1.1.1-2 in gutsy
jamyskispersia: ok, i have a naughts-and-crosses-common deb file which is 4K and a naughts-and-crosses file which is 324K (the same as the original)03:26
jamyskispersia: somethings gone astray03:27
persiaman-di: sync'd from experimental03:27
man-dipersia: aah, right, that makes sense03:27
persiaman-di: Easiest way to check is to look at the Ubuntu changelog, either on LP, or on an Ubuntu system (or chroot) with `aptitude changelog foo`.03:28
man-dipersia: yes, I know. I just looked at the output of multidistrotools without more checking and wondered03:29
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persiaman-di: `aptitude changelog libgnuinet-java` is fewer keystrokes than "/me wonders about libgnuinet-java which is 1.1.1-1 in unstable and 1.1.1-2 in gutsy" :)03:31
polopolohello, can someone help my me with setting my gpg in launchpad?03:31
persiapolopolo: Where are you stuck?03:31
polopolowait, psb03:32
polopolois Passphrase password???03:34
persiapolopolo: Depends on the tools you used to generate your key.  Passphrase is the secret phrase you entered when generating your key.03:35
RainCTyes03:35
polopoloSo I can type my password?03:37
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polopolo?03:38
jamyskisbrb just getting food03:39
polopolonobody as the answer?03:40
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persiapolopolo: When creating your key, you were asked for a secret phrase.  Do you remember what it was (don't tell me)?03:41
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polopolonevermind, it already done, wait for the next problem03:42
polopolook, when I getting send my code to lanchpad, I get a problem03:44
polopoloit says Ie not uploaded already to ubuntu03:44
polopoloWhen I do it03:44
persiapolopolo: Did you already sync your key to the keyserver?03:45
polopolono, I do it now03:46
polopoloI do it, but no massage03:46
polopolothen I go back and enter the same03:46
polopoloThen it says it not on the server03:47
polopolothat the problem03:47
persiapolopolo: Can you find your key when you search from http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/?03:48
polopoloError handling request: No keys found03:50
polopoloThat the error I get03:50
persiapolopolo: When you uploaded your key to the keyservers, which keyserver did you use?03:50
polopolotoday, keyserver.ubuntu.com03:51
persiapolopolo: Hmmm.  For some reason it's not there (or your search terms don't work).03:51
polopoloI searched with my fingerprint03:52
persiapolopolo: Try searching with your name.03:52
polopoloThere it03:53
polopolobut the old one, not the new one03:53
persiapolopolo: Do they have the same email address?  Is the old one valid?03:53
polopolothe old one as the old email I do not use anymore03:54
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persiapolopolo: Do you still have the secret key?  You can change the email address on the key.03:55
polopolono, I don, it was on my remove partition03:55
polopoloBTW, i see now this on the error of lanchpad03:55
polopoloKeys sometimes take up to an hour to be synchronized between servers.03:56
polopolomaby wait?03:56
persiapolopolo: Maybe, but usually if you upload to a speciific keyserver, the key should be on that server.  Check again in an hour, and if that doesn't work, paste the ASCII-armour'd version of your public key on the search form to force it.03:57
polopolook, I wait a hour, thank you, I go make further with my package03:58
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persiagnomefreak: Is something still happening with bug 55782?04:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 55782 in kxdocker "doesnt open in edgy" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5578204:01
gnomefreakpersia: dont know im not the one working on it but last i checked it didnt work04:02
persiagnomefreak: I just haven't seen the assingee in a while, and you were the reporter, so I thought you might know.04:02
gnomefreakpersia: i wish i did. edgys should work from what i have heard but feisty didnt (not sure on gutsy i havent installed it yet04:03
persiagnomefreak: The package hasn't changed since edgy, so it's probably still broken.  I'll assign to noone, and ask for someone to generate a gutsy fix then.  Perhaps after that's done, a SRU can be considered.  Thanks.04:05
gnomefreakthank you04:06
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persiagnomefreak: If you have some spare time, and want to respin the patch, I'd be happy to get it uploaded fairly soon.04:06
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polopoloohyeah, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html must be updated, some things are wrong here04:07
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gnomefreakpersia: if not ill do it this week. but i would like to see what he did first04:11
persiagnomefreak: The patches are in the bug :)04:12
gnomefreakoh nice :)04:12
beunocan anyone clarify to me the difference between "universe" and "multiverse"?04:12
gnomefreakmulyiverse holds nonfree packages04:12
persiagnomefreak: ping me if it doesn't get sponsored in a reasonable amount of time.  3 releases is too many to have an outstanding patch :)04:12
gnomefreakpersia: ok ill try on gutsy tonihgt or tomorrow04:13
persiagnomefreak: Thanks.04:13
gnomefreakthank you for looking at it :)04:13
persiagnomefreak: We're slowly improving.  Soon, UUS reviews should be within a week or so.04:14
gnomefreakpersia: im tempted to agree with the post before yours04:14
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gnomefreakAdditionally, kxdocker appears dead. As of April 23, 2007, the project is now XQDE...04:14
beunognomefreak: THANKS04:15
gnomefreakno sense in adding it to gutsy (keeping it in)04:15
gnomefreakif someone wants to build XQDE than i say go for it04:15
gnomefreakgrabbing to build feistys04:16
gnomefreakbeuno: yw04:16
persiagnomefreak: I'm not really familiar with the package.  If you think so, please reject this bug (with the appropriate comment), and open a new bug to remove it from Ubuntu.  It's probably a good idea to get the replacement in first :)04:17
gnomefreakwell im gonna work on feistys build for it and ill file another bug but i cant close this one until feisty is fixed but i will comment on it04:17
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persiagnomefreak: OK.  There's a bit of a procedural issue, that we're only supposed to SRU things that are fixed in gutsy.  If it is to be fixed in feisty, it needs to be fixed in gutsy first, even if the plan is to drop the package after the archive-admins approve the SRU.04:19
gnomefreakok thats fine ill spin it in gutsy too than file bug :)04:20
persiagnomefreak: If you'd like the fix in feisty, don't open the drop bug first :)04:20
gnomefreakhmmmm04:22
gnomefreakpersia: im leaning towards saying screw it for feisty. is it really worth it since it has been same version for 3 releases04:23
gnomefreakno upstream fixes04:24
persiagnomefreak: It's your bug, so it's your call.  If you decide it's not worth it, just retract (reject) the bug with a comment.  If one of the other subscribers really wants it, perhaps they can help get it done.04:25
persia(and reopen it)04:25
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gnomefreakwould this be a backport canidate?04:26
persiagnomefreak: Which?  The bugfix, or XQDE?04:26
gnomefreakxqde04:26
persiagnomefreak: If it builds on edgy or feisty, probably.  If it needs new libraries, probably not.04:26
gnomefreakok well lets get one thing at a time done :)04:27
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persiacoNP: When requesting sponsorship, it's a good idea to review the sponsors queue guidelines at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue to make sure that it will be accepted.04:34
StevenHarperUKHello : could a MOTU please re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, so I can have upload rights to REVU?04:34
gnomefreakpersia: should i subscibe anyone to the drop request of kxdocker?04:34
persiagnomefreak: You've decided not to fix it in feisty then?  From your comment to the bug, I thought you planned to get an SRU out.04:35
coNPpersia: thanks, now should I ask someone to mentor?04:35
gnomefreakpersia: i updated it04:35
persiacoNP: No need.  If you've met all the criteria listed in "Notes for Contributors", subscribing the sponsors is sufficient.04:36
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gnomefreakmakes no sense to me that after 12 months no upstream updates. the project doesnt look all that great from thier links04:36
coNPthanks persia I guess everything is fine04:36
gnomefreakbut that doesnt stop it from getting in04:36
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persiagnomefreak: I'm caught up now.  Sounds good.  To get sponsorship for a drop, it's the same as sponsorship for anything else.  Before asking for sponsorship, I recommend getting in touch with the Debian maintainer.  They may agree with you, and make a package of xqde, and it's a lot easier to get a drop approved by the archive-admins when there's a RoM removal request outstanding in Debian.04:41
persiagnomefreak: Separtely, drops are easier when the replacement is already packaged and distributed in Ubuntu, as then there's a guarantee that there's no loss of functionality, without waiting for someone to get around to packaging the new software.04:43
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polopolopersia, what do you mean with ascii, how can I do it?04:48
persiapolopolo: gpg --export --armor should generate some pasteable text for you (I think).04:49
polopoloaha04:50
polopoloadd, thank you very very much04:50
polopolo:D04:50
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StevenHarperUK Hello : could a MOTU please re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, so I can have upload rights to REVU?04:56
persiaStevenHarperUK: It appears that nobody who can is around right now.  I believe it syncs automatically each night, and many of the people who can read backscroll, so it may also be manually synced based on your last request.  There's no need to repeat yourself.04:58
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StevenHarperUKRoger that05:00
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jonekhi, I have problems with the package em8300-source. is here the right place to ask questions about it?05:03
persiajonek: Are you attempting to use the package, or patch it?05:03
jonekpersia: use it - which seems impossible or at least very difficult on feisty - so I would like to help improve it05:04
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persiajonek: I understand.  I stopped using it with dapper.  If you have questions about how it works, #ubuntu is your channel.  If you are trying to patch it, and need help making a new package, this is the right place.  For help with changing it, I recommend upstream - my memory is that they are fairly responsive and helpful.05:07
polopoloCan someone help my with the following problem?05:08
jonekpersia: is an ubuntu specific bugzilla available for the em8300-source package?05:08
polopoloI  get the error05:08
polopoloackage name "gVerse" is not in a valid format.05:08
polopoloDebian policy manual states:05:08
polopolo  "Package names must only consist of lower case letters, digits (0-9),05:08
polopolo   plus (+) or minus (-) signs, and periods (.)"05:08
jonekpersia: do you mean debian by upstream?05:08
geserpolopolo: what's the software name you want to package?05:11
persiajonek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/em8300, but you might be interested in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=em8300 as well.  Upstream is http://dxr3.sourceforge.net/05:11
jonekpersia: thx05:11
polopologeser: gVerse05:11
geseryou need to use gverse as package name05:13
geserthe orig.tar.gz needs also use gverse05:13
polopolosorry, I have to eat05:14
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StevenHarperUKHi : i'm trying to make a Source package, my project is in Python, what's the difference between a source package and a binary one if its a Python based package?05:19
StevenHarperUKOh, and what's the point of providing a binary package if its in Python?05:21
geserthe source package contains as shipped by upstream (usually a tar.gz, tar.bz2, etc.) and the binary package contains the files as they end up after compilation and installation05:22
StevenHarperUKOk so I have a tar.gz made by my Python setup.py05:23
StevenHarperUKhow do I make that into  adeb source package05:23
geserthe binary package installs the executables to /usr/bin/, the data to /usr/share/, the man pages to /usr/share/man, etc.05:23
gesera source package is the upstream archive (orig.tar.gz), Debian/Ubuntu changes (files in debian/ and modifications of upstream code) as diff.gz and a .dsc glueing both together05:24
StevenHarperUKOk : Im the author of the Source.tar.gz : I have that bit made05:25
StevenHarperUKHow do I make a Debian Source from that05:26
geser!packagingguide05:26
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports05:26
StevenHarperUKI also have the final Package made : the bit im stuck on is the Source deb05:26
geserit's not a source deb, the source package contains of 3 files: the orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc file05:27
StevenHarperUKRigth05:28
StevenHarperUKso whats a sdc?05:28
StevenHarperUK***dsc?05:28
geserif you have everything set up to build a binary deb correctly, you also get the source package05:28
StevenHarperUKThats the problem I dont think I have05:28
geserthe .dsc file contains the md5sum of the .orig.tar.gz and the md5sum of the .diff.gz and some meta information05:29
StevenHarperUKIm using dpkg-deb to make the deb05:29
geserit gets generated automatically during building05:29
statikhi, i did my first upload to revu last night, a new package called python-coverage. I don't see it showing up on http://revu.tauware.de/, should it?05:29
StevenHarperUKis dpkg-deb the right tool to use?05:29
gesernot really, it is very, very low-level, you don't normally call it yourself05:30
StevenHarperUKOh I have got it working with that05:31
geserthe normal way is to use debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild)05:31
StevenHarperUKYes but I don't have a rules file..... as its Python there's no compile05:32
geserdpkg-deb is used by the tools which help you at building the package05:32
geserbut you have to copy the files to the correct location (e.g. setup.py install) which is also done in debian/rules by the install target05:33
persiastatik: It should show up within about 5 minutes.  When it doesn't you should ask here why it didn't.  Are you a member of ubuntu-universe-sponsors?05:34
geserpick a python package which is similar to yours and look there how the packaging is done05:34
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statikpersia: I joined last night, yes. I think I got some of the details wrong on the source package that I uploaded, like the distro series in the changelog.05:35
StevenHarperUKI am finding that there is a lack of complete documentation on all This Packaging05:36
StevenHarperUKMaking my App was easier05:36
StevenHarperUKwhich is wrong05:36
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persiastatik: Did someone sync the keyring since you joined? (I don't know your timezone, so "last night" doesn't tell me enough)05:36
statikpersia: yes, I asked for a sync about 9 hours ago, and crimsun started one05:37
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StevenHarperUKgeser : if I get a source package (python based one) will that have all the structre and files I need?05:38
geseryes05:38
geseryou get a unpacked upstream tar.gz with a debian/ dir. The important files for you are in debian/05:39
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StevenHarperUKBasically you just call my setup.py  file to do the install : thats teh standard05:40
StevenHarperUKSo that will go iin the Rukes file?05:40
geserpersia: I remember Hobbsee have problems with keyring syncing yesterday (timeout or something) but I don't know if it got resolved.05:40
StevenHarperUK**rules?05:40
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persiastatik: Most of your package appears stuck in incoming, and your source.changes was rejected.  I'm not sure why.  I think you need to have the files deleted before you can upload again.05:41
persiageser: Yes, but REVU is working for some people.  I don't understand why (or why not).05:41
geserStevenHarperUK: as that it's common cdbs (a packaging tool) has a ready plugin for it05:42
statikpersia: that makes sense, I've learned more in the last few hours and fixed several things in the source package (and even tested in a pbuilder). Do you know how I could get the files deleted so I can upload a new source package?05:42
persiastatik: Someone has to delete them manually.05:42
statikpersia: ok. is this something that I should send an email request about, or does it get handled automatically? (and thanks for all the help!)05:43
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persiastatik: It gets handled by asking here.  It's Sunday in most parts of the world, and those who tend to fix it aren't very active right now.  If you don't hear from someone else, try asking again tomorrow.05:44
statikpersia: perfect, I'll do that. thanks again!05:45
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beunowhat's the policy on uploading packages from Ubuntu to Debian with patches from Ubuntu?05:53
shawarmaBump the debian version and just upload it, I suppose.05:53
shawarmaIANADD, but I don't see what else there is to do.05:54
persiabeuno: To get an official answer, you'd need to ask someone in Debian.  Ubuntu prefers that patches are applied in Debian.05:54
shawarmabeuno: Removing the "ubuntuX" part from the version string in the process of course.05:54
beunowhat's the policy on uploading packages from Ubuntu to Debian with patches from Ubuntu?05:54
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shawarma?05:54
shawarmaUm..05:54
persiabeuno: Personally, I like it when Debian maintainers do something like http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/slashem/current/changelog05:54
shawarmaBump the debian version and just upload it, I suppose.05:54
shawarmaIANADD, but I don't see what else there is to do.05:54
shawarmabeuno: Removing the "ubuntuX" part from the version string in the process of course.05:55
shawarmathis is going to be a long day. :)05:55
beunopersia, shawarma, these are new packages that aren't in Debian05:55
beuno(I'm add the debconf, btw)  :p05:55
shawarmabeuno: Ah. That did not become much more obvious when you asked the exact same question the scond time :)05:55
persiabeuno: I believe best practice is to file an ITP and contact the utnubu team.05:56
beunoshawarma: I didn't get that answer, they're still playing around with the APs05:56
beunopersia: I already have a sponsor, already pacakged it, and already have the ITP05:57
beunoI'm just wondering on how to handle the work done on the initialy packaging done in Ubuntu05:57
persiabeuno: Then it gets uploaded.  It should follow Debian policy (Debian versions, dedicated maintainer, etc.), but otherwise Ubuntu doesn't impose anything.  Thereafter, Debian should become the default source of new upstreams, etc.05:58
beunoas in acknowledgeing it05:58
beunogreat then, I'll dedicate my next 2 weeks here to packaging Ubuntu apps into compying with Debian plicy and uploading them  :D05:59
persiabeuno: Ah.  In debian/copyright, leave the "This package was originally debianized by J. Random Hacker", and in the Debian Packaging is copyright foo section, list the original packager.05:59
beunopersia: right, that's the answer I was looking for, thanks05:59
persiabeuno: TO clarify, something like "The packaging is (C) 2003-2005 Enrique Roblefo Arnuncio <era@debian.org>, 2007, Emmet Hikory <emmet.hikory@gmail.com> and is licensed under the GPL, see above.", except the other way around.06:00
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persiabeuno: Just a note; you probably don't want to put everything back in Debian.  There are a number of packages that have been separately packaged for Debian (with different names) and should be removed from Ubuntu.  There are also a number of packages that don't integrate well, or don't provide new functionality.  My memory is that Debian prefers to only have the best two or three apps for each function, and prefers integration.06:12
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jamyskishi everyone...am back06:31
jamyskispersia: did you catch the problem i was having earlier on with two deb packages (naughts-and-crosses, naughts-and-crosses-common) being created but only naughts-and-crosses actually containing the stuff?06:33
polopoloCan someon help my package a program with debhelper like gVerse06:33
persiajamyskis: Sorry, I missed it.  Could you pastebin debian/naughts-and-crosses-common.install?06:34
jamyskispersia: sure hold on06:34
jamyskispersia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25011/06:36
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beunoI'm having trouble packaging with CDBS, the Ubuntu docs aren't clear on how to actually build the package (http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-cdbs.html)06:38
persiajamyskis: Ah.  You need a destination :)  Where are the files supposed to end up?  Also, is this the entire contents of the data/ directory?06:40
jamyskispersia: with the exception of Makefile, Makefile.am and Makefile.in yep :)06:40
jamyskispersia: can you post the format in the pastebin?06:40
jamyskispersia: the problem is that some of the graphic files are a little big06:40
jamyskispersia: im working on way to compress them without resorting to yet more libraries06:41
persiajamyskis: It's "source destination" for each line, space delimited.  Drop the initial / from the destination.06:41
RainCTI've a (a bit off-topic) question: I'm writting a Python application with many .py files, but only of them should be executed directly. So, would the main .py go to /usr/bin and the others to /usr/include/<program name>, or what?06:42
persiajamyskis: Also, you can use globs, so "data/*.bmp usr/share/naughts-and-crosses-common/" would work.06:42
jamyskispersia: ok got it thanks :)06:43
geserRainCT: yes, but /usr/share/<packagename>06:45
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daschlhey guys, someone packaging-related here? :)06:46
persiajamyskis: geser ha just reminded me, you probably want "usr/share/naughts-and-crosses" (no -common).06:46
RainCTgeser: ok, thanks. will Python automatically search there if I make an import or how to I write it?06:46
persiadaschl: Very much so.06:46
jamyskispersia: good timing, i'd just finished debuild -S -sa and was about to build the binary :)06:46
daschlpersia, hey. i found a problem here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-defaults/+bug/50480 and someone told me that this is very packaging-related, so i decided to come up with this issue here06:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 50480 in ruby-defaults "Reported version is incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed]  06:46
persiadaschl: Just to make sure I understand, this is a wishlist request for a no-changes version bump?06:47
daschlpersia, i dont know what you are talking about, this is my first "bugfix" on ubuntu.. 06:47
daschlpersia, but: yes, i think so.. the version numbers are inconsistent!06:48
persiadaschl: OK.  To rephrase.  The request is to change the version of the package, but not anything els about the package?06:48
daschlpersia, yes.06:48
jamyskisok...here's hoping that this time it's right06:49
daschljamyskis, do you mean my request?06:49
jamyskisdaschl: sorry, no...i meant that i've been at trying to build a ubuntu repo compliant deb for the past three days and there's always been something wrong06:50
jamyskisdaschl: but we've almost got it sorted06:50
daschljamyskis, i c :D06:50
persiadaschl: I don't think we want to fix that in Ubuntu without coordination with Debian.  You might be intersted in looking at debian bug 359810 as a possible link for your bug.06:51
ubotuDebian bug 359810 in ruby-defaults "ruby-defaults: please use less confusing package versionning scheme" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/35981006:51
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daschlpersia, why is this important? (really, im interested :))06:51
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jamyskispersia: didn't work06:52
persiadaschl: If we bump the version in Ubutu, and Debian uploads a newer package with new fixes, we won't be automatically notified, which means the fixes might take a long time to get to Ubuntu.06:52
daschlpersia, oh, so it would be good if debian and ubuntu cooperate and bump the version together..06:53
persiadaschl: Exactly, or to change the version scheme for ruby-defaults so it is less confusing.06:53
daschlpersia, so what can i do?06:53
persiadaschl: You could contact Ukai-san, but the Debian bug is a year old without response, so you shouldn't expect much.  You could also point the Ubuntu bug submitter to the Debian bug, and apologize for the confusion, but that doesn't fix it.06:55
jamyskispersia: i forgot to put the last / in06:55
jamyskisin the install file06:55
jamyskisdon't know if that would make a difference06:55
persiajamyskis: Ah good.  I've been digging in http://wiki.debian.org/PkgSplit and not seeing anything that would explain the issue :)06:55
daschlpersia, thx, brb06:56
jamyskispersia: didn't make a difference06:58
jamyskisif you'd like i can .tar.gz the entire folder if you'd like to take a look06:59
persiajamyskis: Better for me would be for you to upload the (broken) package to REVU, as I'm to bed very soon :)  Maybe someone else will see it quickly.07:00
jamyskisits fine...im just about wound up with it for today anyway07:01
jamyskisi can carry on tomorrow07:01
jamyskisbecause i think i'll end up smashing my keyboard in if this plays up any more07:02
jamyskisthe debian lot really need to look at how this lot works because there really is no need for debian packaging to be this complicated07:02
jamyskisthanks for all your help persia :)07:03
RainCTis there any path where default config files are stored (if the users hasn't it's own)?07:06
persiaRainCT: /etc/<packagename>07:08
RainCTthanks07:09
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jribwould anyone like to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444, a python module?07:20
jrib(you only have to review it once :P)07:21
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jamyskishttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5454 <-- could someone take a look and find out why my attempts at creating split packages are resulting in everything going into one and nothing in the other? thanks07:36
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jamyskisanyone there?07:47
lioneljamyskis: probabily:)07:51
jamyskislionel: was just curious because it went dead07:51
lionelit's week-end, people are sometimes afk07:52
jamyskislionel: you're capable of reviewing packages aren't you?07:54
lionelI'm not sure I have reviwer rights, and I have to go in few min. Could you drop me a mail?07:55
jamyskislionel: no worries...i'll leave it until tomorrow07:55
jamyskisi've been trying to package something for three days now and somehow it always doesn't meet ubuntu repo requirements07:56
jamyskisi'm pretty much at the point now where i'm about ready to give up and just continue hosting it at my repo07:56
lionelkeep trying to get your package in07:56
lionelit will nice for Ubuntu to have the package, and nice for you to learn always more07:57
lionelI know sometimes it can be frustrating to be reviewed07:57
jamyskislionel: the problem is less the reviewers and more the fact that the debian lot neglected any kind of usability when they designed the package creation system08:00
jamyskisif they simplified the process of creating packages there might be more submitted08:01
man-dijamyskis: its complex, but when you are used to it its very flexible08:06
jamyskisman-di: maybe, but there needs to some kind of interface that sacrifices some of that flexibility for ease-of-use for beginners08:07
jamyskisman-di: maybe a GTK+ GUI :)08:07
jamyskisman-di: otherwise beginners just get swamped in the dozens of files and options08:07
man-dijamyskis: you are free to write such a tool ;-)08:07
jamyskisman-di: i was actually thinking about it but i need to know how the packaging system works first :)08:08
man-dijamyskis: I guess its easier to just learn all the files then writing such a tool08:08
man-dijamyskis: I do debian packaging since several years08:08
jamyskisman-di: true, most people write stuff that they themselves would need and once they know what they need to write such a tool, they don't need a GUI anymore08:08
man-diand I think such a GUI would be even more complex to use then just using a text editor to edit some files08:09
jamyskisman-di: that's the problem, the motivation to solve a lot of problems08:09
jamyskisi disagree - it depends on how you design the GUI08:09
man-diand there are always different ways to solve some issue08:09
man-dithe GUI need to cope with all the different ways08:09
daschli think the gui should only help during the first steps, not the whole way :) .. after some time you surely switch to CLI 08:10
jamyskisif you provide a user the means to select a PGP key and design the file structure that would be ample for beginners...it sacrifices the flexibility but is sufficient for most08:10
jamyskisdaschl: you are right, of course08:10
jamyskisbut a GUI would be a good start08:11
jamyskisi used synaptic almost exclusively at the start before i got to know how apt-get works08:11
man-dijamyskis: dh-make creates a good first skeleton, IMO08:11
daschljamyskis, i agree with you. but i dont have the knowledge and skill to write such a gui .. and i really wonder that theres nothing out there08:11
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jamyskisdaschl: then maybe that's something i'll bring up08:11
daschljamyskis, it would be great if i can assist you during the development progress, so i can learn it all from scratch 08:12
jamyskisdaschl: i was considering learning and using glade for it08:12
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daschljamyskis, well i played around with gtk+ (especially ruby-gtk) 08:13
jamyskisdaschl: too advanced for me :)08:13
jamyskisdaschl: maybe wxWindows though08:13
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jamyskissorry wxWidgets08:14
daschljamyskis, gtk+ is really easy! do you know any programming language quite well? 08:15
jamyskisdaschl: i'm reasonably proficient in c++08:15
jamyskisstill have a lot to learn08:16
jamyskisbut i program my games in it08:16
daschljamyskis, well.. you can have a look at the c++ bindings for gtk, but i prefer Qt for the moment.. it rocks :)08:16
jamyskisno experience with "serious apps" though08:16
jamyskisdaschl: will do :)08:16
jamyskisactually if this is to become part of ubuntu wouldn't learning python be a better option and doing it in that?08:17
jamyskispython has gtk+ bindings08:17
daschljamyskis, Qt really kicks ass.. i needed a gui for a network device configurator and i tried gtk+ first, but then i looked at Qt and i changed the whole app :)08:17
juliankHi! Can somebody please upload the merged revision of ndisgtk (0.7.2-1ubuntu1) to universe? http://jak-linux.org/projects/ndisgtk/pkgs/ndisgtk_0.7.2-1ubuntu1.dsc (also at REVU)08:17
jamyskisdaschl: i do like qt (and kde) but the whole look and feel of it is spoiled under gnome08:18
daschljamyskis, i dont agree with you .. have you ever looked at amaroK for example?08:20
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polopolohello08:23
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jamyskisdaschl: not yet08:26
jribpolopolo: hi08:29
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jamyskispolopolo: hello08:29
polopoloIs it a problem if I use http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html to make my .deb?08:34
polopolofor ubuntu08:34
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man-dipolopolo: thats in fact the recommended way08:37
man-dipolopolo: debian and ubuntu packaging is basically the same08:37
polopolook08:37
man-dipolopolo: there are only some nuances that are different08:37
polopoloversion numbers I alreadt knows08:38
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daschljamyskis, look here (amaroK under Gnome) .. my desktop: http://www.netfux.org/Screenshot.png08:42
daschljamyskis, of course, only original cds ripped with "abdce" :)08:44
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jamyskisdaschl: you have your kcontrol well set up but you can recognise it isn't native :)08:46
daschljamyskis, it is native.. i didnt change anything!08:46
jamyskisdaschl: i mean the theme settings with qt are seperate from gtk+08:47
daschljamyskis, yes they are separate, but what you see here is default :) .. i installed amarok at my girlfirends pc (gnome feisty) and nothing looked different08:47
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jamyskisdaschl: exactly...but if a user starts playing around with fonts and themes but doesn't know the difference between gtk+ and qt then you end up with something like this: http://www.jamyskis.net/Screenshot.png08:50
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jamyskisoops08:53
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daschljamyskis, looks ugly :p09:07
jamyskisdaschl: i rest my case :)09:07
jamyskisthat's not my theme by the way09:07
daschljamyskis, xD09:07
daschljamyskis, i c09:07
jamyskisi just did it to make a point hehe09:07
daschlhehe09:07
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_Enchainedhi09:16
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_EnchainedCan someone remove this package from REVU please : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=525209:48
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lionelman-di: just for your information bug #11973910:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119739 in libapache-mod-jk "libapache-mod-jk is vulnerable to CVE-2007-1860" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11973910:19
man-dilionel: yes, I saw this in my mail already10:20
man-dilionel: thx for taking care of this10:20
lionelman-di: no pb!10:20
man-dilionel: should this be fixed for edgy, feisty and pre-dapper too?10:20
lionelI have just added patch for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty10:21
lionel(pre Dapper is not supported any more)10:21
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man-dilionel: okay, thx10:35
man-dilionel: I have uploaded new version to unstable too, this can be merged to gutsy10:36
RainCTjamyskis: I've tried out Open Invaders but it didn't start up but let my PC at 640x480 resolution. Then when I pressed Ctrl + Alt + Backspace the PC restarted :S. I'll sue you ;P10:36
lionelman-di: yeah, I have seen on devel-changes, thanks!10:38
jamyskisRainCT: that's the first I've heard of that...especially since the game uses 800x600 natively10:38
jamyskisdid you just try to use the package in MOTU?10:38
jamyskisits broken10:38
RainCTjamyskis: well then it was 800x600, fact is everything looked very big and I saw only like 1/3 of the screen10:39
RainCTjamyskis: I compiled the source from your web10:39
RainCT(and I don't know if it outputed something since the terminal window wasn't on my screen anymore, it was at the bottom :P)10:39
jamyskisRainCT: try starting with open_invaders -w10:40
RainCTjamyskis: well, not today :P10:40
jamyskisRainCT: Not feeling brave enough ;)10:40
RainCTjamyskis: I'd, but I don't what happened that Ctrl + Alt + Backspace restarted and I don't want to wait for it to restart again :P (well, I could just go to Ctrl + Alt + F1 and restart from there, but anyways.. perhaps tomorrow)10:42
jamyskisRainCT: it sounds like something is not right with your X server or video drivers10:43
jamyskisRainCT. do you have a 3D driver installed?10:44
RainCTjamyskis: no, I don't even think my video card has 3D.. It has just 8MB memory xDD10:44
jamyskisRainCT: interesting...10:45
jamyskisRainCT: could you do me a favour and type lshw >hardware.txt and then send me the contents of that file?10:48
jamyskisRainCT: I'd be very interested to know what part of the game caused the comp to crash10:48
RainCTjamyskis: as root?10:50
jamyskisRainCT: doesn't need to be10:50
jamyskisRainCT: works as normal user10:50
_EnchainedIs there a revu admin here ?10:53
_Enchained(to remove a package)10:53
RainCTjamyskis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25025/10:55
jamyskisRainCT: to the best of my knowledge you do have 3D capability (i810 driver) although in this case that doesn't matter because OI doesn't use hardware acceleration10:57
jamyskisRainCT: but i'll see if i can find someone else i know with this graphics card and see if i can reproduce the problem10:57
jamyskisRainCT: thanks for the heads up10:57
RainCTjamyskis: okay. ping me tomorrow if you want and I'll try again11:00
RainCTgoing to bed now11:00
jamyskisRainCT: okey-doke good night11:01
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jamyskisim off to bed too11:02
jamyskisgood night everyone11:02
RainCTgood night11:03
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