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tgm4883is pvr-500 support built into feisty?03:30
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tgm4883I guess what I really want to know is what is built into feisty that supports the PVR-150, is it IVTV?03:34
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OpenMediaSupportYes you will need the ivtv drivers03:59
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superm1tgm4883, pvr-500 support is built into feisty (ivtv drivers are included with feisty)08:12
superm1tgm4883, so there should be no need to manually load ivtv kernel modules or ivtv firmware for the drivers to function as expected08:19
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ubotuNew bug: #103192 in lirc (main) "Activity on a LIRC remote does not wake computer from Gnomescreensaver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10319210:05
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Davieysuperm1: ping11:37
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rogue780|mythsrvhttp://wubuntu.weejewel.net04:47
lagao_O04:55
lagai wonder if we should have an additional mythtv-contrib package that just ships all the neat little tools found in mythtv/contrib04:58
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superm1morning Daviey06:39
superm1Daviey, pong06:39
Davieyhey ho06:50
DavieyCan't remember what i wanted..06:51
Davieysorry about missing the 'defaults'06:51
Davieyreally can't remember what i wanted.. grr06:52
superm1Daviey, there was something else too..07:02
superm1it was done outside the chroot07:02
superm1so i just had to move it up 5 lines or so07:02
superm1but it works perfectly as expected now :)07:03
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keescooklaga: they're shipping as part of the backend in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend I think.  I wouldn't want to make a separate package for it just because they're not really "official" scripts.09:31
keescook(yeah, they're in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib though larger bits are .gz'd)09:32
lagamust have missed them09:32
lagathanks09:32
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CDG52does the latest edition of mythbuntu frontend work in live mode?11:01
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=== CDG52 someone talked!
laga:)11:23
CDG52you wouldnt happen to know if mythbuntu has samba installed on the livecd?11:24
laganope, sorry. i don't know.11:24
CDG52darn :(11:24
CDG52i havnt been able to connect to any windows networks with livecd even that would be great11:24
CDG52know any way to  post out my installer crash to a file to post online?11:26
lagaCDG52: have you run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade yet?11:26
CDG52no i wanted to get my error down first11:26
CDG52i will in one moment11:26
lagawhat kind of installer crash is it? just text?11:27
CDG52it reports back issues installing mythtv11:28
lagai should try mythbuntu some time11:28
lagaright now, i'm struggling with tv-out11:28
CDG52ah11:28
CDG52so you havnt tried it yet?11:28
CDG52i love ubuntu, really nice so i figured mythbuntu would be perfect for my mediacenter pc11:29
lagano, i haven't had time yet11:29
lagaheh11:29
lagait's still in its early stages, though11:29
CDG52yeah11:29
lagaheh11:29
lagayou must have noticed ;)11:29
CDG52o yes i deffinitly noticed11:30
CDG52its a great idea11:30
CDG52it sorta sites there when i do sudo apt-get update saying connecting to mythbuntu.org11:31
CDG52but firefox works11:31
lagaare you behind a proxy?11:32
CDG52wops network cable got tuged out11:32
laga:)11:32
CDG52my box is sitting next to my feet11:32
CDG52must have just slipted and tuged it out11:32
CDG52i should really find myself a cable around here that has a clip11:32
CDG52actualy im kinda not expecting mythbuntu to do to well, since xboxmediacenter is being ported to linux11:33
CDG52once that is released im switched11:33
lagaum11:33
lagado you realise that xbmc is not a PVR software?11:34
CDG52it will have it on the port11:34
CDG52you cant get a tv card in a xbox11:34
CDG52but since you can in a normal pc they will port that in11:34
lagayou sure?11:35
CDG52if they dont that would be the worst move they make11:35
lagaheh11:35
CDG52the interface is so nice11:35
CDG52i love xbmc the only issue is no tuner11:35
lagamythtv, especially its TV part, has been under heavy development for quite a few years now.11:35
CDG52saying the xbox is so small11:35
lagaCDG52: you can use the mythtv scripts11:35
rogue780|mythsrvlaga, what tv-out issues do you have?11:36
CDG52scripts?11:36
CDG52o wow updating gives you a new installer11:36
lagarogue780|mythsrv: tv-out itself is working, KDE comes up on the TV on display :0.1. i just wonder how i can make "it" (it being kdm, i suppose) start fluxbox instead of kde for that display.11:36
lagaCDG52: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/11:37
rogue780|mythsrvwhy are you using kdm instead of gdm? it's super easy with gdm11:37
rogue780|mythsrvoh wait11:37
lagabecause i'm using *k*ubuntu11:37
CDG52thanku11:37
lagabecause gnome is super annoying11:37
laga:)11:37
laga(IMHO)11:38
CDG52i like gnome better11:38
rogue780|mythsrvyou want kde in one monitor and fluxbox on tv-out?11:38
lagarogue780|mythsrv: yup.11:38
CDG52if you config it correctly it looks just like kde11:38
CDG52but has a smoother run11:38
rogue780|mythsrvI like gnome because I've becomes used to it I think it the only reason11:38
lagaheh11:38
rogue780|mythsrvused it back in the day of slackware 4.0 and ever since11:38
lagai used to use it, but i like some KDE apps better and i tend to agree with linus torvald's opinion on that one11:39
CDG52i really need to understand mythtv and how it works11:39
CDG52because i dont understand how you can watch live tv on one computer aka the frontend and have a backend computer with the tv tuner11:40
lagaCDG52: well, it's the tcp/ip pixies11:40
rogue780|mythsrvlaga, I've had no issues running kde apps under gnome thus far...is there a big difference?11:40
CDG52yeah but wont that lag a network11:40
CDG52and have somewhat of a delay11:40
rogue780|mythsrvCDG52, if you have a switch, then no it won't lag the network11:41
rogue780|mythsrvCDG52, and there is about a 2-5 second delay when watching live tv with a hauppauge pvr-15011:41
rogue780|mythsrvbecause of the onboard mpeg2 encoder. any card with an onboard encoder will give you lag, and as long as the network is 100MBPS+ the lag is from the card and not the network11:42
rogue780|mythsrvin my experience anyway11:42
CDG52ah11:43
CDG52well what sort of bandwidth does it use?11:43
CDG52im sure its gotta be sending slightly large files over the network for live tv11:43
rogue780|mythsrvif you plan to have your frontend connected wirelessly keep in mind that 802.11g is the minimum requirement and that wi-fi is hub based meaning that bandwidth is shared. so if you are watching tv on your front end and decided to download a big file on your laptop over wifi, it might get choppy, so avoid wifi with mythtv11:43
rogue780|mythsrvCDG52, right, but not all at once. a  1 hr show is about 2.2GB11:44
rogue780|mythsrvthat/s 36MB a minute11:44
rogue780|mythsrvor 600KBps11:44
rogue780|mythsrvabout11:44
CDG52ah not bad11:44
rogue780|mythsrvfor an SDTV recording11:44
rogue780|mythsrvso basically can you watch live tv over the internet? no. can you watch live tv w/o lag over a wired 100Mbps network? absolutely11:45
CDG52well if you have a upload rate of 600kbps you can watch it online11:46
CDG52now if anyone has that at there house, i might want to move in11:46
rogue780|mythsrvright...but keep in mind that's kilobytes not kilobauds11:46
rogue780|mythsrvlol11:46
CDG52right11:46
CDG52i always thought it was bits not bauds11:47
rogue780|mythsrvI'm not sure how big an HDTV recording is though. I'm still stuck in the 90s as far as tvs go11:47
CDG52or are those one in the same because in my cisco training i never read that11:47
rogue780|mythsrvbaud = bits per second11:47
CDG52ah11:47
rogue780|mythsrvAFAIK11:47
CDG52cisco needs to add that in there ciriculum11:47
CDG52ah the installer went well11:48
CDG52100% and rebooting now11:48
rogue780|mythsrvwait, I was mistaken on the baud thing11:48
rogue780|mythsrvhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/baud11:49
CDG52yeah i thought it was kilobits not kilobauds11:49
rogue780|mythsrvgo figure...I assumed and well you know what happens when one assumes...11:50
CDG52haha well no hard feelings11:50
CDG52ugh i hate stupid compaqs11:50
rogue780|mythsrvnever really researched it before11:50
rogue780|mythsrvlol11:50
CDG52i reboot it and it sits there!11:50
CDG52with a blackscreen11:50
rogue780|mythsrvI got a free compaq 3ghz little gem11:50
CDG52i got a free 2.611:51
rogue780|mythsrvit's my "I can screw with you however I want" computer11:51
CDG52computer work, they could pay me $300 to get them a new hard drive and install it with windows and all or u can go buy a $400 computer bran new11:51
CDG52they went with the new computer and gave me the olld one11:51
CDG52smart people11:51
CDG52haha yeah i figured hey compaq is my mediacenter now11:52
CDG52crap my mouse kicked out again11:52
rogue780|mythsrvI've got a few free computers that way11:53
rogue780|mythsrvsomeone gave me a dual PII 400mhz rack mount server that's big enough to sleep on11:53
rogue780|mythsrvstill not sure what to do with it11:53
CDG52haha11:53
rogue780|mythsrvwell I was half right about the baud thing (I obsess whenever I find I was wrong about something...so bear with me)11:54
rogue780|mythsrv"Early modems operated only at one bit per symbol, and so baud rate and bit rate for those devices were equivalent. This has led many to believe the two terms to be synonymous, which they are not."11:54
rogue780|mythsrvI'm done11:54
rogue780|mythsrvCDG52, do you like the usplash for mythbuntu?11:55
CDG52its alright11:55
CDG52hmm so my channell scanner cant open my card...11:55
CDG52i have the Hauppauge bt878 it apears11:56
CDG52it detects it11:56
rogue780|mythsrvwhich is all right? me obsessing, or the usplash?11:56
rogue780|mythsrvdoes that use the standard ivtv drivers11:56
CDG52both is alright11:56
CDG52i have no idea what drivers it uses11:56
CDG52first time ive friend it with linux11:56
CDG52it has always been in a windows media center11:57
rogue780|mythsrvyou need the bttv driver11:57
CDG52how do i put that on?11:57
rogue780|mythsrvI'm looking it up now11:58
CDG52thank you11:58
CDG52its always a great thing to find people like you two11:58
rogue780|mythsrvhttp://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/BTTV.html12:00
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rogue780|mythsrvnot sure how this works on ubuntu...but it's the bttv howto listed on the official mythtv wiki12:00
rogue780|mythsrvsuperm1: ping12:00
superm1hey rogue780|mythsrv12:00
superm1did my previous responses show up12:01
superm1like the last 10min?12:01
rogue780|mythsrvhey, do you know anything about bttv, more specifically the hauppauge bt878 tuner?12:01
rogue780|mythsrvnope12:01
superm1oh weird12:01
superm1well a bit about them12:01
superm1whats your ?12:01
rogue780|mythsrvCDG52, is having issues12:01
superm1CDG52, regarding the mythbuntu installer crash, things should be much better after that ubiquity update12:01
superm1you should be able to get an entire install done for a master backend/frontend properly now12:02
rogue780|mythsrv<CDG52> hmm so my channell scanner cant open my card...12:02
rogue780|mythsrv<CDG52> i have the Hauppauge bt878 it apears12:02
rogue780|mythsrv<CDG52> it detects it12:02
CDG52i did run the update in live12:02
superm1CDG52, and the installer is fixed now correct?12:02
CDG52and install worked fine12:02
superm1very good12:02
rogue780|mythsrvsuperm1, when are you adding video card detection to the livecd?12:03
superm1does channel scanner say why it won't open the card12:03
superm1rogue780|mythsrv, working on it as we speak :)12:03
superm1although i really should be doing some homework :)12:03
rogue780|mythsrv:) I'm hoping that will fix the issue with my blank screen12:03
CDG52odd, after running the frist installs when you boot off the hard drive, i attempted all the stuff and go to run the tv it says could not connect to the master backend server12:04
superm1rogue780|mythsrv, I dont think i'm going to activate the driver until the first reboot though12:04
CDG52yet i set the backend up on the same pc as the frontend12:04
superm1CDG52, did you go through all the sections in mythtv-setup12:05
superm1when it came up12:05
superm1particularly the 'general' section?12:05
CDG52yes but it said it couldnt open my card12:06
CDG52but it did detect it12:06
CDG52and now i cant get back into the setupt12:06
superm1CDG52, ah okay.12:07
superm1i think i might have an idea what it is12:07
CDG52o goodie12:07
superm1can you leave the frontend, and when you get spit back out to the login screen12:07
superm1log in12:07
superm1as the user created during install12:07
rogue780|mythsrvsuperm1, that makes me a sad panda12:07
CDG52um it wont let me exit front end12:07
CDG52it reboots12:07
superm1it reboots the computer?12:07
superm1or the X session12:08
rogue780|mythsrvsuperm1, and why does killing the frontend kill the x session? it's super annoying12:08
CDG52i htink the computer12:08
superm1CDG52, it should just restart the X session12:08
superm1rogue780|mythsrv, so that if it crashes, things come back up sanely12:08
superm1keescook and I agreed that was the better way to go12:08
superm1rather than leaving you at a blank screen12:08
CDG52blackscreen12:09
rogue780|mythsrvah, I had a script activated by the power button that would kill or restart mythfrontend for me incase it ever died12:09
rogue780|mythsrvusually when it dies it freezes instead of black screen12:09
CDG52yeah my numblock works fine12:09
rogue780|mythsrvback with edgy anyway12:09
superm1CDG52, okay, well if its doing that for you, how about this.  at that mythtv front screen, can you hit "CTRL ALT (right arrow)"12:10
superm1and then right click the desktop and choose the terminal12:10
superm1and then I have two commands I want you to run12:11
superm1ls -l /dev/video*12:11
superm1and take a look at each line.  It should have "root video" listed as permissions12:11
superm1let me know if it says anything else for any of them12:11
CDG52only one video and its video012:17
CDG52and i see nothing of rootvideo12:17
superm1what does it show?12:17
CDG52crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-06-10 14:1512:18
CDG52wpos12:18
CDG52wops12:18
superm1okay so permissions are right then12:18
CDG52crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-06-10 14:15 /dev/video012:18
superm1can you type groups12:18
CDG52?12:18
superm1and see what groups the mythtv user is in12:18
superm1'group12:18
superm1'groups'12:18
superm1it will spit out a list like this: mythtv dialout cdrom audio video admin12:19
CDG52mythtv dialout cdrom audio video12:19
superm1okay well then permissions can't be the cause of the issue12:20
superm1can you check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log?12:20
superm1and see if the backend is starting up?12:20
superm1or if it is more informative about permissions troubles12:20
CDG52vi it?12:20
superm1vi or nano will do12:21
CDG52it says permission denied12:21
CDG52and i dont know hte password12:21
CDG52o wait nvm12:21
superm1permission denied... that'd be odd12:21
superm1it should be owned by mythtv:mythtv12:22
superm1(which your logged in as the mythtv user)12:22
CDG52ok i sudo su with no password worked12:23
CDG52in the log it says this12:23
CDG52"No settings found for this machines backendserverip12:24
CDG52please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of general settings12:24
superm1Ok so the problem was that you didnt get through that first page then12:25
superm1of the general setup12:25
CDG52i suppose12:25
CDG52i started setup12:26
superm1ok12:26
CDG52what is video sources in the setup?12:26

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