[03:30] <tgm4883> is pvr-500 support built into feisty?
[03:34] <tgm4883> I guess what I really want to know is what is built into feisty that supports the PVR-150, is it IVTV?
[03:59] <OpenMediaSupport> Yes you will need the ivtv drivers
[08:12] <superm1> tgm4883, pvr-500 support is built into feisty (ivtv drivers are included with feisty)
[08:19] <superm1> tgm4883, so there should be no need to manually load ivtv kernel modules or ivtv firmware for the drivers to function as expected
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #103192 in lirc (main) "Activity on a LIRC remote does not wake computer from Gnomescreensaver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103192
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[11:37] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[04:47] <rogue780|mythsrv> http://wubuntu.weejewel.net
[04:55] <laga> o_O
[04:58] <laga> i wonder if we should have an additional mythtv-contrib package that just ships all the neat little tools found in mythtv/contrib
[06:39] <superm1> morning Daviey
[06:39] <superm1> Daviey, pong
[06:50] <Daviey> hey ho
[06:51] <Daviey> Can't remember what i wanted..
[06:51] <Daviey> sorry about missing the 'defaults'
[06:52] <Daviey> really can't remember what i wanted.. grr
[07:02] <superm1> Daviey, there was something else too..
[07:02] <superm1> it was done outside the chroot
[07:02] <superm1> so i just had to move it up 5 lines or so
[07:03] <superm1> but it works perfectly as expected now :)
[09:31] <keescook> laga: they're shipping as part of the backend in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend I think.  I wouldn't want to make a separate package for it just because they're not really "official" scripts.
[09:32] <keescook> (yeah, they're in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib though larger bits are .gz'd)
[09:32] <laga> must have missed them
[09:32] <laga> thanks
[11:01] <CDG52> does the latest edition of mythbuntu frontend work in live mode?
[11:23] <laga> :)
[11:24] <CDG52> you wouldnt happen to know if mythbuntu has samba installed on the livecd?
[11:24] <laga> nope, sorry. i don't know.
[11:24] <CDG52> darn :(
[11:24] <CDG52> i havnt been able to connect to any windows networks with livecd even that would be great
[11:26] <CDG52> know any way to  post out my installer crash to a file to post online?
[11:26] <laga> CDG52: have you run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade yet?
[11:26] <CDG52> no i wanted to get my error down first
[11:26] <CDG52> i will in one moment
[11:27] <laga> what kind of installer crash is it? just text?
[11:28] <CDG52> it reports back issues installing mythtv
[11:28] <laga> i should try mythbuntu some time
[11:28] <laga> right now, i'm struggling with tv-out
[11:28] <CDG52> ah
[11:28] <CDG52> so you havnt tried it yet?
[11:29] <CDG52> i love ubuntu, really nice so i figured mythbuntu would be perfect for my mediacenter pc
[11:29] <laga> no, i haven't had time yet
[11:29] <laga> heh
[11:29] <laga> it's still in its early stages, though
[11:29] <CDG52> yeah
[11:29] <laga> heh
[11:29] <laga> you must have noticed ;)
[11:30] <CDG52> o yes i deffinitly noticed
[11:30] <CDG52> its a great idea
[11:31] <CDG52> it sorta sites there when i do sudo apt-get update saying connecting to mythbuntu.org
[11:31] <CDG52> but firefox works
[11:32] <laga> are you behind a proxy?
[11:32] <CDG52> wops network cable got tuged out
[11:32] <laga> :)
[11:32] <CDG52> my box is sitting next to my feet
[11:32] <CDG52> must have just slipted and tuged it out
[11:32] <CDG52> i should really find myself a cable around here that has a clip
[11:33] <CDG52> actualy im kinda not expecting mythbuntu to do to well, since xboxmediacenter is being ported to linux
[11:33] <CDG52> once that is released im switched
[11:33] <laga> um
[11:34] <laga> do you realise that xbmc is not a PVR software?
[11:34] <CDG52> it will have it on the port
[11:34] <CDG52> you cant get a tv card in a xbox
[11:34] <CDG52> but since you can in a normal pc they will port that in
[11:35] <laga> you sure?
[11:35] <CDG52> if they dont that would be the worst move they make
[11:35] <laga> heh
[11:35] <CDG52> the interface is so nice
[11:35] <CDG52> i love xbmc the only issue is no tuner
[11:35] <laga> mythtv, especially its TV part, has been under heavy development for quite a few years now.
[11:35] <CDG52> saying the xbox is so small
[11:35] <laga> CDG52: you can use the mythtv scripts
[11:36] <rogue780|mythsrv> laga, what tv-out issues do you have?
[11:36] <CDG52> scripts?
[11:36] <CDG52> o wow updating gives you a new installer
[11:36] <laga> rogue780|mythsrv: tv-out itself is working, KDE comes up on the TV on display :0.1. i just wonder how i can make "it" (it being kdm, i suppose) start fluxbox instead of kde for that display.
[11:37] <laga> CDG52: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/
[11:37] <rogue780|mythsrv> why are you using kdm instead of gdm? it's super easy with gdm
[11:37] <rogue780|mythsrv> oh wait
[11:37] <laga> because i'm using *k*ubuntu
[11:37] <CDG52> thanku
[11:37] <laga> because gnome is super annoying
[11:37] <laga> :)
[11:38] <laga> (IMHO)
[11:38] <CDG52> i like gnome better
[11:38] <rogue780|mythsrv> you want kde in one monitor and fluxbox on tv-out?
[11:38] <laga> rogue780|mythsrv: yup.
[11:38] <CDG52> if you config it correctly it looks just like kde
[11:38] <CDG52> but has a smoother run
[11:38] <rogue780|mythsrv> I like gnome because I've becomes used to it I think it the only reason
[11:38] <laga> heh
[11:38] <rogue780|mythsrv> used it back in the day of slackware 4.0 and ever since
[11:39] <laga> i used to use it, but i like some KDE apps better and i tend to agree with linus torvald's opinion on that one
[11:39] <CDG52> i really need to understand mythtv and how it works
[11:40] <CDG52> because i dont understand how you can watch live tv on one computer aka the frontend and have a backend computer with the tv tuner
[11:40] <laga> CDG52: well, it's the tcp/ip pixies
[11:40] <rogue780|mythsrv> laga, I've had no issues running kde apps under gnome thus far...is there a big difference?
[11:40] <CDG52> yeah but wont that lag a network
[11:40] <CDG52> and have somewhat of a delay
[11:41] <rogue780|mythsrv> CDG52, if you have a switch, then no it won't lag the network
[11:41] <rogue780|mythsrv> CDG52, and there is about a 2-5 second delay when watching live tv with a hauppauge pvr-150
[11:42] <rogue780|mythsrv> because of the onboard mpeg2 encoder. any card with an onboard encoder will give you lag, and as long as the network is 100MBPS+ the lag is from the card and not the network
[11:42] <rogue780|mythsrv> in my experience anyway
[11:43] <CDG52> ah
[11:43] <CDG52> well what sort of bandwidth does it use?
[11:43] <CDG52> im sure its gotta be sending slightly large files over the network for live tv
[11:43] <rogue780|mythsrv> if you plan to have your frontend connected wirelessly keep in mind that 802.11g is the minimum requirement and that wi-fi is hub based meaning that bandwidth is shared. so if you are watching tv on your front end and decided to download a big file on your laptop over wifi, it might get choppy, so avoid wifi with mythtv
[11:44] <rogue780|mythsrv> CDG52, right, but not all at once. a  1 hr show is about 2.2GB
[11:44] <rogue780|mythsrv> that/s 36MB a minute
[11:44] <rogue780|mythsrv> or 600KBps
[11:44] <rogue780|mythsrv> about
[11:44] <CDG52> ah not bad
[11:44] <rogue780|mythsrv> for an SDTV recording
[11:45] <rogue780|mythsrv> so basically can you watch live tv over the internet? no. can you watch live tv w/o lag over a wired 100Mbps network? absolutely
[11:46] <CDG52> well if you have a upload rate of 600kbps you can watch it online
[11:46] <CDG52> now if anyone has that at there house, i might want to move in
[11:46] <rogue780|mythsrv> right...but keep in mind that's kilobytes not kilobauds
[11:46] <rogue780|mythsrv> lol
[11:46] <CDG52> right
[11:47] <CDG52> i always thought it was bits not bauds
[11:47] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm not sure how big an HDTV recording is though. I'm still stuck in the 90s as far as tvs go
[11:47] <CDG52> or are those one in the same because in my cisco training i never read that
[11:47] <rogue780|mythsrv> baud = bits per second
[11:47] <CDG52> ah
[11:47] <rogue780|mythsrv> AFAIK
[11:47] <CDG52> cisco needs to add that in there ciriculum
[11:48] <CDG52> ah the installer went well
[11:48] <CDG52> 100% and rebooting now
[11:48] <rogue780|mythsrv> wait, I was mistaken on the baud thing
[11:49] <rogue780|mythsrv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/baud
[11:49] <CDG52> yeah i thought it was kilobits not kilobauds
[11:50] <rogue780|mythsrv> go figure...I assumed and well you know what happens when one assumes...
[11:50] <CDG52> haha well no hard feelings
[11:50] <CDG52> ugh i hate stupid compaqs
[11:50] <rogue780|mythsrv> never really researched it before
[11:50] <rogue780|mythsrv> lol
[11:50] <CDG52> i reboot it and it sits there!
[11:50] <CDG52> with a blackscreen
[11:50] <rogue780|mythsrv> I got a free compaq 3ghz little gem
[11:51] <CDG52> i got a free 2.6
[11:51] <rogue780|mythsrv> it's my "I can screw with you however I want" computer
[11:51] <CDG52> computer work, they could pay me $300 to get them a new hard drive and install it with windows and all or u can go buy a $400 computer bran new
[11:51] <CDG52> they went with the new computer and gave me the olld one
[11:51] <CDG52> smart people
[11:52] <CDG52> haha yeah i figured hey compaq is my mediacenter now
[11:52] <CDG52> crap my mouse kicked out again
[11:53] <rogue780|mythsrv> I've got a few free computers that way
[11:53] <rogue780|mythsrv> someone gave me a dual PII 400mhz rack mount server that's big enough to sleep on
[11:53] <rogue780|mythsrv> still not sure what to do with it
[11:53] <CDG52> haha
[11:54] <rogue780|mythsrv> well I was half right about the baud thing (I obsess whenever I find I was wrong about something...so bear with me)
[11:54] <rogue780|mythsrv> "Early modems operated only at one bit per symbol, and so baud rate and bit rate for those devices were equivalent. This has led many to believe the two terms to be synonymous, which they are not."
[11:54] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm done
[11:55] <rogue780|mythsrv> CDG52, do you like the usplash for mythbuntu?
[11:55] <CDG52> its alright
[11:55] <CDG52> hmm so my channell scanner cant open my card...
[11:56] <CDG52> i have the Hauppauge bt878 it apears
[11:56] <CDG52> it detects it
[11:56] <rogue780|mythsrv> which is all right? me obsessing, or the usplash?
[11:56] <rogue780|mythsrv> does that use the standard ivtv drivers
[11:56] <CDG52> both is alright
[11:56] <CDG52> i have no idea what drivers it uses
[11:56] <CDG52> first time ive friend it with linux
[11:57] <CDG52> it has always been in a windows media center
[11:57] <rogue780|mythsrv> you need the bttv driver
[11:57] <CDG52> how do i put that on?
[11:58] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm looking it up now
[11:58] <CDG52> thank you
[11:58] <CDG52> its always a great thing to find people like you two
[12:00] <rogue780|mythsrv> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/BTTV.html
[12:00] <rogue780|mythsrv> not sure how this works on ubuntu...but it's the bttv howto listed on the official mythtv wiki
[12:00] <rogue780|mythsrv> superm1: ping
[12:00] <superm1> hey rogue780|mythsrv
[12:01] <superm1> did my previous responses show up
[12:01] <superm1> like the last 10min?
[12:01] <rogue780|mythsrv> hey, do you know anything about bttv, more specifically the hauppauge bt878 tuner?
[12:01] <rogue780|mythsrv> nope
[12:01] <superm1> oh weird
[12:01] <superm1> well a bit about them
[12:01] <superm1> whats your ?
[12:01] <rogue780|mythsrv> CDG52, is having issues
[12:01] <superm1> CDG52, regarding the mythbuntu installer crash, things should be much better after that ubiquity update
[12:02] <superm1> you should be able to get an entire install done for a master backend/frontend properly now
 hmm so my channell scanner cant open my card...
 i have the Hauppauge bt878 it apears
 it detects it
[12:02] <CDG52> i did run the update in live
[12:02] <superm1> CDG52, and the installer is fixed now correct?
[12:02] <CDG52> and install worked fine
[12:02] <superm1> very good
[12:03] <rogue780|mythsrv> superm1, when are you adding video card detection to the livecd?
[12:03] <superm1> does channel scanner say why it won't open the card
[12:03] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, working on it as we speak :)
[12:03] <superm1> although i really should be doing some homework :)
[12:03] <rogue780|mythsrv> :) I'm hoping that will fix the issue with my blank screen
[12:04] <CDG52> odd, after running the frist installs when you boot off the hard drive, i attempted all the stuff and go to run the tv it says could not connect to the master backend server
[12:04] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, I dont think i'm going to activate the driver until the first reboot though
[12:04] <CDG52> yet i set the backend up on the same pc as the frontend
[12:05] <superm1> CDG52, did you go through all the sections in mythtv-setup
[12:05] <superm1> when it came up
[12:05] <superm1> particularly the 'general' section?
[12:06] <CDG52> yes but it said it couldnt open my card
[12:06] <CDG52> but it did detect it
[12:06] <CDG52> and now i cant get back into the setupt
[12:07] <superm1> CDG52, ah okay.
[12:07] <superm1> i think i might have an idea what it is
[12:07] <CDG52> o goodie
[12:07] <superm1> can you leave the frontend, and when you get spit back out to the login screen
[12:07] <superm1> log in
[12:07] <superm1> as the user created during install
[12:07] <rogue780|mythsrv> superm1, that makes me a sad panda
[12:07] <CDG52> um it wont let me exit front end
[12:07] <CDG52> it reboots
[12:07] <superm1> it reboots the computer?
[12:08] <superm1> or the X session
[12:08] <rogue780|mythsrv> superm1, and why does killing the frontend kill the x session? it's super annoying
[12:08] <CDG52> i htink the computer
[12:08] <superm1> CDG52, it should just restart the X session
[12:08] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, so that if it crashes, things come back up sanely
[12:08] <superm1> keescook and I agreed that was the better way to go
[12:08] <superm1> rather than leaving you at a blank screen
[12:09] <CDG52> blackscreen
[12:09] <rogue780|mythsrv> ah, I had a script activated by the power button that would kill or restart mythfrontend for me incase it ever died
[12:09] <rogue780|mythsrv> usually when it dies it freezes instead of black screen
[12:09] <CDG52> yeah my numblock works fine
[12:09] <rogue780|mythsrv> back with edgy anyway
[12:10] <superm1> CDG52, okay, well if its doing that for you, how about this.  at that mythtv front screen, can you hit "CTRL ALT (right arrow)"
[12:10] <superm1> and then right click the desktop and choose the terminal
[12:11] <superm1> and then I have two commands I want you to run
[12:11] <superm1> ls -l /dev/video*
[12:11] <superm1> and take a look at each line.  It should have "root video" listed as permissions
[12:11] <superm1> let me know if it says anything else for any of them
[12:17] <CDG52> only one video and its video0
[12:17] <CDG52> and i see nothing of rootvideo
[12:17] <superm1> what does it show?
[12:18] <CDG52> crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-06-10 14:15
[12:18] <CDG52> wpos
[12:18] <CDG52> wops
[12:18] <superm1> okay so permissions are right then
[12:18] <CDG52> crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-06-10 14:15 /dev/video0
[12:18] <superm1> can you type groups
[12:18] <CDG52> ?
[12:18] <superm1> and see what groups the mythtv user is in
[12:18] <superm1> 'group
[12:18] <superm1> 'groups'
[12:19] <superm1> it will spit out a list like this: mythtv dialout cdrom audio video admin
[12:19] <CDG52> mythtv dialout cdrom audio video
[12:20] <superm1> okay well then permissions can't be the cause of the issue
[12:20] <superm1> can you check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log?
[12:20] <superm1> and see if the backend is starting up?
[12:20] <superm1> or if it is more informative about permissions troubles
[12:20] <CDG52> vi it?
[12:21] <superm1> vi or nano will do
[12:21] <CDG52> it says permission denied
[12:21] <CDG52> and i dont know hte password
[12:21] <CDG52> o wait nvm
[12:21] <superm1> permission denied... that'd be odd
[12:22] <superm1> it should be owned by mythtv:mythtv
[12:22] <superm1> (which your logged in as the mythtv user)
[12:23] <CDG52> ok i sudo su with no password worked
[12:23] <CDG52> in the log it says this
[12:24] <CDG52> "No settings found for this machines backendserverip
[12:24] <CDG52> please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of general settings
[12:25] <superm1> Ok so the problem was that you didnt get through that first page then
[12:25] <superm1> of the general setup
[12:25] <CDG52> i suppose
[12:26] <CDG52> i started setup
[12:26] <superm1> ok
[12:26] <CDG52> what is video sources in the setup?