[12:32] <Rocito> Hi! I wanna setup a way to graphically ssh into a windows-box over the internet from my xubuntu box
[12:33] <Rocito> anyone have relevant xp on the matter?
[12:35] <aroo> I'd offer help but I've never done it with Windows
[12:38] <Rocito> ah
[12:38] <Rocito> could you point me in the right direction?
[12:38] <Rocito> i'm sure it won't differ too much
[12:39] <Rocito> aroo - a few lines up :)
[12:40] <aroo> I'm not sure on the differences but I've used x11vnc and vncserver
[12:40] <aroo> No clue if they are available on Windows
[12:43] <Rocito> thanks aroo , i'll look it up. Know anything about PuTTy?
[12:52] <aroo> Sorry Rocito for not checking this channel often, I know enough to ssh with it
[01:11] <bulio> can I edit partitions with the xubuntu live/install CD?
[01:12] <bulio> without actually installing Xubuntu
[01:13] <Rocito> Ok thanks aroo, i think i'll use x11vnc to log into windows native 'desktop sharing' VNC server, it should work fine... .. . .. wishful thinking ;)
[01:17] <odat> hi everyone
[01:18] <odat> anyone know where to find the irc channel for deli linux?
[01:20] <odat> /join #ubuntu
[01:51] <bulio|> I'm running an Xubuntu CD, and am trying to access my Desktop of a broken xubuntu install
[01:51] <bulio|> I keep trying to access it, but it says permission denied
[01:51] <bulio|> is there some way I can get into the desktop so that I can backup my files?
[01:54] <bulio|> anyone?
[02:21] <cliebow> bulio|, did you try to mount the hard drive with sudo?
[02:25] <bulio|> cliebow: I'll try in a second
[02:36] <Wolfcastle> greetings
[02:37] <Wolfcastle> which is the best way to update xubuntu edgy? with aptitutde or from a cd?
[02:39] <j1mc> Wolfcastle: i had a good experience with the GUI upgrade manager.
[02:39] <Wolfcastle> you mean synaptic?
[02:39] <j1mc> one thing... before you upgrade, can you make sure that you have the xubuntu-desktop meta-package installed.
[02:39] <j1mc> Wolfcastle: no, there's a separate application.
[02:39] <j1mc> not synaptic.
[02:39] <j1mc> let me see if i can find the name of it.
[02:40] <Wolfcastle> thanx
[02:41] <j1mc> here is a link to a good site that should take you through it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3d4kkg
[02:41] <j1mc> (i've put the page in preview mode . . . via tinyurl)
[02:42] <Wolfcastle> thank you :-)
[02:43] <j1mc> yw.
[02:43] <j1mc> check to make sure you have the xubuntu-desktop package installed.  :)
[02:43] <j1mc> and do you have any automatix stuff installed?
[02:43] <j1mc> Wolfcastle: ping  :)
[02:44] <Wolfcastle> nop don't think i have automatix
[02:44] <Wolfcastle> xubuntu-desktop yes i have it
[02:44] <j1mc> ok.  you'd know if you have automatix installed.
[02:44] <j1mc> sounds good.  :)  good luck!
[02:58] <i-like-beans> How can you make it so X doesnt automatically run at start up and can be started and stopped manually?
[03:01] <j1mc> you need to change your run level, i-like-beans
[03:02] <cellofellow> i-like-beans: install sysv-rc-conf, open it in a terminal, and make it so that 'gdm' doesn't start on runlevel 2.
[03:03] <i-like-beans> j1mc, thanks
[03:03] <i-like-beans> cellofellow, thank you also I'll try that now
[03:03] <j1mc> cellofellow: what about this: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html
[03:04] <cellofellow> keep it on runlevel 3 so if you want to use it just do 'sudo init 3'
[03:04] <j1mc> editing /etc/inittab
[03:06] <cellofellow> I like sysv-rc-conf
[03:06] <j1mc> hmmm... ok.  i'll have to check that out.
[03:06] <i-like-beans> And one other thing, what terminal command can I use to list the hardware I have?
[03:07] <GrueTamer> lspci
[03:07] <j1mc> lspci is a good one
[03:07] <GrueTamer> lspci is like ls for hardware, i love it :)
[03:07] <j1mc> cat /proc/meminfo will list your memory informatoin
[03:07] <j1mc> cat /proc/cpuinfo will list cpu info
[03:07] <i-like-beans> thanks again guys
[03:19] <vidd> hyper_ch, can i bug ya again about wordpress?
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> forgot command for bach to make a .txt log
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> something like > file.txt
[03:20] <j1mc> Catoptromancy: well, what are you trying to do?
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> actually i got it
[03:22] <j1mc> if you enter something like "cat /proc/cpuinfo > cpuinfo.txt" it will pipe the output of that command to that text file
[03:22] <Catoptromancy> ya
[03:58] <vidd> *wave* cellofellow
[03:59] <cellofellow> *wave* everyone
[03:59] <cellofellow> particularly Vidd
[03:59] <vidd> cellofellow, check my blog:
[03:59] <cellofellow> viid.blogspot.com?
[03:59] <vidd> http://vidd.us/wordpress
[04:08] <Eagle_101> !ntfs
[04:08] <vidd> cellofellow, new post updated
[04:08] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:09] <cellofellow> vidd ok
[04:09] <Eagle_101> !ntfs-3g
[04:09] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:13] <cellofellow> I have a file with lots of ^M stuff, isn't that DOS format? How do I  convert that?
[04:28] <bulio|> how do I install pidgin on xubuntu?
[04:28] <bulio|> only gaim is in the repos
[04:30] <cellofellow> go to vidds download page, he has a deb package of pidgin on their
[04:30] <cellofellow> vidd: right? ^^
[04:31] <bulio|> ok
[04:32] <cellofellow> try packages.debian.org maybe.
[04:32] <cellofellow> Use Sid (Unstable) packages in Ubuntu.
[04:36] <bulio|> how do I have Xubuntu automatically mount a drive?
[04:36] <vidd> cellofellow, yes
[04:36] <vidd> vidd.us/downloads
[04:37] <cellofellow> vidd: nice blog. Needs a theme. ;)
[04:37] <vidd> yeah
[04:37] <vidd> like my site? or have you not looked?
[04:38] <cellofellow> bulio|: if it's internal, add it to fstab. If it's removable, set up Volume Management (Apps -> Settings -> File Manager -> Advanced (Tab) -> Configure Volume Management (Hyperlink).
[04:38] <cellofellow> vidd: surfing about
[04:38] <bulio|> cellofellow: its internal
[04:38] <vidd> cellofellow, i was refering to the look...there isnt much content yet
[04:39] <cellofellow> surfing around rather
[04:39] <bulio|> and finally, how do I change ownership of said drive to a certain user?
[04:39] <vidd> jester45 set it up for me...
[04:39] <cellofellow> bulio|: what /dev file and what FS
[04:39] <bulio|> I want my user to have read/write access to it
[04:39] <cellofellow> bulio|: all in /etc/fstab
[04:39] <cellofellow> !fstab
[04:39] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:39] <cellofellow> sorry I am not an expert on fstab
[04:39] <bulio|> /dev/hda7
[04:40] <cellofellow> vidd: Virtural :( Virtual
[04:40] <vidd> woops...
[04:40] <cellofellow> where'd you get the HTML theme?
[04:40] <cellofellow> template thing
[04:41] <cellofellow> or is it powered by Drupal or something?
[04:41] <vidd> come to #viddandme ...jester45 made it...he'd be the one to ask
[04:42] <cellofellow> ok
[04:42] <cellofellow> sweet stuff. 300000 mbit line + no bandwidth limit
[04:42] <cellofellow> how much $$$?
[04:43] <bulio|> and finally, how do I change ownership of a drive to a certain user?
[04:43] <bulio|> chown -R /mnt/storage?
[04:43] <cellofellow> it's the uid=number option
[04:43] <cellofellow> in fstab
[04:43] <cellofellow> as much as I know about it
[04:43] <vidd> cellofellow, the site is not complete...the info is not yet "accuracy proofed"
[04:43] <cellofellow> oh, I see, just a bunch of filler text.
[04:45] <vidd> yes
[04:47] <vidd> cellofellow, Jester45 said he got the theme from "somewhere on google"
[04:47] <cellofellow> ok
[04:48] <cellofellow> uses divs and CSS for layout, that's good.
[04:53] <Jester45> yea i dont remember where
[04:53] <Jester45> i searched for 3 column
[04:54] <Jester45> err more "3 column html "
[04:56] <cellofellow> no worries
[04:57] <vidd> cellofellow, you want some space?
[04:58] <cellofellow> I'm good with what I have now, but if you don't mind I may like some later. :)
[04:59] <vidd> np...special "discounted" rates...to all the good ppl that have and will help me out
[05:07] <bulio|> vidd: you only have pidgin 2.0 on your site?
[05:07] <bulio|> not 2.0.1?
[05:07] <Jester45> yea... i found that one a while ago
[05:07] <vidd> no...didnt know they updated it ;9
[05:07] <vidd> :(
[05:07] <bulio|> oh :P
[05:08] <Jester45> vidd is that the one i found
[05:08] <bulio|> it should be fine for now
[05:12] <vidd> bulio|, uploading new 2.0.1-1 deb now
[05:13] <vidd> upload complete
[05:14] <AlexC> vidd, uploads interest me
[05:14] <vidd> bulio|, you done downloading the old one? or did you abort?
[05:15] <vidd> AlexC, check out my downloads site then..... www.vidd.us/downloads
[05:18] <AlexC> hmm US, you say
[05:18] <AlexC> i am australian
[05:19] <cellofellow> vidd is Pennsylvanian.
[05:19] <vidd> that is ok...you have my permission to view my site
[05:19] <vidd> =] 
[05:19] <vidd> cellofellow, .... SHHHH dont tell EVERYONE!!!!!
[05:19] <vidd> =] 
[05:19] <cellofellow> sorry >:)
[05:20] <BFTD> I'm from California
[05:20] <AlexC> what is mini.iso?
[05:20] <vidd> BFTD, sorry to hear that
[05:20] <AlexC> lol
[05:20] <vidd> AlexC, it is the alt-alt cd....
[05:21] <vidd> lets you install any of the (*)buntu's from the internewt
[05:21] <BFTD> haha
[05:21] <cellofellow> sweet
[05:21] <BFTD> I think its a cool state but we should move this topic to #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:23] <magic_ninja> i wonder why i got banned from winehq, i havn't said anything in there for over 2 weeks
[05:24] <BFTD> magic_ninja it happens
[05:24] <AlexC> maybe it's your name
[05:24] <magic_ninja> magic_ninja?
[05:24] <AlexC> they night think your a 1337 n1nj4
[05:24] <AlexC> and be scared of your 1337 skillz
[05:25] <cellofellow> hello Napoleon Dynamite.
[05:25] <magic_ninja> does anyone know who runs the channel
[05:25] <j1mc> magic_ninja: why do you want to know who runs the channel?
[05:27] <AlexC> chanserv obviously
[05:27] <AlexC> lol
[05:27] <vidd> j1mc, probably to request to be un banned
[05:27] <test3r> hey if you goto boot up the livecd and it just dumps you at "BusyBox built in shell (ash). bin/sh  can't access TTY: job control turned off" , what are you supposed to do at that point?
[05:27] <j1mc> vidd: oh, i thought he meant this channel.
[05:27] <test3r> would it b best to try a 3.5" tux version with taht box?
[05:28] <test3r> or will Any tux work on it ?  if xubuntu couldt even make a VC, tux might be a bad option
[05:28] <vidd> j1mc, just a hunch....based on what he was saying
[05:28] <j1mc> vidd: i think you're right
[05:28] <j1mc> test3r: i'm not sure i understand your problem.
[05:29] <j1mc> is "tux" a linux distribution?
[05:29] <test3r> well see i try to boot the live CD of Xubuntu 704 right?
[05:29] <j1mc> ok
[05:29] <vidd> test3r, did you run a check on the cd to make sure it is not corrupt?
[05:29] <test3r> and it just dumps you at "BusyBox built in shell (ash). bin/sh  can't access TTY: job control turned off" , what are you supposed to do at that point?
[05:29] <test3r> thats pretty much my problem.
[05:29] <test3r> its kinda large.
[05:29] <test3r> ?
[05:29] <test3r> =x
[05:30] <j1mc> can you describe the computer's specs?
[05:30] <test3r> are you a kernel hacker?
[05:30] <test3r> it is a POS very old box.
[05:30] <test3r> i cant rly
[05:30] <test3r> as i cant lspci
[05:30] <test3r> ...
[05:30] <vidd> how much ram?
[05:30] <test3r> 240.
[05:30] <test3r> PC100
[05:30] <test3r> (i just put it in.)
[05:31] <vidd> is that enough to run live?
[05:31] <j1mc> 240mb?
[05:31] <test3r> wel it runs on 128
[05:31] <magic_ninja> j1mc: i would like to know who runs the channel so i can go about getting myself unbanned because i don't believe there is a reason for it
[05:31] <test3r> ive installed with 128
[05:31] <magic_ninja> its a pain
[05:31] <Jester45> a live cd of xubuntu need 128 to run and 192 to install
[05:31] <magic_ninja> 128 isn't much ram
[05:31] <test3r> but then again ive installed slack from floppy
[05:31] <Jester45> at least that what they say
[05:31] <test3r> so im not sure it matters
[05:31] <magic_ninja> Jester45: not if u strip down the install
[05:31] <j1mc> Jester45: those are old specs.  it needs more than 192 to run the live cd.
[05:32] <vidd> test3r, try turning off acpi
[05:32] <test3r> i have ~248 MB of PC100 RAM in it
[05:32] <test3r> acpi said it needed force
[05:32] <j1mc> test3r: i recommend trying out the alternate install cd if you want to install xubuntu on that machine
[05:32] <test3r> would it make a dif if i cut it out altogether from bootline of the livecd?
[05:32] <vidd> i would try it...
[05:33] <test3r> you think it will be able to bring up a terminal, then?
[05:33] <vidd> and if that dont work, use the alt or the mini cd
[05:33] <test3r> kus it coulnt launch TTY to set itself up.
[05:33] <test3r> OK i will look up the argument to boot without acpi
[05:33] <Jester45> j1mc, well... i tried feisty on a 120mb live cd so... is the "new" rating pertaining to gusty
[05:34] <vidd> if the alt cd cant boot...you might have to try an "alternative install method"
[05:34] <test3r> well the box might not even b able to run X all that gr8 neway
[05:34] <test3r> and all im gana do is throw snort on it neway
[05:34] <test3r> .
[05:35] <test3r> shouldi jus minimalslack it?
[05:35] <j1mc> Jester45: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-April/003509.html
[05:35] <vidd> if you are comfy with slack...then by all means
[05:35] <j1mc> apparently there are some exceptions?  :)
[05:35] <test3r> is the rate of boot any higher on old-old-end machines?
[05:35] <test3r> vidd?
[05:36] <test3r> using slak install from floppy?  i got it to work on a 16MB ram compaq
[05:36] <test3r> but that doesnt mean its totaly gana boot
[05:36] <test3r> ..
[05:36] <test3r> and its got 98 on it that i could tweek
[05:37] <vidd> if anything, i would imagine older machines might take longer to boot because cd roms, and other hardware are not designed to run as fast as newer stuff
[05:37] <Jester45> linux is more tweakable than 98
[05:37] <cellofellow> Universal Boot CD may help.
[05:38] <test3r> tru.  youd think it would b reasonalbe fast too it has PC100 in it- must have a descent AMD it looked like an AMD board when i was upgrading the ram
[05:38] <j1mc> test3r: what processor type/speed does this computer have?
[05:39] <test3r> im not even sure lets see if i can boot up win98 still - i had to switch my internal PCI cables to get the CD rom to be bootable-from
[05:39] <test3r> l8ers
[05:40] <test3r> the machine is so old- that on systems BIOS chck stuffs - it counts the ram 3 times
[05:40] <test3r> BOOT FAILURE
[05:40] <test3r> insert sys disk and press enter
[05:40] <test3r> nope
[05:40] <test3r> this box is  jakt
[05:41] <test3r> only one oter hope for it now.
[05:43] <AlexC> flash bios
[05:43] <AlexC> put linuxbios on it or something
[05:44] <AlexC> or update existing bios
[05:44] <test3r> yeah no joke there, man. now it says same thing it is only thing on pci cord
[05:45] <test3r> i now have a good suspiciion
[05:45] <test3r> thisboard can only boot from PCI1
[05:45] <test3r> it wont boot from 2 it seems.
[05:46] <test3r> Yes
[05:46] <test3r> thisis the case
[05:46] <test3r> it is very, very , very, very , LOL
[05:46] <test3r> VERY old
[05:46] <test3r> =(
[05:47] <test3r> im not even sure slack can handl this one.  ima try get HDD on IDE1.master and the CD on IDE1.slave
[05:48] <AlexC> get a historic distro, they are always fun
[05:49] <test3r> yeah now im thinkin, slak11 migt even b too much 4 it.  can u recommend one, Alex?
[05:54] <Jester45> test3r, how about a cli-only?
[05:56] <test3r> yeah cli is fine- thats what slack is when you start from floppy
[05:56] <test3r> i cant get these both on a PCI tho
[05:56] <test3r> slave is the inside connect yes?
[05:56] <test3r> master is the farthest
[05:56] <test3r> from the mobo connect
[05:57] <test3r> ?
[05:58] <test3r> the physical connect head if you are doing cableselect
[05:59] <test3r> i think i see the prob now the HDD is jumpered longways i ned to maek it master
[05:59] <test3r> right dow the middle mas w/slave
[06:03] <test3r> btw its Pentium2 , 350Mhrz
[06:03] <test3r> it just now started up as HDD master CD slave
[06:03] <test3r> for the first time in its existance.
[06:06] <AlexC> i have one of those
[06:06] <AlexC> but i took out the ram
[06:06] <AlexC> and graphics
[06:06] <AlexC> so it doesn't run that well
[06:10] <test3r> ok i got 256(248)MB RAM,  and the chipset is an intel i440BX it claims
[06:10] <test3r> running memtest. i just got "could not find kernel: H" from the UBUNTU disk
[06:11] <AlexC> mine is an IBM personal computer 300gl
[06:11] <test3r> sometimes i have luck with one not the other so i try ubuntu too
[06:11] <AlexC> mine doesn't run live cds from 6.10 onwards
[06:11] <test3r> but i know that disk is fine.  this computer is quite picky, indeed.
[06:11] <test3r> oh yeah?  hmmmmm maybe i should try 606 then?
[06:12] <AlexC> it worked for me
[06:12] <AlexC> that computer isn't running anymore though
[06:12] <AlexC> i got an AMD 1.3GHZ
[06:12] <AlexC> now
[06:12] <test3r> aw crud- it bit the big circuit in the sky?
[06:13] <AlexC> huh?
[06:13] <test3r> i just had an NEC monitor, a MultiSync , that I had for years, burn out on me
[06:13] <test3r> used it for 10 yrs or more i bet.
[06:13] <AlexC> lol
[06:13] <AlexC> i had an IBM monitor, it caught alight
[06:14] <test3r> like , on Fire?
[06:15] <test3r> chit! thats one of my biggest fears because Im always working with these old computers in, here, in my basement
[06:15] <test3r> i always make sure i got a drink close by
[06:15] <test3r> andnot spirits lol
[06:17] <Jester45> :)
[06:18] <test3r> "here fire,have some 80 proof liquer"
[06:20] <Jester45> well it *might* save some of the computer if you could get some water quickly after
[06:20] <jrsims> I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and restarted. but everything looks the same?
[06:20] <jrsims> I had edgy
[06:21] <Jester45> and thats if the water doesnt break it also because the liquor wouldnt instaly burn... so it might give you a second but then its a bigger fire after that
[06:21] <test3r> hahahaha, yeah id say liquor would be the bad choice to put out a computer fire with
[06:22] <test3r> my objective with throwing my drink at it is just to keep anything Else from burning
[06:22] <test3r> like, the house
[06:22] <test3r> u can buy a new puter a LOT cheaper
[06:23] <jrsims> hey, any xubuntu users here?
[06:23] <Jester45> idk some computer are pricey and some house are cheap :)
[06:23] <jrsims> I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and restarted. but everything looks the same?
[06:23] <test3r> there miht be some of them lurking about, jrsims
[06:23] <test3r> ;)
[06:23] <Jester45> jrsims, did you edit your sources.list and apt-get update
[06:23] <Pumpernickel> Imagine that... Xubuntu users in #xubuntu.
[06:23] <jrsims> ah... no
[06:23] <test3r> =O  !!!!! Wait ? Where am I ?
[06:24] <test3r> =D
[06:24] <jrsims> so the steps to upgrade from edgy to feisty are???
[06:24] <test3r> i usedthe cd
[06:24] <Jester45> edit /etc/sources/.list and change your current version to feisty or edgy then apt-get update
[06:24] <Jester45> then you can dist-upgrade
[06:25] <jrsims> weird. So what was apt doing when I ran dist-upgrade without changing sources?
[06:25] <Jester45> yea change all the edgy words in the sources.list to feisty then update and youll be ready
[06:25] <Jester45> trying to get the lasted edgy stuff
[06:25] <jrsims> so really, dist-upgrade doesn't really come in to play anywhere?
[06:26] <Jester45> dist-upgrade is just a smarter way of upgrade
[06:26] <jrsims> how is it different?
[06:26] <jrsims> and should I always use that then?
[06:26] <Jester45> it does if you changinf versions or kernel
[06:26] <Pumpernickel> You can also use the update-manager.  It's actually recommended over apt-get now - seems it has better conflict and dependency tracking.
[06:27] <jrsims> ok, well i will use update-manager
[06:27] <test3r> if updatemanager doesnt work too
[06:27] <Jester45> jrsims, the only time you need to use it is when apt- says some some upgrades are held back
[06:27] <test3r> you can always boot recovery
[06:27] <test3r> and try cli options
[06:27] <Pumpernickel> It also shouldn't crash, which was an issue around Dapper->Edgy.
[06:27] <test3r> such as apt-get
[06:27] <jrsims> ok
[06:28] <jrsims> looks like I need to quit everything to run this. so thanks for the help, and see ya later!
[06:28] <test3r> update-manager? heck the screensaver goes with the updates going in here
[06:29] <test3r> id b tempted to actually run something else.
[06:29] <Jester45> :)
[06:29] <test3r> ;p
[06:29] <Jester45> i do untill it starts installing
[06:29] <Jester45> but when its downloading i do things
[06:30] <Jester45> but course now with my l33t skills i have seprate partitions and just upgrade with cd + dcript
[06:30] <test3r> yeah you shouldnt have the pak up its actualy updating by install at the sam time. just downloading pax obviously isnt changing anything
[06:30] <Jester45> script*
[06:31] <test3r> why dont u jus get ur pax out of ur /var/apt/cache ?
[06:32] <Jester45> ??? using a script is better because you get the newest stuff
[06:33] <test3r> OK im confused- are you making a test install on the other partition? what IS the point of the other partition? and how is that dif than the live cd? and why is new better than stable?
[06:33] <Jester45> its simple first, edit sources.list to include all wanted repos second apt-get update
[06:34] <Jester45> third, remove unwanted things. forth install wanted things. and last update
[06:34] <Jester45> new is better because you get new stuff. at lease for me
[06:35] <Jester45> and... i use the alt cd because its simpler and faster
[06:35] <test3r> it could b Faster.
[06:35] <test3r> if i had a number sequence i could put at boot prompt
[06:35] <Jester45> and the point is that i can keep many configs and /home stuff but yet can have a fresh install
[06:36] <Jester45> no im saying that i dont upgrade to new versions
[06:36] <Jester45> i use a cd to install
[06:36] <test3r> oicu have your /home and other app specific dirs on the other partition
[06:36] <test3r> and the first is the os
[06:37] <test3r> yeah i was thinking about doing that, then i went with the complete other dist option on this notebook.
[06:37] <Jester45> but i use a 2nd partition to store stuff that i dont want to format so that after the upgrade its like i have a fresh system but with my configs still there
[06:37] <test3r> so it has XP, xubuntu, and nubuntu on it's HDD.
[06:37] <Jester45> nubuntu ?
[06:38] <test3r> yes - it's for security auditing of networks.
[06:38] <Jester45> net ubuntu ?
[06:38] <test3r> ithink its short for network buntu yes
[06:38] <test3r> uses flux
[06:39] <test3r> i had to hak grub manually and pass it a UUID for it to start up
[06:39] <test3r> After managing to get it onto the hdd
[06:39] <test3r> because the installer is, well, non-existant.
[06:42] <Jester45> this is a stupid question probley but gusty has a live cd right? i just figured i would after before searching for it
[06:42] <test3r> but thats the way it should be honestly. if you cant get that up and going, you shouldnt be using the tools On it probably
[06:43] <test3r> dunno
[06:49] <test3r> do you mean Gutsy?
[06:49] <test3r> gutsy gibbon>?
[06:50] <test3r> i tested with 610 and my gForce 2 was broke with that one i still dont know why they must have figured it out though
[06:50] <Jester45> yea
[06:50] <test3r> we chkt and chkt in here
[06:51] <test3r> =)
[06:52] <test3r> hark!@ MEMTEST86 is almost complete
[06:52] <test3r> ill test 606 like someone was saying
[06:53] <test3r> i was thinking about hark then i thought UHARC then i thought of HVAC. - u know - forthelongest time, because of doom, i thought HVAC were computers
[06:54] <test3r> no idea why. kus it always says UHARC on the cases dont it?
[06:54] <test3r> where the Heck did i get that from? honestly.
[06:54] <Jester45> !info quota
[06:54] <ubotu> quota: implementation of the disk quota system. In component main, is optional. Version 3.14-6 (feisty), package size 414 kB, installed size 1264 kB
[06:55] <test3r> one bite?  ;p
[06:56] <test3r> i took yours ahd his bites today, man whooooaaaa
[06:56] <test3r> two trashed hotdogs, two helpings beans
[06:56] <test3r> and these cheesey hash brown potatoes homemade
[06:56] <test3r> oooooooooo
[06:56] <test3r> =x
[06:57] <test3r> my family can throw a party.
[06:59] <test3r> it was my lil cousins 16th.
[06:59] <test3r> surprise party actualy Worked, heh
[07:01] <test3r> ok i got 606 ubuntu desk to try first, then i got a 606 alt Xu, too
[07:02] <test3r> woot loading kernel
[07:03] <test3r> thats a nice Step Up from not finding it at all.
[07:04] <test3r> i wonder what the big difference is between 606 and 704 that would cause it not to work
[07:08] <Jester45> umm
[07:08] <Jester45> xfce whent to a newer major version version
[07:09] <test3r> yeah, that is true. but the cd couldnt even load the kernel
[07:09] <test3r> it didnt even get to a vid driver
[07:09] <Jester45> new kernels also
[07:10] <test3r> oo?    =/   huh!  well crud, so now the old machines have to use the older versions, huh?
[07:10] <Jester45> edgy was 6.17 and now its 6.20
[07:11] <test3r> oh man
[07:11] <test3r> u should see the res
[07:11] <test3r> LOL the icon i the size of y fist
[07:11] <test3r> um it might be a bad idea putting this on here.
[07:11] <test3r> it looks like crap inside X   =(
[07:12] <test3r> maybe its not using the intel driver tho. but i didnt see an i400 driver
[07:14] <test3r> well acording to the xorg.conf that is in /filesystem of the livecd, it is using the i740 driver
[07:15] <test3r> theother chipset must b what was on the mobo itself
[07:19] <test3r> 640x480@60hrz   =(((  i cant even see the "next" btn on the installer
[07:19] <test3r> bollox
[07:22] <Jester45> why dont you use the alternative installer? its much faster
[07:25] <test3r> yeah now im trying that actually 606 xubuntu
[07:25] <test3r> can i resize fat32 with that?
[07:26] <test3r> with the manual partition option?
[07:26] <Jester45> should
[07:26] <test3r> or did it even exist on 606?
[07:26] <Jester45> it did
[07:26] <test3r> k
[07:26] <Jester45> i love aXXo
[07:28] <Chikubu> hello pplz
[07:28] <Jester45> hi
[07:29] <Chikubu> im getting fatal error near end of install, unable to install GRUB in (hd0) - - executing 'grub-install (hdo)' failed.
[07:29] <Chikubu> system wont boot after this, tried reinstall from live cd, same error
[07:30] <test3r> do you have anoter linux installed already?
[07:30] <Chikubu> no
[07:30] <Jester45> o yea... can anyone here tell me how to test bandwidth from the cli.... i tried wget but im not sure where i should download to get full speed
[07:30] <Chikubu> but win98 is
[07:31] <test3r> it Should b find with win98 no problems at all
[07:31] <Chikubu> how can i launch grub manualy, were does it park
[07:32] <Jester45> well... it seems like you didnt install it
[07:32] <Chikubu> is it on cd
[07:32] <Jester45> because it failed to execute the install
[07:33] <test3r> the directory   /var/cache/apt   is where it might be right after it has just tried to install
[07:33] <test3r> if you can get to root
[07:33] <test3r> and cp that pak into ur hdd
[07:33] <test3r> then root into your install
[07:33] <test3r> u can get it on ^ ^
[07:34] <test3r> put it in the same spot
[07:34] <test3r> then when you run for it to install that pack, it will get it off there
[07:34] <Chikubu> its not in /apt
[07:34] <test3r> oh wait the connect isnt the prob- my bad, b
[07:34] <test3r> not right now
[07:34] <test3r> immediately after it has been installed / tried to install
[07:35] <test3r> not so sure about the Tried part, there
[07:35] <Chikubu> which was just then
[07:35] <test3r> but its a good chance
[07:36] <test3r> why dont you just get the pack while running thelive cd
[07:36] <test3r> is there a way to set it up from there, or get it....,,, hmmmm
[07:36] <Pumpernickel> You can run grub-install from the cd.  If it doesn't install, it should at least give a useful error.
[07:37] <test3r> , heh, see i knew it was something i wasnt thinking about correctly
[07:38] <test3r> and pumpernickel, it will effect the HDD then, and not just the ram, at that point?
[07:38] <Chikubu> ok let me try off the cd
[07:38] <test3r> do you have to pass it anything before?
[07:39] <Chikubu> help system needs some work dead links everywhere
[07:40] <Pumpernickel> Before, no, just run it.  It will affect the HDD, once you confirm what you want done.
[07:41] <Chikubu> can u use Thunar to mount a cd
[07:48] <Chikubu> does live cd mount cd as /mnt/cdrom ?
[07:48] <test3r> yeah- go in and do "ls"
[07:49] <test3r> er not itself
[07:49] <test3r> thats once its going
[07:50] <test3r> im not even sure if this install is worth saving thats on this computer im working on
[07:51] <Chikubu> doh its just cdrom, i was making it complicated
[07:51] <test3r> ~4g win98 install...   it has some Gator thing on the TASKbar
[07:51] <test3r> blelch.  and like 83MB of junk on root
[07:51] <test3r> recovered docs
[07:51] <test3r> i prob shouldnt even have the thing connected to my net  =9
[08:05] <test3r> avg 7.5 just upgraded the version 6 that was on this win98 box in ~2min and a reboot.
[08:36] <zoidberg> hey guys
[08:36] <zoidberg> how can you make a perl script run at login?
[08:37] <logmein> how things going, anyone need anything?
[08:37] <zoidberg> logmein, i need something
[08:37] <zoidberg> how do i run a script on login
[08:37] <zoidberg> ?
[08:38] <logmein> under menu >> settings >> auto started applications
[08:38] <logmein> zoidberg: trying to get beryl up or such?
[08:39] <zoidberg> no this lil perl script that starts the YAB adesklet on startup
[09:01] <unikon> hey have any of you ever had a problem with trying to log in to Xubuntu where you put in the user id and password yet it takes you back to the login screen
[09:31] <Kjellviz> on a 20gb hdd install, 2gb for swap and the rest ext3, does that sound bout ok ?
[09:32] <Catoptromancy> why would you need 2gb for swap
[09:32] <Kjellviz> dunno, its what pclinuxos set up as swap on a previous install
[09:32] <Kjellviz> 2,8gb to be exact
[09:33] <Catoptromancy> hmm
[09:33] <Catoptromancy> well i guess it couldnt hurt
[09:33] <Catoptromancy> probably better
[09:37] <logmein> how much ram you got?
[09:38] <logmein> not so much swap that's a bit too much
[09:38] <logmein> shouldn't ever need more than about one gig of swap
[09:39] <Kjellviz> i think it has 256mb
[09:39] <logmein> and that's only so you can do advanced suspension and hibernation features
[09:39] <Kjellviz> might even be 128
[09:39] <logmein> for regular desktop use x2 the ram it has but stop at 1gig
[09:39] <Kjellviz> ok
[09:39] <logmein> so 256 use 512 swap
[09:39] <Kjellviz> i made 2gb now :P
[09:39] <logmein> and it won't be exact because it sizes it so you get max performance out of hard drive space for the file system type
[09:39] <Kjellviz> but i guess it doesent hurt
[09:40] <Kjellviz> its not like i need the space for something else
[09:41] <logmein> I'm using so far 11G and that's with a shitload of installer files, movies, pictures etc
[09:41] <logmein> I also tend to use dev files for compiling a lot
[09:41] <Kjellviz> this comp will be used for surfing only
[09:41] <logmein> Kjellviz: you can do a lot of stuff with 256mb
[09:42] <Kjellviz> ye, but it will be used for surfing only ^^
[09:42] <logmein> heh
[09:42] <Kjellviz> its a old laptop that the family uses around the house for surfing
[09:42] <Kjellviz> nothing else
[09:43] <Kjellviz> im most curious bout how my wlan will be working
[09:43] <Pumpernickel> unikon: What video card does that system have?
[09:43] <logmein> kjellviz: this guide might be helpful for you http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308
[09:43] <logmein> kjellviz: lot of firefox things and hardrive adjustment tweaks
[09:44] <unikon> pumpenickel the vid card hasnt been an issue
[09:44] <logmein> Kjellviz: what does lspci say about your wireless interface?
[09:44] <unikon>  its an internal vid
[09:45] <Pumpernickel> unikon: What maker?
[09:45] <Kjellviz> logmein: dunno im still struggling with install (but i got it working in pclinuxos using ndiswrapper)
[09:45] <Pumpernickel> (I'm just thinking of bug 68291.)
[09:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68291 in xserver-xorg-video-tdfx "GDM Restarts after Desktop loads while using tdfx driver" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68291
[09:45] <Kjellviz> the partitioner has problems with my hdd for some reason
[09:46] <logmein> Kjellviz: well grab ndiswrapper from http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/ and compile it, the one in repository is ancient
[09:47] <logmein> they also have a list of cards and what driver to use so grab the windows one and install it with wine which again might want to go to winehq to get: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/feisty/wine_0.9.38~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_i386.deb
[09:47] <Kjellviz> aha thanks!
[09:48] <Kjellviz> does the newer version have graphical interface ?
[09:48] <Kjellviz> cos it did in pclinuxos
[09:48] <logmein> you don't need a graphical interface if it takes only 3 commands to get going lmao
[09:48] <Kjellviz> ye i know
[09:48] <Kjellviz> but ive had SO much troubles getting it to work before
[09:48] <Kjellviz> since im linux illiterate
[09:49] <Kjellviz> :P
[09:49] <logmein> just remember -i -m modprobe restart
[09:49] <logmein> then fiddle with the wireless switch
[09:49] <Kjellviz> this graphical thingy in pclos was a breeze, it asked for my win driver, installed it and boom i was online
[09:51] <Kjellviz> daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, the installer partitioner in fiesty sux
[09:51] <Kjellviz> argh
[09:51] <Pumpernickel> What's the problem?
[09:52] <Kjellviz> it keeps giving me errors that it cant mount a partition
[09:52] <Kjellviz> and if there has been a previous installation of linux on the hdd
[09:52] <Kjellviz> using the "use the whole hdd" will give me a grub error when booted after install
[09:53] <Pumpernickel> Grub can be reinstalled and reconfigured during the Feisty install - that shouldn't be an issue.
[09:54] <Pumpernickel> As for mounting the partitions, you're probably facing bug 107259.
[09:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[09:54] <Kjellviz> its the grub that is installed during feisty install that gives the error
[09:55] <Pumpernickel> What's the error message?
[09:56] <Kjellviz> ive had error 15 and error 24
[09:58] <Kjellviz> now the partitioner gave me error "failed creating ext3 filesystem on partition 1 on SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)
[09:58] <Kjellviz> freely translated from swedish though
[09:58] <Kjellviz> and its not a scsi disk, its a laptop
[09:59] <Pumpernickel> Grub error 24 isn't good.
[09:59] <Pumpernickel> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors
[09:59] <Kjellviz> yep know
[09:59] <Kjellviz> a reinstalled fixed it though =\
[10:00] <logmein> ah yeah I had same problem since I improperly installed over windows ntfs partition
[10:00] <logmein> think it thought I was trying to dual boot or something
[10:00] <Kjellviz> ye
[10:01] <Kjellviz> only this was when pclinuxos was installed previously
[10:01] <Kjellviz> not windwos
[10:01] <Kjellviz> but same thing
[10:07] <logmein> just do it manually, specify which is / directory, tell it format all them, and set it to 512 swap :)
[10:08] <Kjellviz> ye that failed as well
[10:09] <Kjellviz> it could not create ext3 on the partition i chose
[10:09] <Kjellviz> for some fubar reason
[10:12] <Kjellviz> btw, i cant set it to format swap partition, but thats normal innit ?
[10:14] <cybane> Anyone ever used an SD card with the TI7xx1 cardreader with xubuntu?
[10:17] <Kjellviz> finally, the installer is getting on :)
[10:18] <logmein> cybane: most SD card readers are hard to get working on linux but I have one in my lappy never got working, do you know where I could check to see if its possible to use it for something?
[10:19] <Catoptromancy> all my card readers work
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> I dont know what kind it is
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> 8 in 1
[10:20] <highvoltage> mine works on laptop though
[10:25] <logmein> I bought one of those dv9000t from hp
[10:25] <logmein> so far its been fine, just that damn sd card reader
[10:26] <logmein> I was hoping to get it working since my mother has this old digital camera that gtkcam can't get working because of its proprietary usb interface
[10:27] <Kjellviz> vmware maybe ?
[10:30] <Kjellviz> for the cam i mean
[10:32] <Kjellviz> anyone got any idea why firefox refuses to "remember my password (read: accept the cookie) from hotmail when i choose "keep my name and password" as a login option ?
[10:32] <Kjellviz> ive got accept all cookies on
[10:33] <cybane> logmein: I check teh intarwebs
[10:37] <logmein> Kjellviz: hmm do you have a master password perhaps?
[10:38] <Kjellviz> logmein: its not the firefox option im trying to use
[10:38] <logmein> Kjellviz: oh don't let cookies handle your logins let firefox do it
[10:38] <Kjellviz> logmein: when logging in, i can choose to stay logged in
[10:38] <Kjellviz> but i wish to let cookies do it
[10:38] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:39] <logmein> Kjellviz: what for? you just gonna get hacked by weird flash java exploits
[10:39] <Kjellviz> i want to be autologged in when i open the link
[10:39] <Kjellviz> sure, im not to worried about that
[10:39] <Kjellviz> if they wanna hack they are welcome to steal my spam ><
[10:40] <logmein> Kjellviz: hmm well if firefox can remember the login information there might be a way to get it to send extra option of enter button
[10:40] <logmein> Kjellviz: nah that's how you get spam :P
[10:40] <Kjellviz> firefox does remember it (after using a little hack)
[10:45] <Kjellviz> logmein: allrite, got xubuntu installed on the laptop now
[10:46] <Kjellviz> now begins the fun part
[10:46] <Kjellviz> getting wireless up n running =(
[10:46] <logmein> what card is it though
[10:46] <Kjellviz> linksys
[10:46] <logmein> ah crap
[10:46] <Kjellviz> but as sais
[10:46] <Kjellviz> said*
[10:47] <logmein> I had bad run in with linksys wireless card when I was first getting into linux
[10:47] <Kjellviz> i got it working using ndiswrapper and win driver in pclos
[10:47] <logmein> ok but what does lspci report about it?
[10:48] <Kjellviz> broadcom bcm4318
[10:48] <logmein> can you give me the exact line output?
[10:48] <Kjellviz> ok sec
[10:50] <kjellvi1> 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[10:50] <logmein> ooh interesting
[10:50] <Kjellviz> thats it
[10:50] <Kjellviz> really ?
[10:50] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:51] <logmein> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_b/ read the second listing 2.
[10:51] <Kjellviz> ye
[10:51] <logmein> I'd still suggest grabbing latest ndiswrapper even though that tester didn't, lot of fixes on performance
[10:52] <Kjellviz> well i was just about to
[10:52] <Kjellviz> but compiling aint exactly my cup of tea ><
[10:53] <Kjellviz> was hoping there was a .deb for it hehe
[10:53] <logmein> oh trust me compiling it is the easy way lol
[10:53] <Kjellviz> it will be when i understand the concept of it
[10:53] <logmein> I must have screwed up in every way imaginable then I got wireless going on my brothers laptop in under a minute
[10:53] <Kjellviz> bout now im just copy/pasting commands
[10:54] <logmein> just ./configure make sudo su make install
[10:54] <Kjellviz> sudo su ?
[10:54] <logmein> read the install or readme text file though just to make sure
[10:54] <logmein> yeah gives you root prompt
[10:54] <Kjellviz> ok
[10:55] <logmein> instead of typing sudo for dozen of commands
[10:55] <logmein> most beginners don't know what requires root privs so report errors about it that is why most refer to a command as sudo inclined
[10:56] <Kjellviz> that last sentence was greek to me ><
[10:56] <Kjellviz> ohhh off to a good start
[10:56] <Kjellviz> errormessage during unpacking the tar.bz
[10:57] <Kjellviz> just my kind of luck
[10:57] <logmein> Kjellviz: right click it and choose extract here
[10:57] <logmein> there are millions of text commands to uncompress something so I never bother
[10:58] <logmein> oh and for starts you might want zip, cabextract, rar, 7z compression formulas added
[10:58] <logmein> so you don't have to figure out why something won't extract later on
[10:58] <Kjellviz> ok ?
[10:59] <Kjellviz> is it needed for this install ?
[11:00] <logmein> most likely not
[11:00] <logmein> yeah those files aren't zipped
[11:00] <Kjellviz> ok then its not needed =P
[11:00] <logmein> suit yourself
[11:01] <Kjellviz> when i get online
[11:01] <Kjellviz> im done
[11:01] <Kjellviz> thats all i need on this comp
[11:01] <logmein> okie dokie then
[11:02] <logmein> Kjellviz: this looks pretty kool for web browsing https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4521
[11:03] <Kjellviz> blah pastebin is fubar, got a alternative ?
[11:04] <logmein> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:04] <logmein> ubuntu's private finest pastebin at your disposal :P
[11:04] <kjellvi1> =D
[11:05] <kjellvi1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24969/
[11:27] <kjellvi1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24972/
[11:35] <alleweder> i having a weard problem with xubuntu, when i open a terminal screen i get logout.
[11:36] <alleweder> command line is a basic ellement i would like to use.
[11:42] <grazie> alleweder: Is that launching from the menu? Have you tried launching Terminal from alt+f2? Can you get a virtual console, ctrl+alt+f1?
[11:44] <alleweder> mmmm i just found out that if i lok at the add software, there is not the therminal installed.
[11:44] <alleweder> looks like defautl there is not a terminal in the menu.
[11:46] <alleweder> mmm i got kicked off again grazie.
[11:46] <alleweder> so alt f2 is not realy working. :-)
[11:47] <grazie> :(
[11:47] <alleweder> i am now working on the add/remove applications.
[11:47] <grazie> ctrl+alt+f1?
[11:47] <alleweder> and there i can add the terminal. ( very weard that it is not installed default).
[11:49] <TheSheep> alleweder: there was a bug in xubuntu terminal that make it kill X on some intel cards
[11:50] <alleweder> ok thanks TheSheep. in my system there is indeed a intel video card.
[11:50] <alleweder> i am using a old Dell GX150 system to make a small home server.
[11:51] <alleweder> http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/06/05/build_your_own_server/1
[11:51] <logmein> TheSheep: can you show me more of that bug? my friend was going to try out xubuntu and he uses an intel card
[11:51] <alleweder> THis was the artical that did give some inspiration to me.
[11:52] <grazie> alleweder: been trying to search launchpad for quite a while, but it looks like it's on a go slow :(
[11:54] <alleweder> sorry grazie i do not get your remark,
[11:54] <alleweder> do you mean that you do have a problem installing ?.
[11:56] <alleweder> ctrl+alt+f1 is working ok
[11:57] <TheSheep> logmein: bug #114124
[11:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114124 in xfce4-terminal "Xubuntu 7.04 xserver crashes when launching terminal" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114124
[11:57] <logmein> TheSheep: alrighty thx
[12:01] <alleweder> thanks, this is indeed the bug i have.
[12:47] <alleweder> ok this sound maybe as a stupid question, but how do i run the gnome2 terminal once i have it installed ?.
[12:48] <TheSheep> alleweder: gnome-terminal
[12:48] <alleweder> brb
[01:00] <logmein> xub xub!
[01:00] <logmein> :)
[01:05] <Kjellviz> i want xubuntu to automatically log on to a default user on boot, where can i find the settings for that ?
[01:06] <TheSheep> Kjellviz: system->login window settings
[01:08] <Kjellviz> TheSheep: cannot find that, but ive installed swedish language (but cant see anything that resembles that in swedish)
[01:18] <Kjellviz> forget, got it sorted
[01:51] <logmein> I applied this theme to xubuntu but now webpages look like crap http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2007061003483qd4.png how do I fix that?
[02:21] <logmein> well bye peoples I gotta go kick some ass on tremulous :)
[02:21] <logmein> but before I go...
[02:21] <logmein> xub xub! (^_^) 'O
[02:26] <Kjellviz> whats the "gedit" command in xubuntu ?
[02:27] <hyper_ch> Kjellviz: ???
[02:27] <hyper_ch> Kjellviz: what is the gedit command?
[02:27] <Kjellviz> command for graphically editing a file
[02:27] <Kjellviz> its gedit in ubuntu
[02:27] <Kjellviz> gnome edit i guess
[02:28] <Kjellviz> forget i remember now, its mousepad
[02:29] <hyper_ch> what do you need that from the command line?
[02:29] <Kjellviz> i needed to edit xorg.conf
[02:29] <Kjellviz> and fastest way is just opening it from terminal yes
[02:31] <hyper_ch> nano xorg.conf
[02:31] <hyper_ch> that's faster then mousepad or gedit
[02:32] <Kjellviz> how come thats faster ?
[02:32] <hyper_ch> takes less time to open nano than gedit or mousepad
[02:33] <Kjellviz> ok
[02:35] <Kjellviz> thanks for the tip
[02:36] <hyper_ch> or if you can handle:   vi
[02:37] <Kjellviz> nah had issues with vi
[02:37] <Kjellviz> :P
[02:38] <hyper_ch> vi is also too complicated for my simple mind
[02:38] <hyper_ch> but it's supposed to be one of the most powerful and efficient editors
[02:39] <Kjellviz> lol
[02:39] <Kjellviz> im trying to download internet explorer
[02:40] <Kjellviz> and it asks me to validate my os version
[02:40] <Kjellviz> roflol
[02:40] <hyper_ch> iiiieeeks
[04:52] <logmein> my xfce theme still bugging out my browser, any ideas as to how to make firefox load different buttons and search bars?
[05:03] <logmein> aubade: hi
[05:30] <Hekos> hi, did a fresh install, the panel wont show up
[05:30] <Hekos> live cd also without panel
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> Hekos, which panel does not show up?
[05:36] <Hekos> no panel
[05:36] <Hekos> xfce4-panel
[05:36] <Hekos> have to run it manualy every boot
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> herm
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> then it would appear that it is just not set to auto-load....
[05:46] <Hekos> downloaded the latest iso today
[05:47] <TheSheep> Hekos: clear the ~/.cache/sessions
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> did you disable the "Save Session for Future Logins" or logout using a method other then the "Quit" app?
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, your too fast for me
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:48] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: I just got home
[05:48] <Hekos> well, seems wierd that it does the same on live cd
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> yeah...one glance, and BANG instant answer [most likely the correct one] !
[05:49] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: for every release, there is like 4 or 5 most common problems with ready solutions
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> Hekos, there was probably some issue with the live cd loading the autoload of the panel...and that was passed on when you installed
[05:50] <Hekos> ok
[05:50] <TheSheep> nice, googleearth in the repos :)
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, in gutsy?
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> cuzz i dont see it in fiesty
[05:52] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: yes
[05:52] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: and user-mode-linux
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> user-mode?
[05:53] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: linux kernel that runs in user mode, like normal application
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> interesting....user-mode-linux-doc is in fiesty repo, but not the app!
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> what kernel is gutsy using?
[05:55] <Hekos> TheSheep, works, ty =)
[05:55] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: so far 2.6.22
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> point 02 better then fiesty
[06:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: because they'd have to test everything from start
[06:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: and that would basically be a new release
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> really?
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> just for a kernel upgrade?
[06:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: kernel+modules+init scripts+udev
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> ah....basically "everything the distro is built on"
[06:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: plus a bunch of things depending on the modules, like graphics drivers for X, scanners, printers, tablets
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> have you noticed that the live cd almost always has more issues then the alt?
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> and is that because more ppl use it, or because there are more things that CAN go wrong?
[06:03] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: that's because it has less testers -- most users just upgrade their existing installations
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> hrm....
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> i dont like the look&feel of the live...plus the overhead is annoying
[06:08] <TheSheep> yeah, a really light livecd would be nice
[06:11] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[06:12] <cheeseboy> hi
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> welcome cheeseboy
[06:13] <cheeseboy> can anyone tell me if my linksys wpc300n wireless card will work in xubuntu before i install?
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> before you install....hard to tell....
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> do you have the live cd?
[06:14] <cheeseboy> no i dont want to waste my only cd
[06:14] <cheeseboy> i know it wont work right away
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> do you know what kind of chipset it uses?
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> does it use the bcm43xx chipset?
[06:14] <cheeseboy> is there any way to check on windows?
[06:15] <vidd_laptop> not that im awareof
[06:15] <vidd_laptop> let me do some checking for you.....
[06:15] <cheeseboy> kk thnx
[06:16] <TheSheep> there is a list of supported hardware on the wiki, I think, and on the forum
[06:16] <cheeseboy> i 99% sure it wont work right away
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy, if worse comes to worse.. you can always us ndiswrapper
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> *use
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> you have a wired network card right?
[06:17] <cheeseboy> wireless
[06:17] <cheeseboy> no ethernet port
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> =/
[06:18] <cheeseboy> so i need the deb to put on my pendrive
[06:18] <vidd_laptop> then it will be difficult....but NOT impossible
[06:18] <vidd_laptop> we can help get you through it once everything is installed
[06:18] <cheeseboy> i have another pc so can u walk me through it?
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> absolutely....
[06:19] <cheeseboy> kk thnx
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> i recomend you use the alt cd rather then the live cd for installing
[06:19] <cheeseboy> where i get that?
[06:20] <vidd_laptop> same page you get the live...just scroll down
[06:21] <cheeseboy> ok
[06:22] <cheeseboy> gonna be about 1/ hr to dl
[06:22] <cheeseboy> 1/2*
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> thats ok...my lunch break is only half an hour
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[06:43] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:43] <GrueTamer> eyy
[06:44] <JuanTelez> hi
[06:52] <[EG] EndeR> hi there
[06:52] <[EG] EndeR> I have a question
[06:53] <[EG] EndeR> I am running xubuntu and I want to get the pictures from my Canon Powershot S2
[06:53] <[EG] EndeR> xubuntu does not seem to automatically detect the camera
[06:53] <[EG] EndeR> any suggestions?
[06:59] <cheeseboy> vidd_laptop, u there?
[06:59] <vidd_laptop> yes.... im on a call right now....
[07:00] <cheeseboy> kk i just finshed dling cd
[07:01] <vidd_laptop> cool
[07:02] <JuanTelez> could somebody please tell what is the program to config a dial up conection that comes whit Xubuntu?
[07:03] <vidd_laptop> JuanTelez, sudo network-admin
[07:05] <cheeseboy> vidd_laptop, can i refresh hardware dection w/o reboot?
[07:06] <cheeseboy> cause i hadda plugh my cd drive in
[07:06] <vidd_laptop> yes...but im not sure how....
[07:07] <cheeseboy> :(
[07:08] <vidd_laptop> my stuff is usually auto-detected and auto-loaded when i plug it in
[07:08] <vidd_laptop> put a disk in the drive...the contents should autoload
[07:08] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: thanks, actualy I don't use Xubuntu
[07:10] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: I'm trying to help a friend, but he is even more newbie than me
[07:11] <vidd_laptop> JuanTelez, is HE using xubuntu?
[07:11] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: vidd_laptop yes
[07:11] <cheatersrealm> what is the command line name for the cd burner that thunar invokes by default?
[07:11] <vidd_laptop> then on his computer, go to the command line, and type sudo network-admin
[07:12] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: I will like to see some screenshots of the program
[07:12] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: thats why I ask the name of the program
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> the name of the app is "network-sdmin"
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> *admin
[07:12] <JuanTelez> thanks again vidd_laptop
[07:17] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, burnin cd now
[07:17] <vidd_laptop> cool
[07:17] <vidd_laptop> when you first run it, immediately check the disk for errors
[07:18] <cheeseboy1> :(
[07:18] <cheeseboy1> theres gonna be a fewerrors
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> not necessarily...just ALWAYS good practice
[07:20] <cheeseboy1> the cds scrached up a lil
[07:20] <cheeseboy1> but always worksfine
[07:36] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, now installing
[07:49] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, craplots of errors
[07:49] <cheeseboy1> :(
[07:49] <vidd_laptop> what kind of errors?
[07:50] <cheeseboy1> all stuf to do w/ debootstrap
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> that should be ok (i think)
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> what happened when you ran the "check cd"?
[07:52] <cheeseboy1> i dint
[07:52] <cheeseboy1> nethered be errors
[07:52] <vidd_laptop> heh....
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> did the disk load to the menu screen?
[07:53] <cheeseboy1> and i have no othercds :(
[07:53] <cheeseboy1> yes
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> and you did NOT choose "check cd"?
[07:53] <cheeseboy1> yep
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> reboot and choose "check cd"
[07:54] <magic_ninja> is there a utility to convert the hex in wine debugging output to readable text
[07:54] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: whats up man long time no see
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, not much...just got my serverbox co-located
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> www.vidd.us
[07:55] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, how long it take?
[07:55] <vidd_laptop> depends on your system
[07:56] <cheeseboy1> its old
[07:56] <cheeseboy1> p3 128mb ram
[07:56] <Merchelo> nice site
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, you ARE running the alt cd....right?
[08:04] <cheeseboy1> yes
[08:05] <vidd_laptop> good...cuzz i dont think the live can run with that little ram
[08:06] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop,  will it be slow wen its installed?
[08:07] <vidd_laptop> no...not really
[08:07] <cheeseboy1> the cd failed check
[08:07] <cheeseboy1> wat can i do
[08:07] <cheeseboy1> ?
[08:09] <vidd_laptop> you will need to get a cd to pass the check
[08:09] <cheeseboy1> i only have 1 cd :(
[08:13] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, if i burn cd slower it be better?
[08:14] <vidd_laptop> yes...the slower the better
[08:14] <cheeseboy1> kk ill burn a 1x
[08:16] <cheeseboy1> :( has to be 4x
[08:17] <magic_ninja> we got ne wineaholics in the house
[08:17] <magic_ninja> i'm seriously stumped
[08:18] <BFTD> ?
[08:20] <magic_ninja> im getting an unhandle exception fault and Im trying to figure out what the Export ntdll or export kernel32 etc mean in the error message
[08:20] <magic_ninja> so I can determine whats causing the page fault
[08:22] <magic_ninja> mabye a program that converts the hex in the output into readable stuff
[08:23] <Chikubu> hey, im working on installing xubuntu on an older box, when i boot live cd, some of the shell isnt loading, notable the part that puts a task bar at top and bottom and part that lets you pick applications, how can i manualy start it?
[08:24] <TheSheep> Chikubu: alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[08:25] <TheSheep> Chikubu: if you have less than 192MB ram, the installation will fail, better use the alternate cd
[08:25] <Chikubu> have 192
[08:26] <magic_ninja> chikubu see if this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=313406
[08:26] <Chikubu> how do i start the gui? i have a desktop with icons but no task bar or application selection
[08:26] <magic_ninja> its for ubuntu but will work fine with xubuntu
[08:27] <TheSheep> Chikubu: alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[08:28] <magic_ninja> I have no idea why i'm banned in #winehq, i havn't talked in that channel for like a month
[08:28] <Chikubu> thats what i needed :) thnx
[08:29] <Chikubu> if its a post script printer, it should work easily in linux correcT?
[08:30] <Chikubu> mabye someone on your same isp was banned and you got included
[08:32] <Chikubu> hwy when i use gparted to delete partions, it seems to delete but puts a pendeing operation at bottom? is it working on deleting? thought it was pretty much instantaneous
[08:34] <TheSheep> Chikubu: no, any operations you perform need to be 'applied'
[08:34] <TheSheep> Chikubu: that's because they cannot be reverted
[08:34] <Chikubu> ok i see
[08:35] <Chikubu> idiot proffing :)
[08:36] <Chikubu> man this has been such a huge fight
[08:36] <Chikubu> a bad memory stick cause me so much greif ugg
[08:38] <Chikubu> well it runs slow from live cd, but runs!  im encouraged, wsant sure box was fast enough
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> because the
[08:40] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, seems to have burned ok this time :)
[08:40] <vidd_laptop> ok....
[08:40] <vidd_laptop> yeah...older machines cant read disks that are bruned at or faster then thy can read
[08:41] <vidd_laptop> if that makes sense....
[08:41] <cheeseboy1> i cleaned it too
[08:41] <cheeseboy1> was a lil dusty
[08:41] <vidd_laptop> like if you have a cdrom that only reads at 32x, and you burn a disk @ 64x, that 32 speed cdrom drive wont be able to read it
[08:42] <BFTD> hrm
[08:42] <BFTD> which is why I burn everything at 4
[08:42] <vidd_laptop> me too BFTD
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> never know when i want to stick my disk in any old piece
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> that sounded perverted
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> brb
[08:46] <Chikubu> well the cd is still blinking, thats a good sign
[08:48] <aroo> I have my wifi card working perfectly with ndiswrapper, but I have to set it all up each time at boot, is there anyway to get it to work on boot?
[08:49] <Chikubu> i dont know enuff about linux to help sorry, but seems you could put it in startup with command line options
[08:50] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, still error but theresl ess
[08:50] <cheeseboy1> less
[08:50] <cheeseboy1> *
[08:52] <vidd_laptop> im back
[08:53] <vidd_laptop> what error ou get?
[08:54] <cheeseboy1> somtin wascorrupt
[08:54] <Chikubu> the install option from live cd, does it compile something, its taking forever, even on this turtle
[08:54] <Chikubu> that turtle anyway
[08:54] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, how old is the box?
[08:56] <Jester45> Chikubu, no compileing
[08:56] <Chikubu> hmm wonder what its doing
[08:56] <Chikubu> the cd is still blinking, but system is so sluggish mouse takes minute to move
[08:56] <Jester45> how much ram does the machine have
[08:56] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, a coupleyears
[08:56] <Chikubu> 192
[08:56] <Chikubu> but its a 486
[08:57] <Jester45> get vidd_laptop im back
[08:57] <cheeseboy1> came out around 2000 i think
[08:57] <Jester45> well thats why with 192 it barely has the ram to run the live cd
[08:57] <Chikubu> ok, i dont mind it taking along time, as long is its not dead
[08:58] <Jester45> cheeseboy1, if anything get the installer to format the disc and then you will have swap space and that will make it faster
[08:58] <Chikubu> ack, lol i delete the swap space to the install would auto allocate what it wanted
[08:58] <Chikubu> from a previous failed attempt
[08:59] <cheeseboy1> hopefully ill get it installed
[09:25] <Chikubu> ...cd still blinking :)
[09:29] <Chikubu> okm,the screen went blank, but cd still blinking...does live cd have screen saver or power saver turned on?
[09:30] <Chikubu> nm its back, mustve been screen saver
[09:35] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, i hope ur still around when install finishes :(
[09:37] <vidd_laptop> im here
[09:40] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, base system installed ok halfway through software
[09:40] <vidd_laptop> cool
[09:49] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop,
[09:50] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, its takin forever at xubuntu docs that normal?
[09:50] <vidd_laptop> yes
[09:50] <cheeseboy1> kk
[09:57] <Chikubu> ugg i clicked the realese notes and its been 15 minutes, cd still blinking
[09:58] <Chikubu> is there a keyboard command to bring up a process list?
[09:58] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, ugh i cant get this installed:(
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> you get an error?
[09:59] <cheeseboy1> yes
[10:00] <cheeseboy1> i need network to install this
[10:00] <vidd_laptop> what error
[10:00] <cheeseboy1> corrupt file
[10:01] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, can i get internet working in a shell or somtin?
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, yes....
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> retry install with command line only
[10:02] <cheeseboy1> kk cause then i get corrupted files from internet right?
[10:02] <vidd_laptop> well....no corrupted...but yeah
[10:03] <cheeseboy1> i wish this pc booted dvds :(
[10:04] <cheeseboy1> i have 100+ of those
[10:47] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, u there?
[10:47] <vidd_laptop> im here
[10:48] <cheeseboy1> im in command line system
[10:49] <vidd_laptop> ok....you want to run lspci
[10:49] <cheeseboy1> kk
[10:50] <vidd_laptop> find the item about your wireless network card....
[10:50] <vidd_laptop> what does it say?
[10:52] <cheeseboy1> for network:
[10:53] <cheeseboy1> broadcom corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)
[10:53] <vidd_laptop> ok...as i expected...it is a broadcom 43xx card
[10:54] <cheeseboy1> kk
[10:54] <vidd_laptop> on my downloads page, get http://www.vidd.us/downloads/bcm43xx-fwcutter_20060501-5_i386.deb
[10:55] <vidd_laptop> you will also need the the firmware....
[10:55] <cheeseboy1> where i get that?
[10:57] <vidd_laptop> ill get that
[10:58] <b52GM> hi
[10:58] <b52GM> one noob question please for enabling X distant connection true ssh i just need to change the XForward value in ssh_config ?
[10:59] <vidd_laptop> http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o
[10:59] <b52GM> of do i need soemthing else ?
[11:03] <aroo_> How do I install custom xfce themes? Do I need to extract them somewhere special?
[11:04] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, whatscommand to mount my pendrive ?
[11:04] <vidd_laptop> from the command lin...i dont know
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, can you help cheeseboy1 mount his pen drive ?
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> he is in CLI only
[11:14] <BFTD> sweet
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, its only temporary....
[11:15] <BFTD> oh
[11:15] <vidd_laptop> until he gets his wifi on line and downloads the desktop
[11:15] <BFTD> cheeseboy1 "ls /media"
[11:15] <BFTD> getting his card to work is no problem
[11:15] <vidd_laptop> then can you help him with that too?
[11:16] <BFTD> sure
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> cuzz i need to go home in like 10 minutes
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> i already pointed him to the fw cutter and the firmware
[11:16] <cheeseboy1> how i manually mount fat32 pendrive ??
[11:16] <BFTD> cheeseboy1 can you get internet to your comp for a few min's so that you can install the drivers for your card?
[11:16] <cheeseboy1> no
[11:17] <cheeseboy1> need pendrive
[11:17] <cheeseboy1> how i mount it?
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, no...he has the files on his pendrive
[11:17] <BFTD> installing fwcutter will automaticly install the drivers
[11:17] <BFTD> oh
[11:17] <BFTD> dang thats like the hard way to do it but ok
[11:17] <BFTD> anyways
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> +}
[11:17] <BFTD> cheeseboy1 run this command
[11:18] <BFTD> ls /media
[11:18] <BFTD> and post what it says
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> 1  2  3  cdrom  cdrom0  samba  sdb1
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> i createdall those tho
[11:18] <BFTD> ?
[11:18] <BFTD> when?
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> i hve to mount things manually on this pc
[11:18] <BFTD> what version?
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> but i forgot how
[11:19] <cheeseboy1> ??
[11:19] <vidd_laptop> fiesty?
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, are you running 7.04?
[11:20] <cheeseboy1> ya but server
[11:20] <BFTD> ok
[11:20] <BFTD> ls /media/sdb1
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, BFTD is goint to help from here....
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> l8rs
[11:21] <cheeseboy1> BFTD nothing
[11:21] <cheeseboy1> i need to mount manually
[11:21] <cheeseboy1> wats thje command?
[11:22] <BFTD> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[11:22] <BFTD> or
[11:22] <BFTD> sudo -a mount
[11:24] <cheeseboy1> BFTD its not sdb1 i for get which device it is
[11:24] <BFTD> oh
[11:25] <BFTD> well
[11:25] <BFTD> try sdc1 sdd1 sde1 and sdf1
[11:25] <BFTD> one of those should work
[11:26] <cheeseboy1> no
[11:27] <BFTD> ?
[11:27] <BFTD> is it plugged in?
[11:29] <cheeseboy1> yes
[11:30] <BFTD> dfc-h
[11:30] <BFTD> oops
[11:30] <BFTD> df h
[11:30] <BFTD> argh
[11:30] <BFTD> df -h
[11:31] <cheeseboy1> ???
[11:32] <TheSheep> BFTD: df only shows info about mounted devices
[11:32] <cheeseboy1> ill put files on pendrive in wwindows
[11:33] <BFTD> yeah
[11:50] <cheeseboy1> BFTD u there?
[11:58] <cheeseboy1> help ???
[12:04] <Jester45> cheeseboy1, what ya need
[12:06] <cheeseboy1> getmy wirelee card to work
[12:07] <Jester45> i dont know how to do wireless... i always found it to slow
[12:07] <vidd> cheeseboy1, where you stuck at?
[12:08] <cheeseboy1> its not working
[12:08] <cliebow> pcmcia?
[12:08] <vidd> is it all installed?
[12:08] <cheeseboy1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear
[12:08] <cheeseboy1> i did that
[12:08] <cliebow> wtch var/log/messages when you plug in..
[12:08] <cliebow> if pcmcia
[12:09] <cheeseboy1> ya pcmia
[12:10] <cheeseboy1> so wat i do ???
[12:10] <vidd> when you "sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware ~/Desktop/wl_apsta.o" did you replace ~/Desktop/ with the path on your usb drive that had the wl_apsta.o file?
[12:11] <cheeseboy1> yes
[12:11] <vidd> did you run modprobe bcm43xx ?
[12:11] <cheeseboy1> yes
[12:11] <vidd> did you reboot?
[12:12] <cheeseboy1> yes
[12:12] <vidd> did you set up /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:12] <cheeseboy1> no
[12:13] <vidd> ah...that is why....
[12:13] <cheeseboy1> because i dont know what device name is
[12:13] <cheeseboy1> wen i do ifconfig -a only lo is listed
[12:13] <vidd> then type iwconfig
[12:14] <Jester45> i think it would be wlan0 right?
[12:14] <cheeseboy1> ony lo afgain
[12:14] <vidd> lo should not show up when you do iwconfig
[12:14] <vidd> only wireless devices should show
[12:15] <cheeseboy1> says lo no wireless extebsions
[12:15] <vidd> hrm....
[12:16] <vidd> it should be listed as eth0
[12:16] <cheeseboy1> but it isnt
[12:16] <cliebow> heck ..a bloody broadcom card
[12:17] <vidd> cheeseboy1, then follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[12:18] <aroo> What's the command to open another terminal from the default terminal?
[12:18] <vidd> use the instructions for setting up with ndiswrapper....
[12:18] <aroo> I'd use xterm but I like the default xubuntu terminal better
[12:18] <TheSheep> aroo: xfce4-terminal&
[12:19] <aroo> Thanks much
[12:19] <Catoptromancy_> could make a wireless floppy
[12:20] <vidd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.43-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:20] <Catoptromancy_> both nids.debs and my drivers fit on floppy
[12:20] <Catoptromancy_> ndis is also on feisty CD
[12:20] <vidd> cheeseboy1, use the cd then....
[12:21] <vidd> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[12:21] <Catoptromancy_> in /pool/ something
[12:23] <cheeseboy1> ugh this is such a pain :(
[12:25] <vidd> yes it is