[12:28] <andrupal> I'm setting up LTSP for the first time and I'm having login problems on the thin client.   The server auth logs suggest the session was begun, but the client screen just goes black, then shows an X, then returns to the login screen.  I've tried updating the SSH keys...does anyone know how to handle this?
[12:29] <cliebow> andrupal..not sure..b ut i think ogra would direct you tyo .xseession-errors..
[12:29] <andrupal> Can you translate that into newbiespeak?
[12:30] <cliebow> err..i think in the homedir of the perdson logging in there maay be a file by that name
[12:30] <cliebow> that any better?
[12:31] <andrupal> It seems the user directory is empty...is this normal?
[12:32] <cliebow> even with ls -al?
[12:32] <andrupal> ah
[12:32] <cliebow> check perms too
[12:33] <andrupal> I see "no session managers, no window managers, etc...aborting"
[12:34] <cliebow> is this a server install?
[12:34] <cliebow> you DO need a gui desktop
[12:35] <andrupal> yes, server install.
[12:35] <andrupal> forcing myself to learn command line...painful
[12:35] <cliebow> woud you like to use edubuntu ubuntu kubuntu desktop..icewm?
[12:35] <cliebow> any preference?
[12:35] <andrupal> No preference
[12:36] <cliebow> this being edubuntu..why not sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop.
[12:36] <andrupal> I'm actually using ubuntu with ltsp installed
[12:37] <andrupal> this won't matter will it?
[12:37] <cliebow> no..i have deubuntu ubuntu and xubuntu on one machine.i use interchangeably
[12:38] <andrupal> so you've pointed me to a GUI for the server...that's helpful!
[12:39] <cliebow> you will havt to check with ofgra to see if there are any server-side permutations to make
[12:39] <cliebow> when starting from a server install
[12:39] <cliebow> for localdevices and sound to work
[12:39] <andrupal> So the reason xsessions weren't working was because I had no GUI installed on the server?
[12:40] <cliebow> i aim to please \0_
[12:40] <andrupal> Who is ofgra?
[12:40] <cliebow> but im not always correct..someone usually corrects me
[12:40] <cliebow> ogra put together aa lot of edubuntu
[12:41] <andrupal> OK
[12:41] <cliebow> with a little help from his friends
[12:41] <cliebow> 8~)
[12:41] <andrupal> Thanks for tolerating my ignorance...I'm two days into this world!
[12:42] <andrupal> So I probably should have started with an edubuntu distro if I want to do LTSP in a snap?
[12:42] <cliebow> welcome..i was there once meself
[12:42] <cliebow> probably..but think what you will learn..
[12:43] <cliebow> you'll have to be sure you have all services
[12:43] <andrupal> Yes...aiming to set up a whole school on ltsp...so I need to know all the inner workings of it eventually...
[12:43] <cliebow> dhcp..tftp...nfs-kernel-server...portmap
[12:43] <cliebow> andrupal, look me up if you like..that is what i do..
[12:44] <cliebow> and some of the things i say are true
[12:44] <andrupal> How do I look you up?
[12:45] <cliebow> here
[12:45] <cliebow> or #ltsp
[12:45] <cliebow> or cliebow at ltsp.org
[12:46] <andrupal> OK...you're in Maine?
[12:46] <cliebow> yeah
[12:46] <andrupal> Beauty of a State.
[12:46] <cliebow> im at scholl mon tiues wed
[12:47] <cliebow> and on a bot thurs fri sat.
[12:47] <andrupal> How is LTSP working out for you?
[12:48] <cliebow> been great..Maine education is a mess..so im not progressing much
[12:48] <andrupal> try New York City
[12:49] <cliebow> yeah ill bet..
[12:49] <andrupal> I'm with a new school startup...trying to get them on board before they go down the Windows road
[12:49] <cliebow> if you are using "challenged client machines 4.2 is nice
[12:49] <cliebow> but ltsp5 is coming on quick
[12:50] <andrupal> Got to run...be back later.  Wish the wife were more tolerant of this hobby of mine...;)
[12:50] <cliebow> heh,,..\
[12:50] <cliebow> best'
[12:50] <andrupal> cheers
[02:58] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:04] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[03:04] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[03:04] <sbalneav> So, I've completed about 1/2 the rewrite of ldm in C from python
[03:04] <LaserJock> How's it going up north, eh?
[03:04] <sbalneav> I'm logged in on it now.
[03:05] <LaserJock> awesome
[03:05] <sbalneav> Old ldm time on slow box: 40 seconds.
[03:05] <sbalneav> new ldm time: instantaneous.
[03:05] <LaserJock> really?
[03:05] <sbalneav> as soon as X starts up you get the login.
[03:05] <sbalneav> yep.
[03:05] <LaserJock> wow
[03:05] <sbalneav> lots more work to do.  But it WORKS
[03:06] <sbalneav> Plus, it scripts the password session.
[03:06] <sbalneav> so, we'll be able to give error messages
[03:06] <sbalneav> handle expired passwords,
[03:06] <sbalneav> etc.
[03:06] <LaserJock> yeah, sweet
[03:06] <LaserJock> I'll be interesting to see the difference in lines of code
[03:07] <LaserJock> I've heard, in general, python code is 5-10 times fewer lines of code
[03:09] <sbalneav> sbalneav@edubuntu:~/ldm-0.1/src$ wc *.c *.h
[03:09] <sbalneav>    60   138  1105 greeter_iface.c
[03:09] <sbalneav>   308   722  6768 ldm.c
[03:09] <sbalneav>   228   584  4983 sshutils.c
[03:09] <sbalneav>    43   101   896 ldm.h
[03:09] <sbalneav>   639  1545 13752 total
[03:09] <sbalneav> sbalneav@edubuntu:~/ldm-0.1/src$
[03:09] <sbalneav> I think the old ldm's about 150 lines.
[03:09] <sbalneav> By the time I'm done, I'll be up around 1500 lines, methinks.
[03:09] <LaserJock> yeah, so about 10 times
[03:10] <LaserJock> interesting
[03:11] <sbalneav> In Python, if you want to have a list, you just go l = ['foo', 'bar', 'baz'] 
[03:12] <sbalneav> In C, youd have to alloc some mem, set up the pointers to the string, etc.
[03:12] <sbalneav> If you want to ADD to the list in python, l.append('Foople')
[03:12] <sbalneav> In C, that's a world of hurt
[03:12] <sbalneav> realloc the space
[03:13] <sbalneav> copy the stuff over,
[03:13] <sbalneav> add the new one,
[03:13] <sbalneav> etc.
[03:18] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yeah, I've been working on some C++
[03:18] <LaserJock> and the memory/pointer stuff is killing me
[03:19] <LaserJock> but it's pretty darn fast
[03:20] <cliebow>  beam scottie up!
[04:25] <crimsun> ehh, C++?
[04:26] <LaserJock> yeah?
[04:26] <crimsun> if you're using C++, just #include <list>
[04:27] <crimsun> or do you mean any general structure containing strings?
[04:27] <LaserJock> I mean, there's a lot more for me to think about in C++
[04:27] <crimsun> yes, there's much more building of infrastructure, but it's more tolerable than C
[04:27] <LaserJock> but that could be just because I don't really get programming
[04:27] <crimsun> [in terms of rapidly getting something off the ground] 
[04:28] <LaserJock> python lets me just do things
[04:28] <crimsun> yes, that's why most people enjoy Python
[04:29] <LaserJock> I keep reading C++ books, but it's still really difficult for me to read through real code
[04:31] <crimsun> might be a shade easier if you understand some of the biggest differences between Python and C++
[04:31] <crimsun> Python is much less procedural than C++
[04:31] <LaserJock> I was considering taking a class or something at the uni
[04:32] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if that'd help if it's just the same stuff as in the books
[04:32] <crimsun> depends how you're working through the books.
[04:32] <LaserJock> probably
[04:33] <LaserJock> I just read the thing and it makes sense
[04:33] <crimsun> a typical C++ curriculum will pace you through syntax, data structures & algorithms, and so on
[04:33] <LaserJock> but then if I read real application code it doesn't make a ton of sense
[04:33] <crimsun> ah, I see.
[04:34] <crimsun> I recommend you start with a diagramming course at the uni, then.
[04:34] <crimsun> doesn't have to be programming-based, although that helps
[04:34] <crimsun> some art departments have really good ones
[04:34] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[04:35] <crimsun> essentially, look at using visuals to create structure
[04:35] <crimsun> then look at structures to create methods
[04:35] <crimsun> methods have workflows
[04:35] <crimsun> workflows have patterns
[04:36] <crimsun> I don't know how strongly a visual person you are, but for some people it helps to see flowcharts, the programmatic extension being UML diagrams, etc.
[04:37] <crimsun> a great many F/LOSS projects don't do this sort of documentation, unfortunately, but it's one of the first things we learned under Fred Brooks
[04:39] <LaserJock> interesting
[04:41] <LaserJock> I've not done UML diagrams before
[04:42] <LaserJock> but I can see where that might help me out
[07:04] <Meshezabeel> heya jbrefort
[07:05] <jbrefort> hi Meshezabeel
[07:45] <ltsp_homeserver> Hi, does anyne know if gigabit network for LTSP clients improves video framerate or are they still like slide shows ;)
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt it will improve anything
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> local video would hvae more impact
[08:17] <ltsp_homeserver> Do you know any howto's about installing local video support?
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[08:53] <RichEd> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd
[08:54] <RichEd> wet & rainy winter day in Cape Town ...
[08:54] <RichEd> minor flooding ...
[08:54] <RichEd> national public servant strike ...
[08:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> is public service striking a good or bad thing?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: depends on teh public service
[08:58] <juliux> morning
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi juliux
[09:02] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: hospitals, schools, police = some nurses on strike preventing other nurses from working, schools interrupting exams ... tear gas, rubber bullets ... fun for all ...
[09:03] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia & juliux
[09:03] <juliux> hey RichEd
[09:04] <juliux> RichEd, did you still know the project linux4afrika?
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, wow, they do it properly in your country.
[09:06] <RichEd> juliux: yep ... the main guy spoke to me via email a while ago, then I put him on to willvdl, and then oliver told me last week there was a program on german TV with them recommending ubuntu ?
[09:06] <juliux> RichEd, right
[09:07] <juliux> RichEd, and the german tv want to make an extra broadcast with them
[09:07] <juliux> RichEd, they want to show how they prepare there work in afrika in germany and then they want to show how it works in afrika
[09:08] <RichEd> juliux: great ... what is the general "message" goodwill for assisting developement in Africa ?
[09:08] <juliux> RichEd, they not only send hardware to afrika, they also explain the people how to work with them
[09:10] <RichEd> willvdl: hey there ... see /msg for pasteback on the last few lines re linux4afrika
[09:10] <RichEd> juliux: I wonder if they would consider including an insert / quote from Mark S ?
[09:11] <juliux> RichEd, why not
[09:11] <juliux> RichEd, the guy from the tv broadcaster is very friendly and helpful
[09:11] <juliux> RichEd, he is also an ubuntu user and he visit us the last two years on most expos in germany
[09:11] <RichEd> juliux: if you can get some contact details to me, perhaps we can sort out some contact with our PRO people ...
[09:12] <willvdl> RichEd, hey. I'm also very curious to see what level of training they do
[09:12] <RichEd> Mark is "newsworthy" and can add the spin that this sort of situation of need is exactly why he put together a free operating system for human beings
[09:13] <juliux> RichEd, did you see the tv broadcast allready?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: so are we going to get everyone here on facebook? heh
[09:14] <RichEd> juliux: no ... but ogra mentioned it in #canonical last week
[09:14] <willvdl> jsgotangco, ew
[09:14] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[09:14] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: heh, seems like people are doing a good job of adding themselves :)
[09:14] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: but we could certaibly accelerate it
[09:14] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I have yet to understand the point of facebook ... or myspace ...
[09:15] <jsgotangco> social networks are an acquired taste but facebook has nifty apps
[09:15] <willvdl> last.fm is the bomb
[09:15] <jsgotangco> RichEd: why not ask JaneW? *grin*
[09:16] <RichEd> and by insecure, I do not mean security
[09:16] <willvdl> but with such lovely backgrounds
[09:16] <willvdl> and shiny buttons
[09:16] <willvdl> RichEd, http://last.fm
[09:16] <willvdl> it changed my life more than Compiz
[09:16] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:17] <RichEd> "G-Jane: yep,  face book is the new crazy,  where you been dude?"
[09:17] <RichEd> merriam: living in the real world thanks
[09:17] <jsgotangco> yep she's right, have you seen her facebook profile?
[09:17] <RichEd> s/me/merriam
[09:18] <RichEd> ( sorry about the autocomplete )
[09:18] <RichEd> jsgotangco: nope
[09:19] <jsgotangco> i guess you haven't touched twitter or jaiku then?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> willvdl: there's a last.fm app in facebook lol
[09:21] <willvdl> urk
[09:21] <jsgotangco> it has 68,000+ users haha
[09:21] <jsgotangco> "Last.fm Music turns your Facebook 'favorite music' into a radio station."
[09:22] <willvdl> ew
[09:24] <willvdl> last.fm is brilliant though. it's social networking with an actual purpose
[09:24] <willvdl> they just need a better interface
[09:41] <crimsun> I prefer pandora, but YMMV
[09:42] <jsgotangco> sucks for us outside the USA
[09:42] <willvdl> haha
[04:06] <rockprincess> hello all!
[04:11] <SimonAnibal> howdy, rockprincess, how are you today?
[04:11] <rockprincess> howdy Simon! I'm excellent indeed, how about yourself?
[04:15] <rockprincess> i've got some good and some bad news...
[04:22] <SimonAnibal> rockprincess, I'm doing well, what's your news?
[04:26] <administrateur> Hi, I have some problems when printing from openoffice with duplex printer
[04:27] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: good news are that today kicked off my last week at school, so it's time to get some feedback, pupils filled out my feedback sheets and most them thought it was a very good idea installing edubuntu at school. the bad news is that last week i installed edubuntu locally on a few machines at school, (i installed edgy) and then upgraded to feisty....but obviously there was a machine who failed to get all updates, so
[04:27] <rockprincess> i fetched them again today,...seemed to work quite well, and then when i restarted the gdm bootsplash was all cryptic with squares instead of letters....weird?!
[04:33] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: I tried a few things, such as installing the german language-pack-de and installing localeconf and reconfiguring it...
[05:55] <mcksean> anybody out there?
[05:57] <mcksean> are there significant stability or performance benefits to upgrading to 7.04 (I'm currently running the LTS version)?
[06:05] <RichEd> hi mcksean : 7.04 is quite an advancement from LTS
[06:06] <RichEd> There are some new applications, and LTSP is vastly improved in speed & functionality.
[06:23] <mcksean> Hi RichEd -- sounds good --
[06:24] <mcksean> RichEd -- have upgrades been successful for people? Or should I not bother and just do a clean install?
[07:12] <mcksean> to anyone...have you found upgrades to be successful or would you recommend a backup of user dirs and just doing a clean install?
[07:35] <willvdl> highvoltage, howdy
[07:40] <wuzzy79> i installed the live boot onto a memory key, but i am having a hard time setting it boot only to run level 3, any ideas how i can get this done?
[07:44] <willvdl> okie. outa here. see you tomorrow