| mhb | xerosis: yes, dual-booting with rEFIt | 12:15 |
|---|---|---|
| xerosis | mhb: what do use it for? | 12:16 |
| mhb | xerosis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook very useful | 12:17 |
| xerosis | mhb: i meant the mac partition | 12:17 |
| mhb | xerosis: for OS X :o) I am having most of the media stuff on the local network | 12:18 |
| xerosis | mhb: ah ok, see i've used my girlfriend mac but i couldn't see anywhere that i'd prefer it over kubuntu, so wasn't sure whether to keep it on | 12:18 |
| mhb | xerosis: I like to compare OSes, so I did not erase it | 12:20 |
| xerosis | mhb: how much does a small install take up? | 12:20 |
| === wsjunior [n=wsjunior@201-67-35-187.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| mhb | xerosis: of Kubuntu? around 2 gigs, I never count it. | 12:22 |
| xerosis | mhb: sorry, meant mac os | 12:22 |
| mhb | xerosis: no idea. I have my macbook for a week, and the macbook had OS X preinstalled. | 12:23 |
| === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] | ||
| xerosis | mhb: ah ok, fair enough | 12:23 |
| nixternal | hey, anyone noticed that if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the system settings monitor section is broke | 12:49 |
| === apacheLAGger [n=me@N905P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| === kwwii [n=kwwii@72.165.117.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| RadiantFire | why are you deleting xorg.conf? | 01:24 |
| === jriachi [n=jriachi@57.Red-213-98-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| jriachi | hello | 01:26 |
| RadiantFire | hello | 01:26 |
| Tm_T | RadiantFire: why not? | 01:28 |
| RadiantFire | just for the heck of it seems odd | 01:28 |
| Tm_T | it doesn't | 01:28 |
| RadiantFire | k | 01:29 |
| Tm_T | especially channels like this one it's normal to remove something that system should work without | 01:29 |
| Tm_T | if nothing else, just to see how it affects | 01:29 |
| === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| RadiantFire | I guess that means monitor sections reads xorg.conf | 01:47 |
| === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Tm_T | prolly | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | although shouldn't rely on that | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | when xorg doesn't | 01:48 |
| RadiantFire | I guess not | 01:51 |
| === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-255-55-140.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| jjesse | evening | 02:43 |
| Tm_T | well hello hello (: | 02:44 |
| jjesse | hello Tm_T | 02:44 |
| mhb | early morning here | 02:46 |
| Tm_T | very early | 02:46 |
| Tm_T | 0346 | 02:46 |
| jjesse | well then good morning :) | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | heh | 02:47 |
| === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.59.253] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-55-140.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db441d5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| nixternal | where is the kde-systemsettings svn source located? | 06:36 |
| nixternal | nm, found it | 06:44 |
| === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.27.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@WL-POOL00-07.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === apacheLAGger [n=me@N869P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Lure [n=lure@BSN-77-152-53.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-55-140.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| _StefanS_ | mornings | 10:06 |
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Lure_ is now known as Lure | ||
| === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Arby | does adept support apt version pinning? | 11:20 |
| Riddell | no | 11:32 |
| Riddell | Arby: manchicken|away had started on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyAdeptVersionLocking, but there's no implementation details | 11:32 |
| Arby | Riddell: thanks, that would explain bug 113846 then. | 11:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113846 in adept "Adept notifier with pinning" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113846 | 11:35 |
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Arby | Riddell: I had a bit of a triaging session on adept bugs yesterday but there are some I need advice on | 11:44 |
| Arby | who is best to talk to, you or manchicken|away | 11:44 |
| Arby | (not that I can do anything until I get home from work) | 11:45 |
| Riddell | either of us | 11:45 |
| Arby | OK I'll poke one of you this evening | 11:45 |
| Arby | it's mostly tracebacks that I can't interpret | 11:46 |
| Arby | there's also a lot that are wihlists but I'm awaiting ubuntu-qa approval to deal with those | 11:46 |
| Riddell | crashes can mostly go upstream, they shouldn't be our fault | 11:50 |
| Arby | OK I'll look into it later. | 11:51 |
| Arby | the adept bug count should come down quite rapidly in the next week or so :) | 11:51 |
| === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| manchicken_ | Someone is looking at implementing version locking? | 01:42 |
| === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Arby | manchicken_: no someone reported a bug that it doesn't work | 01:45 |
| Arby | and I was asking why | 01:46 |
| Arby | because it hasn't been implemented | 01:46 |
| manchicken_ | Ah. Yup. that's a good reason for it to not work :) | 01:49 |
| manchicken_ | Riddell: Have you been committing your latest changes to svn? | 01:49 |
| manchicken_ | Systemsettings looks pretty good from svn right now. | 01:49 |
| Riddell | manchicken_: yes | 01:50 |
| manchicken_ | Search functionality doesn't work (I'll give a sarcastic "boo-hoo" to that one), but overall things seem to be working and stable. | 01:50 |
| Riddell | hmm, you sure you're on systemsettings_kde4 there? | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | Not entirely :) | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | But it does work. | 01:52 |
| Riddell | it should look like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-systemsettings.png | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | Rather well, too. | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | It's not pretty yet. | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | Yup. | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | That's the fella. | 01:52 |
| manchicken_ | The icons thing is just a packaging issue I think, and the ugly rows are because the icon groups aren't at the page level anymore. | 01:53 |
| Riddell | applying changes doesn't work, you can't go back once you load a module | 01:53 |
| Riddell | clearly you are using a definition of "stable" that is different from that to which I have been used :) | 01:54 |
| manchicken_ | Didn't say stable ;) | 01:55 |
| manchicken_ | Said looks pretty good :) | 01:55 |
| manchicken_ | A very relative term. | 01:55 |
| Riddell | "working and stable" you did you did! | 01:55 |
| manchicken_ | Did I? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | look, it's up there, on that line about boo hoos | 01:55 |
| manchicken_ | Ah. | 01:55 |
| manchicken_ | You've got me. | 01:55 |
| manchicken_ | I s/stable/not crashing/ my previous statement. | 01:56 |
| manchicken_ | Kernel updates are scary. | 01:57 |
| manchicken_ | Will my sound work or not work after this update? | 01:57 |
| manchicken_ | Is fdisk on the live CD? | 02:15 |
| manchicken_ | in a windows executable form? | 02:15 |
| === rdieter [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| mhb | manchicken_: will you sound work? who knows. is fdisk on the CD? I doubt it. | 02:30 |
| mhb | manchicken_: support channels tend to be better at answering this type of questions, though. | 02:30 |
| manchicken_ | mhb: It isn't on there. | 02:31 |
| === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4404f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Hobbsee notes that kdesudo is seriously cool. | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: in what way? | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: it "just works" | 02:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: kdesu is really "su-optimized", that's what causes trouble | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 03:00 |
| mhb | where's Tonio these days? :o) | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | he's got a dodgy connection, and is really busy with the french government | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | i'm hoping he comes back soonish, as i want the patch that he's produced binaries for, to test it. | 03:01 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: are you planning to make that k-r-e package? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: was planning on it. i've already got a package that i made a couple of days ago | 03:09 |
| === Hobbsee was sans internet for most of the last 24 hours, though | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: there were talks about it for feisty, too, but nobody stepped up and implemented it | 03:10 |
| === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Hobbsee | speak of the devil! | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Tonio_! | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: indeed. | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | hey | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | I should get my internet connection back home this week...... | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | 7 weeks without internet..... nightmare | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: do you have the patch that youv'e used for 3.5.6 debs? the one about not properly shutting down? | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i want to test it on 3.5.7 packages, as i'm getting it too | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yep | 03:12 |
| === Hobbsee waves magic arms, and hopes it appears :) | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the patch is in gutsy, but doesn't work, it is bash code, not dash code... | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | I'm fixing this today | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: here is the 3.5.6 patch | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | ah right, so you'll do it today, and i wont keep having to kill my laptop? | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh. | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: do you use gutsy ? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: of course | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: great you'll get the patches now then :) | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | just wait a bit | 03:15 |
| === Hobbsee waits. | ||
| === Hobbsee waits impatiently. | ||
| Tm_T | you're waiting me? | 03:15 |
| Tm_T | don't worry, I'm right here | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | shuuush | 03:16 |
| === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Tonio_ | mhb: ping ? | 03:47 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I'm here | 03:52 |
| mhb | Tonio_: what's up? | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: just checked the kdesudo work | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: you did a second branch ? | 03:52 |
| mhb | yes, RadiantFire and me are trying to create a better sudo backend for kdesu | 03:53 |
| mhb | we opened a branch of kdesu, hope you don't mind | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | no of course | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | so the idea is to take the kdesudo code and get it in kde directly ? | 03:56 |
| mhb | Tonio_: yes, more or less | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: good plan | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: do you expect to have something ready for gutsy or should we still focs on kdesudo ? | 03:59 |
| mhb | we (you and everyone else) should focus on kdesudo | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: okay | 04:01 |
| mhb | once (an if) we have the "sudo" backend working, we'll import all the changes from kdesudo | 04:01 |
| mhb | but it's hard to say, RadiantFire is the brain behind the backend really | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: okay and we'll try to get the changes synchronized in the 2 branches for an easy merging | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: sounds a very good plan | 04:02 |
| mhb | Tonio_: kdesudo trunk branch should concentrate on implementing the rest of the parameters kdesu uses | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | yep that's the only missing thing now | 04:05 |
| === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| === kwwii [n=kwwii@72.165.117.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| fdoving | Tonio, mhb, i have a patch for kdesudo, adds -s, forget passwords. if you want it. | 04:45 |
| fdoving | i also changed some single-char qstrings to qchars and QString::null to QString() for cleaner code and qt4 compability. | 04:46 |
| fdoving | and.. i changed to use pointers instead of values as function arguments. | 04:47 |
| mhb | fdoving: suprise gifts always cheer me up :o) perhaps you might be interested in joining the kdesudo team, so you can commit it directly. | 04:49 |
| fdoving | mhb: sure, can't promise anything about how much i can contribute, but i can always join. | 04:50 |
| fdoving | mhb: http://frode.kde.no/misc/kdesudo_fdoving_01_forget_password.diff | 04:50 |
| mhb | may I ask what is this change for? -- + *p << "sudo -S -p passprompt -u " << runas << ' ' << cmd; | 04:52 |
| fdoving | mhb: " " vs ' ' | 04:52 |
| fdoving | mhb: qstring vs qchar. | 04:52 |
| mhb | yeah, noticed that. What for? | 04:52 |
| mhb | oh | 04:52 |
| mhb | fdoving: the patch seems ok, I need to read up on that qstring vs. qchar issue, though. | 04:54 |
| fdoving | mhb: qchar is faster than qstring. as it's smaller. | 04:55 |
| fdoving | mhb: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/krazy/reports/playground/sysadmin/kamion/index.html - see check 5. | 04:56 |
| fdoving | mhb: also check 14. | 04:56 |
| fdoving | and check 16. | 04:57 |
| fdoving | those are the ones i touched. | 04:57 |
| === apacheLAGger [n=me@N779P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| mhb | fdoving: thanks for the links | 04:59 |
| fdoving | mhb: will you apply this, or should i wait for tonio to approve me? | 05:02 |
| mhb | fdoving: I guess we should wait, so we can see in bzr who did the cleanup | 05:04 |
| fdoving | ok :) | 05:04 |
| mhb | fdoving: speaking of names - the only line I could be against is the copyright line. | 05:04 |
| fdoving | ok? | 05:05 |
| fdoving | I add those to anything i touch. | 05:05 |
| === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| mhb | fdoving: that might not be a good practice - imagine all of the people that contributed to kdelibs or such | 05:06 |
| === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| mhb | fdoving: I am sure we can get your name in if you want, I'm just not sure if the code itself is a good place for it | 05:06 |
| fdoving | mhb: ok, an example from khtml: http://rafb.net/p/zvsd2m24.html | 05:07 |
| fdoving | which is inside kdelibs. | 05:07 |
| mhb | fdoving: that's the problem with copyrights, once they're in, you can hardly get them out | 05:09 |
| fdoving | what's the problem with it again? | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: what is the status of the unmountwrapper in gutsy ? | 05:10 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5331 | 05:11 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: "Thanks. Uploaded" - Lure | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: okay now we have to write the main inclusion thing | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I'll do that tomorrow with the help of Riddell | 05:12 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: can't see that it is in though. | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: ah ? | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: pending in the NEW queue ? | 05:12 |
| fdoving | might be. | 05:12 |
| fdoving | June 08 13:09 - is when he said "Uploaded" | 05:13 |
| fdoving | does it take that long? | 05:13 |
| === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F189C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Riddell | it can do | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | can take longer than that... | 05:15 |
| Riddell | now if only sysadmin would give me my archive account | 05:16 |
| mhb | fdoving: http://producingoss.com/en/managing-volunteers.html#territoriality | 05:16 |
| mhb | fdoving: a good read on the topic, at least IMHO. | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: where on earth did you fidn taht link? | 05:17 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: Google sent me that book as a "suprise" for participating in SoC, and I know you can read it online, too. | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ahhh. managing volunteers is the book, or it somewhere else? | 05:18 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: Producing Open-Source Software | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | gotcha | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | oh right, i see | 05:19 |
| === Hobbsee bookmarks. | ||
| freeflying | Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org.cn/documentation.php --< kubuntu-cn website is coming :) | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is the process for a MIR when it is a kubuntu developement, means application mostly untested ? | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there a complete review of the code ? | 05:20 |
| fdoving | mhb: fine. | 05:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure, same as anything | 05:21 |
| Riddell | freeflying: ooh? | 05:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what is it? | 05:22 |
| freeflying | Riddell: branch your source and translate it into Chinese :) | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the unmountwrapper application by fdoving | 05:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: does it need to be a separate package? | 05:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: accourding to fdoving yes | 05:24 |
| === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Tonio_ | fdoving: what is the reason ? I can't recall it :) | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | s/recall/remember | 05:24 |
| fdoving | it doesn't -need- to be, but i would prefer it to be. | 05:24 |
| fdoving | it could probably be added as a patch to kdebase. but i'm not up for that task. | 05:25 |
| === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4404f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Kaeron [n=Kaeron@AToulouse-254-1-101-215.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === DaSkreech [n=ubuntu@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| DaSkreech | hi Hobbsee | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | hiya DaSkreech! | 05:45 |
| === Kaeron [n=Kaeron@AToulouse-254-1-101-215.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] | ||
| DaSkreech | Was the adept Server freeze bugged? | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | i dunno :) | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | i don tuse adept most of hte time | 05:50 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Would it be possible to make the kwallet password dialog appear on all virtual desktops? | 05:50 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I currently have the problem that some apps are blocked while that dialog is active, with it being hidden on some other desktop. | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: dunno, hard to guess.... | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I'll have a look | 05:51 |
| hunger | Tonio_: It seems to be enough to set window specific settings for it... at least that seems to work-for-me(TM). | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: okay thanks for the tip | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | should be done via kds then | 05:52 |
| hunger | kds? | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: kubuntu default settings | 05:52 |
| hunger | Oh, of course. | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I'll be there on thursday and friday, I'll do that then | 05:53 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Great! You rock! | 05:53 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Only thought about asking you since there are some "(Default)" entries already in the the window specific settings dialog. | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 05:54 |
| === DaSkreech waves at hunger | ||
| DaSkreech | manchicken__: ping | 05:57 |
| hunger | Hi DaSkreech | 05:58 |
| DaSkreech | how goes it? | 05:58 |
| hunger | Good, good. | 05:58 |
| === DaSkreech hasn't seen a decibel newsletter in a bit :) | ||
| hunger | DaSkreech: I am busy with other projects. | 05:58 |
| DaSkreech | ok cool :) | 05:59 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: But in fact we will have a meeting about Decibel in a couple of min. I should get some resources after that:-) | 05:59 |
| === hunger hops. | ||
| DaSkreech | where would that be? | 06:00 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Internal to my company. | 06:00 |
| manchicken__ | DaSkreech: Wuddup? | 06:01 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: do you monitor adept bugs? | 06:02 |
| manchicken | Sometimes. | 06:03 |
| manchicken | I've been a bad kubuntuer and not been hacking much lately. | 06:03 |
| manchicken | COMPLETELY underestimated how much time pregnant wives require. | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: heh. she deserves your attention | 06:03 |
| manchicken | Absolutely. | 06:04 |
| manchicken | I just underestimated that by quite a bit. | 06:04 |
| manchicken | I thought I'd still be able to have my hacking Saturdays. | 06:04 |
| manchicken | No such luck. | 06:04 |
| manchicken | Especially with all of the doctors visits. | 06:05 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: Did you have a particular bug in mind? | 06:05 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: and foot rubs | 06:05 |
| manchicken | Yes. Foot rubs are certainly in the increase. | 06:06 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: one where adept freezes when you select a server | 06:06 |
| manchicken | Well, and I've been putting in more hours at work to keep my boss from getting upset when I have to take off for appointment. | 06:06 |
| manchicken | appointments* | 06:06 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: Does it ever come back? | 06:06 |
| manchicken | Select a server? | 06:07 |
| DaSkreech | Just get them to pay you for hacking on Kubuntu | 06:07 |
| manchicken | Could you give me a more specific use case? | 06:07 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: We can't all have Tonio_'s job ;) | 06:07 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: Adept -> manager repos -> select a server -> find fastest server -> feeze | 06:07 |
| === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| manchicken | Ooh. | 06:07 |
| fdoving | DaSkreech: i belive that is software-properties, isn't it? | 06:07 |
| manchicken | That'd be the python fella that Riddell put together IIRC. | 06:07 |
| manchicken | That's definitely software-properties. | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: note that at the moment I couldn't really go hacking at home for kubuntu | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | that'll change starting this week, as the parliament project ended :) | 06:08 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: You're still a lucky bastage for having an employer who will support your free software endeavors :) | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: all of french govt, or just the parliament bit? | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: sure I am :) | 06:10 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: only the parliament for the moment, which is not that bad | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 06:10 |
| mhb | manchicken: hi, hope you are well even without a floss-friendly employer :o) | 06:14 |
| Riddell | software-properties-kde | 06:15 |
| === DaSkreech has serious issues with the IP stack in feisty | ||
| manchicken | mhb: It's not that they're not friendly, it's that they want me to only work on their stuff during work hour :) | 06:15 |
| mhb | manchicken: http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7845/addavisky1.png an idea of how the adept_installer should look like. Just a mockup, I fear I'll never find the time to implement this one. | 06:17 |
| Riddell | that pretty well is what it looks like | 06:17 |
| Riddell | but it needs package description and the like | 06:17 |
| Riddell | rewriting adept installer in python would be a useful experiment | 06:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: yes, the widget is the same | 06:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: the thing is, all the unnecessary stuff has been removed | 06:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: the menu bar, the bottom bar, categories... | 06:18 |
| Riddell | package description isn't unnecessary | 06:19 |
| Riddell | categories are useful for browsing | 06:19 |
| mhb | Riddell: what do you need browsing for? | 06:19 |
| manchicken | mhb: I think adept_installer looks okay. | 06:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: people don't always know what they're after, they should have a way to be able to browse to see what's available without having to look at the list of all packages | 06:19 |
| manchicken | It needs some more info readily available (kubuntu icon thingy, etc)... | 06:20 |
| manchicken | And some people don't know that it's called a "web browser" | 06:20 |
| manchicken | They may think that Firefox IS "the internet" | 06:20 |
| manchicken | I see so many people who open IE and say they're opening the internet. | 06:20 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: browsing rocks | 06:20 |
| mhb | manchicken: yes, and those people have the menu for that | 06:21 |
| manchicken | I like simplification, but I think that may be over-simplification. | 06:21 |
| manchicken | mhb: Not if they're trying to install it. | 06:21 |
| mhb | manchicken: they have "the internet" built in | 06:21 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: the menu ? | 06:21 |
| manchicken | mhb: I think you're over-simplifying the issue. | 06:22 |
| manchicken | mhb: People sometimes only have a vague idea of what they're trying to install. | 06:22 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: I want to install an app to make mashups | 06:22 |
| manchicken | I can't tell you how many times I've went in to see what available games are there. | 06:22 |
| mhb | manchicken: so you write "games". | 06:22 |
| mhb | manchicken: you get the list. | 06:22 |
| manchicken | mhb: That is a much tougher search | 06:23 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: tags in adept rocks :) | 06:23 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: I like them, too. | 06:23 |
| === DaSkreech hugs them and squeezes them and calls them George | ||
| mhb | Riddell: perhaps, yes. Still, the menu bar and the bottom bar is totally not necessary. | 06:24 |
| manchicken | mhb: Managing repositories is accessed via menubar... | 06:25 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: no it isn't | 06:25 |
| Riddell | it isn't, but I hope it will be for gutsy | 06:26 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: how did you get on with any merging? | 06:26 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: how do you install? | 06:26 |
| manchicken | Ooh, it's not. That's ugly. | 06:26 |
| manchicken | The settings menu is utterly useless. | 06:27 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: did a packaging with apachelogger on skype but unfortunatly did not have time for more so far | 06:27 |
| manchicken | And the review changes button is hidden in the View menu. | 06:27 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: what happened to that package? | 06:28 |
| mhb | I'll probably write a mini-article about my thoughts | 06:29 |
| Riddell | blog blog! | 06:29 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: was kblogger - apachelogger had packaged and uploaded it before - that was just to show me how to do it | 06:29 |
| === Hobbsee waves to Nightrose | ||
| === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Nightrose | hey Hobbsee | 06:30 |
| === Nightrose is still looking for something small to try on her own | ||
| Hobbsee | i'm still looking for something to give out to new contributors, too. | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | who's doing the restricted manager, and how far did they get? | 06:32 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: poke. | 06:32 |
| Nightrose | jea the big stuff is a little intimidating at first... ;-) | 06:32 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: hi | 06:32 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if mhb actually has his code for the grub stuff published anywhere. | ||
| Hobbsee | xerosis: you said you were interested in QT/KDE, right? | 06:33 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: i am indeed | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: have you thought about coding a graphical grub boot config modifier? ie, a gui to /boot/grub/menu.lst? | 06:33 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: sounds a good project... | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: i believe it's on the wishlist, and i beleive mhb had some form of code. | 06:33 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: python would be better non? | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | i dont *think* it ever go too far off the ground. | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: there are pyqt bindings. | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: which most of our stuff is written in, iirc. | 06:34 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt actually code, per se. | ||
| Hobbsee | except for packaging-related bits. | 06:34 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: of course I do | 06:34 |
| xerosis | well my python is worse than my C++ but i'd like to learn python so I could give it a go in python and use C++ if i can't | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: have you any plans to work on it, or are you happy to hand over and/or collaborate with xerosis on it? | 06:35 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I'll be happy to collaborate | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | er, nasty, that's 3 questions in one sentence. | 06:35 |
| DaSkreech | apachelogger: geek :) | 06:35 |
| Riddell | grub-config is in KDE SVN along with the rest of guidance | 06:35 |
| xerosis | mhb: what is is written in? | 06:36 |
| xerosis | *it | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | python, if it's guidance. | 06:36 |
| mhb | xerosis: python | 06:36 |
| apachelogger | DaSkreech: huh? | 06:36 |
| xerosis | mhb: okay | 06:36 |
| mhb | xerosis: actually, it would be AWESOME if you wanted to help with it | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yay, thankyou :) | 06:36 |
| xerosis | mhb: well, like i said my python isn't all that hot, but i'm sure i can pick it up quickly :) | 06:37 |
| DaSkreech | apachelogger: 42 patents | 06:37 |
| xerosis | mhb: especially as there's already some code | 06:37 |
| mhb | xerosis: with me you get nonstandard services | 06:37 |
| xerosis | mhb: oo er | 06:37 |
| apachelogger | DaSkreech: well, it just popped into my mind when I read an article on pro-linux.de :D | 06:37 |
| mhb | xerosis: I'm willing to help you anytime | 06:37 |
| mhb | xerosis: and with anything | 06:37 |
| DaSkreech | apachelogger: hence me labeling you a geek :-) | 06:38 |
| DaSkreech | cause and effect | 06:38 |
| apachelogger | is ok for me | 06:40 |
| === apachelogger always wanted to be a geek :D | ||
| apachelogger | huh... people use to consider me as nerd... anyway ;-) | 06:40 |
| manchicken | Anybody know why my number pad is controlling my mouse? | 06:40 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: you told it to | 06:41 |
| apachelogger | in the mouse kcm | 06:41 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: you can browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging | 06:42 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: I see an entry for klogshow there, although apachelogger says he's going to work on it (just steal it while he's not looking if you want) | 06:42 |
| Nightrose | ah thx Riddell - will have a look | 06:42 |
| Nightrose | hehe will try | 06:43 |
| apachelogger | ^_^ | 06:43 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ | 06:43 |
| apachelogger | have a look at the needs packaging | 06:43 |
| apachelogger | just grabbed some kde apps | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: any thoughts on getting Nightrose to fix okular? | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: as in, any good reason not to touch it? | 06:43 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: I would argue that I didn't, but as long as it stops, I don't care :) | 06:44 |
| Nightrose | k apachelogger | 06:44 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: sure, she's welcome to it | 06:44 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: kcmshell mouse -> tab navigation | 06:44 |
| Riddell | but okular probably needs a kdelibs that matches whenever the last okular release was | 06:44 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: The "Move pointer with keyboard" option is not checked. | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: all it's showing is... | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | okular: Depends: libgs-esp8 but it is not installable | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | Depends: libpoppler1-qt4 but it is not installable | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | E: Broken packages | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: so unless it fails to build as well... | 06:45 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: so it's something low level | 06:45 |
| apachelogger | meaning lower level than kde | 06:45 |
| apachelogger | or maybe higher?! | 06:45 |
| manchicken | Figured that out :) | 06:45 |
| === apachelogger just knows about kde settings :P | ||
| Nightrose | I'll have a look at one of apachelogger packages | 06:45 |
| apachelogger | <-- kde geek, as DaSkreech would say | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh yes, i see what you mean. | 06:45 |
| === Hobbsee might test-fix that one first. | ||
| manchicken | Don't know what it would be. | 06:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: klogshow might be a good idea | 06:46 |
| Nightrose | k | 06:46 |
| apachelogger | didn't look too complicate at first | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | she can pick any and all :P | 06:46 |
| DaSkreech | apachelogger: that's a geeK | 06:47 |
| apachelogger | ah | 06:47 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 06:47 |
| apachelogger | ;P | 06:47 |
| === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-173-219.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-40-16.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Hobbsee | ooh, cmake has a pretty build system | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | it has colour! | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | (ooh, shiny) | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | and percentages. way cool! | 06:54 |
| === IppatsuManXYZ [n=kvirc@213-140-19-123.fastres.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4404f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh fudge. this fails. perhaps upload the failed version, so you can merge off that? | 07:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's that? | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i've fixed a few build deps for okular, but you're right, it needs a newer kdelibs. want me to just upload the broken one anyway, so that someone doesnt have to work out that bit of the transition, with the newer kdelibs? | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | there's no net loss - it's still not installable. | 07:08 |
| Riddell | yeah, why not | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: feels weird, uploading a source package that i *know* is going to fail. | 07:08 |
| === meven_ [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-166-217.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| DaSkreech | nixternal: what is the rant about? | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: his love of vista | 07:17 |
| DaSkreech | Or the DMCA | 07:17 |
| === Hobbsee actually heard "bah humbug" in conversation today | ||
| DaSkreech | :-) | 07:21 |
| === Hobbsee ended up bursting out laughing | ||
| Hobbsee | so much for pretending not to be listening to their conversation... | 07:22 |
| === pygi [n=mario@83-131-3-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| DaSkreech | !w32 | 07:32 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | !w32codecs | 07:32 |
| ubotu | Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs | 07:32 |
| === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away | ||
| nixternal | !nixternal | 07:45 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! | 07:45 |
| nixternal | muhahahahaha | 07:45 |
| nixternal | more like the "pointy-clicky XP user because school makes him use it, hater has arrived" | 07:46 |
| === Hobbsee ponders just sending all beryl bugs about kicker crashing back to beryl. | ||
| nixternal | yup | 07:46 |
| nixternal | although, KDE did fix previous Kicker issues with Beryl | 07:46 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I would send them to Beryl for 2 reasons, 1) it is Beryl's fault, and 2) KDE isn't going to fix any more composite bugs before KDE 4 since they aren't grave | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i'm currently whining at racarr about it | 07:48 |
| nixternal | unless we are going to start patching KDE 3.5.x releases for Kubuntu | 07:48 |
| nixternal | even then, I don't think we have the manpower to handle such feats | 07:48 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: i did that but got told to change it back to kicker :p | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | this is a big cloud of SEP :P | 07:49 |
| nixternal | ya, but when Hobbsee says something, they listen! :) | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:49 |
| xerosis | the bug was completely about beryl apart from the backtrace... | 07:49 |
| === Hobbsee sends it back to them | ||
| Hobbsee | true that | 07:49 |
| nixternal | actually, I had one person listen to me in a bug report, and he did exactly what I asked..for that I am grateful | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | it's a bug in kicker that beryl exposes, that doesnt happen under kde | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | er, kwin | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | i've seen it before | 07:49 |
| nixternal | he wanted us to implement NSCD to speed of Konqui..which we aren't going to do ootb because of the conflicts with samba for one | 07:50 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: btw, thanks for the tip on grub-config | 07:50 |
| nixternal | so I said, that isn't going to happen, we could possible get a "Disable KDE IPv6" gui at the most | 07:50 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: no problem | 07:50 |
| nixternal | which I have started working on..learning python while doing it...although I am unclear about the os.putenv and how it works exactly | 07:51 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: i'm back from uni for the summer, was dying to do something :) | 07:51 |
| xerosis | nixternal: same, i'm learning as i go... | 07:51 |
| nixternal | I can temporarily change the env for KDE_NO_IPV6=TRUE with os.environ | 07:51 |
| nixternal | but it would be nice to be able to set a permanent env setting for a user with it...I will learn it soon I am sure | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: woo :) | 07:52 |
| pygi | hey nixternal | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: or at least they sort of listen. | 07:54 |
| === Arby [n=richard@91.84.64.221] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| nixternal | hiya pygi | 07:56 |
| pygi | how are you doing? :) | 07:56 |
| === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter | ||
| === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db440a6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| fdoving | nixternal: i belive permanently changing the env would include writing to some shell-rc file. like .bash_profile, but in order for new environment settings to become usable for most apps, the user needs to re-login. | 08:22 |
| === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Arby | manchicken: Riddell: got time to advise on some adept bug triage | 08:28 |
| Arby | first up bug 62475 | 08:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475 | 08:28 |
| Arby | can that be closed since there is a fix attached? | 08:28 |
| Arby | i.e. has the fix made it into adept yet? | 08:29 |
| === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Hobbsee | Arby: not unless the person who's uploaded hte fix to the archives has marked it as such | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | ie, no | 08:29 |
| Arby | OK | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | oh wait | 08:30 |
| Hobbsee | looking at that, i dunno. as manchicken is the standard person for it | 08:30 |
| Arby | yes it's him who attached the fix | 08:30 |
| Hobbsee | you'll have to wait for him to answer - but i wouldnt close that, in current state | 08:30 |
| Arby | Hobbsee: OK, I have plenty more to work on :) | 08:31 |
| === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| xerosis | Arby: don't steal all the bugs before hug day :p | 08:42 |
| Arby | xerosis: unfortunately I don't have a lot of time on hug day | 08:43 |
| Arby | so I'm getting in early :) | 08:43 |
| xerosis | Arby: i'll let you off then... | 08:43 |
| fdoving | nixternal: nice blog about dmca-stuff, i so agree. | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | there's enough bugs for everyone.... | 08:45 |
| nixternal | hey, don't view that site with Konqui...that nixforce is loaded with ads within everyones posts...konqui doesn't show them :) | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | there's still 130K of them. | 08:45 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: yeah but they'll all the the leftovers :p | 08:45 |
| xerosis | s/the/be | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | bah | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | i'm sure you can find something interesting in them | 08:46 |
| Arby | adept has over a hundred but I'm working on that :) | 08:47 |
| xerosis | have you ever tried explaining bug triage to anyone outside of linux? | 08:47 |
| xerosis | blank faces all round | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | sure. mozilla. | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | note: you said linux, not open source | 08:48 |
| xerosis | you know what i mean :p | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | in fact, i learned bug triage from mozilla. | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | doing it on windows. | 08:48 |
| xerosis | i meant non-nerds | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | there are some very nerdy windows users </pedant> | 08:48 |
| === Hobbsee ducks | ||
| === xerosis gives up, talks to a bottle | ||
| Hobbsee | hehehhehehe | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | i'd imagine it happens lots in propriatory softwrae too | 08:49 |
| === kwwii [n=kwwii@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| xerosis | i meant family int he first instance... | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh right | 08:50 |
| xerosis | not that it matters now :p | 08:50 |
| pygi | kwwii, !!! :) | 08:51 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 08:51 |
| kwwii | hi pygi | 08:52 |
| pygi | hey, how are you? :) | 08:52 |
| kwwii | somewhat sick still, but other than that, good | 08:52 |
| pygi | ehm, get well | 08:52 |
| kwwii | and you? | 08:52 |
| pygi | tired, busy and stuff | 08:52 |
| pygi | too much work to do :( | 08:52 |
| kwwii | yeah, well, I am on a business trip atm, so no real chance to get better yet | 08:53 |
| pygi | and 5 exams this week :P | 08:53 |
| pygi | hehe | 08:53 |
| kwwii | ouch, 5 is probably 4 too many | 08:53 |
| === Hobbsee should go to bed. | ||
| Hobbsee | how's it almsot 5am again? | 08:53 |
| pygi | kwwii, yea , well :) | 08:54 |
| pygi | and mostly silly subjects which I dont like | 08:54 |
| pygi | like law :P | 08:54 |
| kwwii | hehe, you can make good money learning the law | 08:57 |
| pygi | perhaps, but meh, useless :) | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | pygi: ha! accounting and tax law for me tomorrow :P | 08:57 |
| pygi | apachelogger, informatics law here wednesday exam | 08:58 |
| pygi | tomorrow is math | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | wednesday is biology and german :D | 08:58 |
| === xerosis has already taken/failed all his | ||
| pygi | tuesday is informatics and statistics | 08:58 |
| pygi | and saturday is organization | 08:58 |
| pygi | xerosis, I'll do similar :P | 08:58 |
| xerosis | i had a prolog exam :(:( | 08:59 |
| pygi | lol | 08:59 |
| pygi | nice :P | 09:02 |
| pygi | apachelogger, you know something right? Unlike me? :) | 09:02 |
| apachelogger | pygi: not so sure about that :S | 09:05 |
| pygi | apachelogger, I didnt look math, and that's my second time at that exam | 09:05 |
| === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| apachelogger | pygi: account is also 2nd time :S | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | last exam was right after linuxtag | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | so I had no change to learn anything | 09:09 |
| pygi | apachelogger, that is in my second semester | 09:09 |
| pygi | I still have to pass first one :P | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | luckily I got permission to do it again :D | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | pygi: hehe | 09:09 |
| pygi | (tho I did listen to the accounting classes) | 09:09 |
| pygi | apachelogger, don't you have right to take each exam 3+1 times? | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | nope | 09:11 |
| pygi | hm, how come? | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | austrian school system :P | 09:11 |
| pygi | meh | 09:11 |
| pygi | I have 3+1 times to pass an exam | 09:11 |
| pygi | and I still won't pass :p | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | well... :P | 09:12 |
| pygi | what? :) | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | nothing | 09:14 |
| pygi | hehe :) | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | should continue learning | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | on the other hand | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | listening to music is lots more fun :D | 09:14 |
| === apachelogger is listening to Bernadette by Skampis on Live in der Leeze [Amarok] | ||
| pygi | I agree :P | 09:15 |
| === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEF5B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === DaSkreech [n=ubuntu@port0002-abm-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Arby | can anyone tell me if bug 95955 is actually a bug or is adept supposed to behave that way | 09:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 95955 in adept "Adept Manager doesn't keep changes to UI" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95955 | 09:36 |
| xerosis | doesn't sound like a bug to me :/ | 09:42 |
| xerosis | but don't take my word for it | 09:42 |
| Arby | no it doesn't sound like a bug to me either | 09:45 |
| Arby | I was just hoping to check with soemone who knows the intended behaviour | 09:45 |
| xerosis | it's not an important enough part of the UI to expect changes to be saved | 09:46 |
| xerosis | manchicken__ will know | 09:46 |
| Arby | manchicken__: got a minute to look at that ^^ bug? | 09:46 |
| DaSkreech | yay! Net | 09:48 |
| === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === xerosis_ [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| xerosis | has the default font/size changed in gutsy? | 10:28 |
| === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-061-082.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-255-23-185.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| manchicken__ | Arby: I'll look at it now, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do anything on it just yet. | 11:08 |
| Arby | manchicken__: thanks, I just needed confirmation if that is expected behaviour or an actual bug. | 11:09 |
| manchicken__ | Arby: Expected behavior. | 11:09 |
| manchicken__ | I agree with the user that that behavior would be desirable, but it's simply not there yet. | 11:10 |
| Arby | right that's all I needed to know. | 11:10 |
| Arby | there are a stack of adept bugs that should be wishlist | 11:10 |
| Arby | but I'm not ubuntu-qa so I can't do that | 11:11 |
| manchicken__ | Welcome to the reason why I don't like looking at the adept list :) | 11:11 |
| Arby | I'd be happy to do it if I could | 11:11 |
| manchicken__ | Also, you have to love the ones that are really dpkg issues, or even better, package issues. | 11:11 |
| Arby | I spent most of yesterday triaging adept bugs | 11:11 |
| manchicken__ | Good. | 11:11 |
| manchicken__ | Someone needs to... Lord knows I lack the patience. | 11:12 |
| Arby | happy to do it if you're happy to fill the gaps in my knowledge | 11:12 |
| Arby | and I'm working on getting u-qa | 11:12 |
| Arby | to clean up the wishlist | 11:13 |
| Arby | manchicken__: another one that could possibly be closed is bug 62475 | 11:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475 | 11:15 |
| Arby | it has a fix on it from you. | 11:15 |
| Arby | can that be marked fix released/ | 11:16 |
| Arby | or is it still in progress? | 11:16 |
| manchicken__ | I think this one went live with feisty. | 11:17 |
| manchicken__ | Not completely sure. | 11:17 |
| Arby | well the view menu definitely works on my feisty | 11:17 |
| manchicken__ | I just verified that the fix is in. | 11:17 |
| manchicken__ | That's a closed one. | 11:17 |
| Arby | hooray | 11:17 |
| Arby | adept bugs -1 :) | 11:18 |
| manchicken__ | Maybe even make a wishlist post for making that smarter? | 11:18 |
| manchicken__ | Dunno. | 11:18 |
| Arby | your call, it's your fix. | 11:18 |
| Arby | I'm about to close it unless you want it wishlisted | 11:18 |
| xerosis | Arby: ubuntu-qa only needs 5 bugs or something small | 11:19 |
| Arby | xerosis: I know just had a conversation with bdmurray and sent him my five :) | 11:19 |
| Arby | manchicken__: closing that bug as fix released. | 11:22 |
| manchicken__ | Righto | 11:22 |
| Arby | hooray that brings the adept bug list under 100. | 11:26 |
| manchicken__ | Yay! We should have a party. | 11:28 |
| === Arby goes to the fridge to fetch beer | ||
| manchicken__ | Arby: You can call me manchicken ;) | 11:33 |
| manchicken__ | no need for formality :) | 11:33 |
| manchicken | I think more people know me as manchicken than by my real name anyway. | 11:33 |
| Arby | yeah it still seems odd referring to people by irc nicks outside irc | 11:34 |
| mhb | sure thing, Michael | 11:34 |
| manchicken | I half-jokingly called the court clerk to see if I could change my name to "manchicken" one time. She hung up on me. | 11:34 |
| crimsun | really? They said I could add "crimsun" to mine, but I declined. | 11:34 |
| Arby | having said that I find myself responding to arby in real life a lot more | 11:35 |
| Arby | especially in geek company | 11:35 |
| xerosis | annoyingly all my real-life nicks were taken on irc :( | 11:41 |
| mhb | well, now I know Richard's name, too | 11:42 |
| Arby | indeed :) | 11:43 |
| Arby | Rich to my friends, which includes everybody here. | 11:44 |
| === xerosis wished google would make gmail work on konqueror better | ||
| Arby | quick look at bug 116700 anyone , are those traces missing debugging symbols or are they meant to be like that? | 11:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 116700 in adept "when KDE starts the Programm is crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116700 | 11:46 |
| mhb | Arby: missing, I'd say | 11:53 |
| Arby | mhb: right thanks | 11:53 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
