[12:15] xerosis: yes, dual-booting with rEFIt [12:16] mhb: what do use it for? [12:17] xerosis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook very useful [12:17] mhb: i meant the mac partition [12:18] xerosis: for OS X :o) I am having most of the media stuff on the local network [12:18] mhb: ah ok, see i've used my girlfriend mac but i couldn't see anywhere that i'd prefer it over kubuntu, so wasn't sure whether to keep it on [12:20] xerosis: I like to compare OSes, so I did not erase it [12:20] mhb: how much does a small install take up? === wsjunior [n=wsjunior@201-67-35-187.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] xerosis: of Kubuntu? around 2 gigs, I never count it. [12:22] mhb: sorry, meant mac os [12:23] xerosis: no idea. I have my macbook for a week, and the macbook had OS X preinstalled. === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:23] mhb: ah ok, fair enough [12:49] hey, anyone noticed that if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the system settings monitor section is broke === apacheLAGger [n=me@N905P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === kwwii [n=kwwii@72.165.117.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] why are you deleting xorg.conf? === jriachi [n=jriachi@57.Red-213-98-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] hello [01:26] hello [01:28] RadiantFire: why not? [01:28] just for the heck of it seems odd [01:28] it doesn't [01:29] k [01:29] especially channels like this one it's normal to remove something that system should work without [01:29] if nothing else, just to see how it affects === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:47] I guess that means monitor sections reads xorg.conf === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] prolly [01:48] although shouldn't rely on that [01:48] when xorg doesn't [01:51] I guess not === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-255-55-140.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:43] evening [02:44] well hello hello (: [02:44] hello Tm_T [02:46] early morning here [02:46] very early [02:46] 0346 [02:47] well then good morning :) [02:47] heh === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.59.253] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-55-140.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db441d5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] where is the kde-systemsettings svn source located? 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[11:32] no [11:32] Arby: manchicken|away had started on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyAdeptVersionLocking, but there's no implementation details [11:35] Riddell: thanks, that would explain bug 113846 then. [11:35] Launchpad bug 113846 in adept "Adept notifier with pinning" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113846 === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:44] Riddell: I had a bit of a triaging session on adept bugs yesterday but there are some I need advice on [11:44] who is best to talk to, you or manchicken|away [11:45] (not that I can do anything until I get home from work) [11:45] either of us [11:45] OK I'll poke one of you this evening [11:46] it's mostly tracebacks that I can't interpret [11:46] there's also a lot that are wihlists but I'm awaiting ubuntu-qa approval to deal with those [11:50] crashes can mostly go upstream, they shouldn't be our fault [11:51] OK I'll look into it later. [11:51] the adept bug count should come down quite rapidly in the next week or so :) === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] Someone is looking at implementing version locking? === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] manchicken_: no someone reported a bug that it doesn't work [01:46] and I was asking why [01:46] because it hasn't been implemented [01:49] Ah. Yup. that's a good reason for it to not work :) [01:49] Riddell: Have you been committing your latest changes to svn? [01:49] Systemsettings looks pretty good from svn right now. [01:50] manchicken_: yes [01:50] Search functionality doesn't work (I'll give a sarcastic "boo-hoo" to that one), but overall things seem to be working and stable. [01:52] hmm, you sure you're on systemsettings_kde4 there? [01:52] Not entirely :) [01:52] But it does work. [01:52] it should look like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-systemsettings.png [01:52] Rather well, too. [01:52] It's not pretty yet. [01:52] Yup. [01:52] That's the fella. [01:53] The icons thing is just a packaging issue I think, and the ugly rows are because the icon groups aren't at the page level anymore. [01:53] applying changes doesn't work, you can't go back once you load a module [01:54] clearly you are using a definition of "stable" that is different from that to which I have been used :) [01:55] Didn't say stable ;) [01:55] Said looks pretty good :) [01:55] A very relative term. [01:55] "working and stable" you did you did! [01:55] Did I? [01:55] look, it's up there, on that line about boo hoos [01:55] Ah. [01:55] You've got me. [01:56] I s/stable/not crashing/ my previous statement. [01:57] Kernel updates are scary. [01:57] Will my sound work or not work after this update? [02:15] Is fdisk on the live CD? [02:15] in a windows executable form? === rdieter [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:30] manchicken_: will you sound work? who knows. is fdisk on the CD? I doubt it. [02:30] manchicken_: support channels tend to be better at answering this type of questions, though. [02:31] mhb: It isn't on there. === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4404f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee notes that kdesudo is seriously cool. [02:57] Hobbsee: in what way? [02:57] mhb: it "just works" [02:59] Hobbsee: kdesu is really "su-optimized", that's what causes trouble [03:00] true that [03:00] where's Tonio these days? :o) [03:01] he's got a dodgy connection, and is really busy with the french government [03:01] i'm hoping he comes back soonish, as i want the patch that he's produced binaries for, to test it. [03:08] Hobbsee: are you planning to make that k-r-e package? [03:09] mhb: was planning on it. i've already got a package that i made a couple of days ago === Hobbsee was sans internet for most of the last 24 hours, though [03:10] Hobbsee: there were talks about it for feisty, too, but nobody stepped up and implemented it === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] speak of the devil! [03:10] hiya Tonio_! [03:10] mhb: indeed. [03:10] hey [03:10] I should get my internet connection back home this week...... [03:11] 7 weeks without internet..... nightmare [03:11] Tonio_: do you have the patch that youv'e used for 3.5.6 debs? the one about not properly shutting down? [03:11] Tonio_: i want to test it on 3.5.7 packages, as i'm getting it too [03:12] Hobbsee: yep === Hobbsee waves magic arms, and hopes it appears :) [03:13] Hobbsee: the patch is in gutsy, but doesn't work, it is bash code, not dash code... [03:13] I'm fixing this today [03:13] Hobbsee: here is the 3.5.6 patch [03:13] ah right, so you'll do it today, and i wont keep having to kill my laptop? [03:14] ahhh. [03:14] Hobbsee: do you use gutsy ? [03:14] Tonio_: of course [03:15] Hobbsee: great you'll get the patches now then :) [03:15] just wait a bit === Hobbsee waits. === Hobbsee waits impatiently. [03:15] you're waiting me? [03:15] don't worry, I'm right here [03:16] heh [03:16] shuuush === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DFF2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:47] mhb: ping ? [03:52] Tonio_: I'm here [03:52] Tonio_: what's up? [03:52] mhb: just checked the kdesudo work [03:52] mhb: you did a second branch ? [03:53] yes, RadiantFire and me are trying to create a better sudo backend for kdesu [03:54] we opened a branch of kdesu, hope you don't mind [03:56] no of course [03:56] so the idea is to take the kdesudo code and get it in kde directly ? [03:58] Tonio_: yes, more or less [03:59] mhb: good plan [03:59] mhb: do you expect to have something ready for gutsy or should we still focs on kdesudo ? [03:59] we (you and everyone else) should focus on kdesudo [04:01] mhb: okay [04:01] once (an if) we have the "sudo" backend working, we'll import all the changes from kdesudo [04:01] but it's hard to say, RadiantFire is the brain behind the backend really [04:01] mhb: okay and we'll try to get the changes synchronized in the 2 branches for an easy merging [04:02] mhb: sounds a very good plan [04:05] Tonio_: kdesudo trunk branch should concentrate on implementing the rest of the parameters kdesu uses [04:05] yep that's the only missing thing now === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === kwwii [n=kwwii@72.165.117.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] Tonio, mhb, i have a patch for kdesudo, adds -s, forget passwords. if you want it. [04:46] i also changed some single-char qstrings to qchars and QString::null to QString() for cleaner code and qt4 compability. [04:47] and.. i changed to use pointers instead of values as function arguments. [04:49] fdoving: suprise gifts always cheer me up :o) perhaps you might be interested in joining the kdesudo team, so you can commit it directly. [04:50] mhb: sure, can't promise anything about how much i can contribute, but i can always join. [04:50] mhb: http://frode.kde.no/misc/kdesudo_fdoving_01_forget_password.diff [04:52] may I ask what is this change for? -- + *p << "sudo -S -p passprompt -u " << runas << ' ' << cmd; [04:52] mhb: " " vs ' ' [04:52] mhb: qstring vs qchar. [04:52] yeah, noticed that. What for? [04:52] oh [04:54] fdoving: the patch seems ok, I need to read up on that qstring vs. qchar issue, though. [04:55] mhb: qchar is faster than qstring. as it's smaller. [04:56] mhb: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/krazy/reports/playground/sysadmin/kamion/index.html - see check 5. [04:56] mhb: also check 14. [04:57] and check 16. [04:57] those are the ones i touched. === apacheLAGger [n=me@N779P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:59] fdoving: thanks for the links [05:02] mhb: will you apply this, or should i wait for tonio to approve me? [05:04] fdoving: I guess we should wait, so we can see in bzr who did the cleanup [05:04] ok :) [05:04] fdoving: speaking of names - the only line I could be against is the copyright line. [05:05] ok? [05:05] I add those to anything i touch. === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [05:06] fdoving: that might not be a good practice - imagine all of the people that contributed to kdelibs or such === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:06] fdoving: I am sure we can get your name in if you want, I'm just not sure if the code itself is a good place for it [05:07] mhb: ok, an example from khtml: http://rafb.net/p/zvsd2m24.html [05:07] which is inside kdelibs. [05:09] fdoving: that's the problem with copyrights, once they're in, you can hardly get them out [05:09] what's the problem with it again? [05:10] fdoving: what is the status of the unmountwrapper in gutsy ? [05:11] Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5331 [05:11] Tonio_: "Thanks. Uploaded" - Lure [05:12] fdoving: okay now we have to write the main inclusion thing [05:12] fdoving: I'll do that tomorrow with the help of Riddell [05:12] Tonio_: can't see that it is in though. [05:12] fdoving: ah ? [05:12] fdoving: pending in the NEW queue ? [05:12] might be. [05:13] June 08 13:09 - is when he said "Uploaded" [05:13] does it take that long? === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F189C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:14] it can do [05:15] can take longer than that... [05:16] now if only sysadmin would give me my archive account [05:16] fdoving: http://producingoss.com/en/managing-volunteers.html#territoriality [05:17] fdoving: a good read on the topic, at least IMHO. [05:17] mhb: where on earth did you fidn taht link? [05:18] Hobbsee: Google sent me that book as a "suprise" for participating in SoC, and I know you can read it online, too. [05:18] mhb: ahhh. managing volunteers is the book, or it somewhere else? [05:18] Hobbsee: Producing Open-Source Software [05:19] gotcha [05:19] oh right, i see === Hobbsee bookmarks. [05:20] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org.cn/documentation.php --< kubuntu-cn website is coming :) [05:20] Riddell: what is the process for a MIR when it is a kubuntu developement, means application mostly untested ? [05:20] Riddell: is there a complete review of the code ? [05:21] mhb: fine. [05:21] Tonio_: sure, same as anything [05:21] freeflying: ooh? [05:22] Tonio_: what is it? [05:22] Riddell: branch your source and translate it into Chinese :) [05:23] Riddell: the unmountwrapper application by fdoving [05:23] Tonio_: does it need to be a separate package? [05:24] Riddell: accourding to fdoving yes === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] fdoving: what is the reason ? I can't recall it :) [05:24] s/recall/remember [05:24] it doesn't -need- to be, but i would prefer it to be. [05:25] it could probably be added as a patch to kdebase. but i'm not up for that task. === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4404f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kaeron [n=Kaeron@AToulouse-254-1-101-215.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=ubuntu@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] hi Hobbsee [05:45] hiya DaSkreech! === Kaeron [n=Kaeron@AToulouse-254-1-101-215.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [05:49] Was the adept Server freeze bugged? [05:49] i dunno :) [05:50] i don tuse adept most of hte time [05:50] Tonio_: Would it be possible to make the kwallet password dialog appear on all virtual desktops? [05:50] Tonio_: I currently have the problem that some apps are blocked while that dialog is active, with it being hidden on some other desktop. [05:51] hunger: dunno, hard to guess.... [05:51] hunger: I'll have a look [05:51] Tonio_: It seems to be enough to set window specific settings for it... at least that seems to work-for-me(TM). [05:52] hunger: okay thanks for the tip [05:52] should be done via kds then [05:52] kds? [05:52] hunger: kubuntu default settings [05:52] Oh, of course. [05:53] hunger: I'll be there on thursday and friday, I'll do that then [05:53] Tonio_: Great! You rock! [05:53] Tonio_: Only thought about asking you since there are some "(Default)" entries already in the the window specific settings dialog. [05:54] sure === DaSkreech waves at hunger [05:57] manchicken__: ping [05:58] Hi DaSkreech [05:58] how goes it? [05:58] Good, good. === DaSkreech hasn't seen a decibel newsletter in a bit :) [05:58] DaSkreech: I am busy with other projects. [05:59] ok cool :) [05:59] DaSkreech: But in fact we will have a meeting about Decibel in a couple of min. I should get some resources after that:-) === hunger hops. [06:00] where would that be? [06:00] DaSkreech: Internal to my company. [06:01] DaSkreech: Wuddup? [06:02] manchicken: do you monitor adept bugs? [06:03] Sometimes. [06:03] I've been a bad kubuntuer and not been hacking much lately. [06:03] COMPLETELY underestimated how much time pregnant wives require. [06:03] manchicken: heh. she deserves your attention [06:04] Absolutely. [06:04] I just underestimated that by quite a bit. [06:04] I thought I'd still be able to have my hacking Saturdays. [06:04] No such luck. [06:05] Especially with all of the doctors visits. [06:05] DaSkreech: Did you have a particular bug in mind? [06:05] manchicken: and foot rubs [06:06] Yes. Foot rubs are certainly in the increase. [06:06] manchicken: one where adept freezes when you select a server [06:06] Well, and I've been putting in more hours at work to keep my boss from getting upset when I have to take off for appointment. [06:06] appointments* [06:06] DaSkreech: Does it ever come back? [06:07] Select a server? [06:07] Just get them to pay you for hacking on Kubuntu [06:07] Could you give me a more specific use case? [06:07] DaSkreech: We can't all have Tonio_'s job ;) [06:07] manchicken: Adept -> manager repos -> select a server -> find fastest server -> feeze === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] Ooh. [06:07] DaSkreech: i belive that is software-properties, isn't it? [06:07] That'd be the python fella that Riddell put together IIRC. [06:08] That's definitely software-properties. [06:08] manchicken: note that at the moment I couldn't really go hacking at home for kubuntu [06:08] that'll change starting this week, as the parliament project ended :) [06:09] Tonio_: You're still a lucky bastage for having an employer who will support your free software endeavors :) [06:09] Tonio_: all of french govt, or just the parliament bit? [06:10] manchicken: sure I am :) [06:10] Hobbsee: only the parliament for the moment, which is not that bad [06:10] ah right [06:14] manchicken: hi, hope you are well even without a floss-friendly employer :o) [06:15] software-properties-kde === DaSkreech has serious issues with the IP stack in feisty [06:15] mhb: It's not that they're not friendly, it's that they want me to only work on their stuff during work hour :) [06:17] manchicken: http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7845/addavisky1.png an idea of how the adept_installer should look like. Just a mockup, I fear I'll never find the time to implement this one. [06:17] that pretty well is what it looks like [06:17] but it needs package description and the like [06:18] rewriting adept installer in python would be a useful experiment [06:18] Riddell: yes, the widget is the same [06:18] Riddell: the thing is, all the unnecessary stuff has been removed [06:18] Riddell: the menu bar, the bottom bar, categories... [06:19] package description isn't unnecessary [06:19] categories are useful for browsing [06:19] Riddell: what do you need browsing for? [06:19] mhb: I think adept_installer looks okay. [06:19] mhb: people don't always know what they're after, they should have a way to be able to browse to see what's available without having to look at the list of all packages [06:20] It needs some more info readily available (kubuntu icon thingy, etc)... [06:20] And some people don't know that it's called a "web browser" [06:20] They may think that Firefox IS "the internet" [06:20] I see so many people who open IE and say they're opening the internet. [06:20] mhb: browsing rocks [06:21] manchicken: yes, and those people have the menu for that [06:21] I like simplification, but I think that may be over-simplification. [06:21] mhb: Not if they're trying to install it. [06:21] manchicken: they have "the internet" built in [06:21] mhb: the menu ? [06:22] mhb: I think you're over-simplifying the issue. [06:22] mhb: People sometimes only have a vague idea of what they're trying to install. [06:22] mhb: I want to install an app to make mashups [06:22] I can't tell you how many times I've went in to see what available games are there. [06:22] manchicken: so you write "games". [06:22] manchicken: you get the list. [06:23] mhb: That is a much tougher search [06:23] manchicken: tags in adept rocks :) [06:23] DaSkreech: I like them, too. === DaSkreech hugs them and squeezes them and calls them George [06:24] Riddell: perhaps, yes. Still, the menu bar and the bottom bar is totally not necessary. [06:25] mhb: Managing repositories is accessed via menubar... [06:25] manchicken: no it isn't [06:26] it isn't, but I hope it will be for gutsy [06:26] Nightrose: how did you get on with any merging? [06:26] mhb: how do you install? [06:26] Ooh, it's not. That's ugly. [06:27] The settings menu is utterly useless. [06:27] Riddell: did a packaging with apachelogger on skype but unfortunatly did not have time for more so far [06:27] And the review changes button is hidden in the View menu. [06:28] Nightrose: what happened to that package? [06:29] I'll probably write a mini-article about my thoughts [06:29] blog blog! [06:29] Riddell: was kblogger - apachelogger had packaged and uploaded it before - that was just to show me how to do it === Hobbsee waves to Nightrose === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:30] hey Hobbsee === Nightrose is still looking for something small to try on her own [06:31] i'm still looking for something to give out to new contributors, too. [06:32] who's doing the restricted manager, and how far did they get? [06:32] xerosis: poke. [06:32] jea the big stuff is a little intimidating at first... ;-) [06:32] Hobbsee: hi === Hobbsee wonders if mhb actually has his code for the grub stuff published anywhere. [06:33] xerosis: you said you were interested in QT/KDE, right? [06:33] Hobbsee: i am indeed [06:33] xerosis: have you thought about coding a graphical grub boot config modifier? ie, a gui to /boot/grub/menu.lst? [06:33] Hobbsee: sounds a good project... [06:33] xerosis: i believe it's on the wishlist, and i beleive mhb had some form of code. [06:33] Hobbsee: python would be better non? [06:34] i dont *think* it ever go too far off the ground. [06:34] xerosis: there are pyqt bindings. [06:34] xerosis: which most of our stuff is written in, iirc. === Hobbsee doesnt actually code, per se. [06:34] except for packaging-related bits. [06:34] Hobbsee: of course I do [06:35] well my python is worse than my C++ but i'd like to learn python so I could give it a go in python and use C++ if i can't [06:35] mhb: have you any plans to work on it, or are you happy to hand over and/or collaborate with xerosis on it? [06:35] Hobbsee: I'll be happy to collaborate [06:35] er, nasty, that's 3 questions in one sentence. [06:35] apachelogger: geek :) [06:35] grub-config is in KDE SVN along with the rest of guidance [06:36] mhb: what is is written in? [06:36] *it [06:36] python, if it's guidance. [06:36] xerosis: python [06:36] DaSkreech: huh? [06:36] mhb: okay [06:36] xerosis: actually, it would be AWESOME if you wanted to help with it [06:36] mhb: yay, thankyou :) [06:37] mhb: well, like i said my python isn't all that hot, but i'm sure i can pick it up quickly :) [06:37] apachelogger: 42 patents [06:37] mhb: especially as there's already some code [06:37] xerosis: with me you get nonstandard services [06:37] mhb: oo er [06:37] DaSkreech: well, it just popped into my mind when I read an article on pro-linux.de :D [06:37] xerosis: I'm willing to help you anytime [06:37] xerosis: and with anything [06:38] apachelogger: hence me labeling you a geek :-) [06:38] cause and effect [06:40] is ok for me === apachelogger always wanted to be a geek :D [06:40] huh... people use to consider me as nerd... anyway ;-) [06:40] Anybody know why my number pad is controlling my mouse? [06:41] manchicken: you told it to [06:41] in the mouse kcm [06:42] Nightrose: you can browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging [06:42] Nightrose: I see an entry for klogshow there, although apachelogger says he's going to work on it (just steal it while he's not looking if you want) [06:42] ah thx Riddell - will have a look [06:43] hehe will try [06:43] ^_^ [06:43] Nightrose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ [06:43] have a look at the needs packaging [06:43] just grabbed some kde apps [06:43] Riddell: any thoughts on getting Nightrose to fix okular? [06:43] Riddell: as in, any good reason not to touch it? [06:44] apachelogger: I would argue that I didn't, but as long as it stops, I don't care :) [06:44] k apachelogger [06:44] Hobbsee: sure, she's welcome to it [06:44] manchicken: kcmshell mouse -> tab navigation [06:44] but okular probably needs a kdelibs that matches whenever the last okular release was [06:44] apachelogger: The "Move pointer with keyboard" option is not checked. [06:44] Riddell: all it's showing is... [06:44] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [06:44] okular: Depends: libgs-esp8 but it is not installable [06:44] Depends: libpoppler1-qt4 but it is not installable [06:44] E: Broken packages [06:45] Riddell: so unless it fails to build as well... [06:45] manchicken: so it's something low level [06:45] meaning lower level than kde [06:45] or maybe higher?! [06:45] Figured that out :) === apachelogger just knows about kde settings :P [06:45] I'll have a look at one of apachelogger packages [06:45] <-- kde geek, as DaSkreech would say [06:45] Riddell: oh yes, i see what you mean. === Hobbsee might test-fix that one first. [06:46] Don't know what it would be. [06:46] Nightrose: klogshow might be a good idea [06:46] k [06:46] didn't look too complicate at first [06:46] hehe [06:46] she can pick any and all :P [06:47] apachelogger: that's a geeK [06:47] ah [06:47]