[12:15] <mhb> xerosis: yes, dual-booting with rEFIt
[12:16] <xerosis> mhb: what do use it for?
[12:17] <mhb> xerosis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook very useful
[12:17] <xerosis> mhb: i meant the mac partition
[12:18] <mhb> xerosis: for OS X :o) I am having most of the media stuff on the local network
[12:18] <xerosis> mhb: ah ok, see i've used my girlfriend mac but i couldn't see anywhere that i'd prefer it over kubuntu, so wasn't sure whether to keep it on
[12:20] <mhb> xerosis: I like to compare OSes, so I did not erase it
[12:20] <xerosis> mhb: how much does a small install take up?
[12:22] <mhb> xerosis: of Kubuntu? around 2 gigs, I never count it.
[12:22] <xerosis> mhb: sorry, meant mac os
[12:23] <mhb> xerosis: no idea. I have my macbook for a week, and the macbook had OS X preinstalled.
[12:23] <xerosis> mhb: ah ok, fair enough
[12:49] <nixternal> hey, anyone noticed that if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the system settings monitor section is broke
[01:24] <RadiantFire> why are you deleting xorg.conf?
[01:26] <jriachi> hello
[01:26] <RadiantFire> hello
[01:28] <Tm_T> RadiantFire: why not?
[01:28] <RadiantFire> just for the heck of it seems odd
[01:28] <Tm_T> it doesn't
[01:29] <RadiantFire> k
[01:29] <Tm_T> especially channels like this one it's normal to remove something that system should work without
[01:29] <Tm_T> if nothing else, just to see how it affects
[01:47] <RadiantFire> I guess that means monitor sections reads xorg.conf
[01:48] <Tm_T> prolly
[01:48] <Tm_T> although shouldn't rely on that
[01:48] <Tm_T> when xorg doesn't
[01:51] <RadiantFire> I guess not
[02:43] <jjesse> evening
[02:44] <Tm_T> well hello hello (:
[02:44] <jjesse> hello Tm_T
[02:46] <mhb> early morning here
[02:46] <Tm_T> very early
[02:46] <Tm_T> 0346
[02:47] <jjesse> well then good morning :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> heh
[06:36] <nixternal> where is the kde-systemsettings svn source located?
[06:44] <nixternal> nm, found it
[10:06] <_StefanS_> mornings
[11:20] <Arby> does adept support apt version pinning?
[11:32] <Riddell> no
[11:32] <Riddell> Arby: manchicken|away had started on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyAdeptVersionLocking, but there's no implementation details
[11:35] <Arby> Riddell: thanks, that would explain bug 113846 then.
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113846 in adept "Adept notifier with pinning" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113846
[11:44] <Arby> Riddell: I had a bit of a triaging session on adept bugs yesterday but there are some I need advice on
[11:44] <Arby> who is best to talk to, you or manchicken|away
[11:45] <Arby> (not that I can do anything until I get home from work)
[11:45] <Riddell> either of us
[11:45] <Arby> OK I'll poke one of you this evening
[11:46] <Arby> it's mostly tracebacks that I can't interpret
[11:46] <Arby> there's also a lot that are wihlists but I'm awaiting ubuntu-qa approval to deal with those
[11:50] <Riddell> crashes can mostly go upstream, they shouldn't be our fault
[11:51] <Arby> OK I'll look into it later.
[11:51] <Arby> the adept bug count should come down quite rapidly in the next week or so :)
[01:42] <manchicken_> Someone is looking at implementing version locking?
[01:45] <Arby> manchicken_: no someone reported a bug that it doesn't work
[01:46] <Arby> and I was asking why
[01:46] <Arby> because it hasn't been implemented
[01:49] <manchicken_> Ah.  Yup.  that's a good reason for it to not work :)
[01:49] <manchicken_> Riddell: Have you been committing your latest changes to svn?
[01:49] <manchicken_> Systemsettings looks pretty good from svn right now.
[01:50] <Riddell> manchicken_: yes
[01:50] <manchicken_> Search functionality doesn't work (I'll give a sarcastic "boo-hoo" to that one), but overall things seem to be working and stable.
[01:52] <Riddell> hmm, you sure you're on systemsettings_kde4 there?
[01:52] <manchicken_> Not entirely :)
[01:52] <manchicken_> But it does work.
[01:52] <Riddell> it should look like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-systemsettings.png
[01:52] <manchicken_> Rather well, too.
[01:52] <manchicken_> It's not pretty yet.
[01:52] <manchicken_> Yup.
[01:52] <manchicken_> That's the fella.
[01:53] <manchicken_> The icons thing is just a packaging issue I think, and the ugly rows are because the icon groups aren't at the page level anymore.
[01:53] <Riddell> applying changes doesn't work, you can't go back once you load a module
[01:54] <Riddell> clearly you are using a definition of "stable" that is different from that to which I have been used :)
[01:55] <manchicken_> Didn't say stable ;)
[01:55] <manchicken_> Said looks pretty good :)
[01:55] <manchicken_> A very relative term.
[01:55] <Riddell> "working and stable" you did you did!
[01:55] <manchicken_> Did I?
[01:55] <Riddell> look, it's up there, on that line about boo hoos
[01:55] <manchicken_> Ah.
[01:55] <manchicken_> You've got me.
[01:56] <manchicken_> I s/stable/not crashing/ my previous statement.
[01:57] <manchicken_> Kernel updates are scary.
[01:57] <manchicken_> Will my sound work or not work after this update?
[02:15] <manchicken_> Is fdisk on the live CD?
[02:15] <manchicken_> in a windows executable form?
[02:30] <mhb> manchicken_: will you sound work? who knows. is fdisk on the CD? I doubt it.
[02:30] <mhb> manchicken_: support channels tend to be better at answering this type of questions, though.
[02:31] <manchicken_> mhb: It isn't on there.
[02:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: in what way?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: it "just works"
[02:59] <mhb> Hobbsee: kdesu is really "su-optimized", that's what causes trouble
[03:00] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:00] <mhb> where's Tonio these days? :o)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> he's got a dodgy connection, and is really busy with the french government
[03:01] <Hobbsee> i'm hoping he comes back soonish, as i want the patch that he's produced binaries for, to test it.
[03:08] <mhb> Hobbsee: are you planning to make that k-r-e package?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> mhb: was planning on it.  i've already got a package that i made a couple of days ago
[03:10] <mhb> Hobbsee: there were talks about it for feisty, too, but nobody stepped up and implemented it
[03:10] <Hobbsee> speak of the devil!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed.
[03:10] <Tonio_> hey
[03:10] <Tonio_> I should get my internet connection back home this week......
[03:11] <Tonio_> 7 weeks without internet..... nightmare
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you have the patch that youv'e used for 3.5.6 debs?  the one about not properly shutting down?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i want to test it on 3.5.7 packages, as i'm getting it too
[03:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the patch is in gutsy, but doesn't work, it is bash code, not dash code...
[03:13] <Tonio_> I'm fixing this today
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: here is the 3.5.6 patch
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah right, so you'll do it today, and i wont keep having to kill my laptop?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh.
[03:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you use gutsy ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of course
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: great you'll get the patches now then :)
[03:15] <Tonio_> just wait a bit
[03:15] <Tm_T> you're waiting me?
[03:15] <Tm_T> don't worry, I'm right here
[03:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:16] <Tm_T> shuuush
[03:47] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ?
[03:52] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm here
[03:52] <mhb> Tonio_: what's up?
[03:52] <Tonio_> mhb: just checked the kdesudo work
[03:52] <Tonio_> mhb: you did a second branch ?
[03:53] <mhb> yes, RadiantFire and me are trying to create a better sudo backend for kdesu
[03:54] <mhb> we opened a branch of kdesu, hope you don't mind
[03:56] <Tonio_> no of course
[03:56] <Tonio_> so the idea is to take the kdesudo code and get it in kde directly ?
[03:58] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, more or less
[03:59] <Tonio_> mhb:  good plan
[03:59] <Tonio_> mhb: do you expect to have something ready for gutsy or should we still focs on kdesudo ?
[03:59] <mhb> we (you and everyone else) should focus on kdesudo
[04:01] <Tonio_> mhb: okay
[04:01] <mhb> once (an if) we have the "sudo" backend working, we'll import all the changes from kdesudo
[04:01] <mhb> but it's hard to say, RadiantFire is the brain behind the backend really
[04:01] <Tonio_> mhb: okay and we'll try to get the changes synchronized in the 2 branches for an easy merging
[04:02] <Tonio_> mhb: sounds a very good plan
[04:05] <mhb> Tonio_: kdesudo trunk branch should concentrate on implementing the rest of the parameters kdesu uses
[04:05] <Tonio_> yep that's the only missing thing now
[04:45] <fdoving> Tonio, mhb, i have a patch for kdesudo, adds -s, forget passwords. if you want it.
[04:46] <fdoving> i also changed some single-char qstrings to qchars and QString::null to QString() for cleaner code and qt4 compability.
[04:47] <fdoving> and.. i changed to use pointers instead of values as function arguments.
[04:49] <mhb> fdoving: suprise gifts always cheer me up :o) perhaps you might be interested in joining the kdesudo team, so you can commit it directly.
[04:50] <fdoving> mhb: sure, can't promise anything about how much i can contribute, but i can always join.
[04:50] <fdoving> mhb: http://frode.kde.no/misc/kdesudo_fdoving_01_forget_password.diff
[04:52] <mhb> may I ask what is this change for? -- +    *p << "sudo -S -p passprompt -u " << runas << ' ' <<  cmd;
[04:52] <fdoving> mhb: " " vs ' '
[04:52] <fdoving> mhb: qstring vs qchar.
[04:52] <mhb> yeah, noticed that. What for?
[04:52] <mhb> oh
[04:54] <mhb> fdoving: the patch seems ok, I need to read up on that qstring vs. qchar issue, though.
[04:55] <fdoving> mhb: qchar is faster than qstring. as it's smaller.
[04:56] <fdoving> mhb: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/krazy/reports/playground/sysadmin/kamion/index.html - see check 5.
[04:56] <fdoving> mhb: also check 14.
[04:57] <fdoving> and check 16.
[04:57] <fdoving> those are the ones i touched.
[04:59] <mhb> fdoving: thanks for the links
[05:02] <fdoving> mhb: will you apply this, or should i wait for tonio to approve me?
[05:04] <mhb> fdoving: I guess we should wait, so we can see in bzr who did the cleanup
[05:04] <fdoving> ok :)
[05:04] <mhb> fdoving: speaking of names - the only line I could be against is the copyright line.
[05:05] <fdoving> ok?
[05:05] <fdoving> I add those to anything i touch.
[05:06] <mhb> fdoving: that might not be a good practice - imagine all of the people that contributed to kdelibs or such
[05:06] <mhb> fdoving: I am sure we can get your name in if you want, I'm just not sure if the code itself is a good place for it
[05:07] <fdoving> mhb: ok, an example from khtml: http://rafb.net/p/zvsd2m24.html
[05:07] <fdoving> which is inside kdelibs.
[05:09] <mhb> fdoving: that's the problem with copyrights, once they're in, you can hardly get them out
[05:09] <fdoving> what's the problem with it again?
[05:10] <Tonio_> fdoving: what is the status of the unmountwrapper in gutsy ?
[05:11] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5331
[05:11] <fdoving> Tonio_: "Thanks. Uploaded" - Lure
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: okay now we have to write the main inclusion thing
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll do that tomorrow with the help of Riddell
[05:12] <fdoving> Tonio_: can't see that it is in though.
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: ah ?
[05:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: pending in the NEW queue ?
[05:12] <fdoving> might be.
[05:13] <fdoving> June 08 13:09  - is when he said "Uploaded"
[05:13] <fdoving> does it take that long?
[05:14] <Riddell> it can do
[05:15] <Hobbsee> can take longer than that...
[05:16] <Riddell> now if only sysadmin would give me my archive account
[05:16] <mhb> fdoving: http://producingoss.com/en/managing-volunteers.html#territoriality
[05:17] <mhb> fdoving: a good read on the topic, at least IMHO.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mhb: where on earth did you fidn taht link?
[05:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: Google sent me that book as a "suprise" for participating in SoC, and I know you can read it online, too.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahhh.  managing volunteers is the book, or it somewhere else?
[05:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: Producing Open-Source Software
[05:19] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[05:19] <Hobbsee> oh right, i see
[05:20] <freeflying> Riddell:  http://www.kubuntu.org.cn/documentation.php --< kubuntu-cn website is coming :)
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the process for a MIR when it is a kubuntu developement, means application mostly untested ?
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a complete review of the code ?
[05:21] <fdoving> mhb: fine.
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, same as anything
[05:21] <Riddell> freeflying: ooh?
[05:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: what is it?
[05:22] <freeflying> Riddell: branch your source and translate it into Chinese  :)
[05:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: the unmountwrapper application by fdoving
[05:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it need to be a separate package?
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: accourding to fdoving yes
[05:24] <Tonio_> fdoving: what is the reason ? I can't recall it :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> s/recall/remember
[05:24] <fdoving> it doesn't -need- to be, but i would prefer it to be.
[05:25] <fdoving> it could probably be added as a patch to kdebase. but i'm not up for that task.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech!
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Was the adept Server freeze bugged?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i dunno :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i don tuse adept most of hte time
[05:50] <hunger> Tonio_: Would it be possible to make the kwallet password dialog appear on all virtual desktops?
[05:50] <hunger> Tonio_: I currently have the problem that some apps are blocked while that dialog is active, with it being hidden on some other desktop.
[05:51] <Tonio_> hunger: dunno, hard to guess....
[05:51] <Tonio_> hunger: I'll have a look
[05:51] <hunger> Tonio_: It seems to be enough to set window specific settings for it... at least that seems to work-for-me(TM).
[05:52] <Tonio_> hunger: okay thanks for the tip
[05:52] <Tonio_> should be done via kds then
[05:52] <hunger> kds?
[05:52] <Tonio_> hunger: kubuntu default settings
[05:52] <hunger> Oh, of course.
[05:53] <Tonio_> hunger: I'll be there on thursday and friday, I'll do that then
[05:53] <hunger> Tonio_: Great! You rock!
[05:53] <hunger> Tonio_: Only thought about asking you since there are some "(Default)" entries already in the the window specific settings dialog.
[05:54] <Tonio_> sure
[05:57] <DaSkreech> manchicken__: ping
[05:58] <hunger> Hi DaSkreech
[05:58] <DaSkreech> how goes it?
[05:58] <hunger> Good, good.
[05:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: I am busy with other projects.
[05:59] <DaSkreech> ok cool :)
[05:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: But in fact we will have a meeting about Decibel in a couple of min. I should get some resources after that:-)
[06:00] <DaSkreech> where would that be?
[06:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: Internal to my company.
[06:01] <manchicken__> DaSkreech: Wuddup?
[06:02] <DaSkreech> manchicken: do you monitor adept bugs?
[06:03] <manchicken> Sometimes.
[06:03] <manchicken> I've been a bad kubuntuer and not been hacking much lately.
[06:03] <manchicken> COMPLETELY underestimated how much time pregnant wives require.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: heh.  she deserves your attention
[06:04] <manchicken> Absolutely.
[06:04] <manchicken> I just underestimated that by quite a bit.
[06:04] <manchicken> I thought I'd still be able to have my hacking Saturdays.
[06:04] <manchicken> No such luck.
[06:05] <manchicken> Especially with all of the doctors visits.
[06:05] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Did you have a particular bug in mind?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> manchicken: and foot rubs
[06:06] <manchicken> Yes.  Foot rubs are certainly in the increase.
[06:06] <DaSkreech> manchicken: one where adept freezes when you select a server
[06:06] <manchicken> Well, and I've been putting in more hours at work to keep my boss from getting upset when I have to take off for appointment.
[06:06] <manchicken> appointments*
[06:06] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Does it ever come back?
[06:07] <manchicken> Select a server?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Just get them to pay you for hacking on Kubuntu
[06:07] <manchicken> Could you give me a more specific use case?
[06:07] <manchicken> DaSkreech: We can't all have Tonio_'s job ;)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Adept -> manager repos -> select a server -> find fastest server -> feeze
[06:07] <manchicken> Ooh.
[06:07] <fdoving> DaSkreech: i belive that is software-properties, isn't it?
[06:07] <manchicken> That'd be the python fella that Riddell put together IIRC.
[06:08] <manchicken> That's definitely software-properties.
[06:08] <Tonio_> manchicken: note that at the moment I couldn't really go hacking at home for kubuntu
[06:08] <Tonio_> that'll change starting this week, as the parliament project ended :)
[06:09] <manchicken> Tonio_: You're still a lucky bastage for having an employer who will support your free software endeavors :)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: all of french govt, or just the parliament bit?
[06:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: sure I am :)
[06:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: only the parliament for the moment, which is not that bad
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:14] <mhb> manchicken: hi, hope you are well even without a floss-friendly employer :o)
[06:15] <Riddell> software-properties-kde
[06:15] <manchicken> mhb: It's not that they're not friendly, it's that they want me to only work on their stuff during work hour :)
[06:17] <mhb> manchicken: http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7845/addavisky1.png an idea of how the adept_installer  should look like. Just a mockup, I fear I'll never find the time to implement this one.
[06:17] <Riddell> that pretty well is what it looks like
[06:17] <Riddell> but it needs package description and the like
[06:18] <Riddell> rewriting adept installer in python would be a useful experiment
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: yes, the widget is the same
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: the thing is, all the unnecessary stuff has been removed
[06:18] <mhb> Riddell: the menu bar, the bottom bar, categories...
[06:19] <Riddell> package description isn't unnecessary
[06:19] <Riddell> categories are useful for browsing
[06:19] <mhb> Riddell: what do you need browsing for?
[06:19] <manchicken> mhb: I think adept_installer looks okay.
[06:19] <Riddell> mhb: people don't always know what they're after, they should have a way to be able to browse to see what's available without having to look at the list of all packages
[06:20] <manchicken> It needs some more info readily available (kubuntu icon thingy, etc)...
[06:20] <manchicken> And some people don't know that it's called a "web browser"
[06:20] <manchicken> They may think that Firefox IS "the internet"
[06:20] <manchicken> I see so many people who open IE and say they're opening the internet.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> mhb: browsing rocks
[06:21] <mhb> manchicken: yes, and those people have the menu for that
[06:21] <manchicken> I like simplification, but I think that may be over-simplification.
[06:21] <manchicken> mhb: Not if they're trying to install it.
[06:21] <mhb> manchicken: they have "the internet" built in
[06:21] <DaSkreech> mhb: the menu ?
[06:22] <manchicken> mhb: I think you're over-simplifying the issue.
[06:22] <manchicken> mhb: People sometimes only have a vague idea of what they're trying to install.
[06:22] <DaSkreech> mhb: I want to install an app to make mashups
[06:22] <manchicken> I can't tell you how many times I've went in to see what available games are there.
[06:22] <mhb> manchicken: so you write "games".
[06:22] <mhb> manchicken: you get the list.
[06:23] <manchicken> mhb: That is a much tougher search
[06:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: tags in adept rocks :)
[06:23] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I like them, too.
[06:24] <mhb> Riddell: perhaps, yes. Still, the menu bar and the bottom bar is totally not necessary.
[06:25] <manchicken> mhb: Managing repositories is accessed via menubar...
[06:25] <DaSkreech> manchicken: no it isn't
[06:26] <Riddell> it isn't, but I hope it will be for gutsy
[06:26] <Riddell> Nightrose: how did you get on with any merging?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> mhb: how do you install?
[06:26] <manchicken> Ooh, it's not.  That's ugly.
[06:27] <manchicken> The settings menu is utterly useless.
[06:27] <Nightrose> Riddell: did a packaging with apachelogger on skype but unfortunatly did not have time for more so far
[06:27] <manchicken> And the review changes button is hidden in the View menu.
[06:28] <Riddell> Nightrose: what happened to that package?
[06:29] <mhb> I'll probably write a mini-article about my thoughts
[06:29] <Riddell> blog blog!
[06:29] <Nightrose> Riddell: was kblogger - apachelogger had packaged and uploaded it before - that was just to show me how to do it
[06:30] <Nightrose> hey Hobbsee
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i'm still looking for something to give out to new contributors, too.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> who's doing the restricted manager, and how far did they get?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> xerosis: poke.
[06:32] <Nightrose> jea the big stuff is a little intimidating at first... ;-)
[06:32] <xerosis> Hobbsee: hi
[06:33] <Hobbsee> xerosis: you said you were interested in QT/KDE, right?
[06:33] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i am indeed
[06:33] <Hobbsee> xerosis: have you thought about coding a graphical grub boot config modifier?  ie, a gui to /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[06:33] <xerosis> Hobbsee: sounds a good project...
[06:33] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i believe it's on the wishlist, and i beleive mhb had some form of code.
[06:33] <xerosis> Hobbsee: python would be better non?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> i dont *think* it ever go too far off the ground.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> xerosis: there are pyqt bindings.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> xerosis: which most of our stuff is written in, iirc.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> except for packaging-related bits.
[06:34] <mhb> Hobbsee: of course I do
[06:35] <xerosis> well my python is worse than my C++ but i'd like to learn python so I could give it a go in python and use C++ if i can't
[06:35] <Hobbsee> mhb: have you any plans to work on it, or are you happy to hand over and/or collaborate with xerosis on it?
[06:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll be happy to collaborate
[06:35] <Hobbsee> er, nasty, that's 3 questions in one sentence.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: geek :)
[06:35] <Riddell> grub-config is in KDE SVN along with the rest of guidance
[06:36] <xerosis> mhb: what is is written in?
[06:36] <xerosis> *it
[06:36] <Hobbsee> python, if it's guidance.
[06:36] <mhb> xerosis: python
[06:36] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: huh?
[06:36] <xerosis> mhb: okay
[06:36] <mhb> xerosis: actually, it would be AWESOME if you wanted to help with it
[06:36] <Hobbsee> mhb: yay, thankyou :)
[06:37] <xerosis> mhb: well, like i said my python isn't all that hot, but i'm sure i can pick it up quickly :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: 42 patents
[06:37] <xerosis> mhb: especially as there's already some code
[06:37] <mhb> xerosis: with me you get nonstandard services
[06:37] <xerosis> mhb: oo er
[06:37] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: well, it just popped into my mind when I read an article on pro-linux.de :D
[06:37] <mhb> xerosis: I'm willing to help you anytime
[06:37] <mhb> xerosis: and with anything
[06:38] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: hence me labeling you a geek :-)
[06:38] <DaSkreech> cause and effect
[06:40] <apachelogger> is ok for me
[06:40] <apachelogger> huh... people use to consider me as nerd... anyway ;-)
[06:40] <manchicken> Anybody know why my number pad is controlling my mouse?
[06:41] <apachelogger> manchicken: you told it to
[06:41] <apachelogger> in the mouse kcm
[06:42] <Riddell> Nightrose: you can browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[06:42] <Riddell> Nightrose: I see an entry for klogshow there, although apachelogger says he's going to work on it (just steal it while he's not looking if you want)
[06:42] <Nightrose> ah thx Riddell - will have a look
[06:43] <Nightrose> hehe will try
[06:43] <apachelogger> ^_^
[06:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/
[06:43] <apachelogger> have a look at the needs packaging
[06:43] <apachelogger> just grabbed some kde apps
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any thoughts on getting Nightrose to fix okular?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: as in, any good reason not to touch it?
[06:44] <manchicken> apachelogger: I would argue that I didn't, but as long as it stops, I don't care :)
[06:44] <Nightrose> k apachelogger
[06:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure, she's welcome to it
[06:44] <apachelogger> manchicken: kcmshell mouse -> tab navigation
[06:44] <Riddell> but okular probably needs a kdelibs that matches whenever the last okular release was
[06:44] <manchicken> apachelogger: The "Move pointer with keyboard" option is not checked.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: all it's showing is...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:44] <Hobbsee>   okular: Depends: libgs-esp8 but it is not installable
[06:44] <Hobbsee>           Depends: libpoppler1-qt4 but it is not installable
[06:44] <Hobbsee> E: Broken packages
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so unless it fails to build as well...
[06:45] <apachelogger> manchicken: so it's something low level
[06:45] <apachelogger> meaning lower level than kde
[06:45] <apachelogger> or maybe higher?!
[06:45] <manchicken> Figured that out :)
[06:45] <Nightrose> I'll have a look at one of apachelogger packages
[06:45] <apachelogger> <-- kde geek, as DaSkreech would say
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yes, i see what you mean.
[06:46] <manchicken> Don't know what it would be.
[06:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: klogshow might be a good idea
[06:46] <Nightrose> k
[06:46] <apachelogger> didn't look too complicate at first
[06:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:46] <Hobbsee> she can pick any and all :P
[06:47] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: that's a geeK
[06:47] <apachelogger> ah
[06:47] <apachelogger> indeed
[06:47] <apachelogger> ;P
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ooh, cmake has a pretty build system
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it has colour!
[06:53] <Hobbsee> (ooh, shiny)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> and percentages.  way cool!
[07:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh fudge.  this fails.  perhaps upload the failed version, so you can merge off that?
[07:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's that?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've fixed a few build deps for okular, but you're right, it needs a newer kdelibs.  want me to just upload the broken one anyway, so that someone doesnt have to work out that bit of the transition, with the newer kdelibs?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> there's no net loss - it's still not installable.
[07:08] <Riddell> yeah, why not
[07:08] <Hobbsee> :D
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: feels weird, uploading a source package that i *know* is going to fail.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> nixternal: what is the rant about?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: his love of vista
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Or the DMCA
[07:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> so much for pretending not to be listening to their conversation...
[07:32] <DaSkreech> !w32
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs
[07:32] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:45] <nixternal> !nixternal
[07:45] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[07:45] <nixternal> muhahahahaha
[07:46] <nixternal> more like the "pointy-clicky XP user because school makes him use it, hater has arrived"
[07:46] <nixternal> yup
[07:46] <nixternal> although, KDE did fix previous Kicker issues with Beryl
[07:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I would send them to Beryl for 2 reasons, 1) it is Beryl's fault, and 2) KDE isn't going to fix any more composite bugs before KDE 4 since they aren't grave
[07:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm currently whining at racarr about it
[07:48] <nixternal> unless we are going to start patching KDE 3.5.x releases for Kubuntu
[07:48] <nixternal> even then, I don't think we have the manpower to handle such feats
[07:48] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i did that but got told to change it back to kicker :p
[07:49] <Hobbsee> this is a big cloud of SEP :P
[07:49] <nixternal> ya, but when Hobbsee says something, they listen! :)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:49] <xerosis> the bug was completely about beryl apart from the backtrace...
[07:49] <Hobbsee> true that
[07:49] <nixternal> actually, I had one person listen to me in a bug report, and he did exactly what I asked..for that I am grateful
[07:49] <Hobbsee> it's a bug in kicker that beryl exposes, that doesnt happen under kde
[07:49] <Hobbsee> er, kwin
[07:49] <Hobbsee> i've seen it before
[07:50] <nixternal> he wanted us to implement NSCD to speed of Konqui..which we aren't going to do ootb because of the conflicts with samba for one
[07:50] <xerosis> Hobbsee: btw, thanks for the tip on grub-config
[07:50] <nixternal> so I said, that isn't going to happen, we could possible get a "Disable KDE IPv6" gui at the most
[07:50] <Hobbsee> xerosis: no problem
[07:51] <nixternal> which I have started working on..learning python while doing it...although I am unclear about the os.putenv and how it works exactly
[07:51] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i'm back from uni for the summer, was dying to do something :)
[07:51] <xerosis> nixternal: same, i'm learning as i go...
[07:51] <nixternal> I can temporarily change the env for KDE_NO_IPV6=TRUE with os.environ
[07:51] <nixternal> but it would be nice to be able to set a permanent env setting for a user with it...I will learn it soon I am sure
[07:52] <Hobbsee> xerosis: woo :)
[07:53] <pygi> hey nixternal
[07:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: or at least they sort of listen.
[07:56] <nixternal> hiya pygi
[07:56] <pygi> how are you doing? :)
[08:22] <fdoving> nixternal: i belive permanently changing the env would include writing to some shell-rc file. like .bash_profile, but in order for new environment settings to become usable for most apps, the user needs to re-login.
[08:28] <Arby> manchicken: Riddell: got time to advise on some adept bug triage
[08:28] <Arby> first up bug 62475
[08:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475
[08:28] <Arby> can that be closed since there is a fix attached?
[08:29] <Arby> i.e. has the fix made it into adept yet?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> Arby: not unless the person who's uploaded hte fix to the archives has marked it as such
[08:29] <Hobbsee> ie, no
[08:29] <Arby> OK
[08:30] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[08:30] <Hobbsee> looking at that, i dunno.  as manchicken is the standard person for it
[08:30] <Arby> yes it's him who attached the fix
[08:30] <Hobbsee> you'll have to wait for him to answer - but i wouldnt close that, in current state
[08:31] <Arby> Hobbsee: OK, I have plenty more to work on :)
[08:42] <xerosis> Arby: don't steal all the bugs before hug day :p
[08:43] <Arby> xerosis: unfortunately I don't have a lot of time on hug day
[08:43] <Arby> so I'm getting in early :)
[08:43] <xerosis> Arby: i'll let you off then...
[08:45] <fdoving> nixternal: nice blog about dmca-stuff, i so agree.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:45] <Hobbsee> there's enough bugs for everyone....
[08:45] <nixternal> hey, don't view that site with Konqui...that nixforce is loaded with ads within everyones posts...konqui doesn't show them :)
[08:45] <Hobbsee> there's still 130K of them.
[08:45] <xerosis> Hobbsee: yeah but they'll all the the leftovers :p
[08:46] <xerosis> s/the/be
[08:46] <Hobbsee> bah
[08:46] <Hobbsee> i'm sure you can find something interesting in them
[08:47] <Arby> adept has over a hundred but I'm working on that :)
[08:47] <xerosis> have you ever tried explaining bug triage to anyone outside of linux?
[08:47] <xerosis> blank faces all round
[08:47] <Hobbsee> sure.  mozilla.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> note:  you said linux, not open source
[08:48] <xerosis> you know what i mean :p
[08:48] <Hobbsee> in fact, i learned bug triage from mozilla.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> doing it on windows.
[08:48] <xerosis> i meant non-nerds
[08:48] <Hobbsee> there are some very nerdy windows users </pedant>
[08:49] <Hobbsee> hehehhehehe
[08:49] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine it happens lots in propriatory softwrae too
[08:50] <xerosis> i meant family int he first instance...
[08:50] <Hobbsee> oh right
[08:50] <xerosis> not that it matters now :p
[08:51] <pygi> kwwii, !!! :)
[08:51] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:52] <kwwii> hi pygi
[08:52] <pygi> hey, how are you? :)
[08:52] <kwwii> somewhat sick still, but other than that, good
[08:52] <pygi> ehm, get well
[08:52] <kwwii> and you?
[08:52] <pygi> tired, busy and stuff
[08:52] <pygi> too much work to do :(
[08:53] <kwwii> yeah, well, I am on a business trip atm, so no real chance to get better yet
[08:53] <pygi> and 5 exams this week :P
[08:53] <pygi> hehe
[08:53] <kwwii> ouch, 5 is probably 4 too many
[08:53] <Hobbsee> how's it almsot 5am again?
[08:54] <pygi> kwwii, yea , well :)
[08:54] <pygi> and mostly silly subjects which I dont like
[08:54] <pygi> like law :P
[08:57] <kwwii> hehe, you can make good money learning the law
[08:57] <pygi> perhaps, but meh, useless :)
[08:57] <apachelogger> pygi: ha! accounting and tax law for me tomorrow :P
[08:58] <pygi> apachelogger, informatics law here wednesday exam
[08:58] <pygi> tomorrow is math
[08:58] <apachelogger> wednesday is biology and german :D
[08:58] <pygi> tuesday is informatics and statistics
[08:58] <pygi> and saturday is organization
[08:58] <pygi> xerosis, I'll do similar :P
[08:59] <xerosis> i had a prolog exam :(:(
[08:59] <pygi> lol
[09:02] <pygi> nice :P
[09:02] <pygi> apachelogger, you know something right? Unlike me? :)
[09:05] <apachelogger> pygi: not so sure about that :S
[09:05] <pygi> apachelogger, I didnt look math, and that's my second time at that exam
[09:08] <apachelogger> pygi: account is also 2nd time :S
[09:09] <apachelogger> last exam was right after linuxtag
[09:09] <apachelogger> so I had no change to learn anything
[09:09] <pygi> apachelogger, that is in my second semester
[09:09] <pygi> I still have to pass first one :P
[09:09] <apachelogger> luckily I got permission to do it again :D
[09:09] <apachelogger> pygi: hehe
[09:09] <pygi> (tho I did listen to the accounting classes)
[09:10] <pygi> apachelogger, don't you have right to take each exam 3+1 times?
[09:11] <apachelogger> nope
[09:11] <pygi> hm, how come?
[09:11] <apachelogger> austrian school system :P
[09:11] <pygi> meh
[09:11] <pygi> I have 3+1 times to pass an exam
[09:12] <pygi> and I still won't pass :p
[09:12] <apachelogger> well... :P
[09:12] <pygi> what? :)
[09:14] <apachelogger> nothing
[09:14] <pygi> hehe :)
[09:14] <apachelogger> should continue learning
[09:14] <apachelogger> on the other hand
[09:14] <apachelogger> listening to music is lots more fun :D
[09:15] <pygi> I agree :P
[09:36] <Arby> can anyone tell me if bug 95955 is actually a bug or is adept supposed to behave that way
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95955 in adept "Adept Manager doesn't keep changes to UI" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95955
[09:42] <xerosis> doesn't sound like a bug to me :/
[09:42] <xerosis> but don't take my word for it
[09:45] <Arby> no it doesn't sound like a bug to me either
[09:45] <Arby> I was just hoping to check with soemone who knows the intended behaviour
[09:46] <xerosis> it's not an important enough part of the UI to expect changes to be saved
[09:46] <xerosis> manchicken__ will know
[09:46] <Arby> manchicken__: got a minute to look at that ^^ bug?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> yay! Net
[10:28] <xerosis> has the default font/size changed in gutsy?
[11:08] <manchicken__> Arby: I'll look at it now, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do anything on it just yet.
[11:09] <Arby> manchicken__: thanks, I just needed confirmation if that is expected behaviour or an actual bug.
[11:09] <manchicken__> Arby: Expected behavior.
[11:10] <manchicken__> I agree with the user that that behavior would be desirable, but it's simply not there yet.
[11:10] <Arby> right that's all I needed to know.
[11:10] <Arby> there are a stack of adept bugs that should be wishlist
[11:11] <Arby> but I'm not ubuntu-qa so I can't do that
[11:11] <manchicken__> Welcome to the reason why I don't like looking at the adept list :)
[11:11] <Arby> I'd be happy to do it if I could
[11:11] <manchicken__> Also, you have to love the ones that are really dpkg issues, or even better, package issues.
[11:11] <Arby> I spent most of yesterday triaging adept bugs
[11:11] <manchicken__> Good.
[11:12] <manchicken__> Someone needs to... Lord knows I lack the patience.
[11:12] <Arby> happy to do it if you're happy to fill the gaps in my knowledge
[11:12] <Arby> and I'm working on getting u-qa
[11:13] <Arby> to clean up the wishlist
[11:15] <Arby> manchicken__: another one that could possibly be closed is bug 62475
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475
[11:15] <Arby> it has a fix on it from you.
[11:16] <Arby> can that be marked fix released/
[11:16] <Arby> or is it still in progress?
[11:17] <manchicken__> I think this one went live with feisty.
[11:17] <manchicken__> Not completely sure.
[11:17] <Arby> well the view menu definitely works on my feisty
[11:17] <manchicken__> I just verified that the fix is in.
[11:17] <manchicken__> That's a closed one.
[11:17] <Arby> hooray
[11:18] <Arby> adept bugs -1 :)
[11:18] <manchicken__> Maybe even make a wishlist post for making that smarter?
[11:18] <manchicken__> Dunno.
[11:18] <Arby> your call, it's your fix.
[11:18] <Arby> I'm about to close it unless you want it wishlisted
[11:19] <xerosis> Arby: ubuntu-qa only needs 5 bugs or something small
[11:19] <Arby> xerosis: I know just had a conversation with bdmurray and sent him my five :)
[11:22] <Arby> manchicken__: closing that bug as fix released.
[11:22] <manchicken__> Righto
[11:26] <Arby> hooray that brings the adept bug list under 100.
[11:28] <manchicken__> Yay!  We should have a party.
[11:33] <manchicken__> Arby: You can call me manchicken ;)
[11:33] <manchicken__> no need for formality :)
[11:33] <manchicken> I think more people know me as manchicken than by my real name anyway.
[11:34] <Arby> yeah it still seems odd referring to people by irc nicks outside irc
[11:34] <mhb> sure thing, Michael
[11:34] <manchicken> I half-jokingly called the court clerk to see if I could change my name to "manchicken" one time.  She hung up on me.
[11:34] <crimsun> really?  They said I could add "crimsun" to mine, but I declined.
[11:35] <Arby> having said that I find myself responding to arby in real life a lot more
[11:35] <Arby> especially in geek company
[11:41] <xerosis> annoyingly all my real-life nicks were taken on irc :(
[11:42] <mhb> well, now I know Richard's name, too
[11:43] <Arby> indeed :)
[11:44] <Arby> Rich to my friends, which includes everybody here.
[11:46] <Arby> quick look at bug 116700 anyone , are those traces missing debugging symbols or are they meant to be like that?
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116700 in adept "when KDE starts the Programm is crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116700
[11:53] <mhb> Arby: missing, I'd say
[11:53] <Arby> mhb: right thanks