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phixnaycrimsum: whoops, the root element is going to be different than the one for feisty, how do I know what to put for it?12:31
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DanaGUgh, I don't like it.  Perhaps I just don't have it competently configured yet.12:31
DanaGe17.12:31
crimsunphixnay: I thought you stated you know what to put for it.12:33
crimsunphixnay: it's the same semantics as before, just adjust the primary and secondary indices accordingly for your drive and partition12:34
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DanaGOh, I figured something out: my partition numbering changed.12:42
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DanaGhttp://e17blog.tuxfamily.org/ebuntu_en.php/12:47
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DigitalNinjahow's gusty gibbon doing these days?12:59
DigitalNinja"gutsy" that is12:59
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gravemindis it too late for a rename? gusty is so much easier to type01:00
DigitalNinjalol01:03
DigitalNinjaAny one install it yet01:03
geocritteri was wondering the same thing01:03
geocritterfeisty has been just that...feisty and tempermental01:04
geocritteri'm hoping gutsy will have a lot of fixes that broke in feisty01:04
gravemindmy cd won't work01:06
gravemindjust as the feisty live cd never worked01:06
gravemindstupid hardware problems01:06
gravemindI wish I could go back to edgy01:06
geocrittermine did ok, just a bunch of regressions...like sd cards quit working, it doesn't shut down correclty anymore, a lot of complaints about overheating...geez...01:07
gravemindwell it's still early in the dev cycle01:07
geocritterno, I was talking about feisty01:08
gravemindmaybe the errors will become fixed01:08
geocritteri'm hoping gutsy will be a major improvement01:08
gravemindyeah01:08
geocritteri think a *lot* of probs will be fixed in 2.6.2201:08
rasherIt's working reasonably well for me, but I'm not really keeping track of what's happening. I'm used to running Debian unstable, so changes are sort of a blur01:08
geocritterlol01:09
geocritterbeen there done that.  Played with sidux, as well, a little01:09
geocritteri'm just kind of waiting for gutsy to settle down a little before I jump into it01:10
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DigitalNinjageocritter: I've been using Fiesty and havn't had any problems01:24
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jriachihello01:26
DigitalNinjahello01:27
jriachiI had an idea of a bug-reporting contest, to make the next ubuntu the best distribution :)01:31
crimsunplease don't.01:31
crimsunin fact, invert that.  make it a bug-fixing contest.01:32
calccrimsun: hehe01:32
crimsunreporting thousands of bugs can be useful, but if no one fixes them, they're as good as dead and don't buy Ubuntu anything.01:32
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jriachithe idea would be that the users would make a video (20secs) showing their 'favourite' bugs... and then voting for the best video.01:34
Tm_Tcrimsun: "most buggy system, just look the amount of bugreports"01:34
DanaGBest Edgy bug:01:34
DanaGHit brightness keys, Xorg crashes.01:34
DanaGAt least that was the "Best" I'd encountered.01:34
crimsunno01:34
jriachiand then maybe fix-a-bug-in-this-video contest, crimsun :)01:35
crimsunthe best bug I've ever encountered was pressing the power button and having the machine shut down.01:35
Tm_Tcrimsun: isn't that, like, how it should do?01:35
crimsunyes, and the fact that someone reported it as a bug is why it wins my award.01:35
Tm_Theh01:35
Tm_TI would like to see that bugreport01:36
calccrimsun: were they claiming it should suspend or something?01:36
crimsuncalc: no idea, I don't even remember if it's still on bugzilla01:36
calcpressing the power button and it shutting down could be a bug if acpi is setup such that it should do something else?01:37
jriachicrimsum.. in debian (my old distribution) someone reported tuxracer was too adictive and that it was lowering his productivity.01:37
calcjriachi: heh01:37
crimsuncalc: I don't think the user mentioned that01:37
calccrimsun: ok01:37
jriachiand other that the name of the kaffeine package gave him insomnia01:37
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jriachi( last one, i promise http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256039 )01:43
ubotuDebian bug 256039 in nicotine "'nicotine' in 'top' makes me want to smoke" [Wishlist,Fixed] 01:43
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JaZy84howd all02:22
JaZy84i'm interested in trying the tribe 1, can I just edit my sources.list and run a dist-upgrade?02:23
gravemindhey is anyone aware of the problem that the live cd does not work on all cdrom drives?02:24
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phinhey, so im about to move from feisty to gutsy, just wondering, whats the deal with compcomm02:25
phinis there a gutsy repo, im moving from beryl-manager-svn02:25
gnomefreakJaZy84: phin there are problems with upgrading atm02:25
crimsungravemind: yes.02:25
phinwhat kind of problems are we talking about?02:25
phinim pretty savvy02:25
gnomefreakphin: having beryl may cause a failure to upgrade02:25
phini could uninstall that all02:25
gnomefreakphin: failure to upgrade packages being broken02:26
phinthen install compcomm from scratch?02:26
JaZy84thanks for the info gnomefreak, suppose i'll just wait for it02:26
JaZy84maybe tribe 202:26
gnomefreakphin: some people having issues with UUID02:26
gravemindcrimsun: should I expect a bugfix?02:26
crimsungravemind: for Tribe1?  No.02:26
phinwell, is there a compcomm repo for gutsy?02:26
phini'll take my chances if i can find one02:27
gnomefreakphin: its not fully pushed in yet02:27
phinhmmm ok02:27
phinjust wondering if quinn or anyone has a 3rd party repo02:27
gnomefreakthey just started on it like thursday iirc. phin ask in #ubuntu-effects for 3rd party stuff02:27
phingnomefreak: thanks02:27
phinnp02:27
gnomefreaki doubt quinn does02:28
phinim sure trevino has something02:28
gravemindcrimsun: but for the release, yes?02:29
crimsungravemind: by Tribe2 if not before.02:29
gravemindSWEET!02:30
gnomefreakphin: hell i can have one by tomorrow thats not the hard part. btw trevino has had alot of broken packages in past i wouldnt use his repo but thats IMHO02:30
gnomefreakhell im willing to bet the devel for it has a repo for testing too02:32
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JaZy84night gnomefreak02:34
gravemindcrimsun: what's the problem with the cdrom drivers?02:37
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gravemindcrimsun, how do you prevent the installer from installing lilo/grub? I don't think I ever found out02:44
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Tm_Tgravemind: hmm, in last step in installer there's button in lower right corner02:45
Tm_Tcan't remember what label02:45
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DanaGargh, networkmanager ignores "prepend domain-name-server"03:34
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DanaGargh-ness.03:38
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DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/9276103:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 92761 in network-manager "resolv.conf overwritten no matter what I do" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 03:47
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=== DanaG has that bug.
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crimsunit works fine here with those workarounds (dhclient.conf and resolv.conf)04:12
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DanaGIt's ignoring dhclient.conf for me.04:13
DanaGAlso, won't making resolv.conf read-only break roaming?04:13
crimsunhuh?04:15
crimsunwhy would you make resolv.conf r-o?04:15
crimsun# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)04:15
crimsun#     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN04:15
crimsunnameserver 208.67.222.22204:15
crimsun..04:15
DanaGThat's what I'd seen in other places.  I guess I'm mixing multiple pages in my mind.04:15
crimsunlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2007-05-28 19:57 /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf04:15
DanaGI want to prepend 127.0.0.1 to everything.04:16
crimsun~ cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base04:16
crimsunnameserver 208.67.222.22204:16
crimsunnameserver 208.67.220.22004:16
crimsun~ grep -nH prepend /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf04:16
crimsun/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf:18:prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220;04:16
crimsunso what you'd do is simply:04:17
crimsun1) echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base04:17
crimsun2) uncomment and edit the prepend line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf04:17
DanaGaah, so that's the other place.04:17
DanaGHmm, now it seems like that's the only line in my resolv.conf.04:19
crimsunthen use the appropriate file in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/04:20
DanaGhead.04:20
DanaGTime to try reconnecting with networkmanager.04:20
DanaGGood, head worked.04:22
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DanaGwww.wtfcharter.com.     1006632960 IN   A       206.112.100.13204:22
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phinweird04:35
phinwhen i go to update via update-manager -c -d i get this error04:35
phinhttp://pastebin.arslinux.com/829104:35
gnomefreakphin: next time read what i say. upgrading is broken.04:40
crimsunis upgrading broken?04:42
crimsun;)04:42
phinoh04:42
phinhmmm04:42
phinsoooooooooooooo04:42
phinwhat do we do?04:42
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phintraditional apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade route?04:43
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gnomefreakphin: you forget about upgrading for now and wait a while till things get fixed04:47
gnomefreakif you are a ubuntu-devel you fix it (seeing as ubuntu devels should really be only ones using gutsy at this point)04:49
gnomefreaknight04:49
phinum04:52
phinbeta testers, too?04:52
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gnomefreakphin: its not beta04:52
gnomefreakphin: you can do as you wish but dont use it if you cant fix it its too early04:53
tonyyarussoSuper pre-alpha I'm a psycopath testers!04:53
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DanaGCool, paplay works with my ripped DVD-A.05:55
DanaGI'll have to try it with my external sound card later.05:56
DanaGDoes pulseaudio do 24/96 audio?05:56
crimsunpulseaudio doesn't give a care.05:57
crimsunit's perfectly capable of handling 32/192 without batting an eye05:58
DanaGCool.05:58
crimsunin fact, it'll handle some ungodly resampling rate05:58
DanaGI'll have to try that over network some time, just for fun.05:58
crimsundoesn't matter, since nothing really works at that rate anyhow05:58
DanaGI ripped my Creative DVD-Audio Sampler.05:59
DanaG6 channel 24/96.05:59
crimsunI'm not a fan of DVD-A.05:59
DanaGI don't plan to buy any disks.06:00
DanaGI think it sucks that you can't, or aren't allowed to, put them over SPDIF.06:00
crimsunI own two, and they're excellent, but I still prefer SACD.06:00
DanaGI've never tried one.06:01
DanaGSACD, I mean.06:01
DanaGNow I have pulseaudio->plug:surround51:0->downmix51->dmix06:02
crimsunI bought into the hype with Floyd's DSotM.06:02
DanaGAs long as I can rip it to play under Linux.06:02
DanaGs/./.../06:02
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DanaGIs there any way to get pulseaudio to load sinks Y and Z for .asoundrc -created devices , when hardware device X shows up>06:13
DanaG?   Right now I have to restart pulseaudio for my upmix and surround sinks to show up after a hotplug.06:14
crimsunnot easily06:15
crimsunyou can write shell scripts, but that's what you'd want to avoid for pA06:16
crimsunyou essentially want virtual sinks, which already exist, but the dynamic and automatic addition/removal of them is blocked on a bug06:16
crimsunsinks and sources currently require specific devices, which is IMO an alsa-lib wishlist bug06:17
DanaGYou could do it client-side: add an option "depends" -- so my manually-configured sinks would load upon appearance of hw:1  .  Note that my virtual devices are set up in .asoundrc.06:24
DanaGs/client-side/in the daemon/06:24
crimsunthat still blocks on the bug I just mentioned06:24
DanaGWhich one?06:24
crimsun< crimsun> sinks and sources currently require specific devices06:24
DanaGoh, the add-autoload-module part.06:25
DanaGIs there a bug report you can link me to?  It seems interesting to me.06:28
DanaGOdd, new bug: gnome-settings-daemon crashes when first initializing the "other" volume indicator (switching composite<=>regular).06:31
crimsunDanaG: http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/8906:32
DanaGaah, thanks.06:32
DanaGHmm, is that with the ALSA to Pulse wrapper, or am I misinterpreting it?  I'm not using that attribute.06:34
crimsunit's the plugin contained in libasound2-plugins06:39
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DanaGOdd, the channels seem to be mapped to plug:surround51:1 incorrectly.08:07
DanaGstream: front-left side-left front-center front-right side-right lfe08:08
DanaGsink: front-left front-right rear-left rear-right front-center lfe08:09
DanaGOh wait, that sink is my upmixer.08:11
DanaGOddly, the upmix sink works; the other doesn't.   Both sinks have the same channel order.08:11
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coNPanyone's gnome-panel suffering from strange disappear-disease?09:05
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DanaGI have a "gnome-session segfaults sometimes, unless I use failsafe" issue.09:08
coNPa nice kill -HUP frigtened my gnome panel and it became concious09:09
DanaGHUP two three four....09:12
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popeyfor anyone using ubuntu gutsy, I am currently planning a short screencast about what's new so far, and what's coming up. i can see from my laptop running it that we have nice things like notifcation of new mail in evolution and tomboy has tags, has anyone here noticed any really nice improvements in gutsy that i can report?11:32
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DanaGALSA lib confmisc.c:769:(parse_card) cannot find card '_driver'02:22
DanaGOdd bracket thingy....02:22
johnnybuoyhah02:23
johnnybuoythat's a "no" mathematical sign...02:23
johnnybuoybut I dunno if it's just a random char...02:23
DanaGearlier: ALSA lib confmisc.c:769:(parse_card) cannot find card '@_driver'02:24
johnnybuoyhah02:24
johnnybuoyyeah, then it's prolly 'just a random char'02:24
johnnybuoy:D02:24
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DanaGOdd error message -- it should be something like "that device is not present".  Not gobbledygook_driver.02:28
DanaGOh, I figured out how to fix SSH dying.02:29
DanaGOr rather, make it time out rather than just blocking forever.02:29
DanaGServerAliveInterval 1502:29
DanaGServerAliveCountMax 202:29
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DanaG/etc/ssh/ssh_config02:30
DanaGso it checks every 15 seconds, and gives up after two failures.02:30
johnnybuoygobbledygoo02:31
johnnybuoyhahaha02:31
johnnybuoylol02:31
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DanaGPulseAudio is a wonderful invention.02:36
johnnybuoyit is?02:36
johnnybuoyisn't t bloaty hard-to-configure experimental software?02:36
johnnybuoyisn't it*02:36
DanaGIt's wonderful once you figure out how to get it exactly the way you want it.02:37
DanaGit DID take me a while to figure out how to get my .asoundrc set up the way I want.02:37
johnnybuoyyeah, that's my problem02:37
johnnybuoywell, that was the same for me too02:37
DanaGI'd love to see ALSA needs to ship some upmix and downmix virtual devices set up by default.02:39
johnnybuoy?02:40
DanaGThough perhaps it's one of those "submit a patch, and we'll consider it" things.  Also, the channel mixing comes down to personal preference, partly.02:40
johnnybuoyn dmix n dsnooped02:40
johnnybuoycause that is cool02:40
johnnybuoyI can voip while listening to music n I still hear pidgin notifications02:41
johnnybuoythos I never do that :D02:41
johnnybuoytho*02:41
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DanaGI use two audio devices, so PulseAudio is great for switching on the fly -- except for the fact that virtual sinks don't load if not initally loaded.02:46
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Trewaspersonally, linux audio stuff has been downhill after sblive&OSS, with that combination there was absolutely nothing to set up and everything Just Worked (including playing many sounds at the same time)02:53
johnnybuoyoss was a pain in the a$$02:54
johnnybuoyo$$02:54
johnnybuoy:D02:54
johnnybuoymaybe with sblive not, dunno02:54
johnnybuoymy oppinion is that as with almost every oss project, alsa has become a bloated code02:56
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mikkaeldigicam held back, is this only on my installation ?03:38
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Hobbseemikkael: means you need to dist-upgrade03:44
Hobbseeie, it's not uncommon during development03:44
mikkaelit wont update on a dist-upgrade03:45
mikkaelwhen i check it's dependencies on adept, i see some conflicts03:47
=== DanaG always uses !aptitude
DanaG!aptitude03:49
mikkaelwell well, had to remove some kexi stuff03:50
DanaG!info aptitude03:50
Hobbseemikkael: go through apt or aptitude, then.03:50
Hobbseeapt tends to be clearer03:50
ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide03:50
ubotuaptitude: terminal-based apt frontend. In component main, is important. Version 0.4.4-4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1431 kB, installed size 8632 kB03:50
mikkaelwhat does aptitude that apt-get doesnt ?03:50
Hobbseean ncurses interface.03:51
Hobbseehandles the dependancy resolution slightly differently.03:51
Hobbseetry them both.03:51
mikkaelwhat does synaptic use "under the hood" ?03:52
Hobbseeapt, i believe03:52
Hobbsee!info skype03:52
ubotuPackage skype does not exist in gutsy03:52
HobbseeDanaG: is skype in commercial, or not in ubuntu at all?03:52
Hobbsee!info skype feisty03:52
mikkaelnot at all03:52
Hobbseeright03:52
ubotuPackage skype does not exist in feisty03:53
=== Hobbsee rejects the bug.
DanaG!medibuntu03:53
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/03:53
DanaGhas skype.03:53
HobbseeDanaG: yeah,b ut that's them, not us, and i dont care.  it's their problem to fix it :)03:53
Hobbseeif i cant upload the fix, then -ENOTMYPROBLEM--> reject.03:54
DanaGWhat bug?03:54
mikkaelwhats the problem with skype ?03:54
Hobbseesegfaulting03:54
DanaGMedibuntu has their own Launchpad section/03:54
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/bugs/11983903:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119839 in Ubuntu "skype (core dumped)" [Undecided,Rejected] 03:54
Hobbseeer, core dumped03:54
Hobbseeoh yeah, point03:54
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Hobbseethere we go :)03:55
mikkaeli wonder why there are only 16 bugs on gutsy right now03:56
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mikkaelshouldnt there be loads of bugs on a first alpha release :) ?03:57
DanaGOh yeah, my gnome-session finally un-broke.03:57
=== DanaG has noticed: apport hasn't been launching for crashes.
Hobbseeit's probably still disabled03:57
Hobbseemikkael: because, except in very special cases, bugs arent filed against a specific release03:58
Hobbseemikkael: and excluding the special case, it's wrong if they are.03:58
mikkaeloh so im in the wrong section03:58
Hobbseemikkael: the only bugs that should be there are milestoned bugs03:58
Hobbseeyes03:58
Hobbseetake out the +gutsy/03:58
mikkaelyes i will try to find obsolete filed bugs from time to time, for that "fuzzy warm feeling"03:59
Hobbseewoo :)03:59
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Do``hey04:00
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Do``is there a way to make the terminal cycle through possible completed filenames instead of listing them and only those that match case sensitively?04:00
Do``i dont remember how it was done on my 'production' ubuntu and i cant find any options in the alpha version04:01
Hobbseeer, not with bash, i suspect04:02
Hobbseeor only with a special config options, which sharms was looking at, iirc.04:02
Hobbseesounds like a csh thing04:02
Do``being a newbie i dont recall doing such things.. are you sure those are the only way? :)04:03
Hobbseeno04:05
Hobbseehence the "i suspect" and such04:05
Hobbseewhen you find the solution, do tell.04:05
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Do``:)04:07
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DanaGWoah, I just noticed:  I can do two-finger scrolling with Linux synaptics.  Sweet.04:42
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DanaGTwo- (and virtual three-)button touchpad, with two-finger scroll, circular scroll, and side scroll -- each can be set to a different speed.04:45
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DanaGSynaptics, Pulseaudio, Beryl, Dynticks... what more could you want?04:48
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HobbseeDanaG: kde4.04:49
HobbseeDanaG: and everything just working.04:49
Hobbseeand world domination.04:49
coNPHobbsee: kde4 in gutsy?04:49
HobbseecoNP: sure, it's there now - the third alpha, iirc.04:49
coNPsounds cool :)04:50
affluxsince gutsy I have lots of /tmp/tmprules-*.dat files, all having the same (http://paste.stgraber.org/1516) content. When I remove them, nothing happens, except that they are recreated.04:50
afflux(not all at once)04:50
affluxany ideas what that could be?04:51
=== DanaG is lucky enough to have ipw3945 and e1000, rather than Broadcom-anything and Realtek wired.
DanaGYay, Gateway.04:53
DanaGThough I do have other issues, sometimes.04:53
DanaGOh, and fixed TTYs would be nice.04:54
DanaGI wonder what's with the 2.6.22-6-generic kernel.04:56
DanaGI get an error that essentially says it can't find my root partition.04:57
DanaGThe "Here is a list of available partitions" thingy lists nothing.04:57
DanaGAlso, I noticed that going from Feisty to Gutsy changed the GDM theme, even though the changelog didn't seem to mention any change.04:59
DanaGI just need to figure out how to make tapping workable.05:04
DanaGStray taps are annoying, but not having tapping is also annoying.05:04
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DanaGThat's odd: the two-finger-scroll thing has a ridiculously small vertical tolerance.05:33
DanaGs/ridiculously/rather/05:33
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root__how do i set my gutsy gibbon nvidia display drivers to 1440x900 in 16/10 mode ?05:59
root__on kubuntu05:59
root__setting are not applied when i press apply05:59
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pvandewyngaerdei'm that root guy, having monitor problems06:10
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pvandewyngaerdeis it possible to get flash working ?06:43
pvandewyngaerdei have 64 bit06:44
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tarzeauanyone play some #bub-n-bros join the gnu server now...06:52
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shirishhi all have anybody else have had issues with gnome-panel & thunar being held back ?07:04
calcanyone happen to know how to make thunderbird filter emails07:06
calcit seems to do nothing when i have a filter setup the filter log doesn't even do anything07:06
calcer show07:07
shirishanother thing, can anybody recommend a good font, the default font used is very very big07:09
=== DanaG uses the DejaVu fonts.
DanaGOh, and make sure your DPI settings are correct.07:10
=== coNP uses Liberation
coNPkudos for Red Hat :)07:10
DanaGWith my Gnome set to 100DPI, and fonts at 10 points, it's wonderful.07:11
rasherX fails to find the size of my laptop screen, and I found nowhere to input the physical size. Am I supposed to just enter the dpi directly?07:11
coNPDanaG: where do you set up dpi?07:11
DanaGWho needs Cleartype?  Not I!  In fact, I like the Linux subpixel rendering BETTER.07:11
DanaGYou can put size in xorg.conf, or you can figure it out with the help of (google "javascript dpi")07:12
shirishcoNP: how can I install liberation07:12
DanaGor add "calculator"07:12
shirishDanaG: how do I set DPI ?07:12
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shirishjust fyi its a CRT, no LCD07:12
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DanaGgnome-font-properties.07:13
coNPshirish: actually I realized I use the default "sans" fonts now07:14
DanaGOr you can add sizes (in millimeters) to Xorg.conf.07:14
coNPliberation only for monotype07:14
shirishDanaG: there is no front-end?07:14
coNPthanks DanaG07:14
DanaGOne sets size so Xorg calculates DPI for itself; the other sets DPI so things can calculate size.07:14
shirishcoNP: how did you get the liberation font is it in the repository by some other name? or you did by some other name07:15
coNPshirish: I got it through an rpm package via alien07:16
coNPwhat is not recommended07:16
coNPmaybe even forbidden :D07:16
shirishok heres my setup, see if you guys can recommend something07:17
shirishApplication font :-  Nimbus Roman No. 9 L size 1007:18
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shirishDocument Font :- Sans size 1107:18
shirishDesktop Font :-  TSCu_Times Normal size 1007:19
shirishWindows Title Font :- Samanata size 1007:20
shirishFixed width font :- Monospace size 1007:20
shirishany ideas ?07:20
shirishFont rendering is given to best shapes07:21
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DanaGwtf? http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/alexitimia-robotic-blob-sweats-when-you-touch-it/#comments08:02
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