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| moimart | tko: you are fast | 05:11 |
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| moimart | :) | 05:11 |
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| moimart | tko_: :) | 05:17 |
| tko_ | yes, had to download xchat first | 05:18 |
| moimart | you are writing with the onscreen kb, right? | 05:18 |
| tko_ | can't figure why wireless doesn't work on my laptop (ip ok, connecting anywhere not) | 05:19 |
| tko_ | and loving it! | 05:19 |
| moimart | what ssid are you using? | 05:20 |
| moimart | im using this metrofi-free-* crao | 05:21 |
| tko_ | WildPalmsHotel on both | 05:21 |
| moimart | metrofi-free-wild-palms | 05:22 |
| moimart | that's the one | 05:22 |
| moimart | I just plugged in the converter | 05:23 |
| moimart | laptop didnt explode though :) | 05:23 |
| tko_ | any update on tomorrow? | 05:24 |
| moimart | not yet | 05:24 |
| moimart | it seems mdz is away | 05:24 |
| moimart | bobux: are you around? | 05:26 |
| moimart | robr: ? | 05:27 |
| moimart | tko_: no luck | 05:33 |
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| moimart | now you are using the laptop? | 05:39 |
| tko_ | yes, got one ap working | 05:40 |
| moimart | well, it seems they all are away | 05:41 |
| tko_ | we'll just have to crash the party, then | 05:42 |
| moimart | yeah | 05:43 |
| moimart | kinda hungry right now | 05:43 |
| tko_ | yeah.. meet you in the lobby? | 05:44 |
| moimart | ok | 05:44 |
| moimart | ill be there in 5 mins | 05:44 |
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| moimart | mdz: ping | 06:52 |
| moimart | bobux: ping | 06:52 |
| moimart | robr: ping | 06:52 |
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| moimart | tko_: you around? | 07:03 |
| tko_ | kind of crashing already, but still | 07:03 |
| moimart | Mithrandir: ? | 07:11 |
| tko_ | moimart, I don't think I'll be waking up any time soon tomorrow %-) | 07:38 |
| moimart | tko_: so... what time then? | 07:42 |
| moimart | tko_: im gonna go to sleep in a few minutes | 07:55 |
| moimart | do i call you tomorrow? | 07:55 |
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| lool | mdz: Will you upload your slide at some place afterwards? | 10:00 |
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| daniels | tko_: you're in san francisco? | 10:41 |
| tigert | he blogged of being somewhere far away | 11:16 |
| daniels | yeah | 11:19 |
| daniels | hm, so i guess we won't be seeing him this week | 11:26 |
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| tko_ | daniels, tigert: yep, I'm in SF | 04:44 |
| daniels | tko_: ah, nice one | 04:47 |
| tko_ | btw, it's cold in here :-] | 04:47 |
| daniels | really? it's been like 27C in hki | 04:48 |
| tko_ | they say it'll be 24/13 today but at least yesterday around 6pm it didn't feel like 20+ | 04:49 |
| tko_ | and yes, it is weird to say it's more warm in finland than california :) | 04:50 |
| beattie_ | SFO never really warms up, cold ocean currents | 04:56 |
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| lool | Seems like seb128 didn't get enough mail to read; /me shovers some thousands mail towards seb128 | 05:13 |
| lool | seb128: WB! | 05:13 |
| seb128 | hey lool | 05:13 |
| seb128 | lool: I've enough mails, going to take the week to catch up probably ;) | 05:14 |
| seb128 | lool: I noticed you used the GTK+ patch in Debian and bumped the shlib then | 05:14 |
| daniels | lool: don't give him mail, just reassign bugs | 05:14 |
| lool | seb128: Correct; and even then, it triggerred some discussion with sjoerd who was worried about ABI breakages! (but I only uploaded to experimental) | 05:25 |
| seb128 | hey daniels | 05:25 |
| seb128 | lool: I didn't update the shlibs in Ubuntu on purpose, just FYI | 05:26 |
| seb128 | I don't think it's required to update the shlibs only for a maemo specific symbol | 05:26 |
| lool | seb128: How will Maemo apps get a proper dependency? | 05:28 |
| lool | s/Maemo/maemo | 05:29 |
| daniels | lool: shlibs.local | 05:29 |
| lool | daniels: Mulitplied by the number of packages | 05:29 |
| seb128 | lool: specifying the GTK version they required | 05:29 |
| seb128 | there is not that many packages using that symbol, is there? | 05:30 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir said that was ok | 05:30 |
| daniels | lool: sure | 05:30 |
| seb128 | s/required/required | 05:30 |
| lool | Perhaps not, yet I can't tell; what's wrong with bumping shlibs? | 05:30 |
| seb128 | require | 05:30 |
| seb128 | bump 10 minor version over what is required for a non official symbol | 05:30 |
| lool | It's less of a problem in Ubuntu because you don't have testing migration; but in Debian, it's really easy to have an app transition faster than Gtk | 05:31 |
| lool | seb128: And what's the consequence? | 05:31 |
| seb128 | not much | 05:32 |
| seb128 | but adding a Depend on libhildon-something is as ugly as bumping the shlibs for it | 05:32 |
| lool | Plus, Gtk upstream adds symbols pretty frequently at the start of release cycles, and we're close to the start of a new one | 05:32 |
| seb128 | and we decided on the first one | 05:32 |
| lool | seb128: Okay; for some reason, I didn't see this discussion (I tried following #ubuntu-mobile, ubuntu-mobile@luc and ubuntu-devel@luc), and it seemed the "safe choice" for Debian | 05:33 |
| lool | (I don't find bumping shlibs when you add symbols ugly BTW; quite the contrary) | 05:34 |
| seb128 | I think we discussed it on #ubuntu-devel | 05:34 |
| seb128 | sorry for not mentioning it somewhere, anyway that's quite a small change | 05:34 |
| seb128 | well, you make every deb built on gutsy require the gutsy GTK+ where the feisty one would just work | 05:35 |
| lool | Arf; that's perhaps true *right now* and for gutsy/feisty; I challenge this holds true between any other release and in one month | 05:36 |
| lool | You simply can't expect binary compatibility between two Ubuntu or Debian releases; you've got to rebuild C programs against the target distribution | 05:37 |
| seb128 | lool: well right, doesn't really matter anyway | 05:40 |
| lool | Yeah, we wont have to debate any such stuff if dpkg-gensymbols gets deployed | 05:47 |
| daniels | lool: 'simply can't expect binary compatibility': if the dependencies are satisfied and the program doesn't work, the packaging is fundamentally destroyed, full stop. | 05:48 |
| daniels | lool: partial upgrades always have been and always will be a supported feature, and regressing that is unacceptable | 05:48 |
| lool | daniels: Sure, and in this respect the choice of shlibs holds less risk to break stuff on partial upgrades since it's not remotely possible that someone forgets bumping a dep | 05:50 |
| lool | daniels: What I meant with binary compatibility is that we do not make any promise that you will be able to build a package on $next_release and install it in $previous_release; I didn't want to imply that dependencies are not enough | 05:51 |
| lool | And even would there be no dependency issue in installing a package built somewhere else in the target release, we still prefer building in the target release and not take the risk that anything breaks silently | 05:53 |
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| moimart | mdz: bobux: are you around? | 06:12 |
| moimart | robr: ? | 06:15 |
| moimart | Mithrandir: ? | 06:15 |
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| tko_ | anyone at google around? | 07:00 |
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| moimart | re | 07:27 |
| moimart | Mithrandir: ? | 07:28 |
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| mdz_ | agoliveira: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/ | 09:59 |
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| bspencer_ | mdz_, hey | 10:22 |
| mdz_ | bspencer_: libgnomevfs2-0 should be what you're looking for | 10:23 |
| mdz_ | bspencer_: by the way, hildon-desktop should be in gutsy in another hour or two | 10:23 |
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| moimart | lucasr: hi :) | 10:56 |
| lucasr | moimart, hei | 10:57 |
| lucasr | moimart, how is it going? | 10:57 |
| moimart | fine man | 10:57 |
| moimart | everything cool so far :) | 10:57 |
| lucasr | moimart, is it 14h there? | 10:57 |
| moimart | yeah right | 10:57 |
| moimart | how is everything over there? | 10:58 |
| daniels | lucasr: what's a havaiana? | 10:58 |
| lucasr | daniels, hei! | 10:58 |
| lucasr | daniels, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havaianas | 10:59 |
| lucasr | :-) | 10:59 |
| lucasr | daniels, that picture is an havaianas ad | 10:59 |
| moimart | havaianas are really famous in spain :) | 11:00 |
| daniels | lucasr: moi! we have something very very similar (generically, 'thongs' -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thong_sandals), but not proper havaianas. off to bed now though, see you later. | 11:01 |
| lucasr | daniels, see you! | 11:02 |
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| lucasr | moimart, hey, could you create your gnome bugzilla account? | 11:18 |
| Mithrandir | moimart: why do you keep pinging me? | 11:26 |
| tko_ | Mithrandir, we were trying to catch someone for more info on ubuntu mobile meeting.. nevermind now, we found it | 11:29 |
| lucasr | Mithrandir, don't you like pings? ping = love! :-) | 11:29 |
| tko_ | everybody pings lucasr | 11:30 |
| tko_ | lucasr, btw, can you announce the hildon-list ? | 11:30 |
| lucasr | tko_, yep | 11:30 |
| lucasr | tko_, I announced for the hildon developers already | 11:31 |
| lucasr | tko_, but I should do a community announcement | 11:31 |
| moimart | lucasr: I created with my nokia email but i cannot access right now though | 11:41 |
| lucasr | moimart, ok | 11:41 |
| moimart | Mithrandir: tko_ and I were trying to contact somebody for the meeting :) | 11:48 |
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