=== cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === javamaniac [n=gerardo@unaffiliated/javamaniac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === moimart [n=kvirc@gnu/webmaster/moimart] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:11] tko: you are fast [05:11] :) === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-184-56.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tko_ [n=tko@209.79.152.222] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:17] tko_: :) [05:18] yes, had to download xchat first [05:18] you are writing with the onscreen kb, right? [05:19] can't figure why wireless doesn't work on my laptop (ip ok, connecting anywhere not) [05:19] and loving it! [05:20] what ssid are you using? [05:21] im using this metrofi-free-* crao [05:21] WildPalmsHotel on both [05:22] metrofi-free-wild-palms [05:22] that's the one [05:23] I just plugged in the converter [05:23] laptop didnt explode though :) [05:24] any update on tomorrow? [05:24] not yet [05:24] it seems mdz is away [05:26] bobux: are you around? [05:27] robr: ? [05:33] tko_: no luck === tko_ [n=tko@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:39] now you are using the laptop? [05:40] yes, got one ap working [05:41] well, it seems they all are away [05:42] we'll just have to crash the party, then [05:43] yeah [05:43] kinda hungry right now [05:44] yeah.. meet you in the lobby? [05:44] ok [05:44] ill be there in 5 mins === adam_b [n=adam@bumble.xosia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:52] mdz: ping [06:52] bobux: ping [06:52] robr: ping === adam_b_ [n=adam@bumble.xosia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:03] tko_: you around? [07:03] kind of crashing already, but still [07:11] Mithrandir: ? [07:38] moimart, I don't think I'll be waking up any time soon tomorrow %-) [07:42] tko_: so... what time then? [07:55] tko_: im gonna go to sleep in a few minutes [07:55] do i call you tomorrow? === horaceli [n=hli23@61.129.40.36] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === xubo [n=root@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === xubo [n=root@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === jsmanrique [n=jsmanriq@cme-212-89-8-169.telecable.es] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === robr [n=rob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bobux [n=bspencer@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage_afk [n=sbryan@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@BSN-77-152-53.dsl.siol.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:00] mdz: Will you upload your slide at some place afterwards? === sp3000 [n=tt@hoasb-ff0ddd00-250.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:41] tko_: you're in san francisco? [11:16] he blogged of being somewhere far away [11:19] yeah [11:26] hm, so i guess we won't be seeing him this week === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ferulo [n=fer@a88-115-27-99.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === etrunko [n=edulima@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:44] daniels, tigert: yep, I'm in SF [04:47] tko_: ah, nice one [04:47] btw, it's cold in here :-] [04:48] really? it's been like 27C in hki [04:49] they say it'll be 24/13 today but at least yesterday around 6pm it didn't feel like 20+ [04:50] and yes, it is weird to say it's more warm in finland than california :) [04:56] SFO never really warms up, cold ocean currents === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage [05:13] Seems like seb128 didn't get enough mail to read; /me shovers some thousands mail towards seb128 [05:13] seb128: WB! [05:13] hey lool [05:14] lool: I've enough mails, going to take the week to catch up probably ;) [05:14] lool: I noticed you used the GTK+ patch in Debian and bumped the shlib then [05:14] lool: don't give him mail, just reassign bugs [05:25] seb128: Correct; and even then, it triggerred some discussion with sjoerd who was worried about ABI breakages! (but I only uploaded to experimental) [05:25] hey daniels [05:26] lool: I didn't update the shlibs in Ubuntu on purpose, just FYI [05:26] I don't think it's required to update the shlibs only for a maemo specific symbol [05:28] seb128: How will Maemo apps get a proper dependency? [05:29] s/Maemo/maemo [05:29] lool: shlibs.local [05:29] daniels: Mulitplied by the number of packages [05:29] lool: specifying the GTK version they required [05:30] there is not that many packages using that symbol, is there? [05:30] Mithrandir said that was ok [05:30] lool: sure [05:30] s/required/required [05:30] Perhaps not, yet I can't tell; what's wrong with bumping shlibs? [05:30] require [05:30] bump 10 minor version over what is required for a non official symbol [05:31] It's less of a problem in Ubuntu because you don't have testing migration; but in Debian, it's really easy to have an app transition faster than Gtk [05:31] seb128: And what's the consequence? [05:32] not much [05:32] but adding a Depend on libhildon-something is as ugly as bumping the shlibs for it [05:32] Plus, Gtk upstream adds symbols pretty frequently at the start of release cycles, and we're close to the start of a new one [05:32] and we decided on the first one [05:33] seb128: Okay; for some reason, I didn't see this discussion (I tried following #ubuntu-mobile, ubuntu-mobile@luc and ubuntu-devel@luc), and it seemed the "safe choice" for Debian [05:34] (I don't find bumping shlibs when you add symbols ugly BTW; quite the contrary) [05:34] I think we discussed it on #ubuntu-devel [05:34] sorry for not mentioning it somewhere, anyway that's quite a small change [05:35] well, you make every deb built on gutsy require the gutsy GTK+ where the feisty one would just work [05:36] Arf; that's perhaps true *right now* and for gutsy/feisty; I challenge this holds true between any other release and in one month [05:37] You simply can't expect binary compatibility between two Ubuntu or Debian releases; you've got to rebuild C programs against the target distribution [05:40] lool: well right, doesn't really matter anyway [05:47] Yeah, we wont have to debate any such stuff if dpkg-gensymbols gets deployed [05:48] lool: 'simply can't expect binary compatibility': if the dependencies are satisfied and the program doesn't work, the packaging is fundamentally destroyed, full stop. [05:48] lool: partial upgrades always have been and always will be a supported feature, and regressing that is unacceptable [05:50] daniels: Sure, and in this respect the choice of shlibs holds less risk to break stuff on partial upgrades since it's not remotely possible that someone forgets bumping a dep [05:51] daniels: What I meant with binary compatibility is that we do not make any promise that you will be able to build a package on $next_release and install it in $previous_release; I didn't want to imply that dependencies are not enough [05:53] And even would there be no dependency issue in installing a package built somewhere else in the target release, we still prefer building in the target release and not take the risk that anything breaks silently === boredand1logging [n=nali@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === jsmanrique [n=jsmanriq@cme-212-89-8-169.telecable.es] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === moimart [n=kvirc@gnu/webmaster/moimart] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:12] mdz: bobux: are you around? 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[10:57] fine man [10:57] everything cool so far :) [10:57] moimart, is it 14h there? [10:57] yeah right [10:58] how is everything over there? [10:58] lucasr: what's a havaiana? [10:58] daniels, hei! [10:59] daniels, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havaianas [10:59] :-) [10:59] daniels, that picture is an havaianas ad [11:00] havaianas are really famous in spain :) [11:01] lucasr: moi! we have something very very similar (generically, 'thongs' -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thong_sandals), but not proper havaianas. off to bed now though, see you later. [11:02] daniels, see you! === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:18] moimart, hey, could you create your gnome bugzilla account? [11:26] moimart: why do you keep pinging me? [11:29] Mithrandir, we were trying to catch someone for more info on ubuntu mobile meeting.. nevermind now, we found it [11:29] Mithrandir, don't you like pings? ping = love! :-) [11:30] everybody pings lucasr [11:30] lucasr, btw, can you announce the hildon-list ? [11:30] tko_, yep [11:31] tko_, I announced for the hildon developers already [11:31] tko_, but I should do a community announcement [11:41] lucasr: I created with my nokia email but i cannot access right now though [11:41] moimart, ok [11:48] Mithrandir: tko_ and I were trying to contact somebody for the meeting :) === `bubba` [n=sj@host-194-46-229-225.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdz_ [i=mdz@nat/google/x-8124a4123a191ea9] has joined #ubuntu-mobile