[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i also speak spanish...just not very very well
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> good enought to translate
[12:52] <gnomefreak> ok ill let you know if i get another
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> cool
[12:53] <gnomefreak> who wants wiki fun?
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> which page?
[12:53] <gnomefreak> all of them ;)
[12:53] <gnomefreak> either edit pages we have or make a new one but our bug pages need to be fixed
[12:54] <gnomefreak> maybe like heres how to triage a damn bug
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> yea we have a lot of pages all over the place. I'll put it on my list of things to do
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> definetly.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> the pages we have go into depth but nothing about dupes or easy traige
[12:55] <gnomefreak> i was gonna add it to agenda and may anyway
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> add it anywayts
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ok
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ok added as well as date and time, now to ping fridge mondayish
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> great
[01:01] <gnomefreak> i pinged one of them now lets see if hes around :)
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i just asked nixternal about it
[01:02] <gnomefreak> me too
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> lol
[01:02] <gnomefreak> btw you and jen great job on the clue files :)
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> 18:02 < nixternal> will do in a few, gnomefreak already messaged me
[01:02] <gnomefreak> oops
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> she did, I just overlooked and made a few changes
[01:03] <Admiral_Chicago> 85% of it was her. she deserves all the credit
[01:03] <gnomefreak> shes not here or i would have told her too :)
[01:05] <gnomefreak> ok i have a start up notice for forums i need to get with asac to go over it. if you can think of any jobs we need people for please let me know
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> there is one..
[01:06] <gnomefreak> i think i have wiki forums and some more
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+mentoring
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> that might be of help
[01:07] <gnomefreak> dont smack me but jen is now a member of the team
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> great.
[01:46] <gnomefreak> 19:45 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server localhost port 6667 [Connection  refused] 
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i found someone that uses it
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: what ubutnu version ar eyou on?
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Feisty
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> worked in Edgy too iirc.
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> actually, no Feisty was what i installed it in
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i heard jabber support is borked in feisty and gutsy but if your using it than i should beable to
[02:21] <gnomefreak> gutsy + feisty same package
[02:24] <gnomefreak> me too
[04:26] <charliko> ant help with lilo  or grub?
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: technical board has a meeting from 19 - 21 UTC
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> we could do it the 22th
[09:54] <asac> morning
[09:57] <asac> sorry for not showing up on the weekend ... but my body needed recovery
[11:42] <hjmf> hi asac, morning
[11:42] <hjmf> bug to eval bug #94749
[11:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94749 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@gtk_widget_event_internal]  " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94749
[11:43] <hjmf> sorry I meant: bug #110053
[11:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110053 in firefox "MASTER firefox crashed [@draw_arrow]  [@IA__gtk_paint_arrow]  [@moz_gtk_widget_paint]  -- in KDE" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110053
[11:43] <hjmf> Happens only in KDE, maybe related to a theme
[11:44] <hjmf> I haven't found any upstream relation
[11:44] <hjmf> asac: it has eight duplicates
[11:45] <asac> its most likely gtk-qt engine problem
[11:45] <asac> hjmf: let me see
[11:45] <asac> eight? .... twenty-seven duplicates i see
[11:46] <asac> oh
[11:46] <asac> :)
[11:46] <asac> i clicked the wrong link
[11:46] <hjmf> yep my fault :-P
[11:47] <asac> hjmf: why don't we have dbgsymbolds for /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so ?
[11:47] <hjmf> looking
[11:48] <asac> its definitly a qtengine related ... might be that mozilla assumes something that is not mandatory for engine
[11:48] <asac> but most likely its a bug in libqtengine
[11:56] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: have nixternal not use that date than give me 2 days and ill have another date most likely the 26th
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: we had someone mark 9dupes of a bug they were not dupes Admiral_Chicago has the info oon who it was nad what bugs
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: hope you had fun this weekend
[11:58] <asac> yeah i had :)
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: how are you doing?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> im ok just got up but im good
[11:59] <gnomefreak> mike released 1.1.2 this weekend is this something we can commit and merge to bzr? i tried but i think i needed to use bzr commit <URl)
[11:59] <asac> weekend was nice ... been at the beach
[11:59] <gnomefreak> >
[12:00] <asac> do we have 1.1.1 ?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> oh you did have fun
[12:00] <asac> :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> yes i have 1.1.1
[12:00] <gnomefreak> my branch is 1.1.1
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: what branches do exist?
[12:00] <asac> we have one that mirrors the svn right?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> he made alot of changes mostly looks like patches dropped
[12:00] <asac> and yours that has ubuntu changes?
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: sorry I was afk
[12:01] <gnomefreak> we have debian1.1.x
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: (feisty_chroot)root@paleo:/home/hjmf# apt-get install gtk-qt-engine-dbgsym
[12:01] <hjmf> Reading package lists... Done
[12:01] <hjmf> Building dependency tree
[12:01] <hjmf> Reading state information... Done
[12:01] <hjmf> gtk-qt-engine-dbgsym is already the newest version.
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: maybe another buggy dbgsym?
[12:01] <asac> hjmf: what files are in there?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> asac: yes mine has all our changes
[12:01] <asac> who owns the "debian" mirror branch?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> i didnt think the debian branch was auto updated
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: whats the parent branch of your branch?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: you but i can upload iirc
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... i did it once afaik
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see
[12:02] <hjmf> asac: pasting:
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess you started your branch by branching from that "upstream mirror branch", right?
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: yes i think so
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde3
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kcmgtk.so
[12:03] <asac> hjmf: hmm ... do you see any warnings during retrace?
[12:05] <hjmf> asac: none related to that liberaries
[12:05] <hjmf> asac: pasting:
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: library linux-gate.so.1 not available to ldd -- skipping
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: library /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.5.so not known to firefox 2.0.0.4+1-0ubuntu1 dependencies (using libc6-i686 2.5-0ubuntu14)
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: library /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.11/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so not known to firefox 2.0.0.4+1-0ubuntu1 dependencies (using sun-java5-bin 1.5.0-11-1ubuntu2)
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: version 2.2.1-5ubuntu1.1 of package libfreetype6-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: package libgcc1-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: package libc6-i686-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: package sun-java5-bin-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> $
[12:06] <asac> hjmf: what size has /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so compared to the original libqtengine.so ?
[12:07] <hjmf> asac: it is quite smaller
[12:07] <hjmf> (feisty_chroot)root@paleo:/home/hjmf# ls -l /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:07] <hjmf> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  22753 Mar 30 22:37 /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:07] <hjmf> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131652 Mar 30 22:37 /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:09] <hjmf> asac: I'm off for working till this evening.
[12:09] <asac> hjmf: ok
[12:09] <asac> hjmf: cu
[12:09] <hjmf> asac: I just had few free minutes, cu :)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> have fun hjmf
[12:14] <DarkMageZ> i saw the libqtengine.so warning when retracing something eariler. i'm correct in asking people to retry with a normal theme?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: btw working on getting jabber up and running but ran into a snag so sometime today ill try to figure it out (would like to get 1.1.2 built first but we will see what happens
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: not that important
[12:19] <asac> DarkMageZ: yes
[12:19] <asac> DarkMageZ: libqtengine crashes a lot ... not just mozilla
[12:20] <DarkMageZ> if they're a kde user, how do we tell them to change their theme? i'm guessing they don't have gnome-theme-manager
[12:20] <gnomefreak> asac: iceape or jabber?
[12:21] <asac> jabber
[12:21] <asac> i am currently pushing iceape
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:23] <gnomefreak> yeah i know jabber isnt important ;)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> btw i apporved jen for membership on her good work with Admiral_Chicago on clue files
[12:31] <asac> fine
[01:04] <gnomefreak> asac: did you check your email yet?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> asac: you should have email from pitti rejecting iceape for gutsy
[01:18] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... i will reupload with those files removed
[01:18] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[04:47] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 106692 happens (atleast from what ive seen) because alternatives wasnt set to use right java. This is also a problem on windows and IE i had to fix this for someone on windows ~2 months ago but have also seen it in ubuntu and ther eis a bug on it already iirc
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106692 in firefox "linux feisty java load error" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106692
[04:48] <gnomefreak> alot of java applets fail to load i cant remember if its just java6 or if 5 also did it though
[04:49] <asac> so it is a java packaging error?
[04:50] <asac> Riddell: you have any idea how i can install a plugin (like flash) in konqueror?
[04:50] <asac> Riddell: is there something like .mozilla/plugins/ for konqueror?
[04:52] <gnomefreak> asac: i havent tested enough yet but i have seen it maybe 10 times in a few months from other people never had the issue myself
[04:53] <Riddell> asac: that very same place.  then  Settings -> Konqueror -> Plugins -> Scan for new plugins
[04:53] <gnomefreak> asac: you have to use the path in prefferneces in konq
[04:53] <gnomefreak> or scan
[04:53] <Riddell> although it should scan on startup too
[04:54] <Riddell> is this about java?  konqueror does that differently
[04:55] <asac> Riddell: I don't see any "Plugins" entry in Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[04:55] <gnomefreak> commenting and testing java issue atm
[04:55] <asac> Riddell: do I need to be root?
[04:55] <asac> Riddell: no its about flash
[04:59] <Riddell> asac: scroll to the bottom of the sidebar in the config dialogue
[04:59] <Riddell> no, user is fine
[05:00] <gnomefreak> this is bad, this is a differnt issue i think than what i was seeing :(
[05:02] <asac> Riddell: i scroll up and down all the time ... i might be blind, but it appears to be not there
[05:02] <asac> Riddell: i am in gutsy
[05:03] <asac> Riddell: last three are "Crypto" "Browser Identification" "Performance" <END OF LIST>
[05:04] <asac> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/Screenshot-Configure%20-%20Konqueror.png
[05:04] <asac> i don't see it there
[05:04] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plugins.png
[05:05] <gnomefreak> asac: this also happens in konqueror
[05:05] <asac> Riddell: interesting ... maybe i need some special package for that option to appear?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> this is bad and i have a feeling its java for the above reason but will be looking into it
[05:05] <Riddell> asac: try installing konqueror-nsplugins
[05:06] <gnomefreak> Riddell: konq uses system wide java right no need to add it to prefferneces?
[05:07] <asac> Riddell: yes that did the trick
[05:07] <asac> Riddell: thanks a lot
[05:07] <gnomefreak> this is really bad. it fails in konq and in firefox but works in epiphany
[05:08] <gnomefreak> that would mean browser fault afaics
[05:10] <gnomefreak> Riddell: what is source package for konqueror?
[05:11] <gnomefreak> ah kdebase
[05:13] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: you know how far OpenID implementation is in Firefox 3?
[05:14] <AlexLatchford> or if it will indeed make it?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: nope sorry
[05:15] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes, just loads it from the command line
[05:15] <Riddell> gnomefreak: kdebase
[05:15] <Riddell> asac: that's handy to know :)
[05:15] <gnomefreak> it looks like a browser isseu for ff and konq atm
[05:15] <gnomefreak> im testing a few others to see what happens
[05:16] <asac> Riddell: actually it looks like khtml has a javascript bug that prevents youtube to work :/
[05:16] <gnomefreak> Riddell: i added kdebase task to bug 106692
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106692 in firefox "linux feisty java load error" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106692
[05:16] <Riddell> asac: err, it worked for me last I tried
[05:17] <Riddell> asac: yes, working fine in gutsy for me
[05:17] <gnomefreak> lmao @ galeon
[05:17] <asac> interesting
[05:17] <asac> Riddell: ok i will dig into it a bit
[05:17] <Riddell> asac: this is with adobe flash?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> its reseting itself on it since it cant load it. resetting itself == goes back to first page
[05:18] <asac> no :)
[05:18] <gnomefreak> 64bit :(
[05:18] <asac> Riddell: gnash ... which works like a charm in firefox et al
[05:18] <gnomefreak> we really need more non gecko browsers
[05:23] <Riddell> asac: that could be it then, probably not well tested.  but if you grab the details and report on bugs.kde.org, KHTML upstream are quite responsive these days
[05:23] <asac> Riddell: i will figure out with gnash devs ... if they don't see the problem on their side, i will post a bug :)
[05:26] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: do you have upstream version of firefox 2.0.0.3 or .4?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: also what is last trunk build in repos 20070601?
[05:27] <AlexLatchford> .4
[05:28] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: if its upstream can you test bug 106692 on it
[05:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106692 in firefox "linux feisty java load error" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106692
[05:29] <AlexLatchford> trunk.. I haven't got installed currently
[05:29] <AlexLatchford> had to format a few weeks back and haven't put 3.x on yet
[05:31] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: k ill look and see if we should update it
[05:32] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. that RuneScape bug appears to work for me
[05:32] <gnomefreak> in upstream ff?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: and your using java6?
[05:33] <AlexLatchford> in Ubuntu firefox
[05:33] <AlexLatchford> whatever the newest one is in the MT rep
[05:33] <AlexLatchford> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0-b105
[05:33] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: need you to test upstream or standard ubuntu firefox package
[05:34] <gnomefreak> or ill grab upstream and do it sometime today
[05:34] <AlexLatchford> I am using the Standard Ubuntu Firefox
[05:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[05:36] <gnomefreak> k thank you for testing
[05:36] <AlexLatchford> No probs..
[05:49] <asac> so what is the problem
[05:49] <asac> with java?
[05:49] <asac> can someone summarize?
[05:50] <gnomefreak> upstream issue
[05:50] <gnomefreak> java applet fails to load
[05:50] <gnomefreak> tells you you nee djava
[05:51] <gnomefreak> the install missing plugins pop up bar comes up and click here to download plugin in the aplet window (this also happens on upstream 2.0.0.4 with sun-java6-plugin feisty and gutsy
[05:52] <gnomefreak> may tag it as upstream but im not 100% sure its not java issue but im 75% sure its browser
[05:59] <gnomefreak> gonna try with java5 in a few minutes
[06:09] <gnomefreak> asac: can you use the testcase and try to reproduce on 64 pc? feisty or gutsy, im assuming there is a 64bit sun-java package
[06:09] <asac> there is no 64bit java plugin :)
[06:10] <asac> though there is 64bit java package (which actually is 32bit)
[06:10] <gnomefreak> oh
[06:10] <asac> until we have nspluginwrapper (which I am supposed to write the spec for) ... we don't have java plugin in firefox
[06:10] <gnomefreak> it only works on epiphany and i dont like that at all
[06:11] <gnomefreak> works == works as expected
[06:11] <asac> gnomefreak: have you tried to install upstream java plugin?
[06:11] <asac> e.g. in .mozilla/plugins
[06:12] <gnomefreak> no
[06:12] <asac> upstream ffox will not pick up our global sun install
[06:12] <gnomefreak> gonna try sun-java5-plugin
[06:12] <asac> so to test it you have to to install upstream java
[06:12] <gnomefreak> oic
[06:12] <asac> not our package
[06:13] <gnomefreak> i figure works with java5 fails on java6 theres a huge chance its java issue
[06:25] <gnomefreak> asac: do you use german locales for firefox?
[06:27] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 52514
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52514 in kubuntu-meta "German language-support isnt installed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52514
[06:31] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see
[06:31] <asac> (no i never use locales)
[06:32] <gnomefreak> me neither, im not even sure how to make use of them. i didnt notice it was rejected and i didnt see anyone comment on it
[06:32] <asac> because I would ask the same ignorant thing like freddy did: "How are you installing German language pack? For what reason?"
[06:32] <asac> :)
[06:32] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:33] <asac> thats a funny question : "why would someone install a language pack" :)
[06:33] <asac> gnomefreak: the bug has been rejected ... so lets not care
[06:33] <asac> i don't get the problem out of the bug
[06:34] <gnomefreak> oh ok ill re reject it than but he did answer back
[06:34] <asac> its completely open what fails
[06:34] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe ask him what package isn't installed
[06:34] <asac> ""language settings" I get a warning that the language support for german isn't completely installed and some packages are downloaded."
[06:34] <asac> which package is it?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> i asked
[06:38] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: updating trunk to 20070608 and i dont see anything about openID whiles its updating from cvs svn or whatever its grabbing it from
[06:39] <gnomefreak> not real sure what it is or does but ill look around the release notes from mozilla and see if they tell me anything sometime this week
[06:42] <asac> gnomefreak: openid?
[06:42] <asac> has support landed?
[06:42] <asac> does it fail to build or what?
[06:43] <gnomefreak> im looking atm
[06:43] <gnomefreak> not yet
[06:45] <gnomefreak> doesnt look like it landed yet
[06:46] <gnomefreak> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/01/firefox_30_requ.html
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm glad my questions about language packs was useful :)
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> multiple languages...who needs that anyways? Just use Esperanto
[06:48] <gnomefreak> the password manager has been re-writen for trunk build
[06:48] <gnomefreak> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-alpha-5-is-out/
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> yea. /me need to download Alpha 5
[06:48] <gnomefreak> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/01/planned-features-for-firefox-3/
[06:48] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: its in my repo
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> after i eat and grab lunch.
[06:48] <gnomefreak> it should be updated to the nightly of the 8th tonight or tomorrow
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: sweet, i have the repo still
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: did that nasty libhunspeller bug get fixed, it prevented me from typing a paper last time
[06:49] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago:  a long time ago
[06:50] <gnomefreak> like withina  week of finding it
[06:50] <gnomefreak> 3 days maybe
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> deb http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main
[06:50] <gnomefreak> looks right
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> cool
[06:50] <gnomefreak> !moztest | Admiral_Chicago
[06:50] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago: The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll do an update noe
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> now*
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm its only updating thunderbird...
[06:53] <gnomefreak> will only update what you have installed
[06:53] <gnomefreak> ;)
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i have firefox installed, its the web browser i use
[06:53] <gnomefreak> firefox-trunk?
[06:54] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: how the  hell can i remove plugins from konqueror :(
[06:54] <gnomefreak> or just firefox
[06:54] <gnomefreak> asac: lol
[06:54] <asac> this application kills me
[06:54] <asac> it is just soo implicit
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> thats a good question. let me look
[06:54] <gnomefreak> asac: sudo apt-get remove --purge konqueror
[06:54] <asac> i removed konqueror-nsplugins package
[06:54] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:54] <asac> but that just forgot about the "preference" dialog
[06:54] <asac> the previously discovered plugins are still there
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i neeed firefox-trunk? okay cool let me install that
[06:55] <asac> ok its a file called: .kde/share/apps/nsplugins/pluginsinfo
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: firefox-trunk is firefox 3.0
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> thats was my suggestion after checking configure konqueror, plugins
[06:56] <asac> and konqueror-nsplugins is apparently just the confiugration UI ... which unfortunately allows you to find new plugins, but never remove existing ones :/
[06:56] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: is there no UI way to disable specific plugins?
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> installing trunk
[06:57] <asac> ok ... i will remove that directory now :)
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: settings >> configure konqueror >> plugings
[06:57] <asac> yeah .. .that allows me to find new plugins
[06:57] <asac> but i fail to see how to remove all discovered
[06:57] <gnomefreak> ok gone
[06:58] <asac> hehe ... just removed .kde in my HOME :)
[06:58] <asac> hope that helps :)
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a remove button.
[06:58] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i only see a remove button to disable places where to search for new plugins
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> ah.
[06:59] <asac> it doesn't disable plugins for me that konqueror previously found at that place :)
[06:59] <asac> they just get entrenched in the guts of .kde :)
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm not a big fan of konqueror...slower for me
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> and i can't middle click to close a tab, that bother me to no extent.
[07:01] <asac> i think now its confirmed that klash doesn't work at all :)
[07:03] <Admiral_Chicago> never used it
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i've got the trunk installed, how to launch it...
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> might be related to my button in the panel
[07:05] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: menu
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> yep i see it now
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[07:27] <Admiral_Chicago> firefox's set desktop background failes for KDE
[08:27] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yes ... there is a patch in our bts for that, but it doesn't look good enough to apply
[08:28] <asac> ... should work though
[08:37] <gnomefreak> asac: our changes to iceape conflicts with mikes 5 files maybe 20+ things including -enable-system-nss -nspr and so on
[08:37] <gnomefreak> pretty much everything we added
[08:39] <gnomefreak> mozconfig has a bunch of things that conflict, you might want to take a look at it also the 99_config patch has a bunch
[08:40] <gnomefreak> trunk is still building and i have to go out, ill be gone for a few hours thanks to one of my doctors :(
[08:41] <gnomefreak> the 5 files are debian/changelog debian/control debian/iceape-browser.install debian/mozconfig debian/patches/99_configure.dpatch
[08:41] <gnomefreak> bbl
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> yes i saw the patch, i didn't like it for the same reasons you didn't
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> source == svn
[11:13] <gnomefreak> oops i built ffox-trunk for gutsy :(
[11:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: what tags do you want to add?
[11:13] <asac> or change?
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm stuck building KDE4 from SVN, i'm getting some error building kdelibs that i can't figure out.
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'm thinking using the mt-needinfo tag if it needs infromation
[11:14] <asac> what kind of info is bug 68230 lacking?
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68230 in firefox "[edgy]  right click for popup menus on status bar triggers menu items" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68230
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: the last comment wasn't there went i ran bughelper and noticed it
[11:16] <asac> why is mt-needtestcase wrong?
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm thinking its a bug related to how extensions call GTK...
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i added it because it doesn't seem reproduceable. i saw it and added the tag
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> so bughelper wouldn't kick out the information
[11:17] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: seems like we need a case in the clue file for no tag as well
[11:17] <asac> why?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> asac: that is an extension issue im fairly sure on that. his problematic comment is it works fine under kde. gtk is still drawing ff
[11:17] <asac> i mean mt-needtestcase is appropriate until we have a description on how to reproduce
[11:18] <asac> then it goes to mt-needtester, until someone reliable can confirm that the testcase works
[11:18] <gnomefreak> is this me or have i seen a good amount of bugs on firebug
[11:18] <asac> if all this is there, then things go to Confirmed/mt-eval ... where the thinking happens
[11:18] <asac> like: is it really a firefox issue, or is it a gtk issue ... or an extension issue
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: if there is no tag applied, bughelper says "Wrong Status/Tag-Combination for Status"
[11:19] <asac> gnomefreak: hehe
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> which is a problem
[11:19] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yeah which is right
[11:19] <gnomefreak> i doubt gtk since it doesnt happen on kde
[11:19] <gnomefreak> unless its using gtk-qt-*
[11:19] <gnomefreak> or whatever that lib is called
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems like that shouldn't happern howevere
[11:20] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: exactly ... the strict tag/state combinations are there to discover triaging bugs
[11:20] <asac> e.g. people set to need info without explicitly stating what info is needed before we can move on
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't follow...
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i am unable to reproduce in gutsy i will try feisty. if its fixed in feisty we should fix release it as its fixed in feisty
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see.
[11:21] <gnomefreak> need to find out is it just ffox that has this issue or another browser or whatver
[11:22] <asac> consider this: when I started bugs where randomly Confirmed or Needs Info ... without following any rules
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> so it'll cause bughelper to spit out an incorrect bug triage because it doesn't have a tag/..
[11:22] <asac> yeah
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> great.
[11:22] <asac> most likely this means that someone who doesn't know what he is doing changed the bug state
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i wasn't aware the reason for that...
[11:22] <asac> people open confirm because they want to do that
[11:22] <asac> but which si wrong
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i know what you mean
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> okay great
[11:22] <asac> by having these two-components (tag/state) we can discover these "triaging bugs"
[11:23] <asac> otherwise we are lost :)
[11:23] <gnomefreak> btw meeting on 26th at 1800UTC good for everyone?
[11:23] <JenFraggle> i would like to but can't
[11:25] <gnomefreak> how about the 3rd if 26th isnt good for anyone
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we should just set a date ... and then go for it.
[11:25] <asac> its unlikely that we will find a date/time where everybody can attend :)
[11:26] <JenFraggle> tuesdays are bad for me, are they always then?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> 26th than i will ping nixternal about it in a few if you cant make it item gets pushed
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: hes on his way to school
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: have we ever done meetings on tuesday?
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> always
[11:26] <gnomefreak> JenFraggle: we try to because they have worked well in past but since noone answers my posts i cant tell you whats good for anyone :)
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: good for me
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: have we ever not
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: every meeting has been on tues
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> we could move it though
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: ok then its fine ... i think we should rotate the weekday
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> if 3/5 of the council is there, that would be good
[11:27] <gnomefreak> agreed
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: then lets not do tuesday this time
[11:27] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: which actually would be 3/4
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> every day works for me
[11:28] <asac> since david will probably not show up
[11:28] <gnomefreak> k give me a few to  think and look at schedule
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yea that may need to be discussed..
[11:28] <gnomefreak> JenFraggle: what day next week is good for you?
[11:28] <asac> anyone wants to ping david?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i sent email
[11:28] <asac> when?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> thurs. fri.
[11:28] <gnomefreak> one of the two
[11:29] <asac> gnomefreak: what did you ask?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> asac: if everything is ok and whats going on havent seen him ect. i dont remember exactly
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[11:30] <asac> lets wait a bit
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: ah
[11:30] <asac> yeah will send tomorrow
[11:30] <asac> promissed
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> mail the list about the day / time. anything works for me.
[11:36] <gnomefreak> asac: i got to thinking maybe just use the debian dir from the debian branch and re make all our changes (that makes for a long frigging day though)
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: last 4 times i sent to list noone cared to reply
[11:36] <gnomefreak> thats why i ask in here now
[11:37] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[11:37] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 12 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: oh ... alpha5 is really out
[11:37] <gnomefreak> 21st at 1800 is what im thinking atm
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: its been out
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: the above is about icecrap
[11:37] <asac> i would be happy with wednesday
[11:37] <gnomefreak> wed could work
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok 20th at 1800UTC
[11:38] <asac> 21th would be even more perfect :)
[11:38] <asac> ahead of distro meeting :)
[11:39] <asac> e.g. 18UTC
[11:39] <asac> or 19UTC
[11:39] <gnomefreak> there i sent the pm
[11:40] <gnomefreak> 21st at 1800
[11:41] <gnomefreak> btw i also have part of the post to forums done i just need ideas on what to add if anyone has any
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: where can i read?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> well installing ff on edgy to test bug but it will be a bit
[11:43] <gnomefreak> asac: give me a minute ill post it
[11:43] <asac> k
[11:43] <asac> short break
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: feel free to hack the hell out of it http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/559753
[11:46] <gnomefreak> before i can say for bug traige look here we need a damn wiki that discribes how to triage (lowest level to most advanced) asac btw see Admiral_Chicago about someone that triaged 8-9 bugs as a dupe of one and it wasnt same
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i think posting after meeting would be best unless we can come up with ideas before than
[11:49] <JenFraggle> as a newbie i could check the wiki for how easy it is to understand for fellow newbies when it's done. haven't done any triaging myself so couldn't contribute as such
[11:54] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe we should add the important parts more to top
[11:54] <asac> JenFraggle: sleep well
[11:54] <asac> JenFraggle: have you read the wiki about bug states and tags?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> night JenFraggle dont be scared to ask anything
[11:56] <gnomefreak> define important? i was thinking most important is to let people know about the team :)
[11:57] <asac> gnomefreak: let me move around a bit
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: hack it as you wish repost it and see what it looks like (personally i trust you to hack as you wish i just dont want to be suprised and not know an answer
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: would you rather i post it so you can wget it?
[11:57] <asac> he?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> on edgy i am unable to reproduce the bug above
[11:58] <gnomefreak> asac: would it be easier to do it locally than on pastebin? i can upload so you can wget it and move things
[11:58] <asac> actually i am not a native speaker, so i would like someone with *the native feeling* to read and write it properly
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: no looks fine
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i dont need to set up a gutsy repo do i?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> btw jabber+bitlbee+irssi blow
[12:01] <gnomefreak> noone can figure it out
[12:02] <asac> ui
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: do you know gajim?
[12:02] <asac> its pretty great jabber application
[12:02] <gnomefreak> nope never heard of it
[12:03] <gnomefreak> installing to see it
[12:10] <gnomefreak> local host isnt in the server choices
[12:10] <gnomefreak> localhost even
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> really?
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> works fine over here...
[12:11] <gnomefreak> yep and it doesnt connect to localhost here either
[12:14] <gnomefreak> is there another way to hit that server maybe from another server name?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> like irc.ubuntu.com connects to irc.freenode.net
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ah ha
[12:16] <gnomefreak> im there i think
[12:17] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try this now
[12:18] <gnomefreak> still wont connect to localhost on irssi
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec...
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> the only bug related to bitlbee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitlbee/+bug/108855
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108855 in bitlbee "bitlbee fails to start in feisty (netkit-inetd depend gone awol)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> which i don't think is related
[12:21] <gnomefreak> will find out
[12:23] <gnomefreak> ha that work around wont work