[12:28] <superm1> how you get your guide data
[12:28] <superm1> you can see the initial configuration page section of this page
[12:28] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[12:28] <CDG52> so i would guess i need to set up an xmltv account
[12:28] <superm1> for more information about it
[12:28] <superm1> and how to configure things in mythtv-setup
[12:33] <CDG52> so i got my zap2it account
[12:34] <CDG52> and now i can scan for channels
[12:34] <CDG52> wait nvm
[12:34] <CDG52> different sectin
[12:34] <CDG52> o wait it scans
[12:34] <CDG52> but finds nothing
[12:35] <superm1> you shouldnt need to scan with a zap2it account
[12:35] <superm1> the channel data is provided with the guides
[01:02] <CDG52> ok now im confused
[01:02] <CDG52> went through the whole setup
[01:02] <CDG52> and i run mythfrontend
[01:02] <CDG52> and it says cant connect to backend
[01:02] <CDG52> still
[01:02] <superm1> is the log showing it running now
[01:02] <superm1> (/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log)
[01:03] <CDG52> same issue
[01:03] <superm1> did you try to restart the backend process?
[01:03] <superm1> or no
[01:04] <CDG52> i dont know how
[01:04] <superm1> ah okay
[01:04] <superm1> just restart the PC
[01:04] <CDG52> ill reset the computer
[01:04] <superm1> it will be the easiest
[01:04] <CDG52> im pritty sure its gonna blackscreen me
[01:04] <superm1> (given sudo permissions and such)
[01:04] <CDG52> again instead of reboot
[01:05] <CDG52> my biggest question is why does it blackscreen me when it goesto shut down
[01:05] <superm1> at this point - i'm not sure.
[01:06] <CDG52> like numlock works
[01:06] <CDG52> but it shows nothing
[01:06] <superm1> can you ctrl-alt-delete ?
[01:06] <superm1> to restart
[01:06] <CDG52> it beeps and thats it
[01:06] <superm1> or can you alt-sysrq S U B to do it then?
[01:06] <CDG52> huh?
[01:06] <superm1> hold ALT and SYSRQ (Print screen)
[01:07] <superm1> and then in succession
[01:07] <superm1> press
[01:07] <superm1> S
[01:07] <superm1> U
[01:07] <superm1> B
[01:07] <CDG52> ok so frontend started
[01:07] <CDG52> gives me a bluescreen
[01:07] <CDG52> how do i change channels
[01:07] <superm1> gives you a blue screen when you go to "watch tv"?
[01:08] <CDG52> yes
[01:08] <superm1> did you set the input appropriately?  to use coax
[01:08] <superm1> rather than svid/
[01:08] <superm1> composite
[01:08] <CDG52> probably not
[01:08] <CDG52> how would i check that
[01:09] <superm1> mythtv-setup again
[01:09] <CDG52> ok
[01:09] <CDG52> if i knew where my svideo adaptor was id test this theory out
[01:11] <CDG52> ok found my adaptor
[01:11] <CDG52> and i have a source in the svideo
[01:11] <CDG52> and nothing
[01:11] <CDG52> so i dont htink its that
[01:11] <CDG52> could it be that it didnt detect any channels?
[01:12] <superm1> well it can be that the tuner type wan't properly detected
[01:12] <superm1> if you check dmesg
[01:12] <superm1> for anything related to it
[01:13] <CDG52> why does mythtv hate the mouse?
[01:14] <CDG52> it only shows it if you are over a editable feild
[01:14] <CDG52> and scanning for channels returns nothing
[01:15] <CDG52> and now i cant exit the setup
[01:15] <CDG52> lol
[01:17] <CDG52> o its finnaly getting channels
[01:17] <CDG52> i had to switch it to cable something front another cable setting it had it on
[01:22] <CDG52> well i got some tv working
[01:23] <CDG52> the spanish channel and relegion channel -_-
[01:23] <CDG52> but no sound
[01:30] <superm1> CDG52, sorry stepped out for a few min
[01:30] <superm1> so the mouse thing,
[01:30] <superm1> its disabled by default
[01:31] <superm1> it can be turned on in the appearance sectoin
[01:31] <CDG52> o good
[01:31] <superm1> as for sound
[01:31] <superm1> those bt8x8 cards, dont they need to send sound over a line in
[01:31] <superm1> or something to that effect?
[01:31] <superm1> i don't know for sure
[01:31] <CDG52> not sure
[01:32] <CDG52> i can get a cable to do line in
[01:32] <superm1> is there a line out jack on the back of the card?
[01:32] <CDG52> ah yeah in my windows computer i had a internal connectioend to a linein
[01:32] <CDG52> and yes there is
[01:33] <CDG52> the tv also appears to be gittery
[01:34] <CDG52> ok so i pluged in the input audio and nothing
[01:34] <CDG52> do i have to inable input?
[01:34] <CDG52> enable
[01:35] <superm1> hm i'm not 100% on how you configure beyond that point -
[01:35] <superm1> was there an option
[01:35] <superm1> in mythtv-setup
[01:35] <superm1> when you went through
[01:35] <CDG52> i dont remember
[01:35] <superm1> to say which place to get audio
[01:35] <superm1> say /dev/dsp or anything like that
[01:36] <CDG52> o yeah
[01:36] <CDG52> theres that option
[01:36] <superm1> and it was set to /dev/dsp
[01:36] <superm1> and what audio input?
[01:36] <CDG52> idk
[01:36] <CDG52> i have to enter that again
[01:36] <CDG52> but my mouse stoped working
[01:36] <superm1> ok
[01:36] <superm1> either that or
[01:36] <CDG52> so i cant right click anymore on the desktop
[01:36] <superm1> alsamixer -V capture
[01:37] <superm1> will let you adjust capture sources
[01:37] <superm1> and volumes
[01:37] <superm1> so you can toy there too
[01:38] <CDG52> ok
[01:38] <CDG52> i hope the mouse works this time around
[01:38] <CDG52> when on screen 2 know how to shut down mythfront?
[01:38] <CDG52> in screen1
[01:39] <superm1> ctrl alt left
[01:39] <superm1> gets you back to screen 1
[01:39] <superm1> or killall mythfrontend
[01:40] <superm1> note that will restart the x session
[01:40] <CDG52> yeah thats what i didnt want lol
[01:43] <CDG52> what is us-cable-hrc?
[01:43] <CDG52> and irc
[01:44] <superm1> higher channel numbers
[01:44] <superm1> dont worry about them
[01:44] <superm1> you likely want us-cable
[01:49] <CDG52> ok
[01:49] <CDG52> hmm i guess it would be good to have my zap2it set correctly also
[01:49] <superm1> :)
[03:40] <superm1> keescook, do you have experience debugging kernel oops' that seem to happen during scheduling?
[04:01] <OpenMedia> Sounds nasty. What kernel are you on
[04:05] <superm1> OpenMedia, its been an ongoing issue for a box i built last year
[04:05] <superm1> every 24 hours or so it would freeze
[04:05] <superm1> but it was headless
[04:05] <superm1> its a feisty box (with latest feisty kernel)
[04:06] <OpenMedia> What capture cards?
[04:06] <superm1> See thats the thing, i pulled all capture cards out
[04:06] <superm1> to rule that out
[04:06] <superm1> i originally thought it was a pvr-350 dying
[04:06] <OpenMedia> Ah but are they still mapped in the backend
[04:06] <superm1> backend isnt even running :)
[04:07] <superm1> i'd love to get this box back up as a backend, but this stability issue is just a huge show stopper
[04:07] <OpenMedia> Ah.. Real problem
[04:07] <OpenMedia> Done the usual stuff? Memtest and disk checks
[04:07] <superm1> yup
[04:08] <superm1> the kernel oops is always the same thing - its always the same RIP in neigh_periodic_timer
[04:08] <superm1> memtest was clean, and DFT passed on all 5 drives
[04:09] <superm1> i was thinking heat originally, but even with case side off and a desk fan blowing right at it, (sensors indicates more than acceptable temperatures)
[04:09] <OpenMedia> What sort of hardware, and any CPU throttling?
[04:09] <superm1> same thing
[04:09] <superm1> amd64, and it had powernow on before
[04:09] <superm1> but i since then disabled it
[04:09] <superm1> to rule that out
[04:09] <OpenMedia> SMP
[04:10] <superm1> single core
[04:10] <OpenMedia> LAN?
[04:10] <superm1> gigabit on board nforce based
[04:11] <OpenMedia> forcedeth then.. Any cards or USB devices?
[04:11] <superm1> a parallel ata adapter silicon image man.
[04:11] <superm1> but no usb
[04:12] <OpenMedia> I use some SIL cards under Centos.
[04:12] <superm1> the sil card and the hard drives and ram carried over from an old system
[04:13] <superm1> i'd have no way to rule that card out though
[04:13] <superm1> big messy lvm that its part of
[04:14] <OpenMedia> Sorry got me beat.
[04:14] <superm1> the unfortunate thing is no kernel core dump is made :(
[04:14] <superm1> since its an oops during cpu scheduling
[04:14] <superm1> so i'm thinking serial console might be the only way to catch it
[04:15] <superm1> aye, i've tried to beat this thing to death figuring it out since last august
[04:15] <superm1> so i'm searching for straws
[04:16] <OpenMedia> Nasty.. So this was happening with Dapper/Edgy as well
[04:16] <superm1> well i built the box on a feisty alpha
[04:17] <superm1> since feisty was just a month away at the end of august
[04:17] <OpenMedia> Anything old left behind?
[04:17] <superm1> i've considered just wiping it to go 32 bit and rule that out
[04:17] <OpenMedia> Feisty was April.
[04:17] <superm1> woah, my mix up :)
[04:18] <superm1> it was edgy :)
[04:18] <superm1> and moved to feisty
[04:18] <OpenMedia> Ah.. ok.
[04:18] <OpenMedia> Yeah i'
[04:18] <superm1> but it was an edgy alpha then at that point
[04:18] <superm1> and did happen in edgy too
[04:18] <OpenMedia> I'd try a 32bit build just in case.
[04:19] <superm1> just need to find time to do that yet
[04:20] <OpenMedia> Know the feeling :)
[04:25] <OpenMedia> Back soon.
[04:39] <CDG52> so anyone know the min size hd to watch live tv with mythbox?
[04:39] <CDG52> i had a 1.5gb hd for the os and everything
[04:39] <CDG52> and i think it filled up lol
[04:39] <CDG52> because the computer frooze
[04:39] <CDG52> and now it wont boot
[04:39] <CDG52> but atleast i know what to do this time around
[04:40] <CDG52> sept for the sound part
[04:40] <CDG52> and quality still sucks
[04:45] <superm1> 1.5gb???
[04:45] <superm1> thats it ???
[04:45] <superm1> thats hardly going to be enough, especially with a bt8x8 card :)
[05:09] <OpenMedia> You'd want atleast 5Gb for the buffer volume these days
[05:09] <OpenMedia> I use an old 10G driver for some prototyping as the 6Gb was a bit small for OS + content
[05:24] <superm1> the mythbuntu install itself won't take more than 1.5 gigs, but I would recommend that you leave at least 5 for expansion for the OS, and then as much as possible for the rest of the content
[05:29] <OpenMedia> We currently use 4 or 5G for myPVR systems
[05:29] <OpenMedia> Just a single / plus 1Gb of Swap
[05:29] <superm1> ah
[05:30] <superm1> yea it leaves plenty of room for expansion there
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> Superm1, you around
[05:56] <tgm4883_laptop> had a quick question, maybe it's nothing.  Something I read and related back to problems I heard about mythtv and database corruption.  Perhaps it has been fixed, or maybe never existed
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> but recently I have been hearing about how mysql has so many problems and that postgresql is sooo much better.  Just wanted someone elses opinion on that
[05:58] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i'm here
[05:58] <superm1> there have been several instances that i've seen of database corruption
[05:58] <superm1> no real reason why that i've identified though
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, just something that i had been thinking about
[05:59] <superm1> because its been to the point that from a fresh install some people randomly get corruption, others dont even when installing the 'mythtv' metapackage
[05:59] <superm1> unfortunately mythtv doesnt have support for anything but mysql though
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont know much about postgresql
[05:59] <superm1> unless this has changed within the last few months
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:59] <superm1> and i didnt hear about it
[06:00] <tgm4883_laptop> that should be an option, for people that already have it installed and setup
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> it wasn't something that I had heard for mythtv, just heard that postgresql was better, then remembered I had heard about mythtv and database corruption, and I made the connection and question
[06:01] <superm1> ideally i'd like to find how this corruption was even happening in the first place
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> True, corruption is bad in any instance
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> And that should be found and fixed, whereever the problem is
[06:03] <superm1> hopefully it will pop up during a few mythbuntu installs as we near alpha 2 and and such
[06:03] <superm1> and we can get more empirical data since it is happening in that clean env.
[06:04] <tgm4883_laptop> although it would be nice to have different database options for people that already have databases setup.  Although i dont know if the programming required for that would be too extensive
[06:04] <tgm4883_laptop> well i will try to corrupt it
[06:04] <superm1> it will be very extensive to add support for multiple options
[06:05] <tgm4883_laptop> although i usually try to do the opposite :)
[06:05] <tgm4883_laptop> thats what i figured
[06:05] <superm1> and its more appropriate to do such a thing upstream
[06:05] <superm1> than at ubuntu-mythtv / mythbuntu level
[06:05] <superm1> no needs to "try" to corrupt it.  it is seemingly all random when it happens :)
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> oh definetly something that should be upstream
[06:06] <superm1> so hopefully it just 'happens' to one of us
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> true, but i could install it and try to use it certain ways.  I'll see if I can research what people are doing when it happens through the forums
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> although i probably wont be able to gather hardware data on these individuals
[06:07] <superm1> i dont think its caused by a particular hardware liekly
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> probably not, but i figure i gotta look at all posibilities
[06:08] <superm1> and it did happen to me *once* in a VM back when I was doing the new mysql support for the packages
[06:08] <superm1> a few months ago
[06:08] <superm1> but I could never reproduce it
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i hope .21 gets released soon, it has  a lot of the features i want :)
[06:09] <superm1> i'm staying away from that new features page
[06:09] <tgm4883_laptop> oh yea?
[06:09] <superm1> dont want to be too excited
[06:10] <superm1> you know we might not be that far away from it though
[06:10] <superm1> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, looking good
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> I had a thought about a feature for firewire, but not sure how it would work
[06:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i have noticed that sometimes i won't be able to get recordings over firewire until i reprime the firewire connection
[06:13] <tgm4883_laptop> I also noticed that mythtv knows when it's not getting a recording
[06:13] <superm1> it knows in the sense that the file size is 0
[06:13] <superm1> but how else?
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> i only noticed that in mythweb that it has the show size listed as B
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> and B isn't a number that I have heard of
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> so i figured it knew
[06:15] <superm1> does repriming the connection in the middle of use hurt?
[06:15] <superm1> as in ruin the recording?
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> thats the thing though, there is no recording
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> thats why i have to reprime
[06:15] <superm1> well the reason i ask
[06:15] <superm1> maybe consider putting together a cron job
[06:15] <superm1> that would try to reprime every 30 min or so
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> in an idle situation, i wouldn't have to reprime, but thats asking too much of the cable company
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> that would work, but one problem
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> For some reason, i cannot reprime when the cable box is on the same channel
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> so the steps i perform to reprime is
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> 1.  manually change the channel on the cable box
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> 2.  run the firewire primer script after sshing into the box
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> so it's step 1 that causes the problem
[06:17] <superm1> thats a pretty nasty hack to have to do
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, it doesn't happen often.  Maybe once a week.  And maybe the problem will go away when the firewire drivers mature
[06:19] <superm1> i would guess this only happens on certain stations too?
[06:19] <superm1> well wait, you say once a week
[06:19] <superm1> you know what it might be
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> whats that?
[06:19] <superm1> the cable company may push a firmware update to the box
[06:19] <superm1> forcing a soft reboot on it
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, hadn't thought about that
[06:20] <superm1> in which case that would make perfect sense why you had to reprime
[06:20] <superm1> the old settings were lost on the reboot of it
[06:20] <superm1> so has this happened consistently at the same time every week?
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll have to check, logically they would increase the firmware version # right?
[06:21] <superm1> logically yes
[06:21] <tgm4883_laptop> could be, i haven't done that much watching of it
[06:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ill get the firmware number of it and keep a log of when it happens
[06:21] <superm1> you can setup your priming script to change the channel for you via firewire too
[06:22] <superm1> via the 6200ch app (or the sa3250 equiv)
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, that might work, although would cause a problem in a cron script (unless they do it at the same time each week)
[06:23] <superm1> my cable co never did updates that frequently, but never know with yours
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll check it out, see what I can come up with
[06:23] <superm1> (of course i'm saying back when i had firewire - haven't had it for about 1 yr now)
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> did i see on here a couple days ago about a lightscribe plugin?
[06:24] <superm1> if so, i missed said discussion
[06:24] <tgm4883_laptop> I got to start logging this channel so i can go back
[06:25] <superm1> its already logged at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[06:25] <tgm4883_laptop> thats even better
[06:26] <superm1> my local logs show June 07 at 11:27CST laga and maniacxs
[06:26] <superm1> maniacxs seems to have a lightscribe patch for mytharchive
[06:26] <superm1> interesting
[06:26] <superm1> laga, do you know who this manicxs is?
[06:26] <superm1> and where said patch is?
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> I would be interested in knowing what that patch does and testing said patch when I get my new lightscribe drive
[06:27] <superm1> i think the LaCie drives have a linux app
[06:27] <superm1> for lightscribe
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yea they do
[06:28] <superm1> http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10803
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> although it doesn't require a lacie drive (worked with my HP)
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> but my HP broke, lasted less than a year
[06:29] <superm1> ah
[06:29] <tgm4883_laptop> wonder what the script would print on the dvd?
[06:30] <superm1> the metadata i'd guess
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> cause my handwritting sucks
[06:31] <superm1> we'll have to see what laga says when he comes back
[06:31] <superm1> about it
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> :( After reading the .21 release notes I still think mythtv is missing a feature
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> although the rest look good
[06:32] <superm1> whats it missing?
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> when your watching live tv, how come there isn't something that (if your using a tuner it needs) that warns you of an upcoming recording?
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> kinda like tivo does?  It's the one reason i don't watch live tv, cause i don't want to mess up my schedule
[06:33] <superm1> there is....
[06:33] <superm1> it tells you that its going to switch
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> really?
[06:34] <superm1> and gives you an option to stick where you are
[06:34] <superm1> and reschedule
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> Sweet, I did not know that
[06:34] <superm1> yea i've seen it come up when my roomates at school watch live tv and i walk into the appt
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> well I take it back, MythTV is the best thing since sliced bread
[06:35] <superm1> haha.  i might have to use that quote at ULive now
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> well its a good idea your keeping away from this page, i cant wait for .21 now
[06:38] <superm1> haha
[06:39] <superm1> i've heard a few from those chatting about them, like recording groups and the mythweb flv player
[06:39] <superm1> but thats about it
[06:40] <tgm4883_laptop> oh no, its all about the flag that shows if you have watched a program or not
[06:44] <superm1> well it would be most ideal if the release was in the next month or two though
[06:44] <superm1> would still give us time to sort out all odds and ends with the packaging
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> yes that would be good
[06:44] <superm1> in time for gutsy
[06:45] <superm1> ah i was gonna mention.  i got my buddy to decide to take up one of the specs that was thrown out here a bit back
[06:45] <superm1> he needed a project for the summer
[06:45] <superm1> so he is going to handle writing the firmware finder
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:45] <superm1> that will detect your cards against a list of cards known to need firmware
[06:46] <superm1> and grab, install, etc
[06:46] <superm1> he's a big gentoo guy though, so it was rough convincing him to do something for mythbuntu.  the selling point was that he could keep it on bzr and eventually get it into gentoo too
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> would it also load any drivers that needed loaded (thinking about feisty and my HD5500)
[06:47] <superm1> that could be a good idea - for it to automatically parse and add to /etc/modules
[06:47] <superm1> i'm not sure if the cx88 bug is going to be fixed for gutsy
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> who does all the plugins, is that the mythtv guys or independent developers?
[06:49] <superm1> which plugins
[06:49] <superm1> mythplugins?
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> like mythweb
[06:49] <superm1> the mythtv guys
[06:50] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> do they do mythvideo too?
[06:51] <superm1> yes
[06:51] <superm1> anything in the mythplugins suite are official plugins
[06:51] <superm1> and part of the mythtv project
[06:51] <superm1> others like mythstream or torrentocracy arent
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:52] <tgm4883_laptop> is there an rss plugin?
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> something like a news ticker at the bottom of the screen?
[06:53] <superm1> not that i know of
[06:53] <superm1> you can probably make one yourself though pretty easy
[06:53] <superm1> with shell scripting
[06:54] <superm1> and the current mythtvosd
[06:54] <tgm4883_laptop> just found the unofficial plugin page
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> looks like i need to install some of these
[06:57] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, if you'd like to package some of these ( or learn to package for that matter), i can see some of them being useful to others too
[06:57] <tgm4883_laptop> i would like that
[06:57] <tgm4883_laptop> some of them are definetly useful
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> man page or something useful to read on packaging?
[06:58] <superm1> !packageguide
[06:58] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> gotta love ubotu
[06:58] <superm1> if you get something basic together, let me know and i'll look it over and give some pointers and such
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> we probably want to keep them seperate right, and have a metapackage for all them
[06:59] <superm1> right
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll try to put something together and let you know
[06:59] <superm1> sounds great
[07:00] <superm1> take your time with them
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> i will
[07:19] <CDG52> so i ran into the issue that my os wont start anymore
[07:19] <CDG52> because my hard drive is full from watching tv
[07:19] <CDG52> which i must say turned out to look like crap
[07:19] <CDG52> very fuzy
[07:19] <CDG52> and almost slow
[07:20] <superm1> CDG52, those bt8x8 cards are very eh quality
[07:20] <CDG52> and its on a 2.6 celerone with 512mb
[07:20] <superm1> did you end up finding a bigger hard drive to work with?
[07:20] <CDG52> i have one.... but idk if i wanna wipe it
[07:20] <CDG52> it has a backup of my old windows os
[07:20] <CDG52> its 20gb
[07:20] <CDG52> and its like full
[07:20] <CDG52> so i couldnt even part it to work with me
[07:21] <CDG52> any suggestions for a new card
[07:21] <CDG52> i think im gonna get this working and connect it up to my projector
[07:21] <superm1> CDG52, PVR-XXX cards
[07:21] <CDG52> but ive been strugling
[07:21] <superm1> 150,250,350,500
[07:21] <CDG52> well i mean by any maker idc if its haupage
[07:21] <superm1> its literally a night and day difference
[07:21] <CDG52> what would you suggest
[07:21] <superm1> the 150
[07:21] <CDG52> you like haupage or ati or nvideo stuff?
[07:22] <CDG52> hmm well ill take a look
[07:22] <CDG52> i think last time i saw one for about $60
[07:22] <CDG52> for the 150 MCE
[07:22] <superm1> well nvidia for a graphics card, hauppauge pvr-150 for capture
[07:22] <CDG52> nvidia makes a capture card
[07:22] <CDG52> same with ati
[07:22] <CDG52> theres a few different companys out there that do it besides hauppauge
[07:22] <superm1> i'd still recommend the hauppauge though
[07:23] <CDG52> and i wondered if there was any other good company
[07:23] <CDG52> ok
[07:23] <CDG52> i got my first hauppauge card years ago
[07:23] <superm1> the pvr-xxx cards are among the most popular with mythtv users
[07:23] <CDG52> back in 97 maybe?
[07:23] <superm1> because they have hardware mpeg2 encoding
[07:23] <CDG52> ah
[07:23] <superm1> the card you have right now puts out raw data
[07:23] <superm1> and has your cpu do all the work
[07:23] <CDG52> know of any dual tunner cards?
[07:23] <CDG52> that require only one cable
[07:23] <superm1> pvr-500
[07:24] <CDG52> is it like $200?
[07:24] <superm1> 110-120
[07:24] <CDG52> o not bad
[07:24] <superm1> i got mine for 130 last year, and costs dropped since then a bit
[07:24] <CDG52> yeah online its $130
[07:24] <CDG52> ah so you have the dual tuner?
[07:25] <CDG52> i dont even know why i want to drop the money for it, i download most of my tv
[07:25] <superm1> i have a pvr-500, a pvr-250, pvr-350, air2pc hd5000, and silicon dust hd homerun
[07:25] <CDG52> o wow why so many?
[07:25] <superm1> well the easy (short) answer is because i've had several mythtv setups that i've merged
[07:26] <superm1> but also, i record from a variety of different sources
[07:26] <CDG52> ah
[07:26] <CDG52> any of those do HD?
[07:26] <superm1> the hd5000 and the hd home run
[07:26] <superm1> both do
[07:26] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, can you put in a few words about the pchdtv 5500 too?
[07:27] <superm1> i believe the pchdtv 5500 does both analog and digital (digital HD)
[07:28] <CDG52> ah
[07:28] <CDG52> think i should get the mce kit or the normal version?
[07:29] <CDG52> for wintv
[07:29] <superm1> wintv?
[07:29] <CDG52> hauppage
[07:29] <CDG52> wintv is there product line
[07:29] <superm1> oh still pvr-xxx cards though
[07:29] <CDG52> yeah
[07:29] <superm1> never knew the full name i guess :)
[07:29] <CDG52> just seems to come with a remote and stuff
[07:29] <CDG52> lol
[07:29] <superm1> thats up to you, if you need a remote and such
[07:29] <CDG52> yeah its really the WinTV-PVR-500
[07:30] <CDG52> well i have a windows remote think that would work?
[07:30] <superm1> do you have a receiver?
[07:30] <CDG52> one of the windows media center remotes
[07:30] <CDG52> yeah
[07:30] <superm1> yea those work
[07:30] <superm1> i use them myself
[07:30] <superm1> actually very decent products
[07:30] <CDG52> getting those to work on a none windows mce was harder then hell
[07:30] <CDG52> i tried to install it on windows xp pro
[07:31] <CDG52> and wow... never had so much trouble in my life
[07:31] <superm1> well eventually we will have setup for them integrated in the mythbuntu installer, but atm they are described on the lirc wiki page
[07:31] <superm1> i'm not sure if ubotu knows about them though
[07:31] <superm1> !lirc
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <superm1> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[07:31] <CDG52> ah
[07:32] <CDG52> darn lol i was hoping to have plug and play
[07:32] <CDG52> o wells
[07:32] <CDG52> i dont need it untill i get sound working anyways
[07:32] <superm1> well the ubuntu media center team is working towards plug and play support, but i dont know their progress on that front
[07:32] <CDG52> ah
[07:33] <CDG52> does the fm radio work in mythtv?
[07:34] <superm1> not in mythtv itself to my knowledge.  there was a 3rd party plugin made for it some time back
[07:34] <CDG52> sorry i ask so many questions but i like it when i can ask someone
[07:34] <superm1> but i never looked into it
[07:34] <CDG52> ah
[07:35] <superm1> not a big deal, i'm full on info, might as well spread the knowledge :)
[07:35] <CDG52> hey do you know how to access windows shares with mythtv, because I have almost all my videos on a windows computer
[07:35] <CDG52> all i use linux for is my laptop
[07:35] <CDG52> at the moment
[07:35] <superm1> you'll need to set up samba
[07:35] <CDG52> no problem there
[07:35] <CDG52> but when i went ti video i couldnt even figure out how to make it run
[07:36] <superm1> make a mount point, and set up the mount command in /etc/fstab
[07:36] <CDG52> ah
[07:36] <CDG52> thats how
[07:37] <superm1> so if you find a guide that points out how to mount a samba share on the filesystem, just mount it under the directory currently set to be used for mythvideo
[07:37] <superm1> then when you refresh the video list, things will show up
[07:37] <CDG52> ok cool
[07:37] <CDG52> i have a few shares
[07:37] <CDG52> i wonder if i could make a script
[07:37] <superm1> well you can make several mount points
[07:37] <CDG52> to auto mount them
[07:37] <superm1> and they will all be handled from /etc/fstab
[07:37] <superm1> on startup
[07:38] <CDG52> hmm now my biggest question is, should i drop $70 on a tv card when i have one that works fine in windows and better quality then in linux.... or should i buy a 20" widescreen monitor for double that
[07:40] <superm1> buy the tv card, invest the money you saved on the monitor, and then after earning on that investment, buy the monitor
[07:40] <superm1> :)
[07:40] <CDG52> haha
[07:40] <CDG52> true
[07:41] <CDG52> but i download almost all my tv
[07:41] <CDG52> only thing i would use it for is those few oddball things which dont appear on torrents really fast
[07:41] <superm1> i used to as well, but the quality of my recordings (at least for HD stuff) is better than any torrent
[07:41] <CDG52> heck im mostly setting up mythtv because i want a media center for my download stuff
[07:41] <superm1> haha
[07:41] <CDG52> eh not me plus its comericaless
[07:42] <CDG52> and i dont pay for HD >_<
[07:42] <CDG52> would be another fee
[07:42] <superm1> well so is my recordings (commercial flagging skipping in mythtv)
[07:42] <superm1> i dont pay for it either
[07:42] <superm1> the big networks broadcast the HD stuff OTA
[07:42] <CDG52> how do you get it? besides on basic channels
[07:42] <CDG52> ah
[07:42] <superm1> and also the same stuff on cable
[07:42] <superm1> I dont bother with premium HD channels or anything like that
[07:42] <CDG52> you can commerical flag?
[07:42] <CDG52> how does that work
[07:42] <superm1> you didnt know mythtv did this?
[07:42] <superm1> :)
[07:43] <CDG52> nope
[07:43] <CDG52> no idea
[07:43] <superm1> it has a set of 5 or so algorithms that it uses
[07:43] <superm1> to detect commercials
[07:43] <CDG52> haha how is that possible
[07:43] <superm1> so while the recording is going, it will run through 2 of them
[07:43] <superm1> and once it finishes
[07:43] <superm1> it does the last 3
[07:43] <superm1> there is a logo detection, aspect ratio change, black frame detection, and what else
[07:43] <superm1> i dont remember the other 2 off hand
[07:44] <CDG52> ah
[07:44] <superm1> but then when you go to watch
[07:44] <CDG52> what if a show has a fake commerical i nit?
[07:44] <superm1> it can be set to automatically skip
[07:44] <superm1> but you dont have to use that behavior
[07:44] <CDG52> like i think tis robo cop has them in it and stuff
[07:44] <superm1> you cna just hit the "comm skip" button
[07:44] <superm1> to do it instead
[07:45] <superm1> well some shows are more accurate than others
[07:45] <superm1> overall the accuracy i'd say is 80-85 percent
[07:45] <CDG52> cool
[07:45] <superm1> so i'll have to go through and manually skip some of the breaks, but most of them its good on
[07:45] <CDG52> nice to know
[07:45] <superm1> especially my HD stuff
[07:45] <CDG52> makesm want it a bit more
[07:45] <CDG52> well if i install the xbmc script with mythtv
[07:46] <superm1> because a lot networks dont do HD commercials, and there is a big difference then
[07:46] <CDG52> i think i might get this so i can watch it on this computer or on my xbox
[07:46] <CDG52> ever have a 120gb hd go bad?
[07:46] <superm1> no experience with xbmc or myth on an xbox, so cant comment much on that
[07:46] <superm1> i've had 5 hard drives go bad in the last 3 years
[07:46] <CDG52> its the worst feeling ever and i just found one :(
[07:46] <superm1> of varying sizes
[07:47] <CDG52> ugh i hate powersupplys going bad
[07:47] <CDG52> atleast all it did was fry this hd and the processor
[07:47] <superm1> one went bad on my first day of spring break when I had to submit a follow up for job app over spring break
[07:47] <superm1> try writing that on opera mini on a cell phone.
[07:47] <superm1> ugh...
[07:48] <CDG52> haha
[07:48] <superm1> anyhow, i really need to get to bed
[07:48] <CDG52> yeah same
[07:48] <superm1> we'll chat more throughout the week i'm sure
[07:48] <CDG52> most deffinitly
[07:48] <superm1> night.
[07:48] <CDG52> im starting to like this irc
[07:48] <CDG52> well night
[08:21] <keescook> superm1: schedule oops> yikes, no I don't.
[08:21] <superm1> :(
[08:21] <superm1> i'm thinking i'm going to have to setup a serial console
[08:21] <superm1> and a remote kgdb session
[08:21] <superm1> or something to that effect to nail this one
[08:48] <CDG52> odd mythtv now wont install again on my new hd and i did an update then upgrade
[08:48] <CDG52> its now erroring out in the timezone spot
[09:02] <CDG52> ok rebooted and tried again and all went well
[09:02] <CDG52> after the update upgrade
[10:08] <laga> well, i'm back
[11:12] <laga> superm1, tgm4883_laptop: i can't find maniacxs' patch
[11:17] <DaveMorris> laga: Is the wiki on mythbuntu.org sitable for having German translations of how-to docs on it?  Or ca not add the special characters in?
[11:18] <laga> where is that wiki?
[11:18] <laga> i'd be surprised if special characters were broken
[11:19] <DaveMorris> http://www.mythbuntu.org//user
[11:19] <laga> i guess i need to register.
[11:19] <DaveMorris> Poke Daviey for an account
[11:19] <DaveMorris> or superm1 when he wakes up
[11:19] <laga> yup
[11:19] <laga> DaveMorris: 
[11:20] <laga> here are some umlauts for ya :)
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #118515 in lirc (main) "lircd doesn't repeat key press with pinsys remote" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118515
[05:02] <DaveMorris> so why are we getting lirc bugs into here?
[05:17] <tgm4883> superm1, CDG52, didn't know if you still need my input, but the pcHDTV 5500 does both analog and digital HD.  Can't say much about the analong though as I don't use it (for analog TV, it's a software encoder).  It only has 1 cable input, but also has an svideo input.  The weird thing about the svideo input is that it came with an adapter cable that has both svideo female and composite female ends (weird part is the composite
[05:17] <tgm4883> cable is marked video out).  It also comes with a IR receiver that plugs into the card (something else I have never used).  Setup only requires loading 1 driver for mythtv.  It's a great card, with good features.
[05:38] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[05:56] <superm1_> Daviey, I shot out an email to mdke yesterday about the mailing list again
[05:56] <superm1_> he is going to poke around canonical some more
[05:56] <Daviey> and i'm gonna guess you heard nothing
[05:56] <superm1_> No he responded to me
[05:56] <superm1_> mdke was the fellow during the CC Meeting
[05:56] <superm1_> that said if nothing happens to contact him
[05:56] <Daviey> oh right
[05:57] <Daviey> DaveMorris: your node's all in order?
[05:57] <DaveMorris> hehe
[05:57] <DaveMorris> work only has a single point of failure for the net
[05:57] <DaveMorris> and it can go down again still :(
[06:04] <tgm4883> superm1, had a quick question about packaging
[06:04] <tgm4883> or i guess anyone
[06:04] <tgm4883> can i package a i386 deb on an amd64 system?
[06:05] <superm1_> tgm4883, you can, but its kinda a pain to do so
[06:05] <superm1_> unless you set up sbuild
[06:05] <tgm4883> o
[06:05] <tgm4883> ok
[06:05] <tgm4883> i'll just do it on both then
[06:05] <tgm4883> good thing my laptops i386
[06:06] <tgm4883> gives me more practice anyway
[06:06] <superm1_> ideally your source package will build on both though
[06:06] <superm1_> and you upload the source package to REVU, and then the REVUer will try a build on his system and go from there
[06:07] <tgm4883> ah
[06:09] <superm1_> tgm4883, for a good example of what will be needed in making a plugin package, you can see the mythplugins source package (apt-get source mythplugins)
[06:09] <tgm4883> ok
[06:09] <superm1_> although a few things have changed for gutsy, i can guide you through those as you get to them
[06:09] <tgm4883> oh, need source in my sources.list
[06:10] <tgm4883> this would be in the universe right?
[06:11] <superm1_> multiverse
[06:11] <superm1_> tgm4883, actually your better getting it here
[06:11] <superm1_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/graphics/mythplugins
[06:12] <superm1_> because that will show the gutsy changes
[06:12] <tgm4883> is that package new or old?
[06:13] <tgm4883> a bunch of the mirrors dont have it
[06:13] <tgm4883> but i found one
[06:14] <superm1_> its very very new
[06:14] <tgm4883> ah ok
[06:14] <superm1_> you'll want the sources
[06:14] <superm1_> at the bottom of the page though
[06:14] <superm1_> the dsc
[06:14] <superm1_> diff.gz
[06:14] <superm1_> and orig.tar.gz
[06:15] <tgm4883> just so i set it up right, setting up pbuilder, mythbuntu is on gutsy now right?
[06:16] <superm1_> well we're not switched over yet, but mythtv development should be happening in gutsy
[06:16] <superm1_> I dont want to swich it over to gutsy until a few other things are settled
[06:16] <laga> morning guys
[06:17] <tgm4883> ok, so should i set pbuilder up for feisty, or gutsy, or both?
[06:17] <superm1_> tgm4883, do it for gutsy
[06:17] <tgm4883> ok
[06:17] <tgm4883> morning laga
[06:17] <tgm4883> maniacxs' patch is MIA huh
[06:17] <laga> looks like it
[06:17] <laga> i'll bug him about it
[06:18] <laga> i wish it could resume downloads :(
[06:18] <superm1_> wget can
[06:18] <laga> yes
[06:18] <laga> but i've already 600M of kubuntu feisty.
[06:18] <laga> now i'll wget -c on the temp file :)
[06:19] <tgm4883> is there a page somewhere that describe how to rsync just the changes of the mythbuntu iso so i dont have to download the whole thing every time?
[06:19] <laga> the mythbuntu team could also provide binary diffs (using xdelta, AFAIK)
[06:19] <superm1_> DaveMorris sent me an email about doing that, and what worked and didn't work
[06:20] <superm1_> i dont recall the details of it though
[06:20] <superm1_> and we havent done a new ISO since the alpha
[06:20] <superm1_> wanted to hold off for a few more things to fall into place - particularly Daviey's metas
[06:20] <tgm4883> yea, just wanted to get it in place for the next update
[06:21] <tgm4883> we could also use jigdo if rsync doesn't work
[06:21] <tgm4883> although I have used neither so can't recommend one or the other
[06:22] <superm1_> tgm4883, it looks like xdelta is what worked
[06:22] <superm1_> when Daviey did it
[06:22] <tgm4883> ah
[06:26] <superm1_> it may or may not be worth it though depending on if we use gutsy as a base
[06:27] <superm1_> if we do, then the diff will likely be bigger  than the iso
[06:28] <DaveMorris> superm1 I never mailed you about it
[06:28] <superm1_> DaveMorris, yea Daviey did
[06:28] <superm1_> but tab completion favors you more
[06:28] <tgm4883> but once we switch to gutsy, xdelta would work
[06:28] <superm1_> right
[06:28] <tgm4883> from gutsy to gutsy
[06:31] <tgm4883> oh crap, im just happily following this packaging manual, and should have been asking some questions
[06:32] <tgm4883> when making pbuilder, for other mirror, do i want to use the archive.ubuntu.com
[06:34] <superm1_> You can
[06:34] <superm1_> but if there is a closer one
[06:34] <superm1_> go for the closer one
[06:34] <superm1_> like by me I like to use umn.edu
[06:34] <tgm4883> oh
[06:34] <tgm4883> duh, i dont know what i was thinking
[06:34] <tgm4883> thats just where its downloading all the needed files right?
[06:34] <superm1_> right
[06:35] <tgm4883> lol, i need coffee, for some reason i was thinking it was only going to work from that mirror, which of course makes no sense
[06:35] <tgm4883> ok, off to get coffee
[06:38] <Daviey> hometime
[06:38] <Daviey> ttfn
[06:39] <superm1_> see ya Daviey
[07:28] <DaveMorris> poke superm1 Daviey laga everyoneelse
[07:29] <laga> huh?
[07:29] <DaveMorris> I wanted to arrange a time where we can discuss the install docs etc
[07:30] <laga> i don't have time tonight. school > *
[07:30] <DaveMorris> yea, nor do I really, packing to go away to my parents tomorrow evening
[07:30] <laga> i probably won't have time either to try mythbuntu before next weekend :(
[07:31] <DaveMorris> I'm prob gonna suggest doing next week some time
[07:53] <kruuli> Hey guys/gals! awfully quiet in here :)
[07:54] <kruuli> anyways have a question ... trying to install Mythbuntu on my shuttle and ive stumbled upon this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/119055
[07:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119055 in mythbuntu "mythbuntu crashes on  first installation" [High,Fix released] 
[07:55] <kruuli> yeah thats it .. it says "fix release" now where can i find this fix?
[07:57] <kruuli> or is it coming in a upcoming release?
[08:11] <kruuli> hum did anyone see my question? :p
[08:14] <tgm4883> kruuli, you should be able to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y from the terminal and it will grab the new packages
[08:14] <kruuli> how do i access the terminal from the mythbunt screen?
[08:15] <tgm4883> if you right click on the background there should be an "open terminal" or something to that effect
[08:15] <kruuli> oohhh how nice .. will try it right away ^^ thanks tgm4883! :)
[08:20] <kruuli> returned a message that ubuntu couldnt lock the file or something like that
[08:21] <Daviey> kruuli: if you just have a keyboard you should be able to press ctrl + alt + f1
[08:21] <Daviey> will bring a full screen terminal
[08:21] <Daviey> press ctrl + alt + f7 to get back
[08:22] <kruuli> found the terminal Daviey but when i typed apt-get update it returns a message "could not open locked file"
[08:23] <kruuli> same goes with apt-get upgrade -y
[08:23] <tgm4883> is this from the live cd?
[08:24] <kruuli> indeed
[08:24] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:25] <tgm4883> just a thought, did you try sudo apt-get update
[08:25] <kruuli> nope ill try it right away
[08:28] <kruuli> that worked like a charm tgm4883
[08:28] <kruuli> but another problem now
[08:28] <kruuli> apt-get update was successfull
[08:28] <kruuli> apt-get upgrade -y is complaining about to little disk space :/
[08:29] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:29] <tgm4883> interesting
[08:29] <tgm4883> what are the specs of the computer?
[08:29] <kruuli> you think? :p
[08:29] <tgm4883> not sure, but it always helps to know
[08:29] <tgm4883> superm1_ are you around?
[08:29] <kruuli> EPIA M micro atx 1ghz 256mb ram and 80gig hd
[08:30] <kruuli> geforce 4 64mb
[08:30] <tgm4883> or superm1
[08:31] <kruuli> the dir its complaining about is var/chache/apt/archives
[08:33] <tgm4883> I don't know alot about the live environment, im hoping someone else is around that knows more about it
[08:34] <kruuli> ah ok .. common people dont be shy! :>
[08:39] <kruuli> tgm4883 gonna try a restart on that pc .. had a couple of failed trys before so maybe it will fix the problem
[08:39] <tgm4883> ok, keep me updated
[08:53] <Daviey> kruuli: playing catch up here.  Tried adding sudo infront?
[08:54] <tgm4883> Daviey, we added that but now he's getting disk space errors
[08:54] <Daviey> I see you did that.. :)
[08:54] <Daviey> tgm4883: probably small ram size.
[08:54] <Daviey> If running from livecd - your using the RAM as a hardrive
[08:55] <Daviey> so any updates are done within the RAM
[08:55] <tgm4883> Thats what I figured, was wondering if there was some why to get around that
[08:55] <Daviey> hmm.. maybe removing ubiquity, doing a clean and reinstalling
[08:55] <Daviey> that might do it
[08:56] <tgm4883> hmm let me test that in my VM
[08:57] <Daviey> "df -h"  to monitor how much free 'space' you have
[08:58] <tgm4883> arg, i must have inadvertedly deleted my mythbuntu iso
[09:02] <rogue780|mythsrv> when did we stop putting the .h at the end of header files in c++ with the #include statement?
[09:02] <rogue780|mythsrv> that kinda threw me off
[09:03] <kruuli> tgm4883 i had some luck..
[09:03] <tgm4883> oh yea, did it work or more problems elsewhere
[09:04] <kruuli> after the reboot everything worked except upgrade returning one error on linux-image - 2.6.20
[09:04] <kruuli> usr/bin/dpkg error code (1)
[09:04] <Daviey> tgm4883: you don't need the .h extension on the include statement if it is a 'C Library'
[09:05] <kruuli> and when i try the install after that the pc speaker just gives me 2 peeps and the installation window dissapears
[09:05] <tgm4883> Daviey, I think you mean rogue780|mythsrv
[09:05] <Daviey> sorry
[09:05] <tgm4883> np
[09:05] <kruuli> always happens when im about to pick my keyboard layout
[09:05] <Daviey> kruuli: what is your kb layout?
[09:05] <kruuli> swedish
[09:06] <Daviey> Hmm. can you select a different country and see if it goes bang?
[09:06] <Daviey> ie english
[09:06] <rogue780|mythsrv> Daviey, it wasn't always like that was it? I seem to remember not getting warnings for doing that
[09:06] <kruuli> i see you were talking about ram .. had some problems with installing only ubuntu before .. solved that buy killing some processes whlie installing from the live cd
[09:07] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: yeah. around 2000 it became unecessary to add .h
[09:07] <kruuli> ok will try that Daviey
[09:08] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: actually VS 6.0 (1998) droppe that requirement IIRC
[09:08] <tgm4883> kruuli, that was with the not enough disk space error.  Shouldn't be causing the new problems
[09:08] <rogue780|mythsrv> hm. good to know
[09:08] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: keep up at the back
[09:08] <Daviey> :)
[09:09] <Daviey> kruuli: I'm not certain; but it could be because we haven't done translations to non english.
[09:10] <Daviey> kruuli: But soon we will need translations.  So if your willing that would be appreciated.
[09:12] <rogue780|mythsrv> anyone know of a way to access a mysql database from c++?
[09:13] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: there are some great guides on google
[09:13] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: we use a nice wrapper class
[09:22] <kruuli> Daviey that was not the problem .. it closes the window before i get to select anything on that part
[09:23] <kruuli> Daviey sure i can helt with that
[09:23] <kruuli> help*
[09:23] <kruuli> brb
[09:28] <tgm4883> hmm, just tried what kruuli posted in my VM, I can't reproduce that problem (I did have the same problem with the new linux kernel, but only when running with 256MB ram, upped to 512 problem went away)  With 256, I also kept crashing when trying to partition the HD
[09:29] <tgm4883> Perhaps it is certain options he is selecting
[09:29] <rogue780|mythsrv> brb.
[09:55] <rogue780|mythsrv> Daviey, do you use mysql++? I'm trying to, but having lots of errors with includes
[09:56] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: sorry we use an internal wrapper that is the mutts nuts; but i can't share it
[09:56] <Daviey> sorry
[09:58] <rogue780|mythsrv> 'tis ok
[10:13] <rogue780|mythsrv> Daviey, worry not. with a few "-I" options with g++ I was able to get everything to link correctly
[10:13] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: great
[10:14] <rogue780|mythsrv> I hope people don't mind all the off-topic I bring in here...oh well
[10:14] <tgm4883> Hmm, it seems 256MB isn't enough memory to apt-get upgrade and run the installed
[10:14] <tgm4883> installer
[10:14] <laga> no worries ;)
[10:15] <rogue780|mythsrv> back on topic though... superm1, I've been doing some preliminary work on the gdm screen
[10:16] <tgm4883> although this problem should disappear with the release version, providing they install before an upgrade
[10:34] <kruuli> tgm4883 so the ram is the problem? :/
[10:35] <kruuli> cant i make a bigger swap or plugin a usb memory stick or something? :p
[10:35] <tgm4883> I think so, I dont think there is enough to do the apt-get upgrade AND the install
[10:35] <tgm4883> there should be some workarounds though
[10:35] <tgm4883> and im looking into it
[10:35] <kruuli> sounds great mate!
[10:36] <kruuli> ill do some digging aswell
[10:37] <tgm4883> ok, look for some things such as creating and mounting a swap partition in a live environment
[10:40] <kruuli> when i did my ubuntu install it also ran out of memory but i killed some processes to solve it
[10:40] <kruuli> you cant do something like that with mythbuntu?
[10:42] <tgm4883> i dont think that there are any extra processes to kill
[10:42] <tgm4883> most is removed already
[10:42] <kruuli> ah i see
[10:43] <kruuli> is there a way to download the iso file with the updates on it?
[10:43] <kruuli> an updated mythbuntu iso
[10:45] <tgm4883> there isn't one built yet
[10:45] <tgm4883> although I may have found a solution
[10:45] <kruuli> sweet :D
[10:47] <tgm4883> ok, im not sure if this will work or not but its worth a shot
[10:48] <tgm4883> after you do the apt-get upgrade it should install the updates, except for the new kernel
[10:48] <tgm4883> after that, do sudo apt-get clean
[10:48] <tgm4883> that will free some space for you
[10:48] <tgm4883> then try the install
[10:49] <tgm4883> if it still doesn't work, let me know all the options you select so i can do exactly what your doing (minus the same hardware)
[10:49] <superm1_> kruuli, you there still?
[10:49] <superm1_> I should have a solution for you
[10:49] <tgm4883> even better
[10:49] <kruuli> ok will give it a try tgm4883
[10:49] <superm1_> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[10:49] <superm1_> rather than the sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:49] <tgm4883> kruuli, do that ^^
[10:49] <superm1_> because there was an Ubuntu security updates since then, and its too big to extract in the env
[10:49] <superm1_> so you can just skip it for now
[10:50] <kruuli> oh ok .. give me a sec ill give it a try
[10:50] <superm1_> k
[10:50] <superm1_> rogue780|mythsrv, yo uhere
[10:51] <kruuli> i should still do the sudo apt-get update? and after that sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk ?
[10:51] <kruuli> superm1?
[10:52] <superm1_> sudo apt-get update
[10:52] <superm1_> followed by that second command
[10:52] <superm1_> correct
[10:53] <kruuli> k thanks
[11:03] <DaveMorris> superm1 if we've fixed the bug in the installer, can we put a new iso on the site?
[11:03] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, I think were waiting on one or two more things to happen first
[11:03] <superm1_> rogue780|mythsrv, I was going to say get too far into it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-June/001708.html
[11:04] <superm1_> DaveMorris, ideally i'd like to see the metapackages ready first
[11:04] <superm1_> and some other preliminary work on proprietary drivers ready too
[11:07] <kruuli> everything has gone well so far .. lets see if i make it past 83% on the install this time :)
[11:09] <kruuli> hum stuck at 15% atm as when i did a clean ubuntu install .. prolly the memory again .. gonna wait a while see if its just a hickup
[11:09] <kruuli> maybe i should face facts .. need more ram :p
[11:11] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, I have been thinking about your web-myth-setup.  How would one install mythbuntu on this system in the first place?
[11:13] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 its not for installing, but managing and updating it once its installed
[11:13] <DaveMorris> ie when you add a new tuner card
[11:13] <tgm4883> ah
[11:13] <tgm4883> that makes sense
[11:13] <kruuli> bah stuck at 15% ..any helpful thoughts superm1 ?
[11:14] <kruuli> or anyone else for that matter
[11:16] <tgm4883> crucial.com?
[11:16] <tgm4883> i'd wait and try the new iso when it comes out first though
[11:17] <kruuli> hehe yeah ill do that .. thank you tgm4883 and superm1 for your help! :)
[11:17] <DaveMorris> kruuli: thanks for using the alpha
[11:18] <kruuli> ill check the site everyday for an update!
[11:18] <kruuli> hehe np DaveMorris
[11:18] <DaveMorris> superm1 we have a mailing list setup yet?  If now open a bug in lp about ISO releases, then we can sign up to it.  And you just post a comment each time a new ISO is released
[11:19] <tgm4883> superm1_, I was thinking about our need for mirrors, and wondered if we should contact osuosl.org
[11:19] <tgm4883> since they are an ubuntu mirror, and fans of mythtv
[11:20] <kruuli> if you need any swedish translations let me know .. ill idle here atleast until i got everything sorted :>
[11:25] <Daviey> kruuli: it won't be for weeks.  But please pop back.  I'm sure it would be appreciated
[11:27] <kruuli> Daviey np ill stick around :)
[11:31] <superm1_> tgm4883, I think the more mirrors the better
[11:32] <superm1_> kruuli, when you get stuck at 15%, what happens?
[11:32] <superm1_> system is frozen?
[11:32] <superm1_> or what?
[11:32] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_ true, but how many do we have now?
[11:32] <superm1_> well just mythbuntu.org, but there was interest on the mythtv mailing list sometime back to help mirror packages too
[11:33] <Daviey> superm1_: kruuli gave me an idea.. we need to start thinking about using rosetta
[11:33] <superm1_> Daviey, do you know how to use it?
[11:33] <superm1_> or how to merge rosetta changes in properly?
[11:33] <Daviey> superm1_: nope - only been on user end of it
[11:34] <Daviey> translating wacky US English into proper english
[11:34] <superm1_> lol
[11:34] <superm1_> thats not translating
[11:34] <Daviey> get's me karma :)
[11:34] <superm1_> and is my english that wacky?
[11:34] <tgm4883_laptop> lol wacky US English
[11:35] <Daviey> naa it's fine :)
[11:37] <kruuli> superm1 i installd ubuntu before this and got the same problem .. it runs out of memory when checking the filesystem at 15% .. solved it by killing some processes in ubuntu
[11:38] <kruuli> and yeah it freezes cant even move my mouse
[11:39] <kruuli> woot did a cold reboot and now im past the magic 15% :D
[11:41] <kruuli> if i get past the 83% mark we have a new record people! \o/
[11:42] <DaveMorris> superm1 we have a mailing list setup yet?  If now open a bug in lp about ISO releases, then we can sign up to it.  And you just post a comment each time a new ISO is released
[11:43] <Daviey> mythbuntu ISO being a big bug, with comments added regarding release status?
[11:44] <Daviey> :/
[11:44] <DaveMorris> yeah, like whats been added etc, refering to the bugs that have been fixed in each release
[11:45] <DaveMorris> till we have a mailing list sorted
[11:45] <kruuli> bah .. got the same bug a 83% https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/119055 :/
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119055 in mythbuntu "mythbuntu crashes on  first installation" [High,Fix released] 
[11:46] <Daviey> DaveMorris: I see where your heading; but i think 'bug' is the wrong place
[11:46] <Daviey> I think it might be worth giving imbrandon a cookie, and asking him to install mailman
[11:46] <Daviey> then we can have announce-list@mythbuntu.org etc
[11:47] <DaveMorris> it would, but a LP bug takes 60 secs
[11:49] <Daviey> DaveMorris: We could add a wiki-page then people can subscribe to that..
[11:49] <Daviey> I somehow feel uncomfortable with the whole project being a 'bug' :)
[11:50] <DaveMorris> so do I, I'm just thinking of 'hack' work arounds till we have a mailing list
[11:51] <DaveMorris> brb
[11:56] <superm1_> kruuli, if ubiquity is updated before you launch it, you shouldnt be getting that bug
[11:56] <superm1_> could you look a little closer at it
[11:57] <superm1_> or possibly post the output in a pastebin?
[11:57] <superm1_> Daviey, is an announce list necessary though, i mean RSS feeds can suffice
[11:57] <DaveMorris> hmmm I don't get any sound in mythtv if I have rhythmbox paused
[11:58] <superm1_> DaveMorris, well dont pause rhythmbox :)
[11:58] <DaveMorris> there is no stop button!
[11:58] <superm1_> DaveMorris, no response on the mailing list yet.  I poked last night about it
[11:58] <superm1_> DaveMorris, are you using ALSA for myth, or OSS?
[11:58] <DaveMorris> not sure
[11:59] <superm1_> woah
[11:59] <Daviey> superm1_: don't think it is really necessary
[11:59] <superm1_> sabdfl himself responded to me
[11:59] <superm1_> about the mailing lists
[11:59] <superm1_> Just FYI, we will have mailing lists in LP within six months, which should make a lot of this simpler. Any team will be able to have its own list.
[11:59] <superm1_> not that it improves the situation any :)
[11:59] <Daviey> superm1_: but i would like developers@mythbuntu.org for communication
[12:00] <superm1_> did imbrandon set up multiple alias for voyager?
[12:01] <superm1_> so that we could do a makeshift mailing list like that?
[12:03] <kruuli> superm1 ill give it another try and copy the log dunno what a pastebin is :p
[12:03] <superm1_> !pastebin
[12:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:03] <superm1_> in the env you can open up firefox, and then pastebin the output there
[12:04] <superm1_> to tat website
[12:04] <superm1_> and post the url in here
[12:04] <superm1_> thanks for giving this a shot so much kruuli
[12:04] <superm1_> i anticipate that this is directly related to the lack of ram
[12:04] <Daviey> superm1_: i didn't hear back from imbrandon; so i assume not yet
[12:04] <superm1_> perhaps for you the ideal way to do this is this:
[12:05] <superm1_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk -y && sudo apt-get clean
[12:05] <superm1_> so that the downloaded binaries dont fill up the ram drive other than their installed form
[12:06] <kruuli> superm1 yeah np just wanna get it up and running and if it can help someone on the way thats just great :)
[12:06] <kruuli> kk will try that line as soon as the live cd has booted
[12:06] <superm1_> kruuli, what options did you choose when you had tried before?  advanced install i'd guess?
[12:08] <kruuli> superm1 tryed em both
[12:09] <kruuli> advanced with as little as video music and gallery
[12:09] <kruuli> and the standard
[12:10] <superm1_> well after ubiquity is updated, all of the types should work as expected
[12:19] <kruuli> stuck at 15%
[12:20] <superm1_> OK
[12:20] <superm1_> you can kill several services
[12:20] <superm1_> apache2 mythtv-backend mysql
[12:20] <superm1_> are all running on alpha 1 disks
[12:20] <superm1_> later disks don't start them
[12:20] <superm1_> (better yet: won't start them: later disks haven't been made yet :))
[12:22] <superm1_> you can stop each of them via the respective init script (sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop && sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop && sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop)
[12:23] <kruuli> ok nice! :) will try that
[12:23] <kruuli> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=411642
[12:23] <kruuli> other people seems to have the same problem with limited ram
[12:24] <superm1_> but nothing in terms of feasible solutions
[12:24] <superm1_> well if nothing else you are helping define the minimum requirements for mythbuntu :)
[12:25] <DaveMorris> superm1my backend is a 400mhz box
[12:25] <DaveMorris> sorry 450
[12:26] <superm1_> DaveMorris, mine is a 700 or so too
[12:26] <superm1_> if we're going to have to cover an alternate install - this is going to be a lot more difficult than anticipated.  i think an alternate install disk will have to be put off for a while
[12:26] <superm1_> gutsy+1 if anything
[12:27] <kruuli> superm1 haha thats great! ... i think :>
[12:27] <DaveMorris> superm1 its easy, normal install which them pulls down everything else on the 1st boot up
[12:28] <superm1_> well not if you cant launch the live env though DaveMorris
[12:28] <tgm4883> if we could install the live environment to disk....