[12:28] how you get your guide data [12:28] you can see the initial configuration page section of this page [12:28] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend_Desktop [12:28] so i would guess i need to set up an xmltv account [12:28] for more information about it [12:28] and how to configure things in mythtv-setup [12:33] so i got my zap2it account [12:34] and now i can scan for channels [12:34] wait nvm [12:34] different sectin [12:34] o wait it scans [12:34] but finds nothing [12:35] you shouldnt need to scan with a zap2it account [12:35] the channel data is provided with the guides [01:02] ok now im confused [01:02] went through the whole setup [01:02] and i run mythfrontend [01:02] and it says cant connect to backend [01:02] still [01:02] is the log showing it running now [01:02] (/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log) [01:03] same issue [01:03] did you try to restart the backend process? [01:03] or no [01:04] i dont know how [01:04] ah okay [01:04] just restart the PC [01:04] ill reset the computer [01:04] it will be the easiest [01:04] im pritty sure its gonna blackscreen me [01:04] (given sudo permissions and such) [01:04] again instead of reboot [01:05] my biggest question is why does it blackscreen me when it goesto shut down [01:05] at this point - i'm not sure. [01:06] like numlock works [01:06] but it shows nothing [01:06] can you ctrl-alt-delete ? [01:06] to restart [01:06] it beeps and thats it [01:06] or can you alt-sysrq S U B to do it then? [01:06] huh? [01:06] hold ALT and SYSRQ (Print screen) [01:07] and then in succession [01:07] press [01:07] S [01:07] U [01:07] B [01:07] ok so frontend started [01:07] gives me a bluescreen [01:07] how do i change channels [01:07] gives you a blue screen when you go to "watch tv"? [01:08] yes [01:08] did you set the input appropriately? to use coax [01:08] rather than svid/ [01:08] composite [01:08] probably not [01:08] how would i check that [01:09] mythtv-setup again [01:09] ok [01:09] if i knew where my svideo adaptor was id test this theory out [01:11] ok found my adaptor [01:11] and i have a source in the svideo [01:11] and nothing [01:11] so i dont htink its that [01:11] could it be that it didnt detect any channels? [01:12] well it can be that the tuner type wan't properly detected [01:12] if you check dmesg [01:12] for anything related to it [01:13] why does mythtv hate the mouse? [01:14] it only shows it if you are over a editable feild [01:14] and scanning for channels returns nothing [01:15] and now i cant exit the setup [01:15] lol [01:17] o its finnaly getting channels [01:17] i had to switch it to cable something front another cable setting it had it on [01:22] well i got some tv working [01:23] the spanish channel and relegion channel -_- [01:23] but no sound [01:30] CDG52, sorry stepped out for a few min [01:30] so the mouse thing, [01:30] its disabled by default [01:31] it can be turned on in the appearance sectoin [01:31] o good [01:31] as for sound [01:31] those bt8x8 cards, dont they need to send sound over a line in [01:31] or something to that effect? [01:31] i don't know for sure [01:31] not sure [01:32] i can get a cable to do line in [01:32] is there a line out jack on the back of the card? [01:32] ah yeah in my windows computer i had a internal connectioend to a linein [01:32] and yes there is [01:33] the tv also appears to be gittery [01:34] ok so i pluged in the input audio and nothing [01:34] do i have to inable input? [01:34] enable [01:35] hm i'm not 100% on how you configure beyond that point - [01:35] was there an option [01:35] in mythtv-setup [01:35] when you went through [01:35] i dont remember [01:35] to say which place to get audio [01:35] say /dev/dsp or anything like that [01:36] o yeah [01:36] theres that option [01:36] and it was set to /dev/dsp [01:36] and what audio input? [01:36] idk [01:36] i have to enter that again [01:36] but my mouse stoped working [01:36] ok [01:36] either that or [01:36] so i cant right click anymore on the desktop [01:36] alsamixer -V capture [01:37] will let you adjust capture sources [01:37] and volumes [01:37] so you can toy there too [01:38] ok [01:38] i hope the mouse works this time around [01:38] when on screen 2 know how to shut down mythfront? [01:38] in screen1 [01:39] ctrl alt left [01:39] gets you back to screen 1 [01:39] or killall mythfrontend [01:40] note that will restart the x session [01:40] yeah thats what i didnt want lol [01:43] what is us-cable-hrc? [01:43] and irc [01:44] higher channel numbers [01:44] dont worry about them [01:44] you likely want us-cable [01:49] ok [01:49] hmm i guess it would be good to have my zap2it set correctly also [01:49] :) === hugol1 [n=jo@89.129.180.55] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5FDE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:40] keescook, do you have experience debugging kernel oops' that seem to happen during scheduling? [04:01] Sounds nasty. What kernel are you on [04:05] OpenMedia, its been an ongoing issue for a box i built last year [04:05] every 24 hours or so it would freeze [04:05] but it was headless [04:05] its a feisty box (with latest feisty kernel) [04:06] What capture cards? [04:06] See thats the thing, i pulled all capture cards out [04:06] to rule that out [04:06] i originally thought it was a pvr-350 dying [04:06] Ah but are they still mapped in the backend [04:06] backend isnt even running :) [04:07] i'd love to get this box back up as a backend, but this stability issue is just a huge show stopper [04:07] Ah.. Real problem [04:07] Done the usual stuff? Memtest and disk checks [04:07] yup [04:08] the kernel oops is always the same thing - its always the same RIP in neigh_periodic_timer [04:08] memtest was clean, and DFT passed on all 5 drives [04:09] i was thinking heat originally, but even with case side off and a desk fan blowing right at it, (sensors indicates more than acceptable temperatures) [04:09] What sort of hardware, and any CPU throttling? [04:09] same thing [04:09] amd64, and it had powernow on before [04:09] but i since then disabled it [04:09] to rule that out [04:09] SMP [04:10] single core [04:10] LAN? [04:10] gigabit on board nforce based [04:11] forcedeth then.. Any cards or USB devices? [04:11] a parallel ata adapter silicon image man. [04:11] but no usb [04:12] I use some SIL cards under Centos. [04:12] the sil card and the hard drives and ram carried over from an old system [04:13] i'd have no way to rule that card out though [04:13] big messy lvm that its part of [04:14] Sorry got me beat. [04:14] the unfortunate thing is no kernel core dump is made :( [04:14] since its an oops during cpu scheduling [04:14] so i'm thinking serial console might be the only way to catch it [04:15] aye, i've tried to beat this thing to death figuring it out since last august [04:15] so i'm searching for straws [04:16] Nasty.. So this was happening with Dapper/Edgy as well [04:16] well i built the box on a feisty alpha [04:17] since feisty was just a month away at the end of august [04:17] Anything old left behind? [04:17] i've considered just wiping it to go 32 bit and rule that out [04:17] Feisty was April. [04:17] woah, my mix up :) [04:18] it was edgy :) [04:18] and moved to feisty [04:18] Ah.. ok. [04:18] Yeah i' [04:18] but it was an edgy alpha then at that point [04:18] and did happen in edgy too [04:18] I'd try a 32bit build just in case. [04:19] just need to find time to do that yet [04:20] Know the feeling :) [04:25] Back soon. === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:39] so anyone know the min size hd to watch live tv with mythbox? [04:39] i had a 1.5gb hd for the os and everything [04:39] and i think it filled up lol [04:39] because the computer frooze [04:39] and now it wont boot [04:39] but atleast i know what to do this time around [04:40] sept for the sound part [04:40] and quality still sucks [04:45] 1.5gb??? [04:45] thats it ??? [04:45] thats hardly going to be enough, especially with a bt8x8 card :) === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:09] You'd want atleast 5Gb for the buffer volume these days [05:09] I use an old 10G driver for some prototyping as the 6Gb was a bit small for OS + content [05:24] the mythbuntu install itself won't take more than 1.5 gigs, but I would recommend that you leave at least 5 for expansion for the OS, and then as much as possible for the rest of the content [05:29] We currently use 4 or 5G for myPVR systems [05:29] Just a single / plus 1Gb of Swap [05:29] ah [05:30] yea it leaves plenty of room for expansion there [05:55] Superm1, you around [05:56] had a quick question, maybe it's nothing. Something I read and related back to problems I heard about mythtv and database corruption. Perhaps it has been fixed, or maybe never existed [05:57] but recently I have been hearing about how mysql has so many problems and that postgresql is sooo much better. Just wanted someone elses opinion on that [05:58] tgm4883_laptop, i'm here [05:58] there have been several instances that i've seen of database corruption [05:58] no real reason why that i've identified though [05:59] ok, just something that i had been thinking about [05:59] because its been to the point that from a fresh install some people randomly get corruption, others dont even when installing the 'mythtv' metapackage [05:59] unfortunately mythtv doesnt have support for anything but mysql though [05:59] i dont know much about postgresql [05:59] unless this has changed within the last few months [05:59] ah [05:59] and i didnt hear about it [06:00] that should be an option, for people that already have it installed and setup [06:01] it wasn't something that I had heard for mythtv, just heard that postgresql was better, then remembered I had heard about mythtv and database corruption, and I made the connection and question [06:01] ideally i'd like to find how this corruption was even happening in the first place [06:02] True, corruption is bad in any instance [06:02] And that should be found and fixed, whereever the problem is [06:03] hopefully it will pop up during a few mythbuntu installs as we near alpha 2 and and such [06:03] and we can get more empirical data since it is happening in that clean env. [06:04] although it would be nice to have different database options for people that already have databases setup. Although i dont know if the programming required for that would be too extensive [06:04] well i will try to corrupt it [06:04] it will be very extensive to add support for multiple options [06:05] although i usually try to do the opposite :) [06:05] thats what i figured [06:05] and its more appropriate to do such a thing upstream [06:05] than at ubuntu-mythtv / mythbuntu level [06:05] no needs to "try" to corrupt it. it is seemingly all random when it happens :) [06:06] oh definetly something that should be upstream [06:06] so hopefully it just 'happens' to one of us [06:06] true, but i could install it and try to use it certain ways. I'll see if I can research what people are doing when it happens through the forums [06:07] although i probably wont be able to gather hardware data on these individuals [06:07] i dont think its caused by a particular hardware liekly [06:08] probably not, but i figure i gotta look at all posibilities [06:08] and it did happen to me *once* in a VM back when I was doing the new mysql support for the packages [06:08] a few months ago [06:08] but I could never reproduce it [06:08] i hope .21 gets released soon, it has a lot of the features i want :) [06:09] i'm staying away from that new features page [06:09] oh yea? [06:09] dont want to be too excited [06:10] you know we might not be that far away from it though [06:10] http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap [06:11] hmm, looking good [06:12] I had a thought about a feature for firewire, but not sure how it would work [06:13] i have noticed that sometimes i won't be able to get recordings over firewire until i reprime the firewire connection [06:13] I also noticed that mythtv knows when it's not getting a recording [06:13] it knows in the sense that the file size is 0 [06:13] but how else? [06:14] i only noticed that in mythweb that it has the show size listed as B [06:14] and B isn't a number that I have heard of [06:14] so i figured it knew [06:15] does repriming the connection in the middle of use hurt? [06:15] as in ruin the recording? [06:15] thats the thing though, there is no recording [06:15] thats why i have to reprime [06:15] well the reason i ask [06:15] maybe consider putting together a cron job [06:15] that would try to reprime every 30 min or so [06:16] in an idle situation, i wouldn't have to reprime, but thats asking too much of the cable company [06:16] that would work, but one problem [06:16] For some reason, i cannot reprime when the cable box is on the same channel [06:16] so the steps i perform to reprime is [06:17] 1. manually change the channel on the cable box [06:17] 2. run the firewire primer script after sshing into the box [06:17] so it's step 1 that causes the problem [06:17] thats a pretty nasty hack to have to do [06:18] yea, it doesn't happen often. Maybe once a week. And maybe the problem will go away when the firewire drivers mature [06:19] i would guess this only happens on certain stations too? [06:19] well wait, you say once a week [06:19] you know what it might be [06:19] whats that? [06:19] the cable company may push a firmware update to the box [06:19] forcing a soft reboot on it [06:20] hmm, hadn't thought about that [06:20] in which case that would make perfect sense why you had to reprime [06:20] the old settings were lost on the reboot of it [06:20] so has this happened consistently at the same time every week? [06:20] i'll have to check, logically they would increase the firmware version # right? [06:21] logically yes [06:21] could be, i haven't done that much watching of it [06:21] ill get the firmware number of it and keep a log of when it happens [06:21] you can setup your priming script to change the channel for you via firewire too [06:22] via the 6200ch app (or the sa3250 equiv) [06:22] hmm, that might work, although would cause a problem in a cron script (unless they do it at the same time each week) [06:23] my cable co never did updates that frequently, but never know with yours [06:23] i'll check it out, see what I can come up with [06:23] (of course i'm saying back when i had firewire - haven't had it for about 1 yr now) [06:23] did i see on here a couple days ago about a lightscribe plugin? [06:24] if so, i missed said discussion [06:24] I got to start logging this channel so i can go back [06:25] its already logged at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [06:25] thats even better [06:26] my local logs show June 07 at 11:27CST laga and maniacxs [06:26] maniacxs seems to have a lightscribe patch for mytharchive [06:26] interesting [06:26] laga, do you know who this manicxs is? [06:26] and where said patch is? [06:27] I would be interested in knowing what that patch does and testing said patch when I get my new lightscribe drive [06:27] i think the LaCie drives have a linux app [06:27] for lightscribe [06:28] yea they do [06:28] http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10803 [06:28] although it doesn't require a lacie drive (worked with my HP) [06:28] but my HP broke, lasted less than a year [06:29] ah [06:29] wonder what the script would print on the dvd? [06:30] the metadata i'd guess [06:30] sweet [06:30] cause my handwritting sucks [06:31] we'll have to see what laga says when he comes back [06:31] about it [06:32] :( After reading the .21 release notes I still think mythtv is missing a feature [06:32] although the rest look good [06:32] whats it missing? [06:33] when your watching live tv, how come there isn't something that (if your using a tuner it needs) that warns you of an upcoming recording? [06:33] kinda like tivo does? It's the one reason i don't watch live tv, cause i don't want to mess up my schedule [06:33] there is.... [06:33] it tells you that its going to switch [06:34] really? [06:34] and gives you an option to stick where you are [06:34] and reschedule [06:34] Sweet, I did not know that [06:34] yea i've seen it come up when my roomates at school watch live tv and i walk into the appt [06:34] well I take it back, MythTV is the best thing since sliced bread [06:35] haha. i might have to use that quote at ULive now [06:38] well its a good idea your keeping away from this page, i cant wait for .21 now [06:38] haha [06:39] i've heard a few from those chatting about them, like recording groups and the mythweb flv player [06:39] but thats about it [06:40] oh no, its all about the flag that shows if you have watched a program or not === superm1 pretends he didnt just hear anything about said flag or infer that it is related to auto expiring priorities depending when you've watched a program === tgm4883_laptop denies saying anything to that effect [06:44] well it would be most ideal if the release was in the next month or two though [06:44] would still give us time to sort out all odds and ends with the packaging [06:44] yes that would be good [06:44] in time for gutsy [06:45] ah i was gonna mention. i got my buddy to decide to take up one of the specs that was thrown out here a bit back [06:45] he needed a project for the summer [06:45] so he is going to handle writing the firmware finder [06:45] sweet [06:45] that will detect your cards against a list of cards known to need firmware [06:46] and grab, install, etc [06:46] he's a big gentoo guy though, so it was rough convincing him to do something for mythbuntu. the selling point was that he could keep it on bzr and eventually get it into gentoo too [06:46] would it also load any drivers that needed loaded (thinking about feisty and my HD5500) [06:47] that could be a good idea - for it to automatically parse and add to /etc/modules [06:47] i'm not sure if the cx88 bug is going to be fixed for gutsy [06:48] who does all the plugins, is that the mythtv guys or independent developers? [06:49] which plugins [06:49] mythplugins? [06:49] like mythweb [06:49] the mythtv guys [06:50] ah [06:51] do they do mythvideo too? [06:51] yes [06:51] anything in the mythplugins suite are official plugins [06:51] and part of the mythtv project [06:51] others like mythstream or torrentocracy arent [06:51] ah [06:52] is there an rss plugin? [06:53] something like a news ticker at the bottom of the screen? [06:53] not that i know of [06:53] you can probably make one yourself though pretty easy [06:53] with shell scripting [06:54] and the current mythtvosd [06:54] just found the unofficial plugin page [06:55] looks like i need to install some of these [06:57] tgm4883_laptop, if you'd like to package some of these ( or learn to package for that matter), i can see some of them being useful to others too [06:57] i would like that [06:57] some of them are definetly useful [06:58] man page or something useful to read on packaging? [06:58] !packageguide [06:58] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [06:58] sweet [06:58] gotta love ubotu [06:58] if you get something basic together, let me know and i'll look it over and give some pointers and such [06:59] we probably want to keep them seperate right, and have a metapackage for all them [06:59] right [06:59] i'll try to put something together and let you know [06:59] sounds great [07:00] take your time with them [07:00] i will [07:19] so i ran into the issue that my os wont start anymore [07:19] because my hard drive is full from watching tv [07:19] which i must say turned out to look like crap [07:19] very fuzy [07:19] and almost slow [07:20] CDG52, those bt8x8 cards are very eh quality [07:20] and its on a 2.6 celerone with 512mb [07:20] did you end up finding a bigger hard drive to work with? [07:20] i have one.... but idk if i wanna wipe it [07:20] it has a backup of my old windows os [07:20]