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| qiyong | what tool is used to configure the NIC besides ifconfig? | 07:16 |
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| shawarma | qiyong: What are you trying to do? | 08:22 |
| qiyong | shawarma, configure nic | 08:22 |
| shawarma | qiyong: So use ifconfig? | 08:22 |
| qiyong | i expect some tool to store conf somewhere | 08:22 |
| qiyong | shawarma, ^ | 08:22 |
| shawarma | shawarma: You probably want to edit /etc/network/interfaces | 08:23 |
| shawarma | qiyong: ^^ | 08:23 |
| qiyong | btw, i noticed a bug of linux ifconfig shawarma | 08:23 |
| shawarma | qiyong: ifup/ifdown reads that file and uses ifconfig to configure your nic. | 08:24 |
| qiyong | shawarma, the first time you ifconfig ip/number it doesn't get the netmask and broadcast right. the subsequent ifconfig ip/number can get it right | 08:24 |
| shawarma | qiyong: Could you give an example? | 08:26 |
| qiyong | # ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1/28 | 08:27 |
| qiyong | # ifconfig eth1 | 08:27 |
| qiyong | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8B:F8:A0:9D | 08:27 |
| qiyong | inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 | 08:27 |
| qiyong | # ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1/28 | 08:27 |
| qiyong | # ifconfig eth1 | 08:27 |
| qiyong | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8B:F8:A0:9D | 08:27 |
| qiyong | inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.15 Mask:255.255.255.240 | 08:27 |
| qiyong | shawarma, see, the first try doesn't get it right, the second does | 08:27 |
| shawarma | Hm... I didn't even know you could use CIDR notation. | 08:30 |
| shawarma | qiyong: Could you file a bug on launchpad about that? | 08:31 |
| Pumpernickel | What'd the time delay between each of those commands? | 08:31 |
| qiyong | shawarma, i was tryping to find the net-tools official site to report to htem | 08:32 |
| qiyong | s/htem/them/ | 08:32 |
| qiyong | shawarma, cidr? | 08:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | qiyong, using /28 | 08:33 |
| shawarma | qiyong: Yeah, ip_address/number_of_ones_in_the_netmask | 08:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ip/mask | 08:33 |
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| qiyong | Kamping_Kaiser, what cidr stands for? | 08:36 |
| coNP | Classless Inter-Domain Routing, I guess | 08:36 |
| qiyong | i don't realise any relations between ip/mask and cidr coNP | 08:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | qiyong, the format 192.168.0.1/28 is called cidr | 08:38 |
| coNP | qiyong: I did not see your original question just answered what CIDR stands for | 08:38 |
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| ivoks | hi | 03:20 |
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| shawarma | hi, ivoks. | 04:04 |
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| ivoks | i saw your post | 04:04 |
| bkudria | is php5(-cgi) in feisty compiled with fastcgi support? | 04:04 |
| ivoks | shawarma: mysql will be very hard to fix, since that's a design bug :) | 04:05 |
| ivoks | libapache2-mod-fcgid - an alternative module compat with mod_fastcgi | 04:06 |
| ivoks | meh... php5 :) | 04:06 |
| ivoks | sorry | 04:06 |
| bkudria | ivoks:right, that's the fcgid module. is php4 (and 4) compiled with fastcgi support? | 04:07 |
| bkudria | i assume php5-cgi is, but i wanted to check | 04:07 |
| bkudria | i meant php5 and php4 | 04:07 |
| shawarma | ivoks: It's not necessarily that difficult. It should be a matter of checking if the connecting user is root (system root, not mysql root) and thus grant him full privileges. | 04:10 |
| shawarma | ivoks: That will do away with cleartext passwords in config files and all the other questionable bits. | 04:10 |
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| ivoks | shawarma: yeah, but sometime you want to give root access to mysql to non-root user | 04:12 |
| ivoks | shawarma: so fix whould check if password is empty and uid is 0 | 04:12 |
| ivoks | shawarma: basicly, if pass is empty, only uid=0 can be mysql root | 04:12 |
| ivoks | otherwise, everybody can connect as root | 04:13 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Sure we need to give (mysql) root access to non-root users. We just want to special case the system root user. | 04:13 |
| ivoks | so, system root should access mysql without password, even if it is set? | 04:14 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Yes. | 04:14 |
| ivoks | ok, that's ok... | 04:14 |
| ivoks | then, random password for mysql root by default? | 04:14 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Actually, rather a disabled password. | 04:15 |
| ivoks | even better | 04:15 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Since a random password could potentially be "thepassword" | 04:15 |
| ivoks | right | 04:15 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Which is always my second guess :) | 04:15 |
| shawarma | (the first one being "password") | 04:15 |
| ivoks | but, if password is not set... | 04:15 |
| ivoks | does that mean 'no password'? | 04:16 |
| shawarma | Yes. | 04:16 |
| ivoks | then we are back at start :) | 04:16 |
| shawarma | I didn't say "no password". | 04:16 |
| shawarma | I said "disabled password2. | 04:16 |
| ivoks | right... | 04:16 |
| shawarma | s/2/"/ | 04:16 |
| ivoks | my bad | 04:16 |
| ivoks | that's fine | 04:17 |
| ivoks | and result would be 'even better than by default' | 04:17 |
| ivoks | cause i hate to remember all those password on single machine :) | 04:17 |
| ivoks | with such setup, creating mysql root password would be pointless, except we want to give another user full permisions... | 04:19 |
| ivoks | when we want.. | 04:19 |
| ivoks | shawarma: i like your idea :) | 04:19 |
| bkudria | i want to run several apache2 vhosts with php4 and php5 using fcgid. i can't seem to find any tutorials that describe the ubuntu way of doing this. can anyone help, or point me in the right direction? | 04:19 |
| ivoks | bkudria: in /etc/apache2/sites-available create your vhosts file | 04:21 |
| bkudria | ivoks: ok. | 04:21 |
| ivoks | and create virtual hosts in it | 04:21 |
| ivoks | you know how to do that? | 04:21 |
| bkudria | yep :) | 04:21 |
| ivoks | then, after you create them | 04:21 |
| bkudria | a2ensite? | 04:22 |
| ivoks | right | 04:22 |
| ivoks | and... that's it | 04:22 |
| bkudria | what about fcgid, and php5? | 04:22 |
| ivoks | well, there is php5-cgi, but i don't know if it is compiled with fastcgi | 04:23 |
| mralphabet | I don't think it is, I looked at the module list and it doesn't list fastcgi | 04:23 |
| ivoks | well... this is README: | 04:24 |
| ivoks | PHP for any webservers. Our recommendation is that, if you need | 04:24 |
| ivoks | to use a threaded webserver, you should use php5-cgi in either | 04:24 |
| ivoks | 'normal' CGI mode, or in FastCGI mode. | 04:24 |
| bkudria | nope, its compiled with fastcgi | 04:24 |
| ivoks | this is README.Debian.gz, so I guess | 04:24 |
| ivoks | right | 04:24 |
| bkudria | php5-cgi -v shows (cgi-fcgi) | 04:24 |
| ivoks | bkudria: it is | 04:24 |
| ivoks | since 2005. | 04:25 |
| bkudria | so,do i need to do anything other than installing it and a2enmodding it? | 04:25 |
| ivoks | yes | 04:25 |
| ivoks | write web pages :) | 04:25 |
| bkudria | oh, ok, i'll try testing it. | 04:26 |
| bkudria | now, next question | 04:26 |
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| J_P | hi all | 04:27 |
| bkudria | i need php4 and php5 both running under apache, php4 for one set of vhosts, and php5 for another. how can i do this? how would i switch between the two? | 04:27 |
| ivoks | bkudria: it's possible | 04:28 |
| J_P | people, I have a problem : I install ubuntu-server with RAID1, but quando machine are rebooting show this : "Stopping MD array md0... [ fail ] " Anyone could help me why this ? | 04:28 |
| bkudria | ivoks: do you know how to do it? | 04:28 |
| ivoks | i have example for mod_rewrite | 04:28 |
| ivoks | oh, i don't :) | 04:29 |
| mralphabet | J_P: you reboot your machine? | 04:29 |
| mralphabet | J_P: ;) | 04:29 |
| J_P | mralphabet: yes. | 04:29 |
| ivoks | bkudria: load modules which you need in vhost you need | 04:29 |
| bkudria | ivoks: ok, i'll try that, i guess | 04:30 |
| bkudria | thanks | 04:30 |
| ivoks | AddType application/x-httpd-php4 .php | 04:30 |
| ivoks | something like that | 04:30 |
| mralphabet | J_P: I have the same thing happen, it isn't something I worry about | 04:30 |
| J_P | mralphabet: you have this message too ? | 04:31 |
| ivoks | well, maybe you don't have md0? | 04:31 |
| J_P | ivoks: yes, I have! | 04:31 |
| J_P | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 04:31 |
| J_P | /dev/md0 293G 562M 278G 1% / | 04:31 |
| bkudria | ivoks: hmm, would it be possible to create two subdirs under sites-available, and have one be php4, and the other be php5? | 04:32 |
| ivoks | bkudria: i don't see why not | 04:32 |
| bkudria | ivoks: ok, i'll try playing with it. thanks | 04:32 |
| bkudria | ivoks: but then i'd have to wrap or rewrite a2ensite. all it does is make the symlink, right? | 04:33 |
| ivoks | a2ensite does links yes | 04:33 |
| J_P | are there two mdadm on init.d: mdadm-raid and mdadm. why two ? | 04:33 |
| ivoks | but you were asking about design of file which a2ensite would link | 04:33 |
| ivoks | bbl bye | 04:34 |
| J_P | mralphabet: are here ? | 04:34 |
| mralphabet | J_P: yes | 04:35 |
| J_P | mralphabet: on 6.10 don't have this problem, only in 7.04, and for you ? | 04:36 |
| mralphabet | 7.04 and yes | 04:36 |
| J_P | mralphabet: I | 04:36 |
| J_P | mralphabet: I'm curious, because this machine is for postgresql production.... | 04:37 |
| J_P | dangerous.... maybe | 04:37 |
| J_P | ? | 04:37 |
| mralphabet | perhaps | 04:37 |
| mralphabet | The machine I run it on is lower priority and takes less the 15 minutes to set back up if a drive fails | 04:38 |
| mralphabet | so it wasn't something that I worried about, not saying that *you* shouldn't worry about it | 04:39 |
| J_P | mralphabet: where/who we can know better about this ? I try see /etc/init.d/mdadm and mdadm-raid scripts.. but not sucess to know why taht message (fail).... | 04:40 |
| mralphabet | J_P: I don't know actually, I haven't found an mdadm expert to chat with about it | 04:42 |
| J_P | mralphabet: this moment I think in debian (confiability/stability)... I yet have somes debian servers... | 04:42 |
| mralphabet | J_P: I'm looking at one of the debian mailing lists with somebody mentioning the same problem | 04:44 |
| J_P | mralphabet: with etch ? | 04:44 |
| mralphabet | J_P: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/28/144659.html | 04:47 |
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| mralphabet | J_P: click on Next Msg on the right hand side to read through responses | 04:48 |
| mralphabet | FYI - found that thread from http://www.google.com/search?q=Stopping+md+array+md0+fail | 04:49 |
| J_P | mralphabet: > Should I simply ignore the message? | 04:51 |
| J_P | > "topping MD array md0... failed (busy)" Yes, unless it is *causing* a real and noticeable problem. But so far from the discussion I've read, it isn't. So yes, ignore it. | 04:51 |
| J_P | mralphabet: He told that problem is because is / fs... | 04:52 |
| J_P | mralphabet: so if that raid is not on / fs. In /home for example.. maybe don't have this message (fail) right ? | 04:53 |
| bkudria | can someone walk me through enableing php5 support with fcgid and apache2? i've already got all the packages installed, and a vhost setup. how do i enabled php5? | 04:56 |
| mralphabet | J_P: right | 05:11 |
| mralphabet | bkudria: try #apache | 05:11 |
| bkudria | mralphabet: they'll point me to #php, who'll point me to my distro's channel. :) | 05:12 |
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| mralphabet | hahahaha | 05:14 |
| mralphabet | well that's no help | 05:14 |
| mralphabet | I just don't know how many apache experts there are in here | 05:14 |
| bkudria | grumble, grumble | 05:15 |
| ivoks | what's the problem? | 05:15 |
| bkudria | (I tried asking in #debian, too) | 05:15 |
| bkudria | ivoks: you're back! | 05:15 |
| bkudria | ivoks: php doesn't work | 05:15 |
| ivoks | well, you can't expect everything would get solved pro bono :) | 05:15 |
| bkudria | ivoks: well,you said it would "just work" | 05:16 |
| ivoks | well, php really just works | 05:16 |
| bkudria | except when on exotic setups like mine | 05:16 |
| ivoks | you want php for apache, right? | 05:16 |
| bkudria | right | 05:16 |
| bkudria | but running under fcgid | 05:16 |
| ivoks | does it realy have to be php5-cgi? | 05:16 |
| bkudria | or php4-cgi | 05:16 |
| bkudria | the problemis, we have some clients that need php4, and some that need php5, and we need to be able to support both | 05:17 |
| ivoks | and it realy have to cgi? | 05:17 |
| ivoks | or we are talking about normal php web pages | 05:17 |
| bkudria | unless you know another method to run both php4 and php5? | 05:17 |
| bkudria | because mod_php4 and mod_php5 cannot coexist | 05:18 |
| bkudria | so, yes, cgi | 05:18 |
| bkudria | is that a problem? | 05:18 |
| mralphabet | can't you run seperate httpd.conf's? | 05:18 |
| bkudria | mralphabet: then i'd have run seperate apaches, and i don't want to do that | 05:18 |
| bkudria | plus, fcgid is a more elegant method | 05:18 |
| ivoks | hm, why are they in conflict? :/ | 05:19 |
| mralphabet | elegant and "working right now" are two different things, I agree, but "working right now" solves your problem while you work on elegant | 05:19 |
| bkudria | ivoks: so, any clue? | 05:19 |
| bkudria | mralphabet: well, i have a nother server running freebsd and php4 "working right now" :) | 05:20 |
| mralphabet | fair enough | 05:20 |
| bkudria | ivoks: no clue. they use the same c++ symbol or somethign | 05:20 |
| bkudria | ivoks: they don't work together | 05:20 |
| ivoks | bkudria: you get ubuntu with working php5 'right now' just by installing libapache2-mod-php5 | 05:20 |
| ivoks | bkudria: so your argument with freebsd is not fair | 05:20 |
| ivoks | or correct | 05:20 |
| bkudria | ivoks: ok, fine. | 05:21 |
| ivoks | but... | 05:21 |
| bkudria | ivoks: is that to say running php5 under fcgid with ubuntu is impossible? | 05:21 |
| ivoks | did you try installing php4-cgi and apache2 php5 module? | 05:21 |
| bkudria | i'd rather run both under cgi, not just one | 05:21 |
| bkudria | to simplify configuration | 05:21 |
| ivoks | bkudria: again, you are trying to have php4 and php5 in the same time | 05:21 |
| bkudria | ivoks: correct | 05:22 |
| ivoks | is that working on freebsd? | 05:22 |
| bkudria | ivoks: no, on freebsd, we just run mod_php4. anyway, we are transitioning from freebsd, because i like debian/ubuntu better | 05:22 |
| bkudria | :) | 05:22 |
| ivoks | hm... | 05:22 |
| ivoks | http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_with_php5_and_php4 | 05:23 |
| ivoks | that's, as i said, php4-cgi and php5 module :/ | 05:23 |
| bkudria | huh. i'll take a look at that | 05:23 |
| bkudria | except i'll run both as cgi | 05:23 |
| bkudria | to simplify configuration | 05:24 |
| ivoks | ok, then install both php5-cgi and php4-cgi | 05:24 |
| bkudria | well, first i'll get php5 working | 05:24 |
| bkudria | then i'll focus on php4 | 05:24 |
| ivoks | you need: | 05:25 |
| ivoks | AddHandler php-script .php | 05:25 |
| bkudria | and then Action php-script /cgi-bin/php5 ? | 05:26 |
| bkudria | except i'll do php5-script | 05:26 |
| bkudria | and php4-script | 05:26 |
| bkudria | and change them per vhost | 05:26 |
| bkudria | ok, i'll try that, thanks | 05:26 |
| bkudria | hmm, "Invalid command 'Action', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" . | 05:28 |
| bkudria | any idea? | 05:28 |
| ivoks | http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_suphp_php4_php5_p3 | 05:30 |
| ivoks | there, both cgi | 05:30 |
| ivoks | + bonus - suexec | 05:30 |
| ivoks | err... suphp | 05:30 |
| bkudria | aah, actions module wasn't loaded | 05:32 |
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| bkudria | ivoks: nice, thanks | 05:32 |
| ivoks | lol | 05:33 |
| bkudria | mralphabet: i searched that site too,you know! | 05:33 |
| bkudria | indeed, the googlefu. | 05:33 |
| ivoks | google is grep of 21st century | 05:36 |
| bkudria | ivoks: yep, it works. thanks a lot | 05:36 |
| bkudria | ivoks: i need to do something else before i continue with php4, but i'll comeback and bother you if i run into any trouble, ok? | 05:37 |
| ivoks | :) | 05:37 |
| ivoks | php4 isn't supported anymore | 05:37 |
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| bkudria | hmm, does ubuntu include php4? at all? | 07:30 |
| malakhi | bkudria: Pretty sure it was removed for feisty | 07:39 |
| bkudria | hmm, i need it. | 07:39 |
| bkudria | where would be the best place to get it? | 07:39 |
| shawarma | bkudria: What do you need it for? I'm just curious.. | 07:40 |
| bkudria | shawarma: we have some client that require php4for some apps | 07:41 |
| bkudria | shawarma: for example,oscommerce doesn't work with php5 | 07:41 |
| shawarma | bkudria: Yes, it does. | 07:44 |
| shawarma | :) | 07:44 |
| bkudria | not last time i checked... | 07:44 |
| bkudria | anyway, i'dlike to have the option of php4 | 07:44 |
| bkudria | or, the versionwe are running doesn't | 07:44 |
| bkudria | and i'd like to do one upgrade at a time | 07:44 |
| bkudria | so, the current requirement is that we need to have php4 | 07:44 |
| bkudria | how can i get, say, php4 packages from edgy? | 07:46 |
| bkudria | can i just include the repository? | 07:46 |
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| malakhi | bkudria: I don't know if installing the php4 packages from edgy would work or not. If you go that route, I'd try it on a test server first. | 07:49 |
| malakhi | Why not just used edgy or dapper? | 07:49 |
| bkudria | malakhi: this *is* a test server | 07:49 |
| bkudria | malakhi: because i already have feisty,and i don't want to reinstall | 07:49 |
| malakhi | ok. You can give it a shot. No idea if it will work or not. | 07:50 |
| bkudria | hmm. if it doesn't work, i guess i'll have to downgrade | 07:52 |
| bkudria | eww | 07:52 |
| bkudria | can i just add the edgy repo? | 07:53 |
| malakhi | bkudria: You can try it. I don't see why it wouldn't work ok. | 07:55 |
| malakhi | bkudria: Just be mindful of any depends it might bring with it. (wouldn't want to break current packages) | 07:56 |
| bkudria | right, i'll watch for that | 07:56 |
| bkudria | malakhi: although it would be strange if php4 depended on something, but restricted it to "version x.y.z or lower" | 07:56 |
| malakhi | bkudria: Not so strange as you might think. I run into funny depends like that all the time on my Debian Sid box, but expect it there. | 07:57 |
| bkudria | ok, i'll watch for it | 07:57 |
| bkudria | thanks | 07:57 |
| malakhi | np | 08:00 |
| bkudria | yay,it works! | 08:04 |
| bkudria | thanks a lot! | 08:04 |
| bkudria | ok, i am going out to lunch | 08:05 |
| malakhi | enjoy | 08:05 |
| bkudria | mm, i did | 08:32 |
| bkudria | chicken tacos :) | 08:32 |
| Panzer_ | would setting up server to get time from ntp server be hard? | 08:57 |
| mralphabet | Panzer_: no | 08:59 |
| Panzer_ | ok cool | 09:00 |
| bkudria | :) | 09:01 |
| Panzer_ | still new to linux. and decided to start at command line. so got a install of dapper on a server | 09:02 |
| Panzer_ | well of course dapper server. | 09:02 |
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| bkudria | i just installed mysql-server anf phpmyadmin. how do i login? | 11:35 |
| bkudria | to phpmyadmin, i mean | 11:35 |
| shawarma | What have you tried yet? | 11:36 |
| bkudria | i haven't tried anything :) | 11:37 |
| bkudria | hmm, i see also now scripts/setup.php | 11:37 |
| bkudria | going there shows this warning: | 11:37 |
| bkudria | Please create web server writable folder config in phpMyAdmin toplevel directory as described in documentation. Otherwise you will be only able to download or display it. | 11:37 |
| bkudria | and /var/www/phpmyadmin/config/config.inc.phpis a symlink to /var/lib/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php | 11:38 |
| bkudria | which nis owned by www-data | 11:38 |
| bkudria | so it should be able to work, no? | 11:38 |
| bkudria | there is a blowfish cookie in that file, what is the default password? | 11:39 |
| bkudria | or, how should i be making it work? | 11:39 |
| shawarma | You're much more likely to get good help here if you actually try first and the ask when you run into trouble. | 11:40 |
| shawarma | phpmyadmin has no password of its own. | 11:40 |
| shawarma | Your authenticating against mysql. | 11:40 |
| bkudria | oh, ok | 11:41 |
| bkudria | how do i set the mysql password? | 11:41 |
| bkudria | or, do i need to create a user? | 11:41 |
| shawarma | You can probably just log in as root without a password. | 11:41 |
| shawarma | I've got to go now. | 11:41 |
| shawarma | Cheers. | 11:41 |
| bkudria | ok | 11:43 |
| bkudria | root without a password doesn't work! | 11:43 |
| bkudria | shawarma: wait,don't go! | 11:43 |
| bkudria | help! | 11:43 |
| bkudria | aah, i got it, nm | 11:45 |
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