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Hobbseemorning all07:00
Tm_Tgood morning07:00
ubotuI phear the stick so shhhhh07:01
Tm_Ttheshkrieek: sshhhh07:01
pygiyou mean someone is actually afraid of hobsee? :P07:04
Tm_Tpygi: theshkrieek is, as he should07:04
pygiI disagree07:05
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Tm_Tand you should be afraid of me07:06
pygimeh, dude, you can't even touch me07:08
JucatoTm_T:!!! where were you when I needed you :(07:12
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JucatoTm_T: um. later... gonna take a rest from this splitting headache :(07:14
Tm_TJucato: and I'm going to work, see you later ->07:17
DaSkreechAnyone use xnest a bit?07:40
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DaSkreechwho gimped adept?08:14
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Tm_TDaSkreech: hm?08:27
DaSkreechyou can't switch modes on the fly anymore08:28
ubotubotsnack has no aliases - added by Amaranth on 2006-08-05 08:42:0508:38
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ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!08:38
DaSkreechTm_T: Yeah I could install a bunch of stuff then go back to the package list and look over more stuff08:39
DaSkreechcan't do that anymore :(08:39
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JucatoDaSkreech: um.. View menu -> Package List?09:11
DaSkreechDoesn't work here09:11
DaSkreechLet me install something and see09:11
DaSkreechvery much doesn't work here09:13
DaSkreechthe only thing still active during a download is hide toolbar09:14
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Jucatolet me double check. I was using adept_manager last night and it was ok09:14
DaSkreechHobbsee: red?09:14
HobbseeDaSkreech: no, purple.09:15
JucatoDaSkreech: you do mean Adept Manager right?09:15
DaSkreechhmm less tanning lotion09:15
DaSkreechJucato: that's yes for you :)09:17
DaSkreechCan Konqui import FF's history?09:17
Jucatonope. I don't think so09:17
Jucatoanyway, what do you mean by "hide toolbar" is the only thing active during a download?09:18
Jucatoif you could reproduce steps. would be nice for trying to check this bug :)09:18
DaSkreechselect random app that takes more then 4 seconds to download -> select request install -> click on Apply changes -> open view menu -> obsserve that you can't do much but watch the download happen -> go watch heroes -> wait two days and randomly bring it up in a dev channel -> wait for request to confirm bug -> paste this handy dandy line09:20
Jucatook let me try09:20
Jucatowell, I sure can switch to Show Package List, Show Last Dpkg Run, Show Last Download09:22
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Tm_TJucato: pong09:22
JucatoTm_T: yay! done w/ work? :D09:23
Tm_Tin work09:23
DaSkreechJucato: version09:23
Tm_Tbut have some sparetime if you need me09:23
JucatoDaSkreech: Adept Manager 2.109:23
JucatoTm_T: well anyway, I got bluetooth DUN GPRS working perfectly except for one thing. I can't connect to IRC09:23
JucatoDaSkreech: yes09:23
DaSkreechwell... that was interesting09:24
DaSkreechso thats how you open a image in cli09:24
JucatoTm_T: have you ever experienced that? IM, Browsing, Apt-get all work well (except for the speed, but who's complaining)09:24
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Tm_TJucato: can you tell more exactly what doesn't work?09:26
Tm_Tlike, can you ping irc server? and what servers and ports you tried?09:27
JucatoTm_T: only IRC. I just can't connect to IRC... where could I go for specific logs?09:27
Tm_Tno idea =)09:27
Jucatoyeah pinging the server works, tried 6667 and 8001 ports09:27
Jucatofreenode only (it's the only one I need/know)09:27
Tm_Tand which freenode server?09:29
Jucatowell, irc.ubuntu.com or irc.freenode.net. either of those09:29
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DaSkreechJucato: DUN?09:29
JucatoDial Up Networking09:29
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DaSkreechJucato: no I'm asking if that's what you are asking for help with09:31
HobbseeJucato: DaSkreech it's ZVCDU.09:31
Jucatowell, the only problem I had was that I couldn't connect to IRC, no matter what client I tried09:31
Hobbseenot DUN09:31
JucatoHobbsee: what's that? O.o09:31
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HobbseeZe Very Crappy Dial Up.09:32
Jucatolol :)09:32
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DaSkreechWell I'm on Ze Dial up and Ze Vista09:32
Hobbseeoh no.  nixternal did it?09:32
DaSkreechno my mom09:33
DaSkreechShould fix that tomorrow09:33
Hobbseeand is Ze Sweedish Chef cooking you dinner?09:33
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DaSkreechBork Bork!09:34
DaSkreechNight all09:41
Hobbseenight DaSkreech09:42
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Tm_TJucato: well, irc.freenode.net is not actually one server, so, howq about directly pointing some specific server09:57
Tm_TJucato: and does irc client give any error then09:58
JucatoTm_T: hm.. ok... I'll try. I never really noticed which server it was trying to connect to. but iirc, it changes server everytime you try to connect, and I've tried it dozens of time09:58
Jucatono error, just connection lost and tries again09:58
Jucatothis  is after the initial "Connected: logging in"09:59
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Tm_Tand what clients you tried?10:03
Jucatoirssi and konversation10:03
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JucatoTm_T: Trying to connect to kubrick.freenode.net. I can definitely ping that one. it stops at "No identd (auth) response"10:15
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tomai'm having troubles with vmware, anyone around?10:16
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raphinkhi guys :)10:50
Hobbseehiya raphink :)10:54
raphinkhi Hobbsee10:54
Tm_Thowdy ho10:55
raphinkhi Tm_T10:55
Tm_Traphy (:10:55
raphinkoh I get a an upside-down smile10:57
Tm_Tor lefthanded10:58
raphinkI don't know, I don't usually use my hands to smile10:59
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viviersfRiddell, ping11:20
Riddellhi viviersf11:21
Hobbseemorning Riddell11:45
gnomefreakmorning everyone11:51
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HobbseeRiddell: you here?12:13
HobbseeRiddell: if i want to create a kubuntu-restricted-extras package, like the current ubuntu one, and have deps like libk3b2-mp3 in there - is it better to use shlibdeps stuff (ie, libk3b-dev as a build dep), or just hardcode the particular library in those files?  it seems to be using a similar thing to seeds12:14
Hobbsee(or should i ask mvo?)12:14
Riddellhmm, never seen that ubuntu one12:16
Riddellyeah, go for it, look at the ubuntu source to see how that's done12:17
HobbseeRiddell: i have.  they dont use a specific library12:17
Hobbseeso theyhavent had to face the issue12:17
Riddelljust hard code then12:17
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gnomefreakwill kubuntu implement restricted-drivers-manager for gutsy?12:19
gnomefreakHobbsee: that is an eivl package12:19
Hobbseegnomefreak: depends if anyone writes one.  i cant ermember who was looking into it12:20
Riddellmhb has it on his summer of code todo12:20
gnomefreakok cool ty12:21
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xerosisis there a back-end for r-d-m?12:27
Hobbseeno idea.  id' think so - it's in ubuntu12:33
Riddellit's mostly separated between backend and frontend12:34
Riddellas I say mhb will do it after gdebi12:35
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Hobbseeperhaps not in debian.  oh well, i'ts used in ubuntu.12:38
Hobbseewho's Andreas Simon?12:43
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Jucatowhatever happened to LG3D anyway?12:45
RiddellHobbsee: a motu potential12:46
HobbseeRiddell: i meant irc nick12:46
HobbseeRiddell: i'm looking at kde4-style-qtcurve which looks fine, but there's a newer version12:47
Hobbseei'm wondering whether to ack and upload the old versino, as you've already ack'd it, or to get him to uploa dhte new version12:47
Hobbseethe reason my changes to k-r-e arent on revu is because i'm not uploading them there.12:48
Riddelloh, extras12:51
Riddellget an archive admin to remove if from new if you accidently uploaded to ubuntu12:51
Hobbseethey'll rejected it12:52
HobbseeRiddell: can you look into http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5482 ?12:53
Hobbsee(it incidently is the latest version in the ubuntu NEW queue)12:53
Hobbseeer, s/rejected/reject/12:54
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hungerAny idea what I can do to get my fontsizes fixed up again in Qt apps? They got much bigger last week. Forcing the font resolution does not help.01:30
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hungerChanging the DisplaySize in xorg.conf does change the font sizes in kdm, but not in my KDE session. Is there anything in the user setup that can influence the DPI?01:38
mhbhunger: you can "enforce" the DPI using systemsettings/appearance/fonts I think01:43
hungermhb: That was ignored yesterday. Seems to work now though... thanks.01:49
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Jucatooops.. thought you were a ball...02:45
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Jucatodo we have an #ubuntu-artists channel?02:45
Jucatowhat would be the name?02:46
Tm_Tisn't it #ubuntu-artists ?02:46
Jucatonope. empty02:46
Jucatoah thanks. someone was asking :)02:47
Tm_Thaven't been there for awhile so forgot02:47
mhbright, artwork; -art is a redirect.02:47
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seeleRiddell: sorry this took so long: http://obso1337.org/hci/kde/Kubuntu_Installation_Usability_testing_June_2007.pdf03:05
Riddellseele: great, looking03:09
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Riddellseele: plenty to read and act on there03:27
Riddellseele: we actually have a new ubiquity maintainer now, evand.  I guess me and colin and him should discuss the recommendations and see if there's time to get those done03:28
seelesome of them might not be exact because it was from testing herd 503:28
seelebut i think its pretty obvious that partitioning needs to be looked at03:29
Riddellwhich of course there should be since he's working on it full time now03:29
seelei didnt think it was as big of a problem until i saw people struggling to bad03:29
Jucatoseele: I have a question. Did anyone who participated in the tests know that they could select a different partition/drive to install GRUB to?03:29
seeleJucato: no03:29
seeleJucato: i tested people who were familiar with installing/configuring software on windows (someone who might be interested in trying out linux)03:30
seelei think trying to explain a bootloader would have made them esplode03:30
Jucatopartitioning would have already made them explode :)03:30
JucatoI'm bad.. I haven't given ubiquity much attention because I preferred alternate install cd's :(03:31
JucatoI wonder if it has a sort of Help button with a corresponding guide...03:32
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seelehi Hobbsee03:33
Lureseele: nice report with lots of good points03:33
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xerosisseele: while you're here do you might having a quick look a UI?03:57
xerosisseele: it's just rough but need to see if I'm on the right lines...03:57
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seelexerosis: i can look, but technically i'm at work :)04:01
_marseillais_When is the freeze for new software inclusion ?04:02
xerosisseele: oh okay no worries, just give me ping next time you're at home :)04:02
Riddell_marseillais_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseSchedule04:06
_marseillais_i must hurry to include pikdev ....04:07
_marseillais_but it seems it is unmaintained04:08
Riddellwhat's that?04:08
Riddellaugust 16th is UVF04:09
_marseillais_i thought it was Remaining upstream merges completed, Rebuild Test the 21 june for new apps ....04:09
_marseillais_thanks Riddell04:09
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dinosaur-ruswhy did Tm_T hide? :)04:48
Tm_Tdon't pretend you are not in mafia, all russians are04:48
Tm_TI know, but you won't get ME!04:49
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dinosaur-rusI'm harmless :)04:49
Tm_Tso they all say04:49
Tm_Tand then you lose your ears04:49
Tm_Thum, from what region you are?04:50
Tm_Thumm, that far, shame04:50
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Tm_TI'm from eastern Finland04:51
dinosaur-rusnot so far :)04:51
Tm_Tok, so I can assassinate you before you kill more innocent hu-mans04:52
dinosaur-rusoh, then I should hide from you, not you from me :)04:52
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dinosaur-rushey :))04:55
Tm_They hey *bang*04:56
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dinosaur-rusis Qt 4.3 going to be released for pre-Gutsy distributions?05:01
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: unlikely, unless anyone puts in the effort to do it05:01
Hobbseewonder what it requires to do...05:02
Hobbseei dont think there are current plans to05:02
dinosaur-rusanother question -- recently OpenOffice.org released bugfix-only 2.2.1 version of their software. will packages be updated?05:05
Hobbseefor what, feisty?05:05
Hobbseeunlikely, as it's so huge.  mind you, one could use PPA and launchpad for that, i guess....05:06
Hobbseedepends on the demand and such05:06
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HobbseeRiddell: ping?05:14
HobbseeRiddell: what are your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/119467?05:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 05:15
RiddellHobbsee: the general policy is that any package which can be removed and you can still sanely call the result a "kubuntu desktop" should be recommends05:19
HobbseeRiddell: right.  have you got any problems with any of those packages being moved to recommends?05:19
Riddellwhether e.g. amarok should be in there is unclear05:19
Hobbseeand the other question is the technical one - how to change it?05:19
Hobbseewlel, a base kde desktop, i would expect, would be part of kubuntu-desktkop05:19
Hobbseewithout the extra, cool, kde apps05:19
Riddellseems to me it wouldn't be kubuntu without amarok05:19
Riddellyou put brackets around the name in the seeds05:19
Riddellstrigi should be recommends certainly05:19
HobbseeRiddell: true that.  it's the case of people who compile it from svn or whatever05:19
HobbseeRiddell: ie, how much of a base kubuntu do you need, and which components cant you remove05:19
Hobbseenot "what's the best desktop experience?"05:19
Hobbseebecause of course, having everything in k-d installed is going to be the best05:19
Tm_Terr, if you don't like to have "full Kubuntu desktop" how about not installing kubuntu-desktop ?05:25
Tm_Tor what's the problem?05:25
Riddellthat's kindae my thinking05:26
Tm_Twell that's sort of logical thinking?05:26
Tm_Twhole point of kubuntu-desktop is to provide, err, kubuntu desktop05:26
Riddellthe ones marked recommends are so because it's understandable not to use them, knetworkmanager isn't right for everyone, neither is openoffice05:26
Tm_Tnot "minimal desktop with some recommends"05:26
Tm_Tdoing dishes while kdelibs compiles ->05:27
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Tm_THobbsee: err, that's not punishment05:39
Tm_Tbash them to Russia05:39
dinosaur-rusTm_T, don't be so unfriendly :)05:40
Tm_TI'm not (;05:41
Tm_Tyou remember the times when people were transmitted to Siberia for punishment?05:42
dinosaur-rusTm_T, lots of time passed since then. don't shame on Russia for USSR's mistakes05:43
Tm_Twe still say "Siperia opettaa" = "Siberia teatches"05:43
Tm_Tdinosaur-rus: I don't =)05:43
dinosaur-rusand mistakes of pre-USSR time05:43
Tm_Tdinosaur-rus: just my way of seeing world, always humour in it05:47
Tm_Tworld and life05:47
HobbseeRiddell: i'm suspecting we should support the choice of users that they may want to remove some apps.05:48
Hobbseebut it does cause headaches for upgrades, i guess05:48
HobbseeRiddell: by the number of bugs about it...it's something that's reqeuested, for wahtever reason05:48
Hobbseeand it's an alternative to installing kdebase and kdelibs, and then bitching about no khelpcentre or whatever05:49
dinosaur-rusohhh, KDE4 is going to be released a bit too late to be finally included in Gutsy :P05:56
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mhbdinosaur-rus: actually, WAY too late06:00
xerosiswow, nice last comment in that bug...06:02
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dinosaur-rusmhb: KDE4'll be released after just 5 days after Gutsy :)) less than a week06:03
dinosaur-rusxerois: lol06:03
dinosaur-rusxerosis: and it's soo long :)06:04
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mhbdinosaur-rus: I know, but we would need to have it released before our feature freeze06:09
mhbdinosaur-rus: which is a lot earlier than final release06:10
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dinosaur-rushow the next-to-Gutsy version will be called? IIRC, "H" letter is already used :P06:18
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: no one knows06:18
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marseillaicould anyone give me a name of a pykde based package done with CDBS? if possible a simple one. it's to see how it's done.06:36
RiddellI doubt we have any06:36
Riddellcheck all the ones from apt-cache rdepends python-kde306:37
marseillaii'll try lphoto06:37
marseillaigrrrr debhelper06:38
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RiddellI don't think there will be any06:42
Riddelljust use debhelper, it's not so bad06:42
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HobbseeRiddell: is there a legit reason for ~/.local/ to be owned by root?06:45
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RiddellHobbsee: can't imagine so06:50
Riddellhi kwwii, how's the food at mountain view?06:50
HobbseeRiddell: that's the solution for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kdebase/+bug/88426 - where best to implement it?  ie, chowning it back to the regualr users06:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 88426 in kdebase "kmenuedit does not save changes." [Low,Confirmed] 06:50
kwwiiRiddell: pretty good but I am still sick06:51
kwwiiRiddell: the DA meeting starts tomorrow06:51
kwwiibeen here working with intel and nokia people since yesterday06:51
Riddellkwwii: you shouldn't be working if you're sick!06:53
kwwiiRiddell: well, I came all this way so just staying in the hotel seems stupid06:54
RiddellHobbsee: solution would be to find out what's chowning it to root and fixing that06:56
HobbseeRiddell: true that06:56
HobbseeRiddell: work around would be to chown it after adept runs each time or somethiing.  or after kdesudo runs.06:57
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Tonio_hey ;)06:58
Tonio_anyone there (c++ coder required)06:58
Tonio_I have to write a fix for ark, for I can't find the function/class I need06:58
Tonio_hey ;)06:58
Tonio_mhb: ping ?07:03
Tonio_or Riddell ?07:03
fdovingTonio_: hi. what ark fix?07:04
Tonio_fdoving: simply :07:04
Tonio_zip files don't have the filename encoding in it07:04
mhbTonio_: here07:04
Tonio_the zip binary by defaults encodes file names using latin-107:04
Tonio_that's a zip format limitation07:04
Tonio_the point is that when you want to display a zip file content with ark07:05
Tonio_it considers everything is utf-807:05
Tonio_the idea would be to convert the filename string from latin1 to the system charset, utf-8 for ubuntu07:07
Tonio_and display this07:07
Tonio_that'll fix a 4 year old bug07:07
Tonio_the point is that I can't seem to find a class to convert a string charset.... all I know is iconv07:07
Tonio_mhb: hey ;) I hope you can help on that point07:07
fdovingTonio_: ah. i might, but i have to search some docs. i hate encodings. hang on.07:07
Tonio_once I get that class I think I an patch myself07:07
Tonio_fdoving: same for me :(07:07
Tonio_but it would be nice to fix this :)07:07
Tonio_for kubuntu, kde and the french parliament :)07:07
fdovingTonio_: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qtextcodec.html07:08
mhbfdoving: hi, have you commited your cleanup to kdesudo yet?07:10
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fdovingTonio_: and i think you would use something like: http://rafb.net/p/M46yMg96.html07:11
Tonio_fdoving: well the point is that I need to convert from iso-8859-1 to "the system charset"07:12
fdovingmhb: hi, i think so, i'll check.07:12
Tonio_fdoving: any idea how to get it ? via the env variables ?07:12
fdovingTonio_: ah, the other way around.07:12
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fdovingTonio_: then you can use local8Bit()07:13
Tonio_which is ?07:13
fdovingTonio_: A qstring member07:13
mhbfdoving: according to LP nothing was commited07:14
fdovingmhb: funny, i'll do it then.07:15
fdovingTonio_: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/i18n.html07:15
Tonio_thanks :)07:16
Tonio_that'll help07:16
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fdovingTonio_: the http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qstring.html#local8Bit is a good hint i guess.07:19
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fdovingmhb: commited.07:28
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fdovingTonio_: status?07:45
Tonio_fdoving: working on it :)07:45
Tonio_ark code is really ugly :)07:45
fdovingi met this cutie at work today: http://frode.kde.no/work/Bilde(243).jpg07:57
Hobbseefdoving: awww...cute :P07:58
fdoving.. and belive it or not, i met another one, bigger kind too: http://frode.kde.no/work/Bilde(244).jpg07:58
Hobbseevery cute :)07:59
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Riddellfdoving: sweet08:13
fdovingvery :)08:13
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=== marseillai don't understand
marseillaii'm building my package in pbuilder08:31
marseillaiand got this error :08:31
marseillaicd . && python2.5 setup.py build --build-base="/tmp/buildd/katchtv-0.91/./build"08:31
marseillaipython2.5: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory08:31
marseillaithere's no setup.py in my package08:31
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ScottK-laptopmarseillai: Is it a cdbs package?08:52
marseillaiScottK-laptop: yes but i give up this way08:52
marseillaii do all with install file08:53
marseillaiperhaps not the cleanest way08:53
marseillaibut the easier for me08:53
ScottK-laptopOK.  cdbs works really well if you have a good setup.py, but otherwise ...08:53
fdovingmarseillai: if you use cdbs, do you include any python magic at the top of the file?08:53
marseillaiDEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM = pysupport08:54
fdovingi don't know, i have no clue on anything python related.08:54
marseillaiScottK-laptop: i don't have any setup.py08:54
fdovingbut i guess cdbs looks for setup.py somehow.08:54
mhbmarseillai: remember what I said to you about multiple question marks?08:54
mhbmarseillai: :o)08:54
fdovingif you don't trigger it on your own, which you probably don't.08:55
marseillaimhb: ???????? i don't understand your sentence08:55
fdovingTonio_: status?08:56
marseillaifdoving: yes it was looking for setup.py in include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk so i remove it now and do it with my hand08:56
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ScottK-laptopmarseillai: If you figured a way to do it through an install file and it works, then I'd go with it.08:56
mhbmarseillai: posting multiple (?)s in one sentence is unnecessary and may appear rude08:57
marseillaiScottK-laptop: now i just need a wrapper ('im looking for an example) and a .desktop i'm doing right now and i should be ok08:57
ScottK-laptopOK.  Sorry can't help with that as all the Python packages I've done had a proper setup.py.08:58
marseillaimhb: oki sorry just a bad practice i have08:58
marseillaiScottK-laptop: do you know where i can find an example of a python wrapper09:07
ScottK-laptopNo, sorry.09:07
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LureRiddell: I have nominated bug 112120 fro Feisty SRU - it would be good to get displayconfig crashes also addressed09:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112120 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes at startup" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11212009:11
LureRiddell: not sure if we can fix more than one bug with one SRU09:11
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marseillaiapachelogger: you'll have to poke hobbsee ... :p09:19
RiddellLure: looks like a good one for SRU, yes you can fix more than one bug at once with a SRU09:19
marseillaiRiddell: my katchtv package is almost done i only need something to put in /usr/bin wich call /usr/share/katchtv/KatchTV could you tell me how to do ?09:21
marseillaidoes a simlink is enough ?09:22
apacheloggermarseillai: sounds like a good idea ;-)09:22
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LureRiddell: ok, need to talk with _Sime_ about displayconfig crash issue (seems to be related to multiscreen/xinerama which is quite common these days)09:23
apacheloggermarseillai: why isn't katchtv stored in bin?09:23
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marseillaiapachelogger: because it's pykde and every file must be in the same directory09:24
apacheloggermarseillai: ok, simlink seems to be the only soultion09:24
apacheloggeror you might want to hack a bit and change the code :P09:25
marseillaino no no09:25
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Riddellmarseillai: why is the executable in /usr/share ?09:28
Riddellmarseillai: is it a binary or a script?09:28
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Riddellmarseillai: symlink is fine, that's what kde-guidance does09:28
Riddellmarseillai: or create a 1 line shell script with echo which calls it09:29
marseillaiRiddell: oki i'm currently looking at calling dh_link in my rules file09:43
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marseillaiRiddell: but i would like to have more explication about this one line script what do you mean by "echo" ?09:45
Mezw00t I may have got kubuntu a mention in the wall street journal09:46
Riddellmarseillai: look at how kde-guidance does it09:46
RiddellMez: ooh?09:46
RiddellMez: how?09:46
MezRiddell, I had an interview with them about something i do, and I bought up a couple of references to kubuntu :D lol - :D09:47
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_StefanS_uhm, I kinda wondering what will be the killer feature(s) of kubuntu gutsy... is there anything planned, or are we just doing package updates?10:25
mhb_StefanS_: no killer on the horizon yet10:28
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mhb_StefanS_: perhaps it will be stability and ease of use :o)10:28
_StefanS_uhm ok, so I guess it going to be the polish that sets it apart10:28
mhb_StefanS_: is there a killer for Ubuntu Gutsy?10:29
_StefanS_no don't think so...10:30
_StefanS_donno how upstart is coming along10:30
_StefanS_coz thats definitely nice10:30
_StefanS_would be cool to see that bootsplash/usplash not flickering about when booting though10:31
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mhbis there somebody who monitors the Ubuntu features? Ubuntu FF had a lot of features Kubuntu FF had not, we'll be most likely including some of them in gutsy, but won't we fall one release behind again?10:33
Riddell_StefanS_: gdebi-kde will be the killer feature10:34
_StefanS_Riddell: gdebi-kde? uhm I dont think I heard about it :D10:34
Riddellit'll be killer.  but not literally10:34
_StefanS_uhm, ok frontend for local debs10:35
_StefanS_but to be honest I cant think of any killer stuff we need, except for maybe kde 4, but that pretty far out in the horizon10:36
_StefanS_Riddell: this is just funny... have you ever noticed that in gtk apps the buttons dont work if you click a button, and then leave the mouse over it as it changes, and click again :)10:38
_StefanS_Riddell: that bug has been around like forever..10:39
Riddell_StefanS_: I have noticed, and I'm surprised nobody has fixed it10:39
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_StefanS_Riddell: hehe, isn't that just funny ? :)10:40
_StefanS_Riddell: seems so obvious10:40
mhb_StefanS_: perhaps the killer feature will be a nice kdesu/do effect :o)10:40
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_StefanS_mhb: ah well, I actually working on it ;) - chances are that I good have time this week10:42
_StefanS_mhb: kdesudo is definitely cool though10:42
mhb_StefanS_: you know what would be killer? A nice Kubuntu website presenting the key Kubuntu features in a marketing-friendly way10:43
_StefanS_mhb: yep we definitely need some nice exposure, the ubuntu.com site is just cool. Maybe we could just do s/ubuntu/kubuntu/g on their stuff.10:44
mhb_StefanS_: with pictures, convincing text and so on10:44
_StefanS_mhb: yep, totally agree10:44
_StefanS_hmm I need a new cellphone10:45
_StefanS_Riddell: have you considered the liberation fonts for kubuntu ? I think they are just amazingly nice10:48
Riddellhavn't we got quite enough fonts already?10:51
_StefanS_well I was just thinking for default font..10:57
_StefanS_but nevermind.10:58
mhbthe default font is nice, when properly anti-aliased10:59
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ryanakcahmmm... is it just me, or are spammers getting smart (not that they will ever be, but you know what I mean), and making their spam look like launchpad email?11:22
mhbryanakca: not here, could you perhaps forward that spam to me? :o)11:23
mhbI'd like to see that.11:23
Tm_Tmhb: and from this day, every mail from ryanakca to you is considered as spam in your filters?11:32
mhbTm_T: no, my filters usually don't consider emails from people in my contacts as spam11:33
Tm_Twhy not11:33
mhbTm_T: gmail magic11:33
Tm_Tsounds stupid11:33
mhbTm_T: and ryanakca did not send the email11:34
ryanakcamhb: back, hehe12:15
ryanakcamhb: mhb at kubuntu?12:15
mhbryanakca: martin.bohm at kubu12:15

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